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Quality of bowling in PSL is definitely superior to IPL

finalfantasy7 said:
You've made no sense, why type batsmen names in and then says ipl has better bowlers to psl??? :sarf_facepalm
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Not the first time he has done this lol. Rather than talking about the performance of bowlers he is bringing in the quality of batsmen to debate. Guys like Kohli, Williamson, ABD and Warner always scores runs against bowlers in IPL? How about someone like Hardik Pandya who is an IPL superstar but fails against the same bowlers in International cricket? :91: :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Not the first time he has done this lol. Rather than talking about the performance of bowlers he is bringing in the quality of batsmen to debate. Guys like Kohli, Williamson, ABD and Warner always scores runs against bowlers in IPL? How about someone like Hardik Pandya who is an IPL superstar but fails against the same bowlers in International cricket? :91: :inti
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Pandya's stats are almost similar in international T20s and IPL. His job is to come and smack 10-12 balls at the end, which I believe he does pretty well.
 
Kaptan said:
Pandya's stats are almost similar in international T20s and IPL. His job is to come and smack 10-12 balls at the end, which I believe he does pretty well.
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Then fans shouldn't call him an allrounder or someone who can play as a batsman alone. If he is only there to smack 10-12 balls then what was he doing in the semi final of WC 2019 lol? How many matches has he won for India batting like that? His fans are surely running out of ideas to defend him these days. :inti
 
This PSL has been the worst as far as quality of cricket is concerned.poor batting and bowling, spin pace everything, only LQ has better attack.
 
I don't get why people say boundaries are small. Many areas have over 75M+ boundary.
 
ARK Rafay said:
I don't get why people say boundaries are small. Many areas have over 75M+ boundary.
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Don't you know? Bcs if it's a small boundaries players can go hard on bowlers knowing even mishits can clears the boundary.. but if it's a bigger boundaries there'll be doubts and they'll be bit hesitant to go big every time compared to small boundaries..

Edit: sorry, i thought you were saying most of sixes were 75+ meter long..
 
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In todays match between Quetta and Multan, Quetta opened with two 40 year olds that haven't played international cricket for many years.

It was embarrassing.

Yes Irfan bowled ok but I had to rub my eyes to make sure I wasn't watching highlights of a game from 5 years ago.

So much for quality of bowling being superior.
 
PSL bowling has always been garbage and at no point better than IPL. It always uses to make me laugh and it showed the level of delusion and ignorance among our fans.

Throughout the PSL era, the local Pakistani bowling has been subpar at best and PSL have always lacked world class, international pacers in their prime.

The likes of Starc, Boult, Rabada, Cummins, Archer (before he hit his peak), Hazlewood etc. never played in PSL, so how could PSL’s bowling have been great?

The reason why PSL bowling looked good and we saw low scores was because of two factors: the standard of batting, especially local batting, was associate level and the UAE pitches were sluggish.

The Pakistani matches in PSL, starting from 2018 onwards, were always high scoring.

This year’s PSL has been the best in terms of batting quality. I have been impressed by the local batsmen for once. Almost every local young batsman has stepped up and we have noticed improvement in power-hitting.

The prominent batsmen have all been in good touch except a few like Babar Azam.

It has certainly been the best PSL in terms of batting performances but it remains to be seen if it is just a fluke or if Pakistani is finally producing some skilled batsmen.
 
I would like to start WW3 and suggest that based upon :

RR 217/5 (20)

KKR 210 (19.4)

it seems that bowling isnt that great in IPL :D
 
MenInG said:
I would like to start WW3 and suggest that based upon :

RR 217/5 (20)

KKR 210 (19.4)

it seems that bowling isnt that great in IPL :D
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Smbhayi said:
Well it's bowling that wins this match for RR..
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To support my claim

It's a proper cricket ground, one square boundary is long at 79m while the other is short at 66m, huge pockets at either ends as well. This is a beautiful wicket, has lots of grass on it, very hard and could be a high-scoring game. A batting paradise, bowlers will hope that there'll be now dew, reckons Matthew Hayden, in his pitch report
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MenInG said:
I would like to start WW3 and suggest that based upon :

RR 217/5 (20)

KKR 210 (19.4)

it seems that bowling isnt that great in IPL :D
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Well the batsmanship is of superior quality, you find bowlers like Cummins and Boult going for 11-12 runs an over.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Well the batsmanship is of superior quality, you find bowlers like Cummins and Boult going for 11-12 runs an over.
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Cummings is only on a holiday clearly trying harder on his batting than bowling. Not sure a day will come when he will go at above 10 an over consistently in international cricket against on average higher quality players.
Back to the point I dont know on what basis someone can consistently say bowling quality is better in PSL? I would say that its mostly the batting friendly pitches in IPL that makes most bowlers just bowling machine.
 
