Quality of bowling in PSL is definitely superior to IPL

[Bhaijaan]

3 matches so far.

Tail enters are hitting match winning knocks.

Rahul is miraculously back in devastating form.

I must say I am massively disappointed by the bowling display so far in IPL. I watched PSL and found the quality of bowling there to be much superior to this. This is definitely a big blot on the reputation of so called world's greatest T20 league.

 

[Greenstorm]

What about those U19 bowlers ? They played yet ?

 

[Kaptan]

Or maybe Quality of batting is superior in IPL.

 

[MultanKaSultan]

3 matches so far.

Tail enters are hitting match winning knocks.

Rahul is miraculously back in devastating form.

I must say I am massively disappointed by the bowling display so far in IPL. I watched PSL and found the quality of bowling there to be much superior to this. This is definitely a big blot on the reputation of so called world's greatest T20 league.

So called..it is best League in the world..not for pakistani though for obvious reasons
Akmals,Ronchis smacking psl bowlers all around the park
Why you People so insecure abt PSL i really don't understand
After every closed match u ppl used to bump thread shouting look how psl is great amd blah blah
Players like dinesh ramdin samit patel are star players in ur league
So stop embarrassing urself with ths kind of threads
PSL is good for pakistan cricket but what you want to prove by comparing with IPL i really dont understand

 

[Darkrai]

It's not fun to watch cricket when even tail-enders are whooping the bowlers and scoring 50s left and right-gets boring real quick. Quality is very poor. Players like gayle and Baz score 150+ runs in one inning while it takes them whole season of psl to score that many runs lol. Even Murali vijay has 2 100s

 

[Send1983]

Great batting mixed with batting friendly wickets is the reason.

 

[rhony]

Unless there's a game of IPL batters vs PSL bowlers or IPL bowlers vs PSL batters, there's no way to know.
For Pete's sake discards like Kamran Akmal and Ronchi were the top scorers in PSL

 

[Send1983]

It's not fun to watch cricket when even tail-enders are whooping the bowlers and scoring 50s left and right-gets boring real quick. Quality is very poor. Players like gayle and Baz score 150+ runs in one inning while it takes them whole season of psl to score that many runs lol. Even Murali vijay has 2 100s

Any thoughts on Akmal leading the chart?

Smit Patel making the batsmen dancing for his tune?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Or maybe Quality of batting is superior in IPL.

Bravo is an a good batsman but what he did yesterday to Mumbai. I'm not going to buy that. The bowling dished out to him was atrocious.

And today Rahul and Narine.

I thought the IPL was gonna be great this season. Whatever your Bhaijaan has seen so far has been pathetic.

I hope the organizers are hearing me. Please take it as a warning. Thanks.

 

[Send1983]

So called..it is best League in the world..not for pakistani though for obvious reasons
Akmals,Ronchis smacking psl bowlers all around the park
Why you People so insecure abt PSL i really don't understand
After every closed match u ppl used to bump thread shouting look how psl is great amd blah blah
Players like dinesh ramdin samit patel are star players in ur league
So stop embarrassing urself with ths kind of threads
PSL is good for pakistan cricket but what you want to prove by comparing with IPL i really dont understand

He is Indian. Some times he wants to have fun playing with emotions of Indian fans.

 

[saeed5646]

Disappointed to not see nogokti and that other express pacer in ipl they both should play along with other young pacer

 

[Send1983]

Bravo is an a good batsman but what he did yesterday to Mumbai. I'm not going to buy that. The bowling dished out to him was atrocious.

And today Rahul and Narine.

I thought the IPL was gonna be great this season. Whatever your Bhaijaan has seen so far has been pathetic.

I hope the organizers are hearing me. Please take it as a warning. Thanks.

I agree bowling so far has not been as good as we all expected it to be. but Rahul’s batting can’t be just due to poor bowling. Some of the shots played were of good balls.

 

[saeed5646]

So called..it is best League in the world..not for pakistani though for obvious reasons
Akmals,Ronchis smacking psl bowlers all around the park
Why you People so insecure abt PSL i really don't understand
After every closed match u ppl used to bump thread shouting look how psl is great amd blah blah
Players like dinesh ramdin samit patel are star players in ur league
So stop embarrassing urself with ths kind of threads
PSL is good for pakistan cricket but what you want to prove by comparing with IPL i really dont understand

Ignorance is bliss he is not from pak

 

[babajee]

IPL bowling is nothing special at all.

 

[MultanKaSultan]

It's not fun to watch cricket when even tail-enders are whooping the bowlers and scoring 50s left and right-gets boring real quick. Quality is very poor. Players like gayle and Baz score 150+ runs in one inning while it takes them whole season of psl to score that many runs lol. Even Murali vijay has 2 100s

Have a good sleep mate
Forgot everything
Just imagine IPL do not exist and PSL is best League in the world
Gn

 

[Darkrai]

Any thoughts on Akmal leading the chart?

Smit Patel making the batsmen dancing for his tune?

Since IPL is considered the best why don't you respond to my post. Or do you agree IPL quality is crap. Akmal has always had the talent but he never focused on cricket, never worked hard, and always got into controversies. He is a lower order batsman but still averages 27 in International T20s. But for the reasons i've mentioned he was only successful in one seasons and completely failed in the other two seasons. Now try explaining how players are raking 100s after 100s in IPL only.

 

[aloo paratha]

It's the pitches, PSL pitches give something to the bowlers.

