"Qandeel Baloch killed by brother in Multan": police

[Hamza_]

News is that her brother took away money and jewellery. Not an honour murder?

 

[street cricketer]

Blah, blah and blah.

People still excited that she had a right to show her skin because it was her life.

I still maintain she had that right, there was no need for her to die.

But when she was showing her skin and strutting around half-naked that behavior is reprehensible.

And I called her out on it.

Still do.

If you think that is justifying her murder, we can keep going in circles.

I will NOT back down, because of what few random posters on Internet think of me.

My conscience is extremely clear.

Murder is wrong.

Killing is wrong.

Showing skin and spreading nakedness is wrong.

Keep thinking that I am wrong.

Doesn't hurt me.

See the problem is not about what you think is wrong. Everyone has a prerogative for holding opinions about certain things in life. What is a disgraceful clothing for you may not be so for me. What is a correct code of clothing for you may be a hideous piece of clothing for me. And Qandeel most definitely didn't lead the most enviable of lifestyles. Then again, I don't consider the lifestyle of film stars as enviable as well. But that doesn't mean that I consider them to be a blot on humanity. You have to understand that different people have different lifestyles and you can just say that it is not your cup of tea, but you have no right to judge and brand them as the all evil of the society. No matter how hard you try, you cannot create a homogeneous society full of people adhering to a set code of cultural norms that you are happy with. There are atheists in Saudi arabia and some of the biggest right wing nutjobs are present in the developed countries of the world.

I know you don't condone the murder. But when you say "It was bad but one good thing about it is that the next girl will think twice before taking up such a lifestyle", you start a dangerous vicious cycle of moral policing. And believe me, this trap of moral policing will do much more harm to the society and destroy the "moral fabric" of it than a Qandeel can do. The other day, I read about a news video about an Afghan girl being made to stand inside a pit surrounded by a group of people (the higher civilized echelon of the society) and being stoned to death by them just because she had talked to a friend before marriage. I couldn't bring myself to watch the video of it, but that news right there gives you a glimpse of the society when moral policing takes over. Just where do you draw the line? What if a girl is killed by her brother just because she happened to wear a trouser showing her skin and people start saying "I don't condone the murder but one positive is that girls will think twice about wearing trousers in the future". Then next day, another girl will get killed for wearing jeans or if she is spotted with a male friend.

You don't have to agree with the lifestyle of the dead, but it is crass to call her a low life and an evil being and the world is not any worse because she died, which is pretty much saying she deserved whatever she got. Of course, she is not a special and a unique person and any honour killing is a heinous act, but not condemning this act just because of her lifestyle and even going to justify it or taking a positive out if it is no different from the mentality of the murderer itself.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

See the problem is not about what you think is wrong. Everyone has a prerogative for holding opinions about certain things in life. What is a disgraceful clothing for you may not be so for me. What is a correct code of clothing for you may be a hideous piece of clothing for me. And Qandeel most definitely didn't lead the most enviable of lifestyles. Then again, I don't consider the lifestyle of film stars as enviable as well. But that doesn't mean that I consider them to be a blot on humanity. You have to understand that different people have different lifestyles and you can just say that it is not your cup of tea, but you have no right to judge and brand them as the all evil of the society. No matter how hard you try, you cannot create a homogeneous society full of people adhering to a set code of cultural norms that you are happy with. There are atheists in Saudi arabia and some of the biggest right wing nutjobs are present in the developed countries of the world.

I know you don't condone the murder. But when you say "It was bad but one good thing about it is that the next girl will think twice before taking up such a lifestyle", you start a dangerous vicious cycle of moral policing. And believe me, this trap of moral policing will do much more harm to the society and destroy the "moral fabric" of it than a Qandeel can do. The other day, I read about a news video about an Afghan girl being made to stand inside a pit surrounded by a group of people (the higher civilized echelon of the society) and being stoned to death by them just because she had talked to a friend before marriage. I couldn't bring myself to watch the video of it, but that news right there gives you a glimpse of the society when moral policing takes over. Just where do you draw the line? What if a girl is killed by her brother just because she happened to wear a trouser showing her skin and people start saying "I don't condone the murder but one positive is that girls will think twice about wearing trousers in the future". Then next day, another girl will get killed for wearing jeans or if she is spotted with a male friend.

You don't have to agree with the lifestyle of the dead, but it is crass to call her a low life and an evil being and the world is not any worse because she died, which is pretty much saying she deserved whatever she got. Of course, she is not a special and a unique person and any honour killing is a heinous act, but not condemning this act just because of her lifestyle and even going to justify it or taking a positive out if it is no different from the mentality of the murderer itself.

Except I am not judging them by my own rules. I am following the rules enjoined by Allah and Holy Prophet. I can understand why from a non-Muslim point of view, you might consider EVERYTHING OKAY.

But once she is in the realm of Islam, she has to abide by the code of conduct.

If she doesn't ,then at least her act should be considered at the minimum BAD.

Of course, people shouldn't kill her for it, and what happened was a tragedy.

Regarding the second bolded part.

Do you know what is the punishment in Islam for stealing from someone ? It is cutting off the hand of the person. While, it does seem a bit excessive, what is the point of it entirely?

The point is that the person whose arm has been cut off, will REMEMBER WHY IT HAPPENED, and the people who see the person with his HAND CUT OFF, will see the FATE OF SOMEONE WHO STEALS.

While to the Western world, these punishments might seem excessive, inhumane and perhaps even downright injudicial, they are MEANT TO WARN AND SERVE AS DETERRENT.

Now I know you are not Muslim, but from an Islamic society point of view, her death could serve as a warning for future girls TREADING ON PATH WHICH IS FORBIDDEN.

Now if a Muslim Girl, wants to forsake Islam, and then do such things, I FEEL our society SHOULD ACCEPT NON-MUSLIMS who want to show skin, dance or wear bikinis.

The hallmark of a society is that it can desist from transformation when it follows a certain religion, but able to accept PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGION WHO DON'T FOLLOW THEIR RULES.

I realize, this is hard for you to understand, and you clearly believe, that every person has his own decision in life.

That is only true, when you haven't accepted Islam.

There is no compulsion in religion, but when you EMBRACE ISLAM, you have to abide by its ethics.

There is no second guessing in religion.

And Allah knows best.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Honor killing is not allowed in Islam. It's Haram bro.

Killing is Haram.

End of story.

The poster is saying ALL LAWS OF RELIGION are written by hypocrites when clearly it can't be true, because the Prophet was NOT A HYPOCRITE.

 

[Mamoon]

Qandeel Baloch has now virtually been elevated by social media - the very same social media that used to ridicule her when she was alive - to the level of sainthood.

A woman whose decisions were made fun of incessantly is now being treated as a martyr.

Granted, none of those mourning her ever wanted her dead, but let this serve as an opportunity for us to reform and not treat all those who refuse to conform to societal and cultural norms any differently.

Let us not ostracise people for exercising their freedom of expression as they see fit.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

This is where I do nto agree.

She was on a wrong path....

So are people who are corrupt....

Is it Islamic point of view to kill a corrupt person so that it acts as a deterrent ?

There are very few crimes that are punishable by death in Islam.

A married woman having sex with a man who is not her husband.

If a person kills another person, then the family has a right to either get blood money or KILL IN RETURN.

Beyond that, killing is not encouraged in Islam.

So when you say corrupt person should be killed, NO they shouldn't.

 

[shah_1]

Veena Malik was fully naked in one poster, she is living freely in Pakistan. We have mujra dancers on morning shows, girls like
mathira are earning million for being controversial and vulgar. We have modeling shows on Hum TV where models freely walk on the ramp showing their skin with Pemra having no objection.


I don't see them being killed so stop generalizing

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Veena Malik was fully naked in one poster, she is living freely in Pakistan. We have mujra dancers on morning shows, girls like
mathira are earning million for being controversial and vulgar. We have modeling shows on Hum TV where models freely walk on the ramp showing their skin with Pemra having no objection.


I don't see them being killed so stop generalizing

Because their family is NOT STUPID ENOUGH to KILL THEM OVER HONOR KILLING.

And rightly so.

But what's wrong with calling Veena Malik a bad influence for the society, and those mujra dancers a bad influence for the society, and Mathira a wrong influence to the society.

They shouldn't be KILLED.

They should certainly NOT BE APPRECIATED.

 

[Slog]

Tbf you will see the similar kind of comments if it happened in India too but the only difference is most of those Indians would be uneducated jaahils while the people commentating here are actually quite smart and intelligent(or at least I thought they were). If that's how the majority of Pakistanis think ,the future looks really bleak for the country.
And it's not about whether she was a role model or her contribution to the society.People are justifying a cold blooded murder here in the name of stupid things like honor and religion.Yes if my sister did something like that I would be angry at her too,will probably stop talking to her,but murder? come on guys

You've actually said you would kill your sister if she did what Sunny Leone does. I remember having to infract you for that when I was a mod

 

[LongHorn]

There are very few crimes that are punishable by death in Islam.

A married woman having sex with a man who is not her husband.
.

And vice versa as well...

From what I know of her crimes were not worthy of death penalty

 

[TM Riddle]

You've actually said you would kill your sister if she did what Sunny Leone does. I remember having to infract you for that when I was a mod

Not my prob if some of you have problems grasping simple sarcasm.

