Predict the outcome of the Australia versus India ODI series

[tyron_woodley]

Rohit is a big part of the India team but his absence doesn't make this an Indian B team

Take Roy out of England and they will look worse than Bangladesh.

Take Warner out of Australia and they will look mediocre. Your openers set the tone.

Rohit averages like 65 in Australia. You bet your butt India would have had a good chance to win had he and Bhuvi played.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Depends - ODI game has changed so much that statistically you can't measure players from different position. In very limited scope (9 innings), Labus has a stats of 45+/90+ at No. 4, which is much better than Agarwal's 17+/103+ over 5 innings.

AUS was always going to win this series - question was 2-1 or 3-0. I think, unless IND wins the toss it's going to be 3-0 - even if they win the toss, it's 50-50 in 3rd ODI. A full strength AUS, in AUS is the most daunting task in cricket.

Full strength India in India is much harder to beat in tests than Australia in Australia

In odi I agree, Australia is hard to beat unless you win the toss. South Africa brtlutally butchered them serveral times though. Just saying.

 

[Ab Fan]

I think Mayank is a much better limited overs batsman than Labuschagne.

I agree but in tests, Labu should end up as better batsman than Mayank. Mayank's real test will be Australia test series this year, England and South Africa away next year.

 

[KoyoAli]

Take Roy out of England and they will look worse than Bangladesh.

Take Warner out of Australia and they will look mediocre. Your openers set the tone.

Rohit averages like 65 in Australia. You bet your butt India would have had a good chance to win had he and Bhuvi played.

In case you missed Roy has been in a very bad patch for some time now. Yet England look pretty comfortable. Yea Rohit is a massive miss for India. But they still have Virat, Bumrah, Shami, Pandya, and KL. It's not a B team. And Bhuvis's record isn't that good vs Aus. Actually, when was the last time he played consistently for India? Whenever I look he is injured

 

[KoyoAli]

Full strength India in India is much harder to beat in tests than Australia in Australia

In odi I agree, Australia is hard to beat unless you win the toss. South Africa brtlutally butchered them serveral times though. Just saying.

South Africa is an exception. For some reason, they always perform well in Aus.

 

[Manunited18]

Take Roy out of England and they will look worse than Bangladesh.

Take Warner out of Australia and they will look mediocre. Your openers set the tone.

Rohit averages like 65 in Australia. You bet your butt India would have had a good chance to win had he and Bhuvi played.

All ifs and buts, England bench strength is far superior to India in the limited overs, they are head and shoulders the best side in the world in the short format

 

[Rajdeep]

All will be forgotten if we win the test series. Lets be honest, tests are the only thing that matters and all these white ball games are just a form of glorified practice to get aclimatized with the conditions. Infact test players like Mayank, Virat, Jadeja, Bumrah, Shami etc. will not even play last 2 T20s since they are clashing with the1st 4 day practice match. Australia have already rested Cummins from remaining white ball matches to be absolutely ready for tests.

Ofcourse you should try to win all the matches but India should not be disheartened by this ODI series loss. Lets focus on the main event and prepare for it accordingly.

 

[tyron_woodley]

All ifs and buts, England bench strength is far superior to India in the limited overs, they are head and shoulders the best side in the world in the short format

On Pattas. Not in Asia. Not in bouncy tracks. Absolutely not.

They are patta king's. They just lost to Australia at home. Did I see that right? At home lol. They aren't the best side and they sure won't be by 2023 when India take a dump on everyone and win the WC.

 

[tyron_woodley]

In case you missed Roy has been in a very bad patch for some time now. Yet England look pretty comfortable. Yea Rohit is a massive miss for India. But they still have Virat, Bumrah, Shami, Pandya, and KL. It's not a B team. And Bhuvis's record isn't that good vs Aus. Actually, when was the last time he played consistently for India? Whenever I look he is injured

Doesn't matter if he is injured. He is still a quality player who can bat. He would be handy in Australia with the new ball and he has finch's number.

Also Rohit din't play. So India din't play at full strength. Also last time both teams played at full strength, guess what? India won albeit in India.

Overall it's close.

 

[tyron_woodley]

South Africa is an exception. For some reason, they always perform well in Aus.

1) they have similar pitches.
2) tall bowlers.

