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Question to meat eaters: Why do you do it?

Because if I don't eat meat , I am at risk for numerous protein energy disorders not to mention vitamin deficiencies.

And it's all fine, if you want to take supplements instead.

I know how supplements are made, and I prefer the natural things.

And it's all fine, that you would advocate supplements for the entire world, but parts of Africa and famine stricken people of the world cannot afford the dollars to buy daily supplements.

And it's all fine, you can blame the government and make laws so that everyone has supplements.

But then, the ecosystem of the world would be messed up.

And it's all fine, if you ask the lions and carnivores to manage the ecosystem, and make sure that animal population is under control,

But then who will control the lions?

In short, I eat to maintain the balance of life and provide me sustenance and life.

Those who don't are misguided or just sensitive.
 
yasir said:
On the same token why limit your love to animals only why not plants?

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People who love flora spend endless amounts of time in gardens. Plant trees and flowers, take care of them. To love flora is to spread greenery everywhere.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Because if I don't eat meat , I am at risk for numerous protein energy disorders not to mention vitamin deficiencies.

And it's all fine, if you want to take supplements instead.

I know how supplements are made, and I prefer the natural things.

And it's all fine, that you would advocate supplements for the entire world, but parts of Africa and famine stricken people of the world cannot afford the dollars to buy daily supplements.

And it's all fine, you can blame the government and make laws so that everyone has supplements.

But then, the ecosystem of the world would be messed up.

And it's all fine, if you ask the lions and carnivores to manage the ecosystem, and make sure that animal population is under control,

But then who will control the lions?

In short, I eat to maintain the balance of life and provide me sustenance and life.

Those who don't are misguided or just sensitive.
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Vegetarians aren't healthy?
 
freelance_cricketer said:
People who love flora spend endless amounts of time in gardens. Plant trees and flowers, take care of them. To love flora is to spread greenery everywhere.
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We bread plants what we like or eat, previously environment was breading them. That's where problem begins.... Rise of agriculture has devastating effect on this planets Eco system... Eating or liking plants does not solve the problem.... In order to feed ourselves we will destroy planet, there are too many of us...

Ironically when we were mainly meat eaters like many other mammals with not so intelligent brain, we were less harmful to planets Eco system....

I don't get this moral high ground of being vegetarian?? - you are missing the big picture...


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Dr_Bassim said:
A growing child needs meat as it is.
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Brother, let's talk about nutrients. Meat is one of the sources of proteins that could easily be supplemented with a Vegan diet as well. Vegan children are just just as healthy or maybe even more healthy. If a vegan is avoiding oily stuff, he's on a very good diet health wise.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Brother, let's talk about nutrients. Meat is one of the sources of proteins that could easily be supplemented with a Vegan diet as well. Vegan children are just just as healthy or maybe even more healthy. If a vegan is avoiding oily stuff, he's on a very good diet health wise.
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Vegetables don't have everything that meat has.

Of course, you could use artificial supplements, but then there's the cost factor.

I don't really think Vegans are wrong as it is, but I find its criminal to deprive a child of the right to eat a healthy diet because someone has Vegetarian Beliefs.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Please do remember when you die you will be judged for your actions. Every kukkad, bakra, gaaye, suar will be present in the court of the divine law and will testify against you and there you cant put the blame on the butcher boy alone. He is already being cooked into a pakora.
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freelance_cricketer said:
Saw caged kukads in my morning walk. The innocence and sadness on their faces has ruined my day. Unable to concentrate on work. :(

I wonder when will this sadness end. Those kukkads would look so good out of the cages.
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But dont you live 7 times?
 
After 24 years of being a vegan, I finally started eating meat. And I'm not disappointed. :akhtar
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Please do remember when you die you will be judged for your actions. Every kukkad, bakra, gaaye, suar will be present in the court of the divine law and will testify against you and there you cant put the blame on the butcher boy alone. He is already being cooked into a pakora.
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freelance_cricketer said:
Not in South Punjab where a Chandigarhian would be considered Anari if he does break 6 women's hearts minimum.
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Considering the amount of posts you have here, have you reached the Anari stage yet?
 
yasir said:
On the same token why limit your love to animals only why not plants? - why not the whole planet? - and if we some how get into other star systems,we will do the same things to their Eco systems as well....

