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Quality of bowling in PSL is definitely superior to IPL

Why should i? It was Indian posters talking about how every ranji team has 145+kph bowlers (which we will see in IPL) in another thread refer to posts from [MENTION=95477]Rightarmfast[/MENTION] and a few others can't remember their names if in doubt look at the thread"jealous of Pakistani bowling in psl" which was created by a very level headed Indian poster. So someone kindly make a thread and burst some bubbles.

Undakat, vinay,dinda,Mohit to name few.
 
You first tell us who are all those 140+ kmph bowlers in PSL.

Amir, Hassan Ali, Wahab, Sami, M.Irfan, Irshad, Shaheen to name most of the Pakistanis. Given that there are only 6 PSL sides that is more than one per side. Bare in mind I haven't included any overseas players.
 
Undakat, vinay,dinda,Mohit to name few.

Deliberately missed out Mavi, Nagarkoti, Bumrah, Umesh, Shami, etc?

Let me do the same for PSL.

Irfan Jr, Mir, Sameen Gul, umaid, TTF Sami, Azhar Ali, faheem are you fast bowlers?
 
Deliberately missed out Mavi, Nagarkoti, Bumrah, Umesh, Shami, etc?

Let me do the same for PSL.

Irfan Jr, Mir, Sameen Gul, umaid, TTF Sami, Azhar Ali, faheem are you fast bowlers?

Azhar Ali?

Have mavi or nagarkoti played yet? Guess team kkr management don't have much faith in them hence Vinay Thompson Kumar plays ahead of them.
 
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Deliberately missed out Mavi, Nagarkoti, Bumrah, Umesh, Shami, etc?

Let me do the same for PSL.

Irfan Jr, Mir, Sameen Gul, umaid, TTF Sami, Azhar Ali, faheem are you fast bowlers?

I would take the PSL ones over your ones everyday of the week.
 
The PSL is a tougher league inmho than the IPL. I think in the IPL you can get the odd few easy matches to help you out. Also the duration is longer and the bowling pool is larger hence why you will get quality with some not so good bowlers added in. Also the pitches are to ensure the Indian brand of cricket is encouraged i.e. big scores and lots of sixes. The bowlers are seen as bowling machines essentially.

Why do i think the cricket is tougher in the PSL? simple. less teams. Therefore more chance of facing two three or four international bowlers in an attack.
 
Also one should note the height difference of the taller bowlers in PSL and IPL. PSL there's a fair few over 6"2:

Irfan, Shaheen, Umaid and Anwar Ali from the top of my head. Are there any Indian bowlers above 6"2? All I can think off is Ishant
 
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Sami , Wahab , Wahab , Sami , Riaz , Mohammad Sami , W. RIAZ , M.SAMI . Lots of them.

You missed

Amir
Hasan
Shinwari
Junaid
Shaheen
Fahim
Sameen
Talat (clocked 140 once or twice)
Rahat
Salman Irshad





Those are just the 140+ bowlers in the PSL we have alot more in domestics and those are more than what India have produced ever in your history. Know your place.
 
You missed

Amir
Hasan
Shinwari
Junaid
Shaheen
Fahim
Sameen
Talat (clocked 140 once or twice)
Rahat
Salman Irshad





Those are just the 140+ bowlers in the PSL we have alot more in domestics and those are more than what India have produced ever in your history. Know your place.

We need a IPL speeds thread to lay this myth to bed.
 
You missed

Amir
Hasan
Shinwari
Junaid
Shaheen
Fahim
Sameen
Talat (clocked 140 once or twice)
Rahat
Salman Irshad





Those are just the 140+ bowlers in the PSL we have alot more in domestics and those are more than what India have produced ever in your history. Know your place.

you forgot Shahid afridi. Who's fast ball was faster than an indian pacers stock delivery lol
 
You missed

Amir
Hasan
Shinwari
Junaid
Shaheen
Fahim
Sameen
Talat (clocked 140 once or twice)
Rahat
Salman Irshad





Those are just the 140+ bowlers in the PSL we have alot more in domestics and those are more than what India have produced ever in your history. Know your place.

