"Qurbani", do we still have to do it?

[chacha kashmiri]

Isnt the Islamic way and the Jewish way pretty much the same thing, other than recitations from different books? If so as per Cpt Rishwat's logic- Islamic way is just a rip off and a copy from the Jews?

Islamic punishment of blood money and amputations were practices from jahiliyah which Islam kept

In that sense you can say both are a rip off from Hinduism if you wish to be pedantic

 

[Stallion__]

Love the hypocrisy of worrying about a few seconds of pain while stealing an animal's entire life. This is the kind of think off putting about religioupeopleThey will act all pious while doing the most heinous things. Lo

This is the precise reason a person should avoid being judgmental when he is ignorant.

We you don't understand the purpose of sacrifice, you deem yourself educated enough to comment on the matter?

Muslims believe that soul of the animal remains in peace much more than it was here.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

whats wrong if we slaughter cows for our food, is this our problem if cow is the god of any abc???

 

[Stallion__]

Don't want to comment on the result since I do not know much about animal slaughter.

But when evaluating any paper, I always look at the following for bias before agreeing to the conclusion
1. Who funded the paper
2. Who researched the paper
3. What would be in the interest of 1 & 2

This would then provide me enough information on the possibilities of bias.

The research was carried out by Prof. Wilhelm Schulze from School of Veterinary Medicine, Hannover University in Germany.

It was an independent research (in a sense that it was the idea of his own).

You can google it for further details.

 

[nish_mate]

whats wrong if we slaughter cows for our food, is this our problem if cow is the god of any abc???

whats wrong if we cartoon Prophets for our satire, is this our problem if Prophet is revered by xyzp??

 

[nish_mate]

Islamic punishment of blood money and amputations were practices from jahiliyah which Islam kept

In that sense you can say both are a rip off from Hinduism if you wish to be pedantic

So we should attribute them to their sources nope, and not call islamic slaughter or justice?

 

[junaid.ahmed]

whats wrong if we cartoon Prophets for our satire, is this our problem if Prophet is revered by xyzp??

actully we should keep the difference b/w your's god & our Prophet by not making cartoons & pictures of them

secondly is this religious practice in your religion to cartoon our Prophet??? bcz slaughtering cow is our religious practice

 

[nish_mate]

actully we should keep the difference b/w your's god & our Prophet by not making cartoons & pictures of them

secondly is this religious practice in your religion to cartoon our Prophet??? bcz slaughtering cow is our religious practice

But why should we keep this difference, just because you feel so or your religious dogma says so?

Secondly my religious practice gives me a free licence to do it the same way it allows me to pray in a mosque if I would feel so- if wouldnt be a shirk nor would my maker be offended, if its offends a few meh humans who cares...

 

[Lurker_Ind]

All the slaughtered Animals directly go to heaven?

If so, they should be very happy to get slaughtered.

 

[Indiafan]

This is the precise reason a person should avoid being judgmental when he is ignorant.

We you don't understand the purpose of sacrifice, you deem yourself educated enough to comment on the matter?

Muslims believe that soul of the animal remains in peace much more than it was here.

Meh, you can justify any thing in the world if you need to or want to do it.

Again, I don't see how a few moments of pain matter to an animal if it's dead. Usually an animal will go through lot more pain in it's life including child-birth. A few seconds of jhatka or any other pain wouldn't matter. However an animal will definitely be desperate to live

 

[Indiafan]

whats wrong if we slaughter cows for our food, is this our problem if cow is the god of any abc???

Absolutely nothing wrong and most hindus won't even mind, especially those who themselves eat beef.

 

[justarslan]

 

[Square Drive]

All the slaughtered Animals directly go to heaven?

If so, they should be very happy to get slaughtered.

No animals in heaven.

 

[filthyfulltoss]

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Amazing.

On one hand you are okay sharing pictures of utter disrespect to an entire nation AND religion.

But when someone draws a silly little cartoon or writes a book you all lose your marbles.

Silly, petty children - that's what you people are.

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But I'm not an indian or a hindu so I can't really say I'm offended by the image, i'm just offended by the lack of human decency.

And as someone who isn't muslim, when someone draws the prophet I'm again offended by the lack of human decency, but primarily from people who react aggressively and with violence.

Other than that, I just get to sit back and enjoy petty children offend each other and cry and raze buildings to the ground.

 

[filthyfulltoss]

Btw, Arsalan, if you didn't share the picture to mock hinduism, just ignore my post. But I would find that really hard to believe.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

No animals in heaven.

Do Animals have their own heaven? Or Animals are barred from there?

 

[Lurker_Ind]

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Is that Indian flag there? How bizarre.

 

[uberkoen]

First of all, let me clear some misconceptions.

- Qurbani is Wajib. Hence, those who are able to do it MUST do it.

- For those (believers) questioning why we should slaughter an animal instead of just giving the money away to the poor. The answer is simple: This is the will of Allah. You may give as much money as you want to the poor however, Qurbani is still wajib on you. The act of Qurbani is a demonstration of total submission to Allah and a proof of complete obedience to Allah’s will or command. Yoy may find it illogical however, you do not know what He knows. What was the logic behind asking Hazrat Ibrahim to sacrifice his only son? We don't know nor should we question this as believers. Apparently, there was no reason why a father should slaughter his innocent son. But, when the command came from Allah, Hazrat Ibrahim never asked the reason to that command, nor did he hesitate to obey it. This is the true essence of Qurbani.

