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Quebec introduces bill banning religious symbols [Update Post #95]

Nah it’s just a distraction from real solutions. Terrorism is already going down in Pakistan. If people want to commit crimes and terrorism, they will, with or without Niqab. Aping Quebec won’t change a thing.

Of course. Can't deny that. But better to limit all such opportunities to terrorists. At the moment, it is very convenient for anyone to wear the burqa, conceal their identity and do whatsoever they wish without even being apprehended.
 
Most, if not all, terrorists in Pakistan usually dawn the burqa. Around 2 days ago, there was news of two burglars who had worn the buqra pretending to be women. Have heard similar things about India. Not statistics of course, just my personal opinion!

Crime and terrorism will not decrease by a single percent if this is banned. And you're wrong most or all terrorists wear this garment to carry out their crime.

What next ban the scarf too?
 
Can't believe how some people justify concealing your identity in this day and age for no reason at all. Not even a requirement in Islam.

In my opinion, this needs to be implemented in Pakistan and India too. Terrorism and crime will take a massive hit.

- No one is concealing identity.
- Everyone has to show face and give picture already, for license, passport, health card etc.

- It does not matter if its not required in Islam as its enough for individual to tell that he/she is doing for religious reasons and he/ she will get all the (religious ) protection under canadian constitution.

- above all, its a matter of principle, state has no right to tell anyone about dressing.(there are some laws about dressing/nudity, but I expect some of these would go away in near future )
 
Crime and terrorism will not decrease by a single percent if this is banned. And you're wrong most or all terrorists wear this garment to carry out their crime.

What next ban the scarf too?

Like I said, its all my personal opinion - I don't have any statistics to back it up with. I just personally think that the niqab makes it very convenient for terrorists and criminals to get away with their nefarious activities. Why do you say it will not decrease by a single percent? I don't think so, at least not for Pakistan.
 
- No one is concealing identity.
- Everyone has to show face and give picture already, for license, passport, health card etc.

- It does not matter if its not required in Islam as its enough for individual to tell that he/she is doing for religious reasons and he/ she will get all the (religious ) protection under canadian constitution.

- above all, its a matter of principle, state has no right to tell anyone about dressing.(there are some laws about dressing/nudity, but I expect some of these would go away in near future )

No. The veiling of your face in public is absolutely dangerous for other people, whether done for religious or personal reasons.
And anyway, if people can be stopped from being naked, they should also be stopped from hiding their face in public.
 
Like I said, its all my personal opinion - I don't have any statistics to back it up with. I just personally think that the niqab makes it very convenient for terrorists and criminals to get away with their nefarious activities. Why do you say it will not decrease by a single percent? I don't think so, at least not for Pakistan.

Because it's a piece of cloth, they will find some other cloth to cover their face.
 
I believe in Freedom of expression and that Muslim women are being targetted for this however i think the niqab/burqa should be discouraged in every society especially in Pakistan.
 
Most, if not all, terrorists in Pakistan usually dawn the burqa. Around 2 days ago, there was news of two burglars who had worn the buqra pretending to be women. Have heard similar things about India. Not statistics of course, just my personal opinion!

That's a contradiction though. Do most terrorists utilise the burka or not? Any research available for this?
 
That's a contradiction though. Do most terrorists utilise the burka or not? Any research available for this?

Support for the veil to get banned is my opinion, not the former.

And I watch the news. Think that's enough.
 
Quebec judge temporarily suspends province’s ‘burqa ban’

A Quebec judge on Friday temporarily suspended part of the province’s new religious neutrality law that prohibits anyone who covers their face from accessing or providing basic public services such as health care, public transit, and social assistance.

Earlier this month, civil rights groups and women who wear the niqab, filed a constitutional challenge against Bill 62 that was passed by the French-speaking province this fall. They argued the burqa ban — the first of its kind in North America — violated religious freedoms and promoted Islamophobia and intolerance.

Quebec Superior Court Justice Babak Barin ruled that the face-covering portion of the law must be put on hold until the government creates specific guidelines on how the face-covering restrictions would be implemented.

