Prediction: Bangladesh team in top 4 or 5 LOI in 10 years time

[CricketAnalyst]

Their population is quite huge, they are a completely cricket crazy nation where they only play one sport and whole nation is bonkers about cricket.

Most of their team is young and has a decade of cricket left and some of them are very promising.

Their age group sides are crushing other teams. They beat SL U19 recently, and now they are demolishing SA U-19. In particular, I'd say that Nazmul Hosain Shanto might become a very strong cricketer. It's rare to see a 16 year old boy dominating much older players who have played at Ram Slam and FC level and his performances are consistently terrific.

 

[Anchorman]

Prediction : They will continue to be mediocre and will still be considered minnows 10 years on.

 

[amit]

If Ireland & Afghanistan get even 50% of the chances Bangladesh gets, both of them will be in top 5-6 teams ahead of teams like England, Sri Lanka, West Indies & Bangladesh

 

[Laal]

That's operating under the assumption that other teams are latent. Bangladesh may improve, but so will others.

 

[Kakar]

Prediction : They will continue to be mediocre and will still be considered minnows 10 years on.

Prediction: This prediction will come true rather than the one in OP.

 

[Buffet]

Top 4 side in ODI seems a stretch to me. I think they may be in top 8 after 10 years.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

That's operating under the assumption that other teams are latent. Bangladesh may improve, but so will others.

Actually I expect most countries to go backwards. That's what happens when finances and popularity declines. It takes 20 years to show on the field. Bangladesh background situation has been improving for ten years, but it is only now that the ones who had better coaching and exposure since they were little kids are becoming old enough to play for the nation.

Players like Mushfiqur said they had to learn everything at international level with no domestic structure, no exposure and no great training when he was a kid. Their current crop of youngsters like Liton Das, Soumya Sarkar have had much more exposure and played multiple U-19 cups and been coached better.

People don't realize that the gap between South Africa and Bangladesh is just one or two special players. Don't believe me? Imagine AB and Amla were Bangladeshi. Do you think SA minus AB and Amla would beat a Bangladesh side that read Tamim, Amla, Soumya Sarkar, AB, Shakib, Mushfiqur, Mahmudullah? SA would suddenly read De Kock, Roussouw, Faf, Duminy, Miller, Parnell.

Seriously, which of those lineups do you think is better? Is there even a debate?

Even a side like Afghanistan or Ireland could look World Class with two or three elite players. There just isn't much quality difference between the average players on most sides, it's the top 3 or 4 players that generate the quality.

If you agree with what I wrote till now, consider this. In 10 years, AB, Amla, JP, Morne, Steyn will all be gone. Their replacements are the kids who are getting clobbered by Bangladesh U-19s....and those Bangladeshi kids will be the ones replacing the older Bangladeshi players (who are noticeably the weakest players in the BD side). I'm not making that up earlier. The biggest failures for Bangladesh were Tamim, Mashrafe and Imrul whereas SA's strongest players are AB, Morne, Amla, Duminy, Steyn, who will only last another 3 or 4 years.

Look at the pipeline, because that's where the truth will come out. Sure, Australia will be fine for years to come. England is low in the talent department and interest is plummeting. WI is in freefall. Pakistan and SL have huge administration and corruption issues. NZ is a tiny country which got Bangla-washed 3 years ago and interest in cricket was dropping until this WC.

Structure matters. You can't just look at the current top 11 and make a prediction because these guys won't be playing in 10 years.

 

[Dios]

Bangladesh are already a top 5 team in ODIs.

 

[cric]

Bangladesh are already a top 5 team in ODIs.

And Bangla fans woke up.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

They will definitely improve but not on the level [MENTION=135134]CricketAnalyst[/MENTION] is saying IMO, not in 10 years anyway.

300 million cricket fanatics, with a slowly but ever improving administration and domestic system. They've already produced some excellent players like Mushfiqur and Shakib, all they need is to work on their one massive weakness, mental strength. Sort that out and they'll definitely be a #7 or maybe #6 ranked ODI team in 10 years.

I wouldnt look into U19 results too much though, subcon sides have always bossed teams in U19 but a lot of the time they fail to transfer that over to senior level

 

[Orbis]

Don't see them being better than any team other than WI tbh. Whether we like it or not, genetics plays a major role in sports and genetically Bengalis are short. By no means am I being offensive and I apologise if I am, but a lot of the players are <5'5" I think.

 

[Laal]

Actually I expect most countries to go backwards. That's what happens when finances and popularity declines. It takes 20 years to show on the field. Bangladesh background situation has been improving for ten years, but it is only now that the ones who had better coaching and exposure since they were little kids are becoming old enough to play for the nation.

Players like Mushfiqur said they had to learn everything at international level with no domestic structure, no exposure and no great training when he was a kid. Their current crop of youngsters like Liton Das, Soumya Sarkar have had much more exposure and played multiple U-19 cups and been coached better.

