What's new

Quality of bowling in PSL is definitely superior to IPL

Unadkat at 28 is similar age group to Dilbar or Rauf.

Who is this every body? Unadkat is picked in teans for a specific role, he is there to take the pace off the ball to make hitting difficult. What you expect of him isnt important.

Unadkat has shown that he has better stats in international cricket than Dilbar or Rauf in league cricket. What skills he uses to get those stats isnt important.

Anything that please u.......RAuf is 25 26...... Dilbar hardly has played anything beyond t20s.......
It seems most of local bowlers are assigned similar role to take pace off.....
May be that's suits him....

He won't get even a penny in anywhere except IPL...... Just like Yusuf pathan .....
 
Faheem is a highly underrated pacer .....he would get hit in subcontinent but will be useful in english condition...
no. just no. Please just stop. faheem is not good enough man.

better than unadkat and rajpoot but not that good.
infact unadkat is better in subcontinent.
 
Anything that please u.......RAuf is 25 26...... Dilbar hardly has played anything beyond t20s.......
It seems most of local bowlers are assigned similar role to take pace off.....
May be that's suits him....

He won't get even a penny in anywhere except IPL...... Just like Yusuf pathan .....

dilbar and rauf? are they better than natarajan? I am.not so sure hey. it's a tough matchup.
 
no. just no. Please just stop. faheem is not good enough man.

better than unadkat and rajpoot but not that good.
infact unadkat is better in subcontinent.

Not subcontinent .....in english condition he can be handy ......
 
dilbar and rauf? are they better than natarajan? I am.not so sure hey. it's a tough matchup.

Who cares ......NATRAJAN has one good match....RAuf has an entire good Bash season......NATRAJAN is almost 30 btw..... RAuf 26..... Pak is not serious about Dilbar.....who only plays t20s.....
 
Who cares ......NATRAJAN has one good match....RAuf has an entire good Bash season......NATRAJAN is almost 30 btw..... RAuf 26..... Pak is not serious about Dilbar.....who only plays t20s.....

oh ok. fair enough. rauf was good in Bbl. Not sure if he can replicate that form in tests though? would he be good in odi?
 
oh ok. fair enough. rauf was good in Bbl. Not sure if he can replicate that form in tests though? would he be good in odi?

Why are we talking about tests and ODI when the thread is about PSL and IPL? Cummins for example, is half the limited overs bowler he is in Tests. KKR wasted a lot of money on him, surely you don’t agree with him being the highest overseas auction ever?
 
Why are we talking about tests and ODI when the thread is about PSL and IPL? Cummins for example, is half the limited overs bowler he is in Tests. KKR wasted a lot of money on him, surely you don’t agree with him being the highest overseas auction ever?

cummins? he is a fraud in t20 and odi. such an overrated player.

I don't even rate him in tests outside Australia and south africa. what has he done In subcontinent? nothing.

He is good in England and I am not sure If he played in n.z.
 
oh ok. fair enough. rauf was good in Bbl. Not sure if he can replicate that form in tests though? would he be good in odi?

Not enough sample to judge him......need a bit polishing ....but has good Yorker.....bouncer so can be handy at death
 
Why are we talking about tests and ODI when the thread is about PSL and IPL? Cummins for example, is half the limited overs bowler he is in Tests. KKR wasted a lot of money on him, surely you don’t agree with him being the highest overseas auction ever?

Even he wouldn’t agree with it. Clearly SRK being his narcissistic self preferred to have Cummins for the global image of his Franchise
 
Said it time. And again.....

Tyagi and Porel are only. Future hope....
 
Anything that please u.......RAuf is 25 26...... Dilbar hardly has played anything beyond t20s.......
It seems most of local bowlers are assigned similar role to take pace off.....
May be that's suits him....

He won't get even a penny in anywhere except IPL...... Just like Yusuf pathan .....

Retired indians like Munaf Patel are being taken in SLPL.

Point is simple, Rauf and Dilbar have performed worse in domestic leagues than Unadkat in internationals.

