PSL has proven that Mickey Arthur is a poor coach

[asifp]

One would say that being coach of Pakistan and having all the intelligence he would have an unfair advantage but his Karachi Kings team has been without direction every season he has been incharge.

It has proven that he is a coach who has
1. no direction
2. poor planning
3. does not know how to build a team
4. no understanding of the local players
5. inability to connect with the local guys

His team has not even made the final once. There is a reason the owners have no issue with him being coach, they know he is a liability for Karachi.

On the other hand the PSL has shown that our coach should Dean Jones. His passion is on display. He was an amazing ODI player and clearly knows the game a lot better than useless Mickey

 

[Savak]

One would say that being coach of Pakistan and having all the intelligence he would have an unfair advantage but his Karachi Kings team has been without direction every season he has been incharge.

It has proven that he is a coach who has
1. no direction
2. poor planning
3. does not know how to build a team
4. no understanding of the local players
5. inability to connect with the local guys

His team has not even made the final once. There is a reason the owners have no issue with him being coach, they know he is a liability for Karachi.

On the other hand the PSL has shown that our coach should Dean Jones. His passion is on display. He was an amazing ODI player and clearly knows the game a lot better than useless Mickey

Not sure if Dean Jones will be interested in a long term appointment, there is a difference coaching for one month and then having to commit for 3 plus years.

 

[pakistani pride]

Really shocked at how poor their batting is. I mean who is the genius behind this batting line up? Its Babar or collapse.

 

[Markhor]

Pensioners Super League is not the place to judge any coach. What is Mickey meant to do when his backups include folks like Jaahid Ali who possesses tailender limited overs stats yet was picked because Rashid Latif has a soft spot for him ?

 

[Syed1]

Pathetic coach....

 

[pakistani pride]

Pensioners Super League is not the place to judge any coach. What is Mickey meant to do when his backups include folks like Jaahid Ali who possesses tailender limited overs stats yet was picked because Rashid Latif has a soft spot for him ?

Film khatam bhi ho gay?

 

[asifp]

Pensioners Super League is not the place to judge any coach. What is Mickey meant to do when his backups include folks like Jaahid Ali who possesses tailender limited overs stats yet was picked because Rashid Latif has a soft spot for him ?

He is supposed to give input into which player to draft. Ideally he should know who all the top local players are. I bet Mickey does not even know who Saud Shakeel is.

Point is its clear he has no understanding of our local game and just takes what he is given. He should be active with the Kings management to develop a good team.

He is being outdone by literally every coach except the Lahore Qalandars guy

 

[Varun]

Not sure if Dean Jones will be interested in a long term appointment, there is a difference coaching for one month and then having to commit for 3 plus years.

From what I recall, Dean Jones always throws his hat into the ring when Pakistan are coach hunting. He should be given the job for perseverance alone.

 

[asifp]

From what I recall, Dean Jones always throws his hat into the ring when Pakistan are coach hunting. He should be given the job for perseverance alone.

Exactly, Deano has expressed multiple times he would love the Pakistan job. Mickey looks so lost as a coach it is ridiculous. He is a mercenary just getting paid.

I wish Kings could a winner as a coach. Someone like Warne (pipe dream), but at least trying for Jason Gillespie. People who know what it means to be a winner

 

[Greenstorm]

Dean Jones should be appointed Pakistan's head coach after this world cup. Mickey is decent but not great.

 

[Markhor]

He is supposed to give input into which player to draft. Ideally he should know who all the top local players are. I bet Mickey does not even know who Saud Shakeel is.

Point is its clear he has no understanding of our local game and just takes what he is given. He should be active with the Kings management to develop a good team.

He is being outdone by literally every coach except the Lahore Qalandars guy

Coaches can only be as good as the environment they are in. Dean Jones is backed up by two excellent analysts at IU who are full-time Pakistani cricket journalists who keep close track of domestic cricket.

Whereas Mickey cannot keep tabs on the young local talent when he's on the road for most of the year with the national team.

Karachi Kings problems won't change under a new coach unless they change their recruitment system. Relying on people like Rashid Latif who don't have a clue about data or analytics but select on personal likes/dislikes is doomed to fail.

 

[Markhor]

Pathetic coach....

