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Quality of bowling in PSL is definitely superior to IPL

The team having Boult, Pattinson, Bumrah lost to the team having Rayudu as their middle order mainstay

So? Rayudu at this phase of his career can still easily walk into the Pakistan side. That’s not a disrespect or an arrogant statement .He looks worse because of the list of bats ahead of him right now and one point people felt there were more deserving bats, that’s a reflection of Indias depth doesn’t make Rayudu inferior. If he was good enough to play as many games for India as he did and there was a national debate on his non-selection means he was worth something.
 
So? Rayudu at this phase of his career can still easily walk into the Pakistan side. That’s not a disrespect or an arrogant statement .He looks worse because of the list of bats ahead of him right now and one point people felt there were more deserving bats, that’s a reflection of Indias depth doesn’t make Rayudu inferior. If he was good enough to play as many games for India as he did and there was a national debate on his non-selection means he was worth something.

I’m sorry but Boult Pattinson and Bumrah on current form are just not as good as it might seem on first glance. Rayudu shouldnt have been able to play as well given his struggles against pace.
 
You mean a team having a bowling attack of Boult,Pattinson and Bumrah as their top 3 bowlers is inferior to PSL bowling attacks lol.

will they play every single match in the IPL? no. You will get some matches where teams may not play their full bowling attack..its a long tournament and allows players time. The PSL doesn't. You have to be on your game most days. The bowling attacks generally stay the same. day in day out..

would an IPL team win the PSL? most probably..but I feel the PSL is short sharp and very tough..
 
rayudu is a top player. India should ha e used him in the WC vs new zealand. Would have saved us the game.

remember rayudu helped india win in difficult conditions back in n.z (2018). India won the series 4 - 1 in bilaterals before WC in n.z
 
Zampa and Chahal lack the penetrative power of Shadab Khan and Imad Wasim
 
Udana can play IPL but Wahab Riaz can’t?

Riaz will ofcourse play, but Udana is an alrounder of sorts is what Ive heard and t20 specialist from MSL. But going by tonite, I think another t20 specialist bites the dust. Will hope for something better from him going forwards as I want RCB to do well.
 
Shouldn't let pollard smack you around for 60 off 20 odd deliveries in all honesty.
Dissapointing tbf.
 
Shouldn't let pollard smack you around for 60 off 20 odd deliveries in all honesty.
Dissapointing tbf.

Pollard has a better average and strike rate in PSL compared to IPL.

But why wouldn’t he when he is playing in a third rate league with garbage overseas bowlers and mediocre local bowlers.

PSL bowling is mediocre. They only look good because PSL is the worst league in the world when it comes to batting standards. It is minnow level.
 
Pollard has a better average and strike rate in PSL compared to IPL.

But why wouldn’t he when he is playing in a third rate league with garbage overseas bowlers and mediocre local bowlers.

PSL bowling is mediocre. They only look good because PSL is the worst league in the world when it comes to batting standards. It is minnow level.

No.1 t20 batsman and even no.2 play in worst league and in best league a nobody like Tewatia slap a random 30 odd.....and a random Saha almost stay not out.......in the best league so called upcoming sensation Mavi Nagarkoti are denied full quota.....sometimes local bowlers are not even considerd that gr8.....2 bowl in power play........ Sometimes the entire batting and bowling depends on 2 foreign players and one spinner.....in SRH......
It's a league where a national regular is probably going to benched for a 30 year old mystery spinner......
It is that GOLD STANDARD league where 16 catches have been dropped so far......

It is that league where Undakat , bowls 6 different slower bowls becomes millionaire.......and Rajput NATRAJAN Nagarjuna WARRIER showcase their special skills........

Psl will never need the Curran....a test no.1 bowler to play in their teams......

Psl is that worst league from where someone gets chance in their national side like Denly Vince Livingstone Salt Malan.....the later going on to become no.1 in t20....... PSL is that league whose local bowlers are usually hire to play for BLAST Bash CPL....even before making their national debut.....

Wah bhai wah.......
 
No.1 t20 batsman and even no.2 play in worst league and in best league a nobody like Tewatia slap a random 30 odd.....and a random Saha almost stay not out.......in the best league so called upcoming sensation Mavi Nagarkoti are denied full quota.....sometimes local bowlers are not even considerd that gr8.....2 bowl in power play........ Sometimes the entire batting and bowling depends on 2 foreign players and one spinner.....in SRH......
It's a league where a national regular is probably going to benched for a 30 year old mystery spinner......
It is that GOLD STANDARD league where 16 catches have been dropped so far......

It is that league where Undakat , bowls 6 different slower bowls becomes millionaire.......and Rajput NATRAJAN Nagarjuna WARRIER showcase their special skills........

