Ramiz Raja proposes an annual Quadrangular T20I Series between India, Pakistan, England & Australia

[MenInG]

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Ramiz Raja has stated that holding the proposed annual Quadrangular series will help negate the growing threats from the domestic leagues.

Ramiz, who has already left for Dubai to attend the ICC board's meeting, will table the discussion regarding various things including the Quadrangular series.

"As a former cricketer, I want to contribute to the cricketing world. Indian and New Zealand boards are also headed by former cricketers and they realise well the importance of countries' cricket in wake of growing threats from the league cricket," he said.

"The concern shown by some cricketing nations against the idea is that such a series would undermine the ICC mega-events effectiveness. I don't think that criticism holds any worth, as all the franchise events and other cricketing events also go on side by side," he stressed.

"I think the Quadrangular Series would generate extra interest and spice in countries cricket that has been facing threats from League cricket. Hopefully, every member country on April 10 Board meeting would realize the importance of such a series. The earlier we decide on hosting such a series the better it would be for international cricket," he believes.

"Instead of bilateral one-day series, we have proposed holding the triangular series each year-thus generating extra interest for the cricketing fans around the world," he stated.

“Instead of bilateral One-Day series, we have proposed holding the triangular series each year-thus generating extra interest for the cricketing fans around the world. The PCB has also decided not to play two-match Test series as was decided by Najam Sethi when he was PCB chairman. The success of the three-match series against Australia is enough to prove that the right way forward is three-match series rather than two.”

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/n...negate-the-domestic-leagues-threat-ramiz-raja

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is getting a bit stupid now.
No bilateral T20Is
No bilateral ODIs

Why will boards stop bilateral series?

 

[hitthestump]

This is getting a bit stupid now.
No bilateral T20Is
No bilateral ODIs

Why will boards stop bilateral series?

Because bar a few exceptions absolutely nobody cares. When Australia left out all their top players against Pak and it was completely accepted it serves to show how far we've come down this road of apathy towards JAMLOI's.

Not admitting that interest in LOI bilaterals is diminshing turning a blind eye. The calendar is already full, it can clearly become more efficient. Do we really need 7 t20's against England later this year?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Because bar a few exceptions absolutely nobody cares. When Australia left out all their top players against Pak and it was completely accepted it serves to show how far we've come down this road of apathy towards JAMLOI's.

Not admitting that interest in LOI bilaterals is diminshing turning a blind eye. The calendar is already full, it can clearly become more efficient. Do we really need 7 t20's against England later this year?

I don't see any team keeping out their top players from a India series. So why should BCCI support this? If players don't give importance to pakistan series, its Pakistan's problem, why hoist it on others?

India usually plays a full side when touring the top teams.

Thing is PCB doesn't make a dime from India tours. So by trying to abolish bilateral LoIs they are trying to push India to play triangular and quadrilaterals, so that PCB can be part of this and make money. BCCI should never agree to any such arrangement.

PCB is free to organize any multilateral tournament it wants. But boards should be free to arrange their bilateral tours, as they please. ICC shouldn't interfere in that.

 

[Mobashir]

I don't see any team keeping out their top players from a India series. So why should BCCI support this? If players don't give importance to pakistan series, its Pakistan's problem, why hoist it on others?

India usually plays a full side when touring the top teams.

Thing is PCB doesn't make a dime from India tours. So by trying to abolish bilateral LoIs they are trying to push India to play triangular and quadrilaterals, so that PCB can be part of this and make money. BCCI should never agree to any such arrangement.

PCB is free to organize any multilateral tournament it wants. But boards should be free to arrange their bilateral tours, as they please. ICC shouldn't interfere in that.

Most of the time Australia play there reserve bowlers against India in bilateral.
Apart from the last tour, I can't remember Hazlewood/Starc bowling attack turning against India. That's so rare.

 

[MenInG]

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has reportedly taken a neutral standing regarding the multi-nation tournament that Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman, Ramiz Raja has on his agenda.

Ramiz has been pushing for a 4-nation tournament involving India, Pakistan, England, and Australia at the ICC. In the Chief Executives Committee (CEC) meeting of the International Cricket Council (ICC) that took place in Dubai on Friday, even the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) CEO, Tom Harrison, suggested a similar tournament.

Although it is different from what Ramiz has in mind, the Council will have to make a decision regarding the same. Harrison proposed that the members should be allowed to hold such tournaments in a cyclical fashion.

Currently, the ICC rule states that the boards cannot hold anything bigger than a tri-nation series. All tournaments involving multiple nations will only be hosted by the ICC – in other words, the Champions Trophy and the World Cups.

For the idea proposed by the ECB, Cricket West Indies (CWI) and PCB are on board. However, members of the Finance and Commercial Affairs Committee (F&CA) are against it as they believe the relevance of the World Cup takes a hit.

