PTI's Tsunami March on 14th August [Mega Thread]

[Runner Up]

Don't forget Qadri March. Raat ko 12 baje Nawaz Sharif ke 12 bajane ka iraada hai un ka

 

[blinding light]

You can question all you want, but you cannot question the fact that IMF cancelled its visit due to IKs call for civil disobedience. So?

You cannot question the fact that Ishaq Dar had to go to Dxb on an emergency basis to explain the matters at hand to IMF individuals.

You cannot question the fact that Nawaz Sharif is involved in various money laundering scandals (NAB). Yes.
You cannot question the fact that Sharif brothers are involved in the practice of illegally allotting lands to their well-wishers all over Punjab. (NAB). Probably, yeah.
You cannot question the fact that PML-N has taken more loans in one year than the entire tenure in which PPP was in government. Yep.
You cannot question the fraudulent Yellow Cab scheme. Yep.
You cannot question the fact that Gullu Butt was released on bail days after being arrested. It was a legal process, and a bailable offence, your argument makes no sense.
You cannot question the fact that the PMLN has ended unemployment (within PMLN) by employing hundreds of PMLN workers in the government in various positions (whether they deserved it or not is another case.) Ease off, kiddo. This partisan-ship problem is not unique to Pakistan only.
You cannot question the fact that the Sharif brothers and their family DO NOT PAY TAX. So they were practicing civil disobedience before IK announced it?

I really feel sorry for you, its not your fault that you support NS and his 'democratically elected' government. In a democracy where if a case is brought against a poor farmer from Pakistan he has no chance to even fight his case and be hanged. But if a case of MURDER i's brought against the Prime Minister of the nation he will get away with it cool-handedly. Long-live 'your version' of democracy.

Name one post where I said I side with the PMLN before repeating that nonsense on me.

I couldn't care less about PMLN, kid. I support democracy AS A PROCESS, not delusions as you're fed. And I do not support PMLN. My answers are up there for you to see. I couldn't care less.

I support institutions, systems, democracy. A process. Yes it's ridden with problems, but those problems will correct themselves OVERTIME only if the process goes on uninterrupted. Compare Turkey and Egypt in terms of continuity of their democratic process and the end result.

See, here's my problem with jiyalas like you. Instead of taking in criticism and coming up with a decent and logical comeback, you start vomitting the same facts about Nawaz Sharif that everyone knows and minimal people care about.

It's pathetic to see that instead of justifying YOUR position and stance, you start labelling everyone a PMLN supporter and going after them with your previous ratta-fied claims.

I know PMLN and PPP are corrupt to the core. But you honestly expected a party that rose to the fore in 2 years to defeat a party in what has been their stronghold for more than 20 years? It takes TIME. TIME which you and your party aren't willing to give because on the face of it, IK's one-man show is as big a pursuit of power as is NS' pursuit for increased wealth by looting the people.

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

You can question all you want, but you cannot question the fact that IMF cancelled its visit due to IKs call for civil disobedience.

You cannot question the fact that Ishaq Dar had to go to Dxb on an emergency basis to explain the matters at hand to IMF individuals.

You cannot question the fact that Nawaz Sharif is involved in various money laundering scandals (NAB).
You cannot question the fact that Sharif brothers are involved in the practice of illegally allotting lands to their well-wishers all over Punjab. (NAB).
You cannot question the fact that PML-N has taken more loans in one year than the entire tenure in which PPP was in government.
You cannot question the fraudulent Yellow Cab scheme.
You cannot question the fact that Gullu Butt was released on bail days after being arrested.
You cannot question the fact that the PMLN has ended unemployment (within PMLN) by employing hundreds of PMLN workers in the government in various positions (whether they deserved it or not is another case.)
You cannot question the fact that the Sharif brothers and their family DO NOT PAY TAX.

I really feel sorry for you, its not your fault that you support NS and his 'democratically elected' government. In a democracy where if a case is brought against a poor farmer from Pakistan he has no chance to even fight his case and be hanged. But if a case of MURDER i's brought against the Prime Minister of the nation he will get away with it cool-handedly. Long-live 'your version' of democracy.

You can't reason with people whose families have or are benefiting from a corrupt system. Why would they want the system to change and be fair across the board?

 

[Badsha]

I feel sorry for you, truly.

No politician or party is worth that kind of trust and support...parhe likhay jaahil wali baat ki hai.

Keep feeling sorry for me. A leader like Imran Khan deserves my unconditional support as long as it does not cross my religion or morals.

One of the bravest men I've witnessed in my life time.


EDIT: on the other hand you support a bunch of crooks. LOLOL

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Name one post where I said I side with the PMLN before repeating that nonsense on me.

I couldn't care less about PMLN, kid. I support democracy AS A PROCESS, not delusions as you're fed. And I do not support PMLN. My answers are up there for you to see. I couldn't care less.

I support institutions, systems, democracy. A process. Yes it's ridden with problems, but those problems will correct themselves OVERTIME only if the process goes on uninterrupted. Compare Turkey and Egypt in terms of continuity of their democratic process and the end result.

See, here's my problem with jiyalas like you. Instead of taking in criticism and coming up with a decent and logical comeback, you start vomitting the same facts about Nawaz Sharif that everyone knows and minimal people care about.

It's pathetic to see that instead of justifying YOUR position and stance, you start labelling everyone a PMLN supporter and going after them with your previous ratta-fied claims.

I know PMLN and PPP are corrupt to the core. But you honestly expected a party that rose to the fore in 2 years to defeat a party in what has been their stronghold for more than 20 years? It takes TIME. TIME which you and your party aren't willing to give because on the face of it, IK's one-man show is as big a pursuit of power as is NS' pursuit for increased wealth by looting the people.

A start would have been to put some people who were shown to be rigging in videos behind bars...but nope not a single person got convicted for what was a clear case of systematic rigging across the entire nation. Sorry I rather not have TIME for such nonsense. 67 years is enough TIME to get looted over and over again while continuing to turn the other cheek. Again people sitting in their living rooms can't fathom the ground situation of those living in poverty, easy for you to say GIVE IT TIME.

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

PMLN has done nothing, ZERO, to tackle the issues of these marches. They have shown their arrogance and their complete disregard for what's happening. The PM coming on TV 3 days before the march and announcing some commission is further proof of the bullsh*t these goons stand for.

All that was asked of them was to recount 4 constituencies, FOUR? The fact they they refused to just do that much shows that their hands are dirty up to their elbows in rigging this last election.

 

[blinding light]

A start would have been to put some people who were shown to be rigging in videos behind bars...but nope not a single person got convicted for what was a clear case of systematic rigging across the entire nation. Sorry I rather not have TIME for such nonsense. 67 years is enough TIME to get looted over and over again while continuing to turn the other cheek. Again people sitting in their living rooms can't fathom the ground situation of those living in poverty, easy for you to say GIVE IT TIME.