So what's the solution ? Bringing back Waqar "I'll play four pacers on a square turner" Younis ?

 

[Syed1]

So what's the solution ? Bringing back Waqar "I'll play four pacers on a square turner" Younis ?

Haha that is only argument you have in Mickey's favour.


"Atleast he is not as bad as Waqar"....... Didn't know we are paying him bucket tons of money to just be minutely better than Waqar




And weren't you skipping out on this years TTF League?

 

[Chokli]

umer khan didn't even bowl )

 

[Plumb]

umer khan didn't even bowl )

mind boggling.. what was his role in the team... KK going downhill and losing fans

 

[asifp]

Coaches can only be as good as the environment they are in. Dean Jones is backed up by two excellent analysts at IU who are full-time Pakistani cricket journalists who keep close track of domestic cricket.

Whereas Mickey cannot keep tabs on the young local talent when he's on the road for most of the year with the national team.

Karachi Kings problems won't change under a new coach unless they change their recruitment system. Relying on people like Rashid Latif who don't have a clue about data or analytics but select on personal likes/dislikes is doomed to fail.

Whats stopping him from getting the same support? He can suggest to the owner, I need XYZ to make things work. You don't think Dean Jones had an input into creating that setup...

Your comment just reemphasized my point, that Mickey has no vision on how to make a team

 

[The Viper]

I really think the batting is just really weak. Unless the openers fire, KK struggle. Rizwan struggles to find the boundary and others like Ingram haven’t fired.

 

[Markhor]

Haha that is only argument you have in Mickey's favour.


"Atleast he is not as bad as Waqar"....... Didn't know we are paying him bucket tons of money to just be minutely better than Waqar




And weren't you skipping out on this years TTF League?

I don't need to compare with Waqar. Is going from 9th to 5th in the ODI rankings and 7th to 1st in T20 rankings, plus an ICC tournament victory, not progress from struggling to qualify even for the 2019 World Cup ?

You cannot judge a quality of a coach when they have little say over their talent pool, on these appalling anti-cricket UAE pitches, over the course of a month's cricket. Mickey should be judged on his international record, not a T20 league.

Yes I have stopped tuning into full matches after the two games. I'd prefer watching something more entertaining than journeymen cricketers and mediocre overseas players sidelining promising Pakistani youngsters compete on anti-cricket pitches in front of half empty stands. I am keeping up to date on here instead. I refuse to allow jingoism to blind my objective judgement - I would criticise if this was an English, West Indian or Sri Lankan league.

I hate seeing this tremendous opportunity that is PSL to showcase Pakistani talent and give our youngsters invaluable learning experiences wasted like this.

 

[Markhor]

Whats stopping him from getting the same support? He can suggest to the owner, I need XYZ to make things work. You don't think Dean Jones had an input into creating that setup...

Your comment just reemphasized my point, that Mickey has no vision on how to make a team

I'm sure he has some input but how wise is it to judge a coach that doesn't have full control over recruitment nor coaches all of these players all-year round, that MUST play four overseas players regardless of ability, on the basis of performances over four weeks on these appalling surfaces for cricket.

There are valid criticisms of Mickey's tactics in UAE in the Pakistan job, and that's what he should be judged on, not this league.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Micky, Waseem and Salman Iqbal don't know anything about domestic cricket. KK runs talent hunt programs, not because they are eager to find talent but because other teams are doing it and they don't want ppl to call them out for their lack their relative lack of investment. They don't care about cricket. They only signed Waseem and Mickey because one is a star and the other is always in the news. PSL is just a PR stunt for ARY.

 

[Mamoon]

I am not the right person to judge Mickey Arthur's stint in PSL as an outsider, but I have always had this feeling that he does not care about it at all.

At times, he comes across as borderline unprofessional - he barely talks about winning the tournament or doing well and spends most of the time talking about how the PSL is a platform to identify new players for Pakistan, and how coaching in the PSL enables him to take a close look at the young players in the league.

I feel that he doesn't really care about the Karachi Kings franchise and is getting paid for being a glorified scout for the national team. Salman Iqbal probably feels differently which is why he is still the coach, but we can expect him to get fired if he fails to make the finals this time around as well.

