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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">وزیراعظم عمران خان کی ترکی کے صدر رجب طیب اردوان سے ملاقات۔<a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/RT_Erdogan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RT_Erdogan</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PMIKVisitsTurkey?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PMIKVisitsTurkey</a> <a href="https://t.co/opMgrhLRW9">pic.twitter.com/opMgrhLRW9</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1081150961173843971?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Turkey is a well trusted friend. Any further ways to strengthen our relationship is always welcome. Turks have always been very nice to me.
 
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Nawaz with all the help from his paid out cronies with fake degrees from Oxford and Harvard bought for Rs. 49.99 courtesy of Axact, would not have been able to articulate himself that well.
 
He addressed Ataturk as ghazi. I read somewhere that ghazi means "slayer of infidels", that is why Aurangzeb took the title. Does it mean something else? Wasn't Ataturk a secularist?

Imran has good handwriting though :)
 
Imran Khan paying tribute to a guy who 'westernised' his country. A man who changed the Arabic alphabet to Latin, banning of the hijab pushing his people to dress more 'western'. I could go on but I won't. I'm a Khan fan but nah I don't buy this
 
One thing is for certain, you can't fault the pti for not trying to bring investment into Pakistan from all sources. Every foreign trip under taken by ik is for good reason till now unlike the beghairat Zardari who was joy riding in Europe when there was a plane crash, flood in Pakistan in 2010 and had to be pressurized by the US to return back to Pakistan
 
He addressed Ataturk as ghazi. I read somewhere that ghazi means "slayer of infidels", that is why Aurangzeb took the title. Does it mean something else? Wasn't Ataturk a secularist?

Imran has good handwriting though :)

The term originally applied to soldiers who participated in the 'ghazwas' or military campaigns led by the prophet. Now it is used more generally as a title implying bravery. It does have religious connotations but does not necessarily apply to battles against 'infidels' only just like the term shaheed originally had a religious origin but is also used by non muslims nowadays. In Pakistan the statement 'jiay to ghazi maray to shaheed' is often used as a slogan in military circles meaning a muslim shouldn't fear battle because he will be a shaheed if he falls in battle or a ghazi if he returns alive. In this case I think IK used the term simply because the Turks use that title.

PS: IK has the most pappu bachcha handwriting ever. Must have gotten a lot of extra credit for neatness.
 
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He addressed Ataturk as ghazi. I read somewhere that ghazi means "slayer of infidels", that is why Aurangzeb took the title. Does it mean something else? Wasn't Ataturk a secularist?

Imran has good handwriting though :)

don't think that is good handwriting for a grown up. Each letter is separated and there is no continuity (except at a few places). No confidence in the writing style. o looks like urdu choti he and Z looks like mirrored urdu aen.
 
don't think that is good handwriting for a grown up. Each letter is separated and there is no continuity (except at a few places). No confidence in the writing style. o looks like urdu choti he and Z looks like mirrored urdu aen.

Agreed. Looks like a typical Govt school Hindi medium handwriting.
 
Agreed. Looks like a typical Govt school Hindi medium handwriting.

The term originally applied to soldiers who participated in the 'ghazwas' or military campaigns led by the prophet. Now it is used more generally as a title implying bravery. It does have religious connotations but does not necessarily apply to battles against 'infidels' only just like the term shaheed originally had a religious origin but is also used by non muslims nowadays. In Pakistan the statement 'jiay to ghazi maray to shaheed' is often used as a slogan in military circles meaning a muslim shouldn't fear battle because he will be a shaheed if he falls in battle or a ghazi if he returns alive. In this case I think IK used the term simply because the Turks use that title.

PS: IK has the most pappu bachcha handwriting ever. Must have gotten a lot of extra credit for neatness.

don't think that is good handwriting for a grown up. Each letter is separated and there is no continuity (except at a few places). No confidence in the writing style. o looks like urdu choti he and Z looks like mirrored urdu aen.