 

[Send1983]

Since IPL is considered the best why don't you respond to my post. Or do you agree IPL quality is crap. Akmal has always had the talent but he never focused on cricket, never worked hard, and always got into controversies. He is a lower order batsman but still averages 27 in International T20s. But for the reasons i've mentioned he was only successful in one seasons and completely failed in the other two seasons. Now try explaining how players are raking 100s after 100s in IPL only.

What do you mean by crap bowling? Did you watch or just going by scorecard on cricket info? Gayle was one of the best T20 batsmen. Don’t tell me he is crap, just because he played and failed in his last few yrs of his career.

Narine likes ball coming on to the bat. Don’t tell me your bowlers would have got him out cheaply on wickets like this. If your players are the only quality players or the best, why they have not won any t20 w cup for the last 10 yrs and why they lost 7 out of 8 games against India, why didn’t they not even qualify for Asia cup finals, not even reached semis in last two WCs?

Finally as you mainly talked about bowling, who are the better spinners played in PSL than spinners played in IPL?

 

[Rishta Aunty]

Bravo is an a good batsman but what he did yesterday to Mumbai. I'm not going to buy that. The bowling dished out to him was atrocious.

And today Rahul and Narine.

I thought the IPL was gonna be great this season. Whatever your Bhaijaan has seen so far has been pathetic.

I hope the organizers are hearing me. Please take it as a warning. Thanks.

You're talking rubbish about Bravo here. The guy has two test centuries in Australia and has played some incredibly ODI knocks in the past. Bumrah is among the best death bowlers going around; it was simply wonderful batting that's all. You gotta ask yourself if these bowlers like Bumrah, Chahal, Sundar are doing wonderfully at the International level but are still struggling at the IPL, the quality of batting probably is a big aspect. It's also fun to watch Indian fans wish other Indian players to fail and criticize them; it's hard to insult the player and support him with Pakistanis at the same time.

The quality of the ground fielding in particularly has been incredible. But most importantly the pitches have all been wonderful. Gotta improve the pitches in the UAE for sure, which I've never been a fan of.

 

[Bhaijaan]

It's the pitches, PSL pitches give something to the bowlers.

It's no secret that Pakistani bowlers are way superior and that forms the base of why PSL has better bowling overall. They run in hard and try to take wickets. Indian bowlers just throw off cutters all day long. They use the 135kph delivers once a spell as the effort ball for god sake.

 

[Send1983]

It's no secret that Pakistani bowlers are way superior and that forms the base of why PSL has better bowling overall. They run in hard and try to take wickets. Indian bowlers just throw off cutters all day long. They use the 135kph delivers once a spell as the effort ball for god sake.

What happened to those great phasst bowlers when matches were played on batting friendly wickets or when they bowled to ATG batsmen like Ronchi and Akmal?

 

[ethan hunt]

Easily !! But that's nothing to be ashamed of . Pakistan has a large local bowling talent pool . The likes of Narine just cannot put bat to bowl against some of the local bowlers .
In the shorter formats pakistani bowling resources are second to none atm.

 

[Syed1]

Not to gloat or anything but same BMac couldn't buy a run in PSL and today he batted at 200SR.


You can't counter all arguments with "but Ronchi and Akmal were highest scorers."

 

[Rishta Aunty]

It's no secret that Pakistani bowlers are way superior and that forms the base of why PSL has better bowling overall. They run in hard and try to take wickets. Indian bowlers just throw off cutters all day long. They use the 135kph delivers once a spell as the effort ball for god sake.

It's the pitches man. Anyone with an iota of actual cricketing knowledge can see the massive difference between the pitches in UAE and India. Much more true wickets without much for the bowlers. I've been begging for the pitches to improve as it doesn't really help our batsmen in the long term. It prioritizes nurdly play rather than power hitting.

That's the thing why I've excited about Babar; he's improved his power game despite the circumstances.

 

[babajee]

It's the pitches man. Anyone with an iota of actual cricketing knowledge can see the massive difference between the pitches in UAE and India. Much more true wickets without much for the bowlers. I've been begging for the pitches to improve as it doesn't really help our batsmen in the long term. It prioritizes nurdly play rather than power hitting.

That's the thing why I've excited about Babar; he's improved his power game despite the circumstances.

No the pitches were actually decent for batting this year in PSL. Much better than previous years.

It’s the slow soft outfield.

 

[Hasan123]

Quality of batting in the IPL is much higher without . IPL has a lot of international bowlers so expect bowling standards to improve throughout the tournament.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

No the pitches were actually decent for batting this year in PSL. Much better than previous years.

It’s the slow soft outfield.

Actually decent is different from good. Like Mumbai was a good pitch; some movement up top, but continuously speeds up after and becomes good for batting. It clearly marks out the hacks (looking at you ***** Sharma who I don't rate and Evin Lewis) who couldn't lay bat on ball, and also showed that there were some decent Indian bowlers (that Chahar guy got prodigious movement)

Babajee, but did you notice they weren't true pitches especially in terms of pace off the wicket (which is more related to the outfields than the bounce)? For example I cannot imagine even playing some of the 'drive through the line' in the air shots that you see in the IPL in those grounds. The ball would stop on you especially on good length.

Point is that in the long term this is bad for player development as the vast majority of ODI pitches in the world are completely true. It will affect us cause our batsmen would not be able to manufacture that 10% extra to hit those good length deliveries away. I've been wanting the UAE pitches to be changed forever and this just solidifies it.

 

[Darkrai]

What do you mean by crap bowling? Did you watch or just going by scorecard on cricket info? Gayle was one of the best T20 batsmen. Don’t tell me he is crap, just because he played and failed in his last few yrs of his career.

