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Brilliant post from one of our most respected posters as he dissects the whole issue about fan perception and reality when it comes to Pakistan.

Congratulations to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] for winning the POTW

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...erception-and-visuals&p=11647202#post11647202


Mamoon said:
This is the half truth only. It would be accurate if cricket was played on a piece of paper, but things are different in actual match scenarios.

Boundaries demoralize bowlers and fielders. It puts bowlers off their lengths, puts pressure on the fielders and more importantly, it forces the captain to change things.

Bowler A goes for 12 runs in an over by conceding 2 runs on every ball. Bowler B goes for 12 runs by conceded two 100m sixes.

If there is a confidence meter, it will be green for Bowler A and red for Bowler B. The captain is more likely to keep Bowler A in the attack.

When Kohli destroyed Rauf with those 2 sixes and changed the equation from 28 in 8 to 16 in 6, it sent Pakistan into panic mode.

On paper, Pakistan was still ahead, but in the middle, it was Pakistan that was on the back-foot and all the momentum was with India.

What transpired in the last over had a lot to do with those 2 sixes. Babar asked Nawaz to bowl medium pace because he was afraid that Kohli and Pandya were going to finish the game off with 3 sixes.

The consequence was that Nawaz ended up bowling two beamers and a wide.

Now imagine a scenario where India would have played less dots in the middle-overs and got more 2s and 3s and the equation was 28 required in 12 balls.

Rauf was able to nail his yorkers and Kohli and Pandya fail to hit boundaries but were able to run 2 on each ball.

The equation would still be the same before the final over: 16 required.

But now, everything is different for Pakistan. The momentum is still with Pakistan. Babar is unlikely to go into panic mode and ask Nawaz to bowl medium, he probably doesn’t bowl two beamers and a wide, and Pakistan probably wins by 4-5 runs.

The way Babar and Rizwan bat, they don’t put any pressure on the bowlers, fielders and captain. He doesn’t need to tinker with his bowling changes and he doesn’t need to change the field because Babar and Rizwan do not force him to think outside the box.

They can bat 10 overs but nothing has changed for the opposition. They don’t have any momentum and the opposition knows that they will not be able to tee off.

If Rohit Sharma bats slowly, he still carries a fear factor because he can explode but Babar and Rizwan don’t carry that fear factor.

The opposition knows that when they get out, the middle-order will arrive with no momentum behind their backs, they will have to start from scratch. They may or may not fire.

Against South Africa, in spite of the low PP score thanks to Babar and the fact that Pakistan had lost 4 wickets, the way Haris played ruffled South Africa’s feathers.

Pakistan had more momentum than they would have with Babar and Rizwan batting and achieving the same score by nudging the ball around.

The high intensity cricket that Haris played made South Africa uncomfortable, and Iftikhar and Shadab were able to carry that momentum forward.

Haris first three balls against Rabada - the 6, 6, 4 - laid the marker and sent a message to South Africa that Pakistan have come out swinging today. That is the brand of T20 cricket that we want to see and that is how this format needs to be played.

Other teams are not stupid. If the Babar and Rizwan template was the way to go other teams would have adopted this approach.

These two have doing this for 2 years and have 50+ averages but other sides are not adopting this strategy. If it worked, England would open with Root, New Zealand would open with Williamson and Australia would open with Smith.

All of them are better and more accomplished batsmen than Babar and Rizwan and they can score 50 in 40 balls day in day out. Babar and Rizwan have the easiest job in the format, but this is not the way how it is supposed to be played.

This drama has come to an end. Pakistan needs to do what other teams are doing and pick two attack-minded openers, but nothing will change because of the three egos: Babar, Rizwan and M. Wasim.
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It was a good post and every member was saying that this post deserves potw.

Congrats mamoon, love your analysis. I do disagree though
 
Thoroughly agree with Mamoon on this. Quality post when he posts on Cricket and not with an anti Pakistan lens.
 
This is his 11th POTW. There's a reason why he is the best poster on PP by a long, long way.