Quebec has said it won’t have any such guidelines ready until next year, according to the CBC. The province defended the face-covering ban in court as necessary for the government to properly identify those receiving services, and argued that it did not discriminate against any particular religious group.

In response to concerns that the law would foster further anti-Muslim sentiment in Quebec and compromise religious expression, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau initially said that it wasn’t up the federal government to weigh in on the issue. He subsequently backtracked, and said that his government was monitoring the Quebec face-covering law and how it would be carried out in practice.

“I don’t think it’s the business of a government to legislate what a woman should or shouldn’t wear,” said Trudeau at the time. “We’re listening to the questions being asked about it and, internally, we’re in the process of studying the different processes we could initiate or that we could join.”

The Quebec law mirrors laws that have been adopted in Europe and elsewhere. This October, Austria banned full face veils in schools and courts, and Austrian police officers have been granted the ability to force women to uncover their faces and face a possible fine for not doing so.

https://news.vice.com/story/quebec-judge-temporarily-suspends-provinces-burqa-ban
 
Good on the judge. In if you ban face covering it must be for all. No burkas, no scarfs(around the face) with hats too.
 
Judge suspends Quebec face-covering ban, says it appears to violate charter

The portion of Quebec's religious neutrality law that dictates when Quebecers must leave their faces uncovered in order to receive public services has been suspended for a second time, only days before it was slated to go into effect.

Quebec Superior Court Justice Marc-André Blanchard issued the ruling Thursday, handing another victory to civil liberties groups that argue the law discriminates against Muslim women who wear niqab​s or burkas.

Blanchard said Section 10, which pertains to face coverings, appears to be "a violation" of the Canadian and Quebec charters, which "provide for freedom of conscience and religion."

The judge concluded that "irreparable harm will be caused to Muslim women" if the relevant section of the law had gone into effect on July 1.

He ordered Section 10 suspended until a challenge to the law is heard in court.

The same portion of the law was suspended in December.

In that ruling, another Quebec Superior Court justice ordered the provincial government to produce accommodation guidelines dictating how the restrictions on face coverings would work in practice.

Those guidelines are slated to go into effect July 1, but the sections on face coverings will now no longer apply.

The civil rights groups challenging the law argued the guidelines place a greater burden on the individuals affected.

"We're very happy with the decision," said Catherine McKenzie, who was part of the legal team that challenged the law's constitutionality on behalf of Warda Naili, a Quebec woman who wears a niqab.

"This law has an important impact on women who cover their faces for religious reasons. Women were going to be potentially cut off from very basic services so it was important for us to ask for the law to be stayed again."

A spokesperson for Justice Minister Stéphanie Vallée, who has been the point person on the law, said the government is analyzing the judgment and that it is still within the 30-day appeal period.


'Confusion and uncertainty'

In his ruling, Blanchard also noted there is still "confusion and uncertainty" about how the process will work.

The guidelines, released in May, state that exemptions to the law, previously known as Bill 62, can only be granted to individuals on religious grounds if the demand is serious, doesn't violate the rights of others and doesn't impose "undue hardships."

The Quebec government left it up to individual public bodies, however, to decide how to handle accommodation requests, and requires each body to appoint an official to make those decisions.

When the guidelines were announced in May, Vallée said each request needs to be taken in its own context.

"If a person wearing a burka or a niqab wants to make a request, that request will be processed," said Vallée.

"It would be determined on a case by case [basis], following a request. Is this someone who has a sincere belief who is wearing this piece of clothing regularly, in their daily life, or if the request is being put forward with the aim of getting an advantage."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-bill-62-face-covering-july1-1.4724863
 
Burqas are not mentioned in the Quran and can be a potential security threat. But than again, so can other garbs that hide parts of the body such as a pestemal or a turban.

It’s a brave decision on the part of Quebec regardless.
 
Quebec introduces bill banning religious symbols

The Canadian province of Quebec has introduced legislation that will ban public sector employees from wearing religious symbols during work hours, a controversial move that critics say targets Muslim women who wear hijabs or other head coverings.