Narine likes ball coming on to the bat. Don’t tell me your bowlers would have got him out cheaply on wickets like this. If your players are the only quality players or the best, why they have not won any t20 w cup for the last 10 yrs and why they lost 7 out of 8 games against India, why didn’t they not even qualify for Asia cup finals, not even reached semis in last two WCs?

Finally as you mainly talked about bowling, who are the better spinners played in PSL than spinners played in IPL?

Pakistan won the T20 WC in 2009-which makes 9 years ago. Excuses for Gayle wont apply to other players like Baz. I never said Pakistan has the best t20 players. I am talking about the league as a whole. You forget PSL is still young, this was only the third season and look our T20 team is number 1 in the world. We also beat NZ in NZ, Eng in Eng, World XI, and WI in WI....so excuses like we won in UAE against WI and SL wont apply. But that's not the point, i was talking about quality of the league.

I'm not too interested in individual players, i only use them to highlight a point. I am talking about the quality of matches, which obviously means a balance between bowling and batting-fielding is also important. If teams are getting bowled out for 110s 120s then clearly quality is poor, doesn't matter if it's the pitches or the poor batting. If teams are scoring big every time and even poor batsmen are playing match winning knocks then clearly something is wrong, again doesn't matter if it's the pitches or the bowlers. Result is a poor quality of cricket match.

You can't seriously say that you enjoy the bowling in IPL or heck even the batting when even poor batsmen are spanking the bowlers-which makes it difficult to appreciate a good knock. Ik IPL has top bowlers in world like starc, Rabada, Tahir, and so on but what does it matter when Murali Vijay spanks them all over the park. Again not interested in individuals but the quality as a whole, of course pitches are an important part of that.

 

[DRsohail]

Definitely
pal bowling standard are high .And where are those 140kph bowlers about which indian posters were talking right and left.
Nagarkoti.Avesh khan etc.If IPL teams are not taking them then who will take them??@syed1 ....

 

[babajee]

Actually decent is different from good. Like Mumbai was a good pitch; some movement up top, but continuously speeds up after and becomes good for batting. It clearly marks out the hacks (looking at you ***** Sharma who I don't rate and Evin Lewis) who couldn't lay bat on ball, and also showed that there were some decent Indian bowlers (that Chahar guy got prodigious movement)

Babajee, but did you notice they weren't true pitches especially in terms of pace off the wicket (which is more related to the outfields than the bounce)? For example I cannot imagine even playing some of the 'drive through the line' in the air shots that you see in the IPL in those grounds. The ball would stop on you especially on good length.

Point is that in the long term this is bad for player development as the vast majority of ODI pitches in the world are completely true. It will affect us cause our batsmen would not be able to manufacture that 10% extra to hit those good length deliveries away. I've been wanting the UAE pitches to be changed forever and this just solidifies it.

Did you see that six over extra cover by Babar against Wahab?

I agree though, UAE is a hellhole especially Abu Dhabi. The pitch and outfield was pretty much perfect in Lahore this year imo.

 

[babajee]

Definitely
pal bowling standard are high .And where are those 140kph bowlers about which indian posters were talking right and left.
Nagarkoti.Avesh khan etc.If IPL teams are not taking them then who will take them??@syed1 ....

I heard from some that India has 20-30 145+ KPH bowlers in domestics during the time they were chest thumping about their U19 pacers

 

[Josh]

I has to do more with the pitches and less with bowling quality. Once PSL was shifted to Lahore there were bowlers getting thrashed. Besides Hassan and Amir, other Pakistan bowlers would have got thrashed too.

 

[jnaveen1980]

That is flat out false. Batting was stunning. It has always been the case. KL Rahul smashed the guys like Boult.

 

[Red Devil]

Of course the bowling quality is better in the PSL. The likes of Gayle, McCullum and Bravo are IPL legends but they all failed spectacularly in the PSL.

 

[Send1983]

Of course the bowling quality is better in the PSL. The likes of Gayle, McCullum and Bravo are IPL legends but they all failed spectacularly in the PSL.

But those bowlers forgot the bowling when they bowled to IPL rejects like akmal, ronchi, bopara

 

[Send1983]

Umesh is a better bowler than anyone bowled in PSL.

 

[Red Devil]

But those bowlers forgot the bowling when they bowled to IPL rejects like akmal, ronchi, bopara

Bopara's been mediocre after the first season lmao. And I'm pretty sure Ronchi would do well now if he played in the IPL with his current form.

 

[Red Devil]

At least PSL bowlers didn't let Narine to score 17 ball fifties rofl.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Definitely
pal bowling standard are high .And where are those 140kph bowlers about which indian posters were talking right and left.
Nagarkoti.Avesh khan etc.If IPL teams are not taking them then who will take them??@syed1 ....

Not even round 1 is over in IPL.

One of them played today. Kulwant Khejroliya.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Of course the bowling quality is better in the PSL. The likes of Gayle, McCullum and Bravo are IPL legends but they all failed spectacularly in the PSL.

You sound like players like Baz, Bravo, Gayle are some random noobs. They have tharshed the international bowlers in international matches. So Kamran Akmal must be better than Baz since he got a 100 there lol

 

[cricketjoshila]

At least PSL bowlers didn't let Narine to score 17 ball fifties rofl.

They let Luke Ronchi to top score.

 

[Rahul1]

Just checked the stats of psl 2018.

On one hand Pak fans have to prove that bowling quality in psl is very high and on the other hand they have to explain that how some nobodies like JL Denly (who is that), Luke ronchi and kamran akmal (lol) are among the highest run scorers.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Disappointed to not see nogokti and that other express pacer in ipl they both should play along with other young pacer

Here we respect the game.