Psl will never need the Curran....a test no.1 bowler to play in their teams......

Psl is that worst league from where someone gets chance in their national side like Denly Vince Livingstone Salt Malan.....the later going on to become no.1 in t20....... PSL is that league whose local bowlers are usually hire to play for BLAST Bash CPL....even before making their national debut.....

Wah bhai wah.......

because indian bowlers don't want to play in leagues that can't afford them. the top I die bowlers will never leave ipl.
 
It is the usual hyperbole by our Padosi brothers.

We all saw two months ago that their two premier young fast bowlers who were hyped as next Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis during the lockdown period got owned by a LOI specialist Jos Buttler, who was often cited by the same set of fans as "not good enough for test cricket".

The quality of bowling in that series was rubbish from visiting side, Shaheen Shah kept bowling wide outside off to Jos Buttler throughout that match as if he was waiting for Buttler to chase one and edge it to slips.

We were told that Pakistan has oceans of fast bowlers and as soon as Amir retired, they got Shaheen and Naseem who on potential are already better than Bumrah and Shami. But all it took was a thrashing from a LOI specialist who gave them a taste of their own medicine.
 
It is the usual hyperbole by our Padosi brothers.

We all saw two months ago that their two premier young fast bowlers who were hyped as next Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis during the lockdown period got owned by a LOI specialist Jos Buttler, who was often cited by the same set of fans as "not good enough for test cricket".

The quality of bowling in that series was rubbish from visiting side, Shaheen Shah kept bowling wide outside off to Jos Buttler throughout that match as if he was waiting for Buttler to chase one and edge it to slips.

We were told that Pakistan has oceans of fast bowlers and as soon as Amir retired, they got Shaheen and Naseem who on potential are already better than Bumrah and Shami. But all it took was a thrashing from a LOI specialist who gave them a taste of their own medicine.

lol Shami and Bumrah combined together to produce 4-0 result that after Kohli scored 4 centuries.
 
Okay. So when did Kohli score 4 centuries in that series ?

And Bumrah didn't even play in half the Tests we lost. What even was your point then?

My point is that even with GUN batting line up with GUN layer those two bowlers were not able to win India matches abroad with any sort of regularity. I was making a point that Sheen and co are not legends but neither are Bumrah and co. Infact only difference might be just experience.
 
My point is that even with GUN batting line up with GUN layer those two bowlers were not able to win India matches abroad with any sort of regularity. I was making a point that Sheen and co are not legends but neither are Bumrah and co. Infact only difference might be just experience.

we never ever fielded this team and we all know it's India's best team. we had Rahul and dhawan opening at the time vs england and they were to odi oriented players. Dint belong in the top order for that format.

mayank
shaw/rohit
puji
kohli
rahane or Rahul (number 5 is his position in odi and tests)
pant
jaddu/pandya
bhuvi
shami
ishant
bumrah


not once have we been able to field that full strength team. bhuvi who is a great exponent of swing wasn't available. bumrah missed 2 games. Mayank and shaw/rohit never played up top.
 
we never ever fielded this team and we all know it's India's best team. we had Rahul and dhawan opening at the time vs england and they were to odi oriented players. Dint belong in the top order for that format.

mayank
shaw/rohit
puji
kohli
rahane or Rahul (number 5 is his position in odi and tests)
pant
jaddu/pandya
bhuvi
shami
ishant
bumrah


not once have we been able to field that full strength team. bhuvi who is a great exponent of swing wasn't available. bumrah missed 2 games. Mayank and shaw/rohit never played up top.

Why Not? Kholi played the best team in hip opinion at that time. The team above is best team in your opinion there are plenty of such treads about how Pakistan never play their best team here too that's just matter of opinion.

Plus you are basically saying batting needs to be even stronger.
 
lol Shami and Bumrah combined together to produce 4-0 result that after Kohli scored 4 centuries.

They have made us an unbeatable team in subcontinent while being competitive overseas. A lot of teams still lose test matches to Sri Lanka and West Indies while we mostly dominate them every single time.
 
They have made us an unbeatable team in subcontinent while being competitive overseas. A lot of teams still lose test matches to Sri Lanka and West Indies while we mostly dominate them every single time.

When was the last time India was not this good at home? or subcontinent? Other teams have regressed only Pakistan had the ability to beat India at home regularly.
 
When was the last time India was not this good at home? or subcontinent? Other teams have regressed only Pakistan had the ability to beat India at home regularly.

In 2000s decade with ATG batting and Kumble/Bhajji, England and even New Zealand have won matches or drawn series in India.

If you say other teams have regressed then how are they(NZ or WI or SL) winning or drawing test series against Pakistan in UAE, which is basically a home for them?
 
