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PTI's Tsunami March on 14th August [Mega Thread]

Parveez Khattak: "Wazir-e-Ala kya cheez hai, mere leader per meri jaan bhi qurbaan hai."
 
only the die hard PTI supporters left.

Maybe they could have had 200,000 people if they got their timing right and there was no rain.

They arrived at 4am, which is too damn late. Plus it rain. They have lost a lot of people for sure.
 
Indiafan said:
Part and parcel of a democracy. There are chief ministers in India who ruled for decades by rigging. Parties which fooled people, who tied up with enemies. As long as these are wounds in democracy, it will heal itself and come back stronger no matter how wounded it is. Will only require more time. On the other hand what Imran is doing is killing democracy all together so that it will have to be reborn and back to square one
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people of pakistan have been dealing with us for 67 years and nothing has changed. People have to take their destiny out of the hands of the corrupt...you can't continue to undermine the future of a population in the name of "democracy"...its not an excuse
 
with so much rain they really cant sleep out there. People can get seriously sick.

but this looks like a very small crowd. His previous jalsas have been much bigger!
 
UsmanhailsAfridi said:
people of pakistan have been dealing with us for 67 years and nothing has changed. People have to take their destiny out of the hands of the corrupt...you can't continue to undermine the future of a population in the name of "democracy"...its not an excuse
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Have you though? As far as I know the last government was the ONLY one which completed it's term. When we talk about democracy, it is one uninterrupted process. Not the army taking over or Imran taking over after every couple of years.

The very reason democracy has not worked or corrupt were not thrown out was because army took over every few years. So democracy was killed and then had to start all over again. This was like a baby learning to walk. As soon as the baby started crawling someone would kill it and it would have to be reborn and learn to crawl again. If you had uninterrupted democracy for even 30-40 years, I daresay, half of your corruptions and problems would have vanished. Maybe more

What future are you talking about? Yesterday you were reliant on Mushraff, today you have another savior in Imran. Where are the actual people in all this? Wishing on a cult personality to wave a magic wand and wish all problems away, instead of being patient and improving things one by one by your own persistence and vote power?
 
Indiafan said:
Have you though? As far as I know the last government was the ONLY one which completed it's term. When we talk about democracy, it is one uninterrupted process. Not the army taking over or Imran taking over after every couple of years.

The very reason democracy has not worked or corrupt were not thrown out was because army took over every few years. So democracy was killed and then had to start all over again. This was like a baby learning to walk. As soon as the baby started crawling someone would kill it and it would have to be reborn and learn to crawl again. If you had uninterrupted democracy for even 30-40 years, I daresay, half of your corruptions and problems would have vanished. Maybe more

What future are you talking about? Yesterday you were reliant on Mushraff, today you have another savior in Imran. Where are the actual people in all this? Wishing on a cult personality to wave a magic wand and wish all problems away, instead of being patient and improving things one by one by your own persistence and vote power?
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Imran(PTI) is not asking for him to become president. They are asking for a fair, truly democratic election.
 
People are mistaken if they believe this was a small gathering.

The D-chowk jalsas looked massive because of the length of the roadway on which it was conducted. You could see people spanning far far away.

However, the Aabpara area looked restricted and wasn't the same as that of D-chowk. Thus, the visibility of the substantial crowd gathered was impaired to an extent. People living there and being within those Jalsas will be able to tell better as to the actual strength of the Jalsa. This Jalsa would be spanning atleast some-way out from the Aabpara chowk even.
 
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Not a PTI supporter, but is asking for free and fair elections and electoral reforms which can make that happen through a protest by any means undemocratic? This is DEMOCRACY. This is how democracy should be. To crave for their right and every citizen of Pakistan's right is free and fair elections and their voice and vote to be counted and heard.

I don't know whether PTI will win or whether they really are the best choice, but what I know is that the people of Pakistan deserve better than rigged elections and their votes being taken away from them and these guys are doing it the right way by holding a peaceful protest against the government and doing it well within their rights which is anyone's right in a democracy.
 
August 16, 4:22am
Referring to Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan’s speech in the National Assembly where he reportedly said that approximately 60,000-70,000 votes in every constituency could not be verified, the PTI chief said he knew why they could not be verified.
He alleged that just two days before the general elections, the election commission transferred Anwer Mehboob to Punjab, who allegedly ordered printing of hundreds of thousands of extra ballot papers. When the chief secretary and additional secretary asked Mehboob why he was asking for the printing of those extra ballot papers, he replied that he had orders from higher authorities.
Those ballot papers were then allegedly distributed among PML-N workers, who used them stuff ballot boxes on Election Day, claimed Imran. “That’s why all these votes are not verifiable.”
 