Or so your leader claims.

Again, facts and evidence needs to be presented. Tailoring evidence to suit one's rhetorical needs is equivalent to misrepresentation and fraud in the eyes of the law.

You claim 67 years is enough time. How much time have you actually given to democracy in 67 years? For every 3 years we were a democracy, roughly the next 10 years were military dictatorship. This stop-start process of democracy failed to ingrain 1) democratic values in the masses. 2) failed to consolidate democratic institutions in the country. 3) failed to allow a coherent political culture to develop, alongside a consistent parliamentary and judicial system.

Give democracy alone a chance to run for 67 years, and I'm sure you'll see wonders. Turkey turned in it's situation completely around in the last 15-20 years following its bout with military dictatorship, which had pushed the country to the verge of bankruptcy in the 1980s (more than anyone, their experience with their military is similar to ours).

Personally, I'm not just in for giving it time, but also studying it thoroughly because I want to do something for my country too. I'd consider that far better than participating in a sham disobedience movement where I'd sit behind and use the Internet service I'd purchased including paying GST on it despite my leader saying no taxes should be paid.

 

[blinding light]

PMLN has done nothing, ZERO, to tackle the issues of these marches. They have shown their arrogance and their complete disregard for what's happening. The PM coming on TV 3 days before the march and announcing some commission is further proof of the bullsh*t these goons stand for.

All that was asked of them was to recount 4 constituencies, FOUR? The fact they they refused to just do that much shows that their hands are dirty up to their elbows in rigging this last election.

IMO, PMLN was screwing everything up perfectly well by themselves. The awaam is not based on idiots. Look at what happened to PPP in Punjab in these elections. Or was PPP the perfect democratic, constitutional and corruption-free party who too were robbed of their right to be re-elected thanks to PMLN's rigging?

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

IMO, PMLN was screwing everything up perfectly well by themselves. The awaam is not based on idiots. Look at what happened to PPP in Punjab in these elections. Or was PPP the perfect democratic, constitutional and corruption-free party who too were robbed of their right to be re-elected thanks to PMLN's rigging?

hope you are not that naive? PPP will be back in 2018 with a huge bang and PMLN will be reduced to rubble. This a merry go around sir between the families of Sharif and Zardari. 5 years of epic corruption and the PMLN government didn't care to shed any light on that when they came into power. You can read between the lines.

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Or so your leader claims.

Again, facts and evidence needs to be presented. Tailoring evidence to suit one's rhetorical needs is equivalent to misrepresentation and fraud in the eyes of the law.

You claim 67 years is enough time. How much time have you actually given to democracy in 67 years? For every 3 years we were a democracy, roughly the next 10 years were military dictatorship. This stop-start process of democracy failed to ingrain 1) democratic values in the masses. 2) failed to consolidate democratic institutions in the country. 3) failed to allow a coherent political culture to develop, alongside a consistent parliamentary and judicial system.

Give democracy alone a chance to run for 67 years, and I'm sure you'll see wonders. Turkey turned in it's situation completely around in the last 15-20 years following its bout with military dictatorship, which had pushed the country to the verge of bankruptcy in the 1980s (more than anyone, their experience with their military is similar to ours).

Personally, I'm not just in for giving it time, but also studying it thoroughly because I want to do something for my country too. I'd consider that far better than participating in a sham disobedience movement where I'd sit behind and use the Internet service I'd purchased including paying GST on it despite my leader saying no taxes should be paid.

there were enough videos right after the election and enough first hand voter testimonies to put many in the PMLN leadership behind bars...can you name one against whom a case was file and/or is serving in jail?

There is no law and order in the country against the powerful and you want to give democracy a chance? Democracy can only work when their is a law of the land...otherwise you can give it 500 years it will never work.

 

[saadibaba]

And for those who think IMF is giving Ishaq Dar a tough time post "civil disobedience" call by IK

http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2014/pr14392.htm

 

[blinding light]

hope you are not that naive? PPP will be back in 2018 with a huge bang and PMLN will be reduced to rubble. This a merry go around sir between the families of Sharif and Zardari. 5 years of epic corruption and the PMLN government didn't care to shed any light on that when they came into power. You can read between the lines.

That, my friend, is as big an assumption as any. Something that is advocated a lot from PTI, but has no factual basis to it.

'Reading between the lines' is a claim that will not be entertained in any court of law.

PPP was practically annihilated in the 2013 elections. FACT. A combined MQM/PTI onslaught in Karachi and complete rejection from Punjab. They can't even play the decent role of opposition - not my words, but what all journalists and anchors agree upon.

Post elections, PTI was rising as a strong candidate to challenge and enforce accountability in the Parliament. But unfortunately, IK and NS equally ignored the Parliamentary procedure in favour of ground-rallies and pressure groups, while the latter slipped into their well-termed baadshahat role. Both have equal showings in the Parl, and no, the electoral reforms bill is still pending in the Parl, it hasn't been written off.

there were enough videos right after the election and enough first hand voter testimonies to put many in the PMLN leadership behind bars...can you name one against whom a case was file and/or is serving in jail?

There is no law and order in the country against the powerful and you want to give democracy a chance? Democracy can only work when their is a law of the land...otherwise you can give it 500 years it will never work.

No. And that should serve as the impetus for not voting them in future elections.

The stage was perfectly set for PTI. But this move has seriously undermined it's repute, now.

Are you freaking kidding me? Look at US, UK. They were as partisan and corrupt and ridden with human rights abuses as any other country in the past 2-300 years. Look at them now. THAT is what happens when you allow democracy to prevail. The system cleanses itself.

Yes it is flawed, yes it is not absolutely perfect. But it is the only process we have. When someone doesn't WANT it to work because they want their fav political party in power, then it's the person's fault, not democracy's!

 

[blinding light]

double post.

 

[saadibaba]

Another blow to PTI.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/750292/chamber-of-commerce-rejects-civil-disobedience-call/

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

That, my friend, is as big an assumption as any. Something that is advocated a lot from PTI, but has no factual basis to it.

'Reading between the lines' is a claim that will not be entertained in any court of law.

PPP was practically annihilated in the 2013 elections. FACT. A combined MQM/PTI onslaught in Karachi and complete rejection from Punjab. They can't even play the decent role of opposition - not my words, but what all journalists and anchors agree upon.

Post elections, PTI was rising as a strong candidate to challenge and enforce accountability in the Parliament. But unfortunately, IK and NS equally ignored the Parliamentary procedure in favour of ground-rallies and pressure groups, while the latter slipped into their well-termed baadshahat role. Both have equal showings in the Parl, and no, the electoral reforms bill is still pending in the Parl, it hasn't been written off.