 

[kamz]

I don't know why people are deliberately being stupid here.

I didn't claim to be moral police.

I didn't shoot the girl.

I didn't say I would even stop someone who does that.

I just said "I THINK WHAT SHE WAS DOING IS BAD, AND I CALLED HER FOR IT".

People seem to be upset over my "THINKING".

It's not that I stop every bikini clad girl, or dancer, and start preaching her religion. It's their life and they can live it how they want.

But if you want me stop considering a morally reprehensible act , as bad , and just look the other way, like a bunch of hypocrites living in the West, who are born to Muslim families, yet suck up to the Western concepts of woman empowerment, including itemizing girls, then count me out of it.

I will keep calling reprehensible acts as reprehensible.

I will NOT take the life of any person, nor will I FORCE ANYONE TO WEAR CLOTHES IF THEY DON'T WANT.

If you want to judge me on that, good luck.

Peace.

Whilst not knowing the woman or man, killing or taking anyone's life be they are innocent or guilty is wrong as the public arent the law. That is for the court or judge to decide what punishment should be handed for the crime to be committed. For the man he should be punished for committing murder and for the woman if she was being immoral, she should have reprimanded by the law, not by the brother taking her life.

Now is the time to practice the lowest level of imaan - ke dil mein hi burayi koi bura samajlo. Yahan pe logon ko tumhari baatein samaj nahi aayengi!

 

[street cricketer]

Except I am not judging them by my own rules. I am following the rules enjoined by Allah and Holy Prophet. I can understand why from a non-Muslim point of view, you might consider EVERYTHING OKAY.

But once she is in the realm of Islam, she has to abide by the code of conduct.

If she doesn't ,then at least her act should be considered at the minimum BAD.

Of course, people shouldn't kill her for it, and what happened was a tragedy.

Regarding the second bolded part.

Do you know what is the punishment in Islam for stealing from someone ? It is cutting off the hand of the person. While, it does seem a bit excessive, what is the point of it entirely?

The point is that the person whose arm has been cut off, will REMEMBER WHY IT HAPPENED, and the people who see the person with his HAND CUT OFF, will see the FATE OF SOMEONE WHO STEALS.

While to the Western world, these punishments might seem excessive, inhumane and perhaps even downright injudicial, they are MEANT TO WARN AND SERVE AS DETERRENT.

Now I know you are not Muslim, but from an Islamic society point of view, her death could serve as a warning for future girls TREADING ON PATH WHICH IS FORBIDDEN.

Now if a Muslim Girl, wants to forsake Islam, and then do such things, I FEEL our society SHOULD ACCEPT NON-MUSLIMS who want to show skin, dance or wear bikinis.

The hallmark of a society is that it can desist from transformation when it follows a certain religion, but able to accept PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGION WHO DON'T FOLLOW THEIR RULES.

I realize, this is hard for you to understand, and you clearly believe, that every person has his own decision in life.

That is only true, when you haven't accepted Islam.

There is no compulsion in religion, but when you EMBRACE ISLAM, you have to abide by its ethics.

There is no second guessing in religion.

And Allah knows best.

We quite clearly have differing views.

You think religion should be prevalent in all walks of life pervading the government and legislation and that people should abide by the rules of it. I have long held the view that religion should always be a private and personal matter and any country that fails to separate religion and its laws from the state is doomed to go into a negative spiral or stagnate. It can never prosper at the level of other countries that aren't constrained by the religious rules and norms because there will always be that religious baggage that will hinder the development of the society imo.

To each his own, let's just agree to disagree here.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

There are very few crimes that are punishable by death in Islam.

A married woman having sex with a man who is not her husband.

If a person kills another person, then the family has a right to either get blood money or KILL IN RETURN.

Beyond that, killing is not encouraged in Islam.

So when you say corrupt person should be killed, NO they shouldn't.

Point 1 wrong. This is No Islam.

https://youtu.be/GcwmbKgxhnA

 

[Ottoman]

who married her sister ?

I meant, she bore all the expenses of her marriage.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Point 1 wrong. This is No Islam.

https://youtu.be/GcwmbKgxhnA

'Ubada b. as-Samit reported that whenever Allah's Apostle (Peace be upon him) received revelation, he felt its rigour and the complexion of his face changed. One day revelation descended upon him, he felt the same rigour. When it was over and he felt relief, he said: Take from me. Verily Allah has ordained a way for them (the women who commit fornication),: (When) a married man (commits adultery) with a married woman, and an unmarried male with an unmarried woman, then in case of married (persons) there is (a punishment) of one hundred lashes and then stoning (to death). And in case of unmarried persons, (the punishment) is one hundred lashes and exile for one year.

Also in the Quran

Sura Nuur 24:2

The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.


Unless you take the video of your Ahmadi brethren More seriously than Sahih Muslim and Quran, you have no ground to stand on

 

[QazzarFan]

Ok I get Dr. Bassim's pov now. He has actually cunningly raised some intriguing questions.

"There is no compulsion in religion, but when you EMBRACE ISLAM, you have to abide by its ethics. There is no second guessing in religion." True.

From an Islamic POV, she was definitely a sinner & a "bad" influence. How does Islam define "bad?" and is Islam correct in these definitions.. That is the question.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

She was a bad element of the society.

Islam does not condone killings, but positive is, such elements will think twice before trying to pollute the minds of people.

Qandeel Baloch’s murder a lesson for others: Mufti Abdul Qavi

Mufti Abdul Qavi who got suspended from Ruet-e-Hilal Committee membership after selfies with Qandeel Baloch said the murder of the model is lesson for others.

Reacting on killing of Qandeel Baloch, he said no one should make mockery of ulema. However, he said he condemns murder of Qandeel and he had forgiven her from the core of his heart.

Link to the article:
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...-murder-a-lesson-for-others-mufti-abdul-qavi/

What a statement to make at this time!

We quite clearly have differing views.

You think religion should be prevalent in all walks of life pervading the government and legislation and that people should abide by the rules of it. I have long held the view that religion should always be a private and personal matter and any country that fails to separate religion and its laws from the state is doomed to go into a negative spiral or stagnate. It can never prosper at the level of other countries that aren't constrained by the religious rules and norms because there will always be that religious baggage that will hinder the development of the society imo.

To each his own, let's just agree to disagree here.

Number 1 : Currently there is No Islamic Government on Earth.

Number 2 : God Forbid if a Hindu committed adultery than under an Islamic government he would be given punishment as prescribed in his own religious book. So if there is no punishment for adultery in his religious text than he will be let go. He won't be tried under Islamic Law or Islamic Shariah.

Number 3 : In an Islamic Government there will be census after every 2 to 4 years where tge Atheists should enroll themselves in a column called (No faith). When they will commit adultery they will be let off since no laws of religion can infringe on their personal life or its code but

If they did a heinous crime like Rape than he is a criminal of the state and state law will take its course.


All this gives enough freedom to individuals to live their life the way they want.


If a Muslim wants to commit adultery and not get a 100 lashes punishment than He has to chose between Islam and being a non believer. If he wants to do adultery and not get 100 lashes punishment than he must quit islam. Against there is no Punishment for Apostasy in Islam. But if he choses to remain Muslim and also committ adultery than he has to be lashed 100 times as per verses of Surah e Noor of Holy Qur'an.

 

[MRSN]

There are very few crimes that are punishable by death in Islam.

A married woman having sex with a man who is not her husband.

If a person kills another person, then the family has a right to either get blood money or KILL IN RETURN.

Beyond that, killing is not encouraged in Islam.

So when you say corrupt person should be killed, NO they shouldn't.

We talk about Islam only when it suits our agenda. Either Islam should be implemented in full or it shouldn't be implemented at all. Enough of hypocrisies. Are you sure you haven't done any sins? I'm sure you must have done unIslamic things that deserve Islamic punishment? Your opinion would be sound if you and everyone esle in this country have lived whole life pure and pious and not indulge into UnIslmaic activities.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

'Ubada b. as-Samit reported that whenever Allah's Apostle (Peace be upon him) received revelation, he felt its rigour and the complexion of his face changed. One day revelation descended upon him, he felt the same rigour. When it was over and he felt relief, he said: Take from me. Verily Allah has ordained a way for them (the women who commit fornication),: (When) a married man (commits adultery) with a married woman, and an unmarried male with an unmarried woman, then in case of married (persons) there is (a punishment) of one hundred lashes and then stoning (to death). And in case of unmarried persons, (the punishment) is one hundred lashes and exile for one year.

Also in the Quran

Sura Nuur 24:2

The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.


Unless you take the video of your Ahmadi brethren More seriously than Sahih Muslim and Quran, you have no ground to stand on

Don't try to destroy the image of He Pbuh and Islam infront of others atleast. I beg you.

Quran e Majeed was revealed in 23 years time. Not in 1 day.

Until the verses of Surah e Noor were revealed upon He Pbuh he used to exercise Law's of Torah (Toraat) in these matters. But once Surah e Noor was revealed than the culprits were adjudged as per Islamic Law and not by Laws of Torah.

It is Torah's laws as per Torah which may not be in its real state even at times of He Pbuh so we cannot say exactly that It (stoning to death) Allah's choice.


Stonning to death is against Quran. And Hadith even Sahi Hadees which is contradictory to Quran will have 0/0 value and would be considered weak, unaithentic or false if its against Quranic principle because He Pbuh never ever went against Quranic Principles.


