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Michael Clarke
Michael Hussey
Alastair Cook
AB de Villiers
Kevin Pietersen
Hashim Amla
Ross Taylor
 
Hussey (even though he avgs 50+) and Taylor aren't at same level as those five. I will come onto them after few hours when I am free.

Both are 7/10 in my opinion.
 
Michael Clarke - 7.5
Michael Hussey- 8.0
Alastair Cook - 8.0
AB de Villiers- 7.0
Kevin Pietersen-7.5
Hashim Amla-8.5
Ross Taylor - 6.5
 
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Michael Clarke- 8/10
Michael Hussey- 7/10
Alastair Cook- 7.5/10
AB de Villiers- 8/10
Kevin Pietersen- 8/10
Hashim Amla- 8.5/10
Ross Taylor- 6.5/10
 
I think all of them get 8.5 except Amla and AB. Even Ross Taylor and Cook deserve it I see some rating them lower, while perhaps not as prolific in terms of averages, Cook opened and one of the best openers of his era while Ross Taylor was the backbone of a weak batting line up (until Williamson joined to support). Cook tbh never really looked like he had the talent of the rest, but still put up numbers among with the best.

Amla and AB are 9, dunno which of them's better. Probably go with Amla.
 
Hussey is getting overrated here. He has got just five hundreds away from home and a combined total of just 1 100 in England, NZ and SA.

Hussey never scored a double hundred in his test career.

Ranking them:

Amla - 8.5
KP/Clarke- 8
AB- 7.75
Cook- 7.5
Taylor/ Hussey- 7
 
Michael Clarke-8.5
Michael Hussey-7
Alastair Cook-8.5
AB de Villiers-7.5
Kevin Pietersen-7.5
Hashim Amla-9
Ross Taylor-6.5
 
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Michael Clarke-7.5
Michael Hussey-7
Alastair Cook-7
AB de Villiers-7.25
Kevin Pietersen-7.5
Hashim Amla-7.25
Ross Taylor-6

Clarke and KP stand out for me , Amla is still playing , so end up at a better position .Hussey was also very good but played very less no of tests .
 
Clarke: 7
Hussey: 7
Cook: 7.5
ABD: 7.5
KP: 7.5
Ross: 6.5
Amla: 9

Amla will probably end up as a 9.5, ABD will remain where he is and Cook can move up to 8.

These rankings have been given assuming Sachin and Lara are 10s.
 
0-1: Test cricket failures.
2-3: Mediocre players.
4-5: Decent players.
6-7: Good players.
7-8: Great players.
9-10: ATGs.

This seems a pretty good breakdown of the rankings.
 
Bilal7 said:
Lol, what has Cook done to be rated as a 9.5? :))



6.5 and 9 more like it.
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Been of England's best batsmen during his period of playing, had a good average for an opener, dominated a series in Australia and India. Furthermore had the burden of captaincy for 4 years.

As always Amla is significantly better than whoever he is compared to by you :))
 
Bilal7 said:
Clarke: 7
Hussey: 7
Cook: 7.5
ABD: 7.5
KP: 7.5
Ross: 6.5
Amla: 9

Amla will probably end up as a 9.5, ABD will remain where he is and Cook can move up to 8.

These rankings have been given assuming Sachin and Lara are 10s.
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I'd move Hussey down to a 6.5. He wasn't as good as Clarke.
 
Michael Clarke 7.5
Michael Hussey 6.5
Alastair Cook 7.5
AB de Villiers 8
Kevin Pietersen 8
Hashim Amla 8.5
Ross Taylor 6.5
 
Hasan123 said:
Been of England's best batsmen during his period of playing, had a good average for an opener, dominated a series in Australia and India. Furthermore had the burden of captaincy for 4 years.

As always Amla is significantly better than whoever he is compared to by you :))
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How does captaincy come into play here? Rate them on their batting and you'll see how ridiculous your rating of 9.5 looks. Cook has failed numerous times against the best bowlers in the world, especially the best pace bowlers in the world. He also bats at a snail's pace and has never played an aggressive innings in his life.

He hasn't been England's best batsman for more than a couple of years. First it was KP and then Joe Root.

Amla is rated significantlg higher because he is significantly better than anyone else mentioned in this thread. You talk about Cook's performances in Australia and India, well Amla has outbatted him in both those countries and has done much, much more. Rating Cook higher than Amla is a joke.

Also, both of us gave Amla the same ranking so I don't know what you're talking about. I however, am not overrating the Cookie monster.
 
Bilal7 said:
How does captaincy come into play here? Rate them on their batting and you'll see how ridiculous your rating of 9.5 looks. Cook has failed numerous times against the best bowlers in the world, especially the best pace bowlers in the world. He also bats at a snail's pace and has never played an aggressive innings in his life.