Pakhs said:
Cummings is only on a holiday clearly trying harder on his batting than bowling. Not sure a day will come when he will go at above 10 an over consistently in international cricket against on average higher quality players.
Back to the point I dont know on what basis someone can consistently say bowling quality is better in PSL? I would say that its mostly the batting friendly pitches in IPL that makes most bowlers just bowling machine.
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Cummins has actually worked hard on his batting during the off season. David Hussey the KKR assistant coach revealed that.

I judge players by their fielding efforts and Cummins have been brilliant in the field. You don't disrespect a million dollar cheque, and try to get it again the next year.

Yes i agree that pitches in India are lot more true than its in the PSL, but the overall batting quality is higher as well.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Cummins has actually worked hard on his batting during the off season. David Hussey the KKR assistant coach revealed that.

I judge players by their fielding efforts and Cummins have been brilliant in the field. You don't disrespect a million dollar cheque, and try to get it again the next year.

Yes i agree that pitches in India are lot more true than its in the PSL, but the overall batting quality is higher as well.
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Cummins know that he will always get selected for IPL and he is from a relatively rich country where making money is not an issue for him. Frankly he is bowling like one.
 
Pakhs said:
Cummins know that he will always get selected for IPL and he is from a relatively rich country where making money is not an issue for him. Frankly he is bowling like one.
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Making 1mn usd is not easy anywhere. That too in 8 weeks.

Cummins always have had a hot and cold IPL. His second phase is usually better. Like last year.
 
Pakhs said:
Cummings is only on a holiday clearly trying harder on his batting than bowling..
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For arguments sake let’s entertain this for a second.

If a professional is getting paid a million $ for eight weeks of work and he treats it like a holiday, that reflects more on that individual than it does on the organization.

I mean for any normal human being with basic morals and ethics, that kind of money would mean a lot of pressure and accountability.

either you are telling me Pat Cummins is an unprofessional slacker or you don’t understand professional accountability.
 
MenInG said:
I would like to start WW3 and suggest that based upon :

RR 217/5 (20)

KKR 210 (19.4)

it seems that bowling isnt that great in IPL :D
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So no one scores over 200 in PSL ?

I am assuming due to the super fast grenades being thrown around by the Pakistani fast bowlers and the unplayable spinners the par score in PSL is about 50-75?
 
Local.Dada said:
For arguments sake let’s entertain this for a second.

If a professional is getting paid a million $ for eight weeks of work and he treats it like a holiday, that reflects more on that individual than it does on the organization.

I mean for any normal human being with basic morals and ethics, that kind of money would mean a lot of pressure and accountability.

either you are telling me Pat Cummins is an unprofessional slacker or you don’t understand professional accountability.
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I am telling you Cummings is not trying as hard or care as much as he does when he plays for Australia. For some players its natural they just instinctively play better for their home country.

I was not trying to belittle IPL or anything that was not even the conversation.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Making 1mn usd is not easy anywhere. That too in 8 weeks.

Cummins always have had a hot and cold IPL. His second phase is usually better. Like last year.
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But he is never hot and cold for Australia just his whole bowling is not at the same level. Naturally he is struggling to be as motivated.
 
Pakhs said:
But he is never hot and cold for Australia just his whole bowling is not at the same level. Naturally he is struggling to be as motivated.
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I think you are confused with Pat Cummins the Test bowler. Cummins is a okay LOI bowler even for Australia. He has not been a world beater in the white ball formats so far, Starc on the other hand has been. The reason Cummins does not play too many LOI's for Australia. Just 108 games (ODI+T20I) for Australia so far, averages 28 in ODIs and 22 in T20I's.
 
giri26 said:
I think you are confused with Pat Cummins the Test bowler. Cummins is a okay LOI bowler even for Australia. He has not been a world beater in the white ball formats so far, Starc on the other hand has been. The reason Cummins does not play too many LOI's for Australia. Just 108 games (ODI+T20I) for Australia so far, averages 28 in ODIs and 22 in T20I's.
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Although you are right however it still does not explain such poor bowling from him consistently.
 
Pakhs said:
Although you are right however it still does not explain such poor bowling from him consistently.
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The reason being that he does not play too many white ball games for Australia, so he struggles with the lengths at least at the start of a tournament. He improves at the fag end. It is more difficult in the IPL than probably a T20I game at home where you know the conditions well. IPL has absolute flat pitches at most times and has best hitters from around the world. You don't get to set them up like you do in Tests with fielders around the bat. For someone who hardly plays LOIs for Australia it will be difficult to adjust. Sometimes you don't have explanation for few things, for example Mohammad Asif was a brilliant Test bowler but struggled in LOI's for Pakistan. Some bowlers just aren't successful in all formats.