Yeah . I once heard Zahid clocked 180kmph.
 
Good to see some indians still bitter about kami atg centuries against them. At least he's a wicket keeper Batsmen unlike tailender narine who smashing it to all parts.

I would take the PSL ones over your ones everyday of the week.
Of course. I would do the same too. I would take IPL ones over your ones everyday of the week.
 
PP has gotten quite embarrassing recently.

Has there been an escalation in India-Pakistan tensions in recent weeks?
 
Sandeep Sharma and Siddharth Kaul bowling quite well today. Accuracy, movement, variations and the nous to use them correctly. Enough pace too.
 
The PSL is a tougher league inmho than the IPL. I think in the IPL you can get the odd few easy matches to help you out. Also the duration is longer and the bowling pool is larger hence why you will get quality with some not so good bowlers added in. Also the pitches are to ensure the Indian brand of cricket is encouraged i.e. big scores and lots of sixes. The bowlers are seen as bowling machines essentially.

Why do i think the cricket is tougher in the PSL? simple. less teams. Therefore more chance of facing two three or four international bowlers in an attack.

You are very humble bro for not mentioning the most crucial point. Pakistani bowling pool is much better than Indian who form 80% of je bowling essentially.

PSL remains the toughest leave to excel as a batsman which is reflected by not so special batting stats in the league.

Batting stats in IPL can be absurd. Kohli got 4 centuries last year alone. It’s a joke.
 
Also one should note the height difference of the taller bowlers in PSL and IPL. PSL there's a fair few over 6"2:

Irfan, Shaheen, Umaid and Anwar Ali from the top of my head. Are there any Indian bowlers above 6"2? All I can think off is Ishant

5’9” to 5’10” is average height of Indian pacers. Mostly non muscular and look more like table tennis players than athletes.

Most Pakistani bowlers look like athletes and some have savage looks like Khilji in Padmavati.
 
5’9” to 5’10” is average height of Indian pacers. Mostly non muscular and look more like table tennis players than athletes.

Most Pakistani bowlers look like athletes and some have savage looks like Khilji in Padmavati.

Who in Pak bowling line up look like Savage Khilji?

You do not need Big muscles to bowl fast. Just look at all of the Pak pacers. Who is muscular among them? They may be tall. But calling them muscular is lolworthy.
 
You are very humble bro for not mentioning the most crucial point. Pakistani bowling pool is much better than Indian who form 80% of je bowling essentially.

PSL remains the toughest leave to excel as a batsman which is reflected by not so special batting stats in the league.

Batting stats in IPL can be absurd. Kohli got 4 centuries last year alone. It’s a joke.

Ive not really watched the IPL because I dont have sky so cant judge things..but reading that billings is hitting runs and some other players like narine was surprising as Billings hasnt really done much in the PSL..Also bmac etc..i feel the bowling in the PSL can be a bit more relentless hence why teams like lahore just kept getting pasted..
 
Who in Pak bowling line up look like Savage Khilji?

You do not need Big muscles to bowl fast. Just look at all of the Pak pacers. Who is muscular among them? They may be tall. But calling them muscular is lolworthy.

Look at Hasan Ali’s biceps.
 
You are very humble bro for not mentioning the most crucial point. Pakistani bowling pool is much better than Indian who form 80% of je bowling essentially.

PSL remains the toughest leave to excel as a batsman which is reflected by not so special batting stats in the league.

Batting stats in IPL can be absurd. Kohli got 4 centuries last year alone. It’s a joke.

I know you're trolling, and in a really unfunny way. But let's get some things straight

1) Kohli scored 4 tons in 2016, not 2017.

2) If bowling quality in psl is so high, how come some nobody like Joe Denly, and Kamran akmal (lol) are among the highest run scorers? I have yet to see a logical explanation for this.

3) If Kamran is among the highest run scorers in the toughest league for batsmen, then god help us.
 
Not sure why many pak fans here doing this sales pitch that they have great bowlers playing in PSL, etc., no matter what you say, your bowlers won’t be allowed to play in this great league for next few years. Sorry folks.
 