No. And that should serve as the impetus for not voting them in future elections.

The stage was perfectly set for PTI. But this move has seriously undermined it's repute, now.

Are you freaking kidding me? Look at US, UK. They were as partisan and corrupt and ridden with human rights abuses as any other country in the past 2-300 years. Look at them now. THAT is what happens when you allow democracy to prevail. The system cleanses itself.

Yes it is flawed, yes it is not absolutely perfect. But it is the only process we have. When someone doesn't WANT it to work because they want their fav political party in power, then it's the person's fault, not democracy's!

CORRUPT? oh come on. They were never corrupt in the same sense. As for human rights that was a social flaw which wasn't fixed through democracy sir.

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

That, my friend, is as big an assumption as any. Something that is advocated a lot from PTI, but has no factual basis to it.

'Reading between the lines' is a claim that will not be entertained in any court of law.

PPP was practically annihilated in the 2013 elections. FACT. A combined MQM/PTI onslaught in Karachi and complete rejection from Punjab. They can't even play the decent role of opposition - not my words, but what all journalists and anchors agree upon.

Post elections, PTI was rising as a strong candidate to challenge and enforce accountability in the Parliament. But unfortunately, IK and NS equally ignored the Parliamentary procedure in favour of ground-rallies and pressure groups, while the latter slipped into their well-termed baadshahat role. Both have equal showings in the Parl, and no, the electoral reforms bill is still pending in the Parl, it hasn't been written off.




No. And that should serve as the impetus for not voting them in future elections.

The stage was perfectly set for PTI. But this move has seriously undermined it's repute, now.

Are you freaking kidding me? Look at US, UK. They were as partisan and corrupt and ridden with human rights abuses as any other country in the past 2-300 years. Look at them now. THAT is what happens when you allow democracy to prevail. The system cleanses itself.

Yes it is flawed, yes it is not absolutely perfect. But it is the only process we have. When someone doesn't WANT it to work because they want their fav political party in power, then it's the person's fault, not democracy's!

which court of law? Pakistan has no court of law, court of power and money but not law. Name 1 influential person put behind bars in recent times? one?

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

And for those who think IMF is giving Ishaq Dar a tough time post "civil disobedience" call by IK

http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2014/pr14392.htm

Should IMF be giving Pakistan any loans? Any sensible person would say no. A country led by crooks with no law and order against the powerful and wealthy. IMF is playing a dirty game with Pakistan, shoving the entire nation under debt that won't be paid off for next few generations.

 

[DrSchultz]

How much time left before deadline?

 

[saadibaba]

Should IMF be giving Pakistan any loans? Any sensible person would say no. A country led by crooks with no law and order against the powerful and wealthy. IMF is playing a dirty game with Pakistan, shoving the entire nation under debt that won't be paid off for next few generations.

Agree, but I was told by my PTI friends yesterday that the whole point behind this civil disobedience movement is to convince IMF and other international lending institutes to not give any more loans to Pakistan because the govt. is illegitimate and their loans will not be paid back and not because taking loans from IMF is the wrong way to go in the first place. This was supposed to be the "masterstroke of genius" by IK. Just letting them know that it doesn't seem to be working.

 

[Noora420]

Subtle happiness in libidos' posts when PTI fails (in their head) to achieve something, shows they won't mind a corrupt-libido-wannabe ruling the country over an honest guy just because latter is a right winger #Respect

Traders have always been closet patwaris because nooras help them evade taxes. Them rejecting IK's call is not a blow to PTI but a blow to Pakistan. But, that doesn't matter as long as Safma is happy.

 

[Indiafan]

Imran has vowed to march into the red zone tomorrow

http://www.dawn.com/news/1126128/imran-vows-to-lead-march-into-islamabads-red-zone

“Because I am worried that the police is ours and you are also mine, and I do not want any clash with police. That’s why I have decided I will lead the march to the Red Zone,” he said to the protesters.

“Police will have to decide whether they will fire at Imran Khan or not. I know the Pakistani police will not shoot at Imran Khan,” he said. To the “Gullu Butts,” he said if they raise arms against workers, they will have no place to hide.

 

[srh]

what is a red zone anyway? and why it is considered so holy in Pakistan?

 

[Azlan Khan]

what is a red zone anyway? and why it is considered so holy in Pakistan?

Our presidents have made this a 'Holy' during there stays. You have the Parliament house and all the embassies over there.

 

[s28]

Looks like the Guardians pinko socialist so-called journalists decided to follow their 'party line' by giving a platform to Sethi without informing their readers that Sethi is part of the problem and not an 'independent observer'. Journalist has quite rightly been called out on shoddy/corrupt journalism in the Comments section

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-quit-pakistan-parliament?#start-of-comments

 

[Badsha]

IMO, PMLN was screwing everything up perfectly well by themselves. The awaam is not based on idiots. Look at what happened to PPP in Punjab in these elections. Or was PPP the perfect democratic, constitutional and corruption-free party who too were robbed of their right to be re-elected thanks to PMLN's rigging?

Really sorry to say but this is Naive thinking. I too want a democratic process to continue but how can it even prosper if its implantation itself is false. There wasn't a few rigged polling stations, there was MASSIVE rigging.

Like another poster said, 2018 will see PPP in charge and the drama of these two parties will go on forever. The country can not take anymore. It's being dried out fast by these two parties.

 

[Azzurri]

[MENTION=14431]blinding light[/MENTION] We as a nation have memory loss problem , we forget things far too easily
These two political parties(PPP , PMLN ) are ruling us for the last 2.5 decates for some obvious reasons and this trend won't stop until unless someone stops them and that's what IK is trying to do and we instead of supporting him are trying to blame him blindingly without any obvious facts,
For sure he's the one and only honest and sincere political leader in pakistan and if he's is sacrificing everything for our bright future then why are we hesitating to support him ?
Elections in 2013 were massively rigged and they have proved it many times , Holding back and letting this government to complete these 5 years without changing this faulty system ain't gonna help us in future , we need to step up now otherwise this mockery won't stop. it's now or never situation for us pakistaniz

 

[Fastandfurious]

PTI supporters after Chairman Imran Khan's call towards Red Zone

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152367419049527&set=vb.151626539526&type=2&theater

Some intense stuff!

 

[Anfield]

[MENTION=14431]blinding light[/MENTION] We as a nation have memory loss problem , we forget things far too easily
These two political parties(PPP , PMLN ) are ruling us for the last 2.5 decates for some obvious reasons and this trend won't stop until unless someone stops them and that's what IK is trying to do and we instead of supporting him are trying to blame him blindingly without any obvious facts,
For sure he's the one and only honest and sincere political leader in pakistan and if he's is sacrificing everything for our bright future then why are we hesitating to support him ?
Elections in 2013 were massively rigged and they have proved it many times , Holding back and letting this government to complete these 5 years without changing this faulty system ain't gonna help us in future , we need to step up now otherwise this mockery won't stop. it's now or never situation for us pakistaniz

This!

