Question to meat eaters: Why do you do it?

[Slog]

What about the people who are vegetarians, but not for religious reasons?

I respect them. Many Hindus are also genuinely vegetarians but a significant portion in my experience are in the category Ive described.

 

[aniket1911]

The discussion was, that your guys philosophy was flawed because plants are living organisms too, and this was your reply.




So now are you changing your mind and saying eating plants is the same as eating stunned animals.

Please clear your mind, you are contradicting yourself.

You just twisted the words without giving an answer to the question i asked.

Start again :
You: Your philosophy is flawed because plants are living organisms too.

Me: It means being's who have centralized nervous system and can feel pain. Plants don't have it mate.

To which you said that animals don't feel any pain while slaughtering. Without providing any credible study to prove your point.

While i shared a credible source to prove otherwise. You distanced yourself from conventional slaughtering amd emphasized on halal slaughtering in which brain gets cut off and the animal become unconscious.

And while i shared another article showing the reality of halal slaughtering (sure there must be many places where properly halal slaughtering is followed)

You just twisted words to refrain from answering.

 

[aniket1911]

It's always funny to see Hindus who don't eat meat due to their religion try to get a moral high ground and claim that they don't do it because of some moral epiphany.

One should atleast have enough pride to admit that they are doing something because of their religion rather than try to spin it some other way and look 'cool.' We all know you'd be in line for a scrumptious juicy steak if it weren't forbidden by your religion

Eating meat is not prohibited in Hinduism except cows( although that's more of a cultural thing rather than religious).

So a hindu vegetarian have all the Right in the world to question(not ridicule) any non-vegetarian just like non-hindu vegetarians have.

 

[Thivagar]

Eating meat is not prohibited in Hinduism except cows( although that's more of a cultural thing rather than religious).

So a hindu vegetarian have all the Right in the world to question(not ridicule) any non-vegetarian just like non-hindu vegetarians have.

ladies of your household where silk right ? Doesn't it contain 1000s of body parts belonging to the silk insect? How about leather ? Wool ?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Like i said before the smiley is not going to make you look any better. You have only given rants, insults and absurd assumptions with no backup.

Son, get past 5th grade then we will continue this discussion.

Yeap keep running away little kid , dont you worry ill be here to keep this going till the end of time

 

[Romali_rotti]

You just twisted the words without giving an answer to the question i asked.

Start again :
You: Your philosophy is flawed because plants are living organisms too.

Me: It means being's who have centralized nervous system and can feel pain. Plants don't have it mate.

To which you said that animals don't feel any pain while slaughtering. Without providing any credible study to prove your point.

While i shared a credible source to prove otherwise. You distanced yourself from conventional slaughtering amd emphasized on halal slaughtering in which brain gets cut off and the animal become unconscious.

And while i shared another article showing the reality of halal slaughtering (sure there must be many places where properly halal slaughtering is followed)

You just twisted words to refrain from answering.

Petro kid is all butt hurt,very gullible with ZERO backups to prove his garbage, look at his reasoning; Vince Gironda had an IQ of 150 along a lean ripped physique and all he did was eat steak and eggs ). Steak and Eggs must give everyone a ripped physique with a overblown IQ, good lord genetics apparently don't play a part in it which is why we see millions of people put there with a similar physique and IQ all over the world

 

[Romali_rotti]

It's always funny to see Hindus who don't eat meat due to their religion try to get a moral high ground and claim that they don't do it because of some moral epiphany.

One should atleast have enough pride to admit that they are doing something because of their religion rather than try to spin it some other way and look 'cool.' We all know you'd be in line for a scrumptious juicy steak if it weren't forbidden by your religion

I don't totally disagree with this, there maybe hindu's who are voicing their anti-meat agenda for religious purposes and I don't think that is wrong either. There is nothing wrong if a muslim refuses to eat a pig due to religious reasons, personally it is ethics for me as far as red meat and diary is concerned and am moving towards a sustainable vegan lifestyle I can stick to once I fully become one.

 

[PetroDollars]

You just twisted the words without giving an answer to the question i asked.

Start again :
You: Your philosophy is flawed because plants are living organisms too.

Me: It means being's who have centralized nervous system and can feel pain. Plants don't have it mate.

To which you said that animals don't feel any pain while slaughtering. Without providing any credible study to prove your point.

While i shared a credible source to prove otherwise. You distanced yourself from conventional slaughtering amd emphasized on halal slaughtering in which brain gets cut off and the animal become unconscious.

And while i shared another article showing the reality of halal slaughtering (sure there must be many places where properly halal slaughtering is followed)

You just twisted words to refrain from answering.

No, your just coming across as being confused, so make your mind up first then we will continue the discussion.

Are you against meat eating because it cause pain to the animal, or now are you only against halal meat after learning stun meat also exists in this world.

...and no you didnt provide a credible source, you provided a quote and when i asked for the source you gave the link to something else.

Lastly i didn't distance myself from conventional slaughtering anywhere, i was talking about halal meat as thats what i eat.

So answer those question and we can continue.

 

[PetroDollars]

Yeap keep running away little kid , dont you worry ill be here to keep this going till the end of time

Petro kid is all butt hurt,very gullible with ZERO backups to prove his garbage, look at his reasoning; Vince Gironda had an IQ of 150 along a lean ripped physique and all he did was eat steak and eggs ). Steak and Eggs must give everyone a ripped physique with a overblown IQ, good lord genetics apparently don't play a part in it which is why we see millions of people put there with a similar physique and IQ all over the world

Ohh what a rant, they keep getting better and better.

Its always good to have a little kid in the discussions, keeps the entertainment levels up, keep at it son.

I just love the your English though, reminds me of the English classes we had in school as a 10 year old. )

 

[aniket1911]

ladies of your household where silk right ? Doesn't it contain 1000s of body parts belonging to the silk insect? How about leather ? Wool ?

That's a moot point in the context of my reply. As i was questioning why is it hypocritical for any pure vegetarian hindu to question non-veg.