Despite being a good Test bowler Josh Hazlewood on the other had is a better LOI bowler for some reason.
 
Cummins simply doesn't have the variety to be bowling at death in T20s. He should be opening to get the best out of him. In ODIs he can be devastating if there's some reverse on offer
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Atherton "Harry Brook has done pretty well in the PSL which is a good standard competition. It's maybe slightly different from the IPL in terms of you don't see as much spin but there's a lot of good quality pace bowling in the PSL" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1545131574873800705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 7, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Some good bowlers in Pakistan's "cheap" league?
 
MenInG said:
Some good bowlers in Pakistan's "cheap" league?
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Matches against India always bring in that extra spark in the Pak team, that little bit which motivates them to go the extra yard. The pitch had something in it for the bowlers as well but otherwise, these bowlers are just average
 
Right now with his hit-the-deck approach, Dahani makes more sense playing in red ball cricket than white ball cricket.
 
Marooned said:
Dil behlane ko ghalib....

We are more than happy with our bowling bench strength.
Tum apna dekh lo :ssa
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After watching yesterday's match we are also very happy with your bowling bench strength.
:ssa
 
Quality of PSL bowling is a myth. PSL star bowlers struggle to win Tests in SENA and are losing home series left and right. Even in T20s, all the bowlers are getting exposed.
 
PSL ia low level league where Shadab khan is best all-rounder ,Usman Khan is best batsman , Usman mir is best bowler and Iftikhar is best finisher but all are/ were exposed at international level .
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Quality of PSL bowling is a myth. PSL star bowlers struggle to win Tests in SENA and are losing home series left and right. Even in T20s, all the bowlers are getting exposed.
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How does that explain some washed up Cricketers finding it the best bowling league in the world? They lied?
 
The quality of bowling in PSL is somehow just confined to PSL. It is a well kept secret that is never allowed to come onto international games. How else can one explain the constant battering of Pakistan bowlers over past few years. Even BD won 2 tests and did not loose 20 wickets
 
The way batsmen were struggling against Nahid Rana suggests they hardly ever faced a good 145+ bowler
 
Their is a lot of bowling talent in Pakistan but they are not picket because of inept PCB and evil BCCICC
 
'Shake a tree in Pakistan and quality fast bowlers drop like leaves . "

I'm sure there is a 150 kph 16 year old prospect right about to burst onto the scene.
 
Pakistani fast bowlers don't want to reveal the secret of their superior performance in PSL to international teams. They fear it may be copied.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
'Shake a tree in Pakistan and quality fast bowlers drop like leaves . "

I'm sure there is a 150 kph 16 year old prospect right about to burst onto the scene.
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Indians should enjoy this moment and make the most of it because of law of averages its only a matter of time a generational talent emerges. I will say within 12 months.
 
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Flat_Track_Bully said:
Pajeets should enjoy this moment and make the most of it because of law of averages its only a matter of time a generational talent emerges. I will say within 12 months.
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Lol Pak posters are getting mocked for all the insults they dished out at Indian players.

Getting whitewashed to BD at home will not be washed away by generational talent in 12 months.
 
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Flat_Track_Bully said:
Indians should enjoy this moment and make the most of it because of law of averages its only a matter of time a generational talent emerges. I will say within 12 months.
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That's not how "law of averages" work

Sri Lanka would have produced multiple batters of Sanga or Mahela's level in the past decade and there would have been numerous Brian Lara level players from West Indies if we follow your logic.
 
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Well, the title of the thread indeed was for an unworthy bravado & deserves a little bit “retaliation”; but I think relating PSL bowling performance to PCTs Test bowling quality is a bit misleading.

Indeed, PSL’s bowling quality is much, much potent in PSL or as a whole in T20s, because it’s a complete different ball game than what we know as cricket.

But, success in T20/PSL is the main reason of this free fall of PAK bowling - not only fast bowling; take this guy Abrar, a bang average spinner (not sure if he is a leggi or not - BD is among the weakest lineup against Leg Spin & this guy hardly could trouble them); but he can be potent in T20s.

T20 has many adverse impact on the game of cricket - batting, bowling, wicket keeping, even catching, but the biggest damage it does in on bowling. PAK bowling is entrapped in T20 - unless PCB takes initiatives to break free, gradually it’ll die a slow, painful death.
 
PSL stands for "Pathetic Super league"...

