Rating Asian pacemen

[The Googly]

Top pacers in Asia

Amir 9
Hasan Ali 7.5
U yadav 7
Wahab 7 (tests only - 3 for odi)
Bhumra 6.5
Bhuvi 6.5
Junaid 6.5
Malinga 6
Lakmal 5.5
Rumaan 5
Ishant 5

 

[Azzurri]

You are being too generous. My rating will be something like this,

Amir 7.5
Hasan Ali 6 (Sample size very little)
U yadav 7
Mustafiz 7.5
Wahab 6 (tests only - 3 for odi)
Bhumra 7.5
Bhuvi 8
Junaid 6.5
Malinga 7
Lakmal 5.5
Rumaan 5
Ishant 5

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Would give Bhuvi 8 and Junaid 7, at the very least. Rest can be argued upon.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Amir
Hasan
Bashir
Waqas
Irfan
Ehtisham
Ghulam

All better than whatever India or Bangladesh have.

 

[Bilal7]

If we're only comparing them with their contemporaries like Starc and Rabada, who are both 9/10, then the ranking would be this:

1) Mohammad Amir: 8.6
2) Hassan Ali: 8.3
3) Junaid Khan: 8.0

4) Mustafizur Rahman: 7.5
5) Mohammad Shami: 7.5
6) Wahab Riaz: 7.2
7) Taskin Ahmed: 7.0

8) Bhuvneshwar Kumar: 6.9
9) Suranga Lakmal: 6.9
10) Umesh Yadav: 6.5

 

[Bilal7]

Would give Bhuvi 8 and Junaid 7, at the very least. Rest can be argued upon.

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You are giving a bowler who averages 40 in ODI cricket an 8 and a bowler who averages below 30 and was the third best bowler at the recently concluded Champions Trophy, a 7? How, who, what, where and why in the world???

 

[MoAamer]

Amir
Hasan
Junaid
Rumman
Faheem
Bhuvi
Bumrah
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(many hours later)
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"The Fizz"

 

[ExpressPacer]

Can't give Bhuvi anything higher than a 6 (and I'm being generous there too) because he doesn't pick up too many wickets. No point in containing in this day and age.

Amir: 7 because on some days he has a 12/10 but on other days he's 5/10.
Hasan: 7.
Bumrah: 6.

 

[Pak_lover6]

How can one even give a single point to Wahab in ODIS ?

 

[MoAamer]

How can one even give a single point to Wahab in ODIS ?

I'll give him a 1 for spooking Watson.

 

[MoAamer]

Correction: Creating a leading edge off Watson. Nearly winning the match for Pakistan. Oh wait. It's dropped.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Yes three guys who owned everyone in the CT are marginally better than veggie munching hobbits

This is the sole reason why other SC teams cannot produce half decent pacemen, What I find extremely heartening is that SL against all odds have managed better pacemen in their history than Bangladesh and India combined......

 

[Billy1999]

That Indian pace battery conceded

325 and 338

Yadav 5
Bhuvi 6
Bumrah 5
Shami 7

Amir 7
Hassan 6
Junaid 7
Wahab 4
Rumman 5

 

[Billy1999]

Malinga 5 currently
Pradeep 6
Lakmal 5
Kumara 3


Mustafizur 6
Mashrafe 5
Taskin 5
Rubel 5

 

[MoAamer]

Malinga 5 currently
Pradeep 6
Lakmal 5
Kumara 3


Mustafizur 6
Mashrafe 5
Taskin 5
Rubel 5

Fizz 6, but Rumman 5? Lol

 

[Billy1999]

The fizz got found out big time when it mattered

I found Rumman a similar type bowler as the Fizz but Rumman can also bowl better lengths and swing the ball,He brings his change ups in the final overs,However Rumman is still a work in progress

Currently The fizz is 6

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

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You are giving a bowler who averages 40 in ODI cricket an 8 and a bowler who averages below 30 and was the third best bowler at the recently concluded Champions Trophy, a 7? How, who, what, where and why in the world???

Let's not forget that Bhuvi plays most of his matches on the flattest of tracks where 300+ is the par score.

Bhuvi has a high-end set of skills and has a promising future if you consider that he can swing the ball both ways, has good control, and has added to his pace and can bowl at 140 km/h.

That said, he was very average during the previous year but has returned strongly since then. Performed really well during IPL and stepped him game up since then. That doesn't give Junaid a lead over him though because he was also missing since a couple of years.

