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"PSL second only to IPL" : Ramiz Raja

Do you like Pakistan?

It is like asking if I like my parents. Pakistan is my country and part of my identity. I can leave Pakistan forever and never return, but that will not change who I am, and where I belong to.

However, that does not mean that I should close my eyes and become oblivious to the fact that it is a failing country with a dark future, and the cricket team is heading in the same direction.

If your parents are bad people, you would still love them. However, your love should not prevent you from accepting that they are bad people.
 
Yes, would, could and should is irritating, but if if if is not.

Unfortunately for Amir, India would not always play Pakistan on green-tops, and nor would all of their batsmen fail on a flat track every day.

India wipes the floor with Pakistan in all formats. Accept the reality. period.

Uhmm no why shoulf I accept your reality?
I would back winners like Fakhar, Shadab, Amir, hassan and captain to beat India on any given day.

You accept that. Period.
 
The sudden influx of insecure Pakistan fans on this forum is sad to see. India is a better team than Pakistan at the moment, but I see Pakistan beating India in major encounters now. There's just something about the younger guys, who have no fear and no excess baggage from past defeats. Seeing as how Pakistan and India only play one-off matches now, I see Pakistan being quite successful against India in the near future.

Having said that, PSL is not comparable to IPL or BBL to be honest. Franchises need to start spending serious money to attract the best players in the world.
 
No it doesnt, it just means there are too many players and not enough spaces. If there was no limit on foriegn players, they would have been picked as the Indians are of average quality.

Yes the same 'average' players have helped India become one of the top teams in the world for years now. Yes it is about too many players and not enough spaces. You are right, but I would rephrase that to too many world class players so some of them have to sit out.

In the PSL, we have a pool of rubbish foreign players, of which we pick a few quality expired players like Sangakkara and Pietersen, players that the PSL would happily trade for the contemporary world class players.

Every game between the two is significant which is why hundreds of millions of Indians watch any India -Pak match an which is why they are very upset when India lose. Pak beat India in the last major match in the final of the CT and Pak beat India in the previous bilateral series too. It;s just your claim as an Indian loving person, India are way ahead.

Of course Pakistan vs India is a significant match. Indian cricket is far ahead now, but that does not mean that the sentiments of the common folks have changed. It is a geopolitical rivalry and it will always be there.

Pakistan and India last played a bilateral in 2012/13 when India was in transition. They have beaten us regularly over the last few years because they are the better team. You can live in your own world where Pakistan is better than India, but the reality is contrary to what you hope for. I can also wish and hope for many things, but facts are facts.

My views do not echo that of Indians. They are my own. However, if the majority of the people in Pakistan disagree with you and hate you, then it means that you are probably right. I am not saying that people in Pakistan hate me, I am only referring to PPers here.

The problem with people like you is that you only hear what you want to hear, and when you are cornered, you are quick to resort to ad hominem and try to get away by calling me Indian.
 
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Uhmm no why shoulf I accept your reality?
I would back winners like Fakhar, Shadab, Amir, hassan and captain to beat India on any given day.

You accept that. Period.

Yes do not accept the reality. Live in your world where Pakistan is a better team than India across formats. At the end of the day, it is all about being happy. If this is what makes you happy, be my guest.
 
The sudden influx of insecure Pakistan fans on this forum is sad to see. India is a better team than Pakistan at the moment, but I see Pakistan beating India in major encounters now. There's just something about the younger guys, who have no fear and no excess baggage from past defeats. Seeing as how Pakistan and India only play one-off matches now, I see Pakistan being quite successful against India in the near future.

Having said that, PSL is not comparable to IPL or BBL to be honest. Franchises need to start spending serious money to attract the best players in the world.

Balanced post.
 
I think the Indian perspective is that the Pakistani economy cannot even come close to competing with the IPL and that Pakistan just does not have the high net worth individuals with the wealth to dabble in the PSL. Sure we may not be able to beat the IPL at this time but there is no reason why the PSL cannot be the second best T-20 league in the world after the IPL and Pakistan has the high net worth individuals who can afford to pay salaries of $500,000, $750,000 and maybe even $1,000,000 to attract the top players like Finch, Maxwell, Warner, Stokes, Miller and co.