Congrats, bro!
 
Great post. The saying continues,

"All hail Mamoon"! :inti
 
Quality post. Although don't agree with Rizwan and Babar having 'the easiest job in the format' tag, as opening in Australia hasn't been easy for any team.
 
Ab Fan said:
Great post. The saying continues,

"All hail Mamoon"! :inti
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I still remember his prophecy after we lost out first Test in our last tour to Australia. I mean that 36 All Out. Not even the most pessimistic Indian fan would have predicted what he did. And it came true.
 
Smart analysis from someone who has different perspective!
With this mindset is how T20IS should be played!
Great post from Mamoon!.
 
Posters like Mamoon is the reason why this forum remains of interest with scope for healthy discussions and debates. Make no mistake, all of us including Mamoon have biases, but only few including Mammon has the ability to override that consciously and dissect a topic dispassionately. Most importantly very few have the courage and integrity to accept when they are wrong. That's were Mamoon stands out. It's a pleasure to read his comments in this forum.
 
Top post covering the mindset involved not going into just a match but, even the smaller situations which can make a huge difference. Surely the two overs before Nawaz was given the last over with the command and boundary hitting ability shown by Kohli created the nerves around and at the end Nawaz faltered.
 
Very good post and congrats. Deep dive into momentum and authority is important across all sports especially in cricket and this post explores that very well.
 
Good post, well said.

The longer they stay in the better considering they both lack acceleration. I believe they are able to show more intent early on but play it safe which doesn’t help Pakistan cause.
 
Mamoon is everyone's favourite poster. He does not sugarcoat anything and tells an orange as an orange. I personally love reading his posts as they are accurate and drawn from reality.
 
Great Post!
This subject matter does work both ways though. I will insist about yesterday that being 56-0 after 10 was much better than trying to go a bit harder on a tough pitch and being 72-3.
At 72-3 Bangladesh would have felt they are right in the game and a couple of wickets away and pakistan would have been in the mode where they felt they really couldnt lose another wicket, so probably played out a few lower scoring overs anyhow from 10-14.
Needing 72 off 10 with 10 wickets in hand it really couldn't go wrong, as we had 11 players all available for the 10 overs to take risks and they wouldn't all have failed in that small a window chasing that level of score.
Good tactics yesterday
 
Congrats @Mamoom. Should rather write posts like this one instead of those short ones just trying to attack the ego/nafs of posters :)
 
It is amazing how good Mamoon is at what he does. To the point I know what he is going to say before he says it. No both-siding on any issue.

For example, I am sure if Babar and Rizwan were Indian openers, Mamoon would have justified their approach in the opposite way with equally sound logic. He is that good.

You need extremes on any forum to bring out the best in others. Mamoon has this job and so do some others on the other side. People who tell both sides of the story are just not as interesting.

Always worth reading what he writes.
 
Congratulations Dr [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] . Thanks to the moderator and administrative team here . They are as always doing a wonderful job by picking up the right choices for POTW.
 
Many Congratulations.

Top post from the foremost PP personality.
 
I always enjoy Mamoon's post and disagree many times as he has often been wrong about many of Pakistani players, yet his posts are meaningful and he backs his views well. However, I do not see anything new in this post and this analysis has been discussed plenty of time before by many. We all know there needs to be atleast one hatd hitting opener at the top to disrupt bowlers line and lenghth,and also give Pakistan inning momentum. I would stil have one anchor type opener be it Rizwan or Shan Masood so Paksitan do not lose both openers quickly and add pressure to our fragile and inexperienced middle order.
 
Congratulations to Mamoon, very good and sensible post and that's how momentum and confidence works in cricket.

I have a slightly different view as well, Nawaz actually got Pandya off the very first ball, that is a momentum shift, Ind then needed 16 off 5, the next two balls produced only 3 runs, the equation became 13 off 3, still Pakistan did not look confident. I think the very fact that Nawaz was bowling the last over had put Pakistan in a panic state.