But since you asked, invertebrates like silk-worm doesn't feel pain like cows, animals do and there is no credible study to prove otherwise and pretty sure we don't kill sheeps for wool.
So not sure what are you trying to say mate.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Ohh what a rant, they keep getting better and better.

Its always good to have a little kid in the discussions, keeps the entertainment levels up, keep at it son.

I just love the your English though, reminds me of the English classes we had in school as a 10 year old. )

Yeap keep running kid ... Still got no come back.. Ahhh I am loving this ..

 

[PetroDollars]

Yeap keep running kid ... Still got no come back.. Ahhh I am loving this ..

Are you even normal?

I guess this has to do with the inflammatory effects to the brain of a vegan diet )

 

[Bhaijaan]

Successfully converted another friend over a coffee yesterday.

Really enjoying the new found respect my friends and families have for me,

 

[Muhammad10]

Alhamdulillah, just ate some delicious kababs with broccoli. #Yummy #NoGuilt #Don'tJudge #ToEachHisOwn

 

[carrom_ball]

Vegan life is more ethical, it is fine if you are not vegan, even I am not but at least people should acknowledge that it is more ethical to lead that lifestyle and it should be followed by more people, anytime someone talks about veganism, people start trolling about eating meat. It is ridiculous and stupid

 

[Thivagar]

Vegan life is more ethical, it is fine if you are not vegan, even I am not but at least people should acknowledge that it is more ethical to lead that lifestyle and it should be followed by more people, anytime someone talks about veganism, people start trolling about eating meat. It is ridiculous and stupid

If vegetable starts tasting like meat, everyone will convert. Sadly, veggie still taste like garbage.

 

[yasir]

Vegan life is more ethical, it is fine if you are not vegan, even I am not but at least people should acknowledge that it is more ethical to lead that lifestyle and it should be followed by more people, anytime someone talks about veganism, people start trolling about eating meat. It is ridiculous and stupid

I don't get this moral high ground of being vegan or vegetarian... How being vegetarian help this planet??

The advent of agriculture was the start of destruction of natural environment of this planet...before that we were as harmful as any other animal or planet in the foot chain, equal and less significant... Now whatever we eat or consume is bread or developed by us meat or plants, nothing is natural since we started agricultural some 10,000 years ago...

It is our intelligence and awareness that has much greater impact on this planet not what we eat... As long as we are that many, no matter what we eat is not going to save the planet...

We are also In the process of developing food that is meat based but does not involve killing animals, so this is not the major problem to solve...

how can we be less bully to rest of the planet is really hard problem to crack, the more intelligent we get, bigger bully we end up!!


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[carrom_ball]

I don't get this moral high ground of being vegan or vegetarian... How being vegetarian help this planet??

The advent of agriculture was the start of destruction of natural environment of this planet...before that we were as harmful as any other animal or planet in the foot chain, equal and less significant... Now whatever we eat or consume is bread or developed by us meat or plants, nothing is natural since we started agricultural some 10,000 years ago...

It is our intelligence and awareness that has much greater impact on this planet not what we eat... As long as we are that many, no matter what we eat is not going to save the planet...

We are also In the process of developing food that is meat based but does not involve killing animals, so this is not the major problem to solve...

how can we be less bully to rest of the planet is really hard problem to crack, the more intelligent we get, bigger bully we end up!!


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What is there that you don't get? Who said anything about saving the planet? The planet doesn't need our saving? Just watch any slaughter house video and tell me that is ethical. If we needed meat for survival then I could understand but it is a fact that we can lead a healthy lifestyle on vegan diet. It is not hard to understand at all, you need to open your eyes

 

[anakin]

What is there that you don't get? Who said anything about saving the planet? The planet doesn't need our saving? Just watch any slaughter house video and tell me that is ethical. If we needed meat for survival then I could understand but it is a fact that we can lead a healthy lifestyle on vegan diet. It is not hard to understand at all, you need to open your eyes

OK... Lets cool our mental jets and look at the facts.

1. All our ancestors ate meat, hunted and killed animals for food. Nature has made us omnivore and why should it be unethical about something Nature designed?

2. Healthy Vegan diet? There are two major components that are severely deficient in a veg diet: Vitamin B12 and Proteins.
You need to have 1g per kg of your weight for bare minimum protein requirement: Try calculating how much protein you intake on purely veg diet. (Milk has 3.5 gms of proteins per 100 ml, thats one of the richest source for protein in veg diet)

3. The technical feasibility: About 80% of the world is primarily non-veg. Imagine the strain on agricultural resources to feed suddenly 5 times the current load on veg foods. That is despite all the advances of green revolution.Environment argument falls flat in the face of probable wiping of more than half the human population.

4. Argument against ethics or Religious argument: Ethics is more or less about culture, very subjective in nature. No religion promotes torture to other living creatures. Dharmic religion grew in India which had the advances of agriculture. The veg diet could feed the local population and hence the ethical ban on killing animals. Abrahmic religions originated in the deserts of Arabia, meat was required to sustain their population and hence the permission to eat meat, albeit with deluded and conflicting guidance of killing animals with mercy.

 

[yasir]

What is there that you don't get? Who said anything about saving the planet? The planet doesn't need our saving? Just watch any slaughter house video and tell me that is ethical. If we needed meat for survival then I could understand but it is a fact that we can lead a healthy lifestyle on vegan diet. It is not hard to understand at all, you need to open your eyes

When you eat plants they die too, don't you know that? - how is that ethical?

Plus, what about milk, that is not for us it's for animals off spring, how is all that ethical?

Reality is we eat organic food, other living beings, we just cannot live on inorganic (non living matter)... Whatever we eat will cause loss of life... Protein is important part of our diet, we cannot live without it.

There is another problem with vegan or vegetarian diet, it's not balanced, they end up eating too much sugar, have you noticed amount of sweets they consume.... Lot of dairy products involve eggs or milk both are coming from animals any way[emoji6][emoji6][emoji6]

Industry will go in the direction of producing leather and meat without killing animals in near future, not because of ethics but efficiency

Leather and meat without killing animals
https://www.ted.com/talks/andras_forgacs_leather_and_meat_without_killing_animals




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[carrom_ball]

OK... Lets cool our mental jets and look at the facts.