In the first season these individuals would understandably been very risk averse and apprehensive about investing in a project no one had the guts/balls to undertake but now the PSL is well underway and has proven that it can succeed when money is pumped into it.

The PCB chairman, the marketing committee needs to aggressively target these high net worth individuals using all available tools i.e. business feasibility, patriotism, trickle down benefits to Pakistani Cricket, Economy e.t.c.
 
I think the Indian perspective is that the Pakistani economy cannot even come close to competing with the IPL and that Pakistan just does not have the high net worth individuals with the wealth to dabble in the PSL. Sure we may not be able to beat the IPL at this time but there is no reason why the PSL cannot be the second best T-20 league in the world after the IPL and Pakistan has the high net worth individuals who can afford to pay salaries of $500,000, $750,000 and maybe even $1,000,000 to attract the top players like Finch, Maxwell, Warner, Stokes, Miller and co.

In the first season these individuals would understandably been very risk averse and apprehensive about investing in a project no one had the guts/balls to undertake but now the PSL is well underway and has proven that it can succeed when money is pumped into it.

The PCB chairman, the marketing committee needs to aggressively target these high net worth individuals using all available tools i.e. business feasibility, patriotism, trickle down benefits to Pakistani Cricket, Economy e.t.c.

So where are these guys and why they are not paying the money? Saying all this doesnot make it happen in the real world. Forbes estimate 100 billionaires in india in USD terms there are many more billion dollar companies. When you have many potential investors then some will invest, when there are few such investors you will have issues like you have in PSL, a small salary cap.

People wont throw 100cr pkr just because they have it.

PSLs per year tv rights deal is 5mn. How will it support such huge salaries? Only league offering million dollar salaries is ipl and their per year tv rights deal is 500mn. Ecb is coming up with their league and bbl all have much higher per year broadcast deals close to 100mn per year. Will psl jump to that from 5mn?

Pcb chairman knows the limitation of psl and is playing within it. Can you tell me why psl hasnt declared their profit loss for psl 2?
 
So where are these guys and why they are not paying the money? Saying all this doesnot make it happen in the real world. Forbes estimate 100 billionaires in india in USD terms there are many more billion dollar companies. When you have many potential investors then some will invest, when there are few such investors you will have issues like you have in PSL, a small salary cap.

People wont throw 100cr pkr just because they have it.

The PSL venture was always risky. It was talked about by the PCB in 2011-12 but then PCB officials didn't have the balls to under take it because they knew that Pakistan was in no position to host an international game in Pakistan, that foreign players in general were not going to come to Pakistan, that having poor quality foreign players would not go down well with the broad casters and after spending a lot of money decided to shelve the idea.

Najam Sethi on the other hand while acknowledging so many risks and uncertainties involved had the approach whether risky or not, whether the league will make money or not, the PCB has to take the risk and do it even if the league cannot be played in Pakistan.

In 2015 when the PCB first invited bids for PSL Franchises, they were expecting atleast 10-15 interested parties but only only 5-7 parties showed up. All of them offered very low bids for the teams but Sethi personally implored them to increase their bids by $500,000 to $1,000,000 each using the patriotism angle, the fact that Pakistan needs a league of this nature to highlights its soft image to the world, to show the world about our passion for cricket and the franchise owners obliged.

The business model of the PSL is that each Franchise has to pay an annual fee to the PCB for the next 10 years

Karachi Kings has to pay $2.6 million per year

Lahore Qalanders has to pay $2.5 million per year

Islamabad United has to pay $1.6 million per year

Peshawar Zalmi has to pay $1.5 million per year

Quetta Gladiators has to pay $1.1 million per year

These are the amounts in accordance with the 10 year agreements signed with the PCB in 2015. Because the PSL was felt to be very risky, uncertain TV broadcasters did not give the PCB a very high amount for it either.