-Continuing from my previous point (again, for those who believe). The Qurbani is not meant as a 'charity' like Zakaat is. It has nothing to do with giving to the poor. In fact, if one wants he is allowed to keep all the meet for his own consumption or give it to anyone they want to (muslim or non-muslim)

 

[Yatoo]

First of all, let me clear some misconceptions.

- Qurbani is Wajib. Hence, those who are able to do it MUST do it.

- For those (believers) questioning why we should slaughter an animal instead of just giving the money away to the poor. The answer is simple: This is the will of Allah. You may give as much money as you want to the poor however, Qurbani is still wajib on you. The act of Qurbani is a demonstration of total submission to Allah and a proof of complete obedience to Allah’s will or command. Yoy may find it illogical however, you do not know what He knows. What was the logic behind asking Hazrat Ibrahim to sacrifice his only son? We don't know nor should we question this as believers. Apparently, there was no reason why a father should slaughter his innocent son. But, when the command came from Allah, Hazrat Ibrahim never asked the reason to that command, nor did he hesitate to obey it. This is the true essence of Qurbani.

-Continuing from my previous point (again, for those who believe). The Qurbani is not meant as a 'charity' like Zakaat is. It has nothing to do with giving to the poor. In fact, if one wants he is allowed to keep all the meet for his own consumption or give it to anyone they want to (muslim or non-muslim)

It's not Wajib.

 

[uberkoen]

It's not Wajib.

Al-Shaafa’i and Maalik consider it to be Sunnah mu’akkadah. Whereas, Abu Haneefah, Ahmad and Ibn Taymiyah consider it Wajib.

Either way, it should not be missed if one can afford it.

 

[Yatoo]

Al-Shaafa’i and Maalik consider it to be Sunnah mu’akkadah. Whereas, Abu Haneefah, Ahmad and Ibn Taymiyah consider it Wajib.

Either way, it should not be missed if one can afford it.

This is the better way to put forth your argument. When the nasoos are not clear, you should put inform people of the different in opinion and let the people judge which one they find closer to truth.

 

[uberkoen]

This is the better way to put forth your argument. When the nasoos are not clear, you should put inform people of the different in opinion and let the people judge which one they find closer to truth.

Correct. Point was that Zakat is farz, Qurbani is either Wajib or Sunnah Mu'akkadah and Sadqa is nafl. Thus, people should spend their money in that order and not skip a Sunnah Mu'akkadah or Wajib to do nafl.

 

[Yatoo]

Correct. Point was that Zakat is farz, Qurbani is either Wajib or Sunnah Mu'akkadah and Sadqa is nafl. Thus, people should spend their money in that order and not skip a Sunnah Mu'akkadah or Wajib to do nafl.

+1

 

[Square Drive]

Do Animals have their own heaven? Or Animals are barred from there?

They simply cease to exist after the world ends.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

They simply cease to exist after the world ends.

So Animals have no value in Islam then? They are made for humans to consume?

The Islamic God is only for humans? Allah does not care about other Animals?

 

[uberkoen]

So Animals have no value in Islam then? They are made for humans to consume?

The Islamic God is only for humans? Allah does not care about other Animals?

Islamic God is not only for humans but for all beings.

Stop trying to be a troll.

The Holy Prophet Muhammad(SAW) said: "All creatures are like a family (Ayal) of God: and he loves the most those who are the most beneficent to His family. (Narrated by Anas. Mishkat al-Masabih,3:1392; quoted from Bukhari.)

There is a book entitled "Animals in Islam" by Al-Hafiz B.A. Masri. If you are really interested in finding out what Allah has said about animals read up the book or read the excerpts in the following link. If your purpose was just to be a WUM, mission accomplished.

http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/an/an1.htm

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Islamic God is not only for humans but for all beings.

Stop trying to be a troll.

The Holy Prophet Muhammad(SAW) said: "All creatures are like a family (Ayal) of God: and he loves the most those who are the most beneficent to His family. (Narrated by Anas. Mishkat al-Masabih,3:1392; quoted from Bukhari.)

There is a book entitled "Animals in Islam" by Al-Hafiz B.A. Masri. If you are really interested in finding out what Allah has said about animals read up the book or read the excerpts in the following link. If your purpose was just to be a WUM, mission accomplished.

http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/an/an1.htm

If God loves all Animals, then why are they not allowed in Heaven? After all those animals sacrificed their lives for the appeasement of Allah.

 

[uberkoen]

If God loves all Animals, then why are they not allowed in Heaven? After all those animals sacrificed their lives for the appeasement of Allah.

It says in a hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “All scores will be settled on the Day of Resurrection; even the hornless sheep will settle its scores with the horned sheep.” (Narrated by Muslim, al-Birr wa’l-Silah wa’l-Adaab, 4679).