Indian players dont go to foreign leagues, as they are not in need of any pennies.

Leave unadkat, any Indian puts his name anywhere, he will be bought. Why? because he is rare commodity.
 
Why are we talking about tests and ODI when the thread is about PSL and IPL? Cummins for example, is half the limited overs bowler he is in Tests. KKR wasted a lot of money on him, surely you don’t agree with him being the highest overseas auction ever?

Cummins avg in t20Is is 20.62 and ecom 6.93 .

How many current pakistanis have better stats?

Just because you have the delusion that he isnt good, doesn't mean he isnt good.

Out of 3 matches, he has done very well in two.
 
I saw yesterday and he looked ok but looked short of the zip he had previously.

His figures read 4 over 2 for 20. Against a team that has Smith Buttler Samson among top 3 and had scored 200 plus in last 2 matches.

If thats only a OK performance, well i hope your bowlers do better in front of similar quality batters
 
His figures read 4 over 2 for 20. Against a team that has Smith Buttler Samson among top 3 and had scored 200 plus in last 2 matches.

If thats only a OK performance, well i hope your bowlers do better in front of similar quality batters

Its not the figures I look at, I look at the whole picture and to me he has lost has zipped and that after only 2 years after the U19 WC. It seemed that his action has also changed.
 
Its not the figures I look at, I look at the whole picture and to me he has lost has zipped and that after only 2 years after the U19 WC. It seemed that his action has also changed.

He was injured last year and returned to cricket after 18 months.

His action hasnt been changed. Still will try to fund out if it was.
 
cummins? he is a fraud in t20 and odi. such an overrated player.

I don't even rate him in tests outside Australia and south africa. what has he done In subcontinent? nothing.

He is good in England and I am not sure If he played in n.z.

The only reason I’m asking is because his name is taken in every single IPL vs PSL thread as if he’s a fantastic limited overs bowler.
 
Cummins avg in t20Is is 20.62 and ecom 6.93 .

How many current pakistanis have better stats?

Just because you have the delusion that he isnt good, doesn't mean he isnt good.

Out of 3 matches, he has done very well in two.

Those are GOAT T20I stats :afridi clearly better than Malinga who has an average at 20.8 :salute
 
The only reason I’m asking is because his name is taken in every single IPL vs PSL thread as if he’s a fantastic limited overs bowler.

His stats in T20s are better than Amir and Shaheen's. So yes he is a very good T20 bowler, if not then pakistanis are even worse.
 
Any thoughts on Akmal leading the chart?

Smit Patel making the batsmen dancing for his tune?

I think because Kamran has played against Pakistqni bowlers in domestic cricket he knows what to do. But IPL heroes like Chris Gayle who scored unbelievable runs in IPL could do nothing against the Pakistani players. To a point he never ever got picked again after like 2 seasons
 
Bhai you are Abdullah dewana here, talking about IPL owners and why they spend their money as if its your money.

Yes Indian players will refuse psl or any league unless offered amounts thats much more than IPL.

IPL offers players much more than they can earn in their domestic league to get them to play the ipl.

BCCI won't allow.....even the Pathans and Rainas........we may see change but they won't play in PSL for obvious reasons..
 
His figures read 4 over 2 for 20. Against a team that has Smith Buttler Samson among top 3 and had scored 200 plus in last 2 matches.

If thats only a OK performance, well i hope your bowlers do better in front of similar quality batters

RAuf took 4 for 24 in 4 overs.......yesterday in a much flat deck......so what...
The bowler of that match for me is Archer
 
RAuf took 4 for 24 in 4 overs.......yesterday in a much flat deck......so what...
The bowler of that match for me is Archer

4/24 bowling to nobodies like Umar Siddiq, Hussain Talat etc. is very different from 2/20 bowling to Jose Butler, Smith etc.
 
Comparing T20 cup performances to IPL performances is like comparing Rohit Sharma's double against Australia to Fakhar Zaman's double against Zimbabwe A. :)))

I mean both are ODI double hundreds but....
 
