Quality of IPL bowling teams

[wajid]

So I just checked scorecard of today’s KKR vs SRH game and their batting lineups are impressive but not to the point where they pose any threat to international teams. Also their bowling lineups are pretty similar to PSL ones with one or two active international bowler( Cummins, bhuvi etc) and some oldies ( harbhajan) as well. I am not familiar with the rest but am interested to know how they stack up because here on some threads people were suggesting that most international teams had no chance against IPL teams.

I do recognise that maybe I am unaware of the repute of some local Indian players and they might be well accomplished but unknown to me. India is tough team to get into so anyone who knows about follows IPL can let us know that which teams have best and most well known combinations?

 

[Ab Fan]

Sunrisers Hyderabad and Mumbai Indians have got better bowling attack than any non-Big 3 international T20 nation and is actually comparable to Indian and England bowling attack overall.

Mumbai Indians-

Jasprit Bumrah
Trent Boult
Coulter Nile
Rahul Chahar
Hardik Pandya
Kieron Pollard

Sunrisers Hyderabad-

Bhuvaneswar Kumar
T Natrajan
Rashid Khan
Jason Holder/Nabi
Shahbaz Nadeem
Vijay Shankar

Bumrah, Bhuvi, Boult, Rashid are all world class by even international standards. You will not find more than two world class bowlers in any T20 team which includes England and India also.

Mumbai has Bumrah and Boult, two world class names. SRH has Bhuvi and Rashid, again two world class names. Even Natrajan is very good for T20s and better than say, Shardul or Curran who plays for England and India respectively.

 

[OpeningBatsman]

Sunrisers Hyderabad and Mumbai Indians have got better bowling attack than any non-Big 3 international T20 nation.

Mumbai Indians-

Jasprit Bumrah
Trent Boult
Coulter Nile
Rahul Chahar
Hardik Pandya
Kieron Pollard

Sunrisers Hyderabad-

Bhuvaneswar Kumar
T Natrajan
Rashid Khan
Jason Holder/Nabi
Shahbaz Nadeem
Vijay Shankar

Bumrah, Bhuvi, Boult, Rashid are all world class by even international standards. You will not find more than two world class bowlers in any T20 team which includes England and India also.

Mumbai has Bumrah and Boult, two world class names. SRH has Bhuvi and Rashid, again two world class names. Even Natrajan is very good for T20s and better than say, Shardul or Curran who plays for England and India respectively.

Almost all of the world's top bowlers play in the IPL. But the usual suspects will bring up some random monu singh playing in IPL to show it's poor as if their own national teams have better bowlers.

I admit i dont watch IPL. Im more of an intnl match follower and only check out if some of the young players are playing or some tight finish. But it's not even a discussion that be it batting or bowling IPL is leagues above every league where the likes of Kamran akmal and Luke Ronchi are top scorers or Dan Christian is the second coming of lance Klusener and Keswick Williams is.. well smthng

 

[Ab Fan]

Almost all of the world's top bowlers play in the IPL. But the usual suspects will bring up some random monu singh playing in IPL to show it's poor as if their own national teams have better bowlers.

I admit i dont watch IPL. Im more of an intnl match follower and only check out if some of the young players are playing or some tight finish. But it's not even a discussion that be it batting or bowling IPL is leagues above every league where the likes of Kamran akmal and Luke Ronchi are top scorers or Dan Christian is the second coming of lance Klusener and Keswick Williams is.. well smthng

Look you can't explain sense to prevail from the usual suspects so no matter how hard you try it will be irrelevant.

I gave you example of two teams. Let's do another straight comparison of bowling attack.

Delhi Capitals vs South Africa:-

Rabada= Rabada
Nortje = Nortje
Ashwin > SA's 1st spinner
Axar > Phelukwayo
Avesh < Ngidi

So, you can clearly see that even Delhi Capitals has better bowling attack than South Africa.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Sunrisers Hyderabad and Mumbai Indians have got better bowling attack than any non-Big 3 international T20 nation and is actually comparable to Indian and England bowling attack overall.

Mumbai Indians-

Jasprit Bumrah
Trent Boult
Coulter Nile
Rahul Chahar
Hardik Pandya
Kieron Pollard

Sunrisers Hyderabad-

Bhuvaneswar Kumar
T Natrajan
Rashid Khan
Jason Holder/Nabi
Shahbaz Nadeem
Vijay Shankar

Bumrah, Bhuvi, Boult, Rashid are all world class by even international standards. You will not find more than two world class bowlers in any T20 team which includes England and India also.

Mumbai has Bumrah and Boult, two world class names. SRH has Bhuvi and Rashid, again two world class names. Even Natrajan is very good for T20s and better than say, Shardul or Curran who plays for England and India respectively.

Sorry but these two bowling lineups you posted don't look threatening. Your list includes 14 bowlers out of which only 4 are world class. Rest of them are average who can have a good day/spell once in a while. Even a side like Afghanistan will play those 4 bowlers cautiously, attack the remaining and get a nice total to defend.

 

[Ab Fan]

Another poor post. My list included 12 not 14 bowlers because they are of two teams and four of them are 5th and 6th bowler of their XI

England's third bowler is Sam Curran while for MI, their third bowler is Coulter Nile and India's third bowler is T Natrajan or Shardul Thakur. SRH third bowler is Natrajan. India's 6th bowler is Pandya while England's 6th bowler is Stokes.