“The matter was discussed by the CEC and it was backed by quite a few boards, if not by the F&CA. The matter goes to board with two points of view,” a member of the Cricket Council, who was part of the CEC, told Cricbuzz.

https://cricketaddictor.com/cricket...ur-nation-proposal-by-pcb-in-the-icc-meeting/

 

[CricketingMinds]

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has reportedly taken a neutral standing regarding the multi-nation tournament that Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman, Ramiz Raja has on his agenda.

Ramiz has been pushing for a 4-nation tournament involving India, Pakistan, England, and Australia at the ICC. In the Chief Executives Committee (CEC) meeting of the International Cricket Council (ICC) that took place in Dubai on Friday, even the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) CEO, Tom Harrison, suggested a similar tournament.

Although it is different from what Ramiz has in mind, the Council will have to make a decision regarding the same. Harrison proposed that the members should be allowed to hold such tournaments in a cyclical fashion.

Currently, the ICC rule states that the boards cannot hold anything bigger than a tri-nation series. All tournaments involving multiple nations will only be hosted by the ICC – in other words, the Champions Trophy and the World Cups.

For the idea proposed by the ECB, Cricket West Indies (CWI) and PCB are on board. However, members of the Finance and Commercial Affairs Committee (F&CA) are against it as they believe the relevance of the World Cup takes a hit.

“The matter was discussed by the CEC and it was backed by quite a few boards, if not by the F&CA. The matter goes to board with two points of view,” a member of the Cricket Council, who was part of the CEC, told Cricbuzz.

https://cricketaddictor.com/cricket...ur-nation-proposal-by-pcb-in-the-icc-meeting/

Meaning Ind-Eng-Aus rotating in a cyclical fashion as hosts each year for more revenue for Big3? Not very clear about ECB's proposal

 

[Rana]

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has reportedly taken a neutral standing regarding the multi-nation tournament that Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman, Ramiz Raja has on his agenda.

Ramiz has been pushing for a 4-nation tournament involving India, Pakistan, England, and Australia at the ICC. In the Chief Executives Committee (CEC) meeting of the International Cricket Council (ICC) that took place in Dubai on Friday, even the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) CEO, Tom Harrison, suggested a similar tournament.

Although it is different from what Ramiz has in mind, the Council will have to make a decision regarding the same. Harrison proposed that the members should be allowed to hold such tournaments in a cyclical fashion.

Currently, the ICC rule states that the boards cannot hold anything bigger than a tri-nation series. All tournaments involving multiple nations will only be hosted by the ICC – in other words, the Champions Trophy and the World Cups.

For the idea proposed by the ECB, Cricket West Indies (CWI) and PCB are on board. However, members of the Finance and Commercial Affairs Committee (F&CA) are against it as they believe the relevance of the World Cup takes a hit.

“The matter was discussed by the CEC and it was backed by quite a few boards, if not by the F&CA. The matter goes to board with two points of view,” a member of the Cricket Council, who was part of the CEC, told Cricbuzz.

https://cricketaddictor.com/cricket...ur-nation-proposal-by-pcb-in-the-icc-meeting/

Kinda confirms what I thought

This was BCCI’s idea relayed to Ramiz

He wouldn’t be pushing for this if he knew BCCI would never be on board

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kinda confirms what I thought

This was BCCI’s idea relayed to Ramiz

He wouldn’t be pushing for this if he knew BCCI would never be on board

Will be surprised if Bcci agrees to this?

 

[Rana]

Will be surprised if Bcci agrees to this?

Not now. The vibes I am getting is they will agree to it

 

[Kianig89]

So ECB and WI agreed to 4 nations quite a possibility that we may have 2 4 nation tourneys in an year one being in Asia and the other being in Eng/Aus
Like a triseries in Ind with Ind Aus WI Eng the participants and the one in Aus with Aus NZ Eng Ind the participants with Pakistan avoided in both situations

 

[Shafi]

Will be surprised if Bcci agrees to this?

So India can dictate who will play with us? That's totally unfair. Just because BCCI has money that doesn't mean they have right to dictate other boards not to play with us. We are under ICC not BCCI.

 

[MenInG]

The ICC board on Sunday convinced its chairman Gregor Barclay to complete his term till end of October before the global body starts its nomination process to find a new chairman where the Indian cricket board could play a massive role. In another significant development, Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Ramiz Raja's proposal for a four-nation tournament has been unanimously rejected by the board, putting an end to speculations of multiple India versus Pakistan matches on neural venues.

The two-day board meeting which concluded in Dubai on Sunday was a win-win one for the Indian cricket board as Barclay's continuation till October gives it ample time to strategise whether it will field a candidate for the top post in the month of November.

"There has been no discussion on renomination of Barclay. But he will finish his current two year term as a chairman till end of October. So the process of nominating a new chairman only starts in November," an ICC Board member told PTI on conditions of anonymity.

Originally, there was a possibility that the renomination or nomination would have happened in the month of June but that changed after deliberations between the member boards.

