PoK is an integral part of India. Pakistan has illegally occupied it - Sushma Swaraj

[Hitman]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">POK is an integral part of India. Pakistan has illegally occupied it. We are giving him visa. No letter required. <a href="https://t.co/cErxQw7Cht">https://t.co/cErxQw7Cht</a></p>— Sushma Swaraj (@SushmaSwaraj) <a href="https://twitter.com/SushmaSwaraj/status/887168022443548672">18 July 2017</a></blockquote>
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[czar]

What she meant was since POK is integral part of India, people from POK shouldn't need Visa to visit India. The people from POK are as Indian as anyone else.

 

[Asim_khan]

Of course it is, that's why he required a visa. Makes total sense.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Of course it is, that's why he required a visa. Makes total sense.

Pakistanis are not being given visa.This hjy was.He doesnt have any Indian travel documents.He should apply for Indian documents he can then travel without visa.

 

[Waseem]

PoK is an integral part of India but 99% living there don't seem to accept it, i don't know why.

It's like "Main ghar baich tou don laikin ghar ka maalik nahi maan raha"

At the same time, Indian occupied Kashmir seems clearly a disputed zone with people chanting anti India slogans, fighting Indian Army, rejecting Indian occupation in masses. Sounds so integral, doesn't it?

 

[Asim_khan]

Pakistanis are not being given visa.This hjy was.He doesnt have any Indian travel documents.He should apply for Indian documents he can then travel without visa.

They should all apply for Indian travel documents, I'm sure the indian interior ministry as well security services will be thrilled.

 

[Finisher]

I don't see much movement against Pakistani military and governance in "pok".

 

[CricketCartoons]

I don't see much movement against Pakistani military and governance in "pok".

She is talking about the land, not its people.

 

[Asim_khan]

She is talking about the land, not its people.

And does the land not belong to the people who dwell upon it? Are descended from people who've lived on said land for upto 5000 years? Or do they not matter cos some woman managed to bring someone home from the middle east?

 

[Enigma_]

I see that the delusion continues in India.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Azad Kashmir is more Pakistani than Indian Kashmir is Indian. AJK considers itself 100% Pakistan and many have joined the armed forces in huge numbers especially around the Kotli side.

 

[Pakpak]

Azad Kashmir is more Pakistani than Indian Kashmir is Indian. AJK considers itself 100% Pakistan and many have joined the armed forces in huge numbers especially around the Kotli side.

Also majority of England's Pakistani population, if not overwhelmingly, are from Azad Kashmir, their adulation towards our country only needs to be seen at our cricket games. Never ever a single discontent at being Pakistani.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Also majority of England's Pakistani population, if not overwhelmingly, are from Azad Kashmir, their adulation towards our country only needs to be seen at our cricket games. Never ever a single discontent at being Pakistani.

Yeah, that epitomises the height of delusion in certain Indians who lay claim to Azad Kashmir. Funny thing is all Azad Kashmiris call themselves Azad. If IOK was given the choice even if all the Pandits returned, they'd still choose Pakistan. The real reason India wants to hold on to Kashmir is well known by most on here. They couldn't care less for the people. It wasn't alway so.

 

[PakLFC]

Iok is an integral part of Pakistan that India has illegally occupied say the residents of the valley. Doesn't matter what Sushma says at all. Saying that we live in Jupiter won't make it a fact.

 

[Romali_rotti]

If IOK was given the choice even if all the Pandits returned, they'd still choose Pakistan. .

Correct me if I am wrong, are you suggesting the Pandits if they returned to their rightful land would side with joining Pakistan ?

 

[Kianig89]

utter b@kwaas from Sushma she is living in a fool's paradise

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Correct me if I am wrong, are you suggesting the Pandits if they returned to their rightful land would side with joining Pakistan ?

I don't think you deserve a reply on this, but I'll bite.

The Pandits were a minority before they left. I'm not talking about the migration of Pandits over the centuries because that also included Muslim Pandits too. I'm referring to the 90s when the insurgency began after the rigged elections. Even if they all returned, their numbers would be insignificant in a referendum.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I don't think you deserve a reply on this, but I'll bite.

The Pandits were a minority before they left. I'm not talking about the migration of Pandits over the centuries because that also included Muslim Pandits too. I'm referring to the 90s when the insurgency began after the rigged elections. Even if they all returned, their numbers would be insignificant in a referendum.

Ok I will ask the question again with more detail:

Were you suggesting the Pandits that ran away from Kashmir and settled in other parts of India due to the atrocities that was done to them because they were not muslim, would join Pakistan if they came back to Kashmir and was given a choice ?

 

[www787]

Ok I will ask the question again with more detail:

Were you suggesting the Pandits that ran away from Kashmir and settled in other parts of India due to the atrocities that was done to them because they were not muslim, would join Pakistan if they came back to Kashmir and was given a choice ?

Okay! I ask again.

Would India prosecute Indian soldiers for raping female and killing innocent?

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Ok I will ask the question again with more detail:

Were you suggesting the Pandits that ran away from Kashmir and settled in other parts of India due to the atrocities that was done to them because they were not muslim, would join Pakistan if they came back to Kashmir and was given a choice ?

No, they'd want to join India. It's simple for those who know about Kashmiri politics from the 80s onwards why this is the case. These Kashmiri Hindus were seen to be favoured by the Indian government because of the religious divide and from that grew a distrust amongst the Muslim majority and the Pandit minority.

Majority of the people still don't know how it all happened with some believing that India whipped up communal tensions. The Kashmiri people especially the Pandits that remained have a very different account of the reasons and much lower figures of the killed and migrants, but this majority voice is being silenced by the government in favour of the minority that serves the purpose of the Indian government in painting the picture New Delhi wants to paint of IOK inhabitants

 

[Thomaskutty]

Also majority of England's Pakistani population, if not overwhelmingly, are from Azad Kashmir, their adulation towards our country only needs to be seen at our cricket games. Never ever a single discontent at being Pakistani.

India doesn't care about PoK anymore , it never has actually. Just draw the international boundary line along the LoC and let Pakistan get back to developing its economy and fighting domestic corruption. I am sure the majority of people in Pakistan would agree to this reality , right ?

 

[ShadabFakhar]

[MENTION=139319]Thomaskutty[/MENTION], whether India does or not within a parliamentary policy I don't know, what I do know is that it makes India's claim to IOK look weaker if they pursue this path.

I also don't get why India is allowing itself to head down this dangerous path of Hindutva ideology, India doesn't need it. If you have genuine economic growth and a forecast of growth, India doesn't need Modi to stir up needless tensions. In an ideal world, Pakistan would fight corruption both within the civilian government and the army and develop the economy under prolonged and undisturbed democratic rule and India needs to do it without the jingoism and a PM that doesn't stir or overlook communal tensions.

It can only be done by electing moderates on both sides. It's said often here by Corbyn's politicians that "we have far more in common in that which unites us than that which divides us". This couldn't be more relevant for India and Pakistan.