For example, even after Virat had hit those 2 sixes and let us say M Wasim was bowling that last over, then Pakistan probably wouldn't have got into such a panic state. Just my view though.
 
Fully merited ! There's been lots of analysis on the Babar-Rizwan partnership and this is one of the best ones.
 
Superb post. Richly deserved [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

The fact that exposes the flaws and shortfalls in actually shows he wants the best for Pakistan cricket.
 
The main thing was Pak missing a 4th pacer. The Indians at the crease knew there was 1 over of spin to come and they backed their batting to even score 20 plus against that 1 single over of spin. The mistake was to wait till the very last over, should have bowled Nawaz or Iftikhar earlier. It was just very poor planning / tactic from Pakistan to bench M wasim on a wicket like that after his performance vs NZ.

Momentum is so overrated. in T20 a singe delivery changes the whole game.
 
Great post. If possible [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] can you post a thread about what you'd do (pragmatic approach with no assumptions and zero idealism) if you were made the chairman of PCB? How would you make sure our domestics and internationals are at par with other top teams given the meager resources?
 
A brilliant analysis.

Like him or hate him, his posts are what everyone wants to see on this forum, because they are extreme leftist opinions which make you sometimes question his intentions and motives.

But more than that, his writing style is what wins him the awards.

Every thought is clear and concise, is based on continuation of the previous thoughts and each assumption is a logical assumption from the preceding text.

There are many good writers on Pakpassion but sometimes there is a jumble of words and thoughts, and it is obvious when you are reading that something is tedious to the eye. Cohesion and continuity of ideas is what wins the person over. That is a called a "personal style".

You can read [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]'s posts day in and day out because every one of his post has an important point articulated in a brilliant manner.

Deserving POTW and he will keep winning more.
 
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pakistani pride said:
The main thing was Pak missing a 4th pacer. The Indians at the crease knew there was 1 over of spin to come and they backed their batting to even score 20 plus against that 1 single over of spin. The mistake was to wait till the very last over, should have bowled Nawaz or Iftikhar earlier. It was just very poor planning / tactic from Pakistan to bench M wasim on a wicket like that after his performance vs NZ.

Momentum is so overrated. in T20 a singe delivery changes the whole game.
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In a nutshell.
Big blunders were not having 4th pacer instead of worthless Asif Ali, and not using Iftikhar to cover Nawaz over much after Nawaz had an expensive over earlier.
 
Very good post [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. And congratulations on POTW. Based on his high-quality posts in this forum, this was not unexpected.
 
pakistani pride said:
The mistake was to wait till the very last over, should have bowled Nawaz or Iftikhar earlier.
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I think I'm the only one here who thought Babar got it spot on in delaying Nawaz till the last over. Why blame the captain for the bowler conceding all those fatal wides and no-balls ? Poor execution, not poor strategy.
 
RexRex said:
I think I'm the only one here who thought Babar got it spot on in delaying Nawaz till the last over. Why blame the captain for the bowler conceding all those fatal wides and no-balls ? Poor execution, not poor strategy.
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You just don't bowl a spinner on a pitch like that in the 20th over. Team selection was a big blunder. I mean on Aus wickets and on that MCG pitch 4 pacers was the way to go.
 
pakistani pride said:
You just don't bowl a spinner on a pitch like that in the 20th over. .
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Think with your head, not heart. If Rauf hadn't given away those two sixes, Nawaz would have about 24 runs to defend in the last over - very do-able.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
A brilliant analysis.

Like him or hate him, his posts are what everyone wants to see on this forum, because they are extreme leftist opinions which make you sometimes question his intentions and motives.

But more than that, his writing style is what wins him the awards.

Every thought is clear and concise, is based on continuation of the previous thoughts and each assumption is a logical assumption from the preceding text.

There are many good writers on Pakpassion but sometimes there is a jumble of words and thoughts, and it is obvious when you are reading that something is tedious to the eye. Cohesion and continuity of ideas is what wins the person over. That is a called a "personal style".