Quran is superior over all the Ahadees books even of Sahi Muslim and Sahi Bukhari.


Its insane to expect Prophet Muhammad Pbuh to give punishments to people with his own conscience (He was no God). He Pbuh followed Torah's laws on the matters which had not been revealed to him. But a Mullah won't understand that when was Surah e Noor revealed and the difference between time before Surah e Noor and after Surah e Noor.

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[street cricketer]

Number 1 : Currently there is No Islamic Government on Earth.

Number 2 : God Forbid if a Hindu committed adultery than under an Islamic government he would be given punishment as prescribed in his own religious book. So if there is no punishment for adultery in his religious text than he will be let go. He won't be tried under Islamic Law or Islamic Shariah.

Number 3 : In an Islamic Government there will be census after every 2 to 4 years where tge Atheists should enroll themselves in a column called (No faith). When they will commit adultery they will be let off since no laws of religion can infringe on their personal life or its code but

If they did a heinous crime like Rape than he is a criminal of the state and state law will take its course.


All this gives enough freedom to individuals to live their life the way they want.


If a Muslim wants to commit adultery and not get a 100 lashes punishment than He has to chose between Islam and being a non believer. If he wants to do adultery and not get 100 lashes punishment than he must quit islam. Against there is no Punishment for Apostasy in Islam. But if he choses to remain Muslim and also committ adultery than he has to be lashed 100 times as per verses of Surah e Noor of Holy Qur'an.

There probably isn't a government which is 100% abiding by religion, but there certainly are governments where many religious laws have been enshrined in the constitution. You probably aren't aware of those.

Btw I'm not only against islamic laws used in the state but against any religious laws (be it hindu or christian or jewish or buddhist), which is why I have been against the beef ban right from when it came to the forefront in news.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

There probably isn't a government which is 100% abiding by religion, but there certainly are governments where many religious laws have been enshrined in the constitution. You probably aren't aware of those.

Btw I'm not only against islamic laws used in the state but against any religious laws (be it hindu or christian or jewish or buddhist), which is why I have been against the beef ban right from when it came to the forefront in news.

Laws are laws, whether religious or governmental.

If you murder someone, you are liable to death penalty in many states, so is the same in Islam.

If you steal something, you are liable to go to jail. In Islam it is cutting off the hand of the person.

If you commit adultery, you are not liable in Western society. In Islam , however, you are punishable by 100 lashes.

So tell me, out of the 3 examples I have posted, why should governmental laws be preferred over religious laws, when forming the constitution?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

There probably isn't a government which is 100% abiding by religion, but there certainly are governments where many religious laws have been enshrined in the constitution. You probably aren't aware of those.

Btw I'm not only against islamic laws used in the state but against any religious laws (be it hindu or christian or jewish or buddhist), which is why I have been against the beef ban right from when it came to the forefront in news.

Quote me those Islamic Laws.

If you say Shariah is being enforced in Saudi Arabia than that is not Islamic Shariah.

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[leatherface58]

Killing her actually made her a saint. She got more publicity than she ever could alive.

If you think her murder will deter other girls from acting like her, then Doc I'm afraid you should observe people once in a while.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I apologize to everyone in this thread if I hurt them.

I condemn the murder.

The person should be hanged.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I apologize to everyone in this thread if I hurt them.

I condemn the murder.

The person should be hanged.

Thank You. JazaakAllah.

100 % Islamic reaction and statement finally.

May Allah bless you.

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[street cricketer]

Laws are laws, whether religious or governmental.

If you murder someone, you are liable to death penalty in many states, so is the same in Islam.

If you steal something, you are liable to go to jail. In Islam it is cutting off the hand of the person.

If you commit adultery, you are not liable in Western society. In Islam , however, you are punishable by 100 lashes.

So tell me, out of the 3 examples I have posted, why should governmental laws be preferred over religious laws, when forming the constitution?

Lile I said, it's a matter of opinion. I find some religious laws absolutely illogical, you consider them just. I cannot prove to you that the govt laws are just and the religious laws are excessive.

 

[street cricketer]

Quote me those Islamic Laws.

If you say Shariah is being enforced in Saudi Arabia than that is not Islamic Shariah.

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Don't you think the blasphemy laws are a bit daft?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Don't you think the blasphemy laws are a bit daft?

Islam has no place for any Blasphemy Law.

I am being pen_li_ed re_e_tedly so i cannot reply you with details to prove Islamic stance on it.

 

[endymion248]

'Ubada b. as-Samit reported that whenever Allah's Apostle (Peace be upon him) received revelation, he felt its rigour and the complexion of his face changed. One day revelation descended upon him, he felt the same rigour. When it was over and he felt relief, he said: Take from me. Verily Allah has ordained a way for them (the women who commit fornication),: (When) a married man (commits adultery) with a married woman, and an unmarried male with an unmarried woman, then in case of married (persons) there is (a punishment) of one hundred lashes and then stoning (to death). And in case of unmarried persons, (the punishment) is one hundred lashes and exile for one year.

Also in the Quran

Sura Nuur 24:2

The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.


Unless you take the video of your Ahmadi brethren More seriously than Sahih Muslim and Quran, you have no ground to stand on

What happens in the case of married man and unmarried woman?

 

[The_KING]

and you still proudly putting flag of terrible country next to ur name, please change the flag

People like you need to get over the blind love for your country. That's what the stupid concept of patriotism does to people. I do care about Pakistan as a country and want it to prosper but it's not a country, I'm proud to be from. The flag next to my name is to indicate the team that I support.

 

[niishaa]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/qandeel-baloch-brother-admits-murder-1.3682774


Brother of slain Pakistani model Qandeel Baloch confesses to her murder

Waseem Azeem says he found the social embarrassment unbearable for sister's 'shameful' pictures

The brother of slain Pakistani model Qandeel Baloch on Sunday confessed to strangling her to death for "family honour" because she posted "shameful" pictures on Facebook.

Baloch, who had become a social media celebrity in recent months, stirred controversy by posting pictures online taken with a prominent Muslim cleric. She was found dead on Saturday at her family home in the central city of Multan.

Pakistani social media star murdered in 'honour killing,' police say

Police arrested her brother, Waseem Azeem, and presented him before the media in Multan, where he confessed to killing her. He said people had taunted him over the photos and that he found the social embarrassment unbearable.

"I was determined either to kill myself or kill her," Azeem told The Associated Press as he was being led away.

He said that even though Baloch was the main breadwinner for the family, he slipped her sedatives the night before and then strangled her in her sleep.
Pakistan Model Killed

In this picture taken on June 28, 2016, Pakistani fashion model Qandeel Baloch speaks during a press conference in Lahore, Pakistan. (M. Jameel/Associated Press)

"Money matters, but family honour is more important," said Azeem.

Nearly 1,000 women are murdered in Pakistan each year for violating conservative norms on love and marriage. The so-called "honour killings" are often carried out by family members.

Such killings are considered murder. But Islamic law in Pakistan allows a murder victim's family to pardon the killer, which often allows those convicted of honour killings to escape punishment.

Regional police chief Sultan Taimuri said authorities will seek the maximum punishment for Azeem, without providing further details.

Baloch, whose real name was Fauzia Azeem, was buried Sunday.

She had shot to fame and notoriety through social media postings that would be considered tame by Western standards but were seen as scandalous by many in deeply conservative Pakistan.

A video of her dancing to a popular rap song was widely circulated, and at the time of her death she had 40,000 followers on Twitter and 700,000 on Facebook. In postings and public comments, she presented herself as a symbol of female empowerment.

She became embroiled in scandal earlier this month when she posted pictures taken with Mufti Abdul Qavi, a prShe became embroiled in scandal earlier this month when she posted pictures taken with Mufti Abdul Qavi, a prominent cleric, in a Karachi hotel room during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan. In one picture, she is wearing the cleric's trademark fur-lined hat.

Qavi maintained that he only met with her to discuss the teachings of Islam. But the government suspended Qavi and removed him from the official moon-sighting committee that determines when Ramadan starts and ends in accordance with the Islamic lunar calendar.

 

[msb314]

This is so sad!

Our conversative society is just not tolerant for people like Qandeel - so sad it had to come down to murder.

RIP!

 

[big_gamer007]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/qandeel-baloch-brother-admits-murder-1.3682774


Brother of slain Pakistani model Qandeel Baloch confesses to her murder

Waseem Azeem says he found the social embarrassment unbearable for sister's 'shameful' pictures

The brother of slain Pakistani model Qandeel Baloch on Sunday confessed to strangling her to death for "family honour" because she posted "shameful" pictures on Facebook.

Baloch, who had become a social media celebrity in recent months, stirred controversy by posting pictures online taken with a prominent Muslim cleric. She was found dead on Saturday at her family home in the central city of Multan.

Pakistani social media star murdered in 'honour killing,' police say

Police arrested her brother, Waseem Azeem, and presented him before the media in Multan, where he confessed to killing her. He said people had taunted him over the photos and that he found the social embarrassment unbearable.

"I was determined either to kill myself or kill her," Azeem told The Associated Press as he was being led away.