It will also apply to crucifixes and yarmulkes.

The proposed law, introduced on Thursday, sets the province's right-leaning Coalition Avenir Quebec (CAQ) government on a collision course with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who promotes religious freedom, in a federal election year with Quebec a vital battleground.

"It is unthinkable to me that in a free society we would legitimise discrimination against citizens based on their religion," Trudeau told reporters in Halifax on Thursday.

The legislation, which is expected to pass, will cover public workers in positions of authority, including teachers, judges and police officers. It exempts current government employees and civil servants in the mainly French-speaking province.

The bill asserts that secularity "should be affirmed in a manner that ensures a balance between the collective rights of the Quebec nation and human rights and freedoms".

Governments in Quebec have been trying for years to restrict civil servants from wearing overt religious symbols like headscarves, turbans and Jewish skullcaps at work in an effort to cement a secular society.

A ban on full-face coverings on anyone giving or receiving public services in Quebec passed in 2017, but was suspended by a Canadian judge last June and remains in legal limbo.


Condemnation over bill

The CAQ was elected late last year in part on pledges to restrict immigration and impose a secular charter. Quebec Premier Francois Legault told reporters on Thursday the bill "represents our values and it's important".

But condemnation was quick, with Jewish advocacy group B'nai Brith calling the bill "an assault on the fundamental rights and freedoms of Quebecers", while the National Council of Canadian Muslims said it will make Muslims and other minorities "second-class citizens" and overwhelmingly affect Muslim women.

Montreal Mayor Valerie Plante voiced "serious concern about the message that this bill sends to minorities about their fundamental rights".

The important thing, she said, was that the process of making laws was secular, not that people divested themselves of religious attire and symbols.

Teachers unions said they would not enforce the law, while pundits and the government's own lawyers, according to reports, anticipate a court challenge for contravening Canadians' Charter right to personal religious freedom.

This is the fourth attempt by successive Quebec governments to try to get the bill turned into law.

Like France, which passed a ban on veils, crosses and other religious symbols in schools in 2004, Quebec has struggled to reconcile its secular identity with a growing Muslim population, many of them North African emigrants.

Eight other European countries enforce restrictions on religious attire.

While the Quebec legislation does not single out any religion by name, Muslim headgear has long been a source of public debate in Quebec.

Quebec's minister for the status of women drew condemnation from opposition politicians earlier this year after she said the hijab (a headscarf worn by many Muslim women who feel it is part of their religion) is a symbol of female oppression.

And a Montreal-area municipal politician faced backlash this weekend after she wrote a Facebook post expressing her anger over being treated by a doctor wearing a hijab, calling the headscarf a symbol of the "Islamification of our country".

To shield the new legislation from legal challenges, the Quebec government is invoking a rarely used clause that enables it to override the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom for up to five years.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...anning-religious-symbols-190329075629378.html
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People can call police if secular dress code not adhered to, Quebec Public Security Minister says <a href="https://t.co/WMag402nvz">https://t.co/WMag402nvz</a> <a href="https://t.co/7FaNnObOnq">pic.twitter.com/7FaNnObOnq</a></p>— The Globe and Mail (@globeandmail) <a href="https://twitter.com/globeandmail/status/1113241990685020161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2019</a></blockquote>
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No reason to ban hijab, yarmulke, crucifix, and I say this as an atheist (was raised devout Muslim).

