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ISLAMABAD: Punjab is to benefit most from the projects starting under the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), statistics shared with the Parliament revealed.

At present, 53 per cent of the total projects are being assigned to Punjab. The provincial government has deployed 6,346 security personnel for the protection of 3,754 Chinese nationals.

According to official statistics, out of the total of 330 projects under CPEC, 176 are in Punjab while only eight projects have been allocated for Balochistan.

In a written reply to a question, raised by Shahida Rehmani in the National Assembly, regarding the security measures taken by the Ministry of Interior for the protection of Chinese personnel it was stated that a total of 16,703 security personnel were deployed for the protection of 8,819 Chinese nationals.

In his written reply, the Minister of Interior and Narcotics Control Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan provided a breakdown and stated that 6,346 security personnel were deployed in Punjab for the security of 3,754 Chinese nationals while 3,134 personnel had been deployed in Balochistan for the security of 558 Chinese nationals.

As many as 1,912 security personnel have been deployed in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa to provide protection to 698 Chinese nationals, working on the 19 projects in the province. Meanwhile, 2, 645 personnel have been deployed in Sindh as security arrangement for protection of 1,141 Chinese nationals. The province will have 103 projects under the CPEC agreement.

Six projects have been allocated to the Islamabad Capital Territory (ICT) for which 439 personnel of the law enforcement agencies have been deployed for the protection of 885 Chinese personnel.

The lower house was further informed that a Special Security Division (SSD), consisting of nine composite Infantry Battalions and six Civil Armed Forces (CAF) Wings, had been constituted at a cost of Rs21.57 billion, which will provide security to the Chinese nationals.

Provision of security to citizens of Pakistan as well as to foreigners is the administrative, legal and constitutional responsibility of the provincial governments, it said, adding that the provincial governments were duly assisted by the armed forces.



http://tribune.com.pk/story/1175160/economic-corridor-punjab-gets-lions-share-cpec-projects/
 
53 percent of the total CPEC projects assigned to Punjab. 148 out of 272 NA seats in Punjab and than we wonder why can't we have 3/4 more provinces?

Than we are told other provinces use victim card.
 
Islamabad gets 6 projects despite not even being a tenth the size of Balochistan.
 
Simple Formula : Invest big in Punjab, Cash it and Win Punjab = Rule the entire Pakistan
 
Surprise surprise..

You cant even blame the number of seats in this instance. NA seats are distributed on population and punjab takes the bulk of population in Pakistan. If you base them on the size of province then balochistan will take the NA with low population. Damned if you, damned if you dont
 
Surprise surprise..

You cant even blame the number of seats in this instance. NA seats are distributed on population and punjab takes the bulk of population in Pakistan. If you base them on the size of province then balochistan will take the NA with low population. Damned if you, damned if you dont

Why delay in census? Don't give excuses like Army is busy. If Army have to do everything than better hand over the govt to them.

( btw i am a Punjabi and i am living in Punjab but khadam-e-aala Punjab is limited to Lahore and central Punjab he thinks South and North are there just to rule without giving anything at all. Why not just make more provinces and share the power? because it hurts? )
 
Why delay in census? Don't give excuses like Army is busy. If Army have to do everything than better hand over the govt to them.

( btw i am a Punjabi and i am living in Punjab but khadam-e-aala Punjab is limited to Lahore and central Punjab he thinks South and North are there just to rule without giving anything at all. Why not just make more provinces and share the power? because it hurts? )

A consensus is desperately needed! But still punjab will take the majority, although I would love to see an increase in seats for balochistan.
 
A consensus is desperately needed! But still punjab will take the majority, although I would love to see an increase in seats for balochistan.

Karachi will probably see an increase of more than 10 NA seats so it will go upto 30+ NA seats from current 20 seats. Dividing Punjab in 3/4 provinces can fix many issues specially in south but i guess thats never going to happen until Shareefs are ruling.
 
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Karachi will probably see an increase of more than 10 NA seats so it will go upto 30+ NA seats from current 20 seats. Dividing Punjab in 3/4 provinces can fix many issues specially in south but i guess thats never going to happen until Shareefs are ruling.

Even if they are divided into two thats enough but the "Rulers" will never let that happen. The only thing I find comforting seeing our current rulers is at least there will be a judgement day. Warms my heart hearing what will happen with the unjust rulers. Many normal hardworking people lose soo much just for their greed. What I dont understand is they have soo mcuh money that even if they start burning it today even then it will last their lifetime but still they are relentless in corruption. Such heartless beings.
 
This is what happens when you can form a government in the center by just winning in one province.
 
Even if they are divided into two thats enough but the "Rulers" will never let that happen. The only thing I find comforting seeing our current rulers is at least there will be a judgement day. Warms my heart hearing what will happen with the unjust rulers. Many normal hardworking people lose soo much just for their greed. What I dont understand is they have soo mcuh money that even if they start burning it today even then it will last their lifetime but still they are relentless in corruption. Such heartless beings.

What they perceive as their cleverness is their big punishment. If they are believers then they will surely know that judgement will come and if they are not believers, then that is an even bigger punishment. When NS or AZ are 6 feet under, no amount of Swiss bank accounts, Off shore companies or London flats with gold taps will make any difference. Allah is the best of planners!
 
This route was initially designed for Khyber Pukhtunkhwa and Balochistan but the Punjab government cashed in and changed the entire project for their own region making the route much longer but the East side of Pakistan more prosperous.
West and SouthWest of Pakistan gets some duplicate CPWC with less facilities to appease a blatant robbery of resources
 
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Surprise surprise..

You cant even blame the number of seats in this instance. NA seats are distributed on population and punjab takes the bulk of population in Pakistan. If you base them on the size of province then balochistan will take the NA with low population. Damned if you, damned if you dont

NA seats are based on outdated population data from 18 years ago. There's a reason this government and the previous PPP one weren't keen on having a census despite it being about 8 years overdue. A census means that interior Sindh and Punjab, the PPP and PML-N's strongholds respectively, will lose a lot of seats to Karachi, Balochistan and KPK due to a massive shift in demographics since the last census. A semi-official census(it wasn't official because it didn't include a few districts in AJK but it was pretty comprehensive otherwise) conducted in 2011 already put Punjab's share of the population at about 46%, well below 50%(a few percentage points are significant with a population as big as ours) and this was five years ago during which time the faster growing provinces will have closed the gap even further, realistically putting Punjab's fair share at no more than 42-43% as opposed to the nearly 55% of parliamentary seats they get now.
 
This route was initially designed for Khyber Pukhtunkhwa and Balochistan but the Punjab government cashed in and changed the entire project for their own region making the route much longer but the East side of Pakistan more prosperous.
West and SouthWest of Pakistan gets some duplicate CPWC with less facilities to appease a blatant robbery of resources

I'm in favour of having the East route because it passes through all of Pakistan's major cities (Karachi, Lahore, Pindi, Multan, Faisalabad), but the western route hasn't been accorded the due attention it needs.
 
This route was initially designed for Khyber Pukhtunkhwa and Balochistan but the Punjab government cashed in and changed the entire project for their own region making the route much longer but the East side of Pakistan more prosperous.
West and SouthWest of Pakistan gets some duplicate CPWC with less facilities to appease a blatant robbery of resources

Basically, this. The original CPEC proposed by China didn't even have an eastern route. There was just one route that went GB-KPK-Balochistan but then Sharif biraderan and army(remember, army has huge industrial holdings in Punjab and Sindh) got involved and voila, not only was there an eastern route now, it was the primary route while the original route has been starved of funding. Industrial zones meant for the western provinces are now going to be set up in Punjab and Sindh, and if the new route map that is doing the rounds is to be considered credible, even the western route might bypass KPK completely.
 
Basically, this. The original CPEC proposed by China didn't even have an eastern route. There was just one route that went GB-KPK-Balochistan but then Sharif biraderan and army(remember, army has huge industrial holdings in Punjab and Sindh) got involved and voila, not only was there an eastern route now, it was the primary route while the original route has been starved of funding. Industrial zones meant for the western provinces are now going to be set up in Punjab and Sindh, and if the new route map that is doing the rounds is to be considered credible, even the western route might bypass KPK completely.

It was weird to see Chinese agreeing to long route without showing any resistance.
 
It was weird to see Chinese agreeing to long route without showing any resistance.

Not hard to sell the western route as a risky venture by playing on the Chinese government and investors' security concerns. The Chinese don't know that security concerns exist only where the army is unwilling to mitigate them.
 
Yesterday I landed at the Karachi airport. At immigration, there were two lines for Pakistani passport holders and four lines for foreign passports. The four lines were jammed pack and I would say atleast 200-300 foreigners were there with majority of them Chinese and a few white folks sprinkled here and there.