He hasn't been England's best batsman for more than a couple of years. First it was KP and then Joe Root.

Amla is rated significantlg higher because he is significantly better than anyone else mentioned in this thread. You talk about Cook's performances in Australia and India, well Amla has outbatted him in both those countries and has done much, much more. Rating Cook higher than Amla is a joke.

Also, both of us gave Amla the same ranking so I don't know what you're talking about. I however, am not overrating the Cookie monster.
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The burden of captaincy is a lot especially for a team like England. If it was so easy to be perform as a batsmen when captain Amla would have been able to do it.

Yes cook has failed against some bowlers but it's ovverated on PP, he has still scored against some good bowlers and scoring against some top spinners for an English player isn't something to be sniffed at.

Kallis and Smith were better players than Amla ,after they retired Amla hasn't been as good. Whilst even when KP was booted Out,Bell and Trott declined Cook still maintained a decent average.

You have ovverated Amla, you have given him a 2 point margin over every player. HE Isn't significantly better than KP and even a comparison between Clarke and Amla isn't as one sided as you would think.
 
Hasan123 said:
The burden of captaincy is a lot especially for a team like England. If it was so easy to be perform as a batsmen when captain Amla would have been able to do it.

Yes cook has failed against some bowlers but it's ovverated on PP, he has still scored against some good bowlers and scoring against some top spinners for an English player isn't something to be sniffed at.

Kallis and Smith were better players than Amla ,after they retired Amla hasn't been as good. Whilst even when KP was booted Out,Bell and Trott declined Cook still maintained a decent average.

You have ovverated Amla, you have given him a 2 point margin over every player. HE Isn't significantly better than KP and even a comparison between Clarke and Amla isn't as one sided as you would think.
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The burdens of captaincy may be a lot but like the burden of wicket-keeping, it doesn't really matter in this discussion. If captaincy is being considered then I would move Cook and Clarke up by a little bit but nothing can justify giving Cook a rating of 9.5.

Cook has failed against the best bowling sides several times throughout his career. He has done well against spin on occasions but a top-order batsman's main job is seeing off the initial spell from the pace bowlers and Cook hasn't been great at it. Don't think Cook has ever done too well as far as the ICC rankings are concerned and despite what you say, he was never England's best batsman. Apart from a few months here and there.

Neither Kallis nor Smith was South Africa's best batsman post-2010. Amla was and that remained the case for a good five-six years. Forget South Africa, unlike Cook, Amla was the best batsman in the world for over four years and even today is rated among the best in the business. Cook has never been the best test batsman in the world.

Yes, I'm sure Clarke and his away average of 38 are just as great as Amla and his away average of 50. KP played ATG innings but was not an ATG batsman. Cook is not anywhere near Amla and neither is ABD, in test cricket. Hussey and Taylor? Really?
 
Clarke was the best captain of the lot.

And seriously Cook 9.5 lol.The guy who is not even in his countries top5 opening batsmen and won't even feature in top 15 openers of alltime.

Amla also 8.5 only. He has scored heavily in only one series in Australia, India, England and UAE.
 
Bilal7 said:
The burdens of captaincy may be a lot but like the burden of wicket-keeping, it doesn't really matter in this discussion. If captaincy is being considered then I would move Cook and Clarke up by a little bit but nothing can justify giving Cook a rating of 9.5.

Cook has failed against the best bowling sides several times throughout his career. He has done well against spin on occasions but a top-order batsman's main job is seeing off the initial spell from the pace bowlers and Cook hasn't been great at it. Don't think Cook has ever done too well as far as the ICC rankings are concerned and despite what you say, he was never England's best batsman. Apart from a few months here and there.

Neither Kallis nor Smith was South Africa's best batsman post-2010. Amla was and that remained the case for a good five-six years. Forget South Africa, unlike Cook, Amla was the best batsman in the world for over four years and even today is rated among the best in the business. Cook has never been the best test batsman in the world.

Yes, I'm sure Clarke and his away average of 38 are just as great as Amla and his away average of 50. KP played ATG innings but was not an ATG batsman. Cook is not anywhere near Amla and neither is ABD, in test cricket. Hussey and Taylor? Really?
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Between 2008-2014, Kallis was outperformed by Smith, Amla and ABDV. I posted all the big series performance in that "Is Kallis underrated " thread.
 
Ab Fan said:
Hussey is getting overrated here. He has got just five hundreds away from home and a combined total of just 1 100 in England, NZ and SA.

Hussey never scored a double hundred in his test career.