At some point you feel we are the problem, our intelligence and awareness causes all that, I am not sure if there is a cure for that... Other than get rid of us, but somebody better (means intelligent) than us will most probably do the same....




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Plants aren't tasty as Animals. I prefer animals over plants any day.
 
Brothers,

Jai Sri Ram.

I just watched something shared by my friend on Facebook and it's disgusted me. Some CHinese family was dining upon an alive big fish. Is that for real? I mean that big mouth fish was flapping her mouth slowly, in extreme pain and this family had women and little kids and they were sticking their knives into her body and eating her alive. How low can we stoop? I sincerely wish this was a hoax because that's just not human in my book. To kill and eat alone is horrible but to eat a live animal is as low and cold as it gets. :(

#HeartBroken
 
To all vegetarians, I suggest you check out The Revenant. Will suit your tastes :ghalib
 
I am a vegetarian but I don't value all life equally. I feel bad when I see animals suffer, but don't feel anything when humans suffer. I always remind myself that these humans are the ones who have caused most suffering to the animals.
 
CricketCartoons said:
I am a vegetarian but I don't value all life equally. I feel bad when I see animals suffer, but don't feel anything when humans suffer. I always remind myself that these humans are the ones who have caused most suffering to the animals.
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I have human meat is quite tasty. Perhaps give it a go.
 
CricketCartoons said:
I am a vegetarian but I don't value all life equally. I feel bad when I see animals suffer, but don't feel anything when humans suffer. I always remind myself that these humans are the ones who have caused most suffering to the animals.
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The kind of things humans have done to animals, totally despicable. SOme of the stuff that is available on net makes me sick to my stomach. Cantonese cuisine is ridiculous.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
The kind of things humans have done to animals, totally despicable. SOme of the stuff that is available on net makes me sick to my stomach. Cantonese cuisine is ridiculous.
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That is why when I see these humans suffer I think why should I feel sorry for them..they are the same ones who have been killing and enjoying animal corpses. Don't care about these two legged creatures anymore..excluding vegetarians of course.
 
Please be warned the video under spoiler tag is not fit for audience too sensitive to cruelty.

This is not humanity. Hang your heads in shame.

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All or most living things need food, water, light, temperatures within certain limits, and air.

Plants and trees also fall in this category... Plant is a living thing as we all know... Being veg is also eating a living thing... Obviously plant cannot fly or run or walk but that doesnt make them a non-living thing

Plants are multicellular and autotrophic – they use photosynthesis to produce food using sunlight.

I have to ask the vegans can they make their own food using sunlight or photosynthesis to live... Probably plants are the vegans which produces its own food or energy using sunlight and are not rely on other organisms for food.

We humans are heterotrohic and rely on other organisms for food...SCIENCE.
 
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Humans would not have developed the mental capability to come up with concepts like vegetarianism and vegan-ism if they had not consumed meat.


Be smart, eat meat.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Please be warned the video under spoiler tag is not fit for audience too sensitive to cruelty.

This is not humanity. Hang your heads in shame.

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I agree with you on this. That is cruel. It seems quite prevalent in Chinese/Japanese culture to eat fish while it is still alive. It's some what common in French cooking as well I believe when they prepare lobsters.

As to the thread in general, most Pakistanis eat a balanced diet if meat and veg. Most common salan are usually veggies like cauliflower, potatotes, kaddu, daal, okra etc mixed in with either chicken or lamb. Only on occasions are pure meat dishes prepared. Except chicken. We love chicken :D
 
Syed1 said:
Humans would not have developed the mental capability to come up with concepts like vegetarianism and vegan-ism if they had not consumed meat.


Be smart, eat meat.
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If only World's greatest meat eaters would think like that and not get extinct ...

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Ooops!

Actually vegetarianism might have been the triggering point of mammals getting smarter than Reptiles.

Who knows!

Not a POTW by far.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Sheetal was cooking lamb steak on Masterchef just a few days after bursting into tears at the prospect of boiling a crab alive which was offensive to her Hindu beliefs. Then when she tasted her steak she said it was delicious.
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I hate her.
 
Question to sabzi khors : I don`t ask you why you don`t eat meat then why do you care about my choices ? :srt


eating meat gives you the ability to bowl fast
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Please be warned the video under spoiler tag is not fit for audience too sensitive to cruelty.

This is not humanity. Hang your heads in shame.