People don't realize that the gap between South Africa and Bangladesh is just one or two special players. Don't believe me? Imagine AB and Amla were Bangladeshi. Do you think SA minus AB and Amla would beat a Bangladesh side that read Tamim, Amla, Soumya Sarkar, AB, Shakib, Mushfiqur, Mahmudullah? SA would suddenly read De Kock, Roussouw, Faf, Duminy, Miller, Parnell.

Seriously, which of those lineups do you think is better? Is there even a debate?

Even a side like Afghanistan or Ireland could look World Class with two or three elite players. There just isn't much quality difference between the average players on most sides, it's the top 3 or 4 players that generate the quality.

If you agree with what I wrote till now, consider this. In 10 years, AB, Amla, JP, Morne, Steyn will all be gone. Their replacements are the kids who are getting clobbered by Bangladesh U-19s....and those Bangladeshi kids will be the ones replacing the older Bangladeshi players (who are noticeably the weakest players in the BD side). I'm not making that up earlier. The biggest failures for Bangladesh were Tamim, Mashrafe and Imrul whereas SA's strongest players are AB, Morne, Amla, Duminy, Steyn, who will only last another 3 or 4 years.

Look at the pipeline, because that's where the truth will come out. Sure, Australia will be fine for years to come. England is low in the talent department and interest is plummeting. WI is in freefall. Pakistan and SL have huge administration and corruption issues. NZ is a tiny country which got Bangla-washed 3 years ago and interest in cricket was dropping until this WC.

Structure matters. You can't just look at the current top 11 and make a prediction because these guys won't be playing in 10 years.

Sir ji, those are some ambitious assumptions. I'm not convinced. Historically Under 19s have been a very poor indicator of future performance. Pakistan U19s have been a perennial powerhouse since the last decade, having consistently made deep into the U19 WCs. However, very few of them have survived the FC to graduate to the national team.

 

[farazaidi]

didnt they said the same thing after WC 2007?

No.7 is a more realistic target, I see them edging past England and West Indies in ODIs in 4 years time

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

I strongly disagree with your post.

Couple things. I seriously believe your first 2 lines about population and passion are irrelevant. If they were true then India would have the best team in the world at all times and it would not be close at all. They would dominate the world and no one would come close.

And then Pakistan would be second. And the team behind them would be miles and miles behind and could not even dream of beating the Pakistan team.

And Australia would be a minnow.

Seriously every country has more than a million people. I'm sure out of those at least a 100 have some insanely gifted natural ability. Population is irrelevant, it's about grooming the skill, having skill, development, living conditions, etc.

I think Bangladesh would very well be a top team in 10 years but unfortunately the entire nation's attitude is pathetic which is why I never see them accomplishing much.

Every time during an international tournament when the entire country has achieved nothing in the game of cricket, the country wins one game and all their fans act like they are favourites and the arrogance is just a bit too much. It comes as a shock that this attitude is evident in the players as well. Oh and when they lose rather than taking responsibility for their actions and how they are an up and coming nation but aren't there yet the reason they believe they lost is because it's a huge sazish against them. This attitude is not nearly as much of a problem with other SC teams like Sri Lanka Pakistan or India. I was shocked to hear the players saying stuff like this after the WC. A lot of them were saying if it were not for the biased umpires they would have beaten India ) . If you're not going to be humble and not look to improve every day and if an entire nation is going to have a Ahmed Shehzad attitude I'm sorry I can't see them accomplishing much.

 

[Dios]

Don't see them being better than any team other than WI tbh. Whether we like it or not, genetics plays a major role in sports and genetically Bengalis are short. By no means am I being offensive and I apologise if I am, but a lot of the players are <5'5" I think.

You only need your pacers to be tall and Bangladesh has quite a few tall pacers now.
Taskin Ahmed: 6'3"
Shahadat Hossain: 6'4"
Mashrafe Mortaza: 6'1"
Al-Amin Hossain: 6'2"

And again height doesn't count for much even in fast bowling if you can't make proper use of it. Rubel Hossain at 5'10" is quicker and sharper than all those mentioned above. Height is not important for batsmen but Bangladesh does have a few tall batsmen in Mahmudullah, Tamim Iqbal, Soumya Sarkar, Junaid Siddique. Only Mushfiqur and Mominul are below 5'5". Pakistan too has a few midgets in Asad Shafiq, Adnan Akmal etc.

I don't think genetics is as important in cricket as it is in more athletic sports otherwise you wouldn't have India and Sri Lanka doing so well. Bengalis may not have the most athletic genes but that hasn't stopped Bangladesh from dominating Pakistan in a real sport like football.