You can read [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]'s posts day in and day out because every one of his post has an important point articulated in a brilliant manner.

Deserving POTW and he will keep winning more.
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Yes. He knows what to say and how to say it. Even though I disagree with him more than I agree with him these days, this was a top post, and have to agree with this one in its entirety. Well done.
 
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I think I'm the only one here who thought Babar got it spot on in delaying Nawaz till the last over. Why blame the captain for the bowler conceding all those fatal wides and no-balls ? Poor execution, not poor strategy.
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I agree that he should've been bowled last but asking him to bowl that medium pace, instead of sticking to his guns, was criminal.

When he did stick to his funs, he got the wicket of DK. But he was bowling medium pace beamers at Pandya and VK which was the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Babar Azam is a young captain but that was the poorest captaincy I have seen in my entire life of having watched and played cricket.

15+ is a LOT to defend but they panicked like they were defending 6 runs.
 
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] have been saying about Selfish hack Rizwan for 2 years now.
Now everyone has to agree with him including me.:))
 
pakistani pride said:
You just don't bowl a spinner on a pitch like that in the 20th over. Team selection was a big blunder. I mean on Aus wickets and on that MCG pitch 4 pacers was the way to go.
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Did you see what happened when Ashwin bowled 18th over vs SA.. Same would have happened Nawaz as well if he bowled 18th over.. 3 over 48 would have become 2 over 28 easily, with momentum on indian side.. idea was good, it's just their fast bowler didn't get any wicket that phase..
 
What top teams do is that when the batsman hits a 4,6 they then take a single of the next ball, they try to minimize dot balls. This puts the opposition bowlers and captains under even more severe pressure because they can't predict what the batsman is going to do, what shot is he going to play, what gap he is going to target and the scoreboard is effortlessly going forward. Ben Duckett was a nightmare for the Pakistani bowlers and he nuetralized our spinners in the middle overs.

Pakistan is very weak on strike rotation, batsmen hit a six but then play 2-3 consecutive dots Misbah style. That puts no real pressure on the opposition and in fact gives them confidence that a chance, wicket is on the way because the batsman is one-dimensional.
 
Usual lame criticism of Pakistan.

Pakistan controlled the game against India for 70%+ of the match. The latter overs cost Pakistan, a simple tactical error. To suggest India is far superiour shows a poor basic understanding not only of cricket but of T20 cricket which is a different type of cricket all together.
 
Well put [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].

Just a slightly different point of view regarding Babar and Rizwan. When Babar and Rizwan are required to chase more than 160 runs, they are the best in the business at it in the cricketing world. The reason why they are is that they have clarity of thought. They know they can't play at 5 RPO and catch up later. They play according to the run-rate and have finished off matches together. When there is a middling target of 130ish, they don't attack as they should and think that if they stay til the end, they will achieve the score. This invites unnecessary pressure as it did against Bangladesh which is exacerbated if wickets fall in a cluster.

The bigger problem arises when they bat first. This approach of batting through the innings actually inhibits the scoring rate. So they must work on that.

Also the reason why England, Australia don't employ Root, Smith as the opener is because of the resources at their disposal. When they have hard hitters from 1-8 who are consistent in their scoring, they don't need an anchor. Rizwan and Babar don't have that level of competition for them in the Pakistan team. I know Mohammad Haris has emerged as a striker in these last two games, but if you go by history, he could probably be just another Haider Ali. However, if he were to score 30 off 17 seven times out of 10 in the Powerplay, I would have him as the opener in a heartbeat. I have no qualms in having him as the opener and giving him 20 odd games to prove himself, but history isn't in Pakistan's favor. Every new boy has been found out at the international level.
 
shariqnoor said:
Just a slightly different point of view regarding Babar and Rizwan. When Babar and Rizwan are required to chase more than 160 runs, they are the best in the business at it in the cricketing world. The reason why they are is that they have clarity

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Yeah we all saw that clarity of thought when they chased down 170 against SL in final of Asia cup, 200 against England in the final of the series and 166 against NZ in the tri series.