This is not a talent hunt or development program. This is the best teams playing to win, because the IPL has value for it's own sake. Not because we are looking to find players for India.

And that's exactly why IPL threw up Bumrah, Chahal, Pandya and more importantly rejected Unmukt Chand, Hanuma Vihari, Sarfaraz Khan (till this game). Aussie cricket nose-dived after they started pushing youngsters etc in Sheffield Shield.

You won't find the best players until teams are allowed and incentivized to win above all else.

Please don't mistake this as an anti-Pakistan post. I am not there at all. It's just that I see so many Pakistani posters disrespecting the PSL as a competition by acting as though teams have obligation to act as some talent hunt or feeder system to Pakistan national team. That's the exact wrong way forward both for finding good players as well as for winning tourneys. It's a good thing owners have ignored this philosophy to an extent and that's why we are seeing more competent white-ball cricket from Pakistan of late.

 

[Send1983]

At least PSL bowlers didn't let Narine to score 17 ball fifties rofl.

Are you sure he was really interested playing in PSL. He was sleep walking and used those games as warm up for the big one. Bravo. Russel.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

At least PSL bowlers didn't let Narine to score 17 ball fifties rofl.

Rather the mindset didn't let him open beyond a couple of games where he did just fine.

A couple of losses and the mindset went back to tuk-tuking.

Disclaimer again: Not anti-Pakistan post; just saying it has nothing to do with IPL bowling being bad. PSL teams simply don't attack enough and this is an ages old problem with Indian and Pakistani cricket mentalities.

 

[shaz72]

So called..it is best League in the world..not for pakistani though for obvious reasons
Akmals,Ronchis smacking psl bowlers all around the park
Why you People so insecure abt PSL i really don't understand
After every closed match u ppl used to bump thread shouting look how psl is great amd blah blah
Players like dinesh ramdin samit patel are star players in ur league
So stop embarrassing urself with ths kind of threads
PSL is good for pakistan cricket but what you want to prove by comparing with IPL i really dont understand

Samit Patel was one of the highest wicket taking bowler in last year Natwest T20 Blast. Considering english pitches are not spinner friendly.

 

[Red Devil]

Rather the mindset didn't let him open beyond a couple of games where he did just fine.

A couple of losses and the mindset went back to tuk-tuking.

Disclaimer again: Not anti-Pakistan post; just saying it has nothing to do with IPL bowling being bad. PSL teams simply don't attack enough and this is an ages old problem with Indian and Pakistani cricket mentalities.

Nah, Lahore and Narine in particular went all out attack. He was used as a pinch hitter throughout the tournament.

 

[Darkrai]

Lahore thought they were playing in IPL(Narine, Baz included), so they played super attacking cricket and paid the price by coming dead last.

 

[backfootpunch]

Actually decent is different from good. Like Mumbai was a good pitch; some movement up top, but continuously speeds up after and becomes good for batting. It clearly marks out the hacks (looking at you ***** Sharma who I don't rate and Evin Lewis) who couldn't lay bat on ball, and also showed that there were some decent Indian bowlers (that Chahar guy got prodigious movement)

Babajee, but did you notice they weren't true pitches especially in terms of pace off the wicket (which is more related to the outfields than the bounce)? For example I cannot imagine even playing some of the 'drive through the line' in the air shots that you see in the IPL in those grounds. The ball would stop on you especially on good length.

Point is that in the long term this is bad for player development as the vast majority of ODI pitches in the world are completely true. It will affect us cause our batsmen would not be able to manufacture that 10% extra to hit those good length deliveries away. I've been wanting the UAE pitches to be changed forever and this just solidifies it.

Which is why I've been saying for all this time he's massively overrated and in an ICC ODI tournament I would always pick Fakhar over this hack. The Mumbai pitch had something in it for the bowlers early on and as usual when the conditions deviate from perfect batting conditions he looks out of place.

 

[moghul]

So called..it is best League in the world..not for pakistani though for obvious reasons
Akmals,Ronchis smacking psl bowlers all around the park
Why you People so insecure abt PSL i really don't understand
After every closed match u ppl used to bump thread shouting look how psl is great amd blah blah
Players like dinesh ramdin samit patel are star players in ur league
So stop embarrassing urself with ths kind of threads
PSL is good for pakistan cricket but what you want to prove by comparing with IPL i really dont understand

I’m a Pakistani and I agree with you. I watched all three IPL games, very close games and very good cricket was played. With far more money involved in IPL, top players from the world and coaches are involved and as expected standard of batting and bowling will be great. Bowling standard probably will be equal in both leagues but with most of the top batsmen there, Batting display at IPL will be awesome and much better than PSL.

 

[MultanKaSultan]

They let Luke Ronchi to top score.

And Akmal also

 

[Hawkeye]

Haha.

Most people falling for the classic FC bait here! It's a sarcastic thread, folks.

Batting and pitch quality is higher there. You'll see more high scoring + close matches there.

 

[Send1983]

I’m a Pakistani and I agree with you. I watched all three IPL games, very close games and very good cricket was played. With far more money involved in IPL, top players from the world and coaches are involved and as expected standard of batting and bowling will be great. Bowling standard probably will be equal in both leagues but with most of the top batsmen there, Batting display at IPL will be awesome and much better than PSL.

Well said. Don't know who are those quality bowlers that these guys have been talking about in PSL. Honestly I didn't see anything extraordinary in PSL. Slow wickets with average batting where only 120 being par for most of the games. Even 120, teams were struggling to chase. Once you score 160, no team knew how to chase 160+ score even with boundary line pulled in up to inner circle.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

Did you see that six over extra cover by Babar against Wahab?