Most people these days don't have good handwriting and it doesn't really matter.
 
don't think that is good handwriting for a grown up. Each letter is separated and there is no continuity (except at a few places). No confidence in the writing style. o looks like urdu choti he and Z looks like mirrored urdu aen.

What I thought too, people must have really bad handwriting here if they think that is real good lol
 
He addressed Ataturk as ghazi. I read somewhere that ghazi means "slayer of infidels", that is why Aurangzeb took the title. Does it mean something else? Wasn't Ataturk a secularist?

Imran has good handwriting though :)

Ghazi means warrior in this day and age. As for Ataturk being a secularist, the Greeks and Armenians have a different opinion of him.
 
The term originally applied to soldiers who participated in the 'ghazwas' or military campaigns led by the prophet. Now it is used more generally as a title implying bravery. It does have religious connotations but does not necessarily apply to battles against 'infidels' only just like the term shaheed originally had a religious origin but is also used by non muslims nowadays. In Pakistan the statement 'jiay to ghazi maray to shaheed' is often used as a slogan in military circles meaning a muslim shouldn't fear battle because he will be a shaheed if he falls in battle or a ghazi if he returns alive. In this case I think IK used the term simply because the Turks use that title.

Ghazi means warrior in this day and age. As for Ataturk being a secularist, the Greeks and Armenians have a different opinion of him.

Thanks for the information.
 
You guys can't be serious, that is excellent handwriting especially considering that the skill deteriorates with age.
 
Hilarious. The truth is that most Pakistanis would never be able to cope with Ataturks secularising reforms and would consider him a great infidel and enemy of the faith if they were aware of some of the changes he bought.
 
President Erdogan to visit Pakistan along with Turkish investors: Qureshi

Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi on Friday said that Turkish President Reccep Tayyip Erdogan will bring many investors from his country during his visit to Pakistan, which he accepted during Prime Minister Imran Khan’s recent visit to Ankara.

Addressing a news conference in Islamabad, Qureshi said the two-day official visit to Turkey remained very successful, during which PM Imran had one-to-one and delegation level discussions with the Turkish leadership.

Foreign Minister Qureshi accompanied the premier in the Ankara visit.

He said President Erdogan had accepted PM Imran’s invitation to visit Pakistan and vowed to bring many potential investors from his country along with him. Qureshi said the one-to-one meeting between the two leaders, which was initially scheduled to last 30 minutes, lasted for two and a half hours.

The minister said that the Turkish president also expressed his pleasure over the Supreme Court of Pakistan’s decision of declaring Pak-Turk Education Foundation – a group backed by Fethullah Gulen – a banned outfit.

The apex court had ordered to hand over custody of all 28 Pak-Turk schools in Pakistan to the Turkiye Maarif Foundation (TMF) last month.

President Erdogan also said that transfer of Pak-Turk schools to the TMF is a great example of strong relationships between the two countries, said Qureshi, adding that the Turkish leader also thanked the people and government of Pakistan for that gesture.

The foreign minister said a high level cooperative council will also be established between the two countries. Foreign ministers of the two countries will meet in the midst of this year to work out the modalities of the council, he added.

Qureshi said a trilateral summit will also be held in Istanbul between Pakistan, Turkey and Afghanistan. Afghan President Ashraf Ghani has also responded positively to attend the summit, he added.

Meanwhile, in a tweet today, Foreign Minister Qureshi said Pakistan and Turkey are on the same page on all issues of strategic importance. He said leadership of both the countries will collectively transform their friendship into a more robust partnership.

Foreign Minister also expressed pleasure over his meeting with Turkish counterpart Mevlut Cavusoglu in Ankara.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/188220...sit-pakistan-along-turkish-investors-qureshi/
 
Hilarious. The truth is that most Pakistanis would never be able to cope with Ataturks secularising reforms and would consider him a great infidel and enemy of the faith if they were aware of some of the changes he bought.