1. All our ancestors ate meat, hunted and killed animals for food. Nature has made us omnivore and why should it be unethical about something Nature designed?

2. Healthy Vegan diet? There are two major components that are severely deficient in a veg diet: Vitamin B12 and Proteins.
You need to have 1g per kg of your weight for bare minimum protein requirement: Try calculating how much protein you intake on purely veg diet. (Milk has 3.5 gms of proteins per 100 ml, thats one of the richest source for protein in veg diet)

3. The technical feasibility: About 80% of the world is primarily non-veg. Imagine the strain on agricultural resources to feed suddenly 5 times the current load on veg foods. That is despite all the advances of green revolution.Environment argument falls flat in the face of probable wiping of more than half the human population.

4. Argument against ethics or Religious argument: Ethics is more or less about culture, very subjective in nature. No religion promotes torture to other living creatures. Dharmic religion grew in India which had the advances of agriculture. The veg diet could feed the local population and hence the ethical ban on killing animals. Abrahmic religions originated in the deserts of Arabia, meat was required to sustain their population and hence the permission to eat meat, albeit with deluded and conflicting guidance of killing animals with mercy.

Ah the same old arguments, how many times have they been refuted now? Let's start

1) Our ancestors did many other things which were terrible, how is that even an argument? Just because our ancestors did something doesn't make it ethical, it is clearly unethical because you are causing pain to a sentient being. Go watch some animal slaughter videos and comment that again, Unless you are catching and killing you animal yourself with your hands in the wild, it is unethical. Nature didn't make us omnivore, we are not designed to eat raw meat. Even if nature made us an omnivore, we clearly don't need meat to survive, so it still comes down to choice.

2) Overused argument, I am into bodybuilding, trust me I calculate each calorie and nutrients before eating, it is a myth that vegan diet is low on protein. There are enough protein sources in plants, just go and check how many vegan bodybuilders are around, one of the strongest man in the world (I forgot his name) is vegan. vitamin B12 deficiency is exaggerated, vitamin b12 is easily available through tablets, there are so many products available which are fortified with b12

3) Do you how much feed is required to feed the livestock, meat industry is putting more strain on agriculture, go check the stats. There are so many reports out there which give details about the amount of food required to feed animals grown for meat. It will be more sustainable to to go vegan.

4) I am not a religious guy, I don't care about the religious argument. Ethics is not subjective if it is hurting other beings.

With all that said, let me tell you I am not vegan, I am not even vegetarian, I do eat meat sometimes, I do drink milk and eat eggs, but that doesn't mean I can't acknowledge the wrong, people who start trolling about vegan lifestyle are ignorant about the impact of meat industry on the world. I am trying to move towards a more vegetarian lifestyle. I am not telling anyone to stop eating meat but at least don't be ignorant about facts, people living a vegan lifestyle have a higher moral ground with other things being equal. FACT

 

[yasir]

^ you also have to realize when we change the animals or plants Eco system they die out any way... Why tigers and other cats are vanishing? - we are not eating them... We are distorying wild life and their Eco system with our population... Our presence is much bigger danger than what we eat...


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[carrom_ball]

When you eat plants they die too, don't you know that? - how is that ethical?

Plus, what about milk, that is not for us it's for animals off spring, how is all that ethical?

Reality is we eat organic food, other living beings, we just cannot live on inorganic (non living matter)... Whatever we eat will cause loss of life... Protein is important part of our diet, we cannot live without it.

There is another problem with vegan or vegetarian diet, it's not balanced, they end up eating too much sugar, have you noticed amount of sweets they consume.... Lot of dairy products involve eggs or milk both are coming from animals any way[emoji6][emoji6][emoji6]

Industry will go in the direction of producing leather and meat without killing animals in near future, not because of ethics but efficiency

Leather and meat without killing animals
https://www.ted.com/talks/andras_forgacs_leather_and_meat_without_killing_animals




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Please bring something new to the table, the same old plants die too argument- Problem isn't with dying, problem is with causing pain, plants don't have a nervous system, they don't feel pain, and I am okay with killing animals too as long as it is necessary.

I like milk, I am not a vegan, vegans are against milk too but I am not, vegetarian life is perfectly fine, although I agree vegan is more ethical.

Protein, seriously, how much do you know about protein sources? I eat 130 grams of protein everyday from vegetarian diet alone

Man you arguments are so weak and old, all these have been dealt with already, just google any vegan youtube channel and see a video, all these arguments have been smashed to the ground with facts and stats.

I have no problem with meat or leather produced without killing or hurting animals

 

[carrom_ball]

^ you also have to realize when we change the animals or plants Eco system they die out any way... Why tigers and other cats are vanishing? - we are not eating them... We are distorying wild life and their Eco system with our population... Our presence is much bigger danger than what we eat...


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Again, you are conflating two different things, I am arguing that vegan lifestyle is more ethical than non vegan lifestyle, we are still causing harm to the environment no doubt, but I am not arguing that point

 

[anakin]

Ah the same old arguments, how many times have they been refuted now? Let's start

1) Our ancestors did many other things which were terrible, how is that even an argument? Just because our ancestors did something doesn't make it ethical, it is clearly unethical because you are causing pain to a sentient being. Go watch some animal slaughter videos and comment that again, Unless you are catching and killing you animal yourself with your hands in the wild, it is unethical. Nature didn't make us omnivore, we are not designed to eat raw meat. Even if nature made us an omnivore, we clearly don't need meat to survive, so it still comes down to choice.

2) Overused argument, I am into bodybuilding, trust me I calculate each calorie and nutrients before eating, it is a myth that vegan diet is low on protein. There are enough protein sources in plants, just go and check how many vegan bodybuilders are around, one of the strongest man in the world (I forgot his name) is vegan. vitamin B12 deficiency is exaggerated, vitamin b12 is easily available through tablets, there are so many products available which are fortified with b12

3) Do you how much feed is required to feed the livestock, meat industry is putting more strain on agriculture, go check the stats. There are so many reports out there which give details about the amount of food required to feed animals grown for meat. It will be more sustainable to to go vegan.

