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Welcome to our new poster [MENTION=143541]KingOfPakBreakfast[/MENTION] and well done for this brilliant post to explain his pov on the appointment of Misbah and Waqar


http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...s-named-bowling-coach&p=10476955#post10476955

Hi,

My first post here, so thought I'd give an observation on Misbah and Waqar's appointments.

A lot of people are down on these appointments, but we should remember that very few people actually applied for the roles. The PCB had two choices, a) choose between the existing applicants or b) try and head hunt somebody who hadn't applied i.e. Mike Hesson/Tom Moody etc. b) would have been a no-goer, because if Hesson or Moody havent applied, then they are not interested in the job. Also these guys would be reluctant to spend considerable time in Pakistan, which is essential to the role. Thus, no point moaning about who didn't apply.

Which leads us to a), the people who DID apply. Clearly a lot of people on here suddenly feel that Dean Jones was a viable candidate. His main attraction was that he was NOT Misbah. How is that a feasible choice for a long term appointment? The guy would struggle especially with squad members who don't speak english etc.

As regards Misbah, yes he did have select off days as captain like on the last Australian tour ( as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] will repeatedly harp on about). However, there are elements to why I think this is potentially a very good appointment:

1) The guy was selected late in his career and made the most of his limited ability. this demonstrates a willingness to improve. Perhaps with the same attitude he will help improve some of the current squad, through the sheer example he set in his playing days

2) He has very recently been involved in domestic cricket and will know the good performers from the mediocre ones. He recently worked with Rashid Latif to choose the provincial squads, which even the negative people here on PP found to be largely acceptable. Thus, he has visibility of excellent domestic performers. Hopefully, the new system will mean that the TTFs will now face more potent attacks in first class cricket (because of the higher quality squads), not perform and then get weeded out, whilst the really good, mentally strong ones will emerge, and Misbah will have an eye on them as chief Selector

3) He was very recently in the captaincy position, so understands the pressures of the job. This is a vital quality to have and for a captain to rely on, when things are not going well. Let us not forget that Misbah showed tremendous fortitude and mental strength whilst being criticised by fans, ex-players and media from all sides. This experience and knowledge is something that a captain can rely on in difficult times. This, especially becomes important if we have a change of captain, with a new captain coming in for one of the formats

4) Despite the negativity around his tactics, it should be noted that he never had the fast bowling or batting resources to truly make the test team formidable. I am hopeful that, with the new structure, there will be better communication between the chief selector and the provincial head coaches, which means that we will see better 'test-ready' performers coming into the squad.

5) Lastly, it is his qualities as a man. I know that people will point towards the conflict of interest regarding Mickey's sacking. I can't disagree with this. However media reports today have suggested that it was actually the PCB who sought Misbah for the role. Allah knows if there was malice from Misbah, but I'd rather give him the benefit of the the doubt. This is a guy, who after the spot fixing scandal represented Pakistan as a statesman. He's a mentally strong guy who made the most of his limited abilities and he commands respect in the dressing room. This will help everybody to pull in the same direction, something which hasn't always happened in Pakistan cricket

Please note that I am absolutely not a Misbah loyalist, but think that his abilities as a player should not reflect his prospective abilities as a coach. Trevor Bayliss was not some sure thing when Sri Lanka made hime coach in 2007. Thus, as fans of Pakistan Cricket let's back this appointment and inshAllah it will be a great success!
 
Wonderful post.Gives me a quite a bit of hope too.

Sidenote:your user name is pretty unique and eccentric.
 
Hopefully you can post similar content in the future too.

Good job👍
 
So a guy who has never coached a international team will become instantly a good coach. Interesting read.
 
So a guy who has never coached a international team will become instantly a good coach. Interesting read.
Hi,

Thanks to everybody else for the feedback including [MENTION=150451]Shazzam[/MENTION] above.

The point I'm trying to make is that Misbah has the ingredients to make a good coach for Pakistan cricket and it's many specific requirements (I.e. team still can't fully play at home, flawed prior domestic structure making talent identification difficult, a lack of captaincy options with thinking tactical candidates etc.)

He won't be an instant success, but will have teething problems like all new coaches do. Hate to make this comparison, as it's a separate sport and the comparison is absolutely NOT a direct one I'm trying to make) but guys like Pep Guardiola, Diego Simeone and Gareth Southgate had a learning curve before they had their accomplishments (at Barcelona B, Genoa and Middlesbrough/England U21s respectively). However, they had the raw materials that made chairman of these clubs believe in them.