CPEC is definitely picking up, much to the dismay of our eastern neighbours :srt
 
Not hard to sell the western route as a risky venture by playing on the Chinese government and investors' security concerns. The Chinese don't know that security concerns exist only where the army is unwilling to mitigate them.

Yea that is a good point nobody want to risk the money even if information provided isn't correct.
 
And on the other hands, federal government are rejecting developmental projects in KPK :(

Topi drama.
 
Yea that is a good point nobody want to risk the money even if information provided isn't correct.

You'd think the Chinese of all people would know that security concerns in Pakistan can only exist where the army is unwilling to deal with them. It has become clear in recent years that the existence of security issues in Pakistan has less to do with the military's inability to deal with them than it does with their unwillingness. Every time the military wants a terrorist group gone, it is dealt with swiftly. The majority of terrorism here is on account of our army not being willing to remove it.

how many of them? I know Mass Transit project is delayed and also some power projects.
Most. KPK's PSDP funds have been withheld by federal government for a while under some ridiculous pretext.
 
You'd think the Chinese of all people would know that security concerns in Pakistan can only exist where the army is unwilling to deal with them. It has become clear in recent years that the existence of security issues in Pakistan has less to do with the military's inability to deal with them than it does with their unwillingness. Every time the military wants a terrorist group gone, it is dealt with swiftly. The majority of terrorism here is on account of our army not being willing to remove it.
IMO this NAP can only be successfully if it's implemented in whole country and specially in Punjab. You can't just ignore punjab and do the operation clean up in rest of the country while ignoring the nursery for many of these groups.

Most. KPK's PSDP funds have been withheld by federal government for a while under some ridiculous pretext.

So it's not limited to Khawaja Saad and his tactics as railway minister to delay Mass Transit project. What is the reason for not releasing the development funds? If i am not wrong the express way of Swat is being funded by some korean bank loan.
 
Isn't the population in Pakistani Punjab over 100m? In which case over 50% of all Pakistanis live there so it's not surprising that they get the bulk of such projects (and the bulk of parliamentary seats).
 
Isn't the population in Pakistani Punjab over 100m? In which case over 50% of all Pakistanis live there so it's not surprising that they get the bulk of such projects (and the bulk of parliamentary seats).

Yes but most of the Punjab budget is limited to Lahore and central punjab while south punjab (seraiki area) is living in 80s and 90s. There is a reason they want another province and don't want to stay under Takhata-e-Lahore.
 
There is a saying (I think it's from Hazrat Ali razi Allah tanha wala) that "a country can exist on kufr (not recognizing Allah) but cannot exist on zulm (injustice)".
Pakistan saw it when they commit injustice against Bangalis and then the country break up. Same thing will happen again if they continue to commit injustice against others.
 
IMO this NAP can only be successfully if it's implemented in whole country and specially in Punjab. You can't just ignore punjab and do the operation clean up in rest of the country while ignoring the nursery for many of these groups.
NAP can't be implemented because, first and foremost, it's a very poorly drafted document. It lists a bunch of vague objectives with no mention of how to achieve them. Another issue is, like I've said before, army's willingness to tackle 'these groups' as you put it. So far, all evidence suggests that with the exception of TTP, army is not willing to mess with terrorist organizations, most of whom it still supports in one way or the other. Punjab, especially, is a no go since most terrorist groups there are untouchable to begin with on account of them being backed by both the army and the army and PML's maibaap, Saudi Arabia(LeT is their crown jewel).


So it's not limited to Khawaja Saad and his -tactics as railway minister to delay Mass Transit project. What is the reason for not releasing the development funds? If i am not wrong the express way of Swat is being funded by some korean bank loan.

No reasons given so I'm assuming they were redirected to Punjab. 45 projects were proposed and all were rejected. For more details:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1261194
http://dailytimes.com.pk/islamabad/...-allocation-of-funds-for-development-projects
 
how many of them? I know Mass Transit project is delayed and also some power projects.


Major projects : )ne road project was about the construction of an artery to connect Kohat with the main CPEC route via Jhand, while the other was about the widening of the Indus Highway to four lanes from Peshawar to Dera Ismail Khan. (Rejected).

Chashma Right Bank Canal project rejected, inclusion of 10 projects of energy sector. The ‘installed capacity’ of these projects is around 1,585 megawatts, rejected.

Also, there were seven irrigation schemes, two drinking water projects and a scheme about the establishment of six industrial zones.

Total of 45 projects were rejected by Federal government :)
 
Major projects : )ne road project was about the construction of an artery to connect Kohat with the main CPEC route via Jhand, while the other was about the widening of the Indus Highway to four lanes from Peshawar to Dera Ismail Khan. (Rejected).

Chashma Right Bank Canal project rejected, inclusion of 10 projects of energy sector. The ‘installed capacity’ of these projects is around 1,585 megawatts, rejected.

Also, there were seven irrigation schemes, two drinking water projects and a scheme about the establishment of six industrial zones.

Total of 45 projects were rejected by Federal government :)

Wow and than they say we are neutral. btw it's Jand a tehsil of my district in north punjab (it's the last tehsil and district of punjab). This wasn't going to benefit KP only but our area as well but guess what for them sout and north punjab are not part of punjab and takhat-e-lahore.
 
NAP can't be implemented because, first and foremost, it's a very poorly drafted document. It lists a bunch of vague objectives with no mention of how to achieve them. Another issue is, like I've said before, army's willingness to tackle 'these groups' as you put it. So far, all evidence suggests that with the exception of TTP, army is not willing to mess with terrorist organizations, most of whom it still supports in one way or the other. Punjab, especially, is a no go since most terrorist groups there are untouchable to begin with on account of them being backed by both the army and the army and PML's maibaap, Saudi Arabia(LeT is their crown jewel).




No reasons given so I'm assuming they were redirected to Punjab. 45 projects were proposed and all were rejected. For more details:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1261194
http://dailytimes.com.pk/islamabad/...-allocation-of-funds-for-development-projects

Yea you are right we need to change the mindset of people as well that is also required otherwise results can't b achieved and there shouldn't be a soft corner or special treatments fr an party.

Thanks for sharing the links i wasn't aware of this act of the democracy champions.
 
Stop moaning.

Punjab is Pakistan just like Indian Punjab is India. It is the heartland.
 
Isn't the population in Pakistani Punjab over 100m? In which case over 50% of all Pakistanis live there so it's not surprising that they get the bulk of such projects (and the bulk of parliamentary seats).

Some people find this too complicated to understand sadly.
 
This was the issue I was pointing out that day.

The CPEC route and Gwadar were supposed to be the main focal point of the entire projects, but as the statistics have shown the government is not even the least bit bothered about wanting to develop Pakistan's most resourceful region.

Apparently a lot of the projects for Balochistan have been rejected, so maybe this wasn't planned beforehand.
 
Some people find this too complicated to understand sadly.

Punjab =/ Lahore

Also for CPEC routes it was financially and economically better to have it through KPK and Balochistan as originally intended. Clearly Punjab jumping in and magically securing the significant portion of the route doesn't make any logical sense
 
So as usual Pakistaniat card is being played to hide the real issues? There is Punjab outside lahore and central Punjab give south punjab a visit to get better idea. Karachi shares the revenue with rest of country, Balochistan and KP contribute with their resources but when they ask for a fair share there comes the Pakistaniat card in play. (and yes i am a punjabi living in punjab)
 
In ke khilaaf awaaz othao tou Pakistan Pakistan ke naray shoro kardehtay hain. Inka Pakistan shoro aur khatum Lahore pe hi hota hai.. baqi saray "Pakistani" gaye bhaar mein..
 
Wow and than they say we are neutral. btw it's Jand a tehsil of my district in north punjab (it's the last tehsil and district of punjab). This wasn't going to benefit KP only but our area as well but guess what for them sout and north punjab are not part of punjab and takhat-e-lahore.
There's a new route map going around for CPEC which suggests that the northern part of the western route may now run along the Punjab-KPK border on the Punjab side so your area might still end up with at least a new motorway. Always look at the bright side, lol.


Stop moaning.

Punjab is Pakistan just like Indian Punjab is India. It is the heartland.

Absolute rubbish. Three out of four provinces have secessionist elements in one form or the other because Punjab has monopolized the concept of Pakistaniat and any time someone asks why Punjab is getting preferential treatment at their expense, the tried and tested tactic of labeling them traitors, Indian agents and/or anti-development/anti-CPEC is employed.

So as usual Pakistaniat card is being played to hide the real issues? There is Punjab outside lahore and central Punjab give south punjab a visit to get better idea. Karachi shares the revenue with rest of country, Balochistan and KP contribute with their resources but when they ask for a fair share there comes the Pakistaniat card in play. (and yes i am a punjabi living in punjab)

South Punjab still gets treated a lot better than, say, interior Sindh or KPK. I was there from mid 2014 to late 2015 and while there were parts of it that were neglected, the likes of Bahawalpur and Multan were still being lavished with a lot more riches than the likes of Karachi or Peshawar. Multan has a mass transit system but Karachi doesn't. That says it all really.
 