Indiafan said:
Have you though? As far as I know the last government was the ONLY one which completed it's term. When we talk about democracy, it is one uninterrupted process. Not the army taking over or Imran taking over after every couple of years.

The very reason democracy has not worked or corrupt were not thrown out was because army took over every few years. So democracy was killed and then had to start all over again. This was like a baby learning to walk. As soon as the baby started crawling someone would kill it and it would have to be reborn and learn to crawl again. If you had uninterrupted democracy for even 30-40 years, I daresay, half of your corruptions and problems would have vanished. Maybe more

What future are you talking about? Yesterday you were reliant on Mushraff, today you have another savior in Imran. Where are the actual people in all this? Wishing on a cult personality to wave a magic wand and wish all problems away, instead of being patient and improving things one by one by your own persistence and vote power?
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i completely disagree with you. democracy isnt a child and it isnt some magic ethereal potion that will remedy all ills if allowed to persist regardless of context. whatever its benefits or shortfalls, it cant function in a corrupt system. mubarak was democratically elected for 20 odd years - how much did democracy flourish in egypt? the same for assad and syria. there a bunch of other examples. democracy only has utility if its allowed to function as a democracy. in pakistan's case, it hasnt for close to 60 years - how much longer ought people to wait for some unsupported hypothesis of self correction? thats 60 years of proof that a corrupt system does NOT necessarily cleanse itself of corruption. in fact, looking at the developed democracies of the world, there is a very good argument to make for quite the opposite.

its not about a martyr or saviour, every movement has a figure head, but in this case, whether it works or it doesnt, its about a principle of justice. without which democray is not democracy is an oligarchy at best and a dictatorship at worst.
 
Outsiders should keep their traps shut because they have no idea how things work in pakistan, they can their lectures and baashan giri to themselves. Thank you.
 
Indiafan said:
Why oh why do Pakistani people always look for some Messiah to come and save them? Someone who works outside the system to break it and fix it? It is never going to work like that. Whether it is Zia or Mushraff or Imran. If you break democracy it will have to start again from square one and all progress will be lost

Yes I know politicians are corrupt. Yes, I know rigging most probably happened. But that is part and parcel of democracy. That's how people learn. That's how democracy cleanses itself over time. You CANNOT want all the benefits of democracy yet be unwilling to grind and sacrifice and be patient for the results. If you break democracy to fix it, you will only kill it again. And then try again. And then kill it. And then try again

The best thing is to let democracy be. For 20 years, For 30 years, For 50 years. Things will change, systems will improve, more youth will come in

Instead what I am seeing again is another Messiah who wants to break the system in order to be the savior. But he is setting another precedent. Any opponent not happy with results will always try the same tactic in the future. Instead of being of the masses, this is turning out to be a cult following which promises to break democracy again. And then even if there are re-elections, it won't be worth the price of the ballot papers

True democracy includes the right for scoundrels and rascals to be in power if people so will. You cannot break the system anytime an election goes against your wishes. Imran should learn from Modi, who has an equal cult following, but bided his time and used the system to rule, not break it when it didn't fit his agenda. Alas for Pakistan, this seems to be another short term thinking action without any eye on long term repercussions. Pakistan waits for another Messiah to magically solve all corruption with one march and one speech. And with this, once again, Pakistanis forego their power of the vote and the changing and cleansing of the system because they do not have the patience to wait 10 or 20 years and do not feel the need to think long term and for the next generation. Let them worry about their own Messiah then, maybe at that time they will have another cricket player who can March with 20 million men to throw the then elected government out
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Great post!

Like someone once said, democracy and elections are a slow and gradual process like water passing through a filter and with time the holes in the filter get smaller and smaller to leave out the corrupt and incompetent elements. Unfortunately in Pakistan, rather than letting the system work and give time for the institutions to be developed, every 10-15 years, we want it to be turned upside down, torn apart and remade once again. Democracy doesn't happen like that. Protesting against rigging is perfectly fine, in fact its important to put pressure on the govt. to make reforms but to ask the govt. to resign and for re-elections to happen under a "technocratic" setup is not legal nor constitutional. The parliament can never become strong like that neither does this strengthens our constitution, it becomes all about street power.
 
saadibaba said:
Great post!