It says in another hadeeth: “Allaah will judge between His creation, jinn, humans and animals. On that Day the score will be settled between the hornless and the horned, until there are no outstanding issues left, then Allaah will say, ‘Be dust!’ At the point the kaafir will say, ‘Would that I were dust!’” Shaykh al-Albaani said: This is saheeh. No. 1966; see al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, part 4, p. 966

Allah says in the Quran “There is not a moving (living) creature on earth, nor a bird that flies with its two wings, but are communities like you. We have neglected nothing in the Book, then unto their Lord they (all) shall be gathered”
[al-An’aam 6:38]

Various narrations do mention certain specific animals that will enter heaven for the rest, Allah knows best.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

So everything is decided on Judgement day then. Until then

 

[uberkoen]

So everything is decided on Judgement day then. Until then

Until then everyone has time to ask for forgiveness and follow the correct path.

 

[Square Drive]

Until then everyone has time to ask for forgiveness and follow the correct path.

...Which is the beautiful religion of Islam.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Until then everyone has time to ask for forgiveness and follow the correct path.

Proof please.

 

[uberkoen]

Proof please.

You need proof to follow the correct path?

I always thought that any sane person given a choice between a correct path and an incorrect one would follow the correct one without asking for proof. I guess I was wrong.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

You need proof to follow the correct path?

I always thought that any sane person given a choice between a correct path and an incorrect one would follow the correct one without asking for proof. I guess I was wrong.

What is the proof that Islam is the correct path?

 

[uberkoen]

What is the proof that Islam is the correct path?

Where did I say Islam is the correct path?

I'm not here to convert you. I have the proof I need. You should look for your own proof to follow your own correct path (wherever it may lead you).

"Verily, proofs have come to you from your Lord, so whosoever sees, will do so for (the good of) his ownself, and whosoever blinds himself, will do so to his own harm, and I (Muhammad) am not a watcher over you." Quran 6:104

 

[miandadrules]

Meh, you can justify any thing in the world if you need to or want to do it.

Again, I don't see how a few moments of pain matter to an animal if it's dead. Usually an animal will go through lot more pain in it's life including child-birth. A few seconds of jhatka or any other pain wouldn't matter. However an animal will definitely be desperate to live[/QUOTE]

I hope you never work palliative care.

 

[Stallion__]

Meh, you can justify any thing in the world if you need to or want to do it.

Again, I don't see how a few moments of pain matter to an animal if it's dead. Usually an animal will go through lot more pain in it's life including child-birth. A few seconds of jhatka or any other pain wouldn't matter. However an animal will definitely be desperate to live

Wow, you even know the intentions and feelings of animals.

Let me get this straight.

Those few moments does matter. You are questioning the basic beliefs of a faith, neither you follow, nor you know about.

Its like arguing the concept of afterlife in Islam. Whats the proof do Muslims have regarding that? Nothing, except Quran and Sunnah, which are good enough reasons for Muslims to believe, maybe not for non-Muslims.

Similarly, sacrificing the animal or taking its life (in your words) is worth it according to Muslim's faith, but it may sound absurd to you. The same way Muslims found many absurd concepts in Hinduism and other religions.


For animal welfare organizations, its has always been about the process of sacrificing rather than the intention of sacrificing, because they do understand the the religion Muslims's follow do make them sacrifice the animals.
Over the years, the question, Western world has been raising regarding animal sacrifice in Islam, is that, if Muslims are going to sacrifice them, why don't they adopt lesser painful methods?


The other day, I was going through about Yulin Dog eating festival in China, and was disgusted, the way they used to treat dogs, the way they burn and boil them alive. So I though of making a thread regarding that on PP to create awareness, but then I didn't. Because I thought that the thread would take this predictable route (You guys can google it to see the images, too touchy to share here).

People like you would have been taunting me for hypocrisy, that I am ok with Muslim's method of slaughter, but I have issues with other's ways.

Then I start digging in deep about our own practices. Whats the scientific explanation of slaughtering the animal, the way Muslim's do? And then I found out that the recent researches shows that it is the least painful way of doing that.

Of course, I still don't expect you to understand anything but that the realization, that Muslim's way of doing it is least agonizing important for many other fellows out there.

 

[Stallion__]

I don't see how a few moments of pain matter to an animal if it's dead. Usually an animal will go through lot more pain in it's life including child-birth. A few seconds of jhatka or any other pain wouldn't matter. However an animal will definitely be desperate to live

Sometimes, we became too much centered in our lives, that we stop looking for the need of guidance, and the necessity of finding the answers of our beliefs.

Have been watching and following this method of slaughtering for years, but last year Denmark's ban on slaughtering and that Yulin Dog eating festival triggered me to find out why Islam has defined this particular way of getting an animal slaughtered.


And just like many other applications of Islam have been proved by science in recent times, this one also is validated by research.

Funny that you love calling others hypocrites, when have never tried to understand their confidence in their faiths and the reasons for that trust.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

But why should we keep this difference, just because you feel so or your religious dogma says so?

Secondly my religious practice gives me a free licence to do it the same way it allows me to pray in a mosque if I would feel so- if wouldnt be a shirk nor would my maker be offended, if its offends a few meh humans who cares...

what a rubbish nonsense your are talking, In Islam we cant cartoon our Prophet its strictly prohibited but slaughtering cow is our religious practice so thats why we are doing this now talk about hinduism, is this your religious practice to cartoon muslim's Prophets??? if so then try....