There's a new route map going around for CPEC which suggests that the northern part of the western route may now run along the Punjab-KPK border on the Punjab side so your area might still end up with at least a new motorway. Always look at the bright side, lol.




Absolute rubbish. Three out of four provinces have secessionist elements in one form or the other because Punjab has monopolized the concept of Pakistaniat and any time someone asks why Punjab is getting preferential treatment at their expense, the tried and tested tactic of labeling them traitors, Indian agents and/or anti-development/anti-CPEC is employed.



South Punjab still gets treated a lot better than, say, interior Sindh or KPK. I was there from mid 2014 to late 2015 and while there were parts of it that were neglected, the likes of Bahawalpur and Multan were still being lavished with a lot more riches than the likes of Karachi or Peshawar. Multan has a mass transit system but Karachi doesn't. That says it all really.

More moaning. Sadly Punjab will continue to move forward by working hard in business and the military whilst the other provinces moan and stagnate.
 
More moaning. Sadly Punjab will continue to move forward by working hard in business and the military whilst the other provinces moan and stagnate.

Translation: Punjab will continue to move forward by using it's privileged position on account of its large population to monopolize the nation's natural and financial resources while employing its army to stifle any dissent.
 
Translation: Punjab will continue to move forward by using it's privileged position on account of its large population to monopolize the nation's natural and financial resources while employing its army to stifle any dissent.

Nope....
 

Except that's how it's always been. How else do you explain the modification of the original CPEC? How do you explain that there's a dam who's headworks are located entirely in KPK but for some reason the power generating turbines are installed a few hundred meters on the Punjab side of the border to avoid paying royalties to KPK and for some even more inexplicable reason the power from that dam goes straight to industrial units in Faisalabad? How do you explain that every district in Punjab gets gas but the district in Balochistan where that gas is produced still doesn't? How do you explain that Sindh Rangers operating in Karachi, a city of mainly Urdu speakers and Pukhtuns, are overwhelmingly Punjabi? How do you explain public sector development funds being denied to KPK and diverted to Punjab?
 
Except that's how it's always been. How else do you explain the modification of the original CPEC? How do you explain that there's a dam who's headworks are located entirely in KPK but for some reason the power generating turbines are installed a few hundred meters on the Punjab side of the border to avoid paying royalties to KPK and for some even more inexplicable reason the power from that dam goes straight to industrial units in Faisalabad? How do you explain that every district in Punjab gets gas but the district in Balochistan where that gas is produced still doesn't? How do you explain that Sindh Rangers operating in Karachi, a city of mainly Urdu speakers and Pukhtuns, are overwhelmingly Punjabi? How do you explain public sector development funds being denied to KPK and diverted to Punjab?

Would love to see some apologists of PMLN giving us some detailed answers here. I am all ears!
 
How does one possibly justify any of that?

They will find a way. I have even seen some of them even justifying a PMLN senator statement a few days ago 'Poor are born to serve the rich'

Yes i know the world work that way and it's a reality but what was the need to first say it openly and than justify it :facepalm:
 
They will find a way. I have even seen some of them even justifying a PMLN senator statement a few days ago 'Poor are born to serve the rich'

Yes i know the world work that way and it's a reality but what was the need to first say it openly and than justify it :facepalm:

That was cringeworthy. Not surprising at all though considering that PML-N is essentially a party of waderas and a statement like that is a perfect example of the average wadera's world view.
 
Except that's how it's always been. How else do you explain the modification of the original CPEC? How do you explain that there's a dam who's headworks are located entirely in KPK but for some reason the power generating turbines are installed a few hundred meters on the Punjab side of the border to avoid paying royalties to KPK and for some even more inexplicable reason the power from that dam goes straight to industrial units in Faisalabad? How do you explain that every district in Punjab gets gas but the district in Balochistan where that gas is produced still doesn't? How do you explain that Sindh Rangers operating in Karachi, a city of mainly Urdu speakers and Pukhtuns, are overwhelmingly Punjabi? How do you explain public sector development funds being denied to KPK and diverted to Punjab?

Lol that guy ran away after you demolished him with facts.
 
Being an outsider, I am a bit failing to grasp the issue. Even by unofficial data, 46% of population is living in punjab. So it definitely makes sense that punjab gets major share in the projects. Isn't it?
 
Being an outsider, I am a bit failing to grasp the issue. Even by unofficial data, 46% of population is living in punjab. So it definitely makes sense that punjab gets major share in the projects. Isn't it?

For the specific case of CPEC, it makes no sense to even involve Punjab, much less give them any share of it because the original route for it was the shortest and most economical one and there was no reason at all to add to the costs and overhead just to involve Punjab in it. What happened was that as soon as Punjab got involved, not only did it end up with a disproportionate(even accounting for their population) amount of the total investment but the original route, that was to bring much needed infrastructure and industrial development to the western provinces, was pretty much relegated to the scrap heap.

The other issue is that while somewhere around 44-45% of the population is Punjabi, the resource allocation prioritizes Punjab in such a way that resources produced elsewhere are often diverted to Punjab as a first priority leaving nothing behind for the provinces where they're produced. KPK is the only province that produces more electricity than it consumes but they still have rolling blackouts because Punjab gets first dibs on the power they generate. Ditto with Balochistan's gas and Karachi's tax revenues. The army is another issue but I'm a little busy to go into details on that front.
 
Except that's how it's always been. How else do you explain the modification of the original CPEC? How do you explain that there's a dam who's headworks are located entirely in KPK but for some reason the power generating turbines are installed a few hundred meters on the Punjab side of the border to avoid paying royalties to KPK and for some even more inexplicable reason the power from that dam goes straight to industrial units in Faisalabad? How do you explain that every district in Punjab gets gas but the district in Balochistan where that gas is produced still doesn't? How do you explain that Sindh Rangers operating in Karachi, a city of mainly Urdu speakers and Pukhtuns, are overwhelmingly Punjabi? How do you explain public sector development funds being denied to KPK and diverted to Punjab?

I am a Punjabi, and I agree with every word you've wrote.
 
Except that's how it's always been. How else do you explain the modification of the original CPEC? How do you explain that there's a dam who's headworks are located entirely in KPK but for some reason the power generating turbines are installed a few hundred meters on the Punjab side of the border to avoid paying royalties to KPK and for some even more inexplicable reason the power from that dam goes straight to industrial units in Faisalabad? How do you explain that every district in Punjab gets gas but the district in Balochistan where that gas is produced still doesn't? How do you explain that Sindh Rangers operating in Karachi, a city of mainly Urdu speakers and Pukhtuns, are overwhelmingly Punjabi? How do you explain public sector development funds being denied to KPK and diverted to Punjab?


now how will you feel if I tell you "oh you keep quiet you, remember we are all Pakistanis no Sindhi, no Balochi, no Punjabi. dont create division".

This is what happens when any non-punjabi in this country raises his voice for clear cut cases of mistreatment and injustice and has to listen to this kameena pan, instead of being listened to with sincerity.

it doesent matter what you say bro, the whole country knows whats happening in most fields, even in cricket, yet when you even whisper about it, tides are turned on you for having a biased heart and playing victim card.

Sab ka haq maarna, loot mar karna, gunda gardi karna, dosron ko apne se neech samjhna without any reason, doing anything to say in power, country can go to hell attitude.

no country having all these wicked traits can prosper.
 
Except that's how it's always been. How else do you explain the modification of the original CPEC? How do you explain that there's a dam who's headworks are located entirely in KPK but for some reason the power generating turbines are installed a few hundred meters on the Punjab side of the border to avoid paying royalties to KPK and for some even more inexplicable reason the power from that dam goes straight to industrial units in Faisalabad? How do you explain that every district in Punjab gets gas but the district in Balochistan where that gas is produced still doesn't? How do you explain that Sindh Rangers operating in Karachi, a city of mainly Urdu speakers and Pukhtuns, are overwhelmingly Punjabi? How do you explain public sector development funds being denied to KPK and diverted to Punjab?

Who is denying corruption?

But as the largest province Punjab will always have the largest share.

My point is both sides need to improve. Punjab needs to try to redistribute better and the other provinces need to help keep the country together instead of agitating.
 
Who is denying corruption?

But as the largest province Punjab will always have the largest share.

No one denies that. The issue here is that Punjab's share is so disproportionately large, even once you account for their population. It is also mostly achieved through dubious means including using the army to secure it's interests by actively harming another province's.