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PSL is better in every sense. Now happy? I hope all those who are itching to hear this are now in peace...Lmao every other thread is about IPL this...IPL that..PSL has to cross first big bash, cpl and bpl.
 
You kids are so damn boring. :)
And fun.
Pakpassion reminds me of the passion I once had some 10 years' ago.

India is a stupid country, so is Pakistan, my only hope is the next generation, who will code, create and compete without this kind of silly jingoism that has only been the 'Modis Operandi' of cheap politics.

God bless all.
 
To put all IPL vs PSL arguments to bed we should have the finalists of the IPL and PSL have a quadrangular series face-off.


Khatum karo larai jhagra... :moyo
 
To put all IPL vs PSL arguments to bed we should have the finalists of the IPL and PSL have a quadrangular series face-off.


Khatum karo larai jhagra... :moyo

those overseas players playing both PSL and IPL would prefer IPL. IPL team will win the game, then you folks would give that as excuse that IPL had stronger overseas players.

even if there is no common foreign players, still after losing the game, you guys would give the same excuse IPL had better Overseas players, etc.,

we have all seen it in last few years of champions league.
 
those overseas players playing both PSL and IPL would prefer IPL. IPL team will win the game, then you folks would give that as excuse that IPL had stronger overseas players.

even if there is no common foreign players, still after losing the game, you guys would give the same excuse IPL had better Overseas players, etc.,

we have all seen it in last few years of champions league.

Didn't a IPL team once lose to the Lahore Lions which is a team made up solely of Pakistani palyers?
 
those overseas players playing both PSL and IPL would prefer IPL. IPL team will win the game, then you folks would give that as excuse that IPL had stronger overseas players.

even if there is no common foreign players, still after losing the game, you guys would give the same excuse IPL had better Overseas players, etc.,

we have all seen it in last few years of champions league.

Let's see... the winners of PSL were IU and their overseas players were Duminy, Hales, Samit Patel, Ronchi, Chadwick Walton.


The foreigners in the runner up PZ were, Sammy, Fletcher, Jordan, Dawson, Tamim Iqbal.....



Idk how many of those play in the IPL.
 
what happened to other times your team lost to IPL teams or to teams which IPL teams slaughtered?
I guess just few games in the first few seasons guess. it happens in cricket. not just in cricket, in any sports.
 
The way Andre Russell rampaged to 86 that day and couldn't score a run in the PSL.

Not saying IPL is poor, it's good but it's not amazing just because it has more international players. IPL looks amazing because the broadcast is superb as compared to the PSL, plus they have amazing crowed atmosphere.

Playing quality is par I believe, PSL bowling is for sure superior. IPL will give you some gem knocks because of the really, really flat tracks
 
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] So you will not consider batting quality of IPL while comparing bowling and scores. very apt. PSL has low scores due to some very placid pitches and below par batting quality.
 
The way Andre Russell rampaged to 86 that day and couldn't score a run in the PSL.

Not saying IPL is poor, it's good but it's not amazing just because it has more international players. IPL looks amazing because the broadcast is superb as compared to the PSL, plus they have amazing crowed atmosphere.

Playing quality is par I believe, PSL bowling is for sure superior. IPL will give you some gem knocks because of the really, really flat tracks

if you analyze the batting of Russel and Narine, they need ball coming on to bat nicely.. on slow and low pitches, they generally struggle to time/ hit the ball. even if indian spinner had bowled against them on slow and spinning track of UAE, those batsmen would have struggled. You are talking as if Pak bowlers bowled yorker after yorker to them or beat them with 150Kmph fast bowling.

top bowlers you had in PSL are same old Wahab, Sami, and other few unknowns.

these Wahab and Sami are big international failures.

IMHO batsmen in the PSL are very average, you dont have to bowl yorker or very good ball to contain them.. even good length balls are good enough against those average batsmen in death overs. Once you take first 4 wickets, teams just give up. thats why we saw 150+ being winning score. also most of the teams are not good as chasing. they struggled even to chase run a ball scores with very short boundary. there is a big play ground between the boundary line and fence where spectators are.

there is a big talent gap, especially batting talent between two leagues.
 
if you analyze the batting of Russel and Narine, they need ball coming on to bat nicely.. on slow and low pitches, they generally struggle to time/ hit the ball. even if indian spinner had bowled against them on slow and spinning track of UAE, those batsmen would have struggled. You are talking as if Pak bowlers bowled yorker after yorker to them or beat them with 150Kmph fast bowling.

top bowlers you had in PSL are same old Wahab, Sami, and other few unknowns.

these Wahab and Sami are big international failures.