I agree though, UAE is a hellhole especially Abu Dhabi. The pitch and outfield was pretty much perfect in Lahore this year imo.

Exactly! The Lahore games were a massive step up and that was visible in the quality of cricket and batting in particular. The thing is that there are literally two different pitches that are created for ODI's and Tests nowadays in most major cricketing venues. That's why good test spinners (Lyon, Ashwin, Yasir) are rarely good ODI spinners (Shadab, Chahal and even Rashid) and vice-versa. Bowling really fast through the air is great to prevent someone from coming down the track, but when they can afford to play you out, you need more guile, flight, drift and tricks up your sleeve.

Which is why I've been saying for all this time he's massively overrated and in an ICC ODI tournament I would always pick Fakhar over this hack. The Mumbai pitch had something in it for the bowlers early on and as usual when the conditions deviate from perfect batting conditions he looks out of place.

Well I'd like to see Fakhar perform in some tough wickets too. I have really high hopes for him; I think he could overcome some of his technical flaws and be as effective as Sehwag was in tests. I'm just really not a fan of the whole build-them-up, bring-them-down routine. We have an unenviable record of sparkling youngsters not living up to potential for whatever reason. I'd say Nasir Jamshed looked even better in that purple patch of his, so don't want to pass judgement.

I rate Dhawan much higher than Rohit for one. Give a flat wicket and Rohit is a beast and anything but that and he's a sitting duck.

 

[Khan12]

Good to see some indians still bitter about kami atg centuries against them. At least he's a wicket keeper Batsmen unlike tailender narine who smashing it to all parts.

 

[Asch Ali]

How has Rashid khan done in IPL? LOL

 

[barah_admi]

I watched 2 matches on Sky...they were bad. My biggest issue isn't even the lack of good bowling or pitches that at least offer something...my biggest issue is how cold everything seems. The incessant, in your face, brightly coloured advertising, the constant biased commentary (everyone is great according to the commentators, everything is high quality, every shot is the best ever, every bowl the most amazing) and then the post match presentations/interviews are cringe where everything is complimented.

"Oh you lost? But you were still amazing."

"Yes I am amazing."

I know the BCCI controls every aspect of cricket broadcast over there but at least allow some nuance, some discussion, some back and forth. In England the ECB controls broadcasters but still allows them huge amounts of sway on saying negative points and critiquing players. The PSL had some solid discussions and the commentators seemed unleashed at times, Raja even called his name sake (Raja Jr) "Rubbish."

I don't like broadcasts that are so cringe.

 

[kuskash]

Whole PSL season is being compared to three matches of IPL. Nothing to say. Its the same as results of matches over duration are being compared to one isolated match result.

 

[Asch Ali]

There’s going to be a lot of 200+ marches

 

[prisha]

I don't understand one thing why this constant comparison between IPL and PSL in my humble opinion PSL is played for pakistani people enjoyment and Pakistani's have historically enjoyed bowling and bowlers so may be PSL catered to it and IPL is played for Indian people enjoyment and Indians like batsmen very much their heroes in majority have been batting stalwarts. So IPL may be making sure they entertain india with great batting episodes. These are league matches played for entertainment. When I was young I used to think if there is entertainment other than going to a movie and people might enjoy just for 2 or 3 hours. My nieces and nephews who live in Bangalore and Hyderabad say they support their respective teams and very proud of the. As IPL has brought a number of foreign players it makes them think above our national team. Our kids are no more scared to work and play with foreigners and develop a comradiership which helps them in the long run.

 

[Savak]

Nope it is not. The wickets in the UAE are slow and grindy, bowlers will have better economy rates there. In the IPL these bowlers will be exposed.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Most of the PSL teams had international standard bowling.

I don't watch IPL so I don't know the bowling standard there.

 

[giri26]

Sorry this is such a bizarre thread. There is no comparison between UAE and wickets in India. The India wickets are flat and is mostly expected to result in few high scoring games. UAE wickets on the other hand are not. Weren't you all complaining that playing in UAE has made Pakistan batting poor? IPL was played in UAE (I think in 2014?) and the scores then were low except for couple of 180+ totals. Bowlers ruled the roost and there were lots of low scoring games. Once the games shifted to India normalcy resumed. So there is nothing wrong with the quality of the bowling, the only thing is that the batting is superior and the pitches are flat which means you will see more of Narine sort of innings in IPL.

 

[The_Odd_One]

A lot of Indian posters are making fun of Akmal being a leading batsman in T20s are forgetting that Akmal when in flow is a very dangerous batsman.

He has played some extremely good knocks in test cricket, ODIs, and T20Is. His issue has always been his inconsistency and poor fitness.

 

[Nfc120]

I think the amount of blind nationalism in this thread is laughable. At the end of the day there is a legitimate comparison that can be made about the differences between IPL and PSL. But this term "quality" is just overused, and used to measure the wrong things. if you want to say the "quality" of pacers or "quality" of batsman is more or less in one league or the other, the fact of the matter is that the "quality" of cricket in general in the T20 format is zilch. There is no quality in T20. 20 overs per side is a flash in the pan and just not enough time to determine which bowlers and batsman and pitches are "quality". T20 in general rewards the short sighted. The sixes, the bland flat yorkers, and the small boundaries.

Thats not to say that T20 does not have its merits. It has a wider market, brings in tons of money, and generates more interest than Test or ODIs combined. I don't think that means that the longer formats have to die out. But it does mean they have to compete in order to survive, which they will. What it comes down to is that each of the bigger nations needs to take ownership of the game, and give it a direction, which honestly seems unlikely right now.

