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Rain-hit second Test match between England and Pakistan ends in a draw

Fans are too impatient.

Leg-spinners need rhythm and a captain who cares in order to bowl well.
 
That was funny from Azhar!

Nice to see happy faces during this difficult time. :)
 
Warne used the slider to great effect later in his career.

Can anyone explain it’s secrets or why it was so effective?

One of the main problems for leggi is that he takes the ball away from right handlers and into lefti. So, for lbw, it’s really difficult for them to get any call in favour unless batsmen are dead on back foot. Conventional leg spin will pitch outside leg if it’s to hit sticks, that takes LBW out; while for left handed batsmen, often if it’s to hit sticks, pad-contact will happen outside the line - unless batsmen are not offering shot, won’t get LBW.

Now, googlie can be effective for right handlers to attack the sticks, but again unless they are on back foot, either point of contact will be outside off line or it’ll slide down the leg. For lefti, a googlie has to pitch outside leg to touch the sticks or edge, otherwise batsmen will just keep leaving.

To counter this problem, I believe first it was Tiger O’raily who started to use flippers, basically a top spinner that pitches on line and straightens, mean if it hits the pad, contact will be within line. Later Benaud mastered the art of flipper.

Still, still a top spin player can play out flippers on front foot and not playing for spin - Salim Malik was a master of that from PAK while all four Indians of 90s could read the flipper in flight, gave Warne a tough time. Also, to be effective, you have to bowl flippers/top spinners a bit faster which gave batsmen a clue and Indians used to pull Warne of his flippers, if it was remotely short.

Finally, comes the most lethal weapon by which Warni almost killed a full generation of England, PAK & SAF batsmen - the slider. It’s basically a flipper that pitches within line and straightens enough to strike pad within line. Difference is, slider is a proper spinners ball, bowled at a much slower pace, with high flight taking the ball above eye line and it drops on proper length, giving batsmen very little time in cut, even if he could identify the ball. On top of that, Warne could drift the ball on air from outside off, often catching batsmen cramped around front pad (stressing front leg too much), to pitch on middle rather than outside off (or leg for lefti), and it will straighten dead straight - basically if you are stuck on pad, only height can save you unless somehow you get an inside edge.

Of all the variations of leg spin, google looks most lethal because it turns lot and brings many other moods of dismissals; but the most difficult ball to negotiate is a perfectly flighted slider, bowling into wind so that it drops properly and drifts in air.
 
What’d he do?

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There are a few batsmen who might have nicked off there :hafeez2
 
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There are a few batsmen who might have nicked off there :hafeez2

Absolutely unplayable- you have to be very good & inform to touch that. Azhar is too slow, but someone bowling at decent pace, with that sort of shape can run though a side in UK some days.
 
Naseem is overrated. Muhammad Amir of 2010 was once in a generation bowler like Wasim Akram

Naseem might be useful in white ball cricket

I think he has potential. But needs to play few seasons of domestic cricket to hone his skills and learn art of taking wickets.
 
One of the main problems for leggi is that he takes the ball away from right handlers and into lefti. So, for lbw, it’s really difficult for them to get any call in favour unless batsmen are dead on back foot. Conventional leg spin will pitch outside leg if it’s to hit sticks, that takes LBW out; while for left handed batsmen, often if it’s to hit sticks, pad-contact will happen outside the line - unless batsmen are not offering shot, won’t get LBW.

Now, googlie can be effective for right handlers to attack the sticks, but again unless they are on back foot, either point of contact will be outside off line or it’ll slide down the leg. For lefti, a googlie has to pitch outside leg to touch the sticks or edge, otherwise batsmen will just keep leaving.

To counter this problem, I believe first it was Tiger O’raily who started to use flippers, basically a top spinner that pitches on line and straightens, mean if it hits the pad, contact will be within line. Later Benaud mastered the art of flipper.

Still, still a top spin player can play out flippers on front foot and not playing for spin - Salim Malik was a master of that from PAK while all four Indians of 90s could read the flipper in flight, gave Warne a tough time. Also, to be effective, you have to bowl flippers/top spinners a bit faster which gave batsmen a clue and Indians used to pull Warne of his flippers, if it was remotely short.