Like someone once said, democracy and elections are a slow and gradual process like water passing through a filter and with time the holes in the filter get smaller and smaller to leave out the corrupt and incompetent elements. Unfortunately in Pakistan, rather than letting the system work and give time for the institutions to be developed, every 10-15 years, we want it to be turned upside down, torn apart and remade once again. Democracy doesn't happen like that. Protesting against rigging is perfectly fine, in fact its important to put pressure on the govt. to make reforms but to ask the govt. to resign and for re-elections to happen under a "technocratic" setup is not legal nor constitutional. The parliament can never become strong like that neither does this strengthens our constitution, it becomes all about street power.
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bla bla bla bla. What system are you talking about? The one that is rigged every time?
 
saadibaba said:
Great post!

Like someone once said, democracy and elections are a slow and gradual process like water passing through a filter and with time the holes in the filter get smaller and smaller to leave out the corrupt and incompetent elements. Unfortunately in Pakistan, rather than letting the system work and give time for the institutions to be developed, every 10-15 years, we want it to be turned upside down, torn apart and remade once again. Democracy doesn't happen like that. Protesting against rigging is perfectly fine, in fact its important to put pressure on the govt. to make reforms but to ask the govt. to resign and for re-elections to happen under a "technocratic" setup is not legal nor constitutional. The parliament can never become strong like that neither does this strengthens our constitution, it becomes all about street power.
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Come on Saadi. How can democracy be given time when democracy itself is not even implied?! Massive rigging aren't just 'holes that will fill out in time'.

If these guys really wanted democracy then they would've investigated those four constituencies but they didn't.
 
Badsha said:
Come on Saadi. How can democracy be given time when democracy itself is not even implied?! Massive rigging aren't just 'holes that will fill out in time'.

If these guys really wanted democracy then they would've investigated those four constituencies but they didn't.
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Democracy is not a system that you expect to be implied perfectly the first or second time around. How many "democratically" elected governments have been able to finish their tenure and hand power over to another civilian govt. in our sixty plus history.

As for holes getting smaller with time, we already saw the crushing defeat of PPP in Punjab in the last elections giving us hope that bad governance will not be tolerated by the masses and dynastic politics will eventually die if we can only make sure the process continues uninterrupted. Naya Pakistan cannot come overnight and once you start toppling governments through long marches than you might as well say goodbye to any government finishing there full five year term in the future.

Plus you risk making political shaheeds out of N-league and giving them a chance at getting to power again by playing the victim card. Just look at how toothless the PPP has become post elections. They have no victim cards left to play anymore and it's hard to imagine them getting back to power unless they show some improvement in their leadership and management. That's what continuation of system does, no matter how retched and corrupt, it bears fruit with time as there are no quick fixes without making the system going back to square one.
 
Imran Khan has retired to a cosy hotel room for a fine dinner followed by a great night's sleep. All the protesters have been left high and dry, hungry and tired waiting for the self proclaimed "Kaptaan" to make his next appearance tomorrow at 3pm if someone is still there to listen to him, what a joke!! Just a few days back IK promised to sleep at the very spot with the protesters until the supposed revolution is realised. Don't know where TUQ is, probably snoring away in his comfortable bed as well.
 
Laparwah said:
Imran Khan has retired to a cosy hotel room for a fine dinner followed by a great night's sleep. All the protesters have been left high and dry, hungry and tired waiting for the self proclaimed "Kaptaan" to make his next appearance tomorrow at 3pm if someone is still there to listen to him, what a joke!! Just a few days back IK promised to sleep at the very spot with the protesters until the supposed revolution is realised. Don't know where TUQ is, probably snoring away in his comfortable bed as well.
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He has a 102 degrees fever according to reports.

I too at first criticized Imran Khan for leaving his supporters like that but apparently he was forced to
 
Laparwah said:
Imran Khan has retired to a cosy hotel room for a fine dinner followed by a great night's sleep. All the protesters have been left high and dry, hungry and tired waiting for the self proclaimed "Kaptaan" to make his next appearance tomorrow at 3pm if someone is still there to listen to him, what a joke!! Just a few days back IK promised to sleep at the very spot with the protesters until the supposed revolution is realised. Don't know where TUQ is, probably snoring away in his comfortable bed as well.
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He traveled 48 hours without sleep, has high fever and gave his speech in rain with it. Just shut up please.
 