He said that even though Baloch was the main breadwinner for the family, he slipped her sedatives the night before and then strangled her in her sleep.
Pakistan Model Killed

In this picture taken on June 28, 2016, Pakistani fashion model Qandeel Baloch speaks during a press conference in Lahore, Pakistan. (M. Jameel/Associated Press)

"Money matters, but family honour is more important," said Azeem.

Nearly 1,000 women are murdered in Pakistan each year for violating conservative norms on love and marriage. The so-called "honour killings" are often carried out by family members.

Such killings are considered murder. But Islamic law in Pakistan allows a murder victim's family to pardon the killer, which often allows those convicted of honour killings to escape punishment.

Regional police chief Sultan Taimuri said authorities will seek the maximum punishment for Azeem, without providing further details.

Baloch, whose real name was Fauzia Azeem, was buried Sunday.

She had shot to fame and notoriety through social media postings that would be considered tame by Western standards but were seen as scandalous by many in deeply conservative Pakistan.

A video of her dancing to a popular rap song was widely circulated, and at the time of her death she had 40,000 followers on Twitter and 700,000 on Facebook. In postings and public comments, she presented herself as a symbol of female empowerment.

She became embroiled in scandal earlier this month when she posted pictures taken with Mufti Abdul Qavi, a prShe became embroiled in scandal earlier this month when she posted pictures taken with Mufti Abdul Qavi, a prominent cleric, in a Karachi hotel room during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan. In one picture, she is wearing the cleric's trademark fur-lined hat.

Qavi maintained that he only met with her to discuss the teachings of Islam. But the government suspended Qavi and removed him from the official moon-sighting committee that determines when Ramadan starts and ends in accordance with the Islamic lunar calendar.

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Yea the girl was bringing disrepute to their family honor by posting some pictures on some social media sites and this guy brought so much repute and honor to his family by killing her.. Nice mindset totally justifiable..

 

[Vorador]

My 2 cents on the debate about religious laws and the issue of morality:

While I agree that morality is subjective, this doesn't imply that it's arbitrary. We can choose to be reasonable about it. There's nothing stopping us from that

. Disagreement on moral issues is not just a matter of opinion; in many cases, some particular ethic can be rationally shown to be better than others. It is possible to build a rational system of ethics, if a few moral premises so fundamental they would have to be accepted by any sane person, are agreed upon as its foundational principles. From there on, it would only be a matter of logically consistent deductions. The harm principle is a good place to start from. Also, the false dichotomy of an action being either good or bad must be done away with, when you realize that the majority of things we do in our lives are morally neutral. Like watching Cricket and clipping nails.

Or posting selfies on fb. If you think that is an action as objectionable as a mindless extrajudicial killing, you must be dead in both heart and mind.

 

[Stewie]

we havea habit of making martyrs and heroes out of immoral and objectionable people after they die.

a death is always a sad loss, but its sadder if you turn the grave of a lutera, thief or someone with questionable character into a mizar and start singing praises of that person's accomplishments if he/she did not have any.

My condolences to the deceased's family. Thats all you are going to get from me.

 

[enkidu_]

Very sad.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

we havea habit of making martyrs and heroes out of immoral and objectionable people after they die.

a death is always a sad loss, but its sadder if you turn the grave of a lutera, thief or someone with questionable character into a mizar and start singing praises of that person's accomplishments if he/she did not have any.

My condolences to the deceased's family. Thats all you are going to get from me.

Succinct.

 

[confused_amoeba]

Sad news..

No one has the right to take any one's life no matter what they may think of that person's character or moral behavior. As the verse in Quran says "killing one person is like killing all of humanity".

Even though Pakistan's ranks amongst the highest in countries where pornography is viewed the most, our "ghairat" becomes hyper inflated when it comes to female members of our family and society. Her being from a poor and underprivileged family didn't help matters. Her main crime was that she was trying to financially help her poor family and went to visit her ill father. If she would have disconnected herself from her family and stayed in her bubble no matter how fake and superficial it may be, she would have probably been still alive.

Honor killings, acid attacks, forced conversions, naked parades etc. etc. women are treated worse than dogs in our society and nothing happens. Its one thing being a patriarchal society, another being a society totally hostile to women. Sadly, this trend is worsening and the pseudo-modernism in the form of freedom of media and availability of social media to common people is having an adverse effect on our society rather than better.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Mubashar Luqman took good advantage of her and used her for TRP. Knowing very well the things she said could bring trouble. I know she was famous from Facebook and twitter, but no need to bring her to tv for TRP. Hope he feels bad.

 

[Junaids]

I really struggle with [MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION] in this thread.

I acknowledge and salute his comments about killing being wrong. But it is impossible for me to accept his comments about displays of sexuality.

The Christian and Jewish religions contain similar archaic and obsolete scriptures about morality which we accept as being historical documents which had an ancient context in a primitive society, and we therefore disregard them and disregard them absolutely, and 99% of us view born-again Christians and ultra-Orthodox Jews as dangerous zealots. We almost all consider them to be weird and scary.

It is a real problem if your religion chooses in its mainstream form to take similar ancient scriptures literally in the modern age.

Until the Qandeel Baloch murder I viewed the likes of the Kardashians as brain dead bling-infested bimbos. I now understand that whether it's in the east or west these people are actually playing a very important role in challenging their societies to decide whether they are primitive societies with medieval morality or just, modern societies.

 

[Waseem]

It's actually a really tough one, i don't think killing is justified in any circumstances but at the same time it's not easy situation to be in for the family either especially in our conservative society. How would any of you deal with this if it happened to you? I mean your sister doing every bit just to stay in the news, stripping on camera, uploading vulgar videos on social media, getting involved in controversies for fun? It's not that she was just an actor doing her job (which at times may require bold scenes), she was deliberately going down to any level for cheap publicity.

As i said, NOTHING justifies the murder but it was extremely tough situation to be in for the family. It was something she could have easily avoided, it's unfortunate loss of life.

 

[confused_amoeba]

It's actually a really tough one, i don't think killing is justified in any circumstances but at the same time it's not easy situation to be in for the family either especially in our conservative society. How would any of you deal with this if it happened to you? I mean your sister doing every bit just to stay in the news, stripping on camera, uploading vulgar videos on social media, getting involved in controversies for fun? It's not that she was just an actor doing her job (which at times may require bold scenes), she was deliberately going down to any level for cheap publicity.

As i said, NOTHING justifies the murder but it was extremely tough situation to be in for the family. It was something she could have easily avoided, it's unfortunate loss of life.

If Qandeel Baloch was my daughter or sister, I would have disowned her and would have nothing to do with her. It was her life and she had the right to do whatever she wanted, no matter how vulgar or crass it may be.

I do not know all the details but reading some of the stuff published, it seems like she was the bread earner for her family. Helping her sister with dowry for her marriage and giving money to her parents. Now if her parents did not have any problem taking money from her than who are we to pass judgments about her.

She was married at an early age, she was in an abusive relationship. She ran away from her husband and ended up in a Darul Aman. For women in her situation in Pakistan, what would have come of her life after that. Either marrying some other abusive man or live off people's charity or work as a house maid etc. She actually got herself educated. She took a path which some women in our society unfortunately have to take to survive and able to provide for themselves and their family. And for that, the moral brigade can criticize her all they want cause of course they never had to go through anything like that in their privileged protected lives but please, stop justifying her murder, which is what you are doing in an indirect way.

 

[Waseem]

If Qandeel Baloch was my daughter or sister, I would have disowned her and would have nothing to do with her. It was her life and she had the right to do whatever she wanted, no matter how vulgar or crass it may be.

I do not know all the details but reading some of the stuff published, it seems like she was the bread earner for her family. Helping her sister with dowry for her marriage and giving money to her parents. Now if her parents did not have any problem taking money from her than who are we to pass judgments about her.

She was married at an early age, she was in an abusive relationship. She ran away from her husband and ended up in a Darul Aman. For women in her situation in Pakistan, what would have come of her life after that. Either marrying some other abusive man or live off people's charity or work as a house maid etc. She actually got herself educated. She took a path which some women in our society unfortunately have to take to survive and able to provide for themselves and their family. And for that, the moral brigade can criticize her all they want cause of course they never had to go through anything like that in their privileged protected lives but please, stop justifying her murder, which is what you are doing in an indirect way.

Justifying her murder? Really? Personally i would have never murdered my family member for ANYTHING and would have disowned as you said as well. Now there is MASSIVE difference between you (or me) and someone living in Pakistan where there is massive interference in your lives by not only family members but your entire neighbourhood. You can act like "i don't give a damn" about people and all that but PRACTICALLY it's almost impossible to ignore. Off course killing her solves absolutely NOTHING and their so called ghairat is not restored either as they will live with this guilt forever.

 

[confused_amoeba]

Justifying her murder? Really? Personally i would have never murdered my family member for ANYTHING and would have disowned as you said as well. Now there is MASSIVE difference between you (or me) and someone living in Pakistan where there is massive interference in your lives by not only family members but your entire neighbourhood. You can act like "i don't give a damn" about people and all that but PRACTICALLY it's almost impossible to ignore. Off course killing her solves absolutely NOTHING and their so called ghairat is not restored either as they will live with this guilt forever.

You seem to be suggesting that you would have disowned too but social pressures in Pakistan demand more. Curious to know if is there a middle ground between disowning and killing someone...

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Sad news..

No one has the right to take any one's life no matter what they may think of that person's character or moral behavior. As the verse in Quran says "killing one person is like killing all of humanity".