The decision also helps the BCCI buy time as they are likely to have their AGM in September after which the composition of the national parent body will be clear.

The BCCI has already appealed, seeking a a few changes in the Lodha Constitution which many feel till date is practically non-implementable.

It will be interesting to see whether president Sourav Ganguly and secretary Jay Shah go for a cooling-off in September.

Shah's name is doing the rounds as the next chairman of ICC but there has been no confirmation from either the BCCI secretary himself or sources close to him about his apparent interest in throwing his hat in the ring.

Ramiz's proposal shot down by board

PCB chairman Ramiz Raja's ambitious proposal of conducting a four-nation tourney comprising India, Australia, England under the aegis of the ICC was unanimously rejected by the all-powerful board even though there was a projected revenue of USD 750 million for five years.

"In any case, ICC's Financial and Commercial Affairs Committee (F&CA) was against this proposal. As we know that the MPA (Members Participation Agreement) doesn't allow any member nation to host more than tri-nation, organizing four-nation every year would have in any case devalued ICC's own marquee events," a board member said.

Another sensitive issue which board members are talking in hushed tones is whether Raja will remain PCB chairman for long after Imran Khan was removed from Prime Minister's position.

PCB chairman is a political appointee as Pakistan PMs are always Patron-in-chief of the board. Hence Raja, an appointee of Imran Khan, might be forced to tender his resignation in current political climate. The BCCI was always clear in its stand that it won't play four-nations with its calender choc-a-bloc and a lot of bilateral commitments that need to be honoured. On top of that is player's workload and mental health.

There were reports that ECB's Tom Harrison was also independently interested in exploring ideas of a four-nation tourney but it's now evident that nothing of that sort happened at board meeting.

 

[hitthestump]

What's stopping the big 3 ditching a untalented, hard to tour nation like Pakistan and bringing in a more competitive NZ or an exciting team like WI?

Pakistan are trying to create their own big 4 but do they have the capability to hold their own on the field, financially and logistically?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So India can dictate who will play with us? That's totally unfair. Just because BCCI has money that doesn't mean they have right to dictate other boards not to play with us. We are under ICC not BCCI.

PCB wanted ICC to run the quad tournament and ditch bilateral T20Is. Why will BCCI agree to it?

PCB is free to organize its own tours and tournaments, it can't ask other boards to sacrifice their matches.

 

[Markhor]

Rather fitting end to Rameez's tenure as PCB Chairman with another pet project hitting the skids.

I've nothing against Rameez the person, but as an administrator he spent too much time on unviable vanity projects (drop-in pitches/Quadrangular T20) and giving public pats on the back than on the day-to-day job.

However, I hope Sethi or whoever his successor his doesn't cancel the plans to upgrade the pitches.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great discussion regarding 4 Nations series today at the ICC meet. As a concept it was welcomed and debated upon and seen as promoting the interest of the game. Fingers crossed &#55358;&#56606; More when I am back at the office tomorrow.</p>— Ramiz Raja (@iramizraja) <a href="https://twitter.com/iramizraja/status/1513164049143545859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[cricketjoshila]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great discussion regarding 4 Nations series today at the ICC meet. As a concept it was welcomed and debated upon and seen as promoting the interest of the game. Fingers crossed &#55358;&#56606; More when I am back at the office tomorrow.</p>— Ramiz Raja (@iramizraja) <a href="https://twitter.com/iramizraja/status/1513164049143545859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

All media says it was unanimously rejected.

 

[princeuk]

All media says it was unanimously rejected.

Ramiz wouldnt come out and say its been a postive discussion if it was unanimously rejected

 

[Shafi]

PCB wanted ICC to run the quad tournament and ditch bilateral T20Is. Why will BCCI agree to it?

PCB is free to organize its own tours and tournaments, it can't ask other boards to sacrifice their matches.

But It’s on ICC not BCCI to dictate on behalf of ICC. Other they should change the name of ICC to BCCI.

 

[Snowflake]

Rather fitting end to Rameez's tenure as PCB Chairman with another pet project hitting the skids.

I've nothing against Rameez the person, but as an administrator he spent too much time on unviable vanity projects (drop-in pitches/Quadrangular T20) and giving public pats on the back than on the day-to-day job.

However, I hope Sethi or whoever his successor his doesn't cancel the plans to upgrade the pitches.

Better unviable and vanity projects than frivolous lawsuits that would end up costing PCB millions of $.

Would Sethi be held accountable for it? That besharam has the audacity to retweet everything positive about his tenure as PCB chairman but never says a word about the failed lawsuit that he initiated and left the new admin to pay for it?

 

[Markhor]

Better unviable and vanity projects than frivolous lawsuits that would end up costing PCB millions of $.

Would Sethi be held accountable for it? That besharam has the audacity to retweet everything positive about his tenure as PCB chairman but never says a word about the failed lawsuit that he initiated and left the new admin to pay for it?