In Australia you need tall bowlers. period. Easier to bounce people and it doesn't take much effort to bowl a bouncer when you are tall. In Asia it's the shorter ones with the advantage.
In England and n.z it's hard to say. Swing bowlers and trundling swing bowlers would be world champions there.

 

[MMHS]

Sharmaji indeed a big loss, but in first two ties, games were lost in first half - Sharma won’t have changed the result, but could have made it really tight even chasing 375+. Had India batted first with Sharma, yes it could have been 55-45 to Aussies. What India needed was bowlers to contain Aussies inside 330 (& fielding) otherwise batting has an elastic limit.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Sharmaji indeed a big loss, but in first two ties, games were lost in first half - Sharma won’t have changed the result, but could have made it really tight even chasing 375+. Had India batted first with Sharma, yes it could have been 55-45 to Aussies. What India needed was bowlers to contain Aussies inside 330 (& fielding) otherwise batting has an elastic limit.

At the end of the day India beat their full strength side at home.
Aussies din't face india's best side at home.
But I agree toss makes a huge difference on Pattas in Australia.
To Contain Aussies we needed a swing bowler who is good with the new ball. He is also finch's nightmare.

Btw if you notice, Aussies lose most games when finch gets out to a under 50 Score.
Finch is key. You get finch early it disrpurts their rythym for some reason.

 

[Smudger]

At the end of the day India beat their full strength side at home.
Aussies din't face india's best side at home.
But I agree toss makes a huge difference on Pattas in Australia.
To Contain Aussies we needed a swing bowler who is good with the new ball. He is also finch's nightmare.

Btw if you notice, Aussies lose most games when finch gets out to a under 50 Score.
Finch is key. You get finch early it disrpurts their rythym for some reason.

Stop crying man. You are biggest crybaby I have seen. First its the toss then Rohit and funnily now Bhuvi who averages worse than Shami in powerplay would have made a difference. Rohit was there in 2016 against probably the worst attack Aus ever fielded and even then he was'nt able to play quick fire innings Just run a ball useless Daddy tons.
Looks like indians will never accept defeat gracefully. Truth is Ind's win last time around was the biggest fluke that happened on a cricket field

 

[Rana]

Looks like Aus will whitewash this Indian B team if they win the toss again.

Indian B team?

Post an A team and let’s see who is missing

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Aussies are just too good. I think they'll win the third ODI, sweep the T20s, and won the tests 4-0. Going to be a painful tour of India.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Indian B team?

Post an A team and let’s see who is missing

Same people refuse to acknowledge Australia without Smith, Warner, and Bancroft as a B team, while 10 out of 11 top Indian players are playing right now except Rohit.

 

[Manunited18]

On Pattas. Not in Asia. Not in bouncy tracks. Absolutely not.

They are patta king's. They just lost to Australia at home. Did I see that right? At home lol. They aren't the best side and they sure won't be by 2023 when India take a dump on everyone and win the WC.

Lol India have to many ageing players , kohli needs to replaced as a captain as I don't think hes a good enough leader also needs to amend a shocking record in icc events where he has miserably failed with the bat.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Stop crying man. You are biggest crybaby I have seen. First its the toss then Rohit and funnily now Bhuvi who averages worse than Shami in powerplay would have made a difference. Rohit was there in 2016 against probably the worst attack Aus ever fielded and even then he was'nt able to play quick fire innings Just run a ball useless Daddy tons.
Looks like indians will never accept defeat gracefully. Truth is Ind's win last time around was the biggest fluke that happened on a cricket field

Bhuvi
Bumrah
Shami

Bhuvi wrecked finch how many times? Bhuvi also averages better than Saini. Saini lost India the games. I don't think it's hard to understand is it? Bhuvi can also bat. Bhuvi can swing the ball.

Is our best attack in odi

Rohit our bets batsman. India gets Aussies at full strength in India.

Australia din't beat India at full strength in their home. Also India lost all 3 tosses in India an won the series. Australia is still untested under the lights whilst batting second vs India.

In 2016, India had Mohit Sharma and Yadav bowling. So het out of here. I am yet to see Australia beat a full strength India who are fresh at home in odi.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Same people refuse to acknowledge Australia without Smith, Warner, and Bancroft as a B team, while 10 out of 11 top Indian players are playing right now except Rohit.