 

[Orbis]

You only need your pacers to be tall and Bangladesh has quite a few tall pacers now.
Taskin Ahmed: 6'3"
Shahadat Hossain: 6'4"
Mashrafe Mortaza: 6'1"
Al-Amin Hossain: 6'2"

And again height doesn't count for much even in fast bowling if you can't make proper use of it. Rubel Hossain at 5'10" is quicker and sharper than all those mentioned above. Height is not important for batsmen but Bangladesh does have a few tall batsmen in Mahmudullah, Tamim Iqbal, Soumya Sarkar, Junaid Siddique. Only Mushfiqur and Mominul are below 5'5". Pakistan too has a few midgets in Asad Shafiq, Adnan Akmal etc.

I don't think genetics is as important in cricket as it is in more athletic sports otherwise you wouldn't have India and Sri Lanka doing so well. Bengalis may not have the most athletic genes but that hasn't stopped Bangladesh from dominating Pakistan in a real sport like football.

Agreed, and they are the worst players I have ever seen, thank god the latter is gone and the former is hanging on by a thread.

And yes genetics does play a part, why is Sri Lanka a lot more successful despite being considerably smaller? Because they are genetically strong. Same reason Australia is the most successful cricket team and in sports in general.

Either way, Bangladesh does not have anyone to look up to, and because they will always lag behind they lack the confidence, and dare I say, other teams look down at Bangladesh so play without pressure. There is no reasoning in the prediction.

There is a player called Litton Das for Bangladesh who is being hyped to the moon without playing an international match, I can guarantee he will not be successful which shows the quality of cricket in Bangladesh. The fact that Bangladesh fans cheer absolutely mediocre players and regard Mominul Haque as the 2nd best test player in history based on a few fluke test innings shows they won't progress.

Another thing is that Nasir Hossain, who somehow scored a century against Pakistan (albeit Gul and co.) now thinks he is some ATG. Guy gives Shehzad a run for money on superstar delusion.

 

[Energetic]

OP is actually right sorry to say. Compare the stats of BD players today with the BD players during Habibul Bashar reign and you will see a huge difference. BD are improving all the time. They have become a competitive side since 2012.

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

Agreed, and they are the worst players I have ever seen, thank god the latter is gone and the former is hanging on by a thread.

And yes genetics does play a part, why is Sri Lanka a lot more successful despite being considerably smaller? Because they are genetically strong. Same reason Australia is the most successful cricket team and in sports in general.

Either way, Bangladesh does not have anyone to look up to, and because they will always lag behind they lack the confidence, and dare I say, other teams look down at Bangladesh so play without pressure. There is no reasoning in the prediction.

There is a player called Litton Das for Bangladesh who is being hyped to the moon without playing an international match, I can guarantee he will not be successful which shows the quality of cricket in Bangladesh. The fact that Bangladesh fans cheer absolutely mediocre players and regard Mominul Haque as the 2nd best test player in history based on a few fluke test innings shows they won't progress.

Another thing is that Nasir Hossain, who somehow scored a century against Pakistan (albeit Gul and co.) now thinks he is some ATG. Guy gives Shehzad a run for money on superstar delusion.

see this is my exact problem with Bangladeshis and their fans and why I would much rather have India absolutely ruin Pakistan in a WC final than bangladesh win a WC and also why I think Bangladesh cricket will go nowhere.

 

[Laal]

OP is actually right sorry to say. Compare the stats of BD players today with the BD players during Habibul Bashar reign and you will see a huge difference. BD are improving all the time. They have become a competitive side since 2012.

I don't think anyone has disputed that. They have improved a fair bit and that's good for cricket. But top-5 in 10 years is a monumental task.

 

[Buffet]

Actually I expect most countries to go backwards. That's what happens when finances and popularity declines. It takes 20 years to show on the field. Bangladesh background situation has been improving for ten years, but it is only now that the ones who had better coaching and exposure since they were little kids are becoming old enough to play for the nation.

Players like Mushfiqur said they had to learn everything at international level with no domestic structure, no exposure and no great training when he was a kid. Their current crop of youngsters like Liton Das, Soumya Sarkar have had much more exposure and played multiple U-19 cups and been coached better.

People don't realize that the gap between South Africa and Bangladesh is just one or two special players. Don't believe me? Imagine AB and Amla were Bangladeshi. Do you think SA minus AB and Amla would beat a Bangladesh side that read Tamim, Amla, Soumya Sarkar, AB, Shakib, Mushfiqur, Mahmudullah? SA would suddenly read De Kock, Roussouw, Faf, Duminy, Miller, Parnell.

Seriously, which of those lineups do you think is better? Is there even a debate?

Even a side like Afghanistan or Ireland could look World Class with two or three elite players. There just isn't much quality difference between the average players on most sides, it's the top 3 or 4 players that generate the quality.

If you agree with what I wrote till now, consider this. In 10 years, AB, Amla, JP, Morne, Steyn will all be gone. Their replacements are the kids who are getting clobbered by Bangladesh U-19s....and those Bangladeshi kids will be the ones replacing the older Bangladeshi players (who are noticeably the weakest players in the BD side). I'm not making that up earlier. The biggest failures for Bangladesh were Tamim, Mashrafe and Imrul whereas SA's strongest players are AB, Morne, Amla, Duminy, Steyn, who will only last another 3 or 4 years.