4) I am not a religious guy, I don't care about the religious argument. Ethics is not subjective if it is hurting other beings.

With all that said, let me tell you I am not vegan, I am not even vegetarian, I do eat meat sometimes, I do drink milk and eat eggs, but that doesn't mean I can't acknowledge the wrong, people who start trolling about vegan lifestyle are ignorant about the impact of meat industry on the world. I am trying to move towards a more vegetarian lifestyle. I am not telling anyone to stop eating meat but at least don't be ignorant about facts, people living a vegan lifestyle have a higher moral ground with other things being equal. FACT

1. Its about Nature, Nature made us this way. Usually the proponents of beg diet stick to being natural. I talked about being an omnivore as something what Nature has designed.

2. Again, Do the Maths on protein, Plants dont have that much protein else you are eating a lot of calories,
A rough estimate i can put for you is that you would need to eat around 3000 Calories in veg diet to make up for a normal protein requirement, that will make you obese, and if you exercise more your protein intake goes up(Bodybuilding requirement is 1.5 - 2 g per kg)
I did not know that supplements are supposed to be parts of your primary overall diet??

3. Again, dont just put armchair analysis, like people who go onto say we should all go solar / wind power and protest irrationally at thermal plants. The land used for livestock is not all that can be converted to agriculture. AND BTW,those lands provide Oxygen, where as agricultural land is harmful than a forest land in general. Humans don't eat grass, they need cereals as primary base in a veg diet.
A very naive and ill informed point you put that Veg diet can sustain the world.

4. Ethics are always subjective. Objectively, you are destroying plant life, capturing animals for milk, they can be seen as cruelty. Ethics are always subject to the cultures and times, there is no objectivity in them.

Another point of ethics, to eventually be able to sustain veg populations, we need Genetically Modified foods,
plenty of Environmentalist call that an unethical. Crossbreading of animals to give more milk was considered unethical. Ethics are always what we choose bro, they vary and are not objective.

 

[carrom_ball]

1. Its about Nature, Nature made us this way. Usually the proponents of beg diet stick to being natural. I talked about being an omnivore as something what Nature has designed.

2. Again, Do the Maths on protein, Plants dont have that much protein else you are eating a lot of calories,
A rough estimate i can put for you is that you would need to eat around 3000 Calories in veg diet to make up for a normal protein requirement, that will make you obese, and if you exercise more your protein intake goes up(Bodybuilding requirement is 1.5 - 2 g per kg)
I did not know that supplements are supposed to be parts of your primary overall diet??

3. Again, dont just put armchair analysis, like people who go onto say we should all go solar / wind power and protest irrationally at thermal plants. The land used for livestock is not all that can be converted to agriculture. AND BTW,those lands provide Oxygen, where as agricultural land is harmful than a forest land in general. Humans don't eat grass, they need cereals as primary base in a veg diet.
A very naive and ill informed point you put that Veg diet can sustain the world.

4. Ethics are always subjective. Objectively, you are destroying plant life, capturing animals for milk, they can be seen as cruelty. Ethics are always subject to the cultures and times, there is no objectivity in them.

Another point of ethics, to eventually be able to sustain veg populations, we need Genetically Modified foods,
plenty of Environmentalist call that an unethical. Crossbreading of animals to give more milk was considered unethical. Ethics are always what we choose bro, they vary and are not objective.

1) Again, the nature fallacy, iphones and ipad aren't natural either, I don't get the nature argument at all, humans have evolved to a point that we don't need meat in our diet. There are also many studies refuting the omnivore arguments but I won't go into it just yet.

2) Again, I did the maths, I eat 130 grams of protein every day, Your knowledge about vegan diet and protein requirements is laughable. Tell your protein argument to Patrik Baboumian vegan strongman who is breaking world records and countless other vegan bodybuilders. And how does supplements come into this? I am talking about ethics, whether or not supplements are supposed to be part of natural diet or not is another debate, but they are more ethical for sure, even junk food shouldn't be part of primary diet but people still eat it.

3) Here's some analysis for ya
http://www.worldwatch.org/node/6294

A widely cited 2006 report by the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization, Livestock's Long Shadow, estimates that 18 percent of annual worldwide GHG emissions are attributable to cattle, buffalo, sheep, goats, camels, pigs, and poultry. But recent analysis by Goodland and Anhang finds that livestock and their byproducts actually account for at least 32.6 billion tons of carbon dioxide per year, or 51 percent of annual worldwide GHG emissions.

4. Ethics is NOT always subjective. Ethics can be subjective sometimes, but in this case it is clearly not.

Objectively, you are destroying plant life, capturing animals for milk, they can be seen as cruelty. [B]Ethics are always subject to the cultures and times, there is no objectivity in them.[/B]

I never said it was ethical, I said vegans diet is more Ethical learn the difference, Ethics do have objectivity, killing someone for no reason is seen as objectively wrong everywhere, or is it subjective to you? Answer this

Your knowledge on these subjects is low, trust me I am short on time becasue I have an exam coming up, I will give you a detailed reply backed with reports in 2 weeks because I can't waste my time searching for all the reports. I am currently studying climate change, ethics and I have many reports to back up my claim. So you'll have to wait because I can't continue this argument just yet. See you in 2 weeks

 

[Bhaijaan]

Very well informed posts Carrom bhai.

Keep it up.

 

[anakin]

1) Again, the nature fallacy, iphones and ipad aren't natural either, I don't get the nature argument at all, humans have evolved to a point that we don't need meat in our diet. There are also many studies refuting the omnivore arguments but I won't go into it just yet.

2) Again, I did the maths, I eat 130 grams of protein every day, Your knowledge about vegan diet and protein requirements is laughable. Tell your protein argument to Patrik Baboumian vegan strongman who is breaking world records and countless other vegan bodybuilders. And how does supplements come into this? I am talking about ethics, whether or not supplements are supposed to be part of natural diet or not is another debate, but they are more ethical for sure, even junk food shouldn't be part of primary diet but people still eat it.

