PTI's Tsunami March on 14th August [Mega Thread]

[saadibaba]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>He is repeatedly bowling no balls but asking the Umpire for LBW verdict!</p>— Muhammad Ziauddin (@MuhammadZiauddi) <a href="https://twitter.com/MuhammadZiauddi/statuses/502547141655822336">August 21, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Laparwah]

Both US State Dept. and UK Foreign secretary released statements today in favor of Nawaz and democratic rule and opposing any unconstitutional steps.

A hidden warning to the Army?

I think the UK warning or rather statement of concern was from many days back as reported on ARY news. Armies priority should be law and order in Pakistan.

 

[Fastandfurious]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>He is repeatedly bowling no balls but asking the Umpire for LBW verdict!</p>— Muhammad Ziauddin (@MuhammadZiauddi) <a href="https://twitter.com/MuhammadZiauddi/statuses/502547141655822336">August 21, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Nawaz Sharif is bombarded with bouncers, just looking to survive now. Never a good idea against genuine pace bowlers.

 

[cricwiz]

I think the UK warning or rather statement of concern was from many days back as reported on ARY news. Armies priority should be law and order in Pakistan.

ground reality is pretty different. With Pakistan in such a volatile state, and not so friendly neighbors on nearly all sides, Army needs a certain major stake in deciding about strategic & foreign policy...

 

[s28]

uk foreign secretary is a nonentity the US sets UK foreign policy

 

[Laparwah]

ground reality is pretty different. With Pakistan in such a volatile state, and not so friendly neighbors on nearly all sides, Army needs a certain major stake in deciding about strategic & foreign policy...

Meaning Pakistan is the armies priority not Nawaz Sharif, his brother or his government.

 

[godzilla]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>PTI workers manhandle geo crew , jammed Geo DSNG .Female journalist <a href="https://twitter.com/Farhat_Javed">@Farhat_Javed</a> attacked <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Islamabad?src=hash">#Islamabad</a>. Stay safe, Farhat!</p>— Maria Memon (@Maria_Memon) <a href="https://twitter.com/Maria_Memon/statuses/502490729046745088">August 21, 2014</a></blockquote>
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omg, well pointed out. this shifts the balance from the pmln gullu butt smashing windows and general violent vandalism, the attack on the house of the vp of the pti by pmln goons, the murder of protestors in model town by pmln loyalist police, and the stoning of the long march by pmln lackeys. they manhandles a media crew. thats totally kerayzee. omg. glad youre redressing the balance here.

 

[just saying]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>He is repeatedly bowling no balls but asking the Umpire for LBW verdict!</p>— Muhammad Ziauddin (@MuhammadZiauddi) <a href="https://twitter.com/MuhammadZiauddi/statuses/502547141655822336">August 21, 2014</a></blockquote>
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haha cricket analogies for IK.

 

[Fallen King]

Pakistan's political path: Two steps back | The Economist


IMRAN KHAN, a former star cricketer turned politician, is overly fond of cricketing metaphors. For the past six days he has delivered speeches peppered with corny references to the sport, to cheers from the thousands of followers he has protesting on the streets of Pakistan’s capital.

Unfortunately for his own role in the metaphor between sport and politics, Mr Khan lacks a certain basic level of respect for the umpire. Having failed to win last year’s election Mr Khan, the leader of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party (PTI), is determined to have the result overturned. He makes his case on claims of massive “electoral match-fixing”—which have not been supported by independent observers.

Undeterred, over the past week Mr Khan led a slow-moving convoy from Lahore to Islamabad. He and his procession crawled along their 300km course without picking up the kind of throngs he had been hoping to find. In Islamabad Mr Khan’s stalwarts began a long sit-in on one of the capital’s long avenues. They heard their hero repeat his demand for the resignation of prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, who leads the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) and controls an overwhelming majority in parliament.

Pakistan’s commentariat was unimpressed, with many pundits declaring the whole thing a flop because Mr Khan failed to get anywhere near the 1m people he had rashly predicted. While the crowd has ebbed and flowed as the monsoon rains have come and gone, it is generally thought to have peaked in size at around 20,000. Whatever the numbers, he has been outdone by Tahir ul-Qadri, a Canada-based cleric with a devoted following. Mr ul-Qadri is running a parallel demonstration demanding a revolution that will lead to an entirely new political order. In their aims the crowds have much in common, but their comparison in numbers is not flattering to the leader who claims to have won a national election.

Mr Khan will probably remain a national hero to many Pakistanis regardless of their politics. But he has attracted an unusual degree of public scorn after using his pulpit on Sunday night to call for a taxation strike. In a country where tax evasion is already rampant, he suggested Mr Sharif could be forced to step down within just 48 hours, if only enough people refused to pay their taxes and utility bills.

The political drama has proved a great distraction from other crises besetting the nation. On August 14th commando teams of Pakistani Taliban fighters attacked two separate military installations in the restive province of Baluchistan, killing 13 security forces. On August 18th the new government of India, led by Narendra Modi, signalled a tough new line when it cancelled high-level talks that had been planned between the two countries. The Indians were protesting against a meeting that Pakistan’s high commissioner had with Kashmiri separatists in New Delhi.

Mr Sharif is apparently unwilling to help Mr Khan back down from his extreme demands. And so the PTI leader doubled down, announcing that all of his party’s 34 parliamentarians would quit their seats in protest. The PTI members of the country’s four provincial assemblies will also resign—but not those in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, where the party controls the government—which is prompting accusations of hypocrisy.

To increase the pressure on the streets, Mr Khan ordered his youthful supporters to push into Islamabad’s sensitive “Red Zone” of government buildings and embassies. By the early hours of Wednesday morning, August 20th, thousands of Mr Khan’s and Mr Qadri’s supporters had removed barricades, pushed past police and camped themselves directly in front of the parliament building, with the two leaders repeating their demands for the removal of Mr Sharif.

While it still looks unlikely they will get their wish, the standoff has created perfect conditions for the army to reassert its traditional role, wielding the same power which Mr Sharif has used his first year in power to try and reduce. The fact that the army, which until Wednesday had remained silent on the matter, rushed to call for “patience” from all the “stakeholders” involved in the dispute has led many to conclude the whole affair was secretly orchestrated by the generals.

The military establishment has been anxious to regain its authority over foreign and defence policy, which was once unquestioned. The generals have been at loggerheads over Mr Sharif’s impassioned desire for warmer relations with India; Pakistan’s overgrown army exists largely to confront the giant neighbour. It is also unclear whether the army can tolerate Mr Sharif’s wish to drop the country’s decades-old policy of interfering in Afghanistan.

Whether or not Mr Sharif survives, coup-prone Pakistan’s strides towards greater democracy have been severely damaged. The 2013 election was historic for being the first time the country had ever experienced the peaceful transition of power after a democratically elected government survived its full five-year term for the first time. It only made it that long because Mr Sharif’s PML-N, then in opposition, refused to use street power to bring it down early.

It is not only Pakistan’s recent progress that is at stake. Given the evidence of growing public discontent with his haphazard campaign, Mr Khan also risks undermining his own chances of building on last year’s electoral success. In choosing to play what he has described as his “final match” against Mr Sharif, Mr Khan could end up losing everything he built for himself too.


http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/08/pakistans-political-path

 

[Vegitto1]

Pakistan's political path: Two steps back | The Economist


IMRAN KHAN, a former star cricketer turned politician, is overly fond of cricketing metaphors. For the past six days he has delivered speeches peppered with corny references to the sport, to cheers from the thousands of followers he has protesting on the streets of Pakistan’s capital.

Unfortunately for his own role in the metaphor between sport and politics, Mr Khan lacks a certain basic level of respect for the umpire. Having failed to win last year’s election Mr Khan, the leader of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party (PTI), is determined to have the result overturned. He makes his case on claims of massive “electoral match-fixing”—which have not been supported by independent observers.

Undeterred, over the past week Mr Khan led a slow-moving convoy from Lahore to Islamabad. He and his procession crawled along their 300km course without picking up the kind of throngs he had been hoping to find. In Islamabad Mr Khan’s stalwarts began a long sit-in on one of the capital’s long avenues. They heard their hero repeat his demand for the resignation of prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, who leads the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) and controls an overwhelming majority in parliament.

Pakistan’s commentariat was unimpressed, with many pundits declaring the whole thing a flop because Mr Khan failed to get anywhere near the 1m people he had rashly predicted. While the crowd has ebbed and flowed as the monsoon rains have come and gone, it is generally thought to have peaked in size at around 20,000. Whatever the numbers, he has been outdone by Tahir ul-Qadri, a Canada-based cleric with a devoted following. Mr ul-Qadri is running a parallel demonstration demanding a revolution that will lead to an entirely new political order. In their aims the crowds have much in common, but their comparison in numbers is not flattering to the leader who claims to have won a national election.

Mr Khan will probably remain a national hero to many Pakistanis regardless of their politics. But he has attracted an unusual degree of public scorn after using his pulpit on Sunday night to call for a taxation strike. In a country where tax evasion is already rampant, he suggested Mr Sharif could be forced to step down within just 48 hours, if only enough people refused to pay their taxes and utility bills.

The political drama has proved a great distraction from other crises besetting the nation. On August 14th commando teams of Pakistani Taliban fighters attacked two separate military installations in the restive province of Baluchistan, killing 13 security forces. On August 18th the new government of India, led by Narendra Modi, signalled a tough new line when it cancelled high-level talks that had been planned between the two countries. The Indians were protesting against a meeting that Pakistan’s high commissioner had with Kashmiri separatists in New Delhi.