My point is both sides need to improve. Punjab needs to try to redistribute better and the other provinces need to help keep the country together instead of agitating.
Ball is in Punjab's court really. They're the dominant player and they hold all the cards including the trump card, army, so if Punjab demonstrates good faith and allows other provinces their fair due, I see no reason for any separatism to exist there. All of the provinces are better off within Pakistan than outside it and they know it but when their interests are sacrificed in the name of Punjab to the extent that they are, it is natural for people to question if this is a reasonable price to pay. KPK had a lot of separatist activity in the 80s and 90s but that has died down significantly in the last 20 years or so and it is no coincidence that KPK's lot improved greatly in terms of inclusion in the national fold during this period so there's no reason the same can't be done on a larger scale.
 
Isn't the population in Pakistani Punjab over 100m? In which case over 50% of all Pakistanis live there so it's not surprising that they get the bulk of such projects (and the bulk of parliamentary seats).

Imagine a govt servant travelling all the way from Bahawalpur to Lahore for getting an application signed by Secretary of department.

Democracy means dilution of powers, whereas Politicians have enmassed powers in their respective provincial capitals, more so in Punjab.
 
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For the specific case of CPEC, it makes no sense to even involve Punjab, much less give them any share of it because the original route for it was the shortest and most economical one and there was no reason at all to add to the costs and overhead just to involve Punjab in it. What happened was that as soon as Punjab got involved, not only did it end up with a disproportionate(even accounting for their population) amount of the total investment but the original route, that was to bring much needed infrastructure and industrial development to the western provinces, was pretty much relegated to the scrap heap.

The other issue is that while somewhere around 44-45% of the population is Punjabi, the resource allocation prioritizes Punjab in such a way that resources produced elsewhere are often diverted to Punjab as a first priority leaving nothing behind for the provinces where they're produced. KPK is the only province that produces more electricity than it consumes but they still have rolling blackouts because Punjab gets first dibs on the power they generate. Ditto with Balochistan's gas and Karachi's tax revenues. The army is another issue but I'm a little busy to go into details on that front.

What route do you propose without involving Punjab and Sindh?
 
I'm watching this CPEC ho-hum with mild specticism since we have seen in our own history that whenever an opportunity arises to change our fate we whole-heartedly fail to grasp it and instead squander it.

Already we can see the Nooras trying to get all the major projects diverted to Punjab since there is where they get votes from. Also from what I'm reading in the news every single contract is being awarded after massive greasing of palms of all those involved.

Kha kha ke thaktay nahi yeh Noora.

Would it not have been better had we asked for a $10 billion loan/investment for the development of campuses of foreign universities in Pakistan? An educated population wouldn't need to take loans to build infrastructure.
 
I'm watching this CPEC ho-hum with mild specticism since we have seen in our own history that whenever an opportunity arises to change our fate we whole-heartedly fail to grasp it and instead squander it.

Already we can see the Nooras trying to get all the major projects diverted to Punjab since there is where they get votes from. Also from what I'm reading in the news every single contract is being awarded after massive greasing of palms of all those involved.

Kha kha ke thaktay nahi yeh Noora.

Would it not have been better had we asked for a $10 billion loan/investment for the development of campuses of foreign universities in Pakistan? An educated population wouldn't need to take loans to build infrastructure.

And who would have given you that loan? How would it be repaid?
 
And who would have given you that loan? How would it be repaid?

Same way this will be paid eventually

Government guarantee. Fleece the small percentage who actually bother to pay taxes
 
Same way this will be paid eventually

Government guarantee. Fleece the small percentage who actually bother to pay taxes

Except the loans on energy projects are attached to each project and have to be paid back by the revenue from selling electricity. While they are government guaranteed, they are not government loans.

Secondly, even if the loans are to be repaid by ''fleecing the populace'', the growth from energy and infrastructure could afford revenue to repay the loans, there would be no revenue in the short to middle-term from creating universities (and thus no money to repay the loans).

Finally, Syed1 has it backwards, growth affords the money to lift education and the middle class, not the other way around. Every developing country has followed this model and you know it very well. If this was any country but Pakistan and any party but PML-N, you would be backing me up on this. It's stupid to suggest that Pakistan shouldn't focus on infrastructure and energy but rather take loans to create universities.
 
Except the loans on energy projects are attached to each project and have to be paid back by the revenue from selling electricity. While they are government guaranteed, they are not government loans.

Secondly, even if the loans are to be repaid by ''fleecing the populace'', the growth from energy and infrastructure could afford revenue to repay the loans, there would be no revenue in the short to middle-term from creating universities (and thus no money to repay the loans).

Finally, Syed1 has it backwards, growth affords the money to lift education and the middle class, not the other way around. Every developing country has followed this model and you know it very well. If this was any country but Pakistan and any party but PML-N, you would be backing me up on this. It's stupid to suggest that Pakistan shouldn't focus on infrastructure and energy but rather take loans to create universities.
The last para of yours is based on your assumptions because nowhere have I agreed with Syed1. Though I do think spending on education is definitely a better bet than investing in roads and bridges which was modus operandi of pml-n till CPEC and which is what they believe in. CPEC is not any PML-N achievement as such Anyways and we both know it would have happened regardless of who was in government as long as the military cooperated

Now coming to these loans. Most of the power projects are guaranteed a dollar IRR resulting in tariffs which will be on average 20-30% more than the rates prevailing in the region. I have explained these in as much detail as I can publicly before and We have had this conversation before so no point beating a dead horse. The point is that either the obligations will be met through hiked up tariffs or in case there is a failure, the government will pay. In both cases it's eventually the people paying.

The only point of yours I would agree with is to consider whether we could have received a better deal elsewhere.

My own conclusion is: you are stretching the truth if you are saying CPEC is a pml-n achievement. You know it.
 
The last para of yours is based on your assumptions because nowhere have I agreed with Syed1. Though I do think spending on education is definitely a better bet than investing in roads and bridges which was modus operandi of pml-n till CPEC and which is what they believe in. CPEC is not any PML-N achievement as such Anyways and we both know it would have happened regardless of who was in government as long as the military cooperated

Now coming to these loans. Most of the power projects are guaranteed a dollar IRR resulting in tariffs which will be on average 20-30% more than the rates prevailing in the region. I have explained these in as much detail as I can publicly before and We have had this conversation before so no point beating a dead horse. The point is that either the obligations will be met through hiked up tariffs or in case there is a failure, the government will pay. In both cases it's eventually the people paying.

The only point of yours I would agree with is to consider whether we could have received a better deal elsewhere.

My own conclusion is: you are stretching the truth if you are saying CPEC is a pml-n achievement. You know it.

Neither did I say that CPEC is a PML-N achievement. I am only setting the record straight for people who are criticizing the project as ''universities would have been more beneficial''. Maybe you do not agree with Syed1 but I do not see you correcting his mistake.

Yes, the projects will be repaid through higher electricity tarifs. In the same way that the british government has given a guaranteed 97cents/MWh to EDF for Hinkley Point. That doesn't mean that they are ''government loans'' per se. It's a public-private collaboration and the loans are individual to each corporation.
And you said that the loans would be repaid by ''fleecing the few people who pay taxes'' but electricity tarifs apply to everyone whether they pay taxes or not.

I am not saying that CPEC has amazing terms for Pakistan. It doesn't. But it's still essential for Pakistan's economic future. You can spend all the billions you want on universities; the economy isn't going anywhere without reliable energy provision. Beggars can't be choosers. Nobody is lining up to lend Pakistan 20 billions$ on low interest rates.
 
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KPK is the only province that produces more electricity than it consumes but they still have rolling blackouts because Punjab gets first dibs on the power they generate.

Yes and it has nothing to do with the fact that federal government built dams in KPK using money it got from selling the water of Punjab and Sindh to India, leading to the destruction of many of their agricultural land.

Besides, this whole argument makes zero sense. Federal government builds dams in KPK because terrain is suitable there: why are we giving our electricity away :uak? Federal government builds energy projects (among which dams) in Punjab: why do they get all the projects :uak?
 
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The funniest part being that all this energy you are so proud of comes from dams on the Indus (protected by giving away Ravi and Sutlej water to Rajhastan) that are built in the Hazara district that the federal government gave KP without any reason. Boohoo, we are so unfavoured by Punjab dominated Pakistan :uak
 
The funniest part being that all this energy you are so proud of comes from dams on the Indus (protected by giving away Ravi and Sutlej water to Rajhastan) that are built in the Hazara district that the federal government gave KP without any reason. Boohoo, we are so unfavoured by Punjab dominated Pakistan :uak

Dams are built by the federal government only, no provincial government has the means to build large dams.


But obviously logic doesn't drive your or the Noora narrative.

And coming back to the topic of education vs power. Pakistan doesn't need $20 billion to educate its entire population. Heck even $3-4 billion would be enough to ensure each and every school has proper facilities, teachers have the right tools to mould our sharpest minds and the curriculum taught is upto the standard of the 21st century.