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Iyer
Rahul
Pant
Pandya
Jadeja
Bhuvi
Shami
Bumrah

That's our full strength best team. Australia are still untestedt vs that team. They lost to us at home when Aussies were full strength.
They din't beat that team above in their home. When they do I can accept they are better in their* condtions for odi.

 

[aloo paratha]

Bhuvi
Rohit Sharma

Bhuvi is good with the new ball and can cobtain better than Saini. We would have a very good chance to win. He also has finch'# number.

Bhuvneshwar averages 35 in ODI cricket. 36 against Australia. Hardly a big loss.

 

[aloo paratha]

Take Roy out of England and they will look worse than Bangladesh.

Take Warner out of Australia and they will look mediocre. Your openers set the tone.

Rohit averages like 65 in Australia. You bet your butt India would have had a good chance to win had he and Bhuvi played.

Are you serious? Roy scored 16 off 14 today and England still chased 191 with 2 and a half overs to spare.

Englands depth is unreal

 

[tyron_woodley]

Are you serious? Roy scored 16 off 14 today and England still chased 191 with 2 and a half overs to spare.

Englands depth is unreal

In T20. What happened in the world cup when Roy was hurt? ROFL. They nearly bombed out

 

[tyron_woodley]

Bhuvneshwar averages 35 in ODI cricket. 36 against Australia. Hardly a big loss.

So what? Every top bowler averages more than 30 on Pattas. 35. Still better than saini's 70. That makes a huge difference. Plus he can bat. If he gets finch early like he always does, match usually swings the opponent's way.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Iyer
Rahul
Pant
Pandya
Jadeja
Bhuvi
Shami
Bumrah

That's our full strength best team. Australia are still untestedt vs that team. They lost to us at home when Aussies were full strength.
They din't beat that team above in their home. When they do I can accept they are better in their* condtions for odi.

If we’re talking about full strength teams then Pakistani posters can also write fantasy threads about Amir being fit for that England test series or Australia last year. Do you see the rabbit hole you’re creating? Bhuvi is unfit, end of story. It’s part and parcel of fast bowling and you have to plan ahead for it by rotating your stocks and developing the bench. It is completely different to a case where 3 top batsmen are removed from the team at the same time. This is something you cannot account for and do not account for generally speaking.

Speaking of the bench, I thought IPL bench was the strongest in the world? Why is Saini bowling full tosses and half trackers? Besides, you have most of your main attack, one or two fast bowlers plus minus is always there for almost every team. Why are the top bowlers such as Bumrah unable to hit a good length consistently?

 

[aloo paratha]

So what? Every top bowler averages more than 30 on Pattas. 35. Still better than saini's 70. That makes a huge difference. Plus he can bat. If he gets finch early like he always does, match usually swings the opponent's way.

Youre really cluthing at straws with you "Finch is his bunny" narrative. Kumar has dismissed Finch 4 times in ODI cricket. Sure 3 times was in the last ODI series, but you're acting as if a player can't improve, especially in 2 years.

By you logic Kohli would score very poorly on this tour if Jhye Richardson was playing since he dismissed Kohli 3 times in the last ODI series India played in Australia.

 

[aloo paratha]

^ I need to add to the above, Kumar has dismissed him 4 times in like 10+ ODIs they've played together AFAIK.

 

[tyron_woodley]

If we’re talking about full strength teams then Pakistani posters can also write fantasy threads about Amir being fit for that England test series or Australia last year. Do you see the rabbit hole you’re creating? Bhuvi is unfit, end of story. It’s part and parcel of fast bowling and you have to plan ahead for it by rotating your stocks and developing the bench. It is completely different to a case where 3 top batsmen are removed from the team at the same time. This is something you cannot account for and do not account for generally speaking.

Speaking of the bench, I thought IPL bench was the strongest in the world? Why is Saini bowling full tosses and half trackers? Besides, you have most of your main attack, one or two fast bowlers plus minus is always there for almost every team. Why are the top bowlers such as Bumrah unable to hit a good length consistently?

Well Saini was never a good odi bowler though. He gets picked becaue he plays for kohli's team. Also there are better odi players like suryakmuar Yadav, Ishan who has been good etc. They can easily replace pantin the middle.