In 2017 when the PCB Launched the 6th team Multan Sultans in comparison to 2015 this time there were 30 interested parties who came to bid for the 6th team and the PCB sold the 6th team to Schon group where they have agreed to pay the PCB $5.2 million per year for the next 8 years. This is progression and proof that now more interested parties are convinced that the PSL is not as risky to get involved in as first thought. If the PCB launches the 7th and 8th team in the future it is for certain they can get much better deals in the future.

Overall the PCB will get $15 million from the PSL Franchises and this money is used to host the PSL and anything left over is used by the PCB for undertaking development activities from cricket in the country.

Bottom line the PSL has potential to grow especially considering that the top most rich Pakistani's who number 40-50 haven't even gotten involved yet. How to engage them, how to attract and convince them is up to the PCB, the success of the PSL and the PSL coming back home for sure.
 
The PSL venture was always risky. It was talked about by the PCB in 2011-12 but then PCB officials didn't have the balls to under take it because they knew that Pakistan was in no position to host an international game in Pakistan, that foreign players in general were not going to come to Pakistan, that having poor quality foreign players would not go down well with the broad casters and after spending a lot of money decided to shelve the idea.

Najam Sethi on the other hand while acknowledging so many risks and uncertainties involved had the approach whether risky or not, whether the league will make money or not, the PCB has to take the risk and do it even if the league cannot be played in Pakistan.

In 2015 when the PCB first invited bids for PSL Franchises, they were expecting atleast 10-15 interested parties but only only 5-7 parties showed up. All of them offered very low bids for the teams but Sethi personally implored them to increase their bids by $500,000 to $1,000,000 each using the patriotism angle, the fact that Pakistan needs a league of this nature to highlights its soft image to the world, to show the world about our passion for cricket and the franchise owners obliged.

The business model of the PSL is that each Franchise has to pay an annual fee to the PCB for the next 10 years

Karachi Kings has to pay $2.6 million per year

Lahore Qalanders has to pay $2.5 million per year

Islamabad United has to pay $1.6 million per year

Peshawar Zalmi has to pay $1.5 million per year

Quetta Gladiators has to pay $1.1 million per year

These are the amounts in accordance with the 10 year agreements signed with the PCB in 2015. Because the PSL was felt to be very risky, uncertain TV broadcasters did not give the PCB a very high amount for it either.

In 2017 when the PCB Launched the 6th team Multan Sultans in comparison to 2015 this time there were 30 interested parties who came to bid for the 6th team and the PCB sold the 6th team to Schon group where they have agreed to pay the PCB $5.2 million per year for the next 8 years. This is progression and proof that now more interested parties are convinced that the PSL is not as risky to get involved in as first thought. If the PCB launches the 7th and 8th team in the future it is for certain they can get much better deals in the future.

Overall the PCB will get $15 million from the PSL Franchises and this money is used to host the PSL and anything left over is used by the PCB for undertaking development activities from cricket in the country.

Bottom line the PSL has potential to grow especially considering that the top most rich Pakistani's who number 40-50 haven't even gotten involved yet. How to engage them, how to attract and convince them is up to the PCB, the success of the PSL and the PSL coming back home for sure.

You are assuming that people will get involved. They havent yet. Pakistans poor broadcast deal even for international matches where 60% of the revenues depend on India shows these 50-60 rich guys are not interested and involved.

The fact that Sethi had to implore people to bid or raise their bids for PSL teams tells you that interest in psl is low.

Assumptions dont bring money. When bbl ipl and the ecb's new t20 deal will be in excess of 100mn usd per year and even if pcb quadruples its broadcast deal they will be 20mn only you know that psl is struggling to match these leagues whose own revenues will be 5 10 20 times of psl?

Are there not rich people in india australia or england who will outmatch these rich people in pakistan?

Many years ago on PP one guy said that sheikhs from arab countries will come and knock off ipl in couple of seasons, hasnot happened.

I will not even bother with the franchisee that ipl teams paid to bcci per year in 2008.
 