When was the last time India was not this good at home? or subcontinent? Other teams have regressed only Pakistan had the ability to beat India at home regularly.

pakistan post 2000 never had that ability. they lost at home to india in fact.
 
Why Not? Kholi played the best team in hip opinion at that time. The team above is best team in your opinion there are plenty of such treads about how Pakistan never play their best team here too that's just matter of opinion.

Plus you are basically saying batting needs to be even stronger.

not my opinion rofl. That is a fact. bhuvi missed the series through Injury. he is an exceptional swing bowler. perfect for swing conditions and can bat deep.

bumrah missed 2 games.
opening pair was different. Mayank and shaw never played.

Rahul never played in the middle order.

india's best team dint play. or better yet. india could have used both ashwin and jaddu at 7 and 8 without any issue. Adds perfect balance.
 
In 2000s decade with ATG batting and Kumble/Bhajji, England and even New Zealand have won matches or drawn series in India.

If you say other teams have regressed then how are they(NZ or WI or SL) winning or drawing test series against Pakistan in UAE, which is basically a home for them?

pakistan post 2000 never had that ability. they lost at home to india in fact.

So what am i saying different? I said only Pakistan had the ability to beat India in India they have regressed since to a point even some lesser teams are beating them in UAE not home Pakistan still have one of the best winning ratio in Pakistan.
 
My point is that even with GUN batting line up with GUN layer those two bowlers were not able to win India matches abroad with any sort of regularity. I was making a point that Sheen and co are not legends but neither are Bumrah and co. Infact only difference might be just experience.

Are you sure about that?

Rahul and Dhawan are nowhere near "gun" when it comes to England Tests. Vijay and Rahane are has-beens. Our batting was pretty much Kohli and Pujara and the latter too is extremely inconsistent.

Besides, Bumrah didn't even play in two of the four Tests we lost on that tour. So, your argument goes for a toss right there.
 
Are you sure about that?

Rahul and Dhawan are nowhere near "gun" when it comes to England Tests. Vijay and Rahane are has-beens. Our batting was pretty much Kohli and Pujara and the latter too is extremely inconsistent.

Besides, Bumrah didn't even play in two of the four Tests we lost on that tour. So, your argument goes for a toss right there.

So he didnt play 2 of the 5 of which you won 1? And the team that played was the best at that time according to selectors and kohli. Excuses are flooding in I see but just for your knowledge great bowlers dont need excuses.
 
So he didnt play 2 of the 5 of which you won 1? And the team that played was the best at that time according to selectors and kohli. Excuses are flooding in I see but just for your knowledge great bowlers dont need excuses.

What excuses lol ?

You guys can whine about Warner and Smith missing but won't accept when the shoe's on the other foot.

This was your original statement.

lol Shami and Bumrah combined together to produce 4-0 result

So kindly tell me how is Bumrah responsible for the "4-0" lost when Bumrah didn't even play in two of the tests we lost ?
 
Lol we moved on from comparing T20S performance to tests to malign young inexperienced Pak duo of Naseem and Shaheen. Fact is many Indian batsmen are superior to Pak batsmen and IPL has star international batsmen due to the separate window. So it is no surprise scorers are higher, but it is also fact the sane set of batsmen would also struggle to score the same amount of runs as many past and present IPL international players have played in PSL too and struggled.
 
IPL batting: 10/10
IPL bowling: 7/10

PSL batting: 1/10
PSL bowling: 4/10

No comparison whatsoever.
 
So he didnt play 2 of the 5 of which you won 1? And the team that played was the best at that time according to selectors and kohli. Excuses are flooding in I see but just for your knowledge great bowlers dont need excuses.

Bumrah did play 3 tests and contributed to two losses, whereas Smith and Warner did not play whole series. And that is the only series outside subcontinent the superior Indian bowlers won.
 
What excuses lol ?

You guys can whine about Warner and Smith missing but won't accept when the shoe's on the other foot.

This was your original statement.



So kindly tell me how is Bumrah responsible for the "4-0" lost when Bumrah didn't even play in two of the tests we lost ?

Warner and Smith missing whole series is not equal to Bumrah not playing due to not being selected LOL and then contributing to two loses and no wins when selected as compared to 1 win prior to getting selected if anything India did better when he was not in the side.
 
Sunrisers pace attack today

Bhuvaneshwar Kumar
Khaleel Ahmed
Nataranjan

International standard pace attack
 
IPL batting: 10/10
IPL bowling: 7/10

PSL batting: 1/10
PSL bowling: 4/10

No comparison whatsoever.
LOL in your opinion. Same Pollard, Russell, ABD, Morgan, Malan, Watson. etc played in PSL too. So if they are valued 1 out of 10, why are they picked in IPL?
 