Look at the pipeline, because that's where the truth will come out. Sure, Australia will be fine for years to come. England is low in the talent department and interest is plummeting. WI is in freefall. Pakistan and SL have huge administration and corruption issues. NZ is a tiny country which got Bangla-washed 3 years ago and interest in cricket was dropping until this WC.

Structure matters. You can't just look at the current top 11 and make a prediction because these guys won't be playing in 10 years.

I am 99% sure that SA will have a better team than BD after 10 years. AB/Amla were not present when we started after re-admission and we were still the second best test side in 90s.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

They have a crop of good talented players coming up. But I doubt they can reach the top 3-4 I do think that they won't stay at 10 will probably go up to about 6-7. As Ind, NZ, Aus, SA, Pak, SL I dont see them getting ahead of these 6 they might get ahead of WI, ENg and Zim

 

[KevinFern]

Fun thread...will be interesting to see it getting bumped time to time after every series

 

[Enforcer]

Actually I expect most countries to go backwards. That's what happens when finances and popularity declines. It takes 20 years to show on the field. Bangladesh background situation has been improving for ten years, but it is only now that the ones who had better coaching and exposure since they were little kids are becoming old enough to play for the nation.

Players like Mushfiqur said they had to learn everything at international level with no domestic structure, no exposure and no great training when he was a kid. Their current crop of youngsters like Liton Das, Soumya Sarkar have had much more exposure and played multiple U-19 cups and been coached better.

People don't realize that the gap between South Africa and Bangladesh is just one or two special players. Don't believe me? Imagine AB and Amla were Bangladeshi. Do you think SA minus AB and Amla would beat a Bangladesh side that read Tamim, Amla, Soumya Sarkar, AB, Shakib, Mushfiqur, Mahmudullah? SA would suddenly read De Kock, Roussouw, Faf, Duminy, Miller, Parnell.

Seriously, which of those lineups do you think is better? Is there even a debate?

Even a side like Afghanistan or Ireland could look World Class with two or three elite players. There just isn't much quality difference between the average players on most sides, it's the top 3 or 4 players that generate the quality.

If you agree with what I wrote till now, consider this. In 10 years, AB, Amla, JP, Morne, Steyn will all be gone. Their replacements are the kids who are getting clobbered by Bangladesh U-19s....and those Bangladeshi kids will be the ones replacing the older Bangladeshi players (who are noticeably the weakest players in the BD side). I'm not making that up earlier. The biggest failures for Bangladesh were Tamim, Mashrafe and Imrul whereas SA's strongest players are AB, Morne, Amla, Duminy, Steyn, who will only last another 3 or 4 years.

Look at the pipeline, because that's where the truth will come out. Sure, Australia will be fine for years to come. England is low in the talent department and interest is plummeting. WI is in freefall. Pakistan and SL have huge administration and corruption issues. NZ is a tiny country which got Bangla-washed 3 years ago and interest in cricket was dropping until this WC.

Structure matters. You can't just look at the current top 11 and make a prediction because these guys won't be playing in 10 years.

What a poor analysis!!

Bangladesh has beaten SA u19 team in bangladesh , not in south africa or Australia . It is not surprising since these amateur southAfrican players are not used to these slow and low asian surfaces. But I believe with more 'A' tours and IPL exposure they will do well in Asia.

Lets not forget southAfrica is the reigning U19 world cup champions. And they won it in Dubai, where conditions are totally different
to that of southAfrica.

But somehow by winning some trivial ODIs at home, Bangladesh have better young talents than SouthAfrica. Bravo! I hope you will bring some more analysis like this to give me a chuckle.

At best,Bangladesh can only be better than srilanka and probably England in ODIs, in coming years. Nothing more than that

BTW I believe you are from Bengal, you support KKR if i am not wrong, and hence have a 'soft spot' for bangladesh cricket which is quite evident from your post.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

I am 99% sure that SA will have a better team than BD after 10 years. AB/Amla were not present when we started after re-admission and we were still the second best test side in 90s.

The point is such players were in the pipeline. Who are the promising young players who will replace the current guys? Go on. Tell me? Reeza Hendricks? Rassie van Dusen? Kagiso Rabada? And on top of this, their top white players would want to go elsewhere because of the discrimination that doesn't allow them to field their best sides. I defy people to tell me two players under the age of 21 who they think will become good players for SA later on? I could name an entire side for Australia and India, three or four for Pakistan and Bangladesh, but no SA name comes to my mind.

Secondly, a lot of people here dislike Bangladesh fans and their attitude but that has nothing to do with whether the team will develop or not. Even if the fans are obnoxious, the team can still be good.

I won't even bother to respond to 'genetics'. Being short is not a disadvantage, as Tendulkar, Sehwag and a few others would tell you. The genetics required for cricket are actually reflexes, wrist strength, hand eye which are things Bengalis tend to be very good at actually.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Hope they break the top 8.