IMHO batsmen in the PSL are very average, you dont have to bowl yorker or very good ball to contain them.. even good length balls are good enough against those average batsmen in death overs. Once you take first 4 wickets, teams just give up. thats why we saw 150+ being winning score. also most of the teams are not good as chasing. they struggled even to chase run a ball scores with very short boundary. there is a big play ground between the boundary line and fence where spectators are.

there is a big talent gap, especially batting talent between two leagues.

There is hell a lot more at stake in the IPL. Even some complained about lack of interest shown by foreign players. In PSL appearance is enough to pocket the money. In IPL you need to perform with consistently to sustain your market value. Virat Kohli despite being the best limited over player and on his way to become an ATG rarely showed the same intensity in IPL. His place is assured. Foreign players need to do well to have the same assurance. Look at Steyn, Malinga, Sanga and host of other players who were not even picked.
 
There is hell a lot more at stake in the IPL. Even some complained about lack of interest shown by foreign players. In PSL appearance is enough to pocket the money. In IPL you need to perform with consistently to sustain your market value. Virat Kohli despite being the best limited over player and on his way to become an ATG rarely showed the same intensity in IPL. His place is assured. Foreign players need to do well to have the same assurance. Look at Steyn, Malinga, Sanga and host of other players who were not even picked.
While I don't agree with the premise of this thread, but looking at some of you Indians giving silly excuses here makes me sure you have been trolled successfully once again. Matlab, overseas players don't give their best in the PSL which is why they can't even score a half-century while they smash IPL bowling attacks for fun? The pitches in PSL are so bad that they don't manage to score well in even one game, while Kamran Akmal scores centuries on the same pitches and you mock him (guess you are too young to remember the two knocks that basically smashed India to the ground)? Come up with better arguments. IPL has a bit better bowling attacks thanks to the first XI international stars, while PSL has better local talent.
 
Local bowling talent PSL....My Foot....On true pitches in Pakistan the so called local bowling talent was smashed to pieces by none other than ATG kamran Akmal and Luke Ronchi...

Bowlers like Usman Shenwari, Shaheen Afridi, Sameen Gul etc. would be taken to cleaners in IPL cricket.
 
Local bowling talent PSL....My Foot....On true pitches in Pakistan the so called local bowling talent was smashed to pieces by none other than ATG kamran Akmal and Luke Ronchi...

Bowlers like Usman Shenwari, Shaheen Afridi, Sameen Gul etc. would be taken to cleaners in IPL cricket.
Keeo your foot where it is, otherwise even that would be trolled mercilessly here.

So ATG Kamran Akmal and Luke Ronchi score in PSL but your IPL superstars Narine and Russell cant do jack? Don't bring in pitches. By that reckoning, Kamran and Ronchi could have done even more damage on true pitches in the IPL :))
 
Keeo your foot where it is, otherwise even that would be trolled mercilessly here.

So ATG Kamran Akmal and Luke Ronchi score in PSL but your IPL superstars Narine and Russell cant do jack? Don't bring in pitches. By that reckoning, Kamran and Ronchi could have done even more damage on true pitches in the IPL :))
ok, so you are a pakpassion certified troller? Good for u.

And why shall I don't bring in pitches ? Kamran and Ronchi are TTF and if they can destroy your over hyped local talent then cheers to your local talent...

It was quite evident that once PSL moved to Lahore and karachi, the bubble busted. Even Hasan Ali was smashed on a true pitch.
 
if you analyze the batting of Russel and Narine, they need ball coming on to bat nicely.. on slow and low pitches, they generally struggle to time/ hit the ball. even if indian spinner had bowled against them on slow and spinning track of UAE, those batsmen would have struggled. You are talking as if Pak bowlers bowled yorker after yorker to them or beat them with 150Kmph fast bowling.

top bowlers you had in PSL are same old Wahab, Sami, and other few unknowns.

these Wahab and Sami are big international failures.