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I'm literally lost for words. This is normal in China??? Absolutely disgraceful. :O
 
Even science proves that animal protein is of higher quality and better absorbed by our bodies . The doctors recommend eating organ meat for certain deficiencies if you are a meat eater . In Islam , we are told to eat everything that is made halal to us but eating too much meat is unhealthy as well . We are told to eat a balanced diet , with enough meat to keep our bodies healthy .

However , it is true that people now consume more meat than ever , on a daily basis . To meet the consumption , companies have started to increase the supply of meat and dairy products with chemicals . They are harmful for us and yes , I do think we need to limit our meat consumption .
 
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I'm literally lost for words. This is normal in China??? Absolutely disgraceful. :O
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Don't know how common it is.

But is sick to see young kids and women als sharing in the cruelty paying no attention to the sufferings of the poor fish. Women give birth, at least they should be slightly more sensitive to this. Just breaks my heart to see this.
 
LooneyReturns said:
Question to sabzi khors : I don`t ask you why you don`t eat meat then why do you care about my choices ? :srt


eating meat gives you the ability to bowl fast
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Don't abuse vegans. This is a civilized discussion. Please only contribute if you have anything useful to offer. No need for this name calling you *****.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Vegetarians aren't healthy?
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It's subjective, most vegetarians are not more healthier than non veg... Heart diseases are common in India, they eat too much sweats and why is that? - because their main course vegs are not fulfilling both in calories and satisfaction. I was surprised to hear from my Indian friends that sweets or some form of desert is part of every meal(this is specially common in vegetations and Gugratis even put sugar in regular meals which was very odd for me...how can you put sugar in desi meal?

I don't think many vegetarians like to eat healthy vegetables all the time, they go for sugar, salt and fat like everybody else... They are more susceptible of bad calories because main calories are not that satisfying. Look at desi side dishes pakoras, samosas, chats, sweets etc - We use to eat lot that in one month of Ramzan and gain 10 lbs in a month... Imagined if you eat all those bad Calories all the time... I hated Ramzan because of all those oily stupid all month long...

Again it's not about vegetarian or not, it's about healthy diet, which is more easy when you have better variety then limited one!!




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People have heart diseases in India not because of vegan diet but because of excessive oily food consumption. Please get your science right everyone.

Stop talking about random scientific hypothesis. There is no established scientific fact stating a complete vegan diet to be inferior in anyway to meat based diet.

If anything there are tons of studies on the ill effects of meat consumption.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Don't know how common it is.

But is sick to see young kids and women als sharing in the cruelty paying no attention to the sufferings of the poor fish. Women give birth, at least they should be slightly more sensitive to this. Just breaks my heart to see this.
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Yeah it's ridiculous how the kid was just jumping around like it's a completely normal thing.
 
The answer to this question is evolution.

Our enzymes evolved to digest meat whose consumption aided higher encephalization and better physical growth.

Killing animals and eating meat have been significant components of human evolution that had a synergistic relationship with other key attributes that have made us human, with larger brains, smaller guts, bipedalism and language.

Larger brains benefited from consuming high-quality proteins in meat-containing diets, and, in turn, hunting and killing of large animals, butchering of carcasses and sharing of meat have inevitably contributed to the evolution of human intelligence in general and to the development of language and of capacities for planning, cooperation and socializing in particular.

Even if the trade-off between smaller guts and larger brains has not been as strong as is claimed by the expensive-tissue hypothesis, there is no doubt that the human digestive tract has clearly evolved for omnivory, not for purely plant-based diets.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
People have heart diseases in India not because of vegan diet but because of excessive oily food consumption. Please get your science right everyone.

Stop talking about random scientific hypothesis. There is no established scientific fact stating a complete vegan diet to be inferior in anyway to meat based diet.

If anything there are tons of studies on the ill effects of meat consumption.
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People have heart diseases because of high carb diets, Its time you should get your scientific facts right as there is an established scientific fact that vegan diet is inferior to meat based ones, and they are by huge margins.

As for the ill effects of meat consumption it was all bad science by pseudo doctors, it has been proven again and again, but some people are to blind to see it.

Vegans Are Deficient in Many Important Nutrients
Vitamin B12 is a water soluble vitamin that is involved in the function of every cell in the body.

It is particularly important in the formation of blood and the function of the brain.