We need Bhuvi because he is a good exponent of swing. We don't have anyone else who is tested. Siraj is unproven. Yadav Is well Yadav in odi. So just because a player is missing that doesn't mean he isn't good ROFL.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Youre really cluthing at straws with you "Finch is his bunny" narrative. Kumar has dismissed Finch 4 times in ODI cricket. Sure 3 times was in the last ODI series, but you're acting as if a player can't improve, especially in 2 years.

By you logic Kohli would score very poorly on this tour if Jhye Richardson was playing since he dismissed Kohli 3 times in the last ODI series India played in Australia.

That's Kohli..

Finch isn't Kohli.

Besides Bhuvi wrecked him in IPL too

 

[aloo paratha]

That's Kohli..

Finch isn't Kohli.

Besides Bhuvi wrecked him in IPL too

okay bro this just showed me there's no point debating with you

35 averaging Bhuvneshwar would rip apart this lineup.

 

[tyron_woodley]

okay bro this just showed me there's no point debating with you

35 averaging Bhuvneshwar would rip apart this lineup.

Staarc averages 32 plus vs India. So he is crap now?
30 plus vs top teams is normal these days on flat Pattas. He is still a quality 3rd seamer. He is better than Saini and can bat. He is good with the new ball.
Australia din't face our best team. Period.

When they beat us with all our players available then yea sure. Last time I dia won the series at full strength.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Staarc averages 32 plus vs India. So he is crap now?
30 plus vs top teams is normal these days on flat Pattas. He is still a quality 3rd seamer. He is better than Saini and can bat. He is good with the new ball.
Australia din't face our best team. Period.

When they beat us with all our players available then yea sure. Last time I dia won the series at full strength.

Australia are just too good. Expect India to go winless this your in all formats. No way Smith, Warner, Labu backed by Cummins and Starc can be beaten by this out of form Indian team.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

This will be a repeat of India in England 2011.

 

[aloo paratha]

Staarc averages 32 plus vs India. So he is crap now?
30 plus vs top teams is normal these days on flat Pattas. He is still a quality 3rd seamer. He is better than Saini and can bat. He is good with the new ball.
Australia din't face our best team. Period.

When they beat us with all our players available then yea sure. Last time I dia won the series at full strength.

Bro you're not getting it I'm talking career averages, meaning against every opposition. Starc's career average is 23, Bhuvneshwar's is 35...

If we sort for SENA then Bhuvneshwar averages 41... Quit embarrassing yourself.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Bro you're not getting it I'm talking career averages, meaning against every opposition. Starc's career average is 23, Bhuvneshwar's is 35...

If we sort for SENA then Bhuvneshwar averages 41... Quit embarrassing yourself.

Don't you know? Only stats against India count. They are the only cricket team worthy of performing against.

 

[aloo paratha]

Don't you know? Only stats against India count. They are the only cricket team worthy of performing against.

Never have I seen a mid 30 averaging bowler be talked up this much. Even us Pakistanis go overboard sometimes, but never to this extent.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Never have I seen a mid 30 averaging bowler be talked up this much. Even us Pakistanis go overboard sometimes, but never to this extent.

I totally agree..Bhuvi is pretty good as a support bowler but nothing else. He is not a saviour or match winner. On these pitches he'd be getting 1/65 or so.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Well Saini was never a good odi bowler though. He gets picked becaue he plays for kohli's team. Also there are better odi players like suryakmuar Yadav, Ishan who has been good etc. They can easily replace pantin the middle.

We need Bhuvi because he is a good exponent of swing. We don't have anyone else who is tested. Siraj is unproven. Yadav Is well Yadav in odi. So just because a player is missing that doesn't mean he isn't good ROFL.

Yeah but you also fail to give Pakistan the same liberty of us having our best players missing for the entirety of the decade lol. Asif, Butt, Amir were all confirmed picks throughout the last 10 years and probably would all still be playing. Then we have our everlasting stories of injuries like Usman Shinwari, Hassan Ali, Naseem Shah, Junaid Khan, and many, many more. If we had a full strength lineup for every one of our SENA series this last decade, we would be miles, miles ahead of any other team in the world. Unfortunately it doesn’t work like that. You also fail to acknowledge that India’s 2018 win in Australia was a fluke based on circumstances of Australia’s top 3 players not being there in the same vein that Pakistan had to rebound in 2010 - so on what basis should India losing one bowler and one batsman be grounds for excuses?