3) Here's some analysis for ya
http://www.worldwatch.org/node/6294


4. Ethics is NOT always subjective. Ethics can be subjective sometimes, but in this case it is clearly not.

Objectively, you are destroying plant life, capturing animals for milk, they can be seen as cruelty. [B]Ethics are always subject to the cultures and times, there is no objectivity in them.[/B]

I never said it was ethical, I said vegans diet is more Ethical learn the difference, Ethics do have objectivity, killing someone for no reason is seen as objectively wrong everywhere, or is it subjective to you? Answer this

Your knowledge on these subjects is low, trust me I am short on time becasue I have an exam coming up, I will give you a detailed reply backed with reports in 2 weeks because I can't waste my time searching for all the reports. I am currently studying climate change, ethics and I have many reports to back up my claim. So you'll have to wait because I can't continue this argument just yet. See you in 2 weeks

4. You should understand the definition of objective and subjective. It will seriously help with your ethics exam.

3. Again, lacking the holistic cycle. Just looking at the emission side while ignoring that land mass actually is place which still allows for consumption of the CO2 while feeding for nearly 80% of world population. Converting all that land to farmlands is also harmful. and still won't feed even half the world.
All that land is not cultivable.

2. List your diet plzzz... no way can you keep a normal veg diet with 130 grams of protein unless you hog on
Just pure 100% milk consumption will lead you to have 2200 Calories to have 130 grams of protein. and this is purely MILK. Other foods have much higher calorie to Protein ratio. So just rant of utter lies.

1. This point was just in case you wanted to talk being one with nature. which you are not raising . So we will let it be.

 

[carrom_ball]

4. You should understand the definition of objective and subjective. It will seriously help with your ethics exam.

3. Again, lacking the holistic cycle. Just looking at the emission side while ignoring that land mass actually is place which still allows for consumption of the CO2 while feeding for nearly 80% of world population. Converting all that land to farmlands is also harmful. and still won't feed even half the world.
All that land is not cultivable.

2. List your diet plzzz... no way can you keep a normal veg diet with 130 grams of protein unless you hog on
Just pure 100% milk consumption will lead you to have 2200 Calories to have 130 grams of protein. and this is purely MILK. Other foods have much higher calorie to Protein ratio. So just rant of utter lies.

1. This point was just in case you wanted to talk being one with nature. which you are not raising . So we will let it be.

I will give you detailed reports, you have to wait two weeks though, my diet consists of whey protein, milk, soy, beans etc ( not vegan I now but still vegetarian) I will also provide you with vegan diet with high protein content backed with facts

 

[anakin]

[MENTION=139973]carrom_ball[/MENTION] [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION]:

I prefer veg foods, but the points you guys are presenting are simply not consistent or hold any logical or be practical. Imposing your own preferences over others by calling others lowly or less ethical, just because you are uncomfortable with it, is just prejudicial.
[MENTION=139973]carrom_ball[/MENTION]: I hope you climatology is just at school level exam .. because at graduate or higher levels you are expected to understand all the parameters involved in the cycle for EIA (I hope you know this term).

 

[carrom_ball]

[MENTION=139973]carrom_ball[/MENTION] [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION]:

I prefer veg foods, but the points you guys are presenting are simply not consistent or hold any logical or be practical. Imposing your own preferences over others by calling others lowly or less ethical, just because you are uncomfortable with it, is just prejudicial.
[MENTION=139973]carrom_ball[/MENTION]: I hope you climatology is just at school level exam .. because at graduate or higher levels you are expected to understand all the parameters involved in the cycle for EIA (I hope you know this term).

Again no need to get so excited, wait for my detailed answer then we'll see what your knowledge level is, if you want to go personal, it is fine with me, I will surely not miss any opportunity to personally own you in my next post, we'll see how many terms you understand

 

[carrom_ball]

4. You should understand the definition of objective and subjective. It will seriously help with your ethics exam.

3. Again, lacking the holistic cycle. Just looking at the emission side while ignoring that land mass actually is place which still allows for consumption of the CO2 while feeding for nearly 80% of world population. Converting all that land to farmlands is also harmful. and still won't feed even half the world.
All that land is not cultivable.

2. List your diet plzzz... no way can you keep a normal veg diet with 130 grams of protein unless you hog on
Just pure 100% milk consumption will lead you to have 2200 Calories to have 130 grams of protein. and this is purely MILK. Other foods have much higher calorie to Protein ratio. So just rant of utter lies.

1. This point was just in case you wanted to talk being one with nature. which you are not raising . So we will let it be.

And btw while you are asking me for an analysis, you yourself haven't provided one yourself. Is the irony of your post lost on you, plz back your point 3 with appropriate evidence, I at least provided a link, all you did was ramble about land mass without attaching any links of reports. I will definitely own you but at least provide me with a challenge, I can say the same to you- learn the definition of objective and subjective. Seriously bruh are you even reading your posts?

 

[anakin]

And btw while you are asking me for an analysis, you yourself haven't provided one yourself. Is the irony of your post lost on you, plz back your 3 point with appropriate evidence, I at least provided a link, all you did was ramble about land mass without attaching any links of reports. I will definitely own you but at least provide me with a challenge, I can say the same to you learn the definition of objective and subjective. Seriously bruh are you even reading your posts?

Answer on the 130 g protein diet bro.. Unless your diet is pure Soya, and Milk... you cannot stay lean and fulfill the protein intake requirement.

I will provide the answer on you land usage cycle in more detail.

and for point 4.. Did you check the definitions of objectivity and subjectivity.

Killing someone is very much subjective based on what culture, religion, country or time you are in.
We see Killings of Shias by Islamic state as senseless, but they see it as doing their religious duty, The views on the Killings vary by the perspective. Hence, it subjective.

Objective are hard facts which cannot change with point of view or references.. simplest example=
1+1 =2.

Ethics have evolved with time and geography, they are not subjective.