Comparing T20 cup performances to IPL performances is like comparing Rohit Sharma's double against Australia to Fakhar Zaman's double against Zimbabwe A. :)))

I mean both are ODI double hundreds but....

When. People can compare tests to IPL and PSL performances.....when. Ppl can set 200 test wickets as benchmark of t20 selection....when ppl can hail a no. 1 test bowler who is not even in top 15 of t20 rankings... Why not I....

When talk is of local pacers ......and I have only IPL and national t20 to judge....what will i do....

😊😊.....Khusdil has list A ave of 53......and a t20 SR of 129..... and the team has the likes of Shoaib Maqsood Talat Shan Masood......all have represented Pak ....Umar siddiq has a decent list A record
 
When. People can compare tests to IPL and PSL performances.....when. Ppl can set 200 test wickets as benchmark of t20 selection....when ppl can hail a no. 1 test bowler who is not even in top 15 of t20 rankings... Why not I....

When talk is of local pacers ......and I have only IPL and national t20 to judge....what will i do....

😊😊.....Khusdil has list A ave of 53......and a t20 SR of 129..... and the team has the likes of Shoaib Maqsood Talat Shan Masood......all have represented Pak ....Umar siddiq has a decent list A record

Who are these players?

Are they equivalent to the likes of Buttler Smith etc?
 
Buttler Smith don't play in syed Mushtaq Ali Buchi Bapu......I guess....so no question. Of playing in National t20


So why are you comparing performances against these batsmen in the IPL to those in National T20 against no bodies?
 
KP Commentating on tight finishes is thrilling

I’m still loving it out in here in the UAE.

I’ve been busy commentating on the games, and what’s been so good about it is how close some of them have been.

I’ve been in the commentary box calling both of the Super Overs so far, and they really get you buzzing.

You’re standing up instead of sitting down and the emotions really start to flow.

I’ve really enjoyed the pace of the tournament so far. It’s reinforced that the IPL is hands down the best T20 tournament in the world.

The batting has been impressive…

Some of the batting that we’ve seen has been outstanding. It’s been difficult to call games in the last few overs, in particular Rajasthan Royals’ chase against Kings XI Punjab, and RCB v Mumbai Indians.

Batting has improved an awful lot. I’ve spoken to former international players who played on the ground at Sharjah and they have told me that players used to get caught on the boundary all the time – it was a difficult one to clear.

What they’re seeing now are players who are completely destroying any boundary on any ground.

That’s because batsmen practise range-hitting, they practise hitting sixes, they are really fit guys, who do a lot of weight sessions, and their timing is really good.

That lends itself to very accomplished six-hitting.

…but the death bowling has been dreadful

The bowling has been way off the standard required. It’s been dreadful.

I’ve hardly seen anyone hit their yorkers perfectly. The best example of somebody doing it well was Kagiso Rabada’s Super Over for Delhi against Kings XI, when he knocked over two batsmen. He seems to be the best, alongside Jasprit Bumrah.

None of the other bowlers are going to it. They’re not even practising it by the looks of things.

Lasith Malinga, who was the greatest yorker bowler, used to practise before a game. All he would do was bowl yorkers, and repetition trains the brain.

There are a lot of theories going around about slower balls and slower-ball bouncers so batsmen can only hit one side of the ground, and so on.

You can vary it up a little bit, but I think a lot more time should be spent practising the perfect yorker.
The best example was during Rahul Tewatia’s innings for Rajasthan against KXIP last week.

Tewatia can clearly bat – his captain Steve smith and coach Andrew McDonald had seen him play some big shots in practise – but he got off to a very sticky start.

One big shot can change everything for a batsman, but the bowling to him was dreadful. There were balls on his hip, short balls and there were hardly any yorkers. There was no discipline with the ball.

The death bowling has been a cause for concern for a lot of teams.

I wrote before the tournament how excited I was to see Shubman Gill bat in this IPL, and I haven’t been disappointed.