Fastandfurious said:
He traveled 48 hours without sleep, has high fever and gave his speech in rain with it. Just shut up please.
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No you shut it and think! Should have arranged how to take care of the protesters and their requirements before leaving for the march. How will they sustain themselves for all this period? All others have travelled without food for 46 hours as well, IK is not the only one.
 
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godzilla said:
i completely disagree with you. democracy isnt a child and it isnt some magic ethereal potion that will remedy all ills if allowed to persist regardless of context. whatever its benefits or shortfalls, it cant function in a corrupt system. mubarak was democratically elected for 20 odd years - how much did democracy flourish in egypt? the same for assad and syria. there a bunch of other examples. democracy only has utility if its allowed to function as a democracy. in pakistan's case, it hasnt for close to 60 years - how much longer ought people to wait for some unsupported hypothesis of self correction? thats 60 years of proof that a corrupt system does NOT necessarily cleanse itself of corruption. in fact, looking at the developed democracies of the world, there is a very good argument to make for quite the opposite.

its not about a martyr or saviour, every movement has a figure head, but in this case, whether it works or it doesnt, its about a principle of justice. without which democray is not democracy is an oligarchy at best and a dictatorship at worst.
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I will address your second point first. No, the system has NOT been in place for 60 years. In fact, this was the first time a democratically elected government was allowed to complete it's term. With the army constantly interrupting the process every couple of year, there has not even been a semblance of democracy.

The system and not worked as you said. But this interruption is part of the system now and you are again making the same mistake

As for your examples of Mubarak, etc, they are far away from democracy and much closer to a cult following which seems to be happening now

Savak said:
Outsiders should keep their traps shut because they have no idea how things work in pakistan, they can their lectures and baashan giri to themselves. Thank you.
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Or perhaps sometimes, an outsider is able to see things more clearly and less passionately than people just caught up in the tide of the moment. You are claiming as if Pakistanis are some aliens and do not have normal human reactions. Such problems are common in history and at some point in every country
 
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Fastandfurious said:
Imran(PTI) is not asking for him to become president. They are asking for a fair, truly democratic election.
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And what guarantee that if they are not happy with the results this time there won't be another march? Or say PTI wins then the other parties won't allege rigging and march themselves? Precedent will be set
 
You know I really have no idea why Imran Khan went for this. He's got some bad advisors.

Smart thing would've been to fully focus on KPK where they are in power and show the rest of the nation good governance. And then democratically win the next elections via camaigning about the positive things PTI has done in KPK.

I think PML's win was so big that even if you take out election rigging and all that they would've still comfortably won. Basically, IK just comes across as a sore loser and this whole march is starting to look like a giant fail.
 
GujjarSher said:
You know I really have no idea why Imran Khan went for this. He's got some bad advisors.

Smart thing would've been to fully focus on KPK where they are in power and show the rest of the nation good governance. And then democratically win the next elections via camaigning about the positive things PTI has done in KPK.

I think PML's win was so big that even if you take out election rigging and all that they would've still comfortably won. Basically, IK just comes across as a sore loser and this whole march is starting to look like a giant fail.
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I agree with this 100%.The longer this march goes on the more it makes Imran look like a sore loser.
 
Laparwah said:
Imran Khan has retired to a cosy hotel room for a fine dinner followed by a great night's sleep. All the protesters have been left high and dry, hungry and tired waiting for the self proclaimed "Kaptaan" to make his next appearance tomorrow at 3pm if someone is still there to listen to him, what a joke!! Just a few days back IK promised to sleep at the very spot with the protesters until the supposed revolution is realised. Don't know where TUQ is, probably snoring away in his comfortable bed as well.
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He did say that he will stand in front and take the first bullet on his chest if someone fires. Then we saw him hiding in his air conditioned container.

Fever is an excuse, why did he stand in rain in this old age. He just needed an excuse to go to his five star hotel. If he can get sick then what about thousands of others. I read a personal account of a eye witness that most of the people gathered were paid demonstrates. 2000 rs + patrol.

Its too hard for some people to understand that this is nothing but another power hungry politician maneuvering to get in to power.
He has done everything what he accuses others for and he has top leaders from their party and yet he managed to poetry himself as a saint.

Instead of working on a system which is long and hard road people are looking for a magic wand type solution. Society is heading for another disappointment. All the other TTF are either sitting in jail, or sitting out of the country.
 