In an ideal world neither should be Chairman. Rameez and Sethi's main strength is bombastic self-promotion.

 

[MenInG]

The ICC board on Sunday convinced its chairman Gregor Barclay to complete his term till end of October before the global body starts its nomination process to find a new chairman where the Indian cricket board could play a massive role. In another significant development, Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Ramiz Raja's proposal for a four-nation tournament has been unanimously rejected by the board, putting an end to speculations of multiple India versus Pakistan matches on neural venues.

The two-day board meeting which concluded in Dubai on Sunday was a win-win one for the Indian cricket board as Barclay's continuation till October gives it ample time to strategise whether it will field a candidate for the top post in the month of November.

"There has been no discussion on renomination of Barclay. But he will finish his current two year term as a chairman till end of October. So the process of nominating a new chairman only starts in November," an ICC Board member told PTI on conditions of anonymity.

Originally, there was a possibility that the renomination or nomination would have happened in the month of June but that changed after deliberations between the member boards.

The decision also helps the BCCI buy time as they are likely to have their AGM in September after which the composition of the national parent body will be clear.

The BCCI has already appealed, seeking a a few changes in the Lodha Constitution which many feel till date is practically non-implementable.

It will be interesting to see whether president Sourav Ganguly and secretary Jay Shah go for a cooling-off in September.

Shah's name is doing the rounds as the next chairman of ICC but there has been no confirmation from either the BCCI secretary himself or sources close to him about his apparent interest in throwing his hat in the ring.

Ramiz's proposal shot down by board

PCB chairman Ramiz Raja's ambitious proposal of conducting a four-nation tourney comprising India, Australia, England under the aegis of the ICC was unanimously rejected by the all-powerful board even though there was a projected revenue of USD 750 million for five years.

"In any case, ICC's Financial and Commercial Affairs Committee (F&CA) was against this proposal. As we know that the MPA (Members Participation Agreement) doesn't allow any member nation to host more than tri-nation, organizing four-nation every year would have in any case devalued ICC's own marquee events," a board member said.

Another sensitive issue which board members are talking in hushed tones is whether Raja will remain PCB chairman for long after Imran Khan was removed from Prime Minister's position.

PCB chairman is a political appointee as Pakistan PMs are always Patron-in-chief of the board. Hence Raja, an appointee of Imran Khan, might be forced to tender his resignation in current political climate. The BCCI was always clear in its stand that it won't play four-nations with its calender choc-a-bloc and a lot of bilateral commitments that need to be honoured. On top of that is player's workload and mental health.

There were reports that ECB's Tom Harrison was also independently interested in exploring ideas of a four-nation tourney but it's now evident that nothing of that sort happened at board meeting.

From another report:

"There were a lot of deliberations on the issue at the Board meeting around it. There was also a formal acknowledgment to Ramiz that from a cricketing perspective it's a great idea but practically it doesn't work in view of the tight schedule and packed ICC events - The FTP is complete and the ICC is going to market with the present set of events."

"Those countries who were not included were not happy with the concept"

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ramiz wouldnt come out and say its been a postive discussion if it was unanimously rejected

He says many things and many of them dont come out to be true.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But It’s on ICC not BCCI to dictate on behalf of ICC. Other they should change the name of ICC to BCCI.

BCCI is a ICC member and has every right to raise objections.

 

[cricketjoshila]

From another report:

"There were a lot of deliberations on the issue at the Board meeting around it. There was also a formal acknowledgment to Ramiz that from a cricketing perspective it's a great idea but practically it doesn't work in view of the tight schedule and packed ICC events - The FTP is complete and the ICC is going to market with the present set of events."

"Those countries who were not included were not happy with the concept"

As was widely expected, Ramiz Raja's proposal for a quadrangular T20 event got no further than a presentation to the ICC board meeting, the board deciding such a tournament could not fit into the next rights cycle.

But Ramiz, whose own future at the board is now under a cloud, took some solace from the fact that it sparked discussion among Full Members over the weekend ICC meeting, at the chief executive level first and then at the board meeting itself on Sunday

From the same report.

 

[gazza619]

If the cricket boards make an excuse that they are worried about players mental health, busy schedule and fatigue, then I would call that absolute nonsense.

We have already seen that Australia, India, Pakistan & England can land their A teams in white ball and still make for an exciting competitive viewing.

For me the 4 nation tournament is a no brainer.

 

[gazza619]

The ICC board on Sunday convinced its chairman Gregor Barclay to complete his term till end of October before the global body starts its nomination process to find a new chairman where the Indian cricket board could play a massive role. In another significant development, Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Ramiz Raja's proposal for a four-nation tournament has been unanimously rejected by the board, putting an end to speculations of multiple India versus Pakistan matches on neural venues.

The two-day board meeting which concluded in Dubai on Sunday was a win-win one for the Indian cricket board as Barclay's continuation till October gives it ample time to strategise whether it will field a candidate for the top post in the month of November.