The hypothesis has been given that "Quality of bowling in PSL is superior to that of in the IPL" but what are the parameters upon which one has proven this hypothesis? Nobody knows, except some nationalism mixed with low scores in the PSL.

To me that is ridiculously absurd. I don't think there is any evidence to suggest the quality of bowling is superior in PSL. The one way you can judge whose bowling is superior is if both the bowling attacks are exposed to the same elements. On one hand you have guys like Umaid Asif, Sameen Gul, Irfan Jr, Haris Rauf, Mohammad Nawaz, Akif Javed bowling to the likes of Ramdin, Walton, Sohail Akhtar, Azam Khan, Saad Nasim whereas on the other side you have guys like Deepak Chahar, Saini, Mavi, Bishnoi bowling to the likes of De Villiers, Kohli, KL Rahul, Samson, Kishan, Rana. How is that even a fair comparison? Based on what has it been decreed that PSL bowling is greater?

The Pakistani bowlers get away with murder simply by bowling to an incredibly poor batting lineup who are mostly mid-wicket hacks and can't improvise at all. You bowl a wide off-stump line and 9 times out of 10 the PSL batsmen are slogging across the line towards mid-wicket. These same bowlers then got a royal pasting once the PSL shifted to Pakistan on true batting pitches by even these mediocre batsmen. I can only imagine what the likes of Kohli, De Villiers, Buttler, Warner would do to them on grounds like Chennai, Bangalore. It would be a massacre.

People say you just have to see how De Villiers and Gayle flopped in PSL but look like kings in IPL as if that is the evidence of PSL bowling being superior. (De Villiers by the way hasn't been a flop). The problem with that line of argument is that it goes both ways. Wahab Riaz gets murdered in T20 internationals against top teams but is highly economical in the PSL. Luke Ronchi will never play for NZ again yet annihilates PSL bowling time after time. I can provide many example but let's just put this argument aside as it's not a convincing one.

If this was 2007-2010 and there was a PSL at that time and people said that the PSL bowling is superior to IPL bowling, then there would've been some merit in that argument. During those years Pakistan were the best T20 team in the world and actually had world class bowlers. Umar Gul was at the height of his powers, Ajmal was exceptional, Afridi, Hafeez, Shoaib Akhtar, Sohail Tanvir, Mohammad Asif, Mohammad Amir. That was a genuinely good time for Pakistan bowling. However to suggest that PSL bowling at this moment in IPL is superior is quite absurd.

Living in denial can never benefit anyone. Pakistan had always led India in bowling but since 2010, that advantage has also vanished. There's no use not accepting that fact and trying to prove that Shadab and Imad are still better bowlers than Kuldeep and Chahal. Or that Bumrah, Shami and Ishant are not better than Shaheen, Naseem and Abbas.

But as I mentioned in my other post on another thread, there is no use comparing PSL and IPL. Both are in separate leagues altogether. There is a complete mismatch in quality. But that doesn't mean PSL deserves to go into the trash can. PSL is doing the best it can with whatever resources it has. So let it be. No need to try to force it to be better than the IPL in any dimension.
 
The hypothesis has been given that "Quality of bowling in PSL is superior to that of in the IPL" but what are the parameters upon which one has proven this hypothesis? Nobody knows, except some nationalism mixed with low scores in the PSL.

To me that is ridiculously absurd. I don't think there is any evidence to suggest the quality of bowling is superior in PSL. The one way you can judge whose bowling is superior is if both the bowling attacks are exposed to the same elements. On one hand you have guys like Umaid Asif, Sameen Gul, Irfan Jr, Haris Rauf, Mohammad Nawaz, Akif Javed bowling to the likes of Ramdin, Walton, Sohail Akhtar, Azam Khan, Saad Nasim whereas on the other side you have guys like Deepak Chahar, Saini, Mavi, Bishnoi bowling to the likes of De Villiers, Kohli, KL Rahul, Samson, Kishan, Rana. How is that even a fair comparison? Based on what has it been decreed that PSL bowling is greater?

The Pakistani bowlers get away with murder simply by bowling to an incredibly poor batting lineup who are mostly mid-wicket hacks and can't improvise at all. You bowl a wide off-stump line and 9 times out of 10 the PSL batsmen are slogging across the line towards mid-wicket. These same bowlers then got a royal pasting once the PSL shifted to Pakistan on true batting pitches by even these mediocre batsmen. I can only imagine what the likes of Kohli, De Villiers, Buttler, Warner would do to them on grounds like Chennai, Bangalore. It would be a massacre.