Mr Sharif is apparently unwilling to help Mr Khan back down from his extreme demands. And so the PTI leader doubled down, announcing that all of his party’s 34 parliamentarians would quit their seats in protest. The PTI members of the country’s four provincial assemblies will also resign—but not those in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, where the party controls the government—which is prompting accusations of hypocrisy.

To increase the pressure on the streets, Mr Khan ordered his youthful supporters to push into Islamabad’s sensitive “Red Zone” of government buildings and embassies. By the early hours of Wednesday morning, August 20th, thousands of Mr Khan’s and Mr Qadri’s supporters had removed barricades, pushed past police and camped themselves directly in front of the parliament building, with the two leaders repeating their demands for the removal of Mr Sharif.

While it still looks unlikely they will get their wish, the standoff has created perfect conditions for the army to reassert its traditional role, wielding the same power which Mr Sharif has used his first year in power to try and reduce. The fact that the army, which until Wednesday had remained silent on the matter, rushed to call for “patience” from all the “stakeholders” involved in the dispute has led many to conclude the whole affair was secretly orchestrated by the generals.

The military establishment has been anxious to regain its authority over foreign and defence policy, which was once unquestioned. The generals have been at loggerheads over Mr Sharif’s impassioned desire for warmer relations with India; Pakistan’s overgrown army exists largely to confront the giant neighbour. It is also unclear whether the army can tolerate Mr Sharif’s wish to drop the country’s decades-old policy of interfering in Afghanistan.

Whether or not Mr Sharif survives, coup-prone Pakistan’s strides towards greater democracy have been severely damaged. The 2013 election was historic for being the first time the country had ever experienced the peaceful transition of power after a democratically elected government survived its full five-year term for the first time. It only made it that long because Mr Sharif’s PML-N, then in opposition, refused to use street power to bring it down early.

It is not only Pakistan’s recent progress that is at stake. Given the evidence of growing public discontent with his haphazard campaign, Mr Khan also risks undermining his own chances of building on last year’s electoral success. In choosing to play what he has described as his “final match” against Mr Sharif, Mr Khan could end up losing everything he built for himself too.


http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/08/pakistans-political-path

Thank god the Economist is criticising Imran Khan! had it been in favour of Imran Khan i would have been seriously worried

 

[godzilla]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150407911922019&set=vb.506572018&type=2&theater

thats a must watch.

 

[Saeed]

Pakistan's political path: Two steps back | The Economist


IMRAN KHAN, a former star cricketer turned politician, is overly fond of cricketing metaphors. For the past six days he has delivered speeches peppered with corny references to the sport, to cheers from the thousands of followers he has protesting on the streets of Pakistan’s capital.

Unfortunately for his own role in the metaphor between sport and politics, Mr Khan lacks a certain basic level of respect for the umpire. Having failed to win last year’s election Mr Khan, the leader of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party (PTI), is determined to have the result overturned. He makes his case on claims of massive “electoral match-fixing”—which have not been supported by independent observers.

Undeterred, over the past week Mr Khan led a slow-moving convoy from Lahore to Islamabad. He and his procession crawled along their 300km course without picking up the kind of throngs he had been hoping to find. In Islamabad Mr Khan’s stalwarts began a long sit-in on one of the capital’s long avenues. They heard their hero repeat his demand for the resignation of prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, who leads the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) and controls an overwhelming majority in parliament.

Pakistan’s commentariat was unimpressed, with many pundits declaring the whole thing a flop because Mr Khan failed to get anywhere near the 1m people he had rashly predicted. While the crowd has ebbed and flowed as the monsoon rains have come and gone, it is generally thought to have peaked in size at around 20,000. Whatever the numbers, he has been outdone by Tahir ul-Qadri, a Canada-based cleric with a devoted following. Mr ul-Qadri is running a parallel demonstration demanding a revolution that will lead to an entirely new political order. In their aims the crowds have much in common, but their comparison in numbers is not flattering to the leader who claims to have won a national election.

Mr Khan will probably remain a national hero to many Pakistanis regardless of their politics. But he has attracted an unusual degree of public scorn after using his pulpit on Sunday night to call for a taxation strike. In a country where tax evasion is already rampant, he suggested Mr Sharif could be forced to step down within just 48 hours, if only enough people refused to pay their taxes and utility bills.

The political drama has proved a great distraction from other crises besetting the nation. On August 14th commando teams of Pakistani Taliban fighters attacked two separate military installations in the restive province of Baluchistan, killing 13 security forces. On August 18th the new government of India, led by Narendra Modi, signalled a tough new line when it cancelled high-level talks that had been planned between the two countries. The Indians were protesting against a meeting that Pakistan’s high commissioner had with Kashmiri separatists in New Delhi.

Mr Sharif is apparently unwilling to help Mr Khan back down from his extreme demands. And so the PTI leader doubled down, announcing that all of his party’s 34 parliamentarians would quit their seats in protest. The PTI members of the country’s four provincial assemblies will also resign—but not those in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, where the party controls the government—which is prompting accusations of hypocrisy.

To increase the pressure on the streets, Mr Khan ordered his youthful supporters to push into Islamabad’s sensitive “Red Zone” of government buildings and embassies. By the early hours of Wednesday morning, August 20th, thousands of Mr Khan’s and Mr Qadri’s supporters had removed barricades, pushed past police and camped themselves directly in front of the parliament building, with the two leaders repeating their demands for the removal of Mr Sharif.

While it still looks unlikely they will get their wish, the standoff has created perfect conditions for the army to reassert its traditional role, wielding the same power which Mr Sharif has used his first year in power to try and reduce. The fact that the army, which until Wednesday had remained silent on the matter, rushed to call for “patience” from all the “stakeholders” involved in the dispute has led many to conclude the whole affair was secretly orchestrated by the generals.

The military establishment has been anxious to regain its authority over foreign and defence policy, which was once unquestioned. The generals have been at loggerheads over Mr Sharif’s impassioned desire for warmer relations with India; Pakistan’s overgrown army exists largely to confront the giant neighbour. It is also unclear whether the army can tolerate Mr Sharif’s wish to drop the country’s decades-old policy of interfering in Afghanistan.

Whether or not Mr Sharif survives, coup-prone Pakistan’s strides towards greater democracy have been severely damaged. The 2013 election was historic for being the first time the country had ever experienced the peaceful transition of power after a democratically elected government survived its full five-year term for the first time. It only made it that long because Mr Sharif’s PML-N, then in opposition, refused to use street power to bring it down early.

It is not only Pakistan’s recent progress that is at stake. Given the evidence of growing public discontent with his haphazard campaign, Mr Khan also risks undermining his own chances of building on last year’s electoral success. In choosing to play what he has described as his “final match” against Mr Sharif, Mr Khan could end up losing everything he built for himself too.


http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/08/pakistans-political-path

Mash'allah, Haza kabeeratun article wal very interesting.

 

[godzilla]

His time will come soon, don't you worry and after IK/PTI's recent self destruction and political suicide, sooner than what I was expecting.


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im not worried, sonny, i wont be sitting there with my hand over my face crying about how we could let things get this far if it does happen. out of interest, i wonder if you have any reservations at all about the ppp and the pml being as corrupt as they are. do you simply not believe that they have been criminally corrupt, or do you not think that that is important?

 

[yasir]

actually if you had half a brain you'd know the PTI has a published manifesto that is more than just a single point agenda! what a ridiculous statement.

I am not Miss Lucy only 5% of my brain is operational... You have more than 50% working, now I get the reason for depth of your arguments

IK on container is like Darminder on water tank, he was after Basanti, IK is after premiership otherwise suicide!!!


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[saadibaba]

PTI's empty threats

Consider some of the threats being made by the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf in connection with its call for ‘civil disobedience’. They say, for instance, that the public will not be paying any electricity or gas bills, and if the centre should respond by cutting off electricity supplies to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, they will cut off power supply from Tarbela Dam.

I wonder if Mr Mushtaq Ghani, the information minister of the government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa who made this threat, has ever been to Tarbela. The dam has a large powerhouse with a generation capacity of 3500MW. Downstream from the powerhouse is the Ghazi Barotha hydropower project, with an additional capacity of 1300MW.

Both power stations are run by Wapda, a federal entity. The electricity produced from these stations is evacuated to a number of grid stations from Peshawar to Burhan on the left bank of the Indus. The grid stations and their transmission network is handled by the National Transmission & Despatch Company which sells it on to the eight distribution companies of the country.

At no point does the electricity travel through any office controlled by the PTI or its government. So how exactly do they intend to deliver on this threat to cut off electricity supplies from Tarbela? Both Wapda and NTDC are federal entities and report to the Ministry of Water and Power and are not likely to take instructions from the PTI or its government in KP.

The threats being issued by the PTI, and the demands being made, show a fundamental disconnect with reality
The only way they could cut off this electricity would be to physically force their way into the Tarbela powerhouse and shut it off themselves, or to sabotage the transmission infrastructure, threats that nobody is likely to take seriously.

Take another example. The party leadership is saying that their government in KP will not collect taxes in response to their party’s call for civil disobedience. A brief glance at the KP provincial budget is enough to tell you that this is simply not workable.

The province has budgeted Rs404 billion expenditures for the ongoing fiscal year. The total budgeted revenue is also Rs404bn, of which revenues from taxes controlled by the provincial government are barely Rs25bn. The largest chunk of the revenues to pay for this expenditure comes from what is called the Federal Divisible Pool, which is taxes collected by the centre and then transferred to the provinces according to a formula in the National Finance Commission Award.