Dont see them improving much away from him. They probably will beat western teams in bd but thats about it.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

What a poor analysis!!

Bangladesh has beaten SA u19 team in bangladesh , not in south africa or Australia . It is not surprising since these amateur southAfrican players are not used to these slow and low asian surfaces. But I believe with more 'A' tours and IPL exposure they will do well in Asia.

Lets not forget southAfrica is the reigning U19 world cup champions. And they won it in Dubai, where conditions are totally different
to that of southAfrica.

But somehow by winning some trivial ODIs at home, Bangladesh have better young talents than SouthAfrica. Bravo! I hope you will bring some more analysis like this to give me a chuckle.

At best,Bangladesh can only be better than srilanka and probably England in ODIs, in coming years. Nothing more than that

BTW I believe you are from Bengal, you support KKR if i am not wrong, and hence have a 'soft spot' for bangladesh cricket which is quite evident from your post.

I don't understand your logic, the fact that the team they are thrashing are reigning champions is somehow less impressive? I get that there's home advantage, but the way some Indian fans behave it's as though home matches don't even count or something? Guys like you are perfectly willing to criticize away performances so you should praise home too.

Secondly, I'm not saying present Bangladesh is good. I'm saying future Bangladesh will be good, so I haven't made any assessment that is unrealistic at this point.

This post will be kept ear-marked by me, for bumping. Most of BD issues will be resolved when the weak links in their side are replaced by stronger players.

Finally: Name to me which SA talents you think will become good players later, so we can track your claim. I can guarantee you Liton Das and Nazmul Hosain Shanto will become star players. Liton in particular, just needs to get that one chance to play. One doesn't need to be an expert to tell that a guy who averages 53 in FC at the age of 20 and 43.5 in List A with a high SR, that too in abysmal batting conditions is a special prospect. Tell me who in SA is the great prospect you see?

 

[Enforcer]

I don't understand your logic, the fact that the team they are thrashing are reigning champions is somehow less impressive? I get that there's home advantage, but the way some Indian fans behave it's as though home matches don't even count or something? Guys like you are perfectly willing to criticize away performances so you should praise home too.

Secondly, I'm not saying present Bangladesh is good. I'm saying future Bangladesh will be good, so I haven't made any assessment that is unrealistic at this point.

This post will be kept ear-marked by me, for bumping. Most of BD issues will be resolved when the weak links in their side are replaced by stronger players.

Finally: Name to me which SA talents you think will become good players later, so we can track your claim. I can guarantee you Liton Das and Nazmul Hosain Shanto will become star players. Liton in particular, just needs to get that one chance to play. One doesn't need to be an expert to tell that a guy who averages 53 in FC at the age of 20 and 43.5 in List A with a high SR, that too in abysmal batting conditions is a special prospect. Tell me who in SA is the great prospect you see?

I am not a saffa and neither I follow their domestic cricket. So i cant comment whether they have any great talent or not. But considering that they won the U-19 tournament recently, and that they won in Dubai, where conditions are quite opposite to the conditions back in southAfrica, this shows the level of talents southAfrica has.

And what bangladesh U-19 team have done so far?? They won some trivial matches in their home and some how they are better than SA u-19.The level of delusion from your post is just alarming!!

Bangladesh ended up at rank 9 in 2010,at rank 7 in 2012, at rank 9 in 2014. Unfortunately this the real status bangladesh's upcoming talents. And no matter how much you hype them up, by bringing some trivial matches they won in their home turf, truth will remain the same.

Let Bangladesh do something substantial in the next u-19 world cup, and i will be ready for the humble pie. But until then it just comical to claim that Bangladesh will be a better team than SouthAfrica after 10-20 years.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

I am not a saffa and neither I follow their domestic cricket. So i cant comment whether they have any great talent or not. But considering that they won the U-19 tournament recently, and that they won in Dubai, where conditions are quite opposite to the conditions back in southAfrica, this shows the level of talents southAfrica has.

And what bangladesh U-19 team have done so far?? They won some trivial matches in their home and some how they are better than SA u-19.The level of delusion from your post is just alarming!!

Bangladesh ended up at rank 9 in 2010,at rank 7 in 2012, at rank 9 in 2014. Unfortunately this the real status bangladesh's upcoming talents. And no matter how much you hype them up, by bringing some trivial matches they won in their home turf, truth will remain the same.

Let Bangladesh do something substantial in the next u-19 world cup, and i will be ready for the humble pie. But until then it just comical to claim that Bangladesh will be a better team than SouthAfrica after 10-20 years.

How is a home match trivial because it is at home? According to your logic every match is trivial because someone is at home. That's the most idiotic logic I've heard in a long while.

Clearly you're a very simplistic thinker, who is incapable of seeing even one day let alone ten years in the future. All you can see is things that are in front of you now. There's no point discussing something with a mind like yours.

 

[Energetic]

BD under-19 team have won recent AWAY series in SL and Windies.