"There has been no discussion on renomination of Barclay. But he will finish his current two year term as a chairman till end of October. So the process of nominating a new chairman only starts in November," an ICC Board member told PTI on conditions of anonymity.

Originally, there was a possibility that the renomination or nomination would have happened in the month of June but that changed after deliberations between the member boards.

The decision also helps the BCCI buy time as they are likely to have their AGM in September after which the composition of the national parent body will be clear.

The BCCI has already appealed, seeking a a few changes in the Lodha Constitution which many feel till date is practically non-implementable.

It will be interesting to see whether president Sourav Ganguly and secretary Jay Shah go for a cooling-off in September.

Shah's name is doing the rounds as the next chairman of ICC but there has been no confirmation from either the BCCI secretary himself or sources close to him about his apparent interest in throwing his hat in the ring.

Ramiz's proposal shot down by board

PCB chairman Ramiz Raja's ambitious proposal of conducting a four-nation tourney comprising India, Australia, England under the aegis of the ICC was unanimously rejected by the all-powerful board even though there was a projected revenue of USD 750 million for five years.

"In any case, ICC's Financial and Commercial Affairs Committee (F&CA) was against this proposal. As we know that the MPA (Members Participation Agreement) doesn't allow any member nation to host more than tri-nation, organizing four-nation every year would have in any case devalued ICC's own marquee events," a board member said.

Another sensitive issue which board members are talking in hushed tones is whether Raja will remain PCB chairman for long after Imran Khan was removed from Prime Minister's position.

PCB chairman is a political appointee as Pakistan PMs are always Patron-in-chief of the board. Hence Raja, an appointee of Imran Khan, might be forced to tender his resignation in current political climate. The BCCI was always clear in its stand that it won't play four-nations with its calender choc-a-bloc and a lot of bilateral commitments that need to be honoured. On top of that is player's workload and mental health.

There were reports that ECB's Tom Harrison was also independently interested in exploring ideas of a four-nation tourney but it's now evident that nothing of that sort happened at board meeting.

That looks like a fake propaganda source to be honest.

 

[Babeikh]

To be honest I am glad this isn't happening. Just would have been overkill to have a tournament every year- i do like the idea of having multination tournaments like we used to in the 90s with Sharjah etc but they should be ad hoc rather than a regular tournament.

 

[gazza619]

To be honest I am glad this isn't happening. Just would have been overkill to have a tournament every year- i do like the idea of having multination tournaments like we used to in the 90s with Sharjah etc but they should be ad hoc rather than a regular tournament.

Sorry to say but the only people who would oppose this concept would be the ones who have not maturely experienced cricket of the 80s & 90s. The same people also have no interest in India Pakistan test cricket. I don't blame them as they were either not born in that era or were in nursery school (no insult intended).

 

[Babeikh]

Sorry to say but the only people who would oppose this concept would be the ones who have not maturely experienced cricket of the 80s & 90s. The same people also have no interest in India Pakistan test cricket. I don't blame them as they were either not born in that era or were in nursery school (no insult intended).

I experienced cricket throughout the 90s. The difference between then and now is that now we have lots of multinational ICC events - there is one almost every year, whereas back then it was just the world cup. Therefore there was space and demand for multinational tournaments e.g. the Austral-Asia Cup in Sharjah, other tournaments.

Now it would basically be overkill to have such a tournament every year. But I think there should be more tri nations, more quad nation tournaments on an ad hoc basis e.g. instead of playing 5 bilateral ODIs or T20s, teams should organise a tri nations or if possible a quad nations in their home season.

 

[gazza619]

I experienced cricket throughout the 90s. The difference between then and now is that now we have lots of multinational ICC events - there is one almost every year, whereas back then it was just the world cup. Therefore there was space and demand for multinational tournaments e.g. the Austral-Asia Cup in Sharjah, other tournaments.

Now it would basically be overkill to have such a tournament every year. But I think there should be more tri nations, more quad nation tournaments on an ad hoc basis e.g. instead of playing 5 bilateral ODIs or T20s, teams should organise a tri nations or if possible a quad nations in their home season.

But nations like India, Australia, Pakistan & England have good bench strength in white ball. They could easily land a combination of first choice and second choice players and we could still have a thrilling experience.

I have very little interest in the England Pakistan 7 T20 series later this year. People are bored of bi-lateral white ball series.

 

[Babeikh]

But nations like India, Australia, Pakistan & England have good bench strength in white ball. They could easily land a combination of first choice and second choice players and we could still have a thrilling experience.

I have very little interest in the England Pakistan 7 T20 series later this year. People are bored of bi-lateral white ball series.

I think it would be overkill, and by year 3 it would probably end up being scrapped.

I agree though about the 7 T20s against England. That was a good opportunity to have an ad hoc tri nations just before the world cup - maybe invited West Indies or Sri Lanka or South Africa to join.