Most Pakistanis are illiterate, that is the reason for it. Ataturk himself fought to modernise the Turkish nation because as a soldier he realised that fighting wars against the superpowers required more than prayers and duas. This brings to mind the Arab proverb, "put your trust in Allah but tie your camel first".

Paraphrased, basically it means wishes and prayers have to be backed by action, you can pray to defeat an enemy with a bow and arrow, but reality is, if he has a machine gun, you will lose.
 
Most Pakistanis are illiterate, that is the reason for it. Ataturk himself fought to modernise the Turkish nation because as a soldier he realised that fighting wars against the superpowers required more than prayers and duas. This brings to mind the Arab proverb, "put your trust in Allah but tie your camel first".

Paraphrased, basically it means wishes and prayers have to be backed by action, you can pray to defeat an enemy with a bow and arrow, but reality is, if he has a machine gun, you will lose.
Brilliant!
Saving it for future uses.
 
There’s a genuine pro PK sentiment among the Turkish masses (perhaps the only ones with Chinese) so the relationship will always transcend the purely political, even if until now it hasn’t been exploited as it should have been.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am delighted to congratulate friend of Pakistan Recep Tayyip Erdogan on another important victory in the Turkish local elections. The people of Pakistan wish him many more successes.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1112605300144721920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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The party of Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has lost control of the capital, Ankara, in local elections in what is being seen as a setback to his 16 years in power.

But both his AKP and the opposition claimed to have won the mayoralty of the largest city, Istanbul.

Nationally, the president's AKP-led alliance has won more than 51% of the vote in the municipal elections.

"If there are any shortcomings, it is our duty to correct them," he said.

Mr Erdogan had previously said the poll was about the "survival" of the country and his party.

The election came amid an economic downturn and was widely seen as a referendum on his leadership.

More than 57 million people in the country were registered to vote for mayors and councillors.

What are the results?
Turkish media said the secularist Republican People's Party (CHP) candidate Mansur Yavas had won a clear victory in Ankara.

However, both the CHP and Mr Erdogan's AKP - or Justice and Development Party - claimed victory by a slender margin in the contest for mayor of Istanbul, which has been governed by AKP.

CHP candidate Ekrem Imamoglu said he had won by nearly 28,000 votes while the AKP said its candidate, former Prime Minister Binali Yildirim, was ahead by 4,000 votes.

Both candidates reportedly received more than four million votes each.

The CHP also said it had held Izmir, Turkey's third largest city.

What has the reaction been?
"The people have voted in favour of democracy. They have chosen democracy," CHP leader Kemal Kilicdaroglu said.

Meanwhile, Mr Erdogan, speaking to supporters in Ankara, hinted that the AKP may have lost control of Istanbul.

"Even if our people gave away the mayoralty, they gave the districts to the AK Party," he said.

He vowed to focus his leadership on the Turkish economy ahead of national elections scheduled to take place in 2023.

Prominent journalist Rusen Cakir said the vote was "as historic as that of 1994", referring to the year Mr Erdogan was elected mayor of Istanbul.

"It is a declaration that a page that was opened 25 years ago is being turned," he said, according to Reuters.

'Agonising blow'
Analysis by Mark Lowen, BBC Turkey Correspondent

President Erdogan had painted this election as a matter of survival. He's now been dealt an agonising blow.

For the first time in a quarter of a century, his party has lost Turkey's capital Ankara.

And in the economic powerhouse of Istanbul, there's a hair's breadth between the governing AK Party and the opposition.

As the official tally showed fewer than 3,000 votes between them in this city of 18 million, both said they'd won.

But then the count stopped, with more than 1% of ballot boxes still unopened: a tactic, says the opposition, to steal victory.

This could be a watershed moment for Turkey's powerful, polarising president: when an opposition long seen as moribund finally feels he's beatable.

How was the campaign?
This was the first municipal vote since Mr Erdogan assumed sweeping executive powers through last year's presidential election.

The AKP have won every election since coming to power in 2002.

With most media either pro-government or controlled by Mr Erdogan's supporters, critics believe opposition parties campaigned at a disadvantage.