People say you just have to see how De Villiers and Gayle flopped in PSL but look like kings in IPL as if that is the evidence of PSL bowling being superior. (De Villiers by the way hasn't been a flop). The problem with that line of argument is that it goes both ways. Wahab Riaz gets murdered in T20 internationals against top teams but is highly economical in the PSL. Luke Ronchi will never play for NZ again yet annihilates PSL bowling time after time. I can provide many example but let's just put this argument aside as it's not a convincing one.

If this was 2007-2010 and there was a PSL at that time and people said that the PSL bowling is superior to IPL bowling, then there would've been some merit in that argument. During those years Pakistan were the best T20 team in the world and actually had world class bowlers. Umar Gul was at the height of his powers, Ajmal was exceptional, Afridi, Hafeez, Shoaib Akhtar, Sohail Tanvir, Mohammad Asif, Mohammad Amir. That was a genuinely good time for Pakistan bowling. However to suggest that PSL bowling at this moment in IPL is superior is quite absurd.

Living in denial can never benefit anyone. Pakistan had always led India in bowling but since 2010, that advantage has also vanished. There's no use not accepting that fact and trying to prove that Shadab and Imad are still better bowlers than Kuldeep and Chahal. Or that Bumrah, Shami and Ishant are not better than Shaheen, Naseem and Abbas.

But as I mentioned in my other post on another thread, there is no use comparing PSL and IPL. Both are in separate leagues altogether. There is a complete mismatch in quality. But that doesn't mean PSL deserves to go into the trash can. PSL is doing the best it can with whatever resources it has. So let it be. No need to try to force it to be better than the IPL in any dimension.

PSL is not rubbish. Its the 3rd and very close to being the second best league.

But there is a very big difference between IPL and the rest.
 
PSL is not rubbish. Its the 3rd and very close to being the second best league.

But there is a very big difference between IPL and the rest.

Yeah and that's what I'm saying too. No need to throw PSL in the trash can. PSL is good when seen on its own. But when one tries to force a comparison with the IPL, then the league will look rubbish. Almost all leagues will.
 
PSL is not rubbish. Its the 3rd and very close to being the second best league.

But there is a very big difference between IPL and the rest.

CricViz rates IPL, MSL, CPL, PSL, and then BBL in that order. They have factored in quality of pitches, matches, players etc. nobody else has done as much analysis of data as they have. Rest is all conjecture.
 
@ sharqinoor.
Shadab outperformed Kuldeep and Chahal in last world Cup, and also was good in England.. Why compare Bumrah, Shami with new comer Naseem, why not Mohd Amir, Mohd Sami, Wahab R, Hasan Ali, Mohd Irfan,etc?
You mention PSL bowlers bowling at likes of Walton and Ronchi(who is a damn good T20 batsmen, so what if he is not in favour with NZ team), so who bowls at Hales, Roy, Butler, Mccullum, ABD, Pollard, Gayle, Russell, Morgan, Watson, Tom Bainton etc when they played PSL. Are they rubbish batsmen as well when they play for PSL but super stars when they play for IPL.
 
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CricViz rates IPL, MSL, CPL, PSL, and then BBL in that order. They have factored in quality of pitches, matches, players etc. nobody else has done as much analysis of data as they have. Rest is all conjecture.

Any analysis on local fast bowling talent?
 
IPL batting: 10/10
IPL bowling: 7/10

PSL batting: 1/10
PSL bowling: 4/10

No comparison whatsoever.

Here are the corrected numbers :)
IPL batting: 9/10
IPL bowling: 7/10

PSL batting: 7/10
PSL bowling: 7/10

Bowling breakdown:
IPL Intl bowling: 8/10
IPL Local bowling: 6/10

PSL Intl bowling: 7/10
PSL Local bowling 7/10
 
CricViz rates IPL, MSL, CPL, PSL, and then BBL in that order. They have factored in quality of pitches, matches, players etc. nobody else has done as much analysis of data as they have. Rest is all conjecture.

Forget PSL, CPL higher than BBL is a joke.
 
The hypothesis has been given that "Quality of bowling in PSL is superior to that of in the IPL" but what are the parameters upon which one has proven this hypothesis? Nobody knows, except some nationalism mixed with low scores in the PSL.

To me that is ridiculously absurd. I don't think there is any evidence to suggest the quality of bowling is superior in PSL. The one way you can judge whose bowling is superior is if both the bowling attacks are exposed to the same elements. On one hand you have guys like Umaid Asif, Sameen Gul, Irfan Jr, Haris Rauf, Mohammad Nawaz, Akif Javed bowling to the likes of Ramdin, Walton, Sohail Akhtar, Azam Khan, Saad Nasim whereas on the other side you have guys like Deepak Chahar, Saini, Mavi, Bishnoi bowling to the likes of De Villiers, Kohli, KL Rahul, Samson, Kishan, Rana. How is that even a fair comparison? Based on what has it been decreed that PSL bowling is greater?