Even though Pakistan's ranks amongst the highest in countries where pornography is viewed the most, our "ghairat" becomes hyper inflated when it comes to female members of our family and society. Her being from a poor and underprivileged family didn't help matters. Her main crime was that she was trying to financially help her poor family and went to visit her ill father. If she would have disconnected herself from her family and stayed in her bubble no matter how fake and superficial it may be, she would have probably been still alive.

Honor killings, acid attacks, forced conversions, naked parades etc. etc. women are treated worse than dogs in our society and nothing happens. Its one thing being a patriarchal society, another being a society totally hostile to women. Sadly, this trend is worsening and the pseudo-modernism in the form of freedom of media and availability of social media to common people is having an adverse effect on our society rather than better.

Very well written from theological aswell as human eye.

Agree with you 100 %

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[TalentSpotterPk]

It's actually a really tough one, i don't think killing is justified in any circumstances but at the same time it's not easy situation to be in for the family either especially in our conservative society. How would any of you deal with this if it happened to you? I mean your sister doing every bit just to stay in the news, stripping on camera, uploading vulgar videos on social media, getting involved in controversies for fun? It's not that she was just an actor doing her job (which at times may require bold scenes), she was deliberately going down to any level for cheap publicity.

As i said, NOTHING justifies the murder but it was extremely tough situation to be in for the family. It was something she could have easily avoided, it's unfortunate loss of life.

Waseem Bhaee whatever she was doing is not defendable nor preachable nor allowed but read her last interview with IMAGES. What Prompted Fauzia Azeem to become Qandeel Baloch ? What happened between the age of 17 & 26 which resulted in this transformation ? For which the biggest role was played by


1. Her Family

Their decisions, their point of views and their nil support


2. His ex Husband who in western systems would have been in jail for treating her domestic wife that way.


3. Her Relatives , Her Baradarri and the Pakistani Society.



Why She became somebody who she was never ? And what made her become a Baaghee who did Baghawatt breaking quite a few social aswell as religious boundaries.


Dawn news did the interview few days back and you can find it in one of their latest news items about her.

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[big_gamer007]

My Last two cents for all the people justifying her death,

How will you feel when tomorrow female member of your family goes out to market wearing normal clothes and NOT a BURQA and a lunatic kills them because his interpretation of Modesty is that Women needs to wear Burqa?

It's easy for you guys to blame her but remember "Karma is a *****" god forbid it might come and bite you in the rear.. Unless you change your own mindset don't be surprised when tomorrow Talibani type people start killing or cutting Women's hand/throwing Acids on their faces for not wearing Burqa... And then unfortunately for you guys you all would be helpless because those kind of people would actually have support like this guy has from people like you..

 

[LongHorn]

My Last two cents for all the people justifying her death,

How will you feel when tomorrow female member of your family goes out to market wearing normal clothes and NOT a BURQA and a lunatic kills them because his interpretation of Modesty is that Women needs to wear Burqa?

It's easy for you guys to blame her but remember "Karma is a *****" god forbid it might come and bite you in the rear.. Unless you change your own mindset don't be surprised when tomorrow Talibani type people start killing or cutting Women's hand/throwing Acids on their faces for not wearing Burqa... And then unfortunately for you guys you all would be helpless because those kind of people would actually have support like this guy has from people like you..

People wont think that way because their own interpretation of Islam is what they consider the correct one...

The "she had it coming because she was acting against Islam" is such a slippery slope but people do not care...

 

[sshakir411]

What a sick and disgusting time to live in. Shameful that people think her being killed was okay because she was a bad example to society. It really does seem that Pakistani life has no value. Regardless of who she was and what she did, no one has the authority to take anyone's life.

Reading the comments of my fellow country men who are supposedly doctors and staunch believers of Islam are the exact reason why this country is where it is today. No sympathy for the loss of their fellow citizens but rather a..."she had it coming". I suggest they rid themselves of the education they have because currently it is not making any difference in their life...

 

[big_gamer007]

People wont think that way because their own interpretation of Islam is what they consider the correct one...

The "she had it coming because she was acting against Islam" is such a slippery slope but people do not care...

Yea and their interpretation is hardcore and if someone more hardcore than them interprets it like that and start killing women who go out of their home with Hijaab then the same people will cry over it...

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

[MENTION=135]Waseem[/MENTION] [MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION]


Interview with Images: 'My boldness is my revenge'
Images: Can you tell us how your marriage took place? What happened?

Qandeel Baloch: I didn’t run away from home. I’ve been dealing with the problem all day, telling everyone, attending their calls, telling the media. Media is not supporting me. They’re saying that I want to marry Imran Khan but I’m already married. This is wrong. What about my self-worth? My identity? I am a social media sensation, I am a fashion icon. I don’t know HOW many girls have felt support through my persona. I’m a girl power. So many girls tell me I’m a girl power, and yes, I am.

I was 17 years old when my parents forced an uneducated man on me. The abuse I have been through… It happens in places like this, in small villages, in Baloch families. This happened to me too.

"I never accepted him as my husband in my heart or mind," says Qandeel of her husband.

I said, ‘No, I don’t want to spend my life this way’. I was not made for this. It was my wish since I was a child to become something, to be able to stand on my own two feet, to do something for myself.

But then they married me off when I was 17, 18. I was not happy and never accepted him as my husband. What do you think will happen in a forced marriage? With an uneducated man, an animal. What would I say, that I am already married? Why would I say it?

I never accepted him as my husband in my heart or mind. How I spent a year and a half with him, only I know. And I only did it because of the child. Otherwise I wouldn’t have spent even one month with him.

Images: Why do you call him an animal?

Qandeel: He is. The kind of torture he has inflicted on me, you can’t even imagine. Why? Because I was cute, I was young. He was older than me. He didn’t trust me. I don’t know why. I couldn’t connect with him on an intellectual level. Our ideas were very different.

Then I had a child, so I sacrificed. I spent a year and a half with him. After the child, I told him I want to study. I want to complete my education, I want to get a job, I want to stand on my own two feet. But he never agreed.

My family never supported me. I would say I don’t want to live with him, but they didn’t support me. That man tried to throw acid on me. He said ‘I’ll burn your face because you’re so beautiful’. And today the media isn’t giving me any credit for speaking about empowerment of women, girl power.

They don’t recognise that this girl fought. Today I am capable of taking on the burden of an entire household. But no one gives me credit for that.

Images: Can you tell us a little bit more about your journey? Last time we spoke, you said you were around 17-18 when your parents let you do TV serials on PTV.

Qandeel: I was 17-18 when I got married. When I was 19 years old… I had a child within one year. Then there were fights, arguments, being violent with me. Then when my family didn’t support me, I ran away and found support in Darul Aman. That was my right.

I didn’t know what I would do ahead. It was in Multan. The child was with me. I had kept him with me because he was really young. He fell ill in Darul Aman. He was so sick, everyone told me that I should give him back to his father, that if anything happened to him, God forbid, they would do a case on me. I had to give my son back to them.

After that, I was discharged from there. I thought now I am capable of doing this on my own. I did a job, I completed my Matric and my Bachelors. I did a marketing job, I worked as a bus hostess, I did a lot of jobs, I struggled a lot. I got out from there. The first thing I did when I got out of Darul Aman was my Matric. Then I did my Bachelors privately, I kept doing it. I did quite few jobs, in Daewoo, in Lever Brothers. Quite a few jobs. Then after a while, I started working in showbiz.

Images: When did you start working in showbiz?

Qandeel: It was about 2012, 2013. I started from zero. Small fashion shows, small photoshoots. I’ve seen a lot. I’ve seen a lot of things up close. I married my sister off, I gave jahez (dowry) for her wedding, I tried to keep relations going with my family, I bought a house for them in Multan. My parents are settled in Multan, my house is there.

Now today all of this is happening, people are filing cases against me. Now he’s standing up and saying I’m his wife. Where was he before?

Images: Are you divorced?

Qandeel: Yes, I got divorced.

Images: But it wasn’t a written divorce?

Qandeel: Talaaq ho gayi thi, khula ho gaya tha.

Images: So if you’re divorced, why is he only surfacing now?

Qandeel: I don’t know. I can’t understand.

Images: Has he been in touch with you?

Qandeel: No, we haven’t had any contact.

Images: Would you like to talk about your child?

Qandeel: What should I say about my child? It’s his child. His son.

Images: How do you feel about him [your child]?

Qandeel: I tried a lot to keep him close to me. But they didn’t let me speak to him. I thought when my child is older, he’ll understand, he’ll see the environment there and feel that his mother was right, that she did what was right.

Images: Given your upbringing, how did you reach where you are today? You say that you’ve done really bold stuff. How did this happen?

Qandeel: I’ve fought with everyone . And now I have become so headstrong that I only do what I want. I started working in showbiz, I faced so many difficulties, you know what happens with girls here. You know what kinds of offers they make girls here. You know how they try to misuse girls who are new to the industry.

You could say that this is my revenge [from this country]. I don’t do these things happily.

Images: What do you mean what you do is an act of revenge?

Qandeel: Nothing is good in this society. This mardon ki society (patriarchal society) is bad. You probably know this already, think about the problems you face yourself.