But unfortunately investing in our people is not seen as a viable investment by our hukmaran and folks like you. There was a study in the US, for every single dollar invested in early education results in a return to society of about $17, yes that is a 17 fold increase, and this is in a developed country like US where the benefit of educating a single child doesn't have the same effect as educating a single child in Pakistan (since all of the US is already literate, but the literacy rate in Pakistan is abysmal).


Obviously building a coal power plant that is fired by imported fuel offers massive opportunity to fill ones pocket. That is the sole aim of our hukmaran.
 
Neither did I say that CPEC is a PML-N achievement. I am only setting the record straight for people who are criticizing the project as ''universities would have been more beneficial''. Maybe you do not agree with Syed1 but I do not see you correcting his mistake.

Yes, the projects will be repaid through higher electricity tarifs. In the same way that the british government has given a guaranteed 97cents/MWh to EDF for Hinkley Point. That doesn't mean that they are ''government loans'' per se. It's a public-private collaboration and the loans are individual to each corporation.
And you said that the loans would be repaid by ''fleecing the few people who pay taxes'' but electricity tarifs apply to everyone whether they pay taxes or not.

I am not saying that CPEC has amazing terms for Pakistan. It doesn't. But it's still essential for Pakistan's economic future. You can spend all the billions you want on universities; the economy isn't going anywhere without reliable energy provision. Beggars can't be choosers. Nobody is lining up to lend Pakistan 20 billions$ on low interest rates.

Well it's funny you admit that CPEC isnt a PML-N achievement but then allege that the reason why I criticise it is because PML-N is doing it and if any other government was behind this I would support it. Certainly some disconnect there.

By referring to fleecing the people who pay taxes, I mean the worst case scenario where the government pays out of its own coffers which are partly filled by tax revenues.
 
Well it's funny you admit that CPEC isnt a PML-N achievement but then allege that the reason why I criticise it is because PML-N is doing it and if any other government was behind this I would support it. Certainly some disconnect there.

By referring to fleecing the people who pay taxes, I mean the worst case scenario where the government pays out of its own coffers which are partly filled by tax revenues.

Not really. The point is not that you are criticizing CPEC because of PML-N but rather that insafiyaans are, and you refuse to call them out on their mistake because you share their hatred for PML-N.

Would it come to the worst case scenario in a country with electricity deficit when you yourself admitted that the tarifs surplus is 20-30%? People, and especially factories, are paying out of their nose to install batteries and run on oil-powered generators, they can afford 20-30%.
 
Not really. The point is not that you are criticizing CPEC because of PML-N but rather that insafiyaans are, and you refuse to call them out on their mistake because you share their hatred for PML-N.

Would it come to the worst case scenario in a country with electricity deficit when you yourself admitted that the tarifs surplus is 20-30%? People, and especially factories, are paying out of their nose to install batteries and run on oil-powered generators, they can afford 20-30%.

Why do you expect me to defend PML-N when there isn't a case :)) . And yes you got the part about my intense dislike for PML-N right! But I always criticise them on policy unless its their thuggish behavior (which in a way is policy too)

As someone who probably has more exposure to CPEC than everyone else on the forum combined, I genuinely think in the long term it has the potential to be a disaster for us which will leave us, in effect, a Chinese client state. A quick guide would be the FIPI figures put out by government agencies and how there is a total capital flight by investors from other countries. Just look at who is taking significant shareholding in our state companies and who is exiting.

This is beyond the economic and financing arguments which I have put forward over the last several months. Also the nature of the projects in terms of all being fossil fuel based to a large degree
 
And coming back to the topic of education vs power. Pakistan doesn't need $20 billion to educate its entire population. Heck even $3-4 billion would be enough to ensure each and every school has proper facilities, teachers have the right tools to mould our sharpest minds and the curriculum taught is upto the standard of the 21st century.

But unfortunately investing in our people is not seen as a viable investment by our hukmaran and folks like you. There was a study in the US, for every single dollar invested in early education results in a return to society of about $17, yes that is a 17 fold increase, and this is in a developed country like US where the benefit of educating a single child doesn't have the same effect as educating a single child in Pakistan (since all of the US is already literate, but the literacy rate in Pakistan is abysmal).


Obviously building a coal power plant that is fired by imported fuel offers massive opportunity to fill ones pocket. That is the sole aim of our hukmaran.

Let's go with that: investing 1$ in early education gives 17$ back.

Well, we aren't going to put 10-12 years old to work after investing 1$ in their education. These supposed 17$ are going to come back in your income only 20-30 years later. Meanwhile, who is going to service the 2-3 billion$ in loans with 20-30% interest rate? Because that's Pakistan's reliability on the credit market.

China isn't interested in educating your population. They are giving you loans for energy and infrastructure. The loans range from 2-3% interest rate higher (still lower than what you'd get on the market). Some are investments expecting return within a few years (like Slog said), guaranteed by the government.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't invest in education. You should, smartly. Your suggestion that the money should be spent on attracting western universities in Pakistan is ludicrous. That's just for people who care more about name than education and have too much money to burn like the Sheikhs in Abu Dhabi. The money should be spent: 1) on primary to matric education. 2) on technical universities and apprenticeships so that you can form technicians and engineers limited to narrow fields with the right skills for multinationals willing to invest in Pakistani manufacturing (like China does).

Everytime a third world nation goes on the path of development, it's always the same oppositions: growth won't benefit the poor, the ruling elite is favouring themselves, we should spend on the poor's health and education rather than infrastructure etc... India had the same voices in the 90s (resident indians can confirm this), SK had the same in the 60s. And Cuba's leaders thought the same. Result: a 5 decades stagnation when they have an educated population (the first thing Che Guevara did was focus on education and within years they had 95% literacy) and one of the best universal healthcare in the world for each dollar spent.
 
Why do you expect me to defend PML-N when there isn't a case :)) . And yes you got the part about my intense dislike for PML-N right! But I always criticise them on policy unless its their thuggish behavior (which in a way is policy too)

As someone who probably has more exposure to CPEC than everyone else on the forum combined, I genuinely think in the long term it has the potential to be a disaster for us which will leave us, in effect, a Chinese client state. A quick guide would be the FIPI figures put out by government agencies and how there is a total capital flight by investors from other countries. Just look at who is taking significant shareholding in our state companies and who is exiting.

This is beyond the economic and financing arguments which I have put forward over the last several months. Also the nature of the projects in terms of all being fossil fuel based to a large degree

Because you said that PML-N has little to do with CPEC happening (thus contradicting their viewpoint) and because of not agreeing with the whole ''we need education first!''.

It's not exactly like Pakistan is going anywhere without being a chinese client state. I'd prefer a golden leash over starving in the wild.

If CPEC doesn't have any other benefit, at least it will have the benefit of solving Pakistan's energy crisis. Pakistan's manufacturing and exports have been held back for a long time by the chronic shortage in electricity. It's the main reason Bangladesh or Vietnam have taken over as ''China alternatives'' when Pakistan should have been primed for it, being one of the biggest producers of cotton in the world with massive amounts of cheap labour.

Now of course there is the argument that China has a surplus of production capacity and they will use CPEC to partially use the Pakistani market to get rid of it. And this won't allow Pakistan's exports to take of. It is indeed a danger, there needs to be a certain amount of protectionism when you are a developing nation. Liberalism and letting the market do its thing works better when you are a developed nation. It could result in Pakistan being to China what Greece is to Germany. But I think that the Pakistani market isn't such that they will gain much from letting go of their manufacturing surplus in Pakistan, it's more the investment surplus and the construction capacity (cement, builders,...) that they want to get rid of through CPEC.
 
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Let's go with that: investing 1$ in early education gives 17$ back.

Well, we aren't going to put 10-12 years old to work after investing 1$ in their education. These supposed 17$ are going to come back in your income only 20-30 years later. Meanwhile, who is going to service the 2-3 billion$ in loans with 20-30% interest rate? Because that's Pakistan's reliability on the credit market.

China isn't interested in educating your population. They are giving you loans for energy and infrastructure. The loans range from 2-3% interest rate higher (still lower than what you'd get on the market). Some are investments expecting return within a few years (like Slog said), guaranteed by the government.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't invest in education. You should, smartly. Your suggestion that the money should be spent on attracting western universities in Pakistan is ludicrous. That's just for people who care more about name than education and have too much money to burn like the Sheikhs in Abu Dhabi. The money should be spent: 1) on primary to matric education. 2) on technical universities and apprenticeships so that you can form technicians and engineers limited to narrow fields with the right skills for multinationals willing to invest in Pakistani manufacturing (like China does).

Everytime a third world nation goes on the path of development, it's always the same oppositions: growth won't benefit the poor, the ruling elite is favouring themselves, we should spend on the poor's health and education rather than infrastructure etc... India had the same voices in the 90s (resident indians can confirm this), SK had the same in the 60s. And Cuba's leaders thought the same. Result: a 5 decades stagnation when they have an educated population (the first thing Che Guevara did was focus on education and within years they had 95% literacy) and one of the best universal healthcare in the world for each dollar spent.

good post overall.