 

[Sidilicious]

Don't see them being better than any team other than WI tbh. Whether we like it or not, genetics plays a major role in sports and genetically Bengalis are short. By no means am I being offensive and I apologise if I am, but a lot of the players are <5'5" I think.

You do realise that 2 of the greatest batsman - SRT and the Don - were about 5'5".

Height has nothing to do with your skill as a batsman, in fact it provides more stability due to a lower centre of gravity. Please think before you write such posts.

 

[Bewal Express]

BD has and will continue to find talented players but they will lack the will to work hard to nurture their talent and most importantly they will always be mentally weak. In many ways they are exactly like us.

 

[Usman Chadda]

: Bangladesh will still be mediocre, sorry OP. Bet even Bengali fans would cringe by some of the analysis by the OP

 

[Dios]

: Bangladesh will still be mediocre, sorry OP. Bet even Bengali fans would cringe by some of the analysis by the OP

OP is spot on. If you look at the core of the team now Mushfiqur(26), Shakib (28), Mahmudullah(29), Tamim(26) are just about enter the peak phase of their careers together. Then you have talented youngsters like Anamul, Soumya, Nasir and Shabbir to support them. And like OP mentioned Bangladesh has some very promising players waiting in the wings to make their debut:
Liton Das (should have been selected for this series but probably will be picked for the Tests and T20, quite possibly best batsman BD has produced to date)
Rony Talukdar (we'll get to see him in this series)
Nazmul Hossain Shanto (probably the best U19 batsman in the world and still only 16)
Mosaddek Hossain (talented all-rounder)
Shadman Islam (quality opening batsman)
Mustafizur Rahman (left-arm swing bowler)

These players will take BD to the top.

 

[Enforcer]

How is a home match trivial because it is at home? According to your logic every match is trivial because someone is at home. That's the most idiotic logic I've heard in a long while.

Clearly you're a very simplistic thinker, who is incapable of seeing even one day let alone ten years in the future. All you can see is things that are in front of you now. There's no point discussing something with a mind like yours.

So according to you if Team A beat Team B in their home , then team A has better talents than team B , doesn't matter if team B is reigning world champion and won it in neutral venue. ) what an analysis!! And No, i am too simple as person to believe this over the top analysis. I believe in facts and not in fantasies of a chauvinist. Thank you.

 

[Orbis]

They should be worrying more about losing their test status to Afghanistan and Ireland before making ridiculous statements such as this.

This is why everyone blasts the Bangladesh team when their fans have such unwarranted high expectations of the team. I find it hilarious how the fans come out in full force every match, start crying when the team starts losing and then leave early. I mean where the hell does this unreal expectation of the team come from?!

 

[CricketAnalyst]

So according to you if Team A beat Team B in their home , then team A has better talents than team B , doesn't matter if team B is reigning world champion and won it in neutral venue. ) what an analysis!! And No, i am too simple as person to believe this over the top analysis. I believe in facts and not in fantasies of a chauvinist. Thank you.

So, by some twisted logic, beating World Champs is meaningless, because World Champs must be good only at home or neutral venue? Also, as someone just pointed out they also won their last two away series.

I find it amusing how most of the people disagreeing here have the following rationale:

A) Hahaha! Bengalis!!!

B) Their fans are immature.

C) They won't be good in ten years time, because they aren't good now.

D) Bengalis have bad genetics.

Seriously classy responses guys.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

They should be worrying more about losing their test status to Afghanistan and Ireland before making ridiculous statements such as this.

This is why everyone blasts the Bangladesh team when their fans have such unwarranted high expectations of the team. I find it hilarious how the fans come out in full force every match, start crying when the team starts losing and then leave early. I mean where the hell does this unreal expectation of the team come from?!

Do you understand difference between ten year prediction, and prediction for a match tomorrow?

 

[Enforcer]

Do you understand difference between ten year prediction, and prediction for a match tomorrow?

Do understand difference U-19 player and player who are now playing for national team? IIRC shikhar Dhawan represented India back in U-19 WC in 2004. He established himself in India's national side after 9 years of long struggle, that is in 2013.

So similarly players from this champion U-19 South African team will represent the main team say after 3-9 years. so how after 10 years, team southAfrica will be any way inferior to Bangladesh? Do you have any logical answer to it?

Let Bangladesh win an U-19 world cup or even secure a final berth in an u-19 WC. Then we can claim that they have some terrific talents, who will be a force to reckon with ,say after 10 years.

But they haven't achieved anything and hence such claims are meaningless.

 

[Enforcer]

^you

 

[Executioner]

I can't really see ourselves improving miles. OP however does make a fair point by seeing that we may reach the top 5/6 atleast.

Why? Not only beacuse we are improving because others teams are getting weaker by the day. We should be able to surpass England, WI and maybe even SL- where the new crop of players haven't been upto the mark.