GujjarSher said:
You know I really have no idea why Imran Khan went for this. He's got some bad advisors.

Smart thing would've been to fully focus on KPK where they are in power and show the rest of the nation good governance. And then democratically win the next elections via camaigning about the positive things PTI has done in KPK.

I think PML's win was so big that even if you take out election rigging and all that they would've still comfortably won. Basically, IK just comes across as a sore loser and this whole march is starting to look like a giant fail.
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Army brokered a deal between all the three parties. Everyone knows what is going to happen. Thats why you dont see Noon league to be too much worried. biggest losers are the novice people who believe in this march and winner is on one.
 
Lords said:
Army brokered a deal between all the three parties. Everyone knows what is going to happen. Thats why you dont see Noon league to be too much worried. biggest losers are the novice people who believe in this march and winner is on one.
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It seems like you have special links in army.
 
Well this was a flop. Asking people to go and come back at 3pm? Where exactly are those supposed to go who've come from all over the country? This drama has wielded no results and never will.
 
How come the previous ruling party - the PPP - were unable to rig the 2013 elections in their favour? How did the opposition who were last in power in 1999 - the PML (N) get so much power and clout to rig the elections across all provinces?

Curious to know.
 
Varun said:
How come the previous ruling party - the PPP - were unable to rig the 2013 elections in their favour? How did the opposition who were last in power in 1999 - the PML (N) get so much power and clout to rig the elections across all provinces?

Curious to know.
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Because pmln was in punjab not ppp.

Ppp did their bit of rigging in sindh.
 
Indiafan said:
I will address your second point first. No, the system has NOT been in place for 60 years. In fact, this was the first time a democratically elected government was allowed to complete it's term. With the army constantly interrupting the process every couple of year, there has not even been a semblance of democracy.

The system and not worked as you said. But this interruption is part of the system now and you are again making the same mistake

As for your examples of Mubarak, etc, they are far away from democracy and much closer to a cult following which seems to be happening now



Or perhaps sometimes, an outsider is able to see things more clearly and less passionately than people just caught up in the tide of the moment. You are claiming as if Pakistanis are some aliens and do not have normal human reactions. Such problems are common in history and at some point in every country
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Oh please, this is ridiculous. How is Mubarak a cult following and Bhutto not? You're just swapping definitions when it suits you. The whole point of this discussion is that pakistans politics is "far away from democracy" in it's state to date, much as you claim it is for Mubarak etc.

I concede the point about 60 years of history, you're right, government was repeatedly interrupted. But it's indicative of how meaningless that is when the one term that was completed was when one of the most corrupt men in the country's history was at the helm.

Again you've failed to illustrate where this conviction comes from that democracy will somehow magically erase corruption.
 
Noora420 said:
You should have the guts to criticise after you do something for your country. Doing something for the country doesn't need any responsibility.

And this is just a minor thing.
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doing our work honestly is also doing something for the country besides i dont need a lecture from you you live by your name
 
Please change the title of this thread This is not a big march let alone tsunami.
 
And now after a basic speech dr tahir ul qadri has also abandoned his people and will be back after 2 hours. What are these guys doing? Nothing is arranged and the leaders have disappeared

It's a huge political blunder from imran and tahir but mainly imran. He's going to lose support after this
 
Qadri's Inqelab March is doing so well than PTI's Azadi March. Mismanagement of PTI exposed. Where is Imran Khan now?
 
I find it really funny to see Pakistani's raise objections to whatever IK is doing but they just resign and accept things under the phrase "This is how things work in Pakistan" when the likes of NS, Zardari, MQM and co do whatever they want. Jaisay Awaam, Waisay Hukumraan. 60 plus years is a long time for a nation to overthrow its corrupt rulers by violent revolutions for e.g. Iranian Islamic revolution, Phillipines, Indonesia e.t.c. The fact there has never been a single such revolution in our nation's history tells you a lot about our people.
 
Looks like PTI just lost their alliance with jamaat e islami. Their coalition in KPK will be under threat. If anyone that'll go it's PTI after this pathetic display
 
How will PTI workers sit there without mobile toilets, proper sitting arrangements etc.? Imran Khan went to sleep in his house after his speech.
 
Middle class cant afford to stay in march for long this is basic reality, they have to go on with their daily routines. It is test of management of party to peak the gathering at right time otherwise people are bound to disperse.
 
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Well, at the least it's good to note that there hasn't been any widespread chaos and anarchy - life goes on.
 