The Pakistani bowlers get away with murder simply by bowling to an incredibly poor batting lineup who are mostly mid-wicket hacks and can't improvise at all. You bowl a wide off-stump line and 9 times out of 10 the PSL batsmen are slogging across the line towards mid-wicket. These same bowlers then got a royal pasting once the PSL shifted to Pakistan on true batting pitches by even these mediocre batsmen. I can only imagine what the likes of Kohli, De Villiers, Buttler, Warner would do to them on grounds like Chennai, Bangalore. It would be a massacre.

People say you just have to see how De Villiers and Gayle flopped in PSL but look like kings in IPL as if that is the evidence of PSL bowling being superior. (De Villiers by the way hasn't been a flop). The problem with that line of argument is that it goes both ways. Wahab Riaz gets murdered in T20 internationals against top teams but is highly economical in the PSL. Luke Ronchi will never play for NZ again yet annihilates PSL bowling time after time. I can provide many example but let's just put this argument aside as it's not a convincing one.

If this was 2007-2010 and there was a PSL at that time and people said that the PSL bowling is superior to IPL bowling, then there would've been some merit in that argument. During those years Pakistan were the best T20 team in the world and actually had world class bowlers. Umar Gul was at the height of his powers, Ajmal was exceptional, Afridi, Hafeez, Shoaib Akhtar, Sohail Tanvir, Mohammad Asif, Mohammad Amir. That was a genuinely good time for Pakistan bowling. However to suggest that PSL bowling at this moment in IPL is superior is quite absurd.

Living in denial can never benefit anyone. Pakistan had always led India in bowling but since 2010, that advantage has also vanished. There's no use not accepting that fact and trying to prove that Shadab and Imad are still better bowlers than Kuldeep and Chahal. Or that Bumrah, Shami and Ishant are not better than Shaheen, Naseem and Abbas.

But as I mentioned in my other post on another thread, there is no use comparing PSL and IPL. Both are in separate leagues altogether. There is a complete mismatch in quality. But that doesn't mean PSL deserves to go into the trash can. PSL is doing the best it can with whatever resources it has. So let it be. No need to try to force it to be better than the IPL in any dimension.

Brilliant post.
 
Here are the corrected numbers :)
IPL batting: 9/10
IPL bowling: 7/10

PSL batting: 7/10
PSL bowling: 7/10

Bowling breakdown:
IPL Intl bowling: 8/10
IPL Local bowling: 6/10

PSL Intl bowling: 7/10
PSL Local bowling 7/10

Can you please list the international bowlers in PSL and justify the 1 point difference?

Wait, I will make it easy for you.

Overseas bowlers in PSL 2019:

Zahir Khan
Aaron Summers
Viljoen
Lamichhane
Chris Green
Qais
Tymal Mills
Chris Jordan
Max Waller
Gurney
Fawad Ahmad

Overseas bowlers in PSL 2020:

Steyn
Tymal Mills
Fawad Ahmed
Chris Jordan
McClenaghan
Prassana

This is embarrassing beyond embarrassing.

How do you justify the 1 point gap? :101:
 
Obviously as it suits your Agenda

And it is full of inconsistencies and wrong comparisons as I mentioned in my previous post. No one is arguing IPL is a better league due to financial pull and separate window, but bowling standards are not much better.
 
The hypothesis has been given that "Quality of bowling in PSL is superior to that of in the IPL" but what are the parameters upon which one has proven this hypothesis? Nobody knows, except some nationalism mixed with low scores in the PSL.

To me that is ridiculously absurd. I don't think there is any evidence to suggest the quality of bowling is superior in PSL. The one way you can judge whose bowling is superior is if both the bowling attacks are exposed to the same elements. On one hand you have guys like Umaid Asif, Sameen Gul, Irfan Jr, Haris Rauf, Mohammad Nawaz, Akif Javed bowling to the likes of Ramdin, Walton, Sohail Akhtar, Azam Khan, Saad Nasim whereas on the other side you have guys like Deepak Chahar, Saini, Mavi, Bishnoi bowling to the likes of De Villiers, Kohli, KL Rahul, Samson, Kishan, Rana. How is that even a fair comparison? Based on what has it been decreed that PSL bowling is greater?

The Pakistani bowlers get away with murder simply by bowling to an incredibly poor batting lineup who are mostly mid-wicket hacks and can't improvise at all. You bowl a wide off-stump line and 9 times out of 10 the PSL batsmen are slogging across the line towards mid-wicket. These same bowlers then got a royal pasting once the PSL shifted to Pakistan on true batting pitches by even these mediocre batsmen. I can only imagine what the likes of Kohli, De Villiers, Buttler, Warner would do to them on grounds like Chennai, Bangalore. It would be a massacre.