I can understand the niqab being banned, and possibly even burqa (more referring to the body component than the head), as that could be abused (unfortunately so).
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After tweeting a picture of himself with human rights activist Malala Yousafzai, Quebec’s education minister was reminded that Yousafzai, who wears an Islamic head scarf, wouldn’t be legally permitted to teach in Quebec under his government’s Bill 21.<a href="https://t.co/A2VVRH4tBw">https://t.co/A2VVRH4tBw</a></p>— TorontoStar (@TorontoStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1147348201709682688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6 July 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Quebec education minister says Malala can teach here if she removes headscarf <a href="https://t.co/ej0UnzSXpk">https://t.co/ej0UnzSXpk</a> <a href="https://t.co/qbX45zZtp4">pic.twitter.com/qbX45zZtp4</a></p>— Montreal Gazette (@mtlgazette) <a href="https://twitter.com/mtlgazette/status/1147512254264422400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6 July 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After tweeting a picture of himself with human rights activist Malala Yousafzai, Quebec’s education minister was reminded that Yousafzai, who wears an Islamic head scarf, wouldn’t be legally permitted to teach in Quebec under his government’s Bill 21.<a href="https://t.co/A2VVRH4tBw">https://t.co/A2VVRH4tBw</a></p>— TorontoStar (@TorontoStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1147348201709682688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6 July 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Quebec education minister says Malala can teach here if she removes headscarf <a href="https://t.co/ej0UnzSXpk">https://t.co/ej0UnzSXpk</a> <a href="https://t.co/qbX45zZtp4">pic.twitter.com/qbX45zZtp4</a></p>— Montreal Gazette (@mtlgazette) <a href="https://twitter.com/mtlgazette/status/1147512254264422400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6 July 2019</a></blockquote>
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Their country, their rules.
I hope they can also respect other countries when they reject western/secular culture and follow their own culture.
 
I didn't even know what Quebec was. That being said, their country their rules. Don't like it, leave it.
 
Quebec is the toughest place in Canada. They are different than rest of Canada. I personally wouldn't want to live there.
 
I'll be honest - I just threw all of them in the post. I have no idea what the differences between each of them are, all of them look the same to me.

Hijab means head covering

The burka is a long, voluminous outer garment that covers the entire body, with a grille covering the face.

Niqab is the veil
 
Burqas are not mentioned in the Quran and can be a potential security threat. But than again, so can other garbs that hide parts of the body such as a pestemal or a turban.

It’s a brave decision on the part of Quebec regardless.

Quran is not a book of encyclopedia , The Quran was revealed to a prophet
 
Crime and terrorism will not decrease by a single percent if this is banned. And you're wrong most or all terrorists wear this garment to carry out their crime.

What next ban the scarf too?
Will rape and sexual harassment decrease if bikinis, mini skirts and other revealing clothing are banned?
 
Their country, their rules.
I hope they can also respect other countries when they reject western/secular culture and follow their own culture.

I didn't even know what Quebec was. That being said, their country their rules. Don't like it, leave it.

Rules can be considered wrong and thus people can fight to get them changed for example black slavery in USA not too long time ago. With your thinking black slavery would still be ok
 
Rules can be considered wrong and thus people can fight to get them changed for example black slavery in USA not too long time ago. With your thinking black slavery would still be ok

Their rules, their country. Don't like it...leave it. You immigrants run away to the west and make a mockery of yourselves. Nobody has a pistol pointed at you forcing to you live in the US, Canada, UK etc. Respect the rules of that land...don't like it?

Leave it.
 
Their rules, their country. Don't like it...leave it. You immigrants run away to the west and make a mockery of yourselves. Nobody has a pistol pointed at you forcing to you live in the US, Canada, UK etc. Respect the rules of that land...don't like it?

Leave it.

Or fight it, nothing makes one become part of society like protesting against the unjust rules and getting involved in local issues, also second generation immigrants have no choice they are born there and are as Canadians as the right wing , its not their fault if their parents moved there.
 
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I cant believe Sikhs across Canada are not questioning this law, shows the sahib attitude.

All I see is Sikh women protesting against it, kudos to them.
 
Will rape and sexual harassment decrease if bikinis, mini skirts and other revealing clothing are banned?

You live in the US, must have been to beaches many times. HEre in the UK a 'hot' girls wearing a bikini will have men whistling at her over another woman covered. Rape is a different, those evil people just want to overpower women but sexual harrasment can be linked to dress.
 
You live in the US, must have been to beaches many times. HEre in the UK a 'hot' girls wearing a bikini will have men whistling at her over another woman covered. Rape is a different, those evil people just want to overpower women but sexual harrasment can be linked to dress.