Mayank, Dhawan, Kohli is not that inferior a top 3 compared to Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli and Shami, Bumrah, Saini is not that inferior to Shami, Bumrah, Bhuvi. You have to accept this, particularly in the bowling case because that’s part of the game and 1-2 reserve pacers who come in during injuries are always counted as part of the main team.

Lastly lastly lastly. Adding a few lines here because of how shocked I am.
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Let me get this straight. You need Bhuvi because he is a good exponent of swing, but Wasim Akram would be smashed like Bumrah?


Interesting.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Australia are just too good. Expect India to go winless this your in all formats. No way Smith, Warner, Labu backed by Cummins and Starc can be beaten by this out of form Indian team.

India beat them at full strength. That's the point. Australia din't beat India at full strength.cone back when they do

 

[tyron_woodley]

Bro you're not getting it I'm talking career averages, meaning against every opposition. Starc's career average is 23, Bhuvneshwar's is 35...

If we sort for SENA then Bhuvneshwar averages 41... Quit embarrassing yourself.

Who gives. F what he averages outside Australia when he is facing Australia?
He averages 34 in Australia. Saini averages 70.
You do the math. Bhuvi can bat. He has finch's number.


Australia still din't beat India at full strength and I will never accept they are better until they beat us at full strength

India beat a full strength Australia side early this year.

Also Indian Bowles are probably tired from IP.L

Aussie treat it more like a holiday.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Yeah but you also fail to give Pakistan the same liberty of us having our best players missing for the entirety of the decade lol. Asif, Butt, Amir were all confirmed picks throughout the last 10 years and probably would all still be playing. Then we have our everlasting stories of injuries like Usman Shinwari, Hassan Ali, Naseem Shah, Junaid Khan, and many, many more. If we had a full strength lineup for every one of our SENA series this last decade, we would be miles, miles ahead of any other team in the world. Unfortunately it doesn’t work like that. You also fail to acknowledge that India’s 2018 win in Australia was a fluke based on circumstances of Australia’s top 3 players not being there in the same vein that Pakistan had to rebound in 2010 - so on what basis should India losing one bowler and one batsman be grounds for excuses?

Mayank, Dhawan, Kohli is not that inferior a top 3 compared to Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli and Shami, Bumrah, Saini is not that inferior to Shami, Bumrah, Bhuvi. You have to accept this, particularly in the bowling case because that’s part of the game and 1-2 reserve pacers who come in during injuries are always counted as part of the main team.

Lastly lastly lastly. Adding a few lines here because of how shocked I am.
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Let me get this straight. You need Bhuvi because he is a good exponent of swing, but Wasim Akram would be smashed like Bumrah?


Interesting.

Mayank is a beast. In tests. He is still new in odi. He is very good.

At the end of the day Australia din't face our best team. Infact I wouldnt even pick spinners for Australia. Would go Shankar and pandya as all rounders. .

Akram will do well in the beginning but he won't be good at death. He is a great bowler.

Regarding Pakistan, they couldn't even win a test in Australia even with their full strength team since 97. So doesn't count.


India would have still beaten Australia and Smith and Warner in tests2018 because they were in form and they win tosses.

We shall see this time. Australia are favorites but they need to win the toss to win still in Australia.

In India we will still whip their asss even if they lose tosses.

No Ishant who was the best bowler along with bumrah last time. You need tall bowlers in Australia. It's ok. We are not complaining.

 

[shamaan]

I hope india win the toss every single time and Australia win the series hands down then it will shut people up

 

[BreadPakoda]

Fair result imo. Australia is a very strong side and India has not even been able to finalize their first XI. Pandey, Pant, Agarwal, Shankar, DK, Jadhav. No one has been able to grab a spot.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I hope india win the toss every single time and Australia win the series hands down then it will shut people up

Prove it then ?

India already whiprd Australia in India even after losing tosses in 3/4 game in tests and odi as well

Aussies need to prove they can beat India after losing several tosses against full strength Indian side in odi and tests.