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You are assuming that people will get involved. They havent yet. Pakistans poor broadcast deal even for international matches where 60% of the revenues depend on India shows these 50-60 rich guys are not interested and involved.

The fact that Sethi had to implore people to bid or raise their bids for PSL teams tells you that interest in psl is low.

Assumptions dont bring money. When bbl ipl and the ecb's new t20 deal will be in excess of 100mn usd per year and even if pcb quadruples its broadcast deal they will be 20mn only you know that psl is struggling to match these leagues whose own revenues will be 5 10 20 times of psl?

Are there not rich people in india australia or england who will outmatch these rich people in pakistan?

Many years ago on PP one guy said that sheikhs from arab countries will come and knock off ipl in couple of seasons, hasnot happened.

I will not even bother with the franchisee that ipl teams paid to bcci per year in 2008.

You are assuming that things in Pakistan, Pakistan Cricket and PSL will remain the same and that everything has been maximized which is not true. Interest in the Corporate Sector for investing in Cricket has to be aroused and that is the job of the PCB. Based on the email exchange i had with Sethi he is not giving up.
 
You are assuming that things in Pakistan, Pakistan Cricket and PSL will remain the same and that everything has been maximized which is not true. Interest in the Corporate Sector for investing in Cricket has to be aroused and that is the job of the PCB. Based on the email exchange i had with Sethi he is not giving up.

You are assuming that other leagues which are already at a far higher revenue level than PSL wont grow. You are assuming that if PSL offers 1mn salary ipl wont offer 5mn.

Indian corporates were already involved in indian cricket, they just got a new avenue to get more involved.


http://www.fortuneindia.com/fortune-500/company-list/chennai-petroleum?year=2017

Just chk the revenue of the lowest company in the list and how many pakistani companiez have comparable revenue?
 
Yes do not accept the reality. Live in your world where Pakistan is a better team than India across formats. At the end of the day, it is all about being happy. If this is what makes you happy, be my guest.

Where did I say which team is better? Pak vs India is only played during ICC events so scrap the tests that is not gonna take place next 10 years.

The new crop of youngsters including Amir who already performed vs Indianin 2009 amd always does has the X factor. We finally moved on from the meek days..

Lets see what happens when next game is played.
 
I think the Indian perspective is that the Pakistani economy cannot even come close to competing with the IPL and that Pakistan just does not have the high net worth individuals with the wealth to dabble in the PSL. Sure we may not be able to beat the IPL at this time but there is no reason why the PSL cannot be the second best T-20 league in the world after the IPL and Pakistan has the high net worth individuals who can afford to pay salaries of $500,000, $750,000 and maybe even $1,000,000 to attract the top players like Finch, Maxwell, Warner, Stokes, Miller and co.

In the first season these individuals would understandably been very risk averse and apprehensive about investing in a project no one had the guts/balls to undertake but now the PSL is well underway and has proven that it can succeed when money is pumped into it.

The PCB chairman, the marketing committee needs to aggressively target these high net worth individuals using all available tools i.e. business feasibility, patriotism, trickle down benefits to Pakistani Cricket, Economy e.t.c.

I think the high net worth individuals you are talking about don't need to be swayed by pcb chairman of marketing committee..they would have invested without any effort by now if they felt there was potential in psl....they have become the business men they are based on their own acumen or instincts and need not be enticed into investing in something...
 
I think the high net worth individuals you are talking about don't need to be swayed by pcb chairman of marketing committee..they would have invested without any effort by now if they felt there was potential in psl....they have become the business men they are based on their own acumen or instincts and need not be enticed into investing in something...

They need to be swayed and there were 30 bids for the 6th PSL team Multan Sultans. 7th and 8th team will attract larger bids.
 
We only have ourselves to blame mate, if only we could have let aside our differences..

Oh well it’s just a dream now, maybe in future it can become a reality.

In future only hope is if we could ever live like good neighbours and let Kashmiris give them their rights.
 
The hype
The cultural rivalries
The thrilling matches in Sharjah

This league is definitely ahead of all leagues apart from IPL
 
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