 

[Hasan123]

He's done well at intentional level for South Africa and Pakistan, I wouldn't read too much into his PSL stint. I doubt he has much to do with the recruitment of players.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

KK has most Pakistani National team players and despite that they are pathetic.

Shows you how good Sarfraz is as a t20 captain and gets undue criticism.

I am 100% sure we would have won the SA t20 series if Sarfraz was there.

 

[Saj]

Those praising Dean Jones......IU are hardly setting the world alight.

 

[DRsohail]

Those praising Dean Jones......IU are hardly setting the world alight.

Have been champion two times.

 

[Saj]

Have been champion two times.

I could have won PSL twice with that squad

 

[Titan24]

Those praising Dean Jones......IU are hardly setting the world alight.

Not till now in this edition but they have won 2 out of 3 editions.

 

[Titan24]

I could have won PSL twice with that squad

They had a decent squad since edition 1 but not a squad everyone would say will win the tournament. It wasnt convincingly better than the others with regards to squad alone. And even if the squad was good credit has to be given to management for selecting those players in the squad and having a proper plan.

 

[DRsohail]

I could have won PSL twice with that squad

Who have selected that squad?? It matters... being coach And keeping eye on local talent using local talent is another thing.Micky use of local talent has been awful.

 

[gazza619]

You dont need a coach in a t20 game lol

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Mickey has all the resources but still his squad selection is poor.

Cant believe Babar had a hard time for KK under Mickey while in internationals he is a gun batsman.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Micky, Waseem and Salman Iqbal don't know anything about domestic cricket. KK runs talent hunt programs, not because they are eager to find talent but because other teams are doing it and they don't want ppl to call them out for their lack their relative lack of investment. They don't care about cricket. They only signed Waseem and Mickey because one is a star and the other is always in the news. PSL is just a PR stunt for ARY.

Good post. Agree!

KK is the worst when it comes to domestic players.

All the do is pick known Pakistani National players.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

Exactly, Deano has expressed multiple times he would love the Pakistan job. Mickey looks so lost as a coach it is ridiculous. He is a mercenary just getting paid.

I wish Kings could a winner as a coach. Someone like Warne (pipe dream), but at least trying for Jason Gillespie. People who know what it means to be a winner

Would love to see him as national coach. His passion and the way he's been leading Islamabad...Take a bow.

 

[Pete Rose]

One would say that being coach of Pakistan and having all the intelligence he would have an unfair advantage but his Karachi Kings team has been without direction every season he has been incharge.

It has proven that he is a coach who has
1. no direction
2. poor planning
3. does not know how to build a team
4. no understanding of the local players
5. inability to connect with the local guys

His team has not even made the final once. There is a reason the owners have no issue with him being coach, they know he is a liability for Karachi.

On the other hand the PSL has shown that our coach should Dean Jones. His passion is on display. He was an amazing ODI player and clearly knows the game a lot better than useless Mickey

While its valid to debate mickey arthur's coaching prowess....I have been here long enough for fans to be pining for lawson, whatmore to be coaches. both their stints did not go well. The former because of Ijaz Butt and the latter because he had mediocre results.
Happy to add dean jones to that heap as well.

 

[Pete Rose]

Would love to see him as national coach. His passion and the way he's been leading Islamabad...Take a bow.

passion as a metric for coaching. awesome

 

[srh]

You dont need a coach in a t20 game lol

This. OP is confusing coach's job with selectors. KK has poor selection although Mickey is a poor coach but he should not be blamed for selectors blunders.

 

[srh]

I would definitely blame Mickey for losing the winnable match to Lahore by sending Rizwan at #3. What the hell he was thinking

 

[Hawkeye]

Mickey is quite clueless in the national side as well.

We can do better.

But anyway, these fun T20 leagues don't matter and a coach can't do a lot here.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He's done well at intentional level for South Africa and Pakistan, I wouldn't read too much into his PSL stint. I doubt he has much to do with the recruitment of players.