Ideally, Pakistan would have employed the best candidate for the role. Unfortunately the PCB, due to its funding issues and Pakistan's security issues is not in a position to go get such candidates. The days of employing a Bob Woolmer candidate are long gone and Mickey Arthur only applied himself as he was trying to rebuild his reputation at the time

Let's also not forget that it takes a bit of courage to take on all the responsibility Misbah has and indeed Allah favours the brave. Cynics may say it's financially motivated but he's put his reputation on the line here. Will be interesting to see where we go as a team.

Misbah's success, like anyone other candidate's will depend on captaincy, player performance and Allah's help.

So instead of moaning about how terrible he will be, let's hope for an upturn in fortunes and back the man. I'm not a Misbah ****** per se, but will back him because I want to InshAllah see Pakistan consistently successful again.

Thanks
 
Hi,

Thanks to everybody else for the feedback including [MENTION=150451]Shazzam[/MENTION] above.

The point I'm trying to make is that Misbah has the ingredients to make a good coach for Pakistan cricket and it's many specific requirements (I.e. team still can't fully play at home, flawed prior domestic structure making talent identification difficult, a lack of captaincy options with thinking tactical candidates etc.)

He won't be an instant success, but will have teething problems like all new coaches do. Hate to make this comparison, as it's a separate sport and the comparison is absolutely NOT a direct one I'm trying to make) but guys like Pep Guardiola, Diego Simeone and Gareth Southgate had a learning curve before they had their accomplishments (at Barcelona B, Genoa and Middlesbrough/England U21s respectively). However, they had the raw materials that made chairman of these clubs believe in them.

Ideally, Pakistan would have employed the best candidate for the role. Unfortunately the PCB, due to its funding issues and Pakistan's security issues is not in a position to go get such candidates. The days of employing a Bob Woolmer candidate are long gone and Mickey Arthur only applied himself as he was trying to rebuild his reputation at the time

Let's also not forget that it takes a bit of courage to take on all the responsibility Misbah has and indeed Allah favours the brave. Cynics may say it's financially motivated but he's put his reputation on the line here. Will be interesting to see where we go as a team.

Misbah's success, like anyone other candidate's will depend on captaincy, player performance and Allah's help.

So instead of moaning about how terrible he will be, let's hope for an upturn in fortunes and back the man. I'm not a Misbah ****** per se, but will back him because I want to InshAllah see Pakistan consistently successful again.

Thanks

Good post and congratulations

You must post more.
 
Hi,

Thanks to everybody else for the feedback including [MENTION=150451]Shazzam[/MENTION] above.

The point I'm trying to make is that Misbah has the ingredients to make a good coach for Pakistan cricket and it's many specific requirements (I.e. team still can't fully play at home, flawed prior domestic structure making talent identification difficult, a lack of captaincy options with thinking tactical candidates etc.)

He won't be an instant success, but will have teething problems like all new coaches do. Hate to make this comparison, as it's a separate sport and the comparison is absolutely NOT a direct one I'm trying to make) but guys like Pep Guardiola, Diego Simeone and Gareth Southgate had a learning curve before they had their accomplishments (at Barcelona B, Genoa and Middlesbrough/England U21s respectively). However, they had the raw materials that made chairman of these clubs believe in them.

Ideally, Pakistan would have employed the best candidate for the role. Unfortunately the PCB, due to its funding issues and Pakistan's security issues is not in a position to go get such candidates. The days of employing a Bob Woolmer candidate are long gone and Mickey Arthur only applied himself as he was trying to rebuild his reputation at the time

Let's also not forget that it takes a bit of courage to take on all the responsibility Misbah has and indeed Allah favours the brave. Cynics may say it's financially motivated but he's put his reputation on the line here. Will be interesting to see where we go as a team.

Misbah's success, like anyone other candidate's will depend on captaincy, player performance and Allah's help.

So instead of moaning about how terrible he will be, let's hope for an upturn in fortunes and back the man. I'm not a Misbah ****** per se, but will back him because I want to InshAllah see Pakistan consistently successful again.

Thanks

First off this was a very nice reply. I like the way you post and should continue to. With that said one can have the ingredients and ability but not the execution of a experienced campaigner. Trying out this experiment in the international stage is a brave move. It can be pulled off very well or fail miserably. Before PCB tried this act I would have liked for them to test out Misbah in a domestic head coach role. To give him proper time before the big stage to show what he has to offer. Now that he is our head coach you have put raw fish in the sea hoping it would bring you good fortune. By all logical means this is not gonna look so good when the team fails. People will look back at this moment remembering why this certain individual was selected.