 

[Indiafan]

Sometimes, we became too much centered in our lives, that we stop looking for the need of guidance, and the necessity of finding the answers of our beliefs.

Have been watching and following this method of slaughtering for years, but last year Denmark's ban on slaughtering and that Yulin Dog eating festival triggered me to find out why Islam has defined this particular way of getting an animal slaughtered.


And just like many other applications of Islam have been proved by science in recent times, this one also is validated by research.

Funny that you love calling others hypocrites, when have never tried to understand their confidence in their faiths and the reasons for that trust.

Here's the thing I laugh at

Human beings are born with lots of biases. Every human has it. Two of the main ones are

One is called confirmation bias. Which is, if you hold a deep belief and I showed you 10 articles supporting that belief and 10 articles denying that belief, you will only read and absorb the 10 supporting your belief. You will ignore or skim through the ones denying it. It happens with me and it happens with you. We all look for validation of our beliefs. However what has been ingrained in us right from our childhood will always be the right one for us. So please spare me the "has been proven right" thing. Everything can be proven right in some vague way given enough time. For example people can make 100s of excuses why pork should be avoided while beef shouldn't though you have 100s of studies on why beef is bad or pork is good and millions eat pork without any problems

Every human being in history, even the crazy ones will swear on his deathbed that the belief which has been taught to him right from childhood is the correct one and always proven.

The second big bias we all have is called the backfire effect. This effect actually causes people to behave irrationally when presented with negative evidence to their beliefs. So if I showed a flat-earther concrete proof that earth is not flat, instead of changing his mind, it will only make the belief stronger. Again because of this, a human being will only absorve the knowledge he wants to absorb and ignore the ones he doesn't

Why am I speaking about biases here? Because a human being is not a rational person and most things he does is just to convince himself and not others. And he will have his own biases existing. So to an outsider like me, it seems ridiculous that while stealing away the life of an animal, you are concerned about a few seconds of pain. It is like if I kidnap a baby and then tell it's mother that it is ok because I didn't cause it pain when it died. Would the mother be concerned about the few seconds of pain or the baby's life?

 

[Indiafan]

Wow, you even know the intentions and feelings of animals.
.

Well the instinct to live and not die is ingrained even in the smallest of worm and insect

 

[Stallion__]

Here's the thing I laugh at

Human beings are born with lots of biases. Every human has it. Two of the main ones are

One is called confirmation bias. Which is, if you hold a deep belief and I showed you 10 articles supporting that belief and 10 articles denying that belief, you will only read and absorb the 10 supporting your belief. You will ignore or skim through the ones denying it. It happens with me and it happens with you. We all look for validation of our beliefs. However what has been ingrained in us right from our childhood will always be the right one for us. So please spare me the "has been proven right" thing. Everything can be proven right in some vague way given enough time. For example people can make 100s of excuses why pork should be avoided while beef shouldn't though you have 100s of studies on why beef is bad or pork is good and millions eat pork without any problems

Every human being in history, even the crazy ones will swear on his deathbed that the belief which has been taught to him right from childhood is the correct one and always proven.

The second big bias we all have is called the backfire effect. This effect actually causes people to behave irrationally when presented with negative evidence to their beliefs. So if I showed a flat-earther concrete proof that earth is not flat, instead of changing his mind, it will only make the belief stronger. Again because of this, a human being will only absorve the knowledge he wants to absorb and ignore the ones he doesn't

Why am I speaking about biases here? Because a human being is not a rational person and most things he does is just to convince himself and not others. And he will have his own biases existing. So to an outsider like me, it seems ridiculous that while stealing away the life of an animal, you are concerned about a few seconds of pain. It is like if I kidnap a baby and then tell it's mother that it is ok because I didn't cause it pain when it died. Would the mother be concerned about the few seconds of pain or the baby's life?

Both biases do exist.

But in this case first one holds good, not the second one.

Yes, its true, we think the way we are brought up with. For instance, if a guy is born and brought up with a certain beliefs, and is provided with two sets of facts, half of them supporting his beliefs while half of them denying them, both support and deny his views to an equal effect, he will go for the ones which support him.

For him to change his faith, one must present him with extremely solid facts denying his beliefs to negate the effect of his bias.

Now in my case, since I am a born Muslim, the norms that I have been watching all my life must have created these biases. But that doesn't mean that I have stopped thinking or questioning my own beliefs. And I have got the answers to them whenever I have searched for them even on trying to access them as a neutral (whether I have been successful to think like a neutral or not is a different story)

Yes, my inclination towards my concepts should have helped, but if I find really strong logics which deny my beliefs I would give them a serious thought. Thats why I said second point of yours don't stands here. I am not one of those who feel uneasy when someone contradicts my beliefs. If I am willing to question them myself, others are more than welcome to give me a different point of view.


Now in this case, since according to my views, I am convinced with the fact that sacrificing an animal or taking his life is worth it, the next question is the process of sacrificing, thats what I was discussing. Ofcourse, where the soul of animal goes, can't be scientifically proved, so I have to take the word of the one, whom I trust the most i-e Quran/Sunnat.

Now moving further, the only question remains for me is that the process of doing that, is that right way to do it?

And I was just trying to find the answer of that question.