Im sorry but this is just false. Mickey was the reason SA started winning consistently 2007 onwards. Without Mickey , Pakistan would be struggling in ODIS.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The only valid criticism of Mickey is probably the fact that he wants to play 3 pacers regardless of conditions. He loves his pace bowlers and likes to develop teams around a world class fast bowling attack. Unfortunately, Pakistan don't have the kind of bowlers that SA develop and neither do the pitches in the UAE offer anything . This is his only real fault.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

passion as a metric for coaching. awesome

What I mean is he seriously wants to win and see the boys do well. And he also brought in the likes of Faheem in Shadab. Mickey on the other hand knows how to grin from ear to ear when we're winning and hold his head and make those faces he makes whenever our batting collapses (not that he's a really bad coach or anything). What I mean is Deano can regularly motivate this team while also bringing in youngsters and whatnot in the national team if he were to coach them.

 

[Abdullah719]

Mickey has all the resources but still his squad selection is poor.

Cant believe Babar had a hard time for KK under Mickey while in internationals he is a gun batsman.

Mickey wasn't really involved in KK's selections during the draft tbh. It was mainly left to the others like Rashid Latif.

 

[Greenstorm]

Main issue of KKs and LQs are their owners. They do not operate professionally and the performances of their teams are a reflection of that. Islamabad is the most professionally run franchise hence their success.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

Mickey wasn't really involved in KK's selections during the draft tbh. It was mainly left to the others like Rashid Latif.

And we all knew how that was going to go...

Mickey is decent with the international team and all but with KK he just seems to not have much of a say and just not care about the team in general. And unfortunately for the past year or so I think that attitude has bled into his national team performance too. Except for Eng & IR tour (where we almost got embarrassed by Ireland) he didn't seem to be doing much work. The SL series of 2017 was horrible and he didn't do much about that. Last year's NZ series we got beaten pretty badly in the first game (it was close but we should've won) and he did very little to fix the problem for the rest of the series.

Like I mentioned on another thread our Test team has become Yasir or bust and he doesn't seem to be doing much to fix that problem.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

So what's the solution ? Bringing back Waqar "I'll play four pacers on a square turner" Younis ?

I think you are talking about 2016 T20 Pak vs India? IMO no team could have defend 118 even if they have 11 spinners.

If Waqar have had the same monopoly then today's Pakistan team could have been in a better shape.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Mickey wasn't really involved in KK's selections during the draft tbh. It was mainly left to the others like Rashid Latif.

Thats what i meant, he should have some say in selection.

Recently he said PSL will provide players for Pakistan in world cup then why not put some effort and consult others in squa selection too.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Mickey wasn't really involved in KK's selections during the draft tbh. It was mainly left to the others like Rashid Latif.

Sorry shouldnt have wrote his*
I meant KK instead.

 

[Markhor]

Im sorry but this is just false. Mickey was the reason SA started winning consistently 2007 onwards. Without Mickey , Pakistan would be struggling in ODIS.

Well said. Also bear in mind Sarfraz's woeful captaincy. The captain has a much more influential role than the coach.

 

[dragon751]

Well said. Also bear in mind Sarfraz's woeful captaincy. The captain has a much more influential role than the coach.

mickey is the best thing to have happened to pak cricket

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Dont understand what has Mickey's SA stint has to do with his stint with Pakistan.

There are instances in past where one coach was good for one country and not so good for another country. We are talking about Pakistan. We have different setup, different players, different structure etc and maybe is more suited for a country like SA hence not as successful here.

I like Mickey, he has done well for Pak imo, and have always said that him and Sarfraz should be given full authority and confidence till world cup and still of the same opinion but why is it so hard fore few to get that Mickey has been below par for Karachi Kings in last 4 seasons despite having a star studded team. Along with Aqib he has been pathetic to be honest. Atleast Lahore Qalandars gave us Shaheen while Mickey's Karachi Kings hasnt done anything of notice.

 

[Savak]

Dont understand what has Mickey's SA stint has to do with his stint with Pakistan.

There are instances in past where one coach was good for one country and not so good for another country. We are talking about Pakistan. We have different setup, different players, different structure etc and maybe is more suited for a country like SA hence not as successful here.

I like Mickey, he has done well for Pak imo, and have always said that him and Sarfraz should be given full authority and confidence till world cup and still of the same opinion but why is it so hard fore few to get that Mickey has been below par for Karachi Kings in last 4 seasons despite having a star studded team. Along with Aqib he has been pathetic to be honest. Atleast Lahore Qalandars gave us Shaheen while Mickey's Karachi Kings hasnt done anything of notice.