In your previous comment you said the team has English issues. So the team won’t be able to understand a foreign coach. Before Misbah we had Mickey Arthur head coach, and Grant Flower as batting coach, we still won the champions trophy in 2017 with these people. I wanna ask you where was the english problem than? When it comes to players english problem there are plenty ways of managing it. 1.) By having a player whose fluent in English speaking for the player to the coach. 2.) By having someone in the management speaking for the players to the coach. Or having the players them selfs say few words to allow the coach to understand what the issue is. 3.) Its possible the players understand the english they are just not fluent in english to respond.

I could go on and on about your other points. But the gist of it is I get where you are coming from. I just think its one thing to be optimistic and hopeful, another to be realistic. I am not saying we should throw in the towel every time we watch our team. I just think we need to keep our expectations low and realize there may be an error of judgement by PCB. This was always going to be a hit or miss decision. As a Pakistani you would hope its a hit. But I don’t know man knowing the history of the player involved its so easy to not be as hopeful.
 
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Hi,

Thanks to everybody else for the feedback including [MENTION=150451]Shazzam[/MENTION] above.

The point I'm trying to make is that Misbah has the ingredients to make a good coach for Pakistan cricket and it's many specific requirements (I.e. team still can't fully play at home, flawed prior domestic structure making talent identification difficult, a lack of captaincy options with thinking tactical candidates etc.)

He won't be an instant success, but will have teething problems like all new coaches do. Hate to make this comparison, as it's a separate sport and the comparison is absolutely NOT a direct one I'm trying to make) but guys like Pep Guardiola, Diego Simeone and Gareth Southgate had a learning curve before they had their accomplishments (at Barcelona B, Genoa and Middlesbrough/England U21s respectively). However, they had the raw materials that made chairman of these clubs believe in them.

Ideally, Pakistan would have employed the best candidate for the role. Unfortunately the PCB, due to its funding issues and Pakistan's security issues is not in a position to go get such candidates. The days of employing a Bob Woolmer candidate are long gone and Mickey Arthur only applied himself as he was trying to rebuild his reputation at the time

Let's also not forget that it takes a bit of courage to take on all the responsibility Misbah has and indeed Allah favours the brave. Cynics may say it's financially motivated but he's put his reputation on the line here. Will be interesting to see where we go as a team.

Misbah's success, like anyone other candidate's will depend on captaincy, player performance and Allah's help.

So instead of moaning about how terrible he will be, let's hope for an upturn in fortunes and back the man. I'm not a Misbah ****** per se, but will back him because I want to InshAllah see Pakistan consistently successful again.

Thanks

good post.

People are just angry because its Misbah.

Rickey Ponting had no experience when he joined as a batting coach for Sri Lanka.
Mike Hesson never even played at first class level.

Misbah was after all the ex captain of this team.
Trust me, if they had the option of hiring Imran Khan as the coach they would take him and not criticize the coaching experience clause.

People just look for excuses to critisize.

You put it rightly that he has the ingredients, and why not take advantage of that.
 
First off this was a very nice reply. I like the way you post and should continue to. With that said one can have the ingredients and ability but not the execution of a experienced campaigner. Trying out this experiment in the international stage is a brave move. It can be pulled off very well or fail miserably. Before PCB tried this act I would have liked for them to test out Misbah in a domestic head coach role. To give him proper time before the big stage to show what he has to offer. Now that he is our head coach you have put raw fish in the sea hoping it would bring you good fortune. By all logical means this is not gonna look so good when the team fails. People will look back at this moment remembering why this certain individual was selected.

In your previous comment you said the team has English issues. So the team won’t be able to understand a foreign coach. Before Misbah we had Mickey Arthur head coach, and Grant Flower as batting coach, we still won the champions trophy in 2017 with these people. I wanna ask you where was the english problem than? When it comes to players english problem there are plenty ways of managing it. 1.) By having a player whose fluent in English speaking for the player to the coach. 2.) By having someone in the management speaking for the players to the coach. Or having the players them selfs say few words to allow the coach to understand what the issue is. 3.) Its possible the players understand the english they are just not fluent in english to respond.