The opposition pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) said the elections were unfair and refused to put forward candidates in several cities.

Some of its leaders have been jailed on terrorism charges, accusations they reject.

Mr Erdogan's rallies have dominated TV coverage. At one on Saturday, the president sought to reassure voters and the party's usually conservative supporters that everything was under control.

"I am the boss of the economy right now as president of this country," he said, also blaming the West and particularly the US for its financial turbulence.

The president was criticised for repeatedly showing footage from the recent terrorism attack in New Zealand, in which a self-declared white supremacist live-streamed himself killing 50 people at two Christchurch mosques.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47764393
 
I like turkish people and we should make a top priority to strengthen our relationship with them. And that means having a better connection and understanding with the whole country and people than just over the top praise for Erdogan.
 
He addressed Ataturk as ghazi. I read somewhere that ghazi means "slayer of infidels", that is why Aurangzeb took the title. Does it mean something else? Wasn't Ataturk a secularist?

Imran has good handwriting though :)

"Ghazi" in Islamic concept is like in a sense opposite to "shaheed".

It's a title to refer to a person who went to the battlefield and was able to gain victory and return back home alive. So from the Muslim perspective when going to the battlefield his mindset is that either I will succeed and come back alive as a "Ghazi" or I will die as a "Shaheed" which is success too. With both things being desirable it becomes a win-win situation.

Now of course in a war on a battlfield people are killed and most certainly the people early Muslims were fighting against were non-Muslim. Still to give "Ghazi" the kind of meaning which you suggested would be insincere and the kind of media propaganda that leads to mistrust and "Islamophobia".
 
He addressed Ataturk as ghazi. I read somewhere that ghazi means "slayer of infidels", that is why Aurangzeb took the title. Does it mean something else? Wasn't Ataturk a secularist?

Imran has good handwriting though :)

One more thing.

To get a sense of how ridiculous the kind of definition of Ghazi you read about, consider my definition of the English word "martyr" along the same line.

"Martyr in English refers to a blood thrusty Christian crusader who would keep on slaughtering Muslims combats and non-combats alike and the only thing that could stop him from the slaughter is if a Muslim mujahid manages to kill him"
 
All over the world Turkish and Pakistani people have good relations. You see in the west as well.

In 2009 when I was in Izmir, Turkey as an exchange student the Turkish people were very interested in Pakistan.

Several times got good service only because of the Pakistani background.
 
Much respect and love to Turkey who has supported us whole heartedly and stood shoulder to shoulder with us in recent rough days. I hope to hear more good friendship and stronger ties with Turkey in future.

PS: Imran Khan has pretty good hand writing and it was nice to see his words in written by his own hand, it gives much more personal touch and makes his words more powerful and sincere. Twitter filters out this effect, so very nice to see.
 
All over the world Turkish and Pakistani people have good relations. You see in the west as well.

In 2009 when I was in Izmir, Turkey as an exchange student the Turkish people were very interested in Pakistan.

Several times got good service only because of the Pakistani background.

Wow that's great to hear, hope to visit Turkey on future Inshallah
 
"Ghazi" in Islamic concept is like in a sense opposite to "shaheed".

It's a title to refer to a person who went to the battlefield and was able to gain victory and return back home alive. So from the Muslim perspective when going to the battlefield his mindset is that either I will succeed and come back alive as a "Ghazi" or I will die as a "Shaheed" which is success too. With both things being desirable it becomes a win-win situation.

Now of course in a war on a battlfield people are killed and most certainly the people early Muslims were fighting against were non-Muslim. Still to give "Ghazi" the kind of meaning which you suggested would be insincere and the kind of media propaganda that leads to mistrust and "Islamophobia".

Thanks for the explanation.

I didn't mean to disrespect anyone. In school textbooks I remember this term in the chapter about Aurangzeb.
 
It would have been better if Imran Khan had just congratulated Turkey for holding new elections and wished them success. Showing support for a specific individual creates unnecessary opposition.
 
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