Ranking them:

Amla - 8.5
KP/Clarke- 8
AB- 7.75
Cook- 7.5
Taylor/ Hussey- 7
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You've done no better than Hasan. No way Clarke is an 8 and ahead of Cook and ABD. An away average of 38 is pathetic.
 
Bilal7 said:
You've done no better than Hasan. No way Clarke is an 8 and ahead of Cook and ABD. An away average of 38 is pathetic.
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Clarke has got 12 hundreds away from home. He contributed in winning Australia a test series in India in 2004 and played two outstanding knocks in SA. He has done well in England too. Then he has scored 200s and 300s albeit at home but then you gotta score runs. He did well vs Steyn and Morkel unlike Cook .

You cant look just at those stats and call anyone a HTB.

Hussey with an avg of 41 can be called as HTB. He has got 14 hundreds at home and only 5 away with only one coming up in SA, Eng and NZ combined.
 
Bilal7 said:
The burdens of captaincy may be a lot but like the burden of wicket-keeping, it doesn't really matter in this discussion. If captaincy is being considered then I would move Cook and Clarke up by a little bit but nothing can justify giving Cook a rating of 9.5.

Cook has failed against the best bowling sides several times throughout his career. He has done well against spin on occasions but a top-order batsman's main job is seeing off the initial spell from the pace bowlers and Cook hasn't been great at it. Don't think Cook has ever done too well as far as the ICC rankings are concerned and despite what you say, he was never England's best batsman. Apart from a few months here and there.

Neither Kallis nor Smith was South Africa's best batsman post-2010. Amla was and that remained the case for a good five-six years. Forget South Africa, unlike Cook, Amla was the best batsman in the world for over four years and even today is rated among the best in the business. Cook has never been the best test batsman in the world.

Yes, I'm sure Clarke and his away average of 38 are just as great as Amla and his away average of 50. KP played ATG innings but was not an ATG batsman. Cook is not anywhere near Amla and neither is ABD, in test cricket. Hussey and Taylor? Really?
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I didn't say hussey and Taylor are as good as Amla. I was saying KP and Amla the distance between them as test batsmen isn't as far as you think . I would take Amla over KP in that format but I wouldn't be so upset like you if someone said they rate KP higher.

Clarke has scored centuries in India,South Africa,and England. Look at his stats before the last year of his career , how far from a FTB. But obviously when another batsmen name isn't Amla or another one of your favourites the runs they score the pitches and bowlers become rubbish .
 
Cook failed in straight 10 consecutive Ashes series and then continued failing vs India and Lanka at home, latter manages to register a series win there.

Got lucky in UAE as he never faced Ajmal or Yasir there.

In comparison, there are very few series which Amla or AB have failed between 2008-2015.
 
Michael Clarke 8
Michael Hussey 8
Alastair Cook 8
AB de Villiers 9
Kevin Pietersen 9
Hashim Amla 9
Ross Taylor dunno who that is
 
Michael Clarke 7
A good test batsman, but not a great one.
Michael Hussey 7
Same as above
Alastair Cook 8
One of the better English openers ever
AB de Villiers 8
One of the better middle order batsman
Kevin Pietersen 8.5
Could have been a 9, but for his issues.....
Hashim Amla 7
He's been great in ODI's, but in tests, he's a good player, but not a great one
Ross Taylor 7.5
Very good for NZ, but I wouldn't classify him as great.

Imo 9 and above should only be used for the truly great players, which none on this list are. I'm actually being generous, because for me, an average batsman would be a 5, and a good one around 6-7, and the great ones, 8 and above...
 
Michael Clarke - 8.5
Michael Hussey - 7
Alastair Cook - 8.5
AB de Villiers - 7.5
Kevin Pietersen - 8.0
Hashim Amla - 8.5
Ross Taylor - 6.5
 
Michael Clarke 8/10
Michael Hussey 6/10
Alastair Cook 7/10
AB de Villiers 7/10
Kevin Pietersen 8/10
Hashim Amla 8/10
Ross Taylor 6/10
 
Clarke 6.5
Hussey 7
Cook 8.5
KP 6.5
AB 7
Amla 8
Ross 7
 
Clarke 8.5
Hussey 8
Cook 7.5
KP 8
AB 8.25
Amla 8.5
Taylor 7.5

Taylor is massively underrated here. Clearly no one really watches NZ play test cricket.

To make my rating system clearer

Tendulkar 9.5
Dean Elgar 6
 
Ted123 said:
Michael Clarke 8/10 (overall, end was crippled)
Michael Hussey 8/10
Alastair Cook 7.5/10
AB de Villiers 7.5/10 (so far)
Kevin Pietersen 8/10
Hashim Amla 7.5/10
Ross Taylor 7/10
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Would like to know from some posters why is Hussey getting rated so higher?