Because B12 is critical for life and isn’t found in any amount in plants (except some types of algae), it is by far the most important nutrient that vegans must be concerned with.

In fact, B12 deficiency is very common in vegans, one study showing that a whopping 92% of vegans are deficient in this critical nutrient (1).

But B12 is just the tip of the iceberg… there are other lesser known nutrients that are only found in animal foods and are critical for optimal function of the body.

Here are a few examples:
- Animal protein contains all the essential amino acids in the right ratios. It is important for muscle mass and bone health, to name a few. Vegans don’t get any animal protein, which can have negative effects on body composition (2, 3, 4, 5).

- Creatine helps form an energy reservoir in cells. Studies show that vegetarians are deficient in creatine, which has harmful effects on muscle and brain function (6, 7, 8).

- Carnosine is protective against various degenerative processes in the body and may protect against aging. It is found only in animal foods (9, 10, 11).

- Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) is the most active form of Omega-3 fatty acids in the body and primarily found in animal foods. The plant form of Omega-3s, ALA, is inefficiently converted to DHA in the body (12, 13, 14).

Two other nutrients that have been demonized by vegan proponents are saturated fat and cholesterol.

Cholesterol is a crucial molecule in the body and is part of every cell membrane. It is also used to make steroid hormones like testosterone. Studies show that saturated fat intake correlates with increased testosterone levels (15).

Not surprisingly, vegans and vegetarians have much lower testosterone levels than meat eaters (16, 17, 18, 19).

http://authoritynutrition.com/top-5-reasons-why-vegan-diets-are-a-terrible-idea/
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In Europe, The Countries That Eat The Most Saturated Fat Have The Lowest Risk of Heart Disease

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There Are No Studies Showing That They’re (Vegan Diets) Better Than Other Diets
Despite what vegan proponents often claim, there are no controlled trials showing that these diets are any better than other diets.

They often claim that low-carb, high-fat diets (the opposite of vegan diets) are dangerous and that the evidence clearly shows vegan diets to be superior.

I disagree.

This has actually been studied in a high quality randomized controlled trial (the gold standard of science).

The A to Z study compared the Atkins (low-carb, high-fat) diet to the Ornish (low-fat, near-vegan) diet (20).

This study clearly shows that the Atkins diet causes greater improvements in pretty much all health markers, although not all of them were statistically significant:

- The Atkins group lost more weight, 10.4 lbs, while the Ornish group lost only 5.6 lbs.
- The Atkins group had greater decreases in blood pressure.
- The Atkins group had greater increases in HDL (the “good”) cholesterol.
- The Atkins group had greater decreases in Triglycerides. They went down by 29.3 mg/dL on Atkins, only 14.9 mg/dL on Ornish.
- Then the Atkins dieters were about twice as likely to make it to the end of the study, indicating that the Atkins diet was easier to follow.

Put simply, the Atkins diet had several important advantages while the Ornish diet performed poorly for all health markers measured.

Now, there are some studies showing health benefits and lower mortality in vegetarians and vegans, such as the Seventh-Day Adventist Studies (21, 22).

The problem with these studies is that they are so-called observational studies. These types of studies can only demonstrate correlation, not causation.

The vegetarians are probably healthier because they are more health conscious overall, eat more vegetables, are less likely to smoke, more likely to exercise, etc. It has nothing to do with avoiding animal foods.

In another study of 10,000 individuals, where both the vegetarians and non-vegetarians were health conscious, there was no difference in mortality between groups (23).

One controlled trial showed that a vegan diet was more effective against diabetes than the official diet recommended by the American Diabetes Association (24).

However, a low-carb diet has also been studied for this purpose and led to much more powerful beneficial effects (25).

A vegan diet may be better than the typical low-fat diet recommended by the mainstream nutrition organizations, but pretty much any diet fits that description.