NS won with a thumping majority in 1990 but PPP was back in power in 2 years. NS again 1997/98 won with a 2/3 majority (PPP only got 19 seats LOL) but PPP was back in power in 2007. These two parties would keep coming back unless the system is changed. People don't elect them, they elect themselves, especially PMLN.

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

This!

NS won with a thumping majority in 1990 but PPP was back in power in 2 years. NS again 1997/98 won with a 2/3 majority (PPP only got 19 seats LOL) but PPP was back in power in 2007. These two parties would keep coming back unless the system is changed. People don't elect them, they elect themselves, especially PMLN.

but but but give democracy TIME...democracy will FIX EVERYTHING if you just give it TIME...LOL


people forget the BS that went on from 1988 to 1999

 

[blinding light]

but but but give democracy TIME...democracy will FIX EVERYTHING if you just give it TIME...LOL





people forget the BS that went on from 1988 to 1999

I'm on the phone so I wont give very detailed replies.

WHAT ELSE do you have in mind?! Have you seen some of the statements your leader is making? Forget democracy I dont think he even wants Pakistan to stand in one piece!

Go ahead - storm the Parliament, all major embassies, resign from assemblies, shut down the dams, destroy your enemies, tell everyone in the world what a damn jaahil this nation is, drag your PM around the streets, and let all "Gullu Butts" be treated by thr freakin' TTP Imran likes to bend over backwards to appease.

But when Pakistan turns into another damn Libya or Egyot, don't come running back to the argument of why we never persisted with the democratic system. When there ia foreign intervention to supposedly retake our military assets, then don't make any excuses!

Continue your hero-worship. Continue believing in the half truths PTI admin feeds you to further their own agenda. All those who thought change can be brought by the same rejected B grade politicians that have featured in all governments will see their delusions fall apart in time. IK himself was the last link and now its gone.

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

I'm on the phone so I wont give very detailed replies.

WHAT ELSE do you have in mind?! Have you seen some of the statements your leader is making? Forget democracy I dont think he even wants Pakistan to stand in one piece!

Go ahead - storm the Parliament, all major embassies, resign from assemblies, shut down the dams, destroy your enemies, tell everyone in the world what a damn jaahil this nation is, drag your PM around the streets, and let all "Gullu Butts" be treated by thr freakin' TTP Imran likes to bend over backwards to appease.

But when Pakistan turns into another damn Libya or Egyot, don't come running back to the argument of why we never persisted with the democratic system. When there ia foreign intervention to supposedly retake our military assets, then don't make any excuses!

Continue your hero-worship. Continue believing in the half truths PTI admin feeds you to further their own agenda. All those who thought change can be brought by the same rejected B grade politicians that have featured in all governments will see their delusions fall apart in time. IK himself was the last link and now its gone.

The world already thinks really highly of us...come here n find out

As for our PM, you are telling you wouldn't grab his neck and drag him through the streets if you had the chance? He is a crook sir with no disregard for anyone...

 

[blinding light]

[MENTION=14431]blinding light[/MENTION] We as a nation have memory loss problem , we forget things far too easily
These two political parties(PPP , PMLN ) are ruling us for the last 2.5 decates for some obvious reasons and this trend won't stop until unless someone stops them and that's what IK is trying to do and we instead of supporting him are trying to blame him blindingly without any obvious facts,
For sure he's the one and only honest and sincere political leader in pakistan and if he's is sacrificing everything for our bright future then why are we hesitating to support him ?
Elections in 2013 were massively rigged and they have proved it many times , Holding back and letting this government to complete these 5 years without changing this faulty system ain't gonna help us in future , we need to step up now otherwise this mockery won't stop. it's now or never situation for us pakistaniz

We are hesitating to support him because in actuality, intentions matter zilch when you claim to openly storm the Parliament!

What's wrong with everyone? Didnt PTI rise up as a party to counter the PPP-PMLN hegemony? Did it not turn into a major force?! THAT'S HOW DEMOCRACIES WORK!

Go study the histories of Turkey and Egypt. analyse them! Even Iran! See for yourself how new parties develop and come to the fore! This isnt the 80s or 90s anymore, with one captured TV channel. The internet has been certified a liberation technology - PMLN was fudging up perfectly, and IK would have sweeped the next elections!

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

I'm on the phone so I wont give very detailed replies.

WHAT ELSE do you have in mind?! Have you seen some of the statements your leader is making? Forget democracy I dont think he even wants Pakistan to stand in one piece!

Go ahead - storm the Parliament, all major embassies, resign from assemblies, shut down the dams, destroy your enemies, tell everyone in the world what a damn jaahil this nation is, drag your PM around the streets, and let all "Gullu Butts" be treated by thr freakin' TTP Imran likes to bend over backwards to appease.

But when Pakistan turns into another damn Libya or Egyot, don't come running back to the argument of why we never persisted with the democratic system. When there ia foreign intervention to supposedly retake our military assets, then don't make any excuses!

Continue your hero-worship. Continue believing in the half truths PTI admin feeds you to further their own agenda. All those who thought change can be brought by the same rejected B grade politicians that have featured in all governments will see their delusions fall apart in time. IK himself was the last link and now its gone.

Btw nice over reaction and fear tactics

67 years of BS and we are still standing and no one is "intervening" but the sight of a well wisher will bring the hawks eh??? Tells you something doesn't it

 

[blinding light]

The world already thinks really highly of us...come here n find out





As for our PM, you are telling you wouldn't grab his neck and drag him through the streets if you had the chance? He is a crook sir with no disregard for anyone...

I know sure as hell what the world thinks about us. As I've said before, a country brimming with fundos with a fetish for army and extremist elements. Some pseudo intellectuals use the "term failed state". But are you aware of the définition of a failed state? A political entity with NO GOVERNMENT. No administration, no effective legislative nor executive.



Look through your rhetoric. We have our problems but we are still a coherent state. Rather we were unless IK and TUQ decided to turn our capital into their political playground.



Lose whatever little you do have left, and then decry your actions.



As for what I would do with NS, that's irrelevant. But I'd prefer a lifetime imprisonment if it were,to me. Administered by state institutions because I'm not a jaahil barbaric

 

[blinding light]

Btw nice over reaction and fear tactics



67 years of BS and we are still standing and no one is "intervening" but the sight of a well wisher will bring the hawks eh??? Tells you something doesn't it

Yeah. No other party has ever resort to PTI's thuggery as well.