So Imran spent the night at his home while the supporters were out there. Principally speaking, there is nothing wrong with it although this would be the right time for Insaafiyans to stop sharing photos of him in torn clothes and sleeping on the sidewalks.

An argument which is plain stupid now. Stop selling his aajizi.
 
I have my reservations about this long march

We do need electoral reforms (such as electronic voting, overseas voting, some mechanism in place for the accountability of corrupt returning officers etc. Lastly Election Commission needs to be a totally independent body not under the influence of either the government or the supreme court) but it should not be at the expense of chaos and instability in the country

Otherwise NO government will survive for 5 years because there will be long marches by opposition parties in future as well. Investors will run away. Governments in Pakistan will be just as unpredictable as our cricket team!! You will never know when they will be ousted..
 
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Savak said:
I find it really funny to see Pakistani's raise objections to whatever IK is doing but they just resign and accept things under the phrase "This is how things work in Pakistan" when the likes of NS, Zardari, MQM and co do whatever they want. Jaisay Awaam, Waisay Hukumraan. 60 plus years is a long time for a nation to overthrow its corrupt rulers by violent revolutions for e.g. Iranian Islamic revolution, Phillipines, Indonesia e.t.c. The fact there has never been a single such revolution in our nation's history tells you a lot about our people.
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Excellent post.
 
Revolution needs complete devotion. People must be willing to give up everything, even lives, for the common cause. It should be an irresistible force that never gives up. Revolution cannot be brought if people participate thinking it is a 2-3 day affair, a photo-op or rock concert.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Revolution needs complete devotion. People must be willing to give up everything, even lives, for the common cause. It should be an irresistible force that never gives up. Revolution cannot be brought if people participate thinking it is a 2-3 day affair, a photo-op or rock concert.
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This I completely agree with. Revolutions don't need money, just simple straight forward will and the willingness to lay down lives.

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Egypt mein kya hua?... people laid down their lives, many had high hopes lekin end mein kya hua.. one dictator (Mubarak) has effectively been replaced by another dictator (Sisi)

We do need electoral reforms in Pakistan but we also do not want to see the country turn into another Iraq or Syria

Remember democracy is an evolutionary process & short cuts never work because if that were the case things would be different by now; every military dictator promised change, but nothing ever really changed under them apart from short-term measures here and there. So have faith in the system and work hard. Ask PTI leaders to show good governance in KPK (I know there has been some progress but it has been steady rather than spectacular) and who knows PTI might actually have a genuine chance in 2018
 
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Rain, Music and dance some fun going on, participants need some rejuvenation.
 
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50 percent of people support this, because they know Imran Khan was a good cricketer.

30 percent support it, so they can update their facebook page.

10 percent support it because they are being well payed to do so.

5 percent support it because they like to pretend our country is marching towards better future by supporting such noble and beautiful acts such as marches that are bringing about a revolution.

3 percent oppose it because they are supporters of Nawaz Sharif.

1.5 percent oppose it because they are relatives of Nawaz Sharif.

0nly 0.5 percent oppose it, because they know that nothing changes in Pakistan, and funnily enough they are always lambasted for being pessimistic.
 
In news: PMLN is trying to approach Imran for negotiations through different channels.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
50 percent of people support this, because they know Imran Khan was a good cricketer.

30 percent support it, so they can update their facebook page.
setter future by supporting such noble and beautiful acts such as marches that are bringing about a revolution.

3 percent oppose it because they are supporters of Nawaz Sharif.

1.5 percent oppose it because they are relatives of Nawaz Sharif.

0nly 0.5 percent oppose it, because they know that nothing changes in Pakistan, and funnily enough they are always lambasted for being pessimistic.
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Statistics taken out of where the sun doesn't shine.
 
Savak said:
I find it really funny to see Pakistani's raise objections to whatever IK is doing but they just resign and accept things under the phrase "This is how things work in Pakistan" when the likes of NS, Zardari, MQM and co do whatever they want. Jaisay Awaam, Waisay Hukumraan. 60 plus years is a long time for a nation to overthrow its corrupt rulers by violent revolutions for e.g. Iranian Islamic revolution, Phillipines, Indonesia e.t.c. The fact there has never been a single such revolution in our nation's history tells you a lot about our people.
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+1.
 
Badsha said:
Statistics taken out of where the sun doesn't shine.
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It's the truth.

You honestly think 70 percent of Pakistan's poverty ridden population cares about your dumb marches...