Not sure how much justice Mickey Arthur can do the KK role when he is heavily involved with the Pakistani team throughout the year, maybe KK will be better off getting a full time coach?

Mickey Arthur says he only accepted the KK role as it allowed him to have a closer look at the domestic players.

 

[Savak]

Main issue of KKs and LQs are their owners. They do not operate professionally and the performances of their teams are a reflection of that. Islamabad is the most professionally run franchise hence their success.

I would say Javed Afridi has run his franchise the best, you can tell everyone in the PZ camp loves it there

 

[asifp]

His team is a mess and KK has not given Pakistan one good player

The fact he is using PSL to decide who plays for Pakistan in ODI and Test is crazy and show his thinking as a coach.

Why does Shan Masood have to do well in PSL to get in the ODI team?

It’s the wrong message he is sending to the Pakistani players. If he wants to know domestic players maybe he should go to a game or two at the domestic level.

 

[Pete Rose]

His team is a mess and KK has not given Pakistan one good player

The fact he is using PSL to decide who plays for Pakistan in ODI and Test is crazy and show his thinking as a coach.

Why does Shan Masood have to do well in PSL to get in the ODI team?

It’s the wrong message he is sending to the Pakistani players. If he wants to know domestic players maybe he should go to a game or two at the domestic level.

Do you know for a fact that Shan Masood is not selected for odi squad because he is expected to perform in PSL to get the nod?

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Mickey wasn't really involved in KK's selections during the draft tbh. It was mainly left to the others like Rashid Latif.

Yup, and they havent delivered.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Mickey backing the wrong horses in Imad Wasim, Rizwan, Shinwari etc.

Serious questions should be asked if KK again end up among the last 2 teams.

4 seasons and no performance.

 

[Hasan123]

Im sorry but this is just false. Mickey was the reason SA started winning consistently 2007 onwards. Without Mickey , Pakistan would be struggling in ODIS.

What ? I am defending Mickey. I realise what he has contributed to Pakistan and South African cricket.

 

[Abdullah719]

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Pensioners Super League is not the place to judge any coach. What is Mickey meant to do when his backups include folks like Jaahid Ali who possesses tailender limited overs stats yet was picked because Rashid Latif has a soft spot for him ?

Compared to IU, KK has better bowling and batting unit + foreign players. Look at the middle order of IU and KK.. IF ronchi fails their middle order cannot survive but they have shown great character and courage to lift them team up. Very much impressed by DJs team. Now the myth of MISBAH and Wasim behind the team were busted.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Mickey backing the wrong horses in Imad Wasim, Rizwan, Shinwari etc.

Serious questions should be asked if KK again end up among the last 2 teams.

4 seasons and no performance.

He always does that, not good or bold enough to sit the big guns. On the other hand DJ made the captains to relax and warm the bench MISBAH sit out last season and today Sami. Looks like IU under DJ is more relaxed dug out.

 

[asifp]

He is just clueless and useless. 4 seasons and his team is a mess.I am so unlukcy, he is the coach of Pakistan and then Karachi.

I could even do a better job than him of selecting the right players. He is is only earning the $$$$

 

[asifp]

Dean Jones gave Shahdab captaincy today. Now this is a coach that knows how to back his young players and develop them. If Micky had a chance he would rope in Asad and Azhar for the Karachi Kings team.

United gave us Shahdab and Fahim, now he is giving chances to Rizwan Hussain, Musa, Sahibzada.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Not only PSL, but his selections at international level have also been mind boggling to say the least, especially in Test cricket.

Playing 4 Fast Bowlers in Asia Cup that is being held in UAE and 3 Fast Bowlers in Test series over there.


Selecting Yasir Shah in SENA over and over again, despite him failing each time.

Favouring a bowler like Usman Shinwari over other bowlers.

Not giving the New ball to Hasan Ali in any format, when in PSL he has regularly struck upfront.

Sticking with Shoaib Malik and not giving other youngsters a chance to play.

Playing hacks like Asif, Faheem and Talat in ODIs.

Not playing Shan Masood in a single ODI in South Africa, and now probably he will never get a chance.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Keeps opening the bowling with Faheem and keeps playing Yasir in ODIs