Go read a newspaper. See whats happening in Ukraine and Syria. Go read the Kosovo incident and educate yourself.

You're deluded to think no one will notice when a nuclear state is on the verge of anarchy. One that is already actively engaged in a damn war with NWA!

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

I know sure as hell what the world thinks about us. As I've said before, a country brimming with fundos with a fetish for army and extremist elements. Some pseudo intellectuals use the "term failed state". But are you aware of the définition of a failed state? A political entity with NO GOVERNMENT. No administration, no effective legislative nor executive.



Look through your rhetoric. We have our problems but we are still a coherent state. Rather we were unless IK and TUQ decided to turn our capital into their political playground.



Lose whatever little you do have left, and then decry your actions.



As for what I would do with NS, that's irrelevant. But I'd prefer a lifetime imprisonment if it were,to me. Administered by state institutions because I'm not a jaahil barbaric

Again easy for you to say "coherent" when you aren't the one living below the poverty line, or the masses without a job without safarish after studying their entire life

Ppl are living under oppression...something has to give

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Yeah. No other party has ever resort to PTI's thuggery as well.

Go read a newspaper. See whats happening in Ukraine and Syria. Go read the Kosovo incident and educate yourself.

You're deluded to think no one will notice when a nuclear state is on the verge of anarchy. One that is already actively engaged in a damn war with NWA!

Btw if democracy is under so much danger how come the government isn't doing anything?

 

[endymion248]

[MENTION=14431]blinding light[/MENTION] We as a nation have memory loss problem , we forget things far too easily
These two political parties(PPP , PMLN ) are ruling us for the last 2.5 decates for some obvious reasons and this trend won't stop until unless someone stops them and that's what IK is trying to do and we instead of supporting him are trying to blame him blindingly without any obvious facts,
For sure he's the one and only honest and sincere political leader in pakistan and if he's is sacrificing everything for our bright future then why are we hesitating to support him ?
Elections in 2013 were massively rigged and they have proved it many times , Holding back and letting this government to complete these 5 years without changing this faulty system ain't gonna help us in future , we need to step up now otherwise this mockery won't stop. it's now or never situation for us pakistaniz

It's strange that you mention memory loss problem but conveniently forget to talk about the nine years of dictatorship that disrupted the whole process, not to mention none of the 90s govs completed their term.

 

[blinding light]

Btw if democracy is under so much danger how come the government isn't doing anything?

And commence spilling blood over this protest?!



I should add. IK's genius moves are setting up the perfect political martyr card for the N league. Bet on it.

 

[blinding light]

Again easy for you to say "coherent" when you aren't the one living below the poverty line, or the masses without a job without safarish after studying their entire life



Ppl are living under oppression...something has to give

And are you? Are you living under this oppression? Or are you writing from your air conditioned room, knowing where you'll get the next meal from?

Yes they are under oppression. But wait for THEM to wake up from it. You think a "revolution" enforced top-down from the urban middle class would mean anything to the mazdoor who makes 200 rupees in a day?!

Evolution, man, evolution. It HAS worked in the past!

 

[blinding light]

It's strange that you mention memory loss problem but conveniently forget to talk about the nine years of dictatorship that disrupted the whole process, not to mention none of the 90s govs completed their term.

Forget it endy. Let them label current democracy a failed experiment on the 15-20 years where Pak was democratic in intermittent times throughout our history.

 

[endymion248]

Can someone explain to me why IK and his supporters consider the accusation that the right to form government was stolen from them like a bygone conclusion? I was under the impression that most people agreed last year that the election was as fair as you can get under the current system and PML-N would have earned majority o matter what. Aren't PTI's oppositions against the elections modus operandi things they knew before participating in the elections?

 

[saadibaba]

Finally got some time to read the last few pages of this thread....have to give it to [MENTION=14431]blinding light[/MENTION]. It was a treat reading your replies to the same old worn out arguments regurgitated by the PTI fanboys. Very well articulated and hitting the nail on the head every time.

Dil khush kar diya!


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[Nostalgic]

Finally got some time to read the last few pages of this thread....have to give it to [MENTION=14431]blinding light[/MENTION]. It was a treat reading your replies to the same old worn out arguments regurgitated by the PTI fanboys. Very well articulated and hitting the nail on the head every time.

Dil khush kar diya!


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Except [MENTION=218]UsmanhailsAfridi[/MENTION] keeps calling her "Sir."

 

[saadibaba]

Except [MENTION=218]UsmanhailsAfridi[/MENTION] keeps calling her "Sir."

Old habits die hard.....I myself have made the faux pas a few times of calling ladies in senior authoritative positions as Sir, followed immediately by Ma'am. He probably thought that because it's a political discussion, it has to be a male on the other side. Can't blame him as I am still trying to cleanse myself of the social and environmental misogyny around me while I was growing up, which despite being repulsive to me now has probably seeped inside by subconscious and comes out in ways I sometimes have no control over.


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[Nostalgic]

Old habits die hard.....I myself have made the faux pas a few times of calling ladies in senior authoritative positions as Sir, followed immediately by Ma'am. He probably thought that because it's a political discussion, it has to be a male on the other side. Can't blame him as I am still trying to cleanse myself of the social and environmental misogyny around me while I was growing up, which despite being repulsive to me now has probably seeped inside by subconscious and comes out in ways I sometimes have no control over.


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The reverse happened to me in school. We had junior and senior wings. The junior wing was co-ed, the senior wings weren't. So we went from having all-female teachers to male ones when we went from class 5 to 6. For a good six months we kept calling our very male teachers miss or ma'am.

They didn't say anything. They were probably used to each new class doing it.

 

[LongHorn]

After a particularly stressful and disorienting day I sit in front of the TV and while channel hopping, the Mrs switches into one of the Pakistani channels, and I see IK giving a loud speech with ultimatums and saying they have resigned. There is a small face of TAQ with a countdown next to his face saying 3 hours 3 minutes left for something. After watching it for 5 minutes I go to bed even more disoriented and confused as I was not that well versed with recent happenings in the Pakistani political scene.
Some days when you are stressed out, you really need to avoid the news channels and go straight to some senseless Akshay Kumar flick like Rowdy Rathore if you want to relax.

 

[blinding light]

Just applying what I toil over at university, [MENTION=2071]saadibaba[/MENTION]



And a note for everyone - since you're all posting in PP, I know you're all worthy posters. While I may come across as a tad too harsh or indignant, please do know that I respect you all. I wouldn't be having a meaningful discussion here if I knew the audience was not worth it.

I try to prioritise Pakistan in all my exchanges. May Allah help our nation!