*slow claps*
 
Their rules, their country. Don't like it...leave it. You immigrants run away to the west and make a mockery of yourselves. Nobody has a pistol pointed at you forcing to you live in the US, Canada, UK etc. Respect the rules of that land...don't like it?

Leave it.

Sure, except the rest of Canada also thinks Quebec is nuts on a number of issues.

It's a province where the local hockey team is afraid of hiring non-French speaking coaches/managers because the fanbase will get upset.
 
Or fight it, nothing makes one become part of society like protesting against the unjust rules and getting involved in local issues, also second generation immigrants have no choice they are born there and are as Canadians as the right wing , its not their fault if their parents moved there.

They may be born there, but they can move just like their parents did. Every country has the right to frame laws keeping in mind their indigenious culture. Its the immigrants who have gone there for a better life, and its them who have to adjust.
 
They may be born there, but they can move just like their parents did. Every country has the right to frame laws keeping in mind their indigenious culture. Its the immigrants who have gone there for a better life, and its them who have to adjust.

The white Canadians aren’t native to those lands they themselves are immigrants /conquerers,also nothing wrong in peaceful protests which is what is happening , not giving a damn about local laws or letting it go also doesn’t make for good immigrants.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After tweeting a picture of himself with human rights activist Malala Yousafzai, Quebec’s education minister was reminded that Yousafzai, who wears an Islamic head scarf, wouldn’t be legally permitted to teach in Quebec under his government’s Bill 21.<a href="https://t.co/A2VVRH4tBw">https://t.co/A2VVRH4tBw</a></p>— TorontoStar (@TorontoStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1147348201709682688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6 July 2019</a></blockquote>
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Nothing wrong with what he said. Malala still dresses like an oppressed Muslim female according to western standards, she has nothing to teach liberated western women.
 
Sure, except the rest of Canada also thinks Quebec is nuts on a number of issues.

It's a province where the local hockey team is afraid of hiring non-French speaking coaches/managers because the fanbase will get upset.

People that live in Quebec thing Quebec is bits trust me lol and very spot on about the hockey team and fan base as well
 
Trudeau the patron saint of brown Canadian folk hasnt said a single word about this. He is desperate for votes in Quebec and doesnt want to alienate his base there.
 
A Canadian province will soon require economic immigrants to pass a "values test" under a newly proposed policy.

Quebec Premier Francois Legault says potential immigrants to the province should be aware of values like the equal rights of men and women.

The provincial government says the test questions will be based on its charter of rights.

The policy is to take effect on 1 January 2020.

Potential immigrants can retake the online values test if they fail. A passing grade is 75%.

They also have the option of taking a course covering the topics in question if they struggle to pass.

Mr Legault said newcomers should also know about a provincial secularism bill that bars civil servants in positions of "authority" from wearing religious symbols like the kippah, turban, or hijab while at work.

That controversial legislation includes judges, police officers and teachers.

The 20-question evaluation will focus on issues including democracy, French-speaking Quebec society, state secularism, and equality between men and women.

Its goal is to ensure those newcomers "integrate in French into Quebec society and adhere to Quebec values", said provincial immigration minister Simon Jolin-Barrette.

Examples questions include: "In Quebec, men and woman have the same rights and are considered equal by law, true or false?" and "Identify which of the following examples are discriminatory: refusing to hire a women who is pregnant, a person who doesn't have the required diploma, or a person based on their ethnicity."

The values test is part of an immigration system overhaul by the centre-right CAQ party, which estimates up to 26,300 newcomers - economic immigrants and their family members - will take the test next year.

Quebec has a special agreement on immigration with Canada's federal government and has broad powers in the selection of immigrants, in particular in the economic category.

An immigrant wishing to settle in the province must apply to Quebec for a so-called "selection certificate" for which passing the new test will be a prerequisite.

He or she must obtain that certificate before applying for permanent residence with the federal government.

The policy is unlikely to be challenged by the federal government. During the recent general election, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said it is within the province's mandate to impose such a criterion.