IPL or PSL, the fact is that T20 is an unforgiving format for bowlers, which is a damn shame. People will remember the blitzed 100s or the 50s and the strike rates, but people won't remember an inspiring spell of bowling. Is 4 overs even a spell? Batsman perform again and again, but bowlers are more and more being relegated to become machines. Swing, flight, guile, speed is just not rewarded in T20s. Thats why most bowlers only stay in the mind for a season or two. The big names in cricket are all batsman. And the good bowlers need tampering to stay relevant. Although thats a totally different issue, any fan of cricket would be utterly naive to think that the best fast bowlers in this generation have not prodigiously used tampering to compete.

The T20 format is broken. Its still a young format in cricket, and the time is ripe to recognize its issues and introduce some sweeping changes. Maybe it can be by regulating bat sizes, making longer boundaries, taking away the maximum allotted overs, getting rid of power plays, etc.. Might be a combination of all of the above and many other ideas, but it does require some seriously out of the box thinking.

If I were in charge of the PSL, while the league is still young, I would make these changes. Make it an original, and quit going along with the status quo. Pakistanis are innovators in cricket. Of course there would be challenges, but they have little to gain by imitating every other league.

 

[jagatk]

A lot of Indian posters are making fun of Akmal being a leading batsman in T20s are forgetting that Akmal when in flow is a very dangerous batsman.

He has played some extremely good knocks in test cricket, ODIs, and T20Is. His issue has always been his inconsistency and poor fitness.

Doesn't being highest scorer mean he was consistent? Also it's not just akmal but also ronchi. 2 has-beens who failed at international level destroying bowling attacks when fans of the league claim that PSL has the best bowling quality among all teams is kinda funny.

 

[Itachi]

T20 should be the last platform to judge quality of a player.

IPL or PSL doesn't matter. The format itself is a lottery.

 

[BreadPakoda]

There’s a difference in preferences too. While Indians usually prefer high scoring games (170-190 run chases), Pakistanis like 100-120 runs battles where there is a good balance between bat and ball. Both PSL and IPL cater to different audiences.

 

[Nfc120]

T20 should be the last platform to judge quality of a player.

IPL or PSL doesn't matter. The format itself is a lottery.

Nailed it. Comparing quality of pacers in IPL to PSL is like 2 beggars comparing 1 dollar to 2.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Who cares. Quality of cricket in the three matches has been absolutely top notch with lot of young Indian talent grabbing their opportunities - Markande, Kishan, Rahul, Nair, Mandeep, Nitish Rana and Pant. More to come

 

[Nfc120]

Who cares. Quality of cricket in the three matches has been absolutely top notch with lot of young Indian talent grabbing their opportunities - Markande, Kishan, Rahul, Nair, Mandeep, Nitish Rana and Pant. More to come

Lolz. what makes you say quality is good? some bang bang wham wham? Some garishly colored jerseys just like every other league? Only talent in your list is Rahul, who can hopefully cut it internationally if selected consistently, especially in foreign conditions. Rest are untested

 

[Madplayer]

They let Luke Ronchi to top score.

Have you followed luke ronchi's career and some of the knocks which he has played? It is ridiculous that people are dismissing him as some tail ender who shouldnt score a run. He always was a very good hitter of the ball and so was Kamran. They hit form at the right time in PSL and it wasn't a miracle that they were the highest scorers.

All the IPL fans have just one thing to say "bowling in IPL is better because PSL had luke ronchi as the highest scorer".

 

[HuzaifaE]

I honestly think the PSL bowling is comparable to the IPL's, but the IPL has the bigger names, even in the bowling department. It's the IPL's batting quality that is, being modest, roughly twenty tiers above that of the PSL.

 

[jagatk]

Have you followed luke ronchi's career and some of the knocks which he has played? It is ridiculous that people are dismissing him as some tail ender who shouldnt score a run. He always was a very good hitter of the ball and so was Kamran. They hit form at the right time in PSL and it wasn't a miracle that they were the highest scorers.

All the IPL fans have just one thing to say "bowling in IPL is better because PSL had luke ronchi as the highest scorer".

Actually it is a pakistani fan saying PSL bowling is better than IPL, which is being countered by the fact that 2 average players are your top scorers. The whole PSL is better than IPL propaganda that some fans are trying to spread falls apart when you look at the top performers of PSL, of the top 5 scorers only azam and watson can be classed as decent. Even of those 2 watson is an average player who will fail in ipl.

 

[Madplayer]

Actually it is a pakistani fan saying PSL bowling is better than IPL, which is being countered by the fact that 2 average players are your top scorers. The whole PSL is better than IPL propaganda that some fans are trying to spread falls apart when you look at the top performers of PSL, of the top 5 scorers only azam and watson can be classed as decent. Even of those 2 watson is an average player who will fail in ipl.

I dont think anyone is saying that batting in PSL is better than in IPL. PSL didnt have many big names when it comes to batting so its obvious that from the average lot which was available, only average top scorers would come out. Who do you think was a great t20 batsman in PSL? There is hardly any big name. Play averagely talented batsmen, get averagely talented top scorers.

However, when it comes to bowling its a different ball game altogether and you can only gauge that by looking at the bowling in action, not just at the stats.

 

[Mamoon]

f_c stirring the pot as usual. Feeding the insecurities of our fans and then taking a backseat as they show their vulnerability. Well played.

You have to feel sorry for our fans. They simply cannot come to terms with the reality that the PSL will always be insignificant compared to the giant that the IPL has become today.