Finally, comes the most lethal weapon by which Warni almost killed a full generation of England, PAK & SAF batsmen - the slider. It’s basically a flipper that pitches within line and straightens enough to strike pad within line. Difference is, slider is a proper spinners ball, bowled at a much slower pace, with high flight taking the ball above eye line and it drops on proper length, giving batsmen very little time in cut, even if he could identify the ball. On top of that, Warne could drift the ball on air from outside off, often catching batsmen cramped around front pad (stressing front leg too much), to pitch on middle rather than outside off (or leg for lefti), and it will straighten dead straight - basically if you are stuck on pad, only height can save you unless somehow you get an inside edge.

Of all the variations of leg spin, google looks most lethal because it turns lot and brings many other moods of dismissals; but the most difficult ball to negotiate is a perfectly flighted slider, bowling into wind so that it drops properly and drifts in air.

Very informative post!
 
Yasir's last few overs were pretty good, everything he was trying was coming out perfectly, couple of very good googlies as well, which is very rare for him. But looked in complete control of what he was doing, he also seems to have a lot of control on his flippers, if i am correct he got Pope out on a flipper. He's had below average couple of years but now he's looking better and lethal, getting back to his mojo.
 
Typical conditions in England, the sun was out today and it was much easier to bat, Crawley looked class, on day 3 the 5 overs both selby and Crawley faced the ball was talking in seaming conditions , this is what you get in England if it's overcast it can potentially lose you a test, yet if the sun comes out it becomes much easier to bat.
 
One of the main problems for leggi is that he takes the ball away from right handlers and into lefti. So, for lbw, it’s really difficult for them to get any call in favour unless batsmen are dead on back foot. Conventional leg spin will pitch outside leg if it’s to hit sticks, that takes LBW out; while for left handed batsmen, often if it’s to hit sticks, pad-contact will happen outside the line - unless batsmen are not offering shot, won’t get LBW.

Now, googlie can be effective for right handlers to attack the sticks, but again unless they are on back foot, either point of contact will be outside off line or it’ll slide down the leg. For lefti, a googlie has to pitch outside leg to touch the sticks or edge, otherwise batsmen will just keep leaving.

To counter this problem, I believe first it was Tiger O’raily who started to use flippers, basically a top spinner that pitches on line and straightens, mean if it hits the pad, contact will be within line. Later Benaud mastered the art of flipper.

Still, still a top spin player can play out flippers on front foot and not playing for spin - Salim Malik was a master of that from PAK while all four Indians of 90s could read the flipper in flight, gave Warne a tough time. Also, to be effective, you have to bowl flippers/top spinners a bit faster which gave batsmen a clue and Indians used to pull Warne of his flippers, if it was remotely short.

Finally, comes the most lethal weapon by which Warni almost killed a full generation of England, PAK & SAF batsmen - the slider. It’s basically a flipper that pitches within line and straightens enough to strike pad within line. Difference is, slider is a proper spinners ball, bowled at a much slower pace, with high flight taking the ball above eye line and it drops on proper length, giving batsmen very little time in cut, even if he could identify the ball. On top of that, Warne could drift the ball on air from outside off, often catching batsmen cramped around front pad (stressing front leg too much), to pitch on middle rather than outside off (or leg for lefti), and it will straighten dead straight - basically if you are stuck on pad, only height can save you unless somehow you get an inside edge.

Of all the variations of leg spin, google looks most lethal because it turns lot and brings many other moods of dismissals; but the most difficult ball to negotiate is a perfectly flighted slider, bowling into wind so that it drops properly and drifts in air.
Thanks. Brilliant analysis.
 
The natural bowling intelligence which Amir had along with his skills was a rarity.

Current Pak test pacers will have to develop it. They can do so if they are willing to put in the hard yards, talk as much as they can with Waqar, Wasim and even with Amir on the field in LOIs and Abbas in tests. I personally would have captain on Mid off and one of the senior bowlers like Amir and Abbas on the mid on for them to guide them through.

Waqar and Wasim were lucky to have someone like Imran as captain who guided them along.

As good as Amir was even he was averaging 40 odd in 8 tests before the England tour of 2010.
Naseem is arguably even more raw then 2010 Amir but I seriously believe he has a higher celing them even young Amir. He is a yard quicker and has a natural outswing shape which is such a wicket taking option in tests but he is 2 years away from being ready for test cricket he has been fast tracked too quickly.
 
As good as Amir was even he was averaging 40 odd in 8 tests before the England tour of 2010.

True and many fans dont realize how many tests it took Amir to show his skills. Not to forget he was playing T20s and ODIs for Pakistan already before his Test debut which made the transition slightly easier for him.
 
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