For someone like you completely unfamiliar with those views, it may sound bizarre that how can I be ok with killing of an animal??

Think it that way. If someone, who has never lied to you or someone whom you trust the most, if that person or a book says that yes, the life of that animal isn't wasted on sacrificing it, would you believe it?

In my case, I do, in your case, I don't know.

Same way, I am an outsider to Hinduism. I found most of the concepts of Hinduism odd. But atleast, I do understand that Hinduism, no matter how odd it is for me is a way of life to many people. So I got to respect their feelings, even if I don't believe on that. Thats how the world moves forward.

What you did wrong was that you didn't realize that according to my set of beliefs, I am comfortable in taking the life of animal, since the cause for doing that is much more greater.

So you termed it as 'hypocrisy', when it isn't meant to be.


Now if I was an atheist, I don't believe in any afterlife or any such thing. For me, killing someone is just a waste of life.
In this case, if I am killing an animal and I show my concern for those few seconds of killing, then yes, you can could have called me hypocrite.

The current scenario is the matter of contrasting beliefs, where I believe in a certain thing while you don't. But then again there would be many such things that you would believe while I wouldn't.

So if everyone start calling each others hypocrite due to clash of ideologies, without respecting each other beliefs, then you can imagine where this intolerance would lead us to.

 

[uberkoen]

Here's the thing I laugh at

Human beings are born with lots of biases. Every human has it. Two of the main ones are

One is called confirmation bias. Which is, if you hold a deep belief and I showed you 10 articles supporting that belief and 10 articles denying that belief, you will only read and absorb the 10 supporting your belief. You will ignore or skim through the ones denying it. It happens with me and it happens with you. We all look for validation of our beliefs. However what has been ingrained in us right from our childhood will always be the right one for us. So please spare me the "has been proven right" thing. Everything can be proven right in some vague way given enough time. For example people can make 100s of excuses why pork should be avoided while beef shouldn't though you have 100s of studies on why beef is bad or pork is good and millions eat pork without any problems

Every human being in history, even the crazy ones will swear on his deathbed that the belief which has been taught to him right from childhood is the correct one and always proven.

The second big bias we all have is called the backfire effect. This effect actually causes people to behave irrationally when presented with negative evidence to their beliefs. So if I showed a flat-earther concrete proof that earth is not flat, instead of changing his mind, it will only make the belief stronger. Again because of this, a human being will only absorve the knowledge he wants to absorb and ignore the ones he doesn't

Why am I speaking about biases here? Because a human being is not a rational person and most things he does is just to convince himself and not others. And he will have his own biases existing. So to an outsider like me, it seems ridiculous that while stealing away the life of an animal, you are concerned about a few seconds of pain. It is like if I kidnap a baby and then tell it's mother that it is ok because I didn't cause it pain when it died. Would the mother be concerned about the few seconds of pain or the baby's life?

This is a different discussion altogether which has nothing to do with this topic. Basically, your point is that the animal shouldn't be killed at all and that humans shouldn't consume animals. Whereas, the point [MENTION=138483]Stallion__[/MENTION] was making was that IF you are going to kill an animal to consume, you might as well do it in a humane way.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

I am okay with people eating animals or butchering them for that purpose. Humans have butchered pretty much every animal starting from Elephants to whales to Squirrals and Lizards in the last 500,000 years.

What I do not understand is the reason for butchering. If it is hunger, nothing wrong in it. If it is for appeasing God(s) then it is clearly wrong. God cannot be blood thirsty. You do not have to show your obedience by butchering an animal. If a person really wants to show his obedience, how about sacrificing himself and directly going to almighty? Why kill some innocent animal's baby or Mother/Father? Is it because the life of an animal is not worth the life of a person? You can show it in many humane ways.

In this day and age, butchering animals for God's sake is laughable. You can show it by doing social service, donating money to poor and needy. Kind of like what Mother Theresa did. If the butchering is done just to satisfy hunger, then it is perfectly alright. Nobody should question someone's diet.

 

[Yatoo]

I am okay with people eating animals or butchering them for that purpose. Humans have butchered pretty much every animal starting from Elephants to whales to Squirrals and Lizards in the last 500,000 years.

What I do not understand is the reason for butchering. If it is hunger, nothing wrong in it. If it is for appeasing God(s) then it is clearly wrong. God cannot be blood thirsty. You do not have to show your obedience by butchering an animal. If a person really wants to show his obedience, how about sacrificing himself and directly going to almighty? Why kill some innocent animal's baby or Mother/Father? Is it because the life of an animal is not worth the life of a person? You can show it in many humane ways.

In this day and age, butchering animals for God's sake is laughable. You can show it by doing social service, donating money to poor and needy. Kind of like what Mother Theresa did. If the butchering is done just to satisfy hunger, then it is perfectly alright. Nobody should question someone's diet.

It is neither their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah, but it is Taqwa from you that reaches Him. Thus have We made them subject to you that you may proclaim Allah’s greatness for His guidance to you. And give glad tidings to the doers of
good.)
http://salaf-us-saalih.com/2015/03/...ah-is-the-sincerity-and-taqwa-of-his-servant/

 

[nish_mate]

If folks eat meat, then dont make sense for them to cry wolf if it is to please God or their palate...vegetarians might have a case, but as a meat eater I would be hypocritical if I objected to any sacrifice in name of God, but cool with eating meat myself.