 

[Ab Fan]

And those 5th and 6th bowlers are batting All-rounders of the respective IPL team.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Another poor post. My list included 12 not 14 bowlers because they are of two teams and four of them are 5th and 6th bowler of their XI

England's third bowler is Sam Curran while for MI, their third bowler is Coulter Nile and India's third bowler is T Natrajan or Shardul Thakur. SRH third bowler is Natrajan. India's 6th bowler is Pandya while England's 6th bowler is Stokes.

13 if you count Nabi too. I am talking about the overall bowling lineup of both teams. They each have 2 world class bowlers while others are average.

 

[Ab Fan]

13 if you count Nabi too. I am talking about the overall bowling lineup of both teams. They each have 2 world class bowlers while others are average.

England also have Archer and Wood. Rest are average . And Wood needs rest in between the T20 matches too.

So, England's bowling attack = MI bowling attack = SRH bowling attack= DC bowling attack.

 

[topspin]

Look you can't explain sense to prevail from the usual suspects so no matter how hard you try it will be irrelevant.

I gave you example of two teams. Let's do another straight comparison of bowling attack.

Delhi Capitals vs South Africa:-

Rabada= Rabada
Nortje = Nortje
Ashwin > SA's 1st spinner
Axar > Phelukwayo
Avesh < Ngidi

So, you can clearly see that even Delhi Capitals has better bowling attack than South Africa.

This isn't true. I would take Shamsi over Ashwin in any form of white ball cricket including T20Is.

Fakhar Zaman ended Ashwin's ODI and T20I career.

 

[Hasan123]

DC and MI have really good attacks. SRH bowling is what gets them into the play offs.

All the teams have at least 1/2 top bowlers. Even in international cricket, no team has 4/5 world class bowlers lol.

 

[jiduguravindra]

Why only quality of bowling, what about quality of batting? I think batting quality is good.

 

[wajid]

Look you can't explain sense to prevail from the usual suspects so no matter how hard you try it will be irrelevant.

I gave you example of two teams. Let's do another straight comparison of bowling attack.

Delhi Capitals vs South Africa:-

Rabada= Rabada
Nortje = Nortje
Ashwin > SA's 1st spinner
Axar > Phelukwayo
Avesh < Ngidi

So, you can clearly see that even Delhi Capitals has better bowling attack than South Africa.

That’s what I wanted to know that how domestic Indian players stack up against international ones. Interesting to note that you rate ashwin above shamsi. I rate shamsi very highly and my impression is that most top international teams still field better bowling attacks than the ones above. Even MI after Bumrah and Boult doesn’t seem capable to match top international teams. But that is my impression only as I am unaware of the history of performance of these domestic Indian players against their international counterparts.

 

[Cyclotron]

Nathan Coulter Nile is very good bowler and he is third bowler from MI.No team including England have more than 2-3 world class bowler.

 

[AMSS]

Full strength MI attack - Bumrah, Boult, NCN, Chahar, H Pandya, K Pandya, Pollard with likes of Milne on bench.

DC has Nortje, Rabada, Avesh, Umesh, Ishant, Ashwin, Mishra

There's not a SINGLE international attack comparable to above two. Not Australia, not India, not England. None.

 

[King_Kohli]

Full strength MI attack - Bumrah, Boult, NCN, Chahar, H Pandya, K Pandya, Pollard with likes of Milne on bench.

DC has Nortje, Rabada, Avesh, Umesh, Ishant, Ashwin, Mishra

There's not a SINGLE international attack comparable to above two. Not Australia, not India, not England. None.

What about our team this season

 

[Ab Fan]

What about our team this season

They will lose to Pakistan 3-2 over 5 match T20 series

Btw, who is it in your DP? Reminds me of Ranveer Singh of Padmavat.

 

[Ab Fan]

That’s what I wanted to know that how domestic Indian players stack up against international ones. Interesting to note that you rate ashwin above shamsi. I rate shamsi very highly and my impression is that most top international teams still field better bowling attacks than the ones above. Even MI after Bumrah and Boult doesn’t seem capable to match top international teams. But that is my impression only as I am unaware of the history of performance of these domestic Indian players against their international counterparts.

Shamsi has a T20 average of 27 and for Ashwin it is 22. Someone mentioned their ODI stats too. Shamsi has ODI average of 40 while for Ashwin, it is 32.

There is no comparison between two. Ashwin is comfortably better spinner than Shamsi. Given the poor run of form of Chahal and Kuldeep, we may go back to Ashwin again.

As for only two international standards pacers are there, look I explained above. Even England national T20 team has Archer and Wood only. Their third pacer is Sam Curran who was deemed non international standards by the usual suspects here during the third T20 match vs India. Then they have Rashid and Jordan.

You can see even England has only two world class pacers and out of which Wood won't be available half of the time. So, that tells me that the best sides too have only two quality bowlers and rest are mostly all-rounders and just filling up numbers.

 

[King_Kohli]

They will lose to Pakistan 3-2 over 5 match T20 series

Btw, who is it in your DP? Reminds me of Ranveer Singh of Padmavat.

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