Bottom Line: Despite all the propaganda, there isn’t any evidence that vegan diets are any better than other diets. Most of the studies are observational in nature.

http://authoritynutrition.com/top-5-reasons-why-vegan-diets-are-a-terrible-idea/
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Diets That Are High in Fat But Low in Carbohydrates Cause More Weight Loss Than Diets That Are Low in Fat
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The Diseases of Civilization Increased as Butter and Lard Were Replaced With Vegetable Oils and Trans Fats

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The Obesity Epidemic Started as People Reduced Their Intake of Red Meat and High-Fat Dairy products

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MYTH BUSTED: Cholesterol Rich Foods (Like Eggs) Are Bad For You
Eggs were demonized because of the high amount of cholesterol, but new studies show that they don’t raise cholesterol in the blood or contribute to heart disease. Eggs are among the most nutritious foods on the planet.
http://authoritynutrition.com/top-9-biggest-lies-about-dietary-fat-and-cholesterol/
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OH you still want to be a vegan
 
Veganism IMO is a bit extreme. By cutting out milk eggs and cheese as well as meat, people will miss out on vital vitamins and minerals. Lacto-ovo vegetarianism however seems like a perfectly good diet to me. Been trying it out for nearly a month now and I feel thinner, fitter, happier and more energetic. I also normally get ill when there is a virus going round the office, however this time I haven't for once (touch wood!)
 
James said:
Veganism IMO is a bit extreme. By cutting out milk eggs and cheese as well as meat, people will miss out on vital vitamins and minerals. Lacto-ovo vegetarianism however seems like a perfectly good diet to me. Been trying it out for nearly a month now and I feel thinner, fitter, happier and more energetic. I also normally get ill when there is a virus going round the office, however this time I haven't for once (touch wood!)
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That's encouraging.

I have cut out red meat so far this year, and will stop the chicken next.

But I'm not giving up eggs.
 
My relatives in Pakistan used to eat a mostly veg based diet on majority of the days and meat only occasionally. I still think that is the ideal diet, but these days even over there they are eating burgers and pizzas.

I can understand the vegan argument from an ethical point of view, and fair play to freelance for his staunch promotion of vegetarianism. But I'm just not that ethical when it comes to food. More bothered about health than moral issues.
 
Robert said:
That's encouraging.

I have cut out red meat so far this year, and will stop the chicken next.

But I'm not giving up eggs.
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How can a Brit become vegan, both tea and biscuits have substantial amounts of milk in them :afridi
 
Robert said:
That's encouraging.

I have cut out red meat so far this year, and will stop the chicken next.

But I'm not giving up eggs.
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Been eating lots of eggs.

A toasted fried egg sandwich with ketchup in the mornings is worth getting up for every day.
 
James said:
Veganism IMO is a bit extreme. By cutting out milk eggs and cheese as well as meat, people will miss out on vital vitamins and minerals. Lacto-ovo vegetarianism however seems like a perfectly good diet to me. Been trying it out for nearly a month now and I feel thinner, fitter, happier and more energetic. I also normally get ill when there is a virus going round the office, however this time I haven't for once (touch wood!)
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This is one of the worst ways to determine how good a diet is BECAUSE following all diets mean you stop eating processed foods, fast food and junk food. Cutting them out no matter which diet you follow will make you thinner and fitter.
 
i am a meat eater. i only like to eat meat. chicken and lamb. i hate vegetables. i began to vomit if i eat vegetables
 
Because meats tastes good I only eat meat I like Beef,Chicken,Turkey absolutely dont like goats or anyone from goat family.

Also it doesn't mean I don't like vegetables "Bhindi,Gobhi,Gajar,Torriye,Kaddu" all very yum yum




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Robert said:
That's encouraging.

I have cut out red meat so far this year, and will stop the chicken next.

But I'm not giving up eggs.
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Such a great development [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

Please don't forget to share your experiences with vegan diet. Wish you luck, it wont be bad at all if you put your mind and heart into it. There are plenty of great veg dishes out there. You will feel lighter and more energetic within a month I promise. Also you are more likely to prolong your potency, well into your 70s. Vegans are known to be impressive with women.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
My relatives in Pakistan used to eat a mostly veg based diet on majority of the days and meat only occasionally. I still think that is the ideal diet, but these days even over there they are eating burgers and pizzas.

I can understand the vegan argument from an ethical point of view, and fair play to freelance for his staunch promotion of vegetarianism. But I'm just not that ethical when it comes to food. More bothered about health than moral issues.
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Junk food is the issue. Indians wpls be relatively much healthier if they stuck to good quality veg diet but they go for pakore, samose, paranthe, bhature and what not. This where things are going bad.

Eating Dal, roti, saag, beans etc is great.