Mate who are you trying to fool here?
 
Rana said:
Yeah we all saw that clarity of thought when they chased down 170 against SL in final of Asia cup, 200 against England in the final of the series and 166 against NZ in the tri series.

Mate who are you trying to fool here?
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The way they took us to a historic 152/0 vs India in a World Cup.
 
MenInG said:
The way they took us to a historic 152/0 vs India in a World Cup.
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Yeah ok we got that. It happened over a year ago. Even I would have chased 152 with the help of Babar and co in Dubai after winning the toss
 
Rana said:
Yeah ok we got that. It happened over a year ago. Even I would have chased 152 with the help of Babar and co in Dubai after winning the toss
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No - at that time this was the first time we had beaten India in years. It was HUGE deal for which we should continue to thank Babar and Rizwan instead of badmouthing them at every occasion.
 
Rana said:
Yeah we all saw that clarity of thought when they chased down 170 against SL in final of Asia cup, 200 against England in the final of the series and 166 against NZ in the tri series.

Mate who are you trying to fool here?
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Dude, Babar got out in the 3rd over if I remember correctly in the Asia Cup final and in the 4th or 5th over against NZ. So first do your research before commenting unnecessarily.
 
MenInG said:
Brilliant post from one of our most respected posters as he dissects the whole issue about fan perception and reality when it comes to Pakistan.

Congratulations to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] for winning the POTW

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...erception-and-visuals&p=11647202#post11647202
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Good post. I enjoy Mamoon’s posts sometimes as he has a good backbone but can take the opinion too extreme. The penchant for conspiracy theories doesn't help.
India is a great team but it’s not like everything they do is perfect and everything Pak does is wrong. Case in Point being Shadab and Rauf both of whom have shown their talent.

Don’t agree completely with the analysis. There’s more than one way to ruffle the feathers and you seem to elevate 6 hitting.
To use an extreme example, if a batter hits 4 4s in an over? Does that not create panic?
Ultimately, it’s called “scoreboard” pressure for a reason right not “6 hitting” pressure. If batsmen are looking set, rotating strike, hitting boundaries, it creates panic. Greats like Sehwag, Sachin, Ponting, Sangakara all created pressure by playing the field.
Even if you look at the success of SKy, it stems from his ability to play the field. He himself said that in the press conference yesterday. SKY does a lot of sixes but what sets him apart from say a Andre Russel is his ability place the ball in gaps.

Also, factual gaps as Rizwan hit the highest number of sixes in 2021 in the world. 2022 has been a drought and that’s the problem.
 
MenInG said:
No - at that time this was the first time we had beaten India in years. It was HUGE deal for which we should continue to thank Babar and Rizwan instead of badmouthing them at every occasion.
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In fact it was the first time we had beaten India in a T20 since the 1st game of the Aane Do series back in Dec 2012 :)

So yes it took us almost nine years to win again
 
People quoting Babar's and Rizwan's performances a year ago need to realize the opposition teams have adapted to the duos weaknesses. All opponents know that Rizwan can't play on the offside to save his life and they have dried up his scoring avenues. Similarly, oppositions are bowling tightly to Babar knowing he is very reliant on Cricketing shots and have plugged the gaps in the field, they are pressurizing him to hit across the line and slog early on which Babar is not comfortable doing.

Babar has to work on his cross bat shots, walking down the wicket to change the bowlers line, length, doing things to disturb the bowlers line and length and put him under pressure to bring the regular proper cricketing shots into play like Kohli does.
 
It is a sensible post for once! Agree with the main points. In the past this guy just spewed nonsense like Kohli ended Raul or other hyperbole like that. Gotta give credit where it’s due. Agree with all the main points.
 
Not gonna lie, as much as I disagree with him and sometimes despise his guts, he is one of the few posters I never skip out on if his comment comes up. Always look forward to what he has to say.