So if the KP government does not want to collect taxes any longer, who will be hit the hardest? The provincial government itself, and then it will have to face up to some basic questions. Without the revenue, will it also cut expenditures accordingly? If so, are they prepared to stop payment of salaries to government personnel, including teachers and police and staff at the secretariat? Or will they cut their development budget, which means stopping work on pet projects like some micro-hydel schemes, and then paying for massive cost overruns whenever work resumes?

They could continue running the government and meeting its bills by running into overdraft with the State Bank, but they should know that the bank has in the past felt free to bounce provincial government cheques when it felt that the provincial authorities were being irresponsible in managing their finances.

Then they threaten to stop collecting electricity and gas bills. First of all, the power to collect these bills belongs to the Peshawar Electric Supply Company, which is technically under the federal government and the order to stop collecting bills will have to come from there. If customers stop paying their bills we’ll know the PTI’s call is being answered in large numbers, but if they don’t stop we’ll know they are being ignored in their own constituency.

But more importantly, what will be the effects of stopping bill collection in KP? The distribution company buys just under 7,000 units of electricity from the national grid at an average price of Rs10.45 per unit, and sells it to a customer base of just under three million all told. Because of a difference in the determined and notified price, there is a subsidy element of almost Rs35bn in its finances where total sales revenue is projected at Rs164bn.

Can someone from the PTI please explain how they propose Pesco continue making its power purchase payments if they will not be collecting bills? Will the company borrow commercially? Or will it only come back and bill the consumers later, once this whole mess has blown over? Keep in mind that the distribution company had only just emerged from the damaging effects of a Peshawar High Court judgement that had disallowed it from collecting fuel price adjustment charges, a judgement that was overturned by the Supreme Court just this past April.

The damage done to the company’s finances is substantial, and to add to their problems, the writ petition had been filed by the KP government itself, back in 2011. Now, just as they had that business sorted out, along comes the call to stop paying bills.

The threats being issued, and the demands being made show a fundamental disconnect with reality. There is no way the party or its provincial government can deliver on these threats, or live with their consequences. It is worrying that senior political figures, holding responsibility for the running of a provincial government machinery, would say these sorts of things, which amount to cutting off your own nose to spite your enemy.

Even more worrying is the thought that these threats are not even serious. This kind of politics runs completely contrary to the image of itself that the PTI has sought to portray, as a party committed to good governance, to professionalism in its approach, to taking economic matters seriously. Apparently all that was just talk.

For a party that prided itself on being the first to produce a vision document for economic revival as part of its campaign, and for producing a white paper on the government’s economic performance, to show this cavalier attitude towards critical economic issues such as power sector recoveries and tax compliance is a very sad revelation of its true colours.

The writer is a member of staff.

khurram.husain@gmail.com

Twitter: [MENTION=30299]Khurram[/MENTION]husain

Published in Dawn, August 21st, 2014




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[saadibaba]

I am not Miss Lucy only 5% of my brain is operational... You have more than 50% working, now I get the reason for depth of your arguments

IK on container is like Darminder on water tank, he was after Basanti, IK is after premiership otherwise suicide!!!


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Lol, great analogy.


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[saadibaba]

Pakistan's political path: Two steps back | The Economist


IMRAN KHAN, a former star cricketer turned politician, is overly fond of cricketing metaphors. For the past six days he has delivered speeches peppered with corny references to the sport, to cheers from the thousands of followers he has protesting on the streets of Pakistan’s capital.

Unfortunately for his own role in the metaphor between sport and politics, Mr Khan lacks a certain basic level of respect for the umpire. Having failed to win last year’s election Mr Khan, the leader of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party (PTI), is determined to have the result overturned. He makes his case on claims of massive “electoral match-fixing”—which have not been supported by independent observers.

Undeterred, over the past week Mr Khan led a slow-moving convoy from Lahore to Islamabad. He and his procession crawled along their 300km course without picking up the kind of throngs he had been hoping to find. In Islamabad Mr Khan’s stalwarts began a long sit-in on one of the capital’s long avenues. They heard their hero repeat his demand for the resignation of prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, who leads the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) and controls an overwhelming majority in parliament.

Pakistan’s commentariat was unimpressed, with many pundits declaring the whole thing a flop because Mr Khan failed to get anywhere near the 1m people he had rashly predicted. While the crowd has ebbed and flowed as the monsoon rains have come and gone, it is generally thought to have peaked in size at around 20,000. Whatever the numbers, he has been outdone by Tahir ul-Qadri, a Canada-based cleric with a devoted following. Mr ul-Qadri is running a parallel demonstration demanding a revolution that will lead to an entirely new political order. In their aims the crowds have much in common, but their comparison in numbers is not flattering to the leader who claims to have won a national election.

Mr Khan will probably remain a national hero to many Pakistanis regardless of their politics. But he has attracted an unusual degree of public scorn after using his pulpit on Sunday night to call for a taxation strike. In a country where tax evasion is already rampant, he suggested Mr Sharif could be forced to step down within just 48 hours, if only enough people refused to pay their taxes and utility bills.

The political drama has proved a great distraction from other crises besetting the nation. On August 14th commando teams of Pakistani Taliban fighters attacked two separate military installations in the restive province of Baluchistan, killing 13 security forces. On August 18th the new government of India, led by Narendra Modi, signalled a tough new line when it cancelled high-level talks that had been planned between the two countries. The Indians were protesting against a meeting that Pakistan’s high commissioner had with Kashmiri separatists in New Delhi.

Mr Sharif is apparently unwilling to help Mr Khan back down from his extreme demands. And so the PTI leader doubled down, announcing that all of his party’s 34 parliamentarians would quit their seats in protest. The PTI members of the country’s four provincial assemblies will also resign—but not those in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, where the party controls the government—which is prompting accusations of hypocrisy.

To increase the pressure on the streets, Mr Khan ordered his youthful supporters to push into Islamabad’s sensitive “Red Zone” of government buildings and embassies. By the early hours of Wednesday morning, August 20th, thousands of Mr Khan’s and Mr Qadri’s supporters had removed barricades, pushed past police and camped themselves directly in front of the parliament building, with the two leaders repeating their demands for the removal of Mr Sharif.

While it still looks unlikely they will get their wish, the standoff has created perfect conditions for the army to reassert its traditional role, wielding the same power which Mr Sharif has used his first year in power to try and reduce. The fact that the army, which until Wednesday had remained silent on the matter, rushed to call for “patience” from all the “stakeholders” involved in the dispute has led many to conclude the whole affair was secretly orchestrated by the generals.

The military establishment has been anxious to regain its authority over foreign and defence policy, which was once unquestioned. The generals have been at loggerheads over Mr Sharif’s impassioned desire for warmer relations with India; Pakistan’s overgrown army exists largely to confront the giant neighbour. It is also unclear whether the army can tolerate Mr Sharif’s wish to drop the country’s decades-old policy of interfering in Afghanistan.

Whether or not Mr Sharif survives, coup-prone Pakistan’s strides towards greater democracy have been severely damaged. The 2013 election was historic for being the first time the country had ever experienced the peaceful transition of power after a democratically elected government survived its full five-year term for the first time. It only made it that long because Mr Sharif’s PML-N, then in opposition, refused to use street power to bring it down early.

It is not only Pakistan’s recent progress that is at stake. Given the evidence of growing public discontent with his haphazard campaign, Mr Khan also risks undermining his own chances of building on last year’s electoral success. In choosing to play what he has described as his “final match” against Mr Sharif, Mr Khan could end up losing everything he built for himself too.


http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/08/pakistans-political-path

Nailed it!


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[saadibaba]

im not worried, sonny, i wont be sitting there with my hand over my face crying about how we could let things get this far if it does happen. out of interest, i wonder if you have any reservations at all about the ppp and the pml being as corrupt as they are. do you simply not believe that they have been criminally corrupt, or do you not think that that is important?

Them being corrupt doesn't mean you take the law in your own hands and physically remove people from office.


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[saadibaba]

An open letter to Imran Khan from an Insafian


Weary of the hypocrisy, corruption and incompetence of generations of politicians, we were praying for change and riddance from this unending cycle of betrayal and failure.

No one expected this from the traditional lot of dynastic politicians, which is almost entirely composed of feudal and tribal lords, mullahs, mill owners, hereditary peers and the nouveaux riches. The only policies these politicians followed, revolved around the interests of their own families, and biradaris of their respective parties.

Millions of people deemed Imran Khan to be a different leader — one who acquired his role the hard way.

For the downtrodden, it seemed Imran had that fire and dedication needed to materialise the dream of meaningful change. They trusted their celebrated captain and voted for him, hoping to see a wise and dauntless leader — a true representative of their hopes.

I was one of those people.


On May 11, 2013, I voted for Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf because among many other reasons, a movement for justice seemed so much more than the hollow, lofty chants of Roti! Kapra! Makan! and 'Asian Tiger'; or an election manifesto built around curbing obscenity and nudity.

I had thought then, that Imran may lack political acumen and cunning; and he may just be a novice; but his integrity at least, is beyond question.

I believed that Imran, having had significant international exposure, would be able to put Pakistan on the path of progress and modernity; his international standing bridging the gap between Pakistan and the rest of the world.

I hoped he would improve the education available to common Pakistanis (as opposed to children of the elite), getting rid of the elements which make them intolerant and conservative. I expected him to put his sportsman's spirit to good use in Pakistan's volatile and strife-stricken politics.

A worthy sportsman could become a worthy statesman, I thought.


Like myself, thousands of PTI supporters were sure that the Imran Khan-led movement for justice will set a commendable example in Khyber Pukhtunkhwa; an example of good governance, planning, sensible decision-making and innovation.

But the events of last week are compelling some of us more sensitive PTI supporters to think that perhaps all expectations were premature, simplistic or just tragically wrong.