Pakistan cricket does not have the appeal, marketability and star power of Indian cricket, and unless the PCB finds a goldmine, it will always lag behind the BCCI in terms of financial muscle. As a result, the high quality players will always prefer to play in the IPL.

The global perception of the two countries also makes a difference. It will take a lot of time and a lot of effort for Pakistan to improve its reputation, while India has made great strides over the last 15-20 years or so, and are greatly respected as a nation.

As a result, our fans have created this alternative reality where the quality of the bowling in the PSL is better than the quality of bowling in the IPL.

However, when you ask them to explain why and how, they end up falling over each other in an attempt to juggle all the contradictions.

“McCullum, Gayle etc. have failed in the PSL but are IPL stars”

Okay, but then how do you explain the success of the batsmen who have done well in the PSL.

A quick look at the top scorers in the league’s history says everything that needs to be said.

How many of these batsmen are world class players with significant achievements at the top level? Zero.

“The quality of bowling in PSL is better”

Who are these high quality bowlers? Obese Patel of all people, bowled his side to the title with his legendary spin bowling.

Rahat Ali, a proven failure in international cricket, was one of the leading pacers.

A 50 year Sami is still one of the top bowlers, and he will not last a series in international cricket.

A past his prime Afridi had a great season with the ball, and he was finished as a bowler years ago.

PSL have a few good Pakistani bowlers, but that is it. Apart from Tahir and Narine, it does not have quality international bowlers, especially when it comes to fast bowling.

In the IPL, majority of the contemporary world class fast bowlers play alongside very good Indian bowlers. It is a league where Boult, Starc, Rabada, Steyn, Johnson etc. play and have played in the past.

These names are too big to play in the PSL, as Johnson showed. Even after retiring, he could not be bothered to show up in the PSL.

However, he will definitely play in the PSL once he is no longer good enough to get an IPL contract. Same goes for Bravo and others.

The IPL wipes the floor with the PSL in every single aspect. Always has and always will. It is the gold standard of franchise cricket, and the quality of cricket is the same as that of T20 internationals. It is international cricket in franchise form.

The PSL is nothing but a poor imitation. It is a Made in China version of the IPL, and same goes for the other leagues who attempted to copy the IPL but do not have the clout of Indian cricket.

PSL’s overall quality is poor. The bowling is mediocre, but the batting is embarrassing. The fact that the batting is minnow level and easily the worst among all T20 leagues make the mediocre bowling look better than it actually is.

The PSL bowling attacks will get hammered in the PSL, and the IPL bowling attacks will do well in the PSL.

Our fans have always lead the way when it comes to being delusional, but I feel sorry to see them do this to themselves. Yes every Pakistani, including myself, would love to see Pakistan cricket and the PSL surpass Indian cricket and the IPL.

However, it is never going to happen for a multitude of reasons. Hence, instead of trying to live in an alternate universe to feel better about your misery, why not make it easy for yourselves by accepting the reality?

The PSL does not have to be half as good as the IPL to help Pakistan cricket. The PSL will be doing its job as long as our people are able to watch the matches at home and the young players are getting opportunities to stake a claim in international cricket.

Why try to become something that is beyond our reach? The jealousy, insecurity and bitterness are not helping us one bit. Stop embarrassing yourselves by comparing the PSL to the IPL.

 

[Mamoon]

I dont think anyone is saying that batting in PSL is better than in IPL. PSL didnt have many big names when it comes to batting so its obvious that from the average lot which was available, only average top scorers would come out. Who do you think was a great t20 batsman in PSL? There is hardly any big name. Play averagely talented batsmen, get averagely talented top scorers.

However, when it comes to bowling its a different ball game altogether and you can only gauge that by looking at the bowling in action, not just at the stats.

Who are these bowlers who make PSL’s bowling better? Failures like Rahat, Sami and Wahab, the trundling Bopara, Samit Patel with his six-pack or Sammy hopping on one leg?

Pakistan have a few good local bowlers but so does India, and if we talk about emerging spinners, India have the best Limited Overs spin duo at the moment, and both came through the IPL.

If we talk about the quality of overseas bowlers, there is no comparison at all.

PSL’s bowling is poor compared to the IPL, but we have a warped perception because the batsmen in the former are minnow level. The bowlers who have made the PSL’s bowling look good will retire if they play in the IPL.

 

[WengerOut]

f_c stirring the pot as usual. Feeding the insecurities of our fans and then taking a backseat as they show their vulnerability. Well played.

You have to feel sorry for our fans. They simply cannot come to terms with the reality that the PSL will always be insignificant compared to the giant that the IPL has become today.

Pakistan cricket does not have the appeal, marketability and star power of Indian cricket, and unless the PCB finds a goldmine, it will always lag behind the BCCI in terms of financial muscle. As a result, the high quality players will always prefer to play in the IPL.

The global perception of the two countries also makes a difference. It will take a lot of time and a lot of effort for Pakistan to improve its reputation, while India has made great strides over the last 15-20 years or so, and are greatly respected as a nation.

As a result, our fans have created this alternative reality where the quality of the bowling in the PSL is better than the quality of bowling in the IPL.

However, when you ask them to explain why and how, they end up falling over each other in an attempt to juggle all the contradictions.

“McCullum, Gayle etc. have failed in the PSL but are IPL stars”

Okay, but then how do you explain the success of the batsmen who have done well in the PSL.

A quick look at the top scorers in the league’s history says everything that needs to be said.

How many of these batsmen are world class players with significant achievements at the top level? Zero.

“The quality of bowling in PSL is better”

Who are these high quality bowlers? Obese Patel of all people, bowled his side to the title with his legendary spin bowling.