But then find funny that God wants only certain animals as sacrifice.

 

[Stallion__]

If folks eat meat, then dont make sense for them to cry wolf if it is to please God or their palate...vegetarians might have a case, but as a meat eater I would be hypocritical if I objected to any sacrifice in name of God, but cool with eating meat myself.

But then find funny that God wants only certain animals as sacrifice.

Some of your posts in this thread suggest that you have no intention to actually learn anything and are inclined to take a dig at practices in Islam. So this post of yours don't merit a reply but I will do it anyways.

-) Islam only allows herbivorous animals to be sacrifices, not carnivorous. For instance, animals like goat, sheep etc that feed themselves on plants, vegs are halal, while animals like lions, wolfs who eat other animals for their survivals are haram.

-) The sort of food a person consumes, do have effect on habits and nature of a person. Animals with aggressive nature i-e carnivores affect the behavior of people in a negative way. And this has been proved by researches. You can google it for further details.

-) Carnivores lie on top of the food chain, in each step of food chain, certain energy is consumed. Plants which get their energy directly from sun, and herbivorous animals, which get their energy from plants are more energy efficient as compared to carnivores. The usable energy in carnivores meat is only 5-20%, much less as compared to herbivores.


Now next time, shows some maturity and try to dig in to find answers to your queries before passing remarks like ''it would be hypocritical'.

 

[nish_mate]

Some of your posts in this thread suggest that you have no intention to actually learn anything and are inclined to take a dig at practices in Islam. So this post of yours don't merit a reply but I will do it anyways.

-) Islam only allows herbivorous animals to be sacrifices, not carnivorous. For instance, animals like goat, sheep etc that feed themselves on plants, vegs are halal, while animals like lions, wolfs who eat other animals for their survivals are haram.

-) The sort of food a person consumes, do have effect on habits and nature of a person. Animals with aggressive nature i-e carnivores affect the behavior of people in a negative way. And this has been proved by researches. You can google it for further details.

-) Carnivores lie on top of the food chain, in each step of food chain, certain energy is consumed. Plants which get their energy directly from sun, and herbivorous animals, which get their energy from plants are more energy efficient as compared to carnivores. The usable energy in carnivores meat is only 5-20%, much less as compared to herbivores.


Now next time, shows some maturity and try to dig in to find answers to your queries before passing remarks like ''it would be hypocritical'.

Thank you for posting but the troll replies were to troll the trollers. Rest I wrote in a serious note, unless you are defending the trolls here- thanks for passing judgement on my intentions.

Rest I am assuming that you were worked up whilst reading all the posts here, hence your comment on my maturity, which actually was stating that only folks who should have an issue with sacrifice are vegetarians, rest of us who are meat eaters would be hypocritical to condemn Qurbani, including myself.

On the digging bit thank you for your advise, but it would be more appreciated if it was uniformly applied when certain "Muslims" are having a dig at other religions.

Also wrt your reference to the wolf, I am presuming you didnt understand the context of the word "wolf", may I suggest you re read the sentence, no where was there a dig at Islam.

 

[Stallion__]

On the digging bit thank you for your advise, but it would be more appreciated if it was uniformly applied when certain "Muslims" are having a dig at other religions.

Also wrt your reference to the wolf, I am presuming you didnt understand the context of the word "wolf", may I suggest you re read the sentence, no where was there a dig at Islam.

Yes, that advice apply for everyone, even for those Muslims who want unnecessarily criticize other religions.

Anyways, my post should have answered your this query

But then find funny that God wants only certain animals as sacrifice.

As for the rest, yes I did took the words 'hypocritical' and 'wolf' in wrong context, my apologies for that.

 

[nish_mate]

Yes, that advice apply for everyone, even for those Muslims who want unnecessarily criticize other religions.

Anyways, my post should have answered your this query



As for the rest, yes I did took the words 'hypocritical' and 'wolf' in wrong context, my apologies for that.

Thank you for your reply and for clarifying why only certain animals are allowed for sacrifice explains a lot why only cows/sheep/goats & camels are the predominant animals and why in Kazakhstan also horses (know it bcoz of Kazakhi friends). A serious question- as deer are hoofed herbivores are they also allowed?

Is it true that only animals over the age of 3 are allowed for sacrifice, i read it somewhere animals have to be healthy, over 3 and with no wounds.

Wrt sacrifice, whilst I have no qualms with the act, only thing i find a bit appaling is amateurs doing a bad job rather than making it a quick incisve cut.

 

[Vegitto1]

[MENTION=74271]O[/MENTION]P.

The meat of Qurbani is divided into three equal portions. 1 is for family, 1 is for neighbours and 1 is the poor people.

Now this is a valuable lesson to teach to your kids and if you and your kids along with every single muslim who is financially blessed takes this principle and applies it on a day to day basis then Utopia may no longer be a dream.

 

[Stallion__]

Thank you for your reply and for clarifying why only certain animals are allowed for sacrifice explains a lot why only cows/sheep/goats & camels are the predominant animals and why in Kazakhstan also horses (know it bcoz of Kazakhi friends). A serious question- as deer are hoofed herbivores are they also allowed?