Cuba's economic stagnation was due to its close economy and the sanctions rather than what you are trying to say.

As for CPEC. What really angers some people is how the government (and to some extent the army) takes the awaam for suckers. The average Pakistani is given the kool aid that CPEC is a '$42bn Chinese investment' due to our 'all weather friendship.' The image is put out that Chinese are putting in hard equity injections whereas the fact is that a large chunk of it are loans at unfavorable rates with GoP guarantees as well as high tariffs.

The Chinese actually have very low risk in this! If it blows up it will be Pakistan which will be bearing the brunt of the losses. This is not some 'favor by a friend.'

Also there are talks that some Chinese products will get tariff waivers which will destory our local economy which cannot compete
 
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good post overall.

Cuba's economic stagnation was due to its close economy and the sanctions rather than what you are trying to say.

As for CPEC. What really angers some people is how the government (and to some extent the army) takes the awaam for suckers. The average Pakistani is given the kool aid that CPEC is a '$42bn Chinese investment' due to our 'all weather friendship.' The image is put out that Chinese are putting in hard equity injections whereas the fact is that a large chunk of it are loans at unfavorable rates with GoP guarantees as well as high tariffs.

The Chinese actually have very low risk in this! If it blows up it will be Pakistan which will be bearing the brunt of the losses. This is not some 'favor by a friend.'

Also there are talks that some Chinese products will get tariff waivers which will destory our local economy which cannot compete

True, Cuba's situation is complicated. You could argue that, despite the sanctions, they had a lot of money invested from USSR. The overall point is that, even though they invested in education, that wasn't an automatic path to success. While countries that focused on liberalizing their economy, exports, investments etc... did see the benefits from it in the long-term.
 
Let's go with that: investing 1$ in early education gives 17$ back.

Well, we aren't going to put 10-12 years old to work after investing 1$ in their education. These supposed 17$ are going to come back in your income only 20-30 years later. Meanwhile, who is going to service the 2-3 billion$ in loans with 20-30% interest rate? Because that's Pakistan's reliability on the credit market.

China isn't interested in educating your population. They are giving you loans for energy and infrastructure. The loans range from 2-3% interest rate higher (still lower than what you'd get on the market). Some are investments expecting return within a few years (like Slog said), guaranteed by the government.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't invest in education. You should, smartly. Your suggestion that the money should be spent on attracting western universities in Pakistan is ludicrous. That's just for people who care more about name than education and have too much money to burn like the Sheikhs in Abu Dhabi. The money should be spent: 1) on primary to matric education. 2) on technical universities and apprenticeships so that you can form technicians and engineers limited to narrow fields with the right skills for multinationals willing to invest in Pakistani manufacturing (like China does).

Everytime a third world nation goes on the path of development, it's always the same oppositions: growth won't benefit the poor, the ruling elite is favouring themselves, we should spend on the poor's health and education rather than infrastructure etc... India had the same voices in the 90s (resident indians can confirm this), SK had the same in the 60s. And Cuba's leaders thought the same. Result: a 5 decades stagnation when they have an educated population (the first thing Che Guevara did was focus on education and within years they had 95% literacy) and one of the best universal healthcare in the world for each dollar spent.

Good post, however I was advocating for investment in education not borne out of loans but through local means. If the government was serious about educating the millions of jahil and unparh then it won't have trouble finding 3-4 billion from its own pocket. Remember Pakistan's PSDP is around 8 billion, but defense budget is around 10 billion.

Obviously infrastructure is needed for growth and the Chinese are dishing out that loan as they get a very lucrative ROI, but being Pakistani you would know that we are our own worst enemies and will in all likelihood squander this opportunity. Who will end up repaying this loan?
 
Good post, however I was advocating for investment in education not borne out of loans but through local means. If the government was serious about educating the millions of jahil and unparh then it won't have trouble finding 3-4 billion from its own pocket. Remember Pakistan's PSDP is around 8 billion, but defense budget is around 10 billion.

Obviously infrastructure is needed for growth and the Chinese are dishing out that loan as they get a very lucrative ROI, but being Pakistani you would know that we are our own worst enemies and will in all likelihood squander this opportunity. Who will end up repaying this loan?

Decreasing the budget of the khakis? Do you think they will alow that? And will Imran stand with the government when they go head-on against the khakis? The army will never allow its defense budget be decreased. But yes, if there is the money, investing in early education is always a good thing. My main objection is that it has little correlation with CPEC: CPEC money is given only for CPEC. Whether it's there or not, it doesn't make a difference to what is invested in education.

China has very favourable ROIs because Pakistan is a risky investment. A terror-marred nation with an unstable democracy. Nobody else is lining up to lend Pakistan money at better terms.

I don't think Pakistan will end up defaulting as some of the investments are sensible (namely energy or linking up Karachi-Lahore). Gwadar won't end up being the new Dubai or whatever, the result will probably be somewhere in between. Neither a disaster nor the success we were promised.
 
Exclusive: CPEC master plan revealed

Details from original documents laying out the CPEC long term plan are publicly disclosed for the first time.
KHURRAM HUSAINUpdated about 6 hours ago
LONG TERM PLAN
HOW THE PLAN WAS MADE
Plan eyes agriculture
Large surveillance system for cities
Visa-free entry for Chinese nationals
The floodgates are about to open. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif arrived in Beijing over the weekend to participate in the One Belt, One Road summit, and the top item on his agenda is to finalise the Long Term Plan (LTP) for the China-Pakistan Economic Corri*dor. [See next tab for details on how the plan was made].

Dawn has acquired exclusive access to the original document, and for the first time its details are being publicly disclosed here. The plan lays out in detail what Chinese intentions and priorities are in Pakistan for the next decade and a half, details that have not been discussed in public thus far.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan at the One Belt One Road summit in Beijing. — APP
Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan at the One Belt One Road summit in Beijing. — APP
Two versions of the Long Term Plan are with the government. The full version is the one that was drawn up by the China Development Bank and the National Development Reform Commission of the People’s Republic of China. It is 231 pages long.
Two versions of the Long Term Plan are with the government. The full version is the one that was drawn up by the China Development Bank and the National Development Reform Commission of the People’s Republic of China. It is 231 pages long.
The shortened version is dated February 2017. It contains only broad brushstroke descriptions of the various “areas of cooperation” and none of the details. It was drawn up for circulation to the provincial governments to obtain their assent. It is 30 pages long. The only provincial government that received the full version of the plan is the Punjab government.
The shortened version is dated February 2017. It contains only broad brushstroke descriptions of the various “areas of cooperation” and none of the details. It was drawn up for circulation to the provincial governments to obtain their assent. It is 30 pages long. The only provincial government that received the full version of the plan is the Punjab government.
For instance, thousands of acres of agricultural land will be leased out to Chinese enterprises to set up “demonstration projects” in areas ranging from seed varieties to irrigation technology. A full system of monitoring and surveillance will be built in cities from Peshawar to Karachi, with 24 hour video recordings on roads and busy marketplaces for law and order. A national fibreoptic backbone will be built for the country not only for internet traffic, but also terrestrial distribution of broadcast TV, which will cooperate with Chinese media in the “dissemination of Chinese culture”.

The plan envisages a deep and broad-based penetration of most sectors of Pakistan’s economy as well as its society by Chinese enterprises and culture. Its scope has no precedent in Pakistan’s history in terms of how far it opens up the domestic economy to participation by foreign enterprises. In some areas the plan seeks to build on a market presence already established by Chinese enterprises, eg Haier in household appliances, ChinaMobile and Huawei in telecommunications and China Metallurgical Group Corporation (MCC) in mining and minerals.

In other cases, such as textiles and garments, cement and building materials, fertiliser and agricultural technologies (among others) it calls for building the infrastructure and a supporting policy environment to facilitate fresh entry. A key element in this is the creation of industrial parks, or special economic zones, which “must meet specified conditions, including availability of water…perfect infrastructure, sufficient supply of energy and the capacity of self service power”, according to the plan.

But the main thrust of the plan actually lies in agriculture, contrary to the image of CPEC as a massive industrial and transport undertaking, involving power plants and highways. The plan acquires its greatest specificity, and lays out the largest number of projects and plans for their facilitation, in agriculture.