I think building a beastly body shouldn't be a rage. It requires abnormal consumption of nutrients and abnormal training routine. Norma folks should aim to be healtheir, sociel and smarter and for that you don't need abnormally high quantity animal derived proteins and supplements.

Going forward, I hope a day comes consuming meat is considered worse than consuming steroids. I know it sounds silly to regular meat eaters but the cruelty has to stop or else we can hardly point fingers at other wrong things occurring in the world. We are cold blooded murdered then , all of us. ISIS and us are the same then. They do less worse to humans then what we do to animals. All human mass murder in history pales in comparison to what we do in an year to animals.
 
All meat eaters, watch this, you owe it to yourself to see this if you love meat.

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Guys it's a humble request to please not post pics of meat here. I mean what example are we setting here? I'm bit saddened to see this behavior coming from desi folks who often get offended on religious things. Please give this an honest though, if you cannot respect the obvious and well justified sensitivity of vegans by posting pics of meat then do we as religious folks also have the right to ne offended every time a joke is made on our faith?

I want an honest answer from the people I respect here regarding this [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION] [MENTION=72950]c[/MENTION]apt rishwat [MENTION=23613]90MPH[/MENTION] [MENTION=10028]chacha kashmiri[/MENTION] [MENTION=1889]Saqs[/MENTION]

Presuming you all enjoy good meat and of course are practicing Muslims too. I totally welcome posts where this thought is rubbished with some logic like th above very good post on vegan diet lacking necessary nutrients. Whether I agree or not but that is 100% good way of debating the point. But to come over here and post meat pics all over is I am sorry to say the very worse form of behaviour. Its just unfair sometimes how atheists and vegans have absolute no right to be offended. [MENTION=2099]Cricket[/MENTION] cartoons what do you think about this? Throwing chickens literally at my face for I value what the piece would have looked like as unfried part of an alive and moving animal. I feel sad at this personally and slightly offended but I assure you still not hating any brother here. You are all very good folks.
 
I go to this desi superstore in Toronto, called Iqbal Foods. You can find whats what of Pakistani/Indian products in there. To make things even better they have a fresh meat shop in the back and you can get whatever cut of meat you want.

So one time I add ordered beef keema and some boneless chicken and went to the checkout line. The cashier in my aisle happened to be Hindu (Bindiya on her forehead, don't know whether Indian or Pakistani). When it was my turn to have my grocery scanned I laid it out on the counter and I saw the face she made when she saw the meat. She was absolutely disgusted and was dreading the prospect of touching something which is not right as per her belief system. She scanned every other item and left the meat for last and was hesitant in going head and picking it up.

I realized that I cannot put another human being through this and quickly asked her to not pick it up and I'll just scan it myself if she lets me. She was very gracious of my gesture and thanked me saying "Shukriya, beta"


I hope her employers realize her predicament and put her on a different part of the store where she doesn't have to encounter such situations on a regular basis.
 
Wow brother Syed. That was a very nice gesture from your side. Need more people with this level of respect.
 
It strengthens your faith

If you can't look at apiece of meat without going wobbly maybe you're better off having it
 
I am totally ok if some people say they prefer meat because of taste and habit of eating it from childhood. But if you are saying that you are eating meat cuz Vegeterian food is not good and sufficient for a heathy body, sorry but that's a bullload of cr@p
 
I am OK with it because the cynic in me has learned to accept that there is the law of the jungle that exists.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Junk food is the issue. Indians wpls be relatively much healthier if they stuck to good quality veg diet but they go for pakore, samose, paranthe, bhature and what not. This where things are going bad.

Eating Dal, roti, saag, beans etc is great.

I think building a beastly body shouldn't be a rage. It requires abnormal consumption of nutrients and abnormal training routine. Norma folks should aim to be healtheir, sociel and smarter and for that you don't need abnormally high quantity animal derived proteins and supplements.

Going forward, I hope a day comes consuming meat is considered worse than consuming steroids. I know it sounds silly to regular meat eaters but the cruelty has to stop or else we can hardly point fingers at other wrong things occurring in the world. We are cold blooded murdered then , all of us. ISIS and us are the same then. They do less worse to humans then what we do to animals. All human mass murder in history pales in comparison to what we do in an year to animals.
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Do you seriously get paid to talk nonsense, or does it just come natural to you.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Guys it's a humble request to please not post pics of meat here. I mean what example are we setting here? I'm bit saddened to see this behavior coming from desi folks who often get offended on religious things. Please give this an honest though, if you cannot respect the obvious and well justified sensitivity of vegans by posting pics of meat then do we as religious folks also have the right to ne offended every time a joke is made on our faith?