People say you just have to see how De Villiers and Gayle flopped in PSL but look like kings in IPL as if that is the evidence of PSL bowling being superior. (De Villiers by the way hasn't been a flop). The problem with that line of argument is that it goes both ways. Wahab Riaz gets murdered in T20 internationals against top teams but is highly economical in the PSL. Luke Ronchi will never play for NZ again yet annihilates PSL bowling time after time. I can provide many example but let's just put this argument aside as it's not a convincing one.

If this was 2007-2010 and there was a PSL at that time and people said that the PSL bowling is superior to IPL bowling, then there would've been some merit in that argument. During those years Pakistan were the best T20 team in the world and actually had world class bowlers. Umar Gul was at the height of his powers, Ajmal was exceptional, Afridi, Hafeez, Shoaib Akhtar, Sohail Tanvir, Mohammad Asif, Mohammad Amir. That was a genuinely good time for Pakistan bowling. However to suggest that PSL bowling at this moment in IPL is superior is quite absurd.

Living in denial can never benefit anyone. Pakistan had always led India in bowling but since 2010, that advantage has also vanished. There's no use not accepting that fact and trying to prove that Shadab and Imad are still better bowlers than Kuldeep and Chahal. Or that Bumrah, Shami and Ishant are not better than Shaheen, Naseem and Abbas.

But as I mentioned in my other post on another thread, there is no use comparing PSL and IPL. Both are in separate leagues altogether. There is a complete mismatch in quality. But that doesn't mean PSL deserves to go into the trash can. PSL is doing the best it can with whatever resources it has. So let it be. No need to try to force it to be better than the IPL in any dimension.

Since when has anyone questioned The IPL’s international stars, spinners and bowlers such as Bumrah and Shami???

Thanks for stating the obvious, this is undisputed. What annoys genuine cricket fans is consistently having to hear the lie that this is cricket at International standard, whereas all you have to do is look at the bowling attack the Sunrisers are going with today. It consists of 130kmh Bhuvaneshwar Kumar, Khaleel Ahmed and Nataranjan. This has been the argument throughout in the last week or so.
 
Can you please list the international bowlers in PSL and justify the 1 point difference?

Wait, I will make it easy for you.

Overseas bowlers in PSL 2019:

Zahir Khan
Aaron Summers
Viljoen
Lamichhane
Chris Green
Qais
Tymal Mills
Chris Jordan
Max Waller
Gurney
Fawad Ahmad

Overseas bowlers in PSL 2020:

Steyn
Tymal Mills
Fawad Ahmed
Chris Jordan
McClenaghan
Prassana

This is embarrassing beyond embarrassing.

How do you justify the 1 point gap? :101:
Imran Tahir, Moen Ali and Adil Rashid, and many All rounders.
 
And it is full of inconsistencies and wrong comparisons as I mentioned in my previous post. No one is arguing IPL is a better league due to financial pull and separate window, but bowling standards are not much better.

Are you telling me that PSL can field a better attack than Rabada Nortje Ishant and Mishra. All four international bowlers.

Now don't tell me some no name domestic guy is better, because he hasn't played international cricket to justify being compared to any international player.
 
The hypothesis has been given that "Quality of bowling in PSL is superior to that of in the IPL" but what are the parameters upon which one has proven this hypothesis? Nobody knows, except some nationalism mixed with low scores in the PSL.

To me that is ridiculously absurd. I don't think there is any evidence to suggest the quality of bowling is superior in PSL. The one way you can judge whose bowling is superior is if both the bowling attacks are exposed to the same elements. On one hand you have guys like Umaid Asif, Sameen Gul, Irfan Jr, Haris Rauf, Mohammad Nawaz, Akif Javed bowling to the likes of Ramdin, Walton, Sohail Akhtar, Azam Khan, Saad Nasim whereas on the other side you have guys like Deepak Chahar, Saini, Mavi, Bishnoi bowling to the likes of De Villiers, Kohli, KL Rahul, Samson, Kishan, Rana. How is that even a fair comparison? Based on what has it been decreed that PSL bowling is greater?

The Pakistani bowlers get away with murder simply by bowling to an incredibly poor batting lineup who are mostly mid-wicket hacks and can't improvise at all. You bowl a wide off-stump line and 9 times out of 10 the PSL batsmen are slogging across the line towards mid-wicket. These same bowlers then got a royal pasting once the PSL shifted to Pakistan on true batting pitches by even these mediocre batsmen. I can only imagine what the likes of Kohli, De Villiers, Buttler, Warner would do to them on grounds like Chennai, Bangalore. It would be a massacre.