The plan states at the outset that the corridor “spans Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region and whole Pakistan in spatial range”. It’s main aim is to connect South Xinjiang with Pakistan. It is divided into a “core area” and what they call the “radiation zones”, those territories that will feel the knock on effects of the work being done in the core area. The core area includes “Kashgar, Tumshuq, Atushi and Akto of Kizilsu Kirghiz of Xinjiang” from China, and “most of Islamabad’s Capital territory, Punjab, and Sindh, and some areas of Gilgit-Baltistan, Khyber Pukhtunkhwa, and Balochistan” from Pakistan. It has “one belt, three passages, and two axes and five functional zones”, where the belt is “the strip area formed by important arterial traffic in China and Pakistan".
The plan states at the outset that the corridor “spans Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region and whole Pakistan in spatial range”. It’s main aim is to connect South Xinjiang with Pakistan. It is divided into a “core area” and what they call the “radiation zones”, those territories that will feel the knock on effects of the work being done in the core area. The core area includes “Kashgar, Tumshuq, Atushi and Akto of Kizilsu Kirghiz of Xinjiang” from China, and “most of Islamabad’s Capital territory, Punjab, and Sindh, and some areas of Gilgit-Baltistan, Khyber Pukhtunkhwa, and Balochistan” from Pakistan. It has “one belt, three passages, and two axes and five functional zones”, where the belt is “the strip area formed by important arterial traffic in China and Pakistan".
Header photo courtesy Reuters.

Agriculture
For agriculture, the plan outlines an engagement that runs from one end of the supply chain all the way to the other. From provision of seeds and other inputs, like fertiliser, credit and pesticides, Chinese enterprises will also operate their own farms, processing facilities for fruits and vegetables and grain. Logistics companies will operate a large storage and transportation system for agrarian produce.

It identifies opportunities for entry by Chinese enterprises in the myriad dysfunctions that afflict Pakistan’s agriculture sector. For instance, “due to lack of cold-chain logistics and processing facilities, 50% of agricultural products go bad during harvesting and transport”, it notes.



A full system of monitoring and surveillance will be built in cities from Peshawar to Karachi, with 24 hour video recordings on roads and busy marketplaces for law and order.



Enterprises entering agriculture will be offered extraordinary levels of assistance from the Chinese government. They are encouraged to “[m]ake the most of the free capital and loans” from various ministries of the Chinese government as well as the China Development Bank. The plan also offers to maintain a mechanism that will “help Chinese agricultural enterprises to contact the senior representatives of the Government of Pakistan and China”.

The government of China will “actively strive to utilize the national special funds as the discount interest for the loans of agricultural foreign investment”. In the longer term the financial risk will be spread out, through “new types of financing such as consortium loans, joint private equity and joint debt issuance, raise funds via multiple channels and decentralise financing risks”.

— Reuters photo
— Reuters photo
The plan proposes to harness the work of the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps to bring mechanization as well as scientific technique in livestock breeding, development of hybrid varieties and precision irrigation to Pakistan. It sees its main opportunity as helping the Kashgar Prefecture, a territory within the larger Xinjiang Autonomous Zone, which suffers from a poverty incidence of 50 per cent, and large distances that make it difficult to connect to larger markets in order to promote development. The prefecture’s total output in agriculture, forestry, animal husbandry and fishery amounted to just over $5 billion in 2012, and its population was less than 4 million in 2010, hardly a market with windfall gains for Pakistan.

However, for the Chinese, this is the main driving force behind investing in Pakistan’s agriculture, in addition to the many profitable opportunities that can open up for their enterprises from operating in the local market. The plan makes some reference to export of agriculture goods from the ports, but the bulk of its emphasis is focused on the opportunities for the Kashgar Prefecture and Xinjiang Production Corps, coupled with the opportunities for profitable engagement in the domestic market.

The plan discusses those engagements in considerable detail. Ten key areas for engagement are identified along with seventeen specific projects. They include the construction of one NPK fertilizer plant as a starting point “with an annual output of 800,000 tons”. Enterprises will be inducted to lease farm implements, like tractors, “efficient plant protection machinery, efficient energy saving pump equipment, precision fertilization drip irrigation equipment” and planting and harvesting machinery.



The plan shows great interest in the textiles industry in particular, but the interest is focused largely on yarn and coarse cloth.



Meat processing plants in Sukkur are planned with annual output of 200,000 tons per year, and two demonstration plants processing 200,000 tons of milk per year. In crops, demonstration projects of more than 6,500 acres will be set up for high yield seeds and irrigation, mostly in Punjab. In transport and storage, the plan aims to build “a nationwide logistics network, and enlarge the warehousing and distribution network between major cities of Pakistan” with a focus on grains, vegetables and fruits. Storage bases will be built first in Islamabad and Gwadar in the first phase, then Karachi, Lahore and another in Gwadar in the second phase, and between 2026-2030, Karachi, Lahore and Peshawar will each see another storage base.

Asadabad, Islamabad, Lahore and Gwadar will see a vegetable processing plant, with annual output of 20,000 tons, fruit juice and jam plant of 10,000 tons and grain processing of 1 million tons. A cotton processing plant is also planned initially, with output of 100,000 tons per year.

“We will impart advanced planting and breeding techniques to peasant households or farmers by means of land acquisition by the government, renting to China-invested enterprises and building planting and breeding bases” it says about the plan to source superior seeds.

In each field, Chinese enterprises will play the lead role. “China-invested enterprises will establish factories to produce fertilizers, pesticides, vaccines and feedstuffs” it says about the production of agricultural materials.

“China-invested enterprises will, in the form of joint ventures, shareholding or acquisition, cooperate with local enterprises of Pakistan to build a three-level warehousing system (purchase & storage warehouse, transit warehouse and port warehouse)” it says about warehousing.



One of the most intriguing chapters in the plan speaks of a long belt of coastal enjoyment industry that includes yacht wharfs, cruise homeports, nightlife, city parks, public squares, theaters, golf courses and spas, hot spring hotels and water sports.



Then it talks about trade. “We will actively embark on cultivating surrounding countries in order to improve import and export potential of Pakistani agricultural products and accelerate the trade of agricultural products. In the early stages, we will gradually create a favorable industry image and reputation for Pakistan by relying on domestic demand.”

In places the plan appears to be addressing investors in China. It says Chinese enterprises should seek “coordinated cooperation with Pakistani enterprises” and “maintain orderly competition and mutual coordination.” It advises them to make an effort “seeking for powerful strategic partners for bundling interest in Pakistan.”

As security measures, enterprises will be advised “to respect the religions and customs of the local people, treat people as equals and live in harmony”. They will also be advised to “increase local employment and contribute to local society by means of subcontracting and consortiums.” In the final sentence of the chapter on agriculture, the plan says the government of China will “trengthen the safety cooperation with key countries, regions and international organizations, jointly prevent and crack down on terrorist acts that endanger the safety of Chinese overseas enterprises and their staff.”

Illustration by Sana Nasir/Herald
Illustration by Sana Nasir/Herald
Industry
For industry, the plan trifurcates the country into three zones: western and northwestern, central and southern. Each zone is marked to receive specific industries in designated industrial parks, of which only a few are actually mentioned. The western and northwestern zone, covering most of Balochistan and KP province, is marked for mineral extraction, with potential in chrome ore, “gold reserves hold a considerable potential, but are still at the exploration stage”, and diamonds. One big mineral product that the plan discusses is marble. Already, China is Pakistan’s largest buyer of processed marble, at almost 80,000 tons per year. The plan looks to set up 12 marble and granite processing sites in locations ranging from Gilgit and Kohistan in the north, to Khuzdar in the south.

The central zone is marked for textiles, household appliances and cement. Four separate locations are pointed out for future cement clusters: Daudkhel, Khushab, Esakhel and Mianwali. The case of cement is interesting, because the plan notes that Pakistan is surplus in cement capacity, then goes on to say that “in the future, there is a larger space of cooperation for China to invest in the cement process transformation”.



“There is a plan to build a pilot safe city in Peshawar, which faces a fairly severe security situation in northwestern Pakistan”.



For the southern zone, the plan recommends that “Pakistan develop petrochemical, iron and steel, harbor industry, engineering machinery, trade processing and auto and auto parts (assembly)” due to the proximity of Karachi and its ports. This is the only part in the report where the auto industry is mentioned in any substantive way, which is a little surprising because the industry is one of the fastest growing in the country. The silence could be due to lack of interest on the part of the Chinese to acquire stakes, or to diplomatic prudence since the sector is, at the moment, entirely dominated by Japanese companies (Toyota, Honda and Suzuki).

One of the CPEC transport routes. — AFP
One of the CPEC transport routes. — AFP
Gwadar, also in the southern zone, “is positioned as the direct hinterland connecting Balochistan and Afghanistan.” As a CPEC entreport, the plan recommends that it be built into “a base of heavy and chemical industries, such as iron and steel/petrochemical”. It notes that “some Chinese enterprises have started investment and construction in Gwadar” taking advantage of its “superior geographical position and cheap shipping costs to import crude oil from the Middle East, iron ore and coking coal resources from South Africa and New Zealand” for onward supply to the local market “as well as South Asia and Middle East after processing at port.”