I want an honest answer from the people I respect here regarding this [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION] [MENTION=72950]c[/MENTION]apt rishwat [MENTION=23613]90MPH[/MENTION] [MENTION=10028]chacha kashmiri[/MENTION] [MENTION=1889]Saqs[/MENTION]

Presuming you all enjoy good meat and of course are practicing Muslims too. I totally welcome posts where this thought is rubbished with some logic like th above very good post on vegan diet lacking necessary nutrients. Whether I agree or not but that is 100% good way of debating the point. But to come over here and post meat pics all over is I am sorry to say the very worse form of behaviour. Its just unfair sometimes how atheists and vegans have absolute no right to be offended. [MENTION=2099]Cricket[/MENTION] cartoons what do you think about this? Throwing chickens literally at my face for I value what the piece would have looked like as unfried part of an alive and moving animal. I feel sad at this personally and slightly offended but I assure you still not hating any brother here. You are all very good folks.
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Yes, this is disrespectful and should be discouraged. Very immature thing to do.
 
Saqs said:
I am OK with it because the cynic in me has learned to accept that there is the law of the jungle that exists.
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But where is the jungle bro? Are we having to hunt for life?

Modern day society is anything but jungle life. Industry scale mass slaughter of farm animals in thousands and millions every day is the lowest humans have stopped since inception IMO. Lower than Nazis, ISIS or anything.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
But where is the jungle bro? Are we having to hunt for life?

Modern day society is anything but jungle life. Industry scale mass slaughter of farm animals in thousands and millions every day is the lowest humans have stopped since inception IMO. Lower than Nazis, ISIS or anything.
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The world is a jungle. Nothing has changed the mentality of species.
 
Veganism is very unhealthy but then red meat is hardly healthy either. Its about striking the right balance. Vegetarianism is fine but veganism is just too extreme.
 
I think I had posted something on these lines in a thread about animal testing ,
As part of Evolution, We humans have relied on meat as source of energy till we discovered agriculture,

Next come the religion aspect, We can all agree that all religions preach "Do not kill other creatures as prime directive. All religions preach not to torture other creatures but....

Religions like Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism evolved in India where agriculture was flourishing and hence, the founders of these religions could easily ask the followers not to kill animals for food.

but Abrahmic religions(Islam, Christainity, judaism) evolved in the deserts of Arabia, the vegetation there could not support the life of people, so the founders accommodating for the lives of people in those lands allowed them eat meat albeit with certain strict directions, so as to be humane and be merciful about killing another creature.

Even in modern times, I dont think the whole world can sustain on just veg diet, and even then sir, there is the Big Big Block of Religious Beliefs... Dont mess with that.

PS. I enjoy Chicken for the taste and protein :D... I am a Punjabi.. cant help it :D
 
anakin said:
PS. I enjoy Chicken for the taste and protein :D... I am a Punjabi.. cant help it :D
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Everything you wrote before that turned to zero when you said that. You could have said this at the beginning so one wouldn't bother hearing you 'reason' because there is no reason.

It is a fact 99% meat eaters do it in ignorance for the taste knowing ziltch aboput the background story to that meat.
 
and i am a Punjabi too, easily 'helping it'.


Lame excuses.

ISIS also enjoys raping slaves and killing people. What you enjoy isn't whats right always.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
and i am a Punjabi too, easily 'helping it'.


Lame excuses.

ISIS also enjoys raping slaves and killing people. What you enjoy isn't whats right always.
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dude, I am not justifying my personal reason for eating meat, I reasoned for more than 80% of world population which eats meat on a daily basis.

Dont go so high and mighty on me!

and seriously poor analogy, ISIS and meat eating :facepalm:

If you can get out the religous argument here,
I have given you the rational reason that agriculture of the world cannot support the world hunger even after so much advances. You want the Human population to die out of hunger because it affects your sensibilites.

PS: The Punjabi enjoying meat, part was a joke, which kinda escaped you... ( its ok! I should have worded it better)
 
I support freelance in his vision to turn India into a vegetarian nation.
 
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