Pakistan's democratic system finds Imran Khan suddenly marching toward it on a collision course. In Khan, they now see a man making unreasonable demands while pursuing the just and reasonable cause of electoral transparency.

They question the indiscriminate blame-game initiated by our leader. People want to know why he has started to make a new demand every new day.

I personally feel that this attitude of his has raised serious questions about his motives and designs.

I'm asked, what is the difference between Imran Khan and any other power hungry politician?

In such an atmosphere of crises, and against the dwindling party position of PTI, I keep asking myself these puzzling questions:

If rigging was so widespread, why was the outcome of the elections accepted in the first place?

Why does PTI keep demanding the resignation of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif - is he the sole culprit behind rigging?

Why doesn't PTI have a better partner in this regime-toppling game other than a 'revolutionary' goon?

Why does Imran think he can accuse anyone, any time, anywhere of rigging, without enough evidence?

Why is it so that PTI is accused of U-turns and new demands everyday?

And most of all, I want to know, why does Imran Khan's PTI have the clearly indefensible and hypocritical stance regarding resignations from assemblies? You are resigning from all assemblies but not from the KP assembly because you are in power there? How was the electoral process in KP different from the rest of the country?

I can only hope that the captain will review his confrontational policies, which are accelerating the country towards chaos and uncertainty.

I consider myself an insafian, which means I stand for progress, transparency and justice; not for politics of crisis and confrontation.

The supporters of Imran Khan have the right to ask him not to fail democracy, and Pakistan.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1126777/open-letter-to-imran-khan-from-a-pti-voter






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[godzilla]

Them being corrupt doesn't mean you take the law in your own hands and physically remove people from office.


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thats not what i asked, and i note you didnt answer the question. you dont have to of course, thats entirely your choice.

 

[blinding light]

So much for the "attention and pressure form intl media outlets"

The Economist article absolutely nailed it!

Waiting for "the whole world is against Pakistan" comments now..

 

[endymion248]

The article on the economist was a blog post and, as such, not endorsed by the journal. It is also very biased, especially in how it paints the army as the entity behind all that is happening and Nawaz Sharif as the voice of reason and peace for foreign policy. I agree on its description of IK but it doesn't hold any more value than what I could post on here.

Also, I just want to say that Dil Dil Pakistan is the most overrated song in the history of humanity. It sucks, basically. There is no reason for it to be so popular. Pakistan has a nice national anthem, why are people so obsessed with playing this ridiculous song?

 

[godzilla]

the economist article didnt nail it at all. its devoid of any context whatsoever.

wheres the mention of the year long exhaustive multiple channel attempts to investigate polling fraud that has been hampered at every turn?

wheres the mention of context of the other pressing issues that are affecting the country - economic failure, separatist violence in balochistan, terrorism, quarrels with india - theyve been around for decades at the very least at this point, pakistan was almost a failed state under the previous ppp administration - what about the context that these issues wont disappear overnight and the argument that its corrupt self serving governments that have watered and fed these issues?

wheres the contexts that pakistan has consistently appeared at the very bottom of international league tables of corruption?

wheres the context that it was under US pressure that the constitution was changed to allow sharif and zardari, both convicted criminals having served prison sentences to have corruption cases suspended against them?

wheres the context that the fight is to right a wrong that is chronic and endemic to pakistans governance that has killed the average civilian for decades now?

i wouldnt have expected the economist to have missed the wood for the trees to such an embarrassing degree. discussing a snap shot of a man breaking the roof of a house isnt very relevant when you ignore the context of the rest of the house being on fire and burning the people inside.

 

[blinding light]

the economist article didnt nail it at all. its devoid of any context whatsoever.

wheres the mention of the year long exhaustive multiple channel attempts to investigate polling fraud that has been hampered at every turn?

wheres the mention of context of the other pressing issues that are affecting the country - economic failure, separatist violence in balochistan, terrorism, quarrels with india - theyve been around for decades at the very least at this point, pakistan was almost a failed state under the previous ppp administration - what about the context that these issues wont disappear overnight and the argument that its corrupt self serving governments that have watered and fed these issues?

wheres the contexts that pakistan has consistently appeared at the very bottom of international league tables of corruption?

wheres the context that it was under US pressure that the constitution was changed to allow sharif and zardari, both convicted criminals having served prison sentences to have corruption cases suspended against them?

wheres the context that the fight is to right a wrong that is chronic and endemic to pakistans governance that has killed the average civilian for decades now?

i wouldnt have expected the economist to have missed the wood for the trees to such an embarrassing degree. discussing a snap shot of a man breaking the roof of a house isnt very relevant when you ignore the context of the rest of the house being on fire and burning the people inside.

The same multiple channels where IK has as many showings as NS in thr Parliament to further the agenda of reforms (which, btw, is very few.), or the same multiple channels where PTI candidates refused to show up for their tribunal hearings?

 

[blinding light]

Cant reply to whole posts as I'm waiting for my flight.. So apologies, guys.

 

[godzilla]

The same multiple channels where IK has as many showings as NS in thr Parliament to further the agenda of reforms (which, btw, is very few.), or the same multiple channels where PTI candidates refused to show up for their tribunal hearings?

fair questions - were those the only two channels? is protest registered by attendance in the national assembly? is it an issue of persistence that the courts and election tribunal work on when challenged on a competent election? if not, what is the relevance of your attendance point?

with regards to pti candidates not showing up for their tribunal hearings, i completely agree with the perspective that they should be brought to task for it. so how many times did that happen versus blocks and deliberations on the four constituencies that were the year long complaint of the opposition? i assume you know the answer since you are equating both.

 

[ehjaz]

I have question. Justice, where and how to get it in Pakistan if there are blockades everywhere and if one cannot get it through cripples and dead system - then wouldn't one take matters in their own hands. I blame it on People of Pakistan. Parliament will definitely take a stand with NS, because majority of them are corrupt to the core along with the king. Imran did what he believed in and took a firm stand like a man....agree or dont agree with him. He is still millions time better than hundreds of those who are there for the last 20 so years.....

 

[Badsha]

Just saw another of Khans speeches. Probably the only person on this earth right now apart from my family whom I could take a bullet for. What a man.

 

[saadibaba]

The article on the economist was a blog post and, as such, not endorsed by the journal. It is also very biased, especially in how it paints the army as the entity behind all that is happening and Nawaz Sharif as the voice of reason and peace for foreign policy. I agree on its description of IK but it doesn't hold any more value than what I could post on here.

Also, I just want to say that Dil Dil Pakistan is the most overrated song in the history of humanity. It sucks, basically. There is no reason for it to be so popular. Pakistan has a nice national anthem, why are people so obsessed with playing this ridiculous song?

About Dil dil Pakistan, Vital Signs after their first album, in there desperation to get some money sold the song to Pepsi and we got the most ridiculously cringe worthy jingle ever "Pepsi Pepsi Pakistan".

http://youtu.be/iElqOFAweao

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[Indiafan]

Thank god the Economist is criticising Imran Khan! had it been in favour of Imran Khan i would have been seriously worried

As usual not one single point of rebuttal against the points raised but just going by who is saying it. Seems to be usual with many PTI supporter. Anyone who raises any valid points must be pro-corruption, pro-PMNL, pro-Sharif. That's the gist of their replies.

 

[Savak]

As usual not one single point of rebuttal against the points raised but just going by who is saying it. Seems to be usual with many PTI supporter. Anyone who raises any valid points must be pro-corruption, pro-PMNL, pro-Sharif. That's the gist of their replies.

Pretty valid as well. The sentiments of the people who are just fed up of the system must be respected.

 

[Indiafan]

Just saw another of Khans speeches. Probably the only person on this earth right now apart from my family whom I could take a bullet for. What a man.

Actually this is the definition of a cult following and is never good for anyone concerned. You should follow the ideologies of a person and be convinced by that, yet have an open mind to criticize when he is wrong. Such kind of fanatic devotion always leads to grief

 

[Indiafan]

Pretty valid as well. The sentiments of the people who are just fed up of the system must be respected.

Yeah I can understand that Savak bhai. It is just that patience in always better in the long run

 

[ehjaz]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/multimedia/2014/08/140821_imran_interview_aw.shtml

 

[Nostalgic]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/multimedia/2014/08/140821_imran_interview_aw.shtml

He should part his hair on the side, or push it forward. The micrografts are quite obvious with this do.

At least his have lasted a good ten years or so. Nawaz's seem to have fallen out.

 

[Fallen King]

The promising of NAYA Pakistan


Nepotism charges arise in PTI’s reserve seats’ nominations



Even though Imran Khan might have claimed that his party Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) would eradicate the current system of nepotism and corruption, there were serious discrepancies in the nomination of female candidates on reserved seats in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP).

Taking notice of charges of nepotism in nomination of women candidates, activists of PTI women wing staged a protest demonstration in front of Peshawar Press Club on Saturday, demanding representation for some of the neglected activists.

An examination of the list of PTI leaders elected to National Assembly and KP Assembly reveals that most of them were close associates of KP Chief Minister Pervez Khattak, KP Assembly Speaker Asad Qaiser, both from the same party.

Ironically, PTI activists from Manshera also held Azam Swati responsible for party candidates’ defeat in the district and also demanded action against them.

Activists said that Nafeesa Khattak who was elected MNA on a PTI ticket is the sister-in-law of Chief Minister Pervez Khattak. Another MNA, Sajida Zulfikar is his niece whereas Mussarat Ahmadzeb is the niece of Nafeesa Khattak.

Aisha Gulalai is the fourth PTI MNA nominated from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, even though she represents FATA.