The plan shows great interest in the textiles industry in particular, but the interest is focused largely on yarn and coarse cloth. The reason, as the plan lays out, is that in Xinjiang the textile industry has already attained higher levels of productivity. Therefore, “China can make the most of the Pakistani market in cheap raw materials to develop the textiles & garments industry and help soak up surplus labor forces in Kashgar”. The ensuing strategy is described cryptically as the principle of “introducing foreign capital and establishing domestic connections as a crossover of West and East".

Preferential policies will be necessary to attract enterprises to come to the newly built industrial parks envisioned under the plan. The areas where such preferences need to be extended are listed in the plan as “land, tax, logistics and services” as well as land price, “enterprise income tax, tariff reduction and exemption and sales tax rate.”

Chinese troops march as they take part in Pakistan Day military parade. ─ AFP
Chinese troops march as they take part in Pakistan Day military parade. ─ AFP
Fibreoptics and surveillance
One of the oldest priorities for the Chinese government since talks on CPEC began is fibreoptic connectivity between China and Pakistan. An MoU for such a link was signed in July 2013, at a time when CPEC appeared to be little more than a road link between Kashgar and Gwadar. But the plan reveals that the link goes far beyond a simple fibreoptic set up.

China has various reasons for wanting a terrestrial fibreoptic link with Pakistan, including its own limited number of submarine landing stations and international gateway exchanges which can serve as a bottleneck to future growth of internet traffic. This is especially true for the western provinces. “Moreover, China’s telecom services to Africa need to be transferred in Europe, so there is certain hidden danger of the overall security” says the plan. Pakistan has four submarine cables to handle its internet traffic, but only one landing station, which raises security risks as well.

— AFP photo
— AFP photo
So the plan envisages a terrestrial cable across the Khunjerab pass to Islamabad, and a submarine landing station in Gwadar, linked to Sukkur. From there, the backbone will link the two in Islamabad, as well as all major cities in Pakistan.

The expanded bandwidth that will open up will enable terrestrial broadcast of digital HD television, called Digital Television Terrestrial Multimedia Broadcasting (DTMB). This is envisioned as more than just a technological contribution. It is a “cultural transmission carrier. The future cooperation between Chinese and Pakistani media will be beneficial to disseminating Chinese culture in Pakistan, further enhancing mutual understanding between the two peoples and the traditional friendship between the two countries.” The plan says nothing about how the system will be used to control the content of broadcast media, nor does it say anything more about “the future cooperation between Chinese and Pakistani media”.



Judging from their conversations with the government, it appears that the Pakistanis are pushing the Chinese to begin work on the Gwadar International Airport, whereas the Chinese are pushing for early completion of the Eastbay Expressway.



It also seeks to create an electronic monitoring and control system for the border in Khunjerab, as well as run a “safe cities” project. The safe city project will deploy explosive detectors and scanners to “cover major roads, case-prone areas and crowded places…in urban areas to conduct real-time monitoring and 24 hour video recording.” Signals gathered from the surveillance system will be transmitted to a command centre, but the plan says nothing about who will staff the command centre, what sort of signs they will look for, and who will provide the response.

“There is a plan to build a pilot safe city in Peshawar, which faces a fairly severe security situation in northwestern Pakistan” the plan says, following which the program will be extended to major cities such as Islamabad, Lahore and Karachi, hinting that the feeds will be shared eventually, and perhaps even recorded.

Tourism and recreation
One of the most intriguing chapters in the plan is the one that talks about the development of a “coastal tourism” industry. It speaks of a long belt of coastal enjoyment industry that includes yacht wharfs, cruise homeports, nightlife, city parks, public squares, theaters, golf courses and spas, hot spring hotels and water sports. The belt will run from Keti Bunder to Jiwani, the last habitation before the Iranian border. Then, somewhat disappointingly, it adds that “more work needs to be done” before this vision can be realized.

The plans are laid out in surprising detail. For instance, Gwadar will feature international cruise clubs that “provide marine tourists private rooms that would feel as though they were ‘living in the ocean’”. And just as the feeling sinks in, it goes on to say that “[f]or the development of coastal vacation products, Islamic culture, historical culture, folk culture and marine culture shall all be integrated.” Apparently more work needs to be done here too.

— AFP photo
— AFP photo
For Ormara, the plan recommends building “unique recreational activities” that would also encourage “the natural, exciting, participatory, sultry, and tempting characteristics” to come through. For Keti Bunder it recommends wildlife sanctuaries, an aquarium and a botanical garden. For Sonmiani, on the eastern edge of Karachi, “projects like a coastal beach, extended greenway, coastal villa, car camp, SPA, beach playground and a seafood street can be developed.”

It is an expansive vision that the plan lays out, and towards the end, it asks for the following: “Make the visa-free tourism possible with China to provide more convenient policy support for Chinese tourists to Pakistan.” There is no mention of a reciprocal arrangement for Pakistani nationals visiting China.

Finance and risk
In any plan, the question of financial resources is always crucial. The long term plan drawn up by the China Development Bank is at its sharpest when discussing Pakistan’s financial sector, government debt market, depth of commercial banking and the overall health of the financial system. It is at its most unsentimental when drawing up the risks faced by long term investments in Pakistan’s economy.

The chief risk the plan identifies is politics and security. “There are various factors affecting Pakistani politics, such as competing parties, religion, tribes, terrorists, and Western intervention” the authors write. “The security situation is the worst in recent years”. The next big risk, surprisingly, is inflation, which the plan says has averaged 11.6 per cent over the past 6 years. “A high inflation rate means a rise of project-related costs and a decline in profits.”

Efforts will be made, says the plan, to furnish “free and low interest loans to Pakistan” once the costs of the corridor begin to come in. But this is no free ride, it emphasizes. “Pakistan’s federal and involved local governments should also bear part of the responsibility for financing through issuing sovereign guarantee bonds, meanwhile protecting and improving the proportion and scale of the government funds invested in corridor construction in the financial budget.”

Illustration by Sana Nasir/Herald
Illustration by Sana Nasir/Herald
It asks for financial guarantees “to provide credit enhancement support for the financing of major infrastructure projects, enhance the financing capacity, and protect the interests of creditors.” Relying on the assessments of the IMF, World Bank and the ADB, it notes that Pakistan’s economy cannot absorb FDI much above $2 billion per year without giving rise to stresses in its economy. “It is recommended that China’s maximum annual direct investment in Pakistan should be around US$1 billion.” Likewise, it concludes that Pakistan’s ceiling for preferential loans should be $1 billion, and for non preferential loans no more than $1.5 billion per year.

It advises its own enterprises to take precautions to protect their own investments. “International business cooperation with Pakistan should be conducted mainly with the government as a support, the banks as intermediary agents and enterprises as the mainstay.” Nor is the growing engagement some sort of brotherly involvement. “The cooperation with Pakistan in the monetary and financial areas aims to serve China’s diplomatic strategy.”

The other big risk the plan refers to is exchange rate risk, after noting the severe weakness in Pakistan’s ability to earn foreign exchange. To mitigate this, the plan proposes tripling the size of the swap mechanism between the RMB and the Pakistani rupee to 30 billion Yuan, diversifying power purchase payments beyond the dollar into RMB and rupee basket, tapping the Hong Kong market for RMB bonds, and diversifying enterprise loans from a wide array of sources. The growing role of the RMB in Pakistan’s economy is a clearly stated objective of the measures proposed.

Conclusion
It is not clear how much of the plan will be earnestly followed up and how much is there simply to evince interest from the Pakistani side. In the areas of interest contained in the plan, it appears access to the full supply chain of the agrarian economy is a top priority for the Chinese. After that the capacity of the textile spinning sector to serve the raw material needs of Xinjiang, and the garment and value added sector to absorb Chinese technology is another priority.

Next is the growing domestic market, particularly in cement and household appliances, which receive detailed treatment in the plan. And lastly, through greater financial integration, the plan seeks to advance the internationalization of the RMB, as well as diversify the risks faced by Chinese enterprises entering Pakistan.



In some areas the plan seeks to build on a market presence already established by Chinese enterprises, eg Haier in household appliances, ChinaMobile and Huawei in telecommunications and China Metallurgical Group Corporation (MCC) in mining and minerals.



Gwadar receives passing mention as an economic prospect, mainly for its capacity to serve as a port of exit for minerals from Balochistan and Afghanistan, and as an entreport for wider trade in the greater Indian Ocean zone from South Africa to New Zealand. There is no mention of China’s external trade being routed through Gwadar. Judging from their conversations with the government, it appears that the Pakistanis are pushing the Chinese to begin work on the Gwadar International Airport, whereas the Chinese are pushing for early completion of the Eastbay Expressway.

But the entry of Chinese firms will not be limited to the CPEC framework alone, as the recent acquisition of the Pakistan Stock Exchange, and the impending acquisition of K Electric demonstrate. In fact, CPEC is only the opening of the door. What comes through once that door has been opened is difficult to forecast.


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