He’s batted brilliantly – scoring 70* against Sunrisers Hyderabad before getting his team off to another great start against Rajasthan most recently.

I think he should be the captain of Kolkata Knight Riders as well.

He could work alongside Eoin Morgan, who would be a great tutor, and could replicate the work that Shreyas Iyer is doing with the Delhi Capitals.
 
So why are you comparing performances against these batsmen in the IPL to those in National T20 against no bodies?

Bcoz it is the only tournament going in Pak where we can see local bowlers .....and it helps us to see both bowlers from both side.....at same time.......good bowling will always be noticeable ........
 
There is no doubt that overall bowling standard of ipl is greater than psl. If hasnain or rauf or dibar were better than cummins,boult or bumrah they would have already played mpre matches and taken more wickets than them. However a better comparison would be between pakistani local bowlers in indian local bowlers and i dont believe unadkat,tewatia and other trundlers are better than hasnain who has taken a hattrick or rauf who was amobg the hisghest wicket takers in bbl. Shaheen is miles ahead and even faheem has a couple of 5fers and 4 fers.
 
Bcoz it is the only tournament going in Pak where we can see local bowlers .....and it helps us to see both bowlers from both side.....at same time.......good bowling will always be noticeable ........

Bowling is proportional to the batsman facing.

What is good bowling versus domestic or avg batsmen may not be good versus international or world class batsmen.
 
There is no doubt that overall bowling standard of ipl is greater than psl. If hasnain or rauf or dibar were better than cummins,boult or bumrah they would have already played mpre matches and taken more wickets than them. However a better comparison would be between pakistani local bowlers in indian local bowlers and i dont believe unadkat,tewatia and other trundlers are better than hasnain who has taken a hattrick or rauf who was amobg the hisghest wicket takers in bbl. Shaheen is miles ahead and even faheem has a couple of 5fers and 4 fers.

Tewatia is a spin bowling all rounder. :facepalm:

And why are you comparing Unadkat, a guy who last played for India almost three years ago to an active Pakistani bowler like Hasnain.

Besides , Unadkat has better average at the same economy as Hasnain. So how is Hasnain better? Because he didn't get hit by Ramdin, Dunk and Asif Ali in the PSL?
 
Hasnain has preformed better against dunk,asif and babar in psl (average of 18) then unadkat against srilanka and bangladesh. If u take out his wickets against bangladesh his average is 25. Hasnain is still only 21 years old and has time to improve. I agree Batting quality of ipl is greater but that still dosent mean u can average 30 like unadqat.
 
Tewatia is a spin bowling all rounder. :facepalm:

And why are you comparing Unadkat, a guy who last played for India almost three years ago to an active Pakistani bowler like Hasnain.

Besides , Unadkat has better average at the same economy as Hasnain. So how is Hasnain better? Because he didn't get hit by Ramdin, Dunk and Asif Ali in the PSL?

Hasnain is still not a regular at best he is in 24 member squad....and may be in 15 man or 16 man t20 squad
 
There is no doubt that overall bowling standard of ipl is greater than psl. If hasnain or rauf or dibar were better than cummins,boult or bumrah they would have already played mpre matches and taken more wickets than them. However a better comparison would be between pakistani local bowlers in indian local bowlers and i dont believe unadkat,tewatia and other trundlers are better than hasnain who has taken a hattrick or rauf who was amobg the hisghest wicket takers in bbl. Shaheen is miles ahead and even faheem has a couple of 5fers and 4 fers.

If Rauf and Hasnain are better or if Dilbar is better why are their stats not better than say a Unadkat? And i am talking about statsvof Unadkat in international cricket vs stats of dilbar Rauf etc in leagues.

Shaheen is pakistan's number one bowler, his comparison is with Bumrah or Shami.
 
If Rauf and Hasnain are better or if Dilbar is better why are their stats not better than say a Unadkat? And i am talking about statsvof Unadkat in international cricket vs stats of dilbar Rauf etc in leagues.

Shaheen is pakistan's number one bowler, his comparison is with Bumrah or Shami.