 

[anakin]

The Link you showed again just talks about the emission side of things....
We are talking about the overall viability.. this paper doesn't even try to talk about that.
Read a little dude, climatology is not a simple topic about going green with Solar panel and Wind energy.
Even the most new Climatologist understand that just tackling one parameter is highly erroneous exercise,
you must read about the blunders about introducing exotic species to eliminate certain pests.

So. just dont look at just the emission side of things and say you have made a complete point.

 

[carrom_ball]

Answer on the 130 g protein diet bro.. Unless your diet is pure Soya, and Milk... you cannot stay lean and fulfill the protein intake requirement.

I will provide the answer on you land usage cycle in more detail.

and for point 4.. Did you check the definitions of objectivity and subjectivity.

Killing someone is very much subjective based on what culture, religion, country or time you are in.
We see Killings of Shias by Islamic state as senseless, but they see it as doing their religious duty, The views on the Killings vary by the perspective. Hence, it subjective.

Objective are hard facts which cannot change with point of view or references.. simplest example=
1+1 =2.

Ethics have evolved with time and geography, they are not subjective.

130 g diet - I will give you a detailed plan later but here the rough estimate - 45 g from whey protein, 35 g from casein biscuits, 1 liter milk around 25-30 gram if I remember correctly, soy has another 30 g, the rest from normal dals, brown rice etc, but that's just my plan, there are much better diets available and vegan too.

Regarding killing- That is why I clearly mentioned Killing someone for NO reason, I didn't say just killing because that can be defended in many scenarios, anyway that's all for today, I will see ya later, good bye

 

[carrom_ball]

The Link you showed again just talks about the emission side of things....
We are talking about the overall viability.. this paper doesn't even try to talk about that.
Read a little dude, climatology is not a simple topic about going green with Solar panel and Wind energy.
Even the most new Climatologist understand that just tackling one parameter is highly erroneous exercise,
you must read about the blunders about introducing exotic species to eliminate certain pests.

So. just dont look at just the emission side of things and say you have made a complete point.

Again that's just the trailer man, I will link UN reports later, why do you keep missing that part, that report is just the beginning of many more to come, stay tuned

 

[anakin]

130 g diet - I will give you a detailed plan later but here the rough estimate - 45 g from whey protein, 35 g from casein biscuits, 1 liter milk around 25-30 gram if I remember correctly, soy has another 30 g, the rest from normal dals, brown rice etc, but that's just my plan, there are much better diets available and vegan too.

Regarding killing- That is why I clearly mentioned Killing someone for NO reason, I didn't just saying killing because that can be defended in many scenarios, anyway that's all for today, I will see ya later, good bye

There you go... So basic diet for everyone should be a hugely expensive supplement Whey protein. Niceeee...
Whey protein is not advised for people who dont work out, nor can everyone afford it.
More than half your protein comes from highly processed food,More than 90% of the world cannot afford your supplement .. Sorry doesn't work.

Plenty of lactose intolerant people in the world.. any solution for that?


What exactly do you mean "NO reason"? Pray give me one example where a person kills for "No objective reason".

 

[carrom_ball]

There you go... So basic diet for everyone should be a hugely expensive supplement Whey protein. Niceeee...
Whey protein is not advised for people who dont work out, nor can everyone afford it.
More than half your protein comes from highly processed food,More than 90% of the world cannot afford your supplement .. Sorry doesn't work.

Plenty of lactose intolerant people in the world.. any solution for that?


What exactly do you mean "NO reason"? Pray give me one example where a person kills for "No objective reason".

No one requires 130g daily either, a normal person requires 50-60 grams which can be easily achieved through food, because I am into bodybuilding that's why I take supplements, I take them even on those days I eat meat. My family is vegetarian and they don't take any supplements and they still have great protein levels

 

[anakin]

Again that's just the trailer man, I will link UN reports later, why do you keep missing that part, that report is just the beginning of many more to come, stay tuned

Bub.... Such reports do come ... and did it anywhere say it talks the land used for livestock and their role in greenhouse cycle. It just talks about emissions from livestock. You propose to replace that land with farm lands.. I question the impact on greenhouse gases then.. Even then it still won't feed the whole world population. As i said all that land wont be cultivable.

You are putting arguments like in NCERT books that if cover whole of Rajasthan with Solar panels we can light up whole of India. Come out of armchair theories.

 

[carrom_ball]

Bub.... Such reports do come ... and did it anywhere say it talks the land used for livestock and their role in greenhouse cycle. It just talks about emissions from livestock. You propose to replace that land with farm lands.. I question the impact on greenhouse gases then.. Even then it still won't feed the whole world population. As i said all that land wont be cultivable.

You are putting arguments like in NCERT books that if cover whole of Rajasthan with Solar panels we can light up whole of India. Come out of armchair theories.

I don't get why are you quoting me again and again, wait for my answer and they ask whatever you have to, and please provide evidence for your claims too before asking anything

 

[Bhaijaan]

The world is slowly giving up or reducing its meat consumption but Indians being the ultimate followers of the west have taken to eating crappy chicken burgers and kfc fried chicken to a new level. Growing at a ridiculous 20% every year. Such a shame

 

[speed]

The world is slowly giving up or reducing its meat consumption but Indians being the ultimate followers of the west have taken to eating crappy chicken burgers and kfc fried chicken to a new level. Growing at a ridiculous 20% every year. Such a shame

Modi should ban foreign fast food.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Modi should ban foreign fast food.

I support these fascist hindus on one thing, but their stand on beef is very hilarious and doesn't help curb the menace of animal cruelty in India.

 

[Hawkeye]

The world is slowly giving up or reducing its meat consumption but Indians being the ultimate followers of the west have taken to eating crappy chicken burgers and kfc fried chicken to a new level. Growing at a ridiculous 20% every year. Such a shame

You should try them juicy grilled chicken burgers some day.

 

[Bhaijaan]

You should try them juicy grilled chicken burgers some day.

I did in my forgettable days. Thank God i gave up on cruelty.