Both Naseem Hayat and Aisha Naeem have been elected to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Assembly and are first cousins. Naseem Hayat is also the president of PTI’s provincial women wing. Nadeya Sher, another PTI female MPA, is also from Swabi. In total, three women from Swabi have been nominated for the KP Assembly.

Furthermore, both Nasim Hayat and Aisha Naeem are also first cousins of former provincial minister Sitara Ayaz who was elected on an ANP ticket to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Assembly in 2008 general elections. Similarly, they are also close relatives of Meraj Humayoon Khan who has been elected as MPA on a Quami Watan Party ticket. Naseem Hayat, Aisha Naeem and Meraj Humayoon Khan not only belong to a single village in Jhandha area of Swabi district but even are from same family.

Jhandha town of Swabi district is known for producing influential figures and military generals. General (r) Sher Bahdar Khan and General (r) Sher Khan and Colonel (r) Ali Gohar Khan were prominent among the generals hailing from this district. Dr Johar Khatoon, who belongs to the same town, is a leading gynecologist.

Among the PTI female MPAs, Dr Meher Taaj Roghani is considered to be a deserving candidate as she had made valuable contribution to the party. Belonging to Mardan, Meher Taj Roghani had served one of previous provincial caretaker governments. She is likely to become health minister in the new government.

In a similar case, MNA Nafeesa Khattak, Zarin Zia were elected as MPAs, both residing in Rawalpindi. She is the sister of former ANP MPA Yasmeen Zia. Zarin Zian is also believed to be a strong candidate for a ministerial office.

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...rges-arise-in-ptis-reserve-seats-nominations/

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3/7 Women Reserved Seats Awarded to CM KPK Relatives – PTI Change Exposed

Here is the list of PTI women MNAs for reserved seats from Khyber Pakhtunkhuwa (KPK). Interestingly, 3 out of 7 of the members listed below are related to the CM Pervaiz Khattak.

1. Nafeesa Inayat ulla Khattak – Pervaiz Khattak’s bhabi (brother’s wife)
2. Mussarrat Ahmed Zaib – Sister of CM Khattak’s brother’s wife.
3. Sajida Zulfiqar – Daughter of first cousin (named Rafiq) of CM KPK.
4. Aaisha Gulalai
5. Dr. Robina Fareed
6. Razia Khattak
7. Asmat Khattak

The real document information is in the source.

http://www.currentaffairspk.com/37-...arded-to-cm-kpk-relatives-pti-change-exposed/


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Allegations: PTI leadership accused of favouritism


Allegations: PTI leadership accused of favouritism
By Hassan Ali
Published: June 1, 2013
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A PTI insider requesting anonymity said Gulalai was only named for the NA seat because she was on good terms with PTI K-P President Asad Qaiser. PHOTO: FILE
PESHAWAR:

In the wake of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) assuming control of the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (K-P) government, many senior female activists have raised concerns about the party’s nominations for reserved seats for women in both legislatures.

The Election Commission of Pakistan issued a list of names of women elected on reserved seats in both the provincial and National Assembly on Tuesday. The PTI has 14 members on the list.

However, senior female activists have alleged the tickets were either issued to close relatives of the senior leadership or to a select few members.

Former information secretary of the PTI’s provincial womens wing, Esmat Ara Khattak, told The Express Tribune, “Even though the party had secured enough seats to be able to adjust older party workers in the assemblies, the leadership favoured their relatives and friends by selecting them on the reserved seats.”

She alleged Chief Minister Pervaiz Khattak and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (K-P) Assembly Speaker Asad Qaiser ignored senior female PTI leaders.

The PTI had named Nafeesa Inayatullah Khan Khattak for the National Assembly reserved seat for women. She is the elected general secretary of the party’s K-P women’s wing and is also Pervaiz Khattak’s sister-in-law. Sajida Begum is another PTI member named for a reserved seat in the National Assembly. She is Pervaiz Khattak’s niece and was not very well known within PTI circles before her nomination.

Ayesha Gulalai, another MNA named by the PTI, joined the party seven months ago after resigning from the All Pakistan Muslim League FATA chapter. A PTI insider requesting anonymity said Gulalai was only named for the NA seat because she was on good terms with PTI K-P President Asad Qaiser.

Mussarat Ahmad Zeb was another lesser-known member nominated for an NA seat. Zeb hails from Nowshera and is the daughter-in-law of Wali Swat. She joined the party in March.

“The PTI’s leadership has also violated merit in presenting names for female reserved seats for the provincial assembly,” said PTI Peshawar Town-1 women’s wing president Dr Saiqa.

Out of 10 MPAs on reserved seats, five have been selected from Mardan and Swabi, she alleged, adding female activists who had worked hard during the election campaign to get votes from women had been ignored completely for reserved seats.


http://tribune.com.pk/story/557194/allegations-pti-leadership-accused-of-favouritism/

 

[Fallen King]

A Pakistani singer to entertain the crowd



Look at the picture, Ibrar ul haq standing on Pakistan flag.

 

[Fallen King]

 

[Fallen King]

 

[saadibaba]

A Pakistani singer to entertain the crowd

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Look at the picture, Ibrar ul haq standing on Pakistan flag.

Cool it, when the whole stage is covered with the flag, where else is he supposed to stand. Plus, never got this whole standing on flag being a bad thing.


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[Fallen King]

Parliament reposes faith in Nawaz Sharif as Imran, Qadri up the ante

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Wednesday was extended a lifeline from the National Assembly not to resign from his office on the demands of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) and Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT).

The prime minister, who arrived at the parliament building while surrounded by workers of PAT on the instructions of their leader Dr Tahirul Qadri, was greeted with overwhelming support from members of the treasury as well as the Opposition.

Lawmakers asked the prime minister to publicly announce that he would not resign from premiership.

“Prime Minister should not resign at any cost”, Mahmood Khan Ackakzai of Pakhtunkawa Milli Awami Party asked Nawaz. Ackakzai also urged that assembly should remain in the session and opposed any suggestion to move the session to any other place in view of sit-ins outside parliament building.

Achakzai declared that, “We will not allow anyone to move the session to another place and would hold it here even if we are killed.” Adding that if the so-called ‘Peoples Parliament’ of Dr Qadri and Imran Khan have hundreds of thousands of followers, this parliament has the backing of millions of people of the country. Terming the staging of the ‘Peoples Parliament’ an unconstitutional act, he demanded that the government and law enforcing agencies should make sure the smooth arrival of members in the house.

Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl group (JUI-F) chief Maulana Fazlur Rahman backed the prime minister and urged the premier to say “no” to the demands of those protesting outside the Parliament House.

“We are standing by prime minister and no one would dare to destabilise the democratic system.”

He added that all political parties were backing democracy and the Parliament had vowed to stand against all those who want to grab power by by-passing the Parliament.

The JUI-F chief lamented that unseen forces were backing Qadri despite his anti-Constitution acts and questioned why Qadri has not been taken to task, while Sufi Mohammad in Malakand Division was brought to task for the same thing that Qadri was doing.

The JUI-F chief also threatened to disturb the system of Qadri if he succeeds in toppling the current system and said that if his group decided to stage a sit-in, then they [Qadri and Imran] would forget about their small sit-ins.

Speaking on the occasion Pakistan Peoples Party’s (PPP) Shazia Marri said that the objective of the Azadi March should not disgrace the Parliament and the Constitution, adding that the supremacy of the Parliament should be a priority of all democratic forces.

Reminding the ruling Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) that had they not allowed the Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif during the PPP’s tenure when Shahbaz had proclaimed he would drag the then elected President in the streets, then they would not have had to face the current situation where Khyber-Pakhtunkhawa chief minister was demanding the resignation from the prime minister.

Joining the chorus, PPP’s MNA Ijaz Jhakrani asked why should the prime minister resign. “Give some concrete reason for it.”

Muttahida Qaumi Movement’s (MQM) Rasheed Godil also backed Nawaz and demanded PTI to resign from assemblies as they announced couple of days back.

The government side was also in full swing to interact with other parliamentary groups in the house with members shuttling from one parliamentary party to the other in the house to speak on the floor of the house. Some treasury and even cut short the speeches of their members to give time to other parliamentary groups.

PML-N’s Obaidullah Shadikhel, who had lost the general elections against Imran on NA-71 before winning it in the subsequent by-elections, suggested the government take stern action PTI chief. He claimed that Imran would understand the language of reconciliation.

The chair had to expunge some strong words of Shadikhel against Imran and his supporters saying that it didn’t suit him to behave like Imran Khan.

The house was then adjourned till August 21, 2014

http://tribune.com.pk/story/751325/...h-in-nawaz-sharif-as-imran-qardi-up-the-ante/


^ Don't know if this article is posted or not.

 

[Fallen King]

Cool it, when the whole stage is covered with the flag, where else is he supposed to stand. Plus, never got this whole standing on flag being a bad thing.


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We are not supposed to have national flag on the floor and put foot on the flag. I don't see PTI flag on the floor while people walk on the floor covered by PTI flag. You would expect lots of PTI flags comparatively, but this, Pakistani flag on floor, and a singer singing while standing on the floor covered by Pakistan flag doesn't faze him and public at all.

This is disrespectful. They are in Pakistan, not PTI-istan.

^ If there is anything i don't tolerate, it is disrespectful to sovereignty of Pakistan and its flag.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Why flag on the floor then? We are not supposed to have national flag on the floor and put foot on the flag. I don't see PTI flag on the floor while people walk on the floor covered by PTI flag. You would expect lots of PTI flags comparatively, but this, Pakistani flag on floor, and how people walking and a singer singing while standing on the floor covered by Pakistan flag doesn't faze them at all.

Yes, it is not only disrespectful but almost blasphemous. Because the flag is also saaya-e-khuda e zuljalal.