Fo Niemi, of the Center for Research-Action on Race Relations, a non-profit civil rights organisation, says he does not oppose the values test per se, but warns "the devil is in the details".

He worries that the protection of minority rights does not appear to be a topic emphasised in the test.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50241251.
 
From bare arms in the US House of Representatives to ties in the UK's House of Commons, what politicians wear to work can say a lot about the traditions they hold dear - and the ones they want to leave behind.

Mark Zuckerberg made hoodies de rigueur in Silicon Valley.

But can they catch on in the halls of Quebec's legislature?

Quebec politician Catherine Dorion, who is a member of the left-wing Quebec Solidaire party, pushed the fashion envelope when she entered the provincial legislature wearing jeans and a hoodie sweatshirt last week.

After several colleagues complained, Ms Dorion, who represents the district of Taschereau, decided to leave, because she "didn't want to cause a scene", said a spokesperson for her party.

Her sartorial stand has sparked a debate over appropriate attire for politicians, along with a hashtag, #moncotonouatémonchoix (which translates to my hoodie, my choice).

What is the Quebec government's dress code?
The National Assembly, Quebec's provincial legislature, has no official dress code, only the guidance that members' attire should "contribute to the maintenance of decorum".

It is customary that during parliamentary proceedings, men wear a jacket and tie, and women a dress suit. Public servants are also banned from wearing religious symbols.

But last February speaker François Paradis was forced to address the issue after there were complaints about several members, mostly from Quebec Solidaire, wearing trainers, jeans and Doc Martens. He said the assembly should debate the issue, and come up with formal guidelines.

"Certainly, I do not think that it will be up to me, as president, to decide unilaterally. This is an issue which, following exchanges that we may have if necessary, will have to be decided collectively. I would strongly hope that a broad consensus emerges as is the case when we consider the possibility of reviewing our rules of procedure," he said.

He urged members to wear "city dress" or business casual, until an official dress code could be decided on.

What does Ms Dorion say?
Speaking on television programme Tout le Monde en Parle, Ms Dorian said she wears casual clothes to the assembly because she represents real people, not just the political class.

"The National Assembly is the house of the people, it is you, the world, who should be there, not all the same clique," she said.

This was not the first time her outfits have been considered a faux pas.

This Halloween, a few days before hoodiegate, Ms Dorion posted a photo on social media of herself wearing a skirt-suit and sitting on top of a desk in the National Assembly, the joke being that she was "in costume" as an old-fashioned politician.

In response, the Liberal Party filed a letter of complaint with the ethics commissioner, saying her Halloween costume was disrespectful.

She said she was "shocked and disappointed" the party would lecture her.

What has the reaction been?
Many people have spoken in support of Ms Dorion, arguing that men are not scrutinised as closely for what they wear, and that the assembly should modernise.

Some supporters even created a campaign to get women to wear a hoodie to work on Tuesday in solidarity.

"Women's bodies do not belong to you. Women's clothing choice does not belong to you," says the campaign's Facebook group.

But others say sexism has nothing to do with it, and that a sweatshirt is just not acceptable office attire.

"A little common sense please! I'm open-minded but we still have to respect certain standards in life, even if we're ultra open," wrote one person on the Facebook group created to support Ms Dorion.

Is this an issue anywhere else?
In the age of business casual and office jeans, what counts as professional attire isn't always clear - even for politicians.

Most of the debate has centred around women's attire, and whether bare arms are appropriate.

In the US, Congress bans sleeveless tops, trainers and open-toed shoes, but the rules are not always enforced. In 2017, several congresswomen protested by organising a "sleeveless Friday".

In Canada, the province of British Columbia has proposed to amend its dress code to allow for sleeveless tops.

Men sometimes run afoul of dress codes too. In Montreal, a city councillor was kicked out of a meeting for not wearing a tie. Those rules were changed in 2018.

Outgoing UK Speaker of the House John Bercow ruffled a few feathers when he said MPs did not need to wear ties. He also made waves personally when he abandoned the speaker's traditional waistcoat, cuffs and winged collar, opting instead for a more modern suit under his robe.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50381248.
 