Low class bowling, poor batting and worst fielding of all leagues...
 
This thread was opened after a reputed foreign batsman (white) had confessed it to a reputed ex Pakistani cricketer in the sauna.
 
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Quality of bowling can be better in PSL but it is not working in internationals where is actually matters.
 
Mesozoic said:
That's not how "law of averages" work

Sri Lanka would have produced multiple batters of Sanga or Mahela's level in the past decade and there would have been numerous Brian Lara level players from West Indies if we follow your logic.
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When the population is 250 million with cricket being the main sport, it is ineivatable. Just a question of when.

Charismatic, leader, mans man womanizer fast bowling all rounder incoming.
 
PSL is the worst league in the world in every aspect - batting, bowling, fielding, star quality, production, fan experience etc. and that has been the case since day one.

At no point in time was the bowling standard any good. It was just the delusion of Pakistani supporters.
 
PSL was very good for a while. But then they started to make the pitches too batting friendly because our players couldn't clear the boundary. The end result was Phattas and small boundaries.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
PSL was very good for a while. But then they started to make the pitches too batting friendly because our players couldn't clear the boundary. The end result was Phattas and small boundaries.
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PSL 6 or 7. Was peak PSL in terms of everything really.

I'm going to lean with PSL 7 because of Lahore Qalandars first title win.
 
Looking at the poor quality of bowling in first match of IPL 2025 made me instantly miss the quality bowling I used to see in PSL back in the day
 
Bhaijaan said:
Looking at the poor quality of bowling in first match of IPL 2025 made me instantly miss the quality bowling I used to see in PSL back in the day
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PSL? Quality of bowling even in their national T20 is far superior to any Indian bowler bar Bumrah.

They have young speed demon future ATG's like Ali Raza while we have Vaibhav Arora :inti
 
Bhaijaan said:
Looking at the poor quality of bowling in first match of IPL 2025 made me instantly miss the quality bowling I used to see in PSL back in the day
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The same bowlers like Varun who got hit for run today were big success in CT.

There can only be one conclusion. The quality of batting in IPL is much superior than international teams.
 
Sachin fan said:
The same bowlers like Varun who got hit for run today were big success in CT.

There can only be one conclusion. The quality of batting in IPL is much superior than international teams.
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I kind of think that comparing IPL's dynamics with T20I or other T20 Cricket is now more distant cause of the rule of Impact Sub.

IPL is a 20 overs tournament that essentially plays with 12 players. That changes the whole complexion of the game. Teams strategize differently. There's an added luxury for adding an additional power hitter or frontline bowler. Same teams cannot manage with 11 players.

Imagine in International Cricket teams getting 5 down. That would usually mean that last two recognized batters or all rounders are at crease. Where as in IPL after 5 down. You would still have one more batter in bench guaranteed.
 
Sachin fan said:
The same bowlers like Varun who got hit for run today were big success in CT.

There can only be one conclusion. The quality of batting in IPL is much superior than international teams.
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It’s also the pitches and the dew factor. Most T20 pitches across the globe are flat as a road and with dew kicking in the 2nd innings, it’s harder for spinners to grip the ball. On the other hand Dubai pitches were slower and spin friendly, so over a 50 over game VC and the other spinners could get more out of that pitch. Yes, quality of batting is good, but you can’t vilify bowling in T20 based on 1 match.
 
daytrader said:
Cummins simply doesn't have the variety to be bowling at death in T20s. He should be opening to get the best out of him. In ODIs he can be devastating if there's some reverse on offer
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This is true. Cummins in T20 doesn't have skillset for new ball or death. He is better at bowling middle overs back of length.

Still he has a good reputation in both KKR and SRH of putting hand up for all difficult roles without worrying about impact it has on his numbers.
 
Sincest the inception of PSL we have seen a lot of post and players who have been a part of PSL talk about the high standards of Bowling in PSL. How come this talent from PSL been able to perform in internation cricket? Shouldnt such high standards of bowling translate into really good bowling attack for Pakistan at the international arena? Why isn't this happening?
 
ravisurya said:
Sincest the inception of PSL we have seen a lot of post and players who have been a part of PSL talk about the high standards of Bowling in PSL. How come this talent from PSL been able to perform in internation cricket? Shouldnt such high standards of bowling translate into really good bowling attack for Pakistan at the international arena? Why isn't this happening?
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Because its a lie, there are no good Pakistani bowlers or batsmen on PSL..

PSL is one of the lowest quality leagues in world cricket... no active international superstars participate.

We need to stop being delusional.. Pakistan cricket is finished..

Only a miracle can revive it now...
 
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