Rahat Ali, a proven failure in international cricket, was one of the leading pacers.

A 50 year Sami is still one of the top bowlers, and he will not last a series in international cricket.

A past his prime Afridi had a great season with the ball, and he was finished as a bowler years ago.

PSL have a few good Pakistani bowlers, but that is it. Apart from Tahir and Narine, it does not have quality international bowlers, especially when it comes to fast bowling.

In the IPL, majority of the contemporary world class fast bowlers play alongside very good Indian bowlers. It is a league where Boult, Starc, Rabada, Steyn, Johnson etc. play and have played in the past.

These names are too big to play in the PSL, as Johnson showed. Even after retiring, he could not be bothered to show up in the PSL.

However, he will definitely play in the PSL once he is no longer good enough to get an IPL contract. Same goes for Bravo and others.

The IPL wipes the floor with the PSL in every single aspect. Always has and always will. It is the gold standard of franchise cricket, and the quality of cricket is the same as that of T20 internationals. It is international cricket in franchise form.

The PSL is nothing but a poor imitation. It is a Made in China version of the IPL, and same goes for the other leagues who attempted to copy the IPL but do not have the clout of Indian cricket.

PSL’s overall quality is poor. The bowling is mediocre, but the batting is embarrassing. The fact that the batting is minnow level and easily the worst among all T20 leagues make the mediocre bowling look better than it actually is.

The PSL bowling attacks will get hammered in the PSL, and the IPL bowling attacks will do well in the PSL.

Our fans have always lead the way when it comes to being delusional, but I feel sorry to see them do this to themselves. Yes every Pakistani, including myself, would love to see Pakistan cricket and the PSL surpass Indian cricket and the IPL.

However, it is never going to happen for a multitude of reasons. Hence, instead of trying to live in an alternate universe to feel better about your misery, why not make it easy for yourselves by accepting the reality?

The PSL does not have to be half as good as the IPL to help Pakistan cricket. The PSL will be doing its job as long as our people are able to watch the matches at home and the young players are getting opportunities to stake a claim in international cricket.

Why try to become something that is beyond our reach? The jealousy, insecurity and bitterness are not helping us one bit. Stop embarrassing yourselves by comparing the PSL to the IPL.

Gayle and McCullum have hardly performed better in IPL since 2016 ( since the inception of PSL ) and that too on flatter pitches. So it is a myth they perform better in IPL.

 

[Madplayer]

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Who are these bowlers who make PSL’s bowling better? Failures like Rahat, Sami and Wahab, the trundling Bopara, Samit Patel with his six-pack or Sammy hopping on one leg?

Pakistan have a few good local bowlers but so does India, and if we talk about emerging spinners, India have the best Limited Overs spin duo at the moment, and both came through the IPL.

If we talk about the quality of overseas bowlers, there is no comparison at all.

PSL’s bowling is poor compared to the IPL, but we have a warped perception because the batsmen in the former are minnow level. The bowlers who have made the PSL’s bowling look good will retire if they play in the IPL.

Kindly mention how many Indian "fast" bowlers bowling in IPL are better than Rahat, sami and wahab? Are you talking about the Unadkats or thakurs? Just because the aforementioned Pakistani bowlers arent good enough to play international cricket for Pakistan doesnt mean they are inferior to Indian trundlers who get smashed time and time again at every level.

Bopara is a non-entity when it comes to bowling now so i dont know why you are even mentioning him. Samit patel did well but he is playing as an all rounder, not a frontline bowler similar to sammy.

Some of the local bowlers of Pakistan were Shaheen shah afridi, Ibtisam sheikh, zafar gohar, umaid asif, sameen gul, Mohammad irfan jr. Etc. Let us know which of India's vinay kumars, unadkats, thakurs etc. or any other local bowlers are better than them.

Quality of overseas bowlers is better in IPL but some of the players like johnson are playing on reputation alone. Obviously more money has a lot to do with it because bowlers, especially fast bowlers have to choose these leagues carefully and preserve themselves for the ones paying most money.

 

[WengerOut]

Kindly mention how many Indian "fast" bowlers bowling in IPL are better than Rahat, sami and wahab? Are you talking about the Unadkats or thakurs? Just because the aforementioned Pakistani bowlers arent good enough to play international cricket for Pakistan doesnt mean they are inferior to Indian trundlers who get smashed time and time again at every level.

Bopara is a non-entity when it comes to bowling now so i dont know why you are even mentioning him. Samit patel did well but he is playing as an all rounder, not a frontline bowler similar to sammy.

Some of the local bowlers of Pakistan were Shaheen shah afridi, Ibtisam sheikh, zafar gohar, umaid asif, sameen gul, Mohammad irfan jr. Etc. Let us know which of India's vinay kumars, unadkats, thakurs etc. or any other local bowlers are better than them.

Quality of overseas bowlers is better in IPL but some of the players like johnson are playing on reputation alone. Obviously more money has a lot to do with it because bowlers, especially fast bowlers have to choose these leagues carefully and preserve themselves for the ones paying most money.

Unadkats and Thakur might be poor but they took the wickets of superior batsmen compared to those found in PSL and that too on flatter surfaces. You can't deny that. Mitchell Johnson was one of the performers of last IPL final. So not playing on reputation alone. Now dude , don't come with Ibitisam and SSA. SSA performed only in one match. Heck, Nitish Rana , who is primarily a batsman dismissed AB and Virat off consecutive deliveries. Not many can claim that. Chris Lynn and Virat were failures yesterday against mostly Indian bowlers.