 

[Fallen King]

Yes, it is not only disrespectful but almost blasphemous. Because the flag is also saaya-e-khuda e zuljalal.

My post is edited.

Regarding the bold; this is what i get from google. What is your point?

Saya e Khuda e Zuljalal (a.k.a SKZ, meaning Protection of Magnificent God) is an upcoming Pakistani action/history film directed by Umair Fazli & produced by Jehan Films and AR Productions.

 

[FreeBird]

We are not supposed to have national flag on the floor and put foot on the flag. I don't see PTI flag on the floor while people walk on the floor covered by PTI flag. You would expect lots of PTI flags comparatively, but this, Pakistani flag on floor, and how people walking and a singer singing while standing on the floor covered by Pakistan flag doesn't faze them at all.

This is disrespectful. They are in Pakistan, not PTI-istan.

Yeh lo, sharmeeli Tim Tim ko ab flag yaad agaya.

Walk in some Main Street of Pakistan that was decorated for 14 August a couple of days after the 14th August, and you will see Pakistani flag "jhandiyan" by millions on the floor, in the gutters and flying all over the place like trash.

In my opinion, the true ghaddar of this nation is not the one who has put the flag on the floor, the true ghaddaar and traitors of this nation are those who after 60 years of looting ans butchery, STILL support PML and PPP.
They don't deserve to have any association with Pakistan.

 

[CricketCartoons]

My post is edited.

Regarding the bold; this is what i get from google. What is your point?

Saya e Khuda e Zuljalal (a.k.a SKZ, meaning Protection of Magnificent God) is an upcoming Pakistani action/history film directed by Umair Fazli & produced by Jehan Films and AR Productions.

MalikMohsin bhai, don't you even know your qaumi tarana?? and you are worried about disrespect shown towards the flag?

 

[Fallen King]

[MENTION=135842]FreeBird[/MENTION]

You okay with disrespecting Pakistani flag like that? Never mind....

Unfortunately, we have more pressing concerns to discuss about relating to on-going situation in Islamabad.

 

[Fallen King]

MalikMohsin bhai, don't you even know your qaumi tarana?? and you are worried about disrespect shown towards the flag?

I used to. It has been long time.

 

[Kianig89]

wants FIR against Showbaz etal for the killings of 14 workers, against ZAB there was FIR for murder of one person and he got hanged #justsaying

 

[Savak]

Parliament reposes faith in Nawaz Sharif as Imran, Qadri up the ante

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Wednesday was extended a lifeline from the National Assembly not to resign from his office on the demands of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) and Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT).

The prime minister, who arrived at the parliament building while surrounded by workers of PAT on the instructions of their leader Dr Tahirul Qadri, was greeted with overwhelming support from members of the treasury as well as the Opposition.

Lawmakers asked the prime minister to publicly announce that he would not resign from premiership.

“Prime Minister should not resign at any cost”, Mahmood Khan Ackakzai of Pakhtunkawa Milli Awami Party asked Nawaz. Ackakzai also urged that assembly should remain in the session and opposed any suggestion to move the session to any other place in view of sit-ins outside parliament building.

Achakzai declared that, “We will not allow anyone to move the session to another place and would hold it here even if we are killed.” Adding that if the so-called ‘Peoples Parliament’ of Dr Qadri and Imran Khan have hundreds of thousands of followers, this parliament has the backing of millions of people of the country. Terming the staging of the ‘Peoples Parliament’ an unconstitutional act, he demanded that the government and law enforcing agencies should make sure the smooth arrival of members in the house.

Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl group (JUI-F) chief Maulana Fazlur Rahman backed the prime minister and urged the premier to say “no” to the demands of those protesting outside the Parliament House.

“We are standing by prime minister and no one would dare to destabilise the democratic system.”

He added that all political parties were backing democracy and the Parliament had vowed to stand against all those who want to grab power by by-passing the Parliament.

The JUI-F chief lamented that unseen forces were backing Qadri despite his anti-Constitution acts and questioned why Qadri has not been taken to task, while Sufi Mohammad in Malakand Division was brought to task for the same thing that Qadri was doing.

The JUI-F chief also threatened to disturb the system of Qadri if he succeeds in toppling the current system and said that if his group decided to stage a sit-in, then they [Qadri and Imran] would forget about their small sit-ins.

Speaking on the occasion Pakistan Peoples Party’s (PPP) Shazia Marri said that the objective of the Azadi March should not disgrace the Parliament and the Constitution, adding that the supremacy of the Parliament should be a priority of all democratic forces.

Reminding the ruling Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) that had they not allowed the Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif during the PPP’s tenure when Shahbaz had proclaimed he would drag the then elected President in the streets, then they would not have had to face the current situation where Khyber-Pakhtunkhawa chief minister was demanding the resignation from the prime minister.

Joining the chorus, PPP’s MNA Ijaz Jhakrani asked why should the prime minister resign. “Give some concrete reason for it.”

Muttahida Qaumi Movement’s (MQM) Rasheed Godil also backed Nawaz and demanded PTI to resign from assemblies as they announced couple of days back.

The government side was also in full swing to interact with other parliamentary groups in the house with members shuttling from one parliamentary party to the other in the house to speak on the floor of the house. Some treasury and even cut short the speeches of their members to give time to other parliamentary groups.

PML-N’s Obaidullah Shadikhel, who had lost the general elections against Imran on NA-71 before winning it in the subsequent by-elections, suggested the government take stern action PTI chief. He claimed that Imran would understand the language of reconciliation.

The chair had to expunge some strong words of Shadikhel against Imran and his supporters saying that it didn’t suit him to behave like Imran Khan.

The house was then adjourned till August 21, 2014

http://tribune.com.pk/story/751325/...h-in-nawaz-sharif-as-imran-qardi-up-the-ante/


^ Don't know if this article is posted or not.

Shameful when all the corrupt parties collude in corruption, deals, future rigging, power deals in the name of democracy.

 

[Anfield]

What a tool this Mohsin guy is..

Someone in Canada(?) organized a function.. Ibrar walked in as a guest and sung some songs.. And this guy goes all bonkers on pti. Seriously? This is not a pti jalsa neither this event was organized by pti. This is organizer's fault.

Lanat hai inn logon pe. They can raise their voice against the disrespect of the flag but no one would dare to speak against the murder of 14 innocent people including women! Hypocrites!

 

[Noora420]

What a tool this Mohsin guy is..

Someone in Canada(?) organized a function.. Ibrar walked in as a guest and sung some songs.. And this guy goes all bonkers on pti. Seriously? This is not a pti jalsa neither this event was organized by pti. This is organizer's fault.

Lanat hai inn logon pe. They can raise their voice against the disrespect of the flag but no one would dare to speak against the murder of 14 innocent people including women! Hypocrites!

Thats nothing bro, you need to check his posts, he said anyone against army action should die in bomb blasts and killed by TTP.

 

[Noora420]

And these nooras, getting worried over bottles thrown at Geo ghaddar group but nothing when women were killed in model town. Hypocrisy at its best.

 

[Fallen King]

What a tool this Mohsin guy is..

Someone in Canada(?) organized a function.. Ibrar walked in as a guest and sung some songs.. And this guy goes all bonkers on pti. Seriously? This is not a pti jalsa neither this event was organized by pti. This is organizer's fault.

Lanat hai inn logon pe. They can raise their voice against the disrespect of the flag but no one would dare to speak against the murder of 14 innocent people including women! Hypocrites!

To be fair, this is about disrespecting Pakistani flag. Unfortunately, your passion is fueled only when someone criticizes PTI but not when disrespecting Pakistani flag. That's unfortunate.

Everyone including myself don't support PMLN decision regarding Model town. That was worst part in the history of Pakistan especially when Pakistani police was involved in shabby activity as the credibility of Pakistani police as protector and defender for the nation was shot down.

There is no need for cheap shot when it comes to discussion about PTI. No one is stopping you to talk about PMLN. Don't resort to jahiliyah act like beghairat, no offence.


It is not about Nawaz Sharif anymore. If Nawaz Sharif resigns which he should [due to Model town/corruption], then unfortunately that would set dangerous precedent in the future laid none other than PTI whose tactics was unconstitutional and illegal by Parliament. It has come to the point that if Nawaz Sharif stays, so will democracy; if Nawaz Sharif goes, so will democracy. The stability of Pakistan's economy, continuity of gov't and foreign economical policies [regarding billion dollars rolling in] is attached to PMLN now unfortunately.

Re-read my post carefully and try to understand what my post is trying to say. Don't let your emotional cloud your rational thinking here.

It is not about PMLN anymore. It is very same reason Pakistan army is supporting and so is International. Imran Khan is out of favor from IMF [after he pulled civil disobedience] and his credibility as Politician in the eyes of International has been shot down after taking Islamabad as hostage damaging Pakistan economy totalling up to trillion rupees now [judging by reports]. This current situation is now beyond the repair.


Besides, i have mentioned in favor of Marshall Law/Army installed-caretaker government due to current political affairs that doesn't help Pakistan. Right now, we are talking about the current situation, and unfortunately, anyone who doesn't support the acts of PTI is suddenly branded as noora. That's pathetic, no offence.

Thats nothing bro, you need to check his posts, he said anyone against army action should die in bomb blasts and killed by TTP.

Anyone who support TTP that attack on sovereignty of Pakistan including responsible for killing more than 50,000 [children, women, old person, and everyone] is traitor in the eyes of Pakistan. Anyone who support certain groups against Pakistan army is traitor. There is no neutral in this case. Unfortunately, not everyone love Pakistan as certain political party shows sympathic to TTP while TTP enjoys killing Pakistani citizens damaging Pakistan's economy as well.