[MENTION=22846]Nostalgic[/MENTION] - bro, I've been called sir in real life too

 

[saadibaba]

After a particularly stressful and disorienting day I sit in front of the TV and while channel hopping, the Mrs switches into one of the Pakistani channels, and I see IK giving a loud speech with ultimatums and saying they have resigned. There is a small face of TAQ with a countdown next to his face saying 3 hours 3 minutes left for something. After watching it for 5 minutes I go to bed even more disoriented and confused as I was not that well versed with recent happenings in the Pakistani political scene.
Some days when you are stressed out, you really need to avoid the news channels and go straight to some senseless Akshay Kumar flick like Rowdy Rathore if you want to relax.

You are not missing much.

Reminds me of this recent tweet by NFP: The crisis can be solved by simply pressing the "off" button on the TV remote.

We need more ppl like you.


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[Runner Up]

 

[AZ]

irony gayi tail lene..

gotta give it pti fans upset n angry with party still question it.. whilst you guys were defending killing 17 ppl a few weeks back.

have said it a million times it was a reprehensible act from the authorities, whoever is found reprehensible across the board should be taken to task .

Keep feeling sorry for me. A leader like Imran Khan deserves my unconditional support as long as it does not cross my religion or morals.

One of the bravest men I've witnessed in my life time.


EDIT: on the other hand you support a bunch of crooks. LOLOL

so then it clearly is not blind support? make up your mind.

this is exactly the kind of attitude that makes PTI come across more as a cult than a political party.

 

[Indiafan]

This!

NS won with a thumping majority in 1990 but PPP was back in power in 2 years. NS again 1997/98 won with a 2/3 majority (PPP only got 19 seats LOL) but PPP was back in power in 2007. These two parties would keep coming back unless the system is changed. People don't elect them, they elect themselves, especially PMLN.

but but but give democracy TIME...democracy will FIX EVERYTHING if you just give it TIME...LOL


people forget the BS that went on from 1988 to 1999

You convinently ignore the fact that each time, army had come in between and had not let the elected government complete it's term.

As I said again and again, corrupt politicians come to power because every interruption means that everyone has to start from square one. These groups will always come to power when things start again as they already have a strong base. On the other hand, newer parties like PTI, newer politicians like Imran need time to convince people and take power away from the previous ones. This requires time

This was the first time an elected government completed term. What was the result? PTI could get a base, and get so many seats, which was a great achievement for a first time party. In 5-10-15 years, PTI, with its progress in KPK and winning the trust of the people, would have had a good chance of coming to power

But what will happen if the government falls? There will be interim rule for a couple of years, till new election. And new parties like PTI will have to again prove themselves, instead of building over what was left. Take any of the popular politicians in the world, Obama, Modi, anyone. And see how much they worked hard through the system before proving themselves and defeating their opponents. If at any point of the process, there had been a 'revolution' or over throw of the democratic process, there is no way these guys would have risen through the system

 

[s28]

Shahbaz, Nisar hold 2nd meeting with army chief
19 August, 2014


ISLAMABAD: Interior Minister Nisar Ali Khan and Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif on Monday met Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif in Rawalpindi.

This was the second meeting between the two PML-N leaders and army chief within a span of five days, with the last such meeting held on August14. Although there was no official confirmation of the meeting, but sources insisted that consultations were held in the backdrop of the current political impasse prompted by sit-ins of PTI and PAT in the heart of capital, Islamabad.

Sources said fears being expressed by some quarters notwithstanding, the military leadership is bent on keeping itself out of political matters, conveying in categorical manner that no one would be allowed to create chaos in the country.

The meeting also discussed the security situation in the country along with issues related to law and order. PTI chief Imran Khan and PAT chief Tahirul Qadri's demand that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif should resign also came under discussion.

Sources said that it was agreed during the meeting that dialogue should be opened immediately with the PTI and PAT to come to middle ground. The PML N leadership is learnt to have assured that the government will review the demands of PTI and PAT within the ambit of the constitution.

Meanwhile, outgoing International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) Commander General Joseph Dunford called on General Raheel Sharif at the General Headquarters on Monday. During the meeting, matters of mutual interest came under discussion, including post-election situation in Afghanistan and coordination along Pak-Afghan border.

The COAS particularly thanked the outgoing ISAF commander for his efforts towards stability in Afghanistan.

http://paktribune.com/news/Shahbaz-Nisar-hold-2nd-meeting-with-army-chief-270937.html

 

[dhump]

Shahbaz, Nisar hold 2nd meeting with army chief
19 August, 2014


ISLAMABAD: Interior Minister Nisar Ali Khan and Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif on Monday met Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif in Rawalpindi.

This was the second meeting between the two PML-N leaders and army chief within a span of five days, with the last such meeting held on August14. Although there was no official confirmation of the meeting, but sources insisted that consultations were held in the backdrop of the current political impasse prompted by sit-ins of PTI and PAT in the heart of capital, Islamabad.

Sources said fears being expressed by some quarters notwithstanding, the military leadership is bent on keeping itself out of political matters, conveying in categorical manner that no one would be allowed to create chaos in the country.

The meeting also discussed the security situation in the country along with issues related to law and order. PTI chief Imran Khan and PAT chief Tahirul Qadri's demand that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif should resign also came under discussion.

Sources said that it was agreed during the meeting that dialogue should be opened immediately with the PTI and PAT to come to middle ground. The PML N leadership is learnt to have assured that the government will review the demands of PTI and PAT within the ambit of the constitution.

Meanwhile, outgoing International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) Commander General Joseph Dunford called on General Raheel Sharif at the General Headquarters on Monday. During the meeting, matters of mutual interest came under discussion, including post-election situation in Afghanistan and coordination along Pak-Afghan border.

The COAS particularly thanked the outgoing ISAF commander for his efforts towards stability in Afghanistan.

http://paktribune.com/news/Shahbaz-Nisar-hold-2nd-meeting-with-army-chief-270937.html

These meetings are totally meaningless . It is on record that when ever army takeover our political leaders have such meetings right before this. Zia took oath to protect and follow bhutto, Musharaf had a dinner with Nawazs family before his flight to sri lanka when whole hell broke loose.

I have a very strong feeling that we are going the same route just in a different manner as our Army is well planned now.

 

[Azzurri]

It's strange that you mention memory loss problem but conveniently forget to talk about the nine years of dictatorship that disrupted the whole process, not to mention none of the 90s govs completed their term.

Lol pmlq was an elected party , You noora's are responsible for present situation

 

[Fallen King]

The Pied Piper and the lost children



Pakistani opposition politician Imran Khan (C) addresses the supporters during a protest march against the country's Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz-led government in Islamabad on August 18, 2014. — Photo by AFP
PESHAWAR: The young Peshawarites, who voted for Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf in May 11 general elections think Imran Khan’s call for ‘civil disobedience’ is useless and the language he used during that address was very ‘uncivil’.