Is it true that only animals over the age of 3 are allowed for sacrifice, i read it somewhere animals have to be healthy, over 3 and with no wounds.

Wrt sacrifice, whilst I have no qualms with the act, only thing i find a bit appaling is amateurs doing a bad job rather than making it a quick incisve cut.

Regarding deer, yes it is allowed in most of the sects.

And as for the age of the animal, certain conditions are defined for animal to be qualified for sacrifice like it should be having both horns, teeth and certain age, different for different animal etc.

Most of the people do care that specialists should do the job, and even most of the amateurs, what I have seen want experts for 'zibah' process (that swift incision with sharp knife) and then do rest of the job themselves. But yeah, some of novices, do pretend as experts on Eid day for money-making, which is a wrong thing.

 

[Stallion__]

If folks eat meat, then dont make sense for them to cry wolf if it is to please God or their palate...vegetarians might have a case, but as a meat eater I would be hypocritical if I objected to any sacrifice in name of God, but cool with eating meat myself.

I misunderstood this post of yours and said that it don't merit a reply. [MENTION=23064]N[/MENTION]isha_mate

Sorry about that mate. Feeling bad for that.

 

[Laal]

If by qurbani you mean marriage. Then, yes.

 

[nish_mate]

I misunderstood this post of yours and said that it don't merit a reply. [MENTION=23064]N[/MENTION]isha_mate

Sorry about that mate. Feeling bad for that.

No worries mate, emotions can run high at times, all good

 

[fahadshah]

I know " Qurbani" is sunat-e-Ibrahimi and it was revealed long time ago and I know the whole history how it was started.

But looking at the poverty in our country, hundreds of thousands of people do not eat the food, millions of kids cannot afford to go to school, hundreds of thousands of girls not able to get married due to financial reasons ( some of them are forced for prostitution) .

My question here, instead of sacrificing the animal, why cant people donate the same amount of money to poor people for some better cause. I do not see people or Islam getting benefit from eating unlimited amount of meat for one month and on top of that, we are exposing our young kids to watch the brutal slaughtering of the animal.

If we would spend all the money which we spend on sacrificing the animal, to help the poor people ( in addition to pay Zakat), this could help lot of people and would be more beneficial than the original cause.

I know in the religion, everything is fixed but I personally think there are certain things need to be looked and revised by the Islamic scholars and this one thing need to be looked again.

Logic [emoji106] brutal slaughtering, eating meat for a whole month . Nailed it bro ! What logical points. Taliyan ap k liye [emoji112][emoji112][emoji112][emoji112][emoji112][emoji112]


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[uberkoen]

Logic [emoji106] brutal slaughtering, eating meat for a whole month . Nailed it bro ! What logical points. Taliyan ap k liye [emoji112][emoji112][emoji112][emoji112][emoji112][emoji112]


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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you're serious. If you're serious then unfortunately both you and [MENTION=23380]zaid65[/MENTION] are wrong (as per Islam). However, if you're not a believer then obviously you don't have to do Qurbani or anything and you can do as you like.

 

[fahadshah]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you're serious. If you're serious then unfortunately both you and [MENTION=23380]zaid65[/MENTION] are wrong (as per Islam). However, if you're not a believer then obviously you don't have to do Qurbani or anything and you can do as you like.

Sarcasm mate. I was shocked to see this post '


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[uberkoen]

[MENTION=74271]O[/MENTION]P.

The meat of Qurbani is divided into three equal portions. 1 is for family, 1 is for neighbours and 1 is the poor people.

Now this is a valuable lesson to teach to your kids and if you and your kids along with every single muslim who is financially blessed takes this principle and applies it on a day to day basis then Utopia may no longer be a dream.

Not necessarily. You may consume all of it yourself if you so desire.

 

[CricketTragic]

Qurbani or sacrifice means nothing if you don't care whether the animal lives or dies. Only when you are emotionally attached to the animal, and overcome that to sacrifice it for the Creator can it be called a qurbani. Otherwise it is a mere ritual followed with no spiritual experience attached to it.

 

[CricketTragic]

There is nothing wrong in killing an animal for food. You celebrate the life force that the meat of the animal provides, and this is nature's way of life. An animal which dies to feed a family has fulfilled its purpose, just like we humans must fulfil our purpose. Respect and learn from that animal whose meat is your food. Food for survival is good, but lust to consume is bad. That is why gluttony is a sin.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Qurbani is when you are emotionally invested in the animal you sacrifice, by taking care of it like your own kid, so that when the time comes to slaughter it you feel the pain and bereavement. Killing an animal you bought from the market a day before, while already salivating at the nihari and paya it would make is pseudo qurbani and has no spiritual meaning.

 

[Kashur_Kalkharab]

This is a good question and you should consider any qualified Alim for this matter.

Since you know the response is gonna be pretty obvious and rightfully so, you don't need to do that either.

But discussing it here isn't gonna help either. Now if you are one of them who have mulla-phobia, and if you attempting to make it look like mullah mentality vs the liberals, then it's a sort of topic that might to some extend get you the job done. Good luck.