 

[latecut]

What's stopping the big 3 ditching a untalented, hard to tour nation like Pakistan and bringing in a more competitive NZ or an exciting team like WI?

Pakistan are trying to create their own big 4 but do they have the capability to hold their own on the field, financially and logistically?

Well said. India, England and Australia together bring around 90 % of revenue to ICC. Pakistan brings 0 percent- according to Ramiz Raja himself. India, England and Australia already play bilateral series with each other. that are quite lucrative Why would they include Pakistan in their top three club knowing fully well that it does not help them financially or otherwise. Moreover, Pakistan does not belong to this club.

 

[Pakhs]

Well said. India, England and Australia together bring around 90 % of revenue to ICC. Pakistan brings 0 percent- according to Ramiz Raja himself. India, England and Australia already play bilateral series with each other. that are quite lucrative Why would they include Pakistan in their top three club knowing fully well that it does not help them financially or otherwise. Moreover, Pakistan does not belong to this club.

India would get richer by adding Pakistan however there is nothing in it for England and Australia as fro them they just need to play India. The concept itself is useless because there is too much cricket going on anyway even Pakistani supporters will not support it mostly. Nobody wants to just keep watching useless endless T20s.

 

[Sidilicious]

Don’t care about this 4 team tournament.

I would rather have India play Pakistan in a 3 test series.

 

[Local.Dada]

Don’t care about this 4 team tournament.

I would rather have India play Pakistan in a 3 test series.

After the recent Pak-Aus series, I don’t want to see an Ind-Pak test series. It will be one big snooze fest on some flat roads.

Love to watch them play a LoI series though especially T20 where Pakistan is one of the best teams out there.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Not surprised other boards didn't show interest.

Taking it to the ICC where other boards who were not part of it was pointless exercise.

Ramiz should've got the ball rolling with CA, ECB if BCCI were unwilling and who knows, seeing the success, India might have wanted in.

Trying to strong arm BCCI by making ICC talk about it was just stupid. There is no incentive for other boards in it.

 

[ChTab]

Love to watch them play a LoI series though especially T20 where Pakistan is one of the best teams out there.

You sure about Pakistan being one of the best teams in T20 cricket. Pakistan just lost a T20 international vs Aus C or D side. The only reason behind Pakistan success in bilateral T20 is that we tend to play our strongest XI instead of doing some experiments like all other teams do.

 

[Clueless]

I experienced cricket throughout the 90s. The difference between then and now is that now we have lots of multinational ICC events - there is one almost every year, whereas back then it was just the world cup. Therefore there was space and demand for multinational tournaments e.g. the Austral-Asia Cup in Sharjah, other tournaments.

Now it would basically be overkill to have such a tournament every year. But I think there should be more tri nations, more quad nation tournaments on an ad hoc basis e.g. instead of playing 5 bilateral ODIs or T20s, teams should organise a tri nations or if possible a quad nations in their home season.

Do you understand the main reasons why these multi nation events died out?
There was simply no interest in matches if the host team or India was not involved.

 

[Clueless]

Not surprised other boards didn't show interest.

Taking it to the ICC where other boards who were not part of it was pointless exercise.

Ramiz should've got the ball rolling with CA, ECB if BCCI were unwilling and who knows, seeing the success, India might have wanted in.

Trying to strong arm BCCI by making ICC talk about it was just stupid. There is no incentive for other boards in it.

The only reason and some interest on this forum for this proposal is that Pakistan wants a seat at the table with the big boys. Its laughable how the Pakistani PPers are all for this proposal which excludes everyone else but the big 3 +Pakistan.

How was the reaction here to the proposal of Big 3? PPers were all talking about being inclusion of everything and DEMOCRATIC principles. Exclusion and discrimination seems great as long as you are the one doing the discriminating.

 

[Babeikh]

Do you understand the main reasons why these multi nation events died out?
There was simply no interest in matches if the host team or India was not involved.

Yes that was one of the reasons but we have multination events every year now - T20 world cup, ODI world cup, champions trophy etc Hence why I said it would be overkill to arrange another regular event to have every year but on an ad hoc basis, I think it can still work.

 

[Clueless]

Yes that was one of the reasons but we have multination events every year now - T20 world cup, ODI world cup, champions trophy etc Hence why I said it would be overkill to arrange another regular event to have every year but on an ad hoc basis, I think it can still work.

Plz refer my above post. The proposal is very much that nothing more.

 

[Babeikh]

Plz refer my above post. The proposal is very much that nothing more.

The proposal was to have a regular / annual tournament

 

[Clueless]

The proposal was to have a regular / annual tournament

Which excludes everyone but the big 3+Pakistan.

 

[Babeikh]

Which excludes everyone but the big 3+Pakistan.

Yes exactly - it was a non starter for that reason alone. Hence ad hoc tournaments organised between / among individual boards is more likely to succeed than trying to get a regular annual tournament in through the ICC.