Being a girl, think yourself, how difficult it is to move around as a woman in this society. How many men do you encounter who bother you? The same way, I have struggled through difficulties to make a place for myself in showbiz. It was very difficult. What kind of problems I have faced, I don’t think anyone can understand.

I want to give my followers a positive message, I want to give those girls a positive message who have been forcefully married, who continue to sacrifice. I want to be an example for those people. That’s my aim.


http://www.dawn.com/news/1271391/strangled-qandeel-after-drugging-her-brother-confesses




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[Ottoman]

[MENTION=101410]LongHorn[/MENTION]

People wont think that way because their own interpretation of Islam is what they consider the correct one... The "she had it coming because she was acting against Islam" is such a slippery slope but people do not care... - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...Multan-quot-police/page4#sthash.rjdQEwyY.dpuf

Yea and their interpretation is hardcore and if someone more hardcore than them interprets it like that and start killing women who go out of their home with Hijaab then the same people will cry over it...

So you both are saying, these things never happened in Bangladesh or India.

Its a more of cultural thing then religious.

My friend, '1st look in your own backyard'

 

[big_gamer007]

[MENTION=101410]LongHorn[/MENTION]




So you both are saying, these things never happened in Bangladesh or India.

Its a more of cultural thing then religious.

My friend, '1st look in your own backyard'

Why do you bring India into this? It happens in India and if someone justifies the same in India I would argue with the same sense and Gutso probably more as I am doing here to talk sense..

This is the problem with you guys rather than accepting something wrong and condemning it unequivocally you are bringing argument to a point of "It happens in India/BD"?? This is the exact same things which politicians do, for every bad thing to happen during their time their standard response is : "In previous governments time worse thing happen"..

So how are you different from them??

 

[Ottoman]

Why do you bring India into this? It happens in India and if someone justifies the same in India I would argue with the same sense and Gutso probably more as I am doing here to talk sense..

This is the problem with you guys rather than accepting something wrong and condemning it unequivocally you are bringing argument to a point of "It happens in India/BD"?? This is the exact same things which politicians do, for every bad thing to happen during their time their standard response is : "In previous governments time worse thing happen"..

So how are you different from them??

Bro, if this happens in India, then don't bring Islam in it.

& my dear problem is with you guys who brings Islam in everything.

And as for, we are not accepting it, we say wrong is wrong.

I have moding this thread from start and only 3-4 guys have said anything against it and 1 of those even conceded it in the end.

Don't generalise everything.

 

[big_gamer007]

Bro, if this happens in India, then don't bring Islam in it.

& my dear problem is with you guys who brings Islam in everything.

And as for, we are not accepting it, we say wrong is wrong.

I have moding this thread from start and only 3-4 guys have said anything against it and 1 of those even conceded it in the end.

Don't generalise everything.

Ofcourse I am not generalizing it bro.. The only reason I brought Islam into it was because some of the posters was quoting from Holy Quran to give arguments and labelled the girl evil and what not.. Again its not about religion but it is actually about people who use religion as a tool to justify wrong doings..

I hope I made my point clear, didn't think I was bringing religion into it but since you thought so I wanted to clarify where I am coming from..

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Oh My God.

What have India & Bangladesh got to do with thread.


Very very strange.


I hope now somebody doesn't stand up with a Israeli Card.


# YaAllhahhhhhh Madadd

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[Muhammad10]

Oh My God.

What have India & Bangladesh got to do with thread.


Very very strange.


I hope now somebody doesn't stand up with a Israeli Card.


# YaAllhahhhhhh Madadd

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Kindly refer to post #295.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Kindly refer to post #295.

Thanks i have seen that already even before posting my last post.

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[TalentSpotterPk]

Qandeel Baloch's father exclusive talk.

https://youtu.be/QJNBiSoi4GA


Somebody please translate the part of his talk which is probably in Saraiki language.

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[TalentSpotterPk]

Qandeel's mother Astonishing revelations as per Geo News

http://dai.ly/x4ko1u9

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[niishaa]

[MENTION=135]Waseem[/MENTION] [MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION]


Interview with Images: 'My boldness is my revenge'
Images: Can you tell us how your marriage took place? What happened?

Qandeel Baloch: I didn’t run away from home. I’ve been dealing with the problem all day, telling everyone, attending their calls, telling the media. Media is not supporting me. They’re saying that I want to marry Imran Khan but I’m already married. This is wrong. What about my self-worth? My identity? I am a social media sensation, I am a fashion icon. I don’t know HOW many girls have felt support through my persona. I’m a girl power. So many girls tell me I’m a girl power, and yes, I am.

I was 17 years old when my parents forced an uneducated man on me. The abuse I have been through… It happens in places like this, in small villages, in Baloch families. This happened to me too.

"I never accepted him as my husband in my heart or mind," says Qandeel of her husband.

I said, ‘No, I don’t want to spend my life this way’. I was not made for this. It was my wish since I was a child to become something, to be able to stand on my own two feet, to do something for myself.

But then they married me off when I was 17, 18. I was not happy and never accepted him as my husband. What do you think will happen in a forced marriage? With an uneducated man, an animal. What would I say, that I am already married? Why would I say it?

I never accepted him as my husband in my heart or mind. How I spent a year and a half with him, only I know. And I only did it because of the child. Otherwise I wouldn’t have spent even one month with him.

Images: Why do you call him an animal?

Qandeel: He is. The kind of torture he has inflicted on me, you can’t even imagine. Why? Because I was cute, I was young. He was older than me. He didn’t trust me. I don’t know why. I couldn’t connect with him on an intellectual level. Our ideas were very different.

Then I had a child, so I sacrificed. I spent a year and a half with him. After the child, I told him I want to study. I want to complete my education, I want to get a job, I want to stand on my own two feet. But he never agreed.

My family never supported me. I would say I don’t want to live with him, but they didn’t support me. That man tried to throw acid on me. He said ‘I’ll burn your face because you’re so beautiful’. And today the media isn’t giving me any credit for speaking about empowerment of women, girl power.

They don’t recognise that this girl fought. Today I am capable of taking on the burden of an entire household. But no one gives me credit for that.

Images: Can you tell us a little bit more about your journey? Last time we spoke, you said you were around 17-18 when your parents let you do TV serials on PTV.

Qandeel: I was 17-18 when I got married. When I was 19 years old… I had a child within one year. Then there were fights, arguments, being violent with me. Then when my family didn’t support me, I ran away and found support in Darul Aman. That was my right.

I didn’t know what I would do ahead. It was in Multan. The child was with me. I had kept him with me because he was really young. He fell ill in Darul Aman. He was so sick, everyone told me that I should give him back to his father, that if anything happened to him, God forbid, they would do a case on me. I had to give my son back to them.

After that, I was discharged from there. I thought now I am capable of doing this on my own. I did a job, I completed my Matric and my Bachelors. I did a marketing job, I worked as a bus hostess, I did a lot of jobs, I struggled a lot. I got out from there. The first thing I did when I got out of Darul Aman was my Matric. Then I did my Bachelors privately, I kept doing it. I did quite few jobs, in Daewoo, in Lever Brothers. Quite a few jobs. Then after a while, I started working in showbiz.

Images: When did you start working in showbiz?

Qandeel: It was about 2012, 2013. I started from zero. Small fashion shows, small photoshoots. I’ve seen a lot. I’ve seen a lot of things up close. I married my sister off, I gave jahez (dowry) for her wedding, I tried to keep relations going with my family, I bought a house for them in Multan. My parents are settled in Multan, my house is there.

Now today all of this is happening, people are filing cases against me. Now he’s standing up and saying I’m his wife. Where was he before?

Images: Are you divorced?

Qandeel: Yes, I got divorced.

Images: But it wasn’t a written divorce?

Qandeel: Talaaq ho gayi thi, khula ho gaya tha.

Images: So if you’re divorced, why is he only surfacing now?

Qandeel: I don’t know. I can’t understand.

Images: Has he been in touch with you?

Qandeel: No, we haven’t had any contact.

Images: Would you like to talk about your child?

Qandeel: What should I say about my child? It’s his child. His son.

Images: How do you feel about him [your child]?

Qandeel: I tried a lot to keep him close to me. But they didn’t let me speak to him. I thought when my child is older, he’ll understand, he’ll see the environment there and feel that his mother was right, that she did what was right.

Images: Given your upbringing, how did you reach where you are today? You say that you’ve done really bold stuff. How did this happen?

Qandeel: I’ve fought with everyone . And now I have become so headstrong that I only do what I want. I started working in showbiz, I faced so many difficulties, you know what happens with girls here. You know what kinds of offers they make girls here. You know how they try to misuse girls who are new to the industry.

You could say that this is my revenge [from this country]. I don’t do these things happily.

Images: What do you mean what you do is an act of revenge?

Qandeel: Nothing is good in this society. This mardon ki society (patriarchal society) is bad. You probably know this already, think about the problems you face yourself.

Being a girl, think yourself, how difficult it is to move around as a woman in this society. How many men do you encounter who bother you? The same way, I have struggled through difficulties to make a place for myself in showbiz. It was very difficult. What kind of problems I have faced, I don’t think anyone can understand.

I want to give my followers a positive message, I want to give those girls a positive message who have been forcefully married, who continue to sacrifice. I want to be an example for those people. That’s my aim.


http://www.dawn.com/news/1271391/strangled-qandeel-after-drugging-her-brother-confesses




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She surely is not a kim kardashian. She has suffered much in her young life. She did'nt deserve to die.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

She surely is not a kim kardashian. She has suffered much in her young life. She did'nt deserve to die.