 

[Dios]

bump

 

[Executioner]

Will at least be better than azhar Ali led Pakistan side

 

[Frank Underwood]

Will at least be better than azhar Ali led Pakistan side

Yes, because a warm up match is the crux of all teams.

People need to open their eyes and look holistically, instead of looking at one offs.

Knee jerk reactions and tunnel vision, it is appalling that people judge based on an innings.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

This might happen sooner than 10 years. Seemed like a nice time to bump.

 

[Emperor2kings]

I can't really see ourselves improving miles. OP however does make a fair point by seeing that we may reach the top 5/6 atleast.

Why? Not only beacuse we are improving because others teams are getting weaker by the day. We should be able to surpass England, WI and maybe even SL- where the new crop of players haven't been upto the mark.

Talented players come and go. But if the system is the same BD won't be going anywhere. Cricket standards match with the countries economic and life standards. That is why countries like Australia,SA have been so successful for so long.

And as for SL, they have Sanath,Aravinda,Sanga,Murali to guide the young. What do BD have, Habibul Bashar ?

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Seems like an even better time for me to bump and for people to look at the way people reacted then.

 

[Executioner]

Talented players come and go. But if the system is the same BD won't be going anywhere. Cricket standards match with the countries economic and life standards. That is why countries like Australia,SA have been so successful for so long.

And as for SL, they have Sanath,Aravinda,Sanga,Murali to guide the young. What do BD have, Habibul Bashar ?

You don't need guidance. With Waqar and Wasim, Pakistan have failed to produce a quality left arm seamer except Amir who came out of no-where and no guidance.

 

[Dios]

Bangladesh are already a top 5 team in ODIs.

Just to reiterate. I think they are Top 4 now.

 

[hamid.s]

Just to reiterate. I think they are Top 4 now.

just to reiterate you are very wrong.

Aus,SA,IND,NZ,SL, and then the rest..

 

[Tamed Giraffe]

arent bangladesh a top 7 team now?

 

[Tamed Giraffe]

Just to reiterate. I think they are Top 4 now.

i saw that stat. That only took into account the recent matches. And BD only played 9 matches. Nonetheless they are playing very well in ODIs.

 

[Executioner]

Just to reiterate. I think they are Top 4 now.

Why not top team?

 

[CricketAnalyst]

just to reiterate you are very wrong.

Aus,SA,IND,NZ,SL, and then the rest..

I don't think SL are better now that Jaya and Sanga are gone and when Dilshan, Malinga and Herath go, they won't have a chance against this Bangla side.

 

[hamid.s]

I don't think SL are better now that Jaya and Sanga are gone and when Dilshan, Malinga and Herath go, they won't have a chance against this Bangla side.

we won't know until we play them and SL always comes across as a very professional unit. it will be interesting to see their team post sanga/jaya retirement.

 

[Pantani]

I don't think SL are better now that Jaya and Sanga are gone and when Dilshan, Malinga and Herath go, they won't have a chance against this Bangla side.

You can usually count on Sri Lanka to be ruthless against weaker opposition. That's one thing the team seems to specialise in - recording crushing victories when they are the favourites. Usually, the punching bags for Sri Lanka in ODI cricket have been England and Bangladesh, but it's interesting now, with those two sides improving; while Sri Lanka will be in decline for the next few years.

Bangladesh in my estimation are probably the fourth best ODI team around right now in head-to-head. Bringing up stuff like performance in Australia and South Africa doesn't matter (because Bangladesh can only realistically play those two teams away in those conditions. Bangladesh v India in Australia will never happen, so it makes no difference if India are a better team than Bangladesh outside the subcontinent), on a head-to-head basis, Bangladesh would beat every other Asian team at home and put up a strong fight away as well. I would also back them to beat England.

 

[Syed1]

Bangladesh may be a good or bad team.. but their fans are certainly the worst..

 

[Pantani]

There is such a huge gulf between Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa; and the Asian teams. All due respect to Bangladesh, this is their best team ever and they are certainly a quality outfit, but the other three Asian sides are at their lowest ebbs in about twenty years. So while saying they are fourth best might seem like they are being overhyped, they are still nowhere near the top three.

 

[cricfan14]

Bangladesh may be a good or bad team.. but their fans are certainly the worst..

You know that saying "act like you've been there before"? Bangladesh fans are just the worst, overhyping, flooding PP with posts about how they're the top Asian team, 4th best team in the world, blah blah blah. Their giddiness at calling themselves THE BEST EVER is so absurdly annoying.

 

[Belawal2014]

Bangladesh may be a good or bad team.. but their fans are certainly the worst..

Half of my disgust towards the BD team are their fans, and the other half is the cocky players in the side.

 

[Anik Sharma]

For me..India is worser than PAK

 

[hamid.s]

Half of my disgust towards the BD team are their fans, and the other half is the cocky players in the side.

some of the fans are really cringe worthy but that's what you get from a pop of 170-180 mil. there will be millions of stupid fans.

 

[Belawal2014]

some of the fans are really cringe worthy but that's what you get from a pop of 170-180 mil. there will be millions of stupid fans.