Mohammed Sam who has been out of Pakistans squad for 4 years has better T20I stats then some of your strike bowlers league stats. So in that case Sami is better then all Indian bowlers except Bumrah.
 
If Rauf and Hasnain are better or if Dilbar is better why are their stats not better than say a Unadkat? And i am talking about statsvof Unadkat in international cricket vs stats of dilbar Rauf etc in leagues.

Shaheen is pakistan's number one bowler, his comparison is with Bumrah or Shami.

When u r constructing a dam
 
Mohammed Sam who has been out of Pakistans squad for 4 years has better T20I stats then some of your strike bowlers league stats. So in that case Sami is better then all Indian bowlers except Bumrah.

Sami is 39. Next you will bring Wasim Waqar and Saqlain?

Unadkat Dilbar Rauf are all in their 20s. 26 to 28.
 
Need to bring that same magic to international matches too.
 
PSL has the worst batting and bowling among all leagues. A true reflection of the mediocrity that Pakistan cricket is.
 
So how was Natrajan's Yorkers yesterday

Natrajan won us a T20I series in Aus. Champions of PSL got whitewashed by England C, even Ireland competed better than PSL superstars against a much stronger England side last year.

And this isn't even the most humiliating performance for the champions of PSL, who were thrashed by NZ domestic reserves and recently graduated U19 boys just 7 months ago :snothappy
 
Saying this for ages.....PSL local fast bowlers don't bowl to current top batsman of International cricket in PSL hence they are wrapped up in a fake bubble. They mostly bowl to Pakistan batters (who we already know aren't anything special in general) or supporting batsman of other countries ( either oldies or TTF or upcoming). That's is why once they are on International stage, they are mercilessly exposed.

Naseem, Musa, Hasnain, Rauf looked good in PSL but got destroyed in International cricket.
Even Pakistan current best bowler- Shaheen and Hasan are ON/OFF against top teams.

On top of that, there is a hype brigade for upgrade talent. Current hyped fast bowler is Dahani. But I am reserving my judgement till he bowls to some top batsman on world stage.

Clearly, PSL is very poor standard for a fast bowler to be judged.
 
It was always a myth but glad to see it's been exposed so wonderfully in England.

Although PSL is a good tournament but it's nowhere near the quality of IPL, I'd actually rank it at four behind IPL, CPL and BBL respectively.
 
PSL is a very low class league considering how easily the PSL Superstars were thumped by a C Grade English side. All the big talks about being the T20 league with the best quality of bowling, yet they can't even defend 330 against an amateur English side.
 
PSL is a very low class league considering how easily the PSL Superstars were thumped by a C Grade English side. All the big talks about being the T20 league with the best quality of bowling, yet they can't even defend 330 against an amateur English side.

Different format.
 
PSL is a very low class league considering how easily the PSL Superstars were thumped by a C Grade English side. All the big talks about being the T20 league with the best quality of bowling, yet they can't even defend 330 against an amateur English side.

Uhh. India with the IPL has lost to Bangladesh who were not much a side back then a few times as well. This is Cricket. Things happen.
 
That Bangladesh team can beat this last series odi English team any day of year.

Leftovers of Afghanistan in test cricket and West Indies at home arent beating anyone. Sorry
 
Batting this year has been better than all previous season.

Score and batting standards are similar to the IPL.
 
Batting this year has been better than all previous season.

Score and batting standards are similar to the IPL.

Thats because the boundaries are very short. Edges and mishits are flying for sixes.

Bowlers havent bowled bad, they have smaller boundaries causing problems.

Most of the shots that fly near the boundary would be considered out in international.
 
Thats because the boundaries are very short. Edges and mishits are flying for sixes.

Bowlers havent bowled bad, they have smaller boundaries causing problems.

Most of the shots that fly near the boundary would be considered out in international.

That's concerning, we will be playing with big boundaries in Australia so this isn't ideal preparation.
 