I am not sure whether you know Hindi or not. Probably you do. So this is Dr-Shahid Masood's response in Urdu.

https://youtu.be/xWOywQwXYkk

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[TalentSpotterPk]

My Brothers want to Kill Me : Qandeel Baloch


Qandeel Baloch's online interview with Faisal Qureshi 2 days before her Murder where he told about this threat just when she was planning to do some positive work after gaining fame through negative things.

http://dai.ly/x4kmjk2


@nisha


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[Saeed]

[MENTION=135]Waseem[/MENTION] [MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION]


Interview with Images: 'My boldness is my revenge'
Images: Can you tell us how your marriage took place? What happened?

Qandeel Baloch: I didn’t run away from home. I’ve been dealing with the problem all day, telling everyone, attending their calls, telling the media. Media is not supporting me. They’re saying that I want to marry Imran Khan but I’m already married. This is wrong. What about my self-worth? My identity? I am a social media sensation, I am a fashion icon. I don’t know HOW many girls have felt support through my persona. I’m a girl power. So many girls tell me I’m a girl power, and yes, I am.

I was 17 years old when my parents forced an uneducated man on me. The abuse I have been through… It happens in places like this, in small villages, in Baloch families. This happened to me too.

"I never accepted him as my husband in my heart or mind," says Qandeel of her husband.

I said, ‘No, I don’t want to spend my life this way’. I was not made for this. It was my wish since I was a child to become something, to be able to stand on my own two feet, to do something for myself.

But then they married me off when I was 17, 18. I was not happy and never accepted him as my husband. What do you think will happen in a forced marriage? With an uneducated man, an animal. What would I say, that I am already married? Why would I say it?

I never accepted him as my husband in my heart or mind. How I spent a year and a half with him, only I know. And I only did it because of the child. Otherwise I wouldn’t have spent even one month with him.

Images: Why do you call him an animal?

Qandeel: He is. The kind of torture he has inflicted on me, you can’t even imagine. Why? Because I was cute, I was young. He was older than me. He didn’t trust me. I don’t know why. I couldn’t connect with him on an intellectual level. Our ideas were very different.

Then I had a child, so I sacrificed. I spent a year and a half with him. After the child, I told him I want to study. I want to complete my education, I want to get a job, I want to stand on my own two feet. But he never agreed.

My family never supported me. I would say I don’t want to live with him, but they didn’t support me. That man tried to throw acid on me. He said ‘I’ll burn your face because you’re so beautiful’. And today the media isn’t giving me any credit for speaking about empowerment of women, girl power.

They don’t recognise that this girl fought. Today I am capable of taking on the burden of an entire household. But no one gives me credit for that.

Images: Can you tell us a little bit more about your journey? Last time we spoke, you said you were around 17-18 when your parents let you do TV serials on PTV.

Qandeel: I was 17-18 when I got married. When I was 19 years old… I had a child within one year. Then there were fights, arguments, being violent with me. Then when my family didn’t support me, I ran away and found support in Darul Aman. That was my right.

I didn’t know what I would do ahead. It was in Multan. The child was with me. I had kept him with me because he was really young. He fell ill in Darul Aman. He was so sick, everyone told me that I should give him back to his father, that if anything happened to him, God forbid, they would do a case on me. I had to give my son back to them.

After that, I was discharged from there. I thought now I am capable of doing this on my own. I did a job, I completed my Matric and my Bachelors. I did a marketing job, I worked as a bus hostess, I did a lot of jobs, I struggled a lot. I got out from there. The first thing I did when I got out of Darul Aman was my Matric. Then I did my Bachelors privately, I kept doing it. I did quite few jobs, in Daewoo, in Lever Brothers. Quite a few jobs. Then after a while, I started working in showbiz.

Images: When did you start working in showbiz?

Qandeel: It was about 2012, 2013. I started from zero. Small fashion shows, small photoshoots. I’ve seen a lot. I’ve seen a lot of things up close. I married my sister off, I gave jahez (dowry) for her wedding, I tried to keep relations going with my family, I bought a house for them in Multan. My parents are settled in Multan, my house is there.

Now today all of this is happening, people are filing cases against me. Now he’s standing up and saying I’m his wife. Where was he before?

Images: Are you divorced?

Qandeel: Yes, I got divorced.

Images: But it wasn’t a written divorce?

Qandeel: Talaaq ho gayi thi, khula ho gaya tha.

Images: So if you’re divorced, why is he only surfacing now?

Qandeel: I don’t know. I can’t understand.

Images: Has he been in touch with you?

Qandeel: No, we haven’t had any contact.

Images: Would you like to talk about your child?

Qandeel: What should I say about my child? It’s his child. His son.

Images: How do you feel about him [your child]?

Qandeel: I tried a lot to keep him close to me. But they didn’t let me speak to him. I thought when my child is older, he’ll understand, he’ll see the environment there and feel that his mother was right, that she did what was right.

Images: Given your upbringing, how did you reach where you are today? You say that you’ve done really bold stuff. How did this happen?

Qandeel: I’ve fought with everyone . And now I have become so headstrong that I only do what I want. I started working in showbiz, I faced so many difficulties, you know what happens with girls here. You know what kinds of offers they make girls here. You know how they try to misuse girls who are new to the industry.

You could say that this is my revenge [from this country]. I don’t do these things happily.

Images: What do you mean what you do is an act of revenge?

Qandeel: Nothing is good in this society. This mardon ki society (patriarchal society) is bad. You probably know this already, think about the problems you face yourself.

Being a girl, think yourself, how difficult it is to move around as a woman in this society. How many men do you encounter who bother you? The same way, I have struggled through difficulties to make a place for myself in showbiz. It was very difficult. What kind of problems I have faced, I don’t think anyone can understand.

I want to give my followers a positive message, I want to give those girls a positive message who have been forcefully married, who continue to sacrifice. I want to be an example for those people. That’s my aim.


http://www.dawn.com/news/1271391/strangled-qandeel-after-drugging-her-brother-confesses




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This is so sad. If this is how people are people in cities like Multan imagine how people in rural areas of Pakistan think. Nawaz recently promised to do something about women rights buts it's all talk. Something needs to be done to change the mentality of while society. Arresting culprits is not enough.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

This is so sad. If this is how people are people in cities like Multan imagine how people in rural areas of Pakistan think. Nawaz recently promised to do something about women rights buts it's all talk. Something needs to be done to change the mentality of while society. Arresting culprits is not enough.

You are right. Qandeel said that there are many areas in pakistan where if a man does not beat his Wife than He is called Begherat by his relatives and friends.

This is so so tragic.


Recently i read an article which said this :

“ The most ‘Muslim country’ in the world is likely America, because America guarantees freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of expression and freedom of thought—all hallmarks of Shariah Law. Those nations that oppress in the name of Shariah are as justified in their claims, as the slave owners who claimed their right to slavery was based on the Bible.”


Though it is sad but it is reality which cannot be denied.

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[LongHorn]

Yea and their interpretation is hardcore and if someone more hardcore than them interprets it like that and start killing women who go out of their home with Hijaab then the same people will cry over it...

Of course they will because they are hypocrites.

 

[Nunna]

Except I am not judging them by my own rules. I am following the rules enjoined by Allah and Holy Prophet. I can understand why from a non-Muslim point of view, you might consider EVERYTHING OKAY.

But once she is in the realm of Islam, she has to abide by the code of conduct.

If she doesn't ,then at least her act should be considered at the minimum BAD.

Of course, people shouldn't kill her for it, and what happened was a tragedy.

Regarding the second bolded part.

Do you know what is the punishment in Islam for stealing from someone ? It is cutting off the hand of the person. While, it does seem a bit excessive, what is the point of it entirely?

The point is that the person whose arm has been cut off, will REMEMBER WHY IT HAPPENED, and the people who see the person with his HAND CUT OFF, will see the FATE OF SOMEONE WHO STEALS.

While to the Western world, these punishments might seem excessive, inhumane and perhaps even downright injudicial, they are MEANT TO WARN AND SERVE AS DETERRENT.

Now I know you are not Muslim, but from an Islamic society point of view, her death could serve as a warning for future girls TREADING ON PATH WHICH IS FORBIDDEN.

Now if a Muslim Girl, wants to forsake Islam, and then do such things, I FEEL our society SHOULD ACCEPT NON-MUSLIMS who want to show skin, dance or wear bikinis.

The hallmark of a society is that it can desist from transformation when it follows a certain religion, but able to accept PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGION WHO DON'T FOLLOW THEIR RULES.

I realize, this is hard for you to understand, and you clearly believe, that every person has his own decision in life.

That is only true, when you haven't accepted Islam.

There is no compulsion in religion, but when you EMBRACE ISLAM, you have to abide by its ethics.

There is no second guessing in religion.