Very true, there are some really sensible Bangladeshi posters on PP, unfortunately not too many.

 

[Belawal2014]

For me..India is worser than PAK

In terms of what?

 

[hamid.s]

Very true, there are some really sensible Bangladeshi posters on PP, unfortunately not too many.

winning creates habit and time provides maturity. after that habit is established, the stupid posts will fade away. so just give it time. not all of us are bad lol..

 

[Couch Cricketer]

I think Bangladesh are already in the top 5-6. From 2012 asia cup I have always felt thay Banladesh have reached a similar place when it comes to talent as other top teams. But mentally the confidence and ability to win wasn't there.
Some people might curse the brash and in your face players that they are producing but Bangladesh needs these kinds of players to remove the psychology of the defeated. Ganguly his aggressiveness and brashness did it for India after India lost it in the 90s. Ranatunga did something similar for SL.
Now we are seeing something similar happening for Bangladesh with players like Shakib.

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[jabarjabar]

Definitely maturing into a top side at home. Now they need to sort out abroad, which will take a long time.

 

[Executioner]

The key for our LOI side is that we have 7 quality batsman in our lineup, and Riad/Anamul on the sidelines going to show how good our team has become. Also, we field 5 bowlers, yes 5 proper bowlers thanks to Shakib. As a fielding unit we are right up there.

However, our tail is not the strongest even with Mashrafe and Mushfiq's keeping is worrisome. Otherwise we have checked most things needed for a decent ODI side. But dearly, we need to do well in tests.

 

[Enforcer]

There was no need to bump this thread.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Bangladesh may be a good or bad team.. but their fans are certainly the worst..

No worse than Pakistani, Indian or Afghan fans. All cut from the same cloth.

 

[hadi123]

Well they have beaten India in a series now. I reckon they will beat South Africa 3-2. The real test will be how they play outside of Bangladesh. If they start to display convincing performances away from home then they could be a top team.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Prediction : They will continue to be mediocre and will still be considered minnows 10 years on.

Not even 10 months on and your dismissive post is proved wrong.

 

[Enforcer]

Not even 10 months on and your dismissive post is proved wrong.

Nothing has proven wrong. Bangladesh has been impressive, but they have to do something substantial outside their home. Like wining a series in england or in NZ or something similar to that. Then only i will consider him a top class side.

 

[Shaan]

Nothing has proven wrong. Bangladesh has been impressive, but they have to do something substantial outside their home. Like wining a series in england or in NZ or something similar to that. Then only i will consider him a top class side.

My friend we are on the way to take any challenge on outside asia as well, now when we beat the mighty India convincingly my guts feeling s has increased that we are ready for any challenge anywhere. India is the best team in asian condition they can eat any team day night at this condition but the way our team has consecutively beaten india in last two matches i am sure we are already on the right level of the game. Now its just looking forward not backward. Yest true we are not world beater or but we are just entering into asian big team tag soon, may be within two years. All is good !

 

[Pak_Jazba]

Bangladesh right now are pretty similar to what Sri Lanka was back in the early 90s i.e. transforming itself into a major side from being a minnow for past many years.
You won't expect them to beat Aus/Saf in overseas conditions. But then you don't expect that from India/Pak/SL too. Its more of an upset if any of the asian teams beats Aus/Saf/Eng in their own conditions. Therefore, you have to apply the same to Bangladesh. Some people need to come out of their evergreen delusions that Bangladesh will remain a minnow forever and see how theyve been performing at the U19 level recently. They can break into the Top 6 if they play more games at home in the coming years.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

My friend we are on the way to take any challenge on outside asia as well, now when we beat the mighty India convincingly my guts feeling s has increased that we are ready for any challenge anywhere. India is the best team in asian condition they can eat any team day night at this condition but the way our team has consecutively beaten india in last two matches i am sure we are already on the right level of the game. Now its just looking forward not backward. Yest true we are not world beater or but we are just entering into asian big team tag soon, may be within two years. All is good !

You have beaten India which is very good but this is a very garbage out of form team.

I am not taking credit away from your guys (Mustafiz makes India look garbage so kudos) but at the same time, this is not a murderous India that you have trounced.

Pakistan ripped us apart 2-1 in 2012 too after which whole team changed and we went to have the 2nd best WL records from 2013 with CT final, tri series and WC semi final position.

This team has too many passengers now like 2012.

Jaddu is not the same.
Rahane is useless.
Kohli out of form.
Dhoni over the hill.

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

The OP absolutely owned almost the whole PP here.
Hats off.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Time for another bump to see the kind of reactions I received when I said this.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

I think they already are in the top 6 if not 5. They are better than Pak, Wi, SL, Zim below Ind, Aus, SA, NZ and Eng (Under Morgan)

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[joly]

They are already in top5 dude

 

[Executioner]

CA's prediction seem good. BD are ahead of WI, SL, Pak perhaps