“I never expected that Imran Khan with his education and brought up would use such bad language,” said Yasir Afridi, who voted for PTI in the last general election along with his other family members.

“Not only me but all the 30 members of my family who voted for PTI, now regret to have voted for this party,” he said disappointedly.

The agenda of ‘change’ had mesmerised the youth in many parts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. The charismatic personality of former cricket star Imran Khan pulled crowds of youth whenever he liked to speak.

The number of youth, who enrolled in Tabdeeli Razakaar Programme of PTI before elections to propagate the party agenda, showed that how their expectations were raised. In the elections, people especially housewives who had not visited a polling station in their entire life also voted for bat, the election symbol of PTI.

PTI was voted into power in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa because its chairman had promised to bring change within 90 days if voted to power. One-and-a-half year later, after getting elected to power in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, nothing seems to have changed.

“The only thing that has changed is my opinion about PTI. That is a good change I guess,” said Irfan Ali, another youth from Swabi who voted for PTI in the previous elections.

While some show disappointment with the way PTI, especially its chairman, has treated the people of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, many who voted for ‘bat’ do not even like to remember now why they voted for PTI in the first place.

“I had lost my mind, I guess, when I voted for PTI,” retorted Saeed Khan, who voted for PTI because he liked cricket and was a big fan of Imran Khan. He thought that since Imran Khan had no history of corruption and was a young politician, he would be different from others.

“He is different all right but not the way I thought he was,” said Saeed, who vowed that he would never vote for PTI again.

Some housewives feel that it was good for them to support PTI in the elections as it helped them to clear their mind. “They won’t commit such a mistake again.”

Many of the PTI voters from Peshawar seem disappointed as according to them the province hasn’t witnessed any change but the speeches of Imran Khan since Aug 14 has made things clearer. Those who still love Imran Khan, the cricketer, have no reason for it.

“Don’t say anything against Imran Khan. I can’t explain but I like him too much,” said Rehman Wazir, a middle age voter of PTI.

Imran Khan during his recent Azadi March speeches proudly said that if there was a re-election in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the position of his party would be the same. However, reality is different. The disgruntled MPAs of PTI, who had formed a pressure group, had conveyed to the party’s chairman that how disappointing the performance of the PTI-led provincial government was.

A minister and an adviser to the chief minister were removed for ‘bad performance’ but it still didn’t make any difference. “The party should not expect winning the next general elections on the basis of its performance,” this was clearly conveyed by the pressure group to the chairman.

“I thought things would be different. We would get good jobs but look what is happening in Islamabad. What good in it is for us,” said Irfan, who feels Imran Khan just wants to become prime minister.

The people of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa seem to have always shown a reactionary approach when it comes to voting political parties. The people here voted, tried and dumped Mutahidda Majlis-i-Amal, an alliance of the politico-religious parties in post- 9/11 scenario.

Then the people of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa voted for a nationalist political party in the province, which was and still is targeted for calling terrorist a terrorist.

The propaganda about its ‘corruption’ which started against it within the first few months of its rule also created mistrust among the people. The party lost badly because of bad performance but also because of ‘pre-poll rigging’ since its workers and leaders were targeted by terrorists during the election campaign.

Some people simply voted for PTI that there would be no more suicide attacks since it was not as anti-Taliban as Awami National Party. The people, who wanted a ‘change’ also voted for PTI. More than a year since it is in power, ‘Naya Khyber Pakhtunkhwa’ doesn’t look any different. It still has its problems as any other city of the country.

Like the Pied Piper of Hamlin who rid the city of mice but also ended up leading the children away into nothingness, the youth who voted PTI just because they had high hopes from Imran Khan look like the lost children.

Published in Dawn, August 19th, 2014


http://www.dawn.com/news/1126305/the-pied-piper-and-the-lost-children

 

[Runner Up]

It's Tuesday and all previous military takeovers took place on Tuesday. Source, Pak Media

 

[Nostalgic]

It's Tuesday and all previous military takeovers took place on Tuesday. Source, Pak Media

And all three coups have been executed by moustached Generals. Yahya Khan remains the sole clean-shaven military ruler, but he merely inherited Ayub's martial law, so he doesn't count.

Nawaz has only himself to blame if there's a "Meray Azeez Humwatano" speech in the offing. He should've gone with Tariq Khan in the first place. Tariq Khan is clean-shaven.

 

[Runner Up]

Don't know what to say. Of course they were mummy dady people but the poor agent wouldn't even know what the "Civil Disobedient" is. Just take it as a fun video

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...151626539526&type=2&theater&notif_t=notify_me

 

[Azzurri]

We are hesitating to support him because in actuality, intentions matter zilch when you claim to openly storm the Parliament!

What's wrong with everyone? Didnt PTI rise up as a party to counter the PPP-PMLN hegemony? Did it not turn into a major force?! THAT'S HOW DEMOCRACIES WORK!

Go study the histories of Turkey and Egypt. analyse them! Even Iran! See for yourself how new parties develop and come to the fore! This isnt the 80s or 90s anymore, with one captured TV channel. The internet has been certified a liberation technology - PMLN was fudging up perfectly, and IK would have sweeped the next elections!

Lol seriously ? Do you really believe that we can have free & fair elections with this set up ?

Imran khan wanted to renovate our electoral system so that we might have a free & fair elections next time
Why Pml didn't listed to imran khan's allegations ?
recountiung and thumb verification in 4 constitution ain't a big demand and it would have only helped us to improve our electoral system

TBH You guys are over reacting .. Without electoral reforms it will be a same old story

 

[s28]

The West have shown that they don't care about their principles when their own narrow self interest is at stake with the collusion with General Sisi regime in Egypt.

So they won't have any legitimacy in condemning a Pakistani military takeover. However it is up to Nawaz Sharif to see the writing on the wall and go now rather than force a bloody end.

 

[zimmz]

And for those who think IMF is giving Ishaq Dar a tough time post "civil disobedience" call by IK

http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2014/pr14392.htm

There was planned meeting on 19th with IMF. Anyone knows what happened to that? I read on facebook feed some friend quoting Dunya News that the meeting was cancelled.

 

[the Great Khan]

the fact is Nawaz sharif has failed once again to bring calmness and stability to what was , lets be honest, a pretty straight forward dispute. How can this man be taken seriously after his complete mismanagement of the situation? What if theirs a major foreign policy crisis tomorrow? will he run crying to Obama or the saudis to save him and his family?

If IK doesn't get rid of him, the courts and the army will after he has been indicted for being responsible for the model town shootings. That in itself should mean he hands in his resignation. Eitehr way , even if IK fails, Nawaz is history!!