Unlike many here, I wouldn't say he's bias as I believe he means everything he says. But I do think he is unfair and his occasional hatred for the Pak team deludes him sometimes. Nonetheless, he is a great and exciting poster and I have nothing but respect for him.
 
ExpressPacer said:
I agree that he should've been bowled last but asking him to bowl that medium pace, instead of sticking to his guns, was criminal.

When he did stick to his funs, he got the wicket of DK. But he was bowling medium pace beamers at Pandya and VK which was the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Babar Azam is a young captain but that was the poorest captaincy I have seen in my entire life of having watched and played cricket.

15+ is a LOT to defend but they panicked like they were defending 6 runs.
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Yes, should have stuck to spin than medium pace. But tis easy to say all this in hindsight. Babar took a punt and I don't fault him for it. As an India fan, I am grateful :D
 
shariqnoor said:
Dude, Babar got out in the 3rd over if I remember correctly in the Asia Cup final and in the 4th or 5th over against NZ. So first do your research before commenting unnecessarily.
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So what are you trying to argue? They are the worlds best opening pair with clarity of mind if either one doesn’t get out early?

Opposition ke bowlers aamb lene aye hote hain? They are supposed to get them out. Even Bavuma and DeQock would be great if no one gets them out. The whole purpose of batting and bowling in cricket is the bowlers will try and get you out.
 
MenInG said:
The way they took us to a historic 152/0 vs India in a World Cup.
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Think he means when its 160+ runs.

shariqnoor said:
Just a slightly different point of view regarding Babar and Rizwan. When Babar and Rizwan are required to chase more than 160 runs, they are the best in the business at it in the cricketing world.
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Great post from one perspective, however there was no consideration behind the impact of losing wickets in the powerplay.
 
Good post. It seems like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] does care about Pakistan cricket after all.
 
MenInG said:
No - at that time this was the first time we had beaten India in years. It was HUGE deal for which we should continue to thank Babar and Rizwan instead of badmouthing them at every occasion.
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They done 1 good thing in the best batting position in T20s.

They cost us 3 trophies otherwise
 
Obvious incorrect points from the post:

1. During India Vs Pakistan game, Kohli didn’t “destroy” Haris Rauf. Haris Rauf made a mistake of bowling slow into the pitch back to back. It was more of Haris Rauf mistake than Kohli genius. Kohli took a calculated risk and predicted based on the field that was set. This isn’t some genius. Haris Rauf should have bowled wide Yorkers outside off stump to close the match out. It wasn’t Kohli’s genius as much as Haris Rauf’s brainless bowling along with lack of senior guidance. This is where Malik and Hafeez were missed to calm the situation. Since Mamoon thinks that Kohli is some genius even though he’s coming off a three year slump and including losing captaincy in all three formats, everything is ok now. Sure. Whatever.

2. “Panic mode for Nawaz”, was not due to two sixes. Since Mamoon has selective memory, he is forgetting that Nawaz took a wicket on the first ball and that too of Pandya.
The panic mode wasn’t really panic mode. It was a ** call as it was not exactly a no- ball.

*this post would not exist if Pakistan had won the game which was possible. Last over abd last over ball wins are more about luck and probability than “momentum”.

3. Mamoon has a clear bias against Shadab Khan, even though the rest of the commentators and pundits rank him as the best leg spinner and an automatic selection to any team.
Would like to see an honest acknowledgement from Mamoon on this matter but of course we will not get it :)

Pakistan’s match against SA had very little to do with Haris performance as he was out before the score even reached 50!
What do his three sixes have to do with Pakistan reaching 185?
Pakistan was gone! Only to be rescued by his favorite leg spinner Shadab and ofcourse Iftikhar. It has nothing to do with momentum. It has everything to do with understanding that this was do or die game and might as well go down fighting.
It has to do with Shadab skill level and understanding of the game.
It was incredibly brave and by far the best knock of this World Cup by Shadab.
Yet no credit given? “Momentum momentum momentum” lol.