 

[waheed_sofi]

Amir 8.5
Hasan Ali 7.5
Bhumra 7
U yadav 7
Wahab 3
Bhuvi 6.5
Junaid 6.5
Malinga 6
Lakmal 6
Rumaan 5
Ishant 5

 

[Hasan123]

If we're only comparing them with their contemporaries like Starc and Rabada, who are both 9/10, then the ranking would be this:

1) Mohammad Amir: 8.6
2) Hassan Ali: 8.3
3) Junaid Khan: 8.0

4) Mustafizur Rahman: 7.5
5) Mohammad Shami: 7.5
6) Wahab Riaz: 7.2
7) Taskin Ahmed: 7.0

8) Bhuvneshwar Kumar: 6.9
9) Suranga Lakmal: 6.9
10) Umesh Yadav: 6.5

Lakmal is rubbish. No way is he better than Yadav.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Hasan
Amir
Bhuvneshwar
Bhumra
Junaid
Yadav

 

[aloo paratha]

Amir-8
Hasan-8
Junaid-7.5
Yadav-7.5
Bumrah-7
Bhuvi-7
Shami-8
Mustafizur-6

 

[ads101]

I'll just rate the current bowlers, the ones that make the team as unsure of the others.

Hasan-9.5
Amir- 9
Junaid- 8
Bhuvi- Strange player. On form looks amazing, however has been off form a lot, hence his unimpressive stats. I'll say current form 8.5 but as for his career in general he's really underperformed given what he's capable of.
Bumrah- 8
Rahman-7 on current form, overall probably an 8.

Don't really know what to say about the Sri Lankan pace attack, keeps changing and difficult to class, but it's below average as a whole. Malinga was a very good LOI bowler, and still can produce a few decent spells, but past his best and very unfit.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Amir is way better than any Indian bowler simply because we saw what Amir can do when he's in a similar situation to Indian bowlers, i.e., scoreboard pressure.

Indian bowlers always have the advantage over Pakistani and Bangladeshi bowlers of scoreboard pressure due to their superhero batting line-up.

Opposition batsmen are much more likely to force the issue against Indian bowlers and get out to standard deliveries than they would against Pakistan where achieving par score is usually a winning score. Hopefully things will change now after this recent tournament

 

[Haz95]

Bhuvneshwar is another Wahab Riaz...One of the best wicketless bowlers in ODIs...

Amir in peak form is best in Asia...then comes Hasan Ali, then probably Yadav if am being generous.

 

[Speedster777]

Amir
Hassan
Junaid
Ruman
Sohail Khan
Irfan

 

[sl-fan-of-pak]

lol, some people think Rabada is gonna be an ATG. Amir is way ahead of him.

 

[Nisar1965]

Amir 8.5
Hassan 8
Bhuwneshwar 7
Junaid 7
Umesh yadav 6.5
Wahab 5

 

[Bilal7]

Let's not forget that Bhuvi plays most of his matches on the flattest of tracks where 300+ is the par score.

Bhuvi has a high-end set of skills and has a promising future if you consider that he can swing the ball both ways, has good control, and has added to his pace and can bowl at 140 km/h.

That said, he was very average during the previous year but has returned strongly since then. Performed really well during IPL and stepped him game up since then. That doesn't give Junaid a lead over him though because he was also missing since a couple of years.

Junaid Khan doesn't exactly play his matches in England or South Africa. His skillset is better and more diverse than Kumar's and he actually has some numbers to go with his skills, unlike Kumar. Injury is the only thing that derailed Khan's progress but when both are fit, Junaid is at a different level to Kumar.

Lakmal is rubbish. No way is he better than Yadav.

Lakmal is better than Yadav in ODIs. Both are pretty average in tests which is why they're #9 and #10.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

If we're only comparing them with their contemporaries like Starc and Rabada, who are both 9/10, then the ranking would be this:

1) Mohammad Amir: 8.6
2) Hassan Ali: 8.3
3) Junaid Khan: 8.0

4) Mustafizur Rahman: 7.5
5) Mohammad Shami: 7.5
6) Wahab Riaz: 7.2
7) Taskin Ahmed: 7.0

8) Bhuvneshwar Kumar: 6.9
9) Suranga Lakmal: 6.9
10) Umesh Yadav: 6.5

the most reasonable post here tho Bhuvi is relatively under rated and both Lakmal and Yadav over rated.

 

[MeanAndGreen]

If we're only comparing them with their contemporaries like Starc and Rabada, who are both 9/10, then the ranking would be this:

1) Mohammad