And Allah knows best.

don't take it personal, its open debate and should be kept professional.
The problem that i see with us Muslims today is that we pick choose lines from our text to prove our point.
Like you said above punishment for stealing, but you didn't mention the requirements to be fulfilled before going for punishment.
my understanding from my research is if person was hungry and had nothing to eat or did for family cause no support, you can't cut hands off, it would fall on head of state at that time that why that person is hungry?

people always talk about sharia law, but don't understand that its not just requirements to be filled by people, but has hard requirement for the government too.
thats the reason we have so many fiqas, cause can not find a common ground.
life would be much easier if people stop pretending to khuda, and mind their own business and worry about their own grave.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

People wont think that way because their own interpretation of Islam is what they consider the correct one...

The "she had it coming because she was acting against Islam" is such a slippery slope but people do not care...

Exactly
Honour killings are fine etc etc etc

It's a sub continent phenomena which is fine when women have purdah but it becomes misogyny when it involves butchering women and making yourself the moral police


The brother actually thinks he's going straight to heaven for murdering his own sister in her room

 

[Junaids]

Having read the interview, I really admire this poor woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...-qandeel-baloch-pakistan-social-media-brother

 

[LongHorn]

Exactly
Honour killings are fine etc etc etc

It's a sub continent phenomena which is fine when women have purdah but it becomes misogyny when it involves butchering women and making yourself the moral police


The brother actually thinks he's going straight to heaven for murdering his own sister in her room

I am not that concerned about those who think people like this brother and Mumtaz Qadri are heroes, as that is quite a radical view and such people are quite vocal. I am more concerned about those who think in the lines of "yes, it is wrong to kill, but at least it will deter other girls or people like Salman Taseer'.

 

[Waseem]

[MENTION=135]Waseem[/MENTION] [MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION]


Interview with Images: 'My boldness is my revenge'
Images: Can you tell us how your marriage took place? What happened?

Qandeel Baloch: I didn’t run away from home. I’ve been dealing with the problem all day, telling everyone, attending their calls, telling the media. Media is not supporting me. They’re saying that I want to marry Imran Khan but I’m already married. This is wrong. What about my self-worth? My identity? I am a social media sensation, I am a fashion icon. I don’t know HOW many girls have felt support through my persona. I’m a girl power. So many girls tell me I’m a girl power, and yes, I am.

I was 17 years old when my parents forced an uneducated man on me. The abuse I have been through… It happens in places like this, in small villages, in Baloch families. This happened to me too.

"I never accepted him as my husband in my heart or mind," says Qandeel of her husband.

I said, ‘No, I don’t want to spend my life this way’. I was not made for this. It was my wish since I was a child to become something, to be able to stand on my own two feet, to do something for myself.

But then they married me off when I was 17, 18. I was not happy and never accepted him as my husband. What do you think will happen in a forced marriage? With an uneducated man, an animal. What would I say, that I am already married? Why would I say it?

I never accepted him as my husband in my heart or mind. How I spent a year and a half with him, only I know. And I only did it because of the child. Otherwise I wouldn’t have spent even one month with him.

Images: Why do you call him an animal?

Qandeel: He is. The kind of torture he has inflicted on me, you can’t even imagine. Why? Because I was cute, I was young. He was older than me. He didn’t trust me. I don’t know why. I couldn’t connect with him on an intellectual level. Our ideas were very different.

Then I had a child, so I sacrificed. I spent a year and a half with him. After the child, I told him I want to study. I want to complete my education, I want to get a job, I want to stand on my own two feet. But he never agreed.

My family never supported me. I would say I don’t want to live with him, but they didn’t support me. That man tried to throw acid on me. He said ‘I’ll burn your face because you’re so beautiful’. And today the media isn’t giving me any credit for speaking about empowerment of women, girl power.

They don’t recognise that this girl fought. Today I am capable of taking on the burden of an entire household. But no one gives me credit for that.

Images: Can you tell us a little bit more about your journey? Last time we spoke, you said you were around 17-18 when your parents let you do TV serials on PTV.

Qandeel: I was 17-18 when I got married. When I was 19 years old… I had a child within one year. Then there were fights, arguments, being violent with me. Then when my family didn’t support me, I ran away and found support in Darul Aman. That was my right.

I didn’t know what I would do ahead. It was in Multan. The child was with me. I had kept him with me because he was really young. He fell ill in Darul Aman. He was so sick, everyone told me that I should give him back to his father, that if anything happened to him, God forbid, they would do a case on me. I had to give my son back to them.

After that, I was discharged from there. I thought now I am capable of doing this on my own. I did a job, I completed my Matric and my Bachelors. I did a marketing job, I worked as a bus hostess, I did a lot of jobs, I struggled a lot. I got out from there. The first thing I did when I got out of Darul Aman was my Matric. Then I did my Bachelors privately, I kept doing it. I did quite few jobs, in Daewoo, in Lever Brothers. Quite a few jobs. Then after a while, I started working in showbiz.

Images: When did you start working in showbiz?

Qandeel: It was about 2012, 2013. I started from zero. Small fashion shows, small photoshoots. I’ve seen a lot. I’ve seen a lot of things up close. I married my sister off, I gave jahez (dowry) for her wedding, I tried to keep relations going with my family, I bought a house for them in Multan. My parents are settled in Multan, my house is there.

Now today all of this is happening, people are filing cases against me. Now he’s standing up and saying I’m his wife. Where was he before?

Images: Are you divorced?

Qandeel: Yes, I got divorced.

Images: But it wasn’t a written divorce?

Qandeel: Talaaq ho gayi thi, khula ho gaya tha.

Images: So if you’re divorced, why is he only surfacing now?

Qandeel: I don’t know. I can’t understand.

Images: Has he been in touch with you?

Qandeel: No, we haven’t had any contact.

Images: Would you like to talk about your child?

Qandeel: What should I say about my child? It’s his child. His son.

Images: How do you feel about him [your child]?

Qandeel: I tried a lot to keep him close to me. But they didn’t let me speak to him. I thought when my child is older, he’ll understand, he’ll see the environment there and feel that his mother was right, that she did what was right.

Images: Given your upbringing, how did you reach where you are today? You say that you’ve done really bold stuff. How did this happen?

Qandeel: I’ve fought with everyone . And now I have become so headstrong that I only do what I want. I started working in showbiz, I faced so many difficulties, you know what happens with girls here. You know what kinds of offers they make girls here. You know how they try to misuse girls who are new to the industry.

You could say that this is my revenge [from this country]. I don’t do these things happily.

Images: What do you mean what you do is an act of revenge?

Qandeel: Nothing is good in this society. This mardon ki society (patriarchal society) is bad. You probably know this already, think about the problems you face yourself.

Being a girl, think yourself, how difficult it is to move around as a woman in this society. How many men do you encounter who bother you? The same way, I have struggled through difficulties to make a place for myself in showbiz. It was very difficult. What kind of problems I have faced, I don’t think anyone can understand.

I want to give my followers a positive message, I want to give those girls a positive message who have been forcefully married, who continue to sacrifice. I want to be an example for those people. That’s my aim.


http://www.dawn.com/news/1271391/strangled-qandeel-after-drugging-her-brother-confesses




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To be honest, i ignored ANYTHING/EVERYTHING she said/posted for obvious reasons (let's not discuss as she is no longer alive) so didn't know about her struggles.
I think it's more of a financial dispute case than honour killing anyway, her brother was a drug addict who had an argument with her about money and i think he is hiding behind ghairat anyway.

 

[Yossarian]

Never heard the name of the unfortunate victim until I read it on the news.

I'm betting that the vast majority of those in Pakistan following her on Facebook, or being glued to the telly when she appeared on tv shows, were also condemning her for her actions and claiming that they were deplorable.

I'm also betting that all those young men ardently following her would also act violently towards anyone asking/suggesting that if they, and their friends, enjoyed watching her video's and antics, would it be acceptable if their own daughters and sisters also made similar videos for others, like their friends, to enjoy.

This poor woman was simply following the supply and demand principle. She made her videos because there were plenty of viewers (mainly men) who enjoyed watching them. So if what she was doing was 'bad', then her 'customers' (viewers) were worse - for creating the demand in the first place. And thus they too carry some responsibility for her actions, whether good or bad.

 

[youboy]

Orya Maqbool jaan said Media including him are responsible for the murder of Qandeel Baloch.

watch from 25:50 to 29:40

[utube]6-qAguCTpvM[/utube]

 

[Saeed]

Good news is her family now can not forgive the murderer because government has blocked them from doing so. Well done, authorities need to make it clear that anyone involved in "honor killing" will be punished severely. There is no excuse for letting murderes roam the streets of Pakistan.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Good news is her family now can not forgive the murderer because government has blocked them from doing so. Well done, authorities need to make it clear that anyone involved in "honor killing" will be punished severely. There is no excuse for letting murderes roam the streets of Pakistan.

Allah keray k aesa ho. Aameen.

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[endymion248]

What a hero she was. I hope Gaddafi Stadium is renamed Qandeel Baloch National Stadium.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

I am not that concerned about those who think people like this brother and Mumtaz Qadri are heroes, as that is quite a radical view and such people are quite vocal. I am more concerned about those who think in the lines of "yes, it is wrong to kill, but at least it will deter other girls or people like Salman Taseer'.

I've heard the same argument, 'the silence of the lambs

The bullets did not deter Malala who is still campaigning for the education of girls

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

James Sinclair condemns killing of Qandeel Baloch.


https://youtu.be/Lu_yDG7Db48

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[TalentSpotterPk]

Theresa May responds to news of Qandeel Baloch's killing.

http://dai.ly/x4l2y7j


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