I know he is widely regarded as high quality player, great finisher( odis) and Mr. cricket.

But you have to look at how good was his test career overall. Some rating him ahead or equal to Clarke?
 
Michael Clarke - 7

Michael Hussey- 6.5

Alastair Cook - 8.0

AB de Villiers- 8.5

Kevin Pietersen-8

Hashim Amla-8

Ross Taylor - 6.5
 
Ted123 said:
Michael Clarke 7,5
Michael Hussey 7
Alastair Cook 7
AB de Villiers 7,5
Kevin Pietersen 8,5
Hashim Amla 8
Ross Taylor 6,5
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Kevin Pietersen is the best of the lot. It's very hard to give 8 too all of them, because how are you then going to rate the different categories of batsmen above them.
 
Ab Fan said:
Would like to know from some posters why is Hussey getting rated so higher?

I know he is widely regarded as high quality player, great finisher( odis) and Mr. cricket.

But you have to look at how good was his test career overall. Some rating him ahead or equal to Clarke?
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Hussey had a limited time but was absolutely Bradmanlike at times. Match turning knock after match turning knock. He packed as many into his shorter career as Clarke did

Clarke was a captain but I think his captaincy left a lot to be desired in many areas, so no advantage there.

And yes, Hussey was "Mr Cricket"- devoted everything to leaving the game better than he found it. Clarke was to some degree a selfish narcissist who cared more about his celebrity girlfriends and image for a long time. His personal vendettas damaged Australian cricket at the time.
 
wrongun said:
Hussey had a limited time but was absolutely Bradmanlike at times. Match turning knock after match turning knock. <B>He packed as many into his shorter career as Clarke did</B>

Clarke was a captain but I think his captaincy left a lot to be desired in many areas, so no advantage there.

And yes, Hussey was "Mr Cricket"- devoted everything to leaving the game better than he found it. Clarke was to some degree a selfish narcissist who cared more about his celebrity girlfriends and image for a long time. His personal vendettas damaged Australian cricket at the time.
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Clarke has done much better away from home than Hussey.

Hussey has got just 5 hundreds away from home and 14 at home in comparison.
 
Ab Fan said:
Clarke has done much better away from home than Hussey.

Hussey has got just 5 hundreds away from home and 14 at home in comparison.
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Hmm good stat. That may well contribute to my perception of him as a match winner vs reliable but rear guarding Clarke.
 
Michael Clarke-8/10
Michael Hussey- 7/10
Alastair Cook- 7/10
AB de Villiers- 8.5/10
Kevin Pietersen- 8.5/10
Hashim Amla- 9/10
Ross Taylor- 6.5/10
 
Michael Clarke - 7
Michael Hussey - 6.5
Alastair Cook - 7
AB de Villiers - 6.5
Kevin Pietersen - 8
Hashim Amla - 8
Ross Taylor - 6
 
Have no idea what these rankings are based upon and what the numbers represent.

Just looks like people's personal Like/Dislike list.

No stats, no comment, just list of players!
 
Majestic said:
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If I take 10 as absolute, this is probably my scores


Michael Clarke 7.00
Michael Hussey 6.00
Alastair Cook 6.75
AB de Villiers 7.50
Kevin Pietersen 7.50
Hashim Amla 6.75
Ross Taylor 5.75

To me Cook is a bit under rated here while Hussey is over rated as Test batsman. He started career late (at 30), and retired by 37, which actually helped him to manage a great Test stats (started career as a mature cricketer at prime) - he and Ross are similar player to me though Mike was a far better ODI player.

Amla has lost a fair bit of ground in last 2 years, otherwise he was certain to get at least 7.25. I really rate Clarke high, but he couldn't fulfill their potential to score 7.50. Before recent SAF season, KP was ahead of AB; but I'll put them at per now.
 
Amla- 8
KP- 8
ABD- 8
Clarke- 7.5(dunno why I gave 8 earlier)
Cook- 7.5
Hussey- 7
Taylor- 6.5
 
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Tests?
I don't know what rating to give, especially since Amla is past it and AB is still going strong. However it will take a while for AB to get there.

Hashim Amla
AB
Alastair Cook
Kevin Pietersen?
Michael Clarke?

Removed Hussey and Taylor don't rate them. Taylor has had no impact on the game. He just scores runs, I don't know where these runs go. They're definitely not winning his team matches.
 
Rank the following modern-era batsmen in tests format:-

Rahul Dravid
Jacques Kallis
Kevin Pietersen
Younis khan
AB de Villiers
Alastair Cook
Mohammad Yousuf

Discuss!
 
Ab is easily a better batsmen than Dravid. No one who understands the game will take Dravid over AB when it comes to playing top qualify pace.
 
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