I could go on and on about your other points. But the gist of it is I get where you are coming from. I just think its one thing to be optimistic and hopeful, another to be realistic. I am not saying we should throw in the towel every time we watch our team. I just think we need to keep our expectations low and realize there may be an error of judgement by PCB. This was always going to be a hit or miss decision. As a Pakistani you would hope its a hit. But I don’t know man knowing the history of the player involved its so easy to not be as hopeful.

bro, Misbah has acted as a mentor for SNGPL for the last 10 years. He has been a mentor for his Islamabad United team and Faisalabad Team aswell.

Misbah was a different kind of captain in domestic cricket. He was not the senior who just showed up at a match got the captainy, than left.
He took part in the development of the team. He would scout players for his SNGPL team management.
Thing is you guys haven't followed SNGPL progress over the years and yet comment on how MIsbah doesnt have experience of coaching while i have followed how he has worked with SNGPL.

In the early 2000s he joined SNGPL as a player only and after a couple of years he was scouting them players.
 
bro, Misbah has acted as a mentor for SNGPL for the last 10 years. He has been a mentor for his Islamabad United team and Faisalabad Team aswell.

Misbah was a different kind of captain in domestic cricket. He was not the senior who just showed up at a match got the captainy, than left.
He took part in the development of the team. He would scout players for his SNGPL team management.
Thing is you guys haven't followed SNGPL progress over the years and yet comment on how MIsbah doesnt have experience of coaching while i have followed how he has worked with SNGPL.

In the early 2000s he joined SNGPL as a player only and after a couple of years he was scouting them players.

I looked him up no way has he been a mentor of SNGPL. He has captained them yes but not mentored them.

Misbah is a level 2 coach. He does not have experience in coaching international players. He will get that now as a coach and as a chief selector. In a big pressure position. Every wall has a breaking point so don’t expect this to be a fairy tale ride for your hero.
 
I looked him up no way has he been a mentor of SNGPL. He has captained them yes but not mentored them.

Misbah is a level 2 coach. He does not have experience in coaching international players. He will get that now as a coach and as a chief selector. In a big pressure position. Every wall has a breaking point so don’t expect this to be a fairy tale ride for your hero.

:facepalm:

again your just not understanding the point.

by googling the words misbah mentor SNGPL your not goona find anything.

you need to follow SNGPLs progress over the years, how has been a leader for them.

You again not understanding the difference between a captain for a match and a leader of a team who keeps interest in the teams scouting and progress of its players.

He didnt have the official title of mentor, but he acted like one over the years. He has built the SNGPL from scratch.

But i know your not gonna understand this, you keep on talking about his captiancy on field but not understand the concept of leadership in the whole department set up
 
Good post, but I have major arguments to make!

Firstly, recent playing experience is a negative, not a positive. He is too close to Azhar, Shafiq, Sarfraz and Yasir to dispose of them.

Secondly, the Conflict of Interest in having been part of the committee which sacked Arthur should have made Misbah ineligible for consideration.

Thirdly, Misbah had a world class attack between the skill of Amir, the pace of Wahab and the spin of Yasir Shah. But he chose to have one quick too few outside Asia and to use Asian fields for Yasir outside Asia. He also chose not to request Mohammad Asif for the 9 Tests in Australia, England and New Zealand.

So if there was a problem with Misbah’s attack it was self-inflicted.
 
:facepalm:

again your just not understanding the point.

by googling the words misbah mentor SNGPL your not goona find anything.

you need to follow SNGPLs progress over the years, how has been a leader for them.

You again not understanding the difference between a captain for a match and a leader of a team who keeps interest in the teams scouting and progress of its players.

He didnt have the official title of mentor, but he acted like one over the years. He has built the SNGPL from scratch.

But i know your not gonna understand this, you keep on talking about his captiancy on field but not understand the concept of leadership in the whole department set up

So first you claim he is a mentor than admit he was not a mentor. When I searched up information on him apparently I won’t find anything? You do know when you make bold statements like these you need to be able to back it up. Misbah may have been loyal to his team and helped them scout for talent but what does any of that have to do with coaching a international team? We know Misbah is not new to leadership. However being a good leader is not enough to be considered a good coach. Otherwise Imran Khan would have tried coaching.
 
So first you claim he is a mentor than admit he was not a mentor. When I searched up information on him apparently I won’t find anything? You do know when you make bold statements like these you need to be able to back it up. Misbah may have been loyal to his team and helped them scout for talent but what does any of that have to do with coaching a international team? We know Misbah is not new to leadership. However being a good leader is not enough to be considered a good coach. Otherwise Imran Khan would have tried coaching.

Bro re read what i wrote.

Misbah acted as mentor while a captain for his team

No he didnt have the official job title of it but yet he acted out as one.
 
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