To give an example - the 7 T20s we are due to play against England later this year. Scrap them, invite Windies / Sri Lanka or whoever is available and play a tri nations. That is the kind of thing I mean.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Do you understand the main reasons why these multi nation events died out?
There was simply no interest in matches if the host team or India was not involved.

Because of unnecessary and useless Pyjama Leagues.

 

[Clueless]

Because of unnecessary and useless Pyjama Leagues.

multi nation tourneys died out before T20 came onto the scene bro.

 

[light]

Do you understand the main reasons why these multi nation events died out?
There was simply no interest in matches if the host team or India was not involved.

The last exciting triangular series that comes to mind was the Niandas Trophy tournament. It featured India/Bangladesh/Sri Lanka in it where India went to win it in the last over. It was honestly one of the most exciting tri-series I witnessed, mostly due to the Snake dance antics from the BD players which riled up the lankas, and then the last match vs IND/BD which went to the last ball 6.

The drama/tensions were all too real!

Honestly great idea but I feel like Ramiz is barking at the wrong tree here. Play it with other nations, then once you see the revenue potential, big 3 will most likely follow.

 

[U$ofA]

Yes that was one of the reasons but we have multination events every year now - T20 world cup, ODI world cup, champions trophy etc Hence why I said it would be overkill to arrange another regular event to have every year but on an ad hoc basis, I think it can still work.

The last exciting triangular series that comes to mind was the Niandas Trophy tournament. It featured India/Bangladesh/Sri Lanka in it where India went to win it in the last over. It was honestly one of the most exciting tri-series I witnessed, mostly due to the Snake dance antics from the BD players which riled up the lankas, and then the last match vs IND/BD which went to the last ball 6.

The drama/tensions were all too real!

Honestly great idea but I feel like Ramiz is barking at the wrong tree here. Play it with other nations, then once you see the revenue potential, big 3 will most likely follow.

The revenue generated will be minimal if India is not involved. Add Aus and Eng to it, the revenue potential decreases further. How is this going to attract BCCI, CA and ECB?

From what I have read, the Big3 combined bring in 90% of the revenues. I am sure that number also holds true in ICC tournaments. BCCI alone probably brings in 70% of revenues.

So this will still be the case with this proposal. I do not see any $$$ potential to attract BCCI at a later stage.

 

[Officer Barbrady]

Someone get this clown out of the pcb quarters!

From cricinfo:

There was also the small matter of the members who weren't included in Ramiz's proposal; that is, the eight members outside Pakistan, India, Australia and England. They were, predictably, not happy at not being considered.

 

[Rana]

Someone get this clown out of the pcb quarters!

From cricinfo:

There was also the small matter of the members who weren't included in Ramiz's proposal; that is, the eight members outside Pakistan, India, Australia and England. They were, predictably, not happy at not being considered.

Well personally I’m glad NZCB were also shown some disrespect by PCB. They need to be brought back down to earth

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Someone get this clown out of the pcb quarters!

From cricinfo:

There was also the small matter of the members who weren't included in Ramiz's proposal; that is, the eight members outside Pakistan, India, Australia and England. They were, predictably, not happy at not being considered.

You've got to admire the audacity of Rameez essentially trying to create a Big 4, with no real basis and leaving the rest of the countries watching and wondering what is going on.

Either he is an idiot or a genius. Im still not sure.

 

[MenInG]

LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) rejected the reports of shelving the proposal for the four-nation series featuring Australia, India, England, and Pakistan.

According to the latest PCB statement, the cricket board has confirmed that the four-nation series proposal, which was proposed in the International Cricket Council (ICC) quarterly meeting is still on the table and has not been rejected.

“The PCB’s proposal to hold a four-nation tournament has not been rejected and is still on the table,” the cricket board stated.

“The proposal will also be discussed at the ICC’s annual meeting in Birmingham,” the statement added.

A-sport

 

[James]

<b>‘Four-nation T20I series idea is still alive’: Ramiz Raja</b>

LAHORE, Jun 24 (APP): Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Ramiz Raja has said that the idea of an annual quadrangular T20I series involving Pakistan, India, Australia and England was still alive with the International Cricket Council (ICC) and it has not been shelved.

In a post Board of Governors (BoG) meeting press conference at the Gaddafi Stadium here on Friday, he said the four-nation concept was not dead as was presumed by the media, adding that the ICC was bundling rights for the ICC world cup events when the idea was floated and it was not appropriate time to pursue the idea otherwise the investors would have chased it. He said PCB will pursue the idea in a robust way.

To a question, Ramiz acceded to the idea that the expanding IPL window was squeezing the bilateral series, adding that no announcement has yet been made on IPL being given two and half month window in the next ICC Future Tours Programme. He said it was highly unlikely for IPL being a domestic tournament, assuring he will take up the issue at the ICC AGM in July.