Since you brought this topic, let this be on record here.

Do you support TTP or not? Do you support TTP against Pakistan army or not? Do you support PTI's policy regarding TTP that has no intention of honoring peace negotiation while responsible for killing more than 50,000 civilians including recent attack on Karachi Airport or not?

Yes or No would suffice to the entire PakPassion community.

 

[CricketCartoons]

damaging Pakistan economy totalling up to trillion dollars now [judging by reports].

Which reports, if I may ask.

 

[Mamoon]

Just saw another of Khans speeches. Probably the only person on this earth right now apart from my family whom I could take a bullet for. What a man.

No need of taking a bullet for him, first get out of your comfy armchair in USA and join him in this revolution but of course you'll have a million excuses up your sleeve.

 

[Fallen King]

Which reports, if I may ask.

There is several reports regarding the loss suffered due to Azadi march. That's what Imran Khan is doing, and eventually, the more Pakistan economy suffers the more PMLN will be forced to consider its decision regarding resignation as PMLN is facing pressure to what Pakistan economy is suffering everyday ever since Azadi march, not to mention the card, civil obedience, that stopped IMF issuing billion dollars loan to PMLN regarding energy projects to invest.

One source should suffice for now and the rest you can google. The number is increasing as long as Azadi march stays on.


TDAP shows Rs 150bn daily loss to national economy


ISLAMABAD - The long marches have been causing a financial loss of Rs 150 billion on daily basis to the national economy besides rendering a large number of daily-wagers jobless across Pakistan.

Trade Development Authority of Pakistan (TDAP) Chief Executive SM Munir said that the ‘Azadi March’ of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) and the ‘Inqilab March’ of the Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) were adversely affecting the national economy.

“It seems that none of them had realised the adverse impact on economic growth of these marches," he said. He said that thousands of factories have altogether been closed down in the wake of volatile political situation. Expressing concern over current political impasse, he said the national economy had been suffering badly for the last one month which was not being noticed by the top leadership of PTI and PAT.

He said that it was high time for all political parties, especially the opposition, to resolve political issues and differences strictly in accordance with the democratic values by holding parleys in larger national interest.

He said that Federation of Pakistan Chamber of Commerce and Industry President Zakaria Usman and all other affiliated chambers had taken strong exception to long marches which have been inflicting losses to the industry.

The TDAP chief executive said that the entire business community, irrespective of any political affiliation, always attaches importance to supreme national interest over petty personal interest. He said Pakistan was the national identity, which was established after rendering sacrifices and business community would thwart nefarious designs of certain elements who were bent on to disrupt the peaceful environment.

He said he hoped that the leadership of the long marches would realise the gravity of the situation and come to the table for a meaningful dialogue to end political crisis and shun politics of confrontation, violence and agitation.


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/business/21-Aug-2014/tdap-shows-rs-150bn-daily-loss-to-national-economy

^ Daily 150 billion rupees everyday since Azadi march is thank to courtesy of PTI+PAT for so-called NAYA Pakistan.

 

[CricketCartoons]

There is several reports regarding the loss suffered due to Azadi march. That's what Imran Khan is doing, and eventually, the more Pakistan economy suffers the more PMLN will be forced to consider its decision regarding resignation as PMLN is facing pressure to what Pakistan economy is suffering everyday ever since Azadi march, not to mention the card, civil obedience, that stopped IMF issuing billion dollars loan to PMLN regarding energy projects to invest.

One source should suffice for now and the rest you can google. The number is increasing as long as Azadi march stays on.


TDAP shows Rs 150bn daily loss to national economy

150 billion pakistani rupees per day, means 1.5 billion USD. The protests should go for close to 2 years before it reaches 1 trillion dollar of loss. But you said trillion of dollars of loss by now. That is why was wondering.

 

[Fallen King]

Rs500bn lost so far due to PTI’s protest: PML-N

Updated Aug 19, 2014 07:51am

LAHORE: The PML-N has criticised the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf’s protest that it said is causing losses of billions of rupees to the economy daily.

It has also chided the PTI leadership for trying to take hostage the whole nation with the support of a few hundred people.

Talking to reporters here on Monday, PML-N Media Coordinator Muhammad Mehdi said PTI’s protest had so far caused a loss of around Rs500 billion to the national economy. He claimed by amassing just a few hundred people the PTI leader tried to take the whole nation hostage.

Alleging that both the PTI and PAT were quoting false figures about the number of their supporters in Islamabad, he said a single person covers 2.5 feet while standing in a highly dense crowd. By this standard, he said, for accommodating one million people, as being claimed by both parties, a 7.62km stretch of 100-foot wide road would be required.

But, there were no PTI supporters on Kashmir Road and PAT’s activists on Suhrawardi Road beyond 400 yards, adding the protesters were sitting on the road and that too at a distance from each other, he claimed.

Similarly, Mehdi said at least 20,000 buses with a seating capacity of 50 each were required to transport a million people and if the buses form a trail they would cover a 193km stretch of road. But, not even a couple of hundred buses were accompanying the two marches.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1126283/rs500bn-lost-so-far-due-to-ptis-protest-pml-n



^ That article was posted in August 19th, 2014; three days. I don't know how many billion rupees Pakistan must have suffered by now upto today, Allahu Alim. The nation including the international community will not forget this especially the holding march orchestrasted by Imran Khan and Tahir Qadri. As i said before, the situation is beyond repair now, Allahu Alim.

 

[Fallen King]

150 billion pakistani rupees per day, means 1.5 billion USD. The protests should go for close to 2 years before it reaches 1 trillion dollar of loss. But you said trillion of dollars of loss by now. That is why was wondering.

That was other report which calculated upto recent since Azadi march including when Pakistan economy was suffering, but the recent Azadi march helped Pakistan economy plummetted drastically.

I think it was supposed to be trillion rupees [total overall], not dollars. The other article must have mentioned rupees, not dollars. As i live in Canada, dollars came to my mind. I just edited in my post. Honest mistake. Anyways, thank.

 

[Fastandfurious]

[MENTION=10992]MalikMohsin[/MENTION] Paa ji bas bi kar do, ap ko kuch zyada hi lag gaya hai.

 

[s28]

MalikMohsin are you disrespecting Islam when/if you stand on a prayer mat ?

Please continue with your pathetic drivel on here as it shows the trivial and superficial nature of the supporters of the corrupt kleptocracy.

Someone connected to PTI stands on a piece of cloth and is accused of treachery and treason
Leaders of PMLN order killings and trample on the dead bodies of innocent civilians and nobody bats an eye

 

[Fallen King]

MalikMohsin are you disrespecting Islam when/if you stand on a prayer mat ?

Please continue with your pathetic drivel on here as it shows the trivial and superficial nature of the supporters of the corrupt kleptocracy.

Someone connected to PTI stands on a piece of cloth and is accused of treachery and treason
Leaders of PMLN order killings and trample on the dead bodies of innocent civilians and nobody bats an eye

You are gonna bring Islam especially when it comes to discussion about democracy system that doesn't recognize the laws of Allah?
My opinion has to do with on-going situation for the stability, economical and continuity of gov't, not the system that doesn't recognize the laws of Allah. Pakistan system is democracy process, not the laws of Allah.

Khuda kay waastay, TTP ki tarah Islam ka naam badnaam mat karo. You don't see me bringing Islam in this discussion, so why should you? Besides, i have stopped promoting Islamic knowledge recently, and because of this pathetic mindset, i cannot promote Islamic knowledge which you will be so eager to taint me with Islamic knowledge.

Baat ho rahe hai democracy kii, Islam kahaan say aagaya. Democracy and Islam doesn't go together. Your pathetic comments avails nothing to this discussion.


In response to bold;


Everyone including myself don't support PMLN decision regarding Model town. That was worst part in the history of Pakistan especially when Pakistani police was involved in shabby activity as the credibility of Pakistani police as protector and defender for the nation was shot down.

 

[Fallen King]

[MENTION=10992]MalikMohsin[/MENTION] Paa ji bas bi kar do, ap ko kuch zyada hi lag gaya hai.

Here i go from this thread.

Phir aaonga, Insha Allah!

 

[AFG_Brit]

http://newsbeat.pk/ary-news/governm...k-in-favor-of-government-video_060c2ac12.html

 

[Bewal Express]

The economically competent arch democrat,Nawaz Sharif has criminally borrowed billions and is now using it to pay off crooked journos.

 

[the Great Khan]

I am not Miss Lucy only 5% of my brain is operational... You have more than 50% working, now I get the reason for depth of your arguments

IK on container is like Darminder on water tank, he was after Basanti, IK is after premiership otherwise suicide!!!


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as usual you use pathetic comments to deflect attention from your inability to counter an accusation that disproves your previous statement. I suggest you learn the difference between making wild unsubstantiated statements and actual facts.

 

[Azzurri]

An Open letter to the critics of imran khan
[MENTION=14431]blinding light[/MENTION] [MENTION=2071]saadibaba[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=10992]MalikMohsin[/MENTION]

On August 14,Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) marched towards the parliament, under the leadership of Imran Khan, to protest against the alleged rigging by PML-N in the 2013 general elections.The long march is coined as "Azaadi March" (A March for independence).

While many are an advocate of Imran Khan in assembling this peaceful protest, unfortunately there are also some of you who are opposing the call. I write this with the hope of diffusing some of this bigoted commentary on Imran Khan's political maneuver.