Hijab a symbol of empowerment, not oppression, plaintiffs argue at trial of Quebec secularism law

Plaintiffs challenging Quebec’s ban on religious symbols sought to dismantle, on Tuesday, one of the main arguments made by supporters of the law — that the hijab is a symbol of female oppression and undermines gender equality.

The Laicity Act, which was passed last year amid widespread controversy, bars public teachers, and some other civil servants, from wearing religious symbols at work.

Civil rights groups and educational organizations are jointly arguing before Quebec Superior Court that the law singles out Muslim women in particular, and is unconstitutional.

Bouchera Chelbi, an elementary school teacher in Montreal who wears the hijab and is one of the plaintiffs in the case, testified Tuesday that her headscarf doesn’t foist a particular worldview on her students.

Holding out the example of women who wear high heels, Chelbi asked: “Are they imposing high heels on me?”

Chelbi also told the court that she recently taught her students to stop using gendered insults. She said her female students readily embraced the lesson: “Did my headscarf prevent that?”

But supporters of the law, commonly referred to as Bill 21, believe religious symbols like the hijab convey messages to impressionable young students that run counter to widely shared values in the province.

“For us, the hijab is a sexist symbol. Men don’t wear it. Only women do,” said Michèle Sirois, head of Pour les Droits des femmes du Québec, a pro-Bill 21 women’s advocacy group that has intervenor status in the case.

Guillaume Rousseau, a lawyer who represents another pro-Bill 21 group that has intervenor status, said banning religious symbols at school helps make them safe spaces for girls trying to escape family pressure to don religious symbols.

“Obviously, a young girl forced to wear a religious symbol would be less likely to confide in a teacher who wears a religious symbol,” Rousseau told reporters.

Hijab worn by choice, expert says

Those claims came under scrutiny during testimony Tuesday by sociologist Paul Eid, an expert in racial and religious discrimination in Quebec.

In a 100-page report submitted to the court, Eid noted that all Quebec and Canadian studies show a majority of Muslim women say they choose, and are not forced, to wear the hijab.

“The vast majority of veiled women, in Quebec and Canada, firmly believe in the equality of the sexes and are conscious of reconciling their hijab with their feminist values,” Eid wrote.

In his testimony on Tuesday, he said there was a large gap between how Muslim women see the hijab and popular stereotypes that reduce it to a symbol of oppression.

Lawyers for the plaintiffs also used Eid’s testimony to establish the broader social inequalities faced by Muslims in Quebec.

“They are among the most marginalized groups in Quebec and Canada, particularly Muslim women,” Eid said, pointing to unemployment rates that are twice as high as the national average.

He said that while public opinion studies show Quebecers are suspicious of religion in general, they also harbour a particular “hostility” for Islam.

During cross-examination, a lawyer for the Quebec government, Éric Cantin, asked if the word “hostility” was really an accurate way of describing the attitude of Quebecers.

“Frankly, it’s a term that corresponds well to the findings,” Eid said.

Looking for ways around the notwithstanding clause

At this stage of the case, it is not clear yet what role the evidence presented Tuesday will play in the overall argument being made by the plaintiffs that Bill 21 is unconstitutional.

Several plaintiffs maintain it violates Section 28 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, a relatively unused provision that guarantees gender equality.

The plaintiffs will also try to argue that even though Bill 21 doesn’t single out a particular religion, it generates indirect effects that are discriminatory. They claim that violates the unwritten principles of Canada’s constitution.

These are among a long line of novel arguments the plaintiffs are using in their effort to get the law struck down. The more familiar route of claiming the law violates religious freedom has been cut off because the law invokes the notwithstanding clause.

Premier François Legault has defended his use of the clause by saying it ensures the Quebec legislature — and not the courts — will have the final say on what role religion should have in the public sphere.

The trial resumes on Wednesday morning, when an American expert in education and inequality, Thomas Dee, is expected to testify.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/bill-21-trial-constitution-superior-court-1.5788087
 
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