‘PCB will give its opinion in a bold way wherever it feels short-changed’, he responded.

Ramiz took credit for holding PSL 7 in one piece at home grounds, adding that the PSL was played in bits in pieces in the past which broke the momentum. He said the audiences have started to own Pakistan cricket and this filled the coffers which is a good omen for cricket.

Taking credit for the success under him, he said Pakistan cricket team’s success is 75 percent since he took over in September last and this is the best success rate among all cricketing nations. He urged the media to highlight the achievements of the cricketers and cricket board instead falling for the negativity.

“We are open to positive criticism and would welcome all opinion on how to improve team’s performance”, chairman PCB said.

On commercial excellence, he said there has been an increase of 81 percent in PSL model, 35 percent growth in shirt logo while there has been a phenomenal rise of 77 percent in sale of rights this year, adding that the funds have been at the highest in the history of the PCB. He said Pakistan Junior League (PJL) will also attract money for the PCB, adding that the board has been envisaging new ideas and properties.

For the first, the spectators will watch three foreign coaches in the domestic circuit, adding that domestic cricket is the jugular vein of the Pakistan cricket and the good nursery of players will augur well for the the Pakistan cricket.

On the organizational excellence, he said fans engagement has been on the top of agenda, adding that people saw house-full during the PSL, Pakistan-Australia series and Pakistan- west Indies series in Multan, adding that he also talked about revamping of infrastructure at major stadiums and renovating cricket grounds in small stadiums so that cricket could reach to these cities, adding that the spectators in small cities are desirous of seeing their heroes.

Defending his decision to change coaching staff prior to the ICC T20 World Cup 21, he said the decision brought freshness to the performance, adding that Australia batting great Matthew Hayden will again be hired to coach the team in ICC T20 WC 22 in Australia.

To a question, he said PCB does not want to be burden on the provincial government due to security concerns and it is also unjust to lockdown a city, adding that 70 rooms each will be constructed in Multan and Karachi while 30 rooms will be erected at the National High Performance Center (NHPC) to make room for the players to stay during a series.

Ramiz further said that the board has approached the Capital Development Authority (CDA) for land to build new stadium, adding that there was need to build new stadium to cater to the needs of the fans.

He said sponsors wanted to invest in Pakistan cricket, adding that a drop-in pitch costs a billion rupees but it is difficult to arrange for the transportation, adding that the board has decided to import soil from Australia while a curator will be here in July.

He said the cricket pitches against Australia were dead, and that is all pitches have been replaced in 107 centers in the country and a Dubai-based company will stitch artificial grass on these pitches. He also told of experimenting with 80 percent clay content in the making of the pitches.

On the representation from associations in the PCB BoG, he said the scrutiny is underway and the representation will be made once the scrutiny is complete.

On his removal as Chairman PCB, Ramiz said Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif is patron of PCB and he has sent him a request for a meeting to brief him on the performance of PCB.

He said people should not be removed on the wish of one or two person if the performance is impeccable, adding that excellence can’t be produced without continuity.

On former prime minister Imran Khan, he said all contacts were discontinued by him as soon as the former prime minister left office.

On departmental cricket, he said he had written to the departments but their response was luke-warm, adding that it was a wrong impression that cricketers have lost jobs.

He said 250 cricketers have been employed by the PCB only. On the financial issues in the Kashmir Premier League (KPL), he said the board had received a complaint against non-payment and the issue has been communicated to top management of the KPL.

On hurdles, he said the only hurdle was the style of cricket by the team and he had spoken to Babar Azam about it, adding that he has not bothered about it since the team is performing.

‘I have spoken to BCCI President Sourav Ganguly on the sidelines that we are three cricketers including Martin Snedden on the Boards and what is the benefit if we cannot bring about the difference in bilateral cricket but Ganguly had his issues’, Ramiz responded, adding that Ganguly had offered me twice to play in IPL but I was split, though it made cricketing sense, as the fans would have torn me apart.

On code of conduct for PCB officials, he said “We are a regulatory body and everything is dependent on discipline,” adding that the officials need to follow PCB rules and regulations.

On increasing team in the domestic cricket, he said Babar Azam is also supporter of one more team, adding that the once the performance of the team is pressing, one or two more team will be added.

He said the PCB will renovate and provide infrastructure to the five or six cricket clubs which have been producing test cricketers, adding that the complaints on selection on local level will be addressed.

He said PJL is a massive attraction, adding that a super star will be incharge of a dug-out to keep intact interest of the fans, adding that the investors are investing in the future stars of the country.

On non-selection of Asad Shafiq, Ramiz Raja said he does not interfere in the selection of the teams, adding that people cannot be on the same page in the selection matters but effort is made to give right to the deserving cricketers.

https://www.app.com.pk/sports/four-nation-t20i-series-idea-is-still-alive-ramiz-raja/?amp

 

[dravidthewall]

Feels like Ramiz Raja makes it possible..