Don't buy the bowling quality argument. Bowlers are not tested against the Elite T-20 players like ABD, Stokes, Maxwell, Warner and co. Just one game by Jason Roy and the bowlers looked totally clueless. Bowling quality can only be judged when you have the elite IPL players playing in the PSL.
 
Don't buy the bowling quality argument. Bowlers are not tested against the Elite T-20 players like ABD, Stokes, Maxwell, Warner and co. Just one game by Jason Roy and the bowlers looked totally clueless. Bowling quality can only be judged when you have the elite IPL players playing in the PSL.

Likewise, don't judge from one innings either.
 
Thats because the boundaries are very short. Edges and mishits are flying for sixes.

Bowlers havent bowled bad, they have smaller boundaries causing problems.

Most of the shots that fly near the boundary would be considered out in international.

Yes how many 65m or even 70m boundary hits have we seen?
 
Watch the WC match between India and Pakistan a few months ago.

Made your superstars look clueless.

Thread is about PSL vs IPL

Matthew wade too hammered your superstars and made them clueless, what is u r point?
 
Last edited:
Why do people keep comparing IPL with PSL.Give one valid reason.There are two leagues played in two different countries.There is no connection between the two.
 
Yes how many 65m or even 70m boundary hits have we seen?

About 80% of them.

Zaman khan who was hit today, on a proper boundary setting that would had been a catch.

This is wjy multan sultans had taller men standing near the boundary to stop those easy runs.
 
Thread is about PSL vs IPL

Matthew wade too hammered your superstars and made them clueless, what is u r point?

Yes the point is your IPL superstars were clueless against Shaheen. So much so that Harbhajan said a single delivery wasn't bowled like the one to dismiss KL Rahul.

Any reason why cricketers around the world say the bowling standards of the PSL are the highest in all leagues?
 
Yes the point is your IPL superstars were clueless against Shaheen. So much so that Harbhajan said a single delivery wasn't bowled like the one to dismiss KL Rahul.

Any reason why cricketers around the world say the bowling standards of the PSL are the highest in all leagues?


Most Angrezi cricketers/experts are still stuck in the early 2000s and use the same old cliches for subcontinent teams. Like "India have a straang batting lineup", " Indians are the besht players of spin", "Pakistan has great phasht bowlers/bowling attack", "Sri Lanka has class batsmen" , "Bangladesh are young/exciting team" and many more just for the sake of it.

You can't just claim to have the "best bowling standards" when the league's batting crop is barely above average. Simple logic..
 
IPL has better bowling quality. Why??

Reason is simple. In IPL, below top LOI batsman are featured:-

1. Virat Kohli
2. AB de Villiers
3. Rohit Sharma
4. David Warner
5. Steven Smith
6. Kane Williamson
7. Jos Buttler

These are the 7 out of 8 best LOI or overall cricketers ( since we are talking about bowling quality) in last 10 years with only Root being an exception. Then you have got the likes of Bairstow, Roy, Morgan, Stokes, Faf, Miller, Qdk, Maxwell, Pollard, Pooran, Hetmyer, Bravo etc too.
 
Thats because the boundaries are very short. Edges and mishits are flying for sixes.

Bowlers havent bowled bad, they have smaller boundaries causing problems.

Most of the shots that fly near the boundary would be considered out in international.

The pitches have been flat also.
 
IPL has better bowling quality. Why??

Reason is simple. In IPL, below top LOI batsman are featured:-

1. Virat Kohli
2. AB de Villiers
3. Rohit Sharma
4. David Warner
5. Steven Smith
6. Kane Williamson
7. Jos Buttler

These are the 7 out of 8 best LOI or overall cricketers ( since we are talking about bowling quality) in last 10 years with only Root being an exception. Then you have got the likes of Bairstow, Roy, Morgan, Stokes, Faf, Miller, Qdk, Maxwell, Pollard, Pooran, Hetmyer, Bravo etc too.


You've made no sense, why type batsmen names in and then says ipl has better bowlers to psl??? :sarf_facepalm
 
Back
Top