 

[Vorador]

I am too far gone in my love for meat to quit it now, but if you ask me the ethics of it, there really isn't much room for a second opinion here. Vegetarianism is ethically superior to meat-consumption.

I strongly oppose the way animals are treated in farms and butcher shops. No stone should be left unturned in ensuring that these animals get to live a healthy, comfortable life, before they are killed, in the nicest way possible, for consumption. I admit this still not the most ethical treatment that animals deserve, it is more ethical than how things are going in this part of the world.

There's something I have always wondered. Do vegetarians keep carnivorous pets like cats, dogs? What do they feed them?

 

[Syed1]

If the entire world was vegetarian we would need three times the land mass of Earth to feed the entire human race. Just saying.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I am too far gone in my love for meat to quit it now, but if you ask me the ethics of it, there really isn't much room for a second opinion here. Vegetarianism is ethically superior to meat-consumption.

I strongly oppose the way animals are treated in farms and butcher shops. No stone should be left unturned in ensuring that these animals get to live a healthy, comfortable life, before they are killed, in the nicest way possible, for consumption. I admit this still not the most ethical treatment that animals deserve, it is more ethical than how things are going in this part of the world.

There's something I have always wondered. Do vegetarians keep carnivorous pets like cats, dogs? What do they feed them?

A respecting non vegetarian.

Wow, you are a rarity bhaijhaan.

 

[Vorador]

People who turn vegetarian out of ethical reasons deserve all the respect they can get.

 

[Bhaijaan]

People who turn vegetarian out of ethical reasons deserve all the respect they can get.

Even those who resort to a less heavy meat based diet. Reduce as much as possible, avoid eating stuff that you doubt isn't made ethically.

 

[Vorador]

I agree. Unfortunately, there is not a place in Pakistan where meat is prepared ethically.

 

[gattaca]

If the entire world was vegetarian we would need three times the land mass of Earth to feed the entire human race. Just saying.

We can always convert the farm in to farm and grow stuff and also you don't have to feed animals which saves grain.

 

[Spookiewookie]

We have evolved to consume both meat and veg - with the type of teeth that we have, digestive track, etc......so I personally don't have a problem in consuming meat provided it is slaughtered ethically.

Let's assume for a second that Halal is ethical - what I don't understand is that here in the UK it's very common for Halal butchers to sell Lamb meat - surely it must be cruel to slaughter a young animal? Shouldn't one be eating Mutton instead?

 

[endymion248]

While I do have a lot of respect for vegans as they gave up all foods related to animals, I feel like the vegetarian moral high-ground is highly hypocritical. If you are going to drink milk and eat eggs, you are not making much difference to animal wellfare.

 

[Spookiewookie]

While I do have a lot of respect for vegans as they gave up all foods related to animals, I feel like the vegetarian moral high-ground is highly hypocritical. If you are going to drink milk and eat eggs, you are not making much difference to animal wellfare.

Agree. having said that they are entitled to consume what they like as long as they refrain from preaching their "rightfulness" to others...

 

[Bhaijaan]

While I do have a lot of respect for vegans as they gave up all foods related to animals, I feel like the vegetarian moral high-ground is highly hypocritical. If you are going to drink milk and eat eggs, you are not making much difference to animal wellfare.

My dodhi is a low profile jatt, he has buffaloes at his farm and extracts milk in classical fashion and takes good care of the buffaloes and their babies. I can claim my milk is ethical.

I also quit eggs a while ago.


Overall, vegans are a lot less disrespectful than meat eaters. The good example of it you can find in the thread only with people posting all sort of meat pics to disrespect the cause. That is like throwing pork at a practicing muslim.

 

[MABA]

My dodhi is a low profile jatt, he has buffaloes at his farm and extracts milk in classical fashion and takes good care of the buffaloes and their babies. I can claim my milk is ethical.

I also quit eggs a while ago.


Overall, vegans are a lot less disrespectful than meat eaters. The good example of it you can find in the thread only with people posting all sort of meat pics to disrespect the cause. That is like throwing pork at a practicing muslim.

Vegans and respect? It's quite known vegans are one of the most obnoxious group out there. I have come into a contact with a few and all they will do is berate you for your choice of eating meat. Just look at this thread so many people calling meat eaters "unethical", but it's OK I know it is tough being vegetarian or vegan. The frustration of eating dull food just boils over and the target become meat eaters as they are the ones content with their dietary choices.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Vegans and respect? It's quite known vegans are one of the most obnoxious group out there. I have come into a contact with a few and all they will do is berate you for your choice of eating meat. Just look at this thread so many people calling meat eaters "unethical", but it's OK I know it is tough being vegetarian or vegan. The frustration of eating dull food just boils over and the target become meat eaters as they are the ones content with their dietary choices.

Everytime you eat meat you murder and torture an animal or more.

If a vegan reminds you of this day in day out, its not being mean but instilling a sense of realism to your diet. Be aware of what you eat. Your food has a story behind it, dont be a coward and ignore the story and just cherish the taste of it only.

 

[MABA]

Everytime you eat meat you murder and torture an animal or more.

If a vegan reminds you of this day in day out, its not being mean but instilling a sense of realism to your diet. Be aware of what you eat. Your food has a story behind it, dont be a coward and ignore the story and just cherish the taste of it only.

I'm sorry but I do not have much love for any animals. Domesticated animals such as chicken and cows are nothing but a resource to me. It's not like we are eating them into extinction. They serve a purpose and that is for for us ("us" being majority of the human race), to use them for nutritional purposes without compromising on taste. Rather than being miserable alone with their diet, vegans will try to make people who actually enjoy what they eat go down with them. I'm sorry but I will not subject myself to gastronomical torture just to save a chicken.

 

[anakin]

At home for the last few months, hence no meat. Going through withdrawal

 

[street cricketer]

At home for the last few months, hence no meat. Going through withdrawal

Why can't you eat meat at home?

 

[anakin]

Why can't you eat meat at home?

I am the heathen one, family is pious!

 

[street cricketer]

I am the heathen one, family is pious!