They want food in their stomach, they want food in their homes, they want their children to survive the cold when it's cold, and bear the heat when it's hot with electricity if possible.

You think they want ****** rallies about "New Pakistan" and "Pakistan ki Taraqi ki raah".

Don't include yourself that is the blessed 10 percent of the population in the common majority who want change.

"Jin logon ko yey pata nai next meal kahan sy arai hy , they damn care about your march and who rules the country. They just want to eat food and live their life peacefully"

Stop trying to twist facts to the world, that everyone wants Imran Khan.

Fact is 70 percent of the population is below poverty level, and wants gas food water electricity, chahay wo Madonna hi akay kyun na dey dy...

La La Land....
 
Most people have been completely misled into the repercussions of "revolution".

Need to dig up some of my old Sociology notes now.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
It's the truth.

You honestly think 70 percent of Pakistan's poverty ridden population cares about your dumb marches...They want food in their stomach, they want food in their homes, they want their children to survive the cold when it's cold, and bear the heat when it's hot with electricity if possible.

You think they want ****** rallies about "New Pakistan" and "Pakistan ki Taraqi ki raah".

Don't include yourself that is the blessed 10 percent of the population in the common majority who want change.

"Jin logon ko yey pata nai next meal kahan sy arai hy , they damn care about your march and who rules the country. They just want to eat food and live their life peacefully"

Stop trying to twist facts to the world, that everyone wants Imran Khan.

Fact is 70 percent of the population is below poverty level, and wants gas food water electricity, chahay wo Madonna hi akay kyun na dey dy...

La La Land....
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I know some people like don't understand cause and effect but the reason the 70% in poverty don't care is that they have been programmed to believe(like you) that nothing can be done and things will stay the way they have always been. The condition of the Pakistani nation is not a genetic problem-its man made by a corrupt elite who have raped the heart and soul of the country and it is through protest that things can change. I take it that you believe we should not do anything and things are great.
 
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I know some people like don't understand cause and effect but the reason the 70% in poverty don't care is that they have been programmed to believe(like you) that nothing can be done and things will stay the way they have always been. The condition of the Pakistani nation is not a genetic problem-its man made by a corrupt elite who have raped the heart and soul of the country and it is through protest that things can change. I take it that you believe we should not do anything and things are great.
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Marches don't solve problems.

If Imran wants to do something, then bring the revolution .. Decide to enter PM secretariat and bring a milliion people with him who are willing to die. Announce himself as the new President of Pakistan. Be a dictator like Charles de Gaulel who created the first French Republic...

Leaders create things for themselves.

Looks like we are waiting for a revolution.

Otherwise peaceful marches like these, just block everyday life and destroy company's economic progress.
 
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If he did that then people will accuse him of destroying "democracy". Whatever he does will have both advantages and disadvantages; this tactic has so far produced the offer of a commission(maybe a tactic to take the heat out of the situation),possibly real tangible reforms of the electoral system which may reduce fraud in the future and also shown the COMPLETE lack of support for the Nooras. IK is not perfect but he is a billion times better than the crooked Bhuttos and Sharifs.
 
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He did say that he will stand in front and take the first bullet on his chest if someone fires. Then we saw him hiding in his air conditioned container.

Fever is an excuse, why did he stand in rain in this old age. He just needed an excuse to go to his five star hotel. If he can get sick then what about thousands of others. I read a personal account of a eye witness that most of the people gathered were paid demonstrates. 2000 rs + patrol.

Its too hard for some people to understand that this is nothing but another power hungry politician maneuvering to get in to power.
He has done everything what he accuses others for and he has top leaders from their party and yet he managed to poetry himself as a saint.

Instead of working on a system which is long and hard road people are looking for a magic wand type solution. Society is heading for another disappointment. All the other TTF are either sitting in jail, or sitting out of the country.
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I agree that the "fever" was nothing more then an excuse to get away for the night! How convenient that he should fall ill on the very first night of the protest, obviously he did not think of the thousands who had followed him like sheep nor bothered to make any arrangements for them. The number of protesters is rapidly dwindling now as people see the march for what it really is, another PTI outdoor circus for IK to further inflate his ego.

PTI has no real answers other then re elections after a few months after the current government is ousted. When they don't win others are cheating, if they eventually do then they'll kiss the a$$ of the American's much more then the Sharif brothers do. The remaining few thousand should just all return home leaving IK and TUQ on their own, see how they like that!
 
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