The first appraisal you very mockingly throw at Imran Khan is that he has achieved nothing in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) and hence is not worthy of having any faith in. But this take is just accredited to the amnesia that we have towards the March 2014 survey of Gallup which positioned KP as having the highest public satisfaction (57 percent) among fellow provinces of the country. Also does it really need revisiting, how the KP government has depoliticized their police force or how medicines and treatment are being worked to be made free in all hospitals there? And while you are at it, you may also want to Google the fundamental change in education reforms Imran Khan has given birth to in his province.

So just because the metro bus, being worked on by Nawaz Sharif ,is a more detectable development, does not also make it a more cardinal one. In a country where a common man is yet to get more basic necessities of life like health and education, the government is fixated to splurge on discernible developments just to grabble more votes.

Then there are some of you who simply do not support Imran Khan because you find his movement a blatant negation to the democratic process. But what sort of treacherously self-proclaimed democratic governance are we really ranting about? The one that came into power by a rigged electoral process? Or perhaps the one that threatened to use force against the civilians of the long march who are just peacefully protesting? And what genus of democracy does not bring the right to a peaceful protest under it's jurisdiction?

The audacious fraud in the foregoing election is no news to us and the courts have been futile to hammer away the issue. Those who find Imran Khan's movement extreme, please also keep in mind, how he has been talking about his very concern for a year now without getting the government officials to act in the way they are required to. The reason for this inadequacy on their part is simple. This government has no answer to appease the accusations rightfully questioning the legitimacy of their power.

Some of you may be chapfallen by Imran's call for civil disobedience when he himself claims to be this proud proponent of abiding by all laws.Must seem hypocritical right? But what is also duplicitous is how most of you have an issue with Imran Khan merely "talking" about not paying taxes and ignoring bills for just two days but are flagrantly unaffected by how the opposing party, PML-N, has been actively "committing" civil disobedience by evading taxes and indulging in mammoth corruption for over 30 years.

Also it may be worthy to mention that an action is to be judged by the intention.The call was just made to get international attention and divert it to the government in the form of pressure-which WAS accomplished.This civil disobedience is not only impractical for the followers to actually participate in but contrary to what you may believe can not muffle the economy in any which way in just two days.It takes months and years for such a movement to have any actual impact.

And while we are at it, Imran Khan did not lose any support from the masses as propagated by some very biased media channels.If that would have been the case, a profuse amount of educated Pakistanis would not have kept on participating in the protests in this heat and humidity. Neither would the government need to use containers to stop civilians from entering Islamabad to take part in the protest.These protesters are not coming out of their houses merely due to a feeling driven by some blind love for Imran Khan.They are coming out to put an end to the incessant practices of corrupt leaders in our country.

I feel so much pity for those who are disturbed by the turmoil occurring as a byproduct of this beautiful movement. But not because of their discomfort. Just because they fail to recognize that this long march which they so insensitively pin as a nuisance is actually fighting for their rights... for their mandate.

And finally for those worried souls who are petrified of the image of our country being put forward in the world by this long march? I founder to grasp the message you are complaining about for all I see is an alive nation who is finally willing to stand up for themselves and change the system.

Way to go, Imran Khan!

 

[MRSN]

[MENTION=10992]MalikMohsin[/MENTION] who are you supporting in this mess?
[MENTION=2071]saadibaba[/MENTION] and co who are opposing Imran Khan's long march here is a question..

If there is indeed rigging found in the elections suppose PM formed commission says that there was rigging in the 4 seats that are being investigated , Would you still justify this government?

 

[FreeBird]

[MENTION=10992]MalikMohsin[/MENTION] Paa ji bas bi kar do, ap ko kuch zyada hi lag gaya hai.

Here i go from this thread.

Ye lo, Bhijwa diya na Malik Mohsin ko kisi achay mochi k pass.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Ye lo, Bhijwa diya na Malik Mohsin ko kisi achay mochi k pass.

I am such a tube light. had to read it twice to understand..

 

[saeedhk]

Protests banned in Multan.

So much for safeguarding democracy.

 

[Badsha]

No need of taking a bullet for him, first get out of your comfy armchair in USA and join him in this revolution but of course you'll have a million excuses up your sleeve.

I was in almost every jalsa in 2013. What do you even know. I went all the way to a village in KPK to cast my vote. I'm not like you Mamoon saahib. I don't criticize through pakpassion and talk about something I have no idea about.

 

[saeedhk]

NS invites Zardari for lunch tomorrow.SS said that when they would be in power,they would drag Zardari on streets.

 

[Badsha]

Actually this is the definition of a cult following and is never good for anyone concerned. You should follow the ideologies of a person and be convinced by that, yet have an open mind to criticize when he is wrong. Such kind of fanatic devotion always leads to grief

I said it already, to me it's a cult. I admit it. Don't care what anyone thinks about it. Besides it's his ideology and way of life that has made me become a follower of him.

Apart from that, you have no idea how corrupt these N league politicians are. I've had a lot of friends and family work in high posts in the government. Some of the stories could make a Pakistani cry of how they abuse the little resources we have for their own benefit

 

[Mamoon]

I was in almost every jalsa in 2013. What do you even know. I went all the way to a village in KPK to cast my vote. I'm not like you Mamoon saahib. I don't criticize through pakpassion and talk about something I have no idea about.

Same here. I did as much as I could for the Great Khan prior to to the elections.

If I could take a bullet for him right now, I'd be with him in this long march but I won't even a kill a fly for him anymore. Doesn't make much sense when you can take a bullet for him but your contribution in this revolution is limited to your armchair.

 

[yasir]

I think rigging aspect is blown out of proportion, plus this issue can be resolved in civilized manner by fixing the institution rather than burdening it with another election

Difference between PTI and Nawaz was 90+ seats...

I posted one example of NA-118, here 25,000+ votes out of 170,000 are non-verifiable. They did not mention which party has those votes. Chances are those are clerical or process issues (bad ink, bad paper, not putting the thumb correctly etc). NADRA AFIS system will be ready in years to handle the load of 60-70 M votes processing. Real time finger print verification technology does not exist in USA or any where in the world. Why we expect NADRA or ECP can have that?

If election commision is so corrupt and broken, how you will fix that in 90 days before next election? - Or we going to have a elections every year till election service is fixed to make sure we have done thorough QA?

I remember after 9-11 there was lot of criticism on INS, that institution was broken, USA did not went for re-election because of failure of a institution. They overhaul immigration and border security process... If IK is so serious about election process, he can champion that like Al-gore champion Climate change without being in office!!

http://tribune.com.pk/story/719730/electoral-fraud-nadra-finds-rigging-in-records-of-na-118/

 

[Savak]

I think rigging aspect is blown out of proportion, plus this issue can be resolved in civilized manner by fixing the institution rather than burdening it with another election

Difference between PTI and Nawaz was 90+ seats...

I posted one example of NA-118, here 25,000+ votes are non-verifiable. They did not mention which party has those votes. Chances are those are clerical or process issues (bad ink, bad paper, not putting the thumb correctly etc). NADRA AFIS system will be ready in years to handle the load of 60-70 M votes processing. Real time finger print verification technology does not exist in USA or any where in the world. Why we expect NADRA or PEC can have that?

If election commision is so corrupt and broken, how you will fix that in 90 days before next election? - Or we going to have a elections every year till election service is fixed to make sure we have done thorough QA?

I remember after 9-11 there was lot of criticism on INS, that institution was broken, USA did not went for re-election because of failure of a institution. They overhaul immigration and border security process... If IK is so serious about election process, he can champion that like Al-gore champion Climate change without being in office!!

http://tribune.com.pk/story/719730/electoral-fraud-nadra-finds-rigging-in-records-of-na-118/

I think the whole Election system in fraud. Punjab is always a game changer in the elections and that is where most the rigging took place. It is unfair for just one province to decide the future of the entire country.

 

[waqar goraya]

lol what achievements? building a motorway that nobody uses? handing out laptops? committing massive fraud in the debt scheme of the 90's? yellow taxi?

actually im being disingenuous, Nawaz shareef is the greatest politician of his generation. He has turned a country with a growth rate of 3.0% into a country with a growth rate of 8.0%. He has depoliticised the police. Nobody gets killed in Karachi anymore thanks to Nawaz shareef. Our exports are going through the roof and Pakistani corporations are thriving. terrorism is non existence, he's completely wiped it out.

now lets compare his amazing performance with Imran. Imran married a kafir, he built hospital which is a front for his relations to get free treatment. The KPK govt coffers have been totally emptied because he needs to build a new wing of his bani gala mansion. I hear he is using PIA jets as private jets to ferry himself from London every week. There have been rumours he is planning to hand over all of our nukes to Israel because he married a jew. Also he makes funny jokes and calls politicians names when he does his speeches. has he no respect for legends like Nawaz??

"Hum iss mulk ki taqdeer badal dete magar Moqa hi nhi mila hamein khidmat krna ka" - Nawaz Sharif

Now the biggest criticism of Imran is that his demands are unconstitutional, which will derail democracy but even bigger hole in his politics is use of foul language.

Language is getting too much attention.I think Imran does not need to use those words like "wet shalwar". He thinks this aggressive language attracts his youth fans but in reality majority does not wish so.

 

[Badsha]

Same here. I did as much as I could for the Great Khan prior to to the elections.

If I could take a bullet for him right now, I'd be with him in this long march but I won't even a kill a fly for him anymore. Doesn't make much sense when you can take a bullet for him but your contribution in this revolution is limited to your armchair.

? your comment like most of your other posts make no sense unfortunately. Why don't you start posting about your endless loop again.


Your posts in a nutshell.

Mamoon: There was no proof of rigging

User: Launch an investigation. There was

Mamoon: Well Imran should just accept it now

User: Accept that the awaams mandate was stolen?

Mamoon: do you have any proof of that?


Repeat..........