Ooh, like in Bajrangi Bhaijaan!

 

[nish_mate]

Wondering if there are any potential cannibals out there on PP?

Or if its offlimits to all of ya?

I personally wont be averse to the idea of farming humans for consumption- dont care if they are brought up ethically or not- just not be pumped with steroids or antibiotics and be fed on a sumptous diet- something like the wayugu beef...


Hopefully one day we will have human meat consumption accepted as well and be rearing humans for meat! smackilicious....

 

[endymion248]

My dodhi is a low profile jatt, he has buffaloes at his farm and extracts milk in classical fashion and takes good care of the buffaloes and their babies. I can claim my milk is ethical.

I also quit eggs a while ago.


Overall, vegans are a lot less disrespectful than meat eaters. The good example of it you can find in the thread only with people posting all sort of meat pics to disrespect the cause. That is like throwing pork at a practicing muslim.

What happens to the buffaloes once they die?

 

[Bhaijaan]

What happens to the buffaloes once they die?

They bury them.

 

[endymion248]

They bury them.

So they'd rather waste ressources on cultivating food and polluting the earth than eat perfectly good meat which they waste by burrying it? Environmentalists indeed.

 

[gani999]

Wondering if there are any potential cannibals out there on PP?

Or if its offlimits to all of ya?

I personally wont be averse to the idea of farming humans for consumption- dont care if they are brought up ethically or not- just not be pumped with steroids or antibiotics and be fed on a sumptous diet- something like the wayugu beef...


Hopefully one day we will have human meat consumption accepted as well and be rearing humans for meat! smackilicious....

It is said that human meat is actually the tastiest.

There was an incident in Safdarjung Medical College, Delhi, in the 1970s. A particular dhaba situated outside the hospital campus used to serve excellent kheema. People from all over the city would flock there for it. Then the truth behind it emerged. Apparently the dhaba owner had bribed the attendants in the gynecology ward of the hospital to bring him human placentas that were removed and discarded upon childbirth. The dhaba owner would make his kheemas with the placentas. The superlative taste of the kheema was attributed to the human meat and to the fact that the placenta is very richly supplied with blood.

Given the number of deliveries everyday, there was plenty of placenta to go around. Then one of the ward nurses supplying the placentas spilled the beans and the operation was shut down

 

[Bhaijaan]

So they'd rather waste ressources on cultivating food and polluting the earth than eat perfectly good meat which they waste by burrying it? Environmentalists indeed.

Burrying a dead body beneath the ground is polluting the Earth?

 

[endymion248]

Burrying a dead body beneath the ground is polluting the Earth?

Not really, cultivating food when you are wasting other food is polluting the earth.

 

[street cricketer]

It is said that human meat is actually the tastiest.

There was an incident in Safdarjung Medical College, Delhi, in the 1970s. A particular dhaba situated outside the hospital campus used to serve excellent kheema. People from all over the city would flock there for it. Then the truth behind it emerged. Apparently the dhaba owner had bribed the attendants in the gynecology ward of the hospital to bring him human placentas that were removed and discarded upon childbirth. The dhaba owner would make his kheemas with the placentas. The superlative taste of the kheema was attributed to the human meat and to the fact that the placenta is very richly supplied with blood.

Given the number of deliveries everyday, there was plenty of placenta to go around. Then one of the ward nurses supplying the placentas spilled the beans and the operation was shut down

Oh God! I've heard that many cheap dhabas adulterate using dog meat. But this is next level of culinary innovation

 

[nish_mate]

It is said that human meat is actually the tastiest.

There was an incident in Safdarjung Medical College, Delhi, in the 1970s. A particular dhaba situated outside the hospital campus used to serve excellent kheema. People from all over the city would flock there for it. Then the truth behind it emerged. Apparently the dhaba owner had bribed the attendants in the gynecology ward of the hospital to bring him human placentas that were removed and discarded upon childbirth. The dhaba owner would make his kheemas with the placentas. The superlative taste of the kheema was attributed to the human meat and to the fact that the placenta is very richly supplied with blood.

Given the number of deliveries everyday, there was plenty of placenta to go around. Then one of the ward nurses supplying the placentas spilled the beans and the operation was shut down

Pity was a bit before my time, but I would not like to break any laws or do any under thing underground if I was to taste human meat (which I do think of from time to time especially when having a steak or a swiss shop)- tjhat is why my cravings will not come to fruititon.

 

[Vorador]

What do fellow meat-eaters think of dog-eating festivals in China and elsewhere? I'm curious.

 

[street cricketer]

What do fellow meat-eaters think of dog-eating festivals in China and elsewhere? I'm curious.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Hello Dosto!

I sincerely hope you gave yourselves an honest moment of introspection.

Animals are good people and want to live a happy life with their families just as much as you do. They look much better playing than as carcass on our plates. Don't harm them. Support them. Support life.

Love and peace,

Regards

 

[Abdul]

For the gains. And because it's lovely.

 

[Abdul]

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Hello Dosto!

I sincerely hope you gave yourselves an honest moment of introspection.

Animals are good people and want to live a happy life with their families just as much as you do. They look much better playing than as carcass on our plates. Don't harm them. Support them. Support life.

Love and peace,

Regards

While I never will give up meat entirely I have began to think about the arguments for vegetarianism more and have decided to actually eat more vegetarian meals and therefore less meat, without cutting it out entirely.

Dont have an issue with eating meat once, as it is here, the animal has had a good quality of life outdoors and is humanely killed, not like in parts of the US where animals spend their lives in factory boxes.

 

[Pakistanian]

Will Indians stop lying. Please and thank you.

 

[JaDed]

While I never will give up meat entirely I have began to think about the arguments for vegetarianism more and have decided to actually eat more vegetarian meals and therefore less meat, without cutting it out entirely.

Dont have an issue with eating meat once, as it is here, the animal has had a good quality of life outdoors and is humanely killed, not like in parts of the US where animals spend their lives in factory boxes.

Hope you are ok with that aspect when Chefs serves' horse,dogs,cats,monkeys,chimps,elephants as well?