IMHO batsmen in the PSL are very average, you dont have to bowl yorker or very good ball to contain them.. even good length balls are good enough against those average batsmen in death overs. Once you take first 4 wickets, teams just give up. thats why we saw 150+ being winning score. also most of the teams are not good as chasing. they struggled even to chase run a ball scores with very short boundary. there is a big play ground between the boundary line and fence where spectators are.

there is a big talent gap, especially batting talent between two leagues.

I dont think its talent, its mainly confidence. The Indian home grown players are far more confident at the crease than the Pakistani batsmen. The Indians want to innovate and take over as the bigger players in the side, whereas the Pakistanis seem to already concede to the thought that the overseas batsmen are there for the heavy work and they are just there to chip in.

Players like Fakhar Zaman and Babar Azam take the responsibility on themselves and thats why they are far better as compared to all others.
 
ok, so you are a pakpassion certified troller? Good for u.

And why shall I don't bring in pitches ? Kamran and Ronchi are TTF and if they can destroy your over hyped local talent then cheers to your local talent...

It was quite evident that once PSL moved to Lahore and karachi, the bubble busted. Even Hasan Ali was smashed on a true pitch.
Well done on ignoring the main argument of that post. These TTF that you are talking about would have been even more successful in the IPL.
 
Finally couple of matches where the ball is dominating the bat.

Is the IPL making a come back?

Tell your bhaijaan.
 
Well done on ignoring the main argument of that post. These TTF that you are talking about would have been even more successful in the IPL.
oh, you still didn't get it....is it that hard to understand?

Let me try again.

Players like Narine and Russell are hacks ( esp Narine) and they need true flat pitches to fire because they are not good enough to handle poor or difficult pitches like in UAE.

Narine & Russell fireworks in IPL is equivalent to mediocre bowler like samit patel taking cheap wickets in PSL.

Also Your ATG Ronchi has played in IPL with a mighty average of 6.5 and strike rate of 100:)) and less said about Kamran Akmal, the better...he is a glorified TTF who can't handle any decent bowling.

Anything else?
 
I changed my mind. Quality of bowling in IPL is better than PSL. Very good spinners and fast bowlers are very good too.
 
In terms of spinners, IPL >>>>> PSL in terms of fast bowling IPL >PSL, greater than or equal to.

Very disciplined fast bowling!
 
Deliberately missed out Mavi, Nagarkoti, Bumrah, Umesh, Shami, etc?

Let me do the same for PSL.

Irfan Jr, Mir, Sameen Gul, umaid, TTF Sami, Azhar Ali, faheem are you fast bowlers?
With Kaman , Luke ronchi, Ravi bopara etc etc as star batsmen even Zimbabwe bowling might look quality
 
With Kaman , Luke ronchi, Ravi bopara etc etc as star batsmen even Zimbabwe bowling might look quality

what about narine ,russell ,bravo where are these guys scoring runs .kamran have produce some very

good knock internationally what have narine done with the bat
 
what about narine ,russell ,bravo where are these guys scoring runs .kamran have produce some very

good knock internationally what have narine done with the bat

Russell and Bravo have knocks in World T20s as well.

Kamran Akmal cant get into the weak Pak batting line up.
 
The three medum pacers playing today for the bowling team are .
Stuart binny , k gowtham , j unadkat .
Every league should be able to put up a better attack .
 
The three medum pacers playing today for the bowling team are .
Stuart binny , k gowtham , j unadkat .
Every league should be able to put up a better attack .

Its their wish that Jifra Archer Ben Laughlin Chameera are sitting on the bench.
 
The three medum pacers playing today for the bowling team are .
Stuart binny , k gowtham , j unadkat .
Every league should be able to put up a better attack .

Intentionally forgot the names Ben Lsughlin and Ben Stokes?
 
The three medum pacers playing today for the bowling team are .
Stuart binny , k gowtham , j unadkat .
Every league should be able to put up a better attack .