 

[Kashur_Kalkharab]

Qurbani is when you are emotionally invested in the animal you sacrifice, by taking care of it like your own kid, so that when the time comes to slaughter it you feel the pain and bereavement. Killing an animal you bought from the market a day before, while already salivating at the nihari and paya it would make is pseudo qurbani and has no spiritual meaning.

This is actually that requires some discussion, but I think islamically people are happy to just get the obligation done rather care about that spirituality thing. A man who hardly prays is hardly gonna care about such stuff.

 

[PetroDollars]

Its rather a pagan concept from preislamic times, followed by the pagans of mecca, quran clearly tells people to avoid this pagan concept, which was twisted by Umayads and Abbsaids rulers to bring there paganism ways into islam.

CORRECT TRANSLATION OF THE VERSE 2:196 OF THE QURAN

 

[Abdullah719]

Its rather a pagan concept from preislamic times, followed by the pagans of mecca, quran clearly tells people to avoid this pagan concept, which was twisted by Umayads and Abbsaids rulers to bring there paganism ways into islam.

CORRECT TRANSLATION OF THE VERSE 2:196 OF THE QURAN

What is the source of the image and the back story?

What about 22:34? And the many Hadith on the topic?

Who decides what is the "correct translation?"

 

[Abdullah719]

A lot of people are turning to online Qurbani options this year, at least in Pakistan, which is good. Hopefully they also avoid the over the top celebrations this time around and the COVID spread is kept under control.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Qurbani is when you are emotionally invested in the animal you sacrifice, by taking care of it like your own kid, so that when the time comes to slaughter it you feel the pain and bereavement. Killing an animal you bought from the market a day before, while already salivating at the nihari and paya it would make is pseudo qurbani and has no spiritual meaning.

Some people do that. And i agree that would be the best way.

Others just donate money to a NGO for qurbani, so this way all the meat goes to the poor. So no nihari and paya.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Others just donate money to a NGO for qurbani, so this way all the meat goes to the poor. So no nihari and paya.

That is charity, not qurbani.

 

[Abdullah719]

That is charity, not qurbani.

Only a small percentage of the population has the means to buy an animal, AND the space to keep it at home for an extended period while feeding it, after which they can develop an emotional connection with it.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Only a small percentage of the population has the means to buy an animal, AND the space to keep it at home for an extended period while feeding it, after which they can develop an emotional connection with it.

Spiritual has become ritual due to lack of space.

 

[in_cutter]

Its rather a pagan concept from preislamic times, followed by the pagans of mecca, quran clearly tells people to avoid this pagan concept, which was twisted by Umayads and Abbsaids rulers to bring there paganism ways into islam.

CORRECT TRANSLATION OF THE VERSE 2:196 OF THE QURAN

First time reading this translation - what is your source?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

That is charity, not qurbani.

Yes. But its better than what some well off people do, by taking 1/3 of meat for themselves, giving 1/3 of the meat to their well off friends/family, and giving 1/3(usually the worst parts) to the poor, to comply with religious teachings.

At least this way everything goes to the poor.

 

[sweep_shot]

I gave it with Islamic Relief Canada this time. I gave it in Africa because it is cheaper there. Also, Africans are probably the poorest in the world.

 

[sweep_shot]

Qurbani is when you are emotionally invested in the animal you sacrifice, by taking care of it like your own kid, so that when the time comes to slaughter it you feel the pain and bereavement. Killing an animal you bought from the market a day before, while already salivating at the nihari and paya it would make is pseudo qurbani and has no spiritual meaning.

There is no religious instruction about having emotional attachment in Islam. We were asked to sacrifice and hence we do. Also, all these sacrifices result in poor people getting meats.

 

[CricketCartoons]

There is no religious instruction about having emotional attachment in Islam. We were asked to sacrifice and hence we do. Also, all these sacrifices result in poor people getting meats.

Without emotional attachment, all you are doing is charity (which is good, but only one aspect of qurbani) for poor and buying some meat for your dinner. You are not showing complete devotion and submission to the Almighty, which is what Prophet Ibrahim did when he was going to sacrifice his son. Missing an important aspect.

 

[sweep_shot]

Without emotional attachment, all you are doing is charity (which is good, but only one aspect of qurbani) for poor and buying some meat for your dinner. You are not showing complete devotion and submission to the Almighty, which is what Prophet Ibrahim did when he was going to sacrifice his son. Missing an important aspect.

I thought you were a Hindu.

I haven't read anything about emotional attachment. Please show verse/evidence.

I hope you are not trolling.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I thought you were a Hindu.

I haven't read anything about emotional attachment. Please show verse/evidence.

I hope you are not trolling.

Of course, I am not a muslim (although considered converting once). No disrespect here. I am writing what I believe.

What do you think is the purpose of Qurbani, given that it started with Prophet Ibrahim?

 

[sweep_shot]

Of course, I am not a muslim (although considered converting once). No disrespect here. I am writing what I believe.

What do you think is the purpose of Qurbani, given that it started with Prophet Ibrahim?

Here is a verse:

‘Their meat will not reach Allah, nor will their blood, but what reaches Him is piety from you. Thus have We subjected them to you that you may glorify Allah for that [to] which He has guided you; and give good tidings to the doers of good’. (Qur’an - 22:37)

It is about piety. It is about fulfilling a religious instruction.