Would highly recommend some sincerity and acknowledgment in regards to Shadab Khan. Seems to be missing everywhere.

Good luck but not buying it.
 
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Obvious incorrect points from the post:

1. During India Vs Pakistan game, Kohli didn’t “destroy” Haris Rauf. Haris Rauf made a mistake of bowling slow into the pitch back to back. It was more of Haris Rauf mistake than Kohli genius. Kohli took a calculated risk and predicted based on the field that was set. This isn’t some genius. Haris Rauf should have bowled wide Yorkers outside off stump to close the match out. It wasn’t Kohli’s genius as much as Haris Rauf’s brainless bowling along with lack of senior guidance. This is where Malik and Hafeez were missed to calm the situation. Since Mamoon thinks that Kohli is some genius even though he’s coming off a three year slump and including losing captaincy in all three formats, everything is ok now. Sure. Whatever.

2. “Panic mode for Nawaz”, was not due to two sixes. Since Mamoon has selective memory, he is forgetting that Nawaz took a wicket on the first ball and that too of Pandya.
The panic mode wasn’t really panic mode. It was a ** call as it was not exactly a no- ball.

*this post would not exist if Pakistan had won the game which was possible. Last over abd last over ball wins are more about luck and probability than “momentum”.

3. Mamoon has a clear bias against Shadab Khan, even though the rest of the commentators and pundits rank him as the best leg spinner and an automatic selection to any team.
Would like to see an honest acknowledgement from Mamoon on this matter but of course we will not get it :)

Pakistan’s match against SA had very little to do with Haris performance as he was out before the score even reached 50!
What do his three sixes have to do with Pakistan reaching 185?
Pakistan was gone! Only to be rescued by his favorite leg spinner Shadab and ofcourse Iftikhar. It has nothing to do with momentum. It has everything to do with understanding that this was do or die game and might as well go down fighting.
It has to do with Shadab skill level and understanding of the game.
It was incredibly brave and by far the best knock of this World Cup by Shadab.
Yet no credit given? “Momentum momentum momentum” lol.

Would highly recommend some sincerity and acknowledgment in regards to Shadab Khan. Seems to be missing everywhere.

Good luck but not buying it.
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Don;t agree with you in some points but liked your post too. I like when people have different opinion in a discussion rather than going one way,
 
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[MENTION=155430]arif_2021[/MENTION]

This is not a thread to argue and I would be happy to respond to your post in another thread on another day but I would like to touch on three things that you mentioned.

- Nawaz’s no-ball was borderline. I agree. The umpire could have given some leeway to him. However, you are forgetting that he bowled the exact same delivery to DK on the second ball of the final over and he got away with it.

If you bowl two borderline waist high full-tosses in the same over, the umpires are very likely to penalize you.

- Kohli’s first six to Rauf was a moment of genius that only he could have created in that moment.

I can think of only a handful of batsmen in history who could have executed that shot and certainly no batsman currently playing.

The way he was able to generate enough power on the back-foot to hit a back of length delivery for a straight six at a ground like MCG was extraordinary. Any other batsman and that should would land well inside the boundary and it would be a 2 or 3 at best.

It was at that moment that Rauf mentally disintegrated and checked out of the game. He couldn’t believe what just happened, and he went in and bowled his final delivery without any thought process.

Kohli went deep in his crease on the final ball, expecting a yorker but Rauf was not in the game anymore and bowled a freebie.

As far as Kohli’s 3 year slump is concerned, the fact that he is still capable of producing such knocks and such shots after a 3 year slump and at the age of 34 shows that he is a batting genius. This was the type of innings and shot that batsmen cannot play even in the prime of their careers in the midst of a purple patch.

- Haris’ assault on Rabada put South Africa on the back-foot. It came out of the blue and neither Pakistan nor South Africa expected it. It also forced Rabada out of the attack immediately. No doubt the lower-order played really well, but the impact of Haris’ cameo should not be understated.
 
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