One is an all rounder and other one is a part timer.

You missed out two main bowlers and a world class all rounder.

Laughlin, gopal and stokes. Who are you fooling here? Is this not trolling?
 
One is an all rounder and other one is a part timer.

You missed out two main bowlers and a world class all rounder.

Laughlin, gopal and stokes. Who are you fooling here? Is this not trolling?

He doesnot follow IPL.
 
Was reading Cricinfo and just saw Shane Watson has scored a quick hundred. Indian bowlers are still rubbish :))
 
I was obviously talking about the indian representatives . Noticed the names and thought this looks like a very ordinary collection of bowlers .
Wouldnt you agree ??

The problem is when you guys only zooms in on bad performances. Obviously you won't talk about Chahar , Thakur and Gopal from today's game where 200 ia scored. Any bowler can get smashed. Indian ones are top of the charts currently with good ER as well.
 
The three medum pacers playing today for the bowling team are .
Stuart binny , k gowtham , j unadkat .
Every league should be able to put up a better attack .

Binny seriously? My legs are shaking and I was thinking India will find a new youngster beauty from IPL and here binny is still playing.
 
The problem is when you guys only zooms in on bad performances. Obviously you won't talk about Chahar , Thakur and Gopal from today's game where 200 ia scored. Any bowler can get smashed. Indian ones are top of the charts currently with good ER as well.

I wouldnt do that because i actually think that the bowling quality is missing in the IPL from the indian contingent..
Some of it due to the flat indian pitches where even nasir jamshed can be hard to stop .
Selectors who continue to play established failures over upcoming talent etc .
 
The problem is when you guys only zooms in on bad performances. Obviously you won't talk about Chahar , Thakur and Gopal from today's game where 200 ia scored. Any bowler can get smashed. Indian ones are top of the charts currently with good ER as well.

When one want to see -ve's will obviously ignore +ve's :srini
 
Its the grounds, not the bowlers

3 matches so far.

Tail enters are hitting match winning knocks.

Rahul is miraculously back in devastating form.

I must say I am massively disappointed by the bowling display so far in IPL. I watched PSL and found the quality of bowling there to be much superior to this. This is definitely a big blot on the reputation of so called world's greatest T20 league.


This comparison has no answer. It's like when i was arguing with some Indian fans about IU being competitive in IPL.

The par score in Dubai, Sharjah, etc is usually around 160, 180 at most when it is newly minted.

As much as our bowlers are good, there is a reason the average score in IPL usually is higher, thats because there is no seam, or spin, ball comes to the bat nicely.

Players like Gayle, that failed in IPL, score centuries.

So was this post just to troll our Indian friends?
 
While watching IPL yesterday, I couldn't help but notice the quality of bowling looked a lot inferior to what I saw in PSL. Most of the batters were rusty and yet bowlers were not able to dominate them.
 
While watching IPL yesterday, I couldn't help but notice the quality of bowling looked a lot inferior to what I saw in PSL. Most of the batters were rusty and yet bowlers were not able to dominate them.

You mean a team having a bowling attack of Boult,Pattinson and Bumrah as their top 3 bowlers is inferior to PSL bowling attacks lol.
 
You mean a team having a bowling attack of Boult,Pattinson and Bumrah as their top 3 bowlers is inferior to PSL bowling attacks lol.

The team having Boult, Pattinson, Bumrah lost to the team having Rayudu as their middle order mainstay
 
The PSL is a tougher league inmho than the IPL. I think in the IPL you can get the odd few easy matches to help you out. Also the duration is longer and the bowling pool is larger hence why you will get quality with some not so good bowlers added in. Also the pitches are to ensure the Indian brand of cricket is encouraged i.e. big scores and lots of sixes. The bowlers are seen as bowling machines essentially.

Why do i think the cricket is tougher in the PSL? simple. less teams. Therefore more chance of facing two three or four international bowlers in an attack.

I have never watched PSL but am genuinely interested in giving it a quick look after reading some of the posts.
 
Players have come up with zero cricket in last 6 months. You have to give them time to get back the rythm right. If this was international cricket, they would have got one warm-up match.
 
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