 

[the Great Khan]

Can someone explain to me why IK and his supporters consider the accusation that the right to form government was stolen from them like a bygone conclusion? I was under the impression that most people agreed last year that the election was as fair as you can get under the current system and PML-N would have earned majority o matter what. Aren't PTI's oppositions against the elections modus operandi things they knew before participating in the elections?

that's not the point. The issue is that massive rigging took place in quite a few seats. If rigging takes place anywhere , it should be investigated and actions taken to rectify this. The govt has shown no inclination to do this and hence condones massive rigging. Therefore the results of the election , even if the PMLN, won failry as you claim, are tainted. As a result new elections should be called and the matter settled once and for all. That's what happens in democracies. But Pakistan isn't a democracy it is a cleptocracy . A mughlai badshahat lead by a man who's brain is still in 1992.

 

[Sakss]

Jesi qaum wase hukmuran ... Allah ka azab hai ye sab

 

[Azzurri]

Jesi qaum wase hukmuran ... Allah ka azab hai ye sab

Ap nain puri quom k behalf pay khud he faisla suna diya ? :GulluButt

 

[Sakss]

Ap nain puri quom k behalf pay khud he faisla suna diya ? :GulluButt

Bhai jab tak log khud theek nahin honge leaders ne kya kerna ha...Jung apne ap se shuru kero,, apne ap mei revolution le k ao...

Dosron pr ungli uthana asan hai

 

[Azzurri]

Bhai jab tak log khud theek nahin honge leaders ne kya kerna ha...Jung apne ap se shuru kero,, apne ap mei revolution le k ao...

Dosron pr ungli uthana asan hai

Ho sakta hai logon nain kafi change kr liya ho khud ko

 

[Sakss]

Ho sakta hai logon nain kafi change kr liya ho khud ko

Well if they have then achi baat hai.. Talk about unity you have several parties with their own supporters waiting to kill each other off. Qaid ne bola tha unity faith aur discipline ka.. Teenon ki kaami ha ustad

 

[saadibaba]

PESHAWAR: The Pakistan Tehreek-I-Insaf (PTI) has devised a dangerous strategy to march into the Red Zone and Constitutional Avenue.

PTI sources have said that women and children will be included in the march towards areas guarded by riot police, paramilitary forces, containers and barbed wire.

K-P Minister Shaukat Yousafzai confirmed that women and children would march in the second row, right behind key PTI legislators and Imran Khan. The PTI Youth Wing would follow behind the women. When questioned about the inclusion of women and children, Yousafzai said the march would be peaceful, and the women and children were being placed in the centre for their safety.

Federal Minister for Safron Abdul Qadir Baloch has termed the PTI's plan "inhuman". He alleged that the PTI leadership was using the children and women as a human shield.

Speaking to media in front of Parliament House, Baloch said including women and children in a march - where violent clashes are expected - was unacceptable.

A PTI legislator on condition of anonymity said party members were clueless as to the logic behind Imran's decisions.

"He [Imran] is on his own. He doesn't listen to anyone and party leaders are really annoyed, but they don't know what to do".

http://www.dawn.com/news/1126335/dangerous-game-pti-to-march-into-red-zone-with-women-children

 

[saadibaba]

"He [Imran] is on his own. He doesn't listen to anyone and party leaders are really annoyed, but they don't know what to do".

Sums it all up.

 

[endymion248]

that's not the point. The issue is that massive rigging took place in quite a few seats. If rigging takes place anywhere , it should be investigated and actions taken to rectify this. The govt has shown no inclination to do this and hence condones massive rigging. Therefore the results of the election , even if the PMLN, won failry as you claim, are tainted. As a result new elections should be called and the matter settled once and for all. That's what happens in democracies. But Pakistan isn't a democracy it is a cleptocracy . A mughlai badshahat lead by a man who's brain is still in 1992.

If a few constituencies being rigged makes the whole parliament illegitimate, you can never form a government since there will always be some form of rigging. Why bring a government down over a few seats?

 

[saadibaba]

I think the march will end today. IK will be taken into custody along with some senior leaders. The supporters will then become violent but hopefully be contained by the police. This is the best case scenario.

 

[dhump]

I think the march will end today. IK will be taken into custody along with some senior leaders. The supporters will then become violent but hopefully be contained by the police. This is the best case scenario.

I dont think it will be that simple. Too many people in very small area if people get violent many lifes will be lost and it will be a bigger drama. I think it is in best interest of everyone that negotiations are done and a way for midterm elections are found.

"Mere Aziz Hamwatno" is always on the cards though.

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Except [MENTION=218]UsmanhailsAfridi[/MENTION] keeps calling her "Sir."

lol

sorry i had no idea...my apologies

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

If a few constituencies being rigged makes the whole parliament illegitimate, you can never form a government since there will always be some form of rigging. Why bring a government down over a few seats?

with such mindset we will never prosper as a country...where there is no accountability from those with any sort of power...rigged elections was one thing, not letting voters vote was one thing but when there was witness after witness to this thuggery not a single person got jailed or convicted...basically giving the green light to anyone in the future they whoever can rig the best will win the rest

 

[endymion248]

The reverse happened to me in school. We had junior and senior wings. The junior wing was co-ed, the senior wings weren't. So we went from having all-female teachers to male ones when we went from class 5 to 6. For a good six months we kept calling our very male teachers miss or ma'am.

They didn't say anything. They were probably used to each new class doing it.

This reminds me of the time I called my bio teacher ''mom''. I was 14.

 

[Azlan Khan]

Islamabad's Red Zone security taken over by Army. Phattu Nawaz Sharif!

 

[saadibaba]

I dont think it will be that simple. Too many people in very small area if people get violent many lifes will be lost and it will be a bigger drama. I think it is in best interest of everyone that negotiations are done and a way for midterm elections are found.

"Mere Aziz Hamwatno" is always on the cards though.

Negotiations are always the best way but apparently IK has closed all doors and is sticking to his demand of resignation of PM which is unconstitutional. If you start giving into demands like that than say goodbye to any democratic govt. finishing its tenure.

Nisar lashing out at IK now that he promised him in a text message that he will not enter the Red Zone. If true, IK once again showing his immaturity.

I seriously doubt any army takeover. Even if lives are lost. The blood will be on IK's hands.

 

[Indiafan]

Lol seriously ? Do you really believe that we can have free & fair elections with this set up ?

Imran khan wanted to renovate our electoral system so that we might have a free & fair elections next time
Why Pml didn't listed to imran khan's allegations ?
recountiung and thumb verification in 4 constitution ain't a big demand and it would have only helped us to improve our electoral system

TBH You guys are over reacting .. Without electoral reforms it will be a same old story

Because tomorrow when Imran is in power some other guy will question his seats. Or something else. And lead an army of a lakh people and over throw him. This is the precedent being set. Anyone who has lost and unhappy will react like this