People say you just have to see how De Villiers and Gayle flopped in PSL but look like kings in IPL as if that is the evidence of PSL bowling being superior. (De Villiers by the way hasn't been a flop). The problem with that line of argument is that it goes both ways. Wahab Riaz gets murdered in T20 internationals against top teams but is highly economical in the PSL. Luke Ronchi will never play for NZ again yet annihilates PSL bowling time after time. I can provide many example but let's just put this argument aside as it's not a convincing one.

If this was 2007-2010 and there was a PSL at that time and people said that the PSL bowling is superior to IPL bowling, then there would've been some merit in that argument. During those years Pakistan were the best T20 team in the world and actually had world class bowlers. Umar Gul was at the height of his powers, Ajmal was exceptional, Afridi, Hafeez, Shoaib Akhtar, Sohail Tanvir, Mohammad Asif, Mohammad Amir. That was a genuinely good time for Pakistan bowling. However to suggest that PSL bowling at this moment in IPL is superior is quite absurd.

Living in denial can never benefit anyone. Pakistan had always led India in bowling but since 2010, that advantage has also vanished. There's no use not accepting that fact and trying to prove that Shadab and Imad are still better bowlers than Kuldeep and Chahal. Or that Bumrah, Shami and Ishant are not better than Shaheen, Naseem and Abbas.

But as I mentioned in my other post on another thread, there is no use comparing PSL and IPL. Both are in separate leagues altogether. There is a complete mismatch in quality. But that doesn't mean PSL deserves to go into the trash can. PSL is doing the best it can with whatever resources it has. So let it be. No need to try to force it to be better than the IPL in any dimension.

Biased post. Wahab gets murdered in international T20. With a average of 26 and economy of 7.9 you say he gets murdered by top teams which is false.

Regarding Luke Ronchi he had a good season and a half. Not like he making runs time after time. Malan wasn't even in England set up when he played PSL and look where he is now so don't know what your actual point is. So Ronchi made some runs so PSL is a poor league with poor bowlers.
And in IPL and guy who hits 5 sixes in a over is batting talent as he hit them against a so called T20 World Cup champion bowler.
 
Biased post. Wahab gets murdered in international T20. With a average of 26 and economy of 7.9 you say he gets murdered by top teams which is false.

Regarding Luke Ronchi he had a good season and a half. Not like he making runs time after time. Malan wasn't even in England set up when he played PSL and look where he is now so don't know what your actual point is. So Ronchi made some runs so PSL is a poor league with poor bowlers.
And in IPL and guy who hits 5 sixes in a over is batting talent as he hit them against a so called T20 World Cup champion bowler.

Rahul Tewatia is a batting talent like Dilbar hussain is bowling talent.
 
Sunrisers are the only team that depend heavily on foreign players both bowling and batting....even against them Ishant goes over 8 rpo...... a 38 year old becomes strike bowler.......we in PSL atleast don't see Saheens Naseems Hasnains ....even Musas getting benched by an oldie ........
 
Tewatia is an allrounder dear who gives and makes runs...LOLs........what a night it was ...Yuvi ka aatma sama gya tha uske andar........ I think bowlers are paid in millions even the lollipop Undakat to fed the batsmen ......they bowl just for the sake of bowling........

Dilbar is primarily a strike bowler Who averages 27 in t20s.....

Averages 27 in poor leagues.

Dilbar will average 57 in IPL.
 
Are you telling me that PSL can field a better attack than Rabada Nortje Ishant and Mishra. All four international bowlers.

Now don't tell me some no name domestic guy is better, because he hasn't played international cricket to justify being compared to any international player.
Apart from Rabada none are that special in T20s
 
Averages 27 in poor leagues.

Dilbar will average 57 in IPL.

He is not in Pak plans and has only played t20s primarily......so no point in what happen if that could not happen...... LOL....Undakat Mavi et all will have 60 average in every nook and corner of the world
 
27 is a good avg in a league? Really?

You are making unsubstantiated fixing claims of bowlers being paid to feed batsmen.

What u will say when u see they bowl to the strength of batsman....bowling every ball at same pace and length.......ha ha....I will call it spoon feeding.....if not fixing......Undakat was reportedly paid in crores to showcase his slower skills.....LOL
 
He is not in Pak plans and has only played t20s primarily......so no point in what happen if that could not happen...... LOL....Undakat Mavi et all will have 60 average in every nook and corner of the world

Unadkat has actually played T20Is and avgs 21. Better level of cricket. Better avg than Dilbar Hussain m
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] can you please back up your claim of Cottrel being a T20 world champion and Currans regulars in T20I. You claimed this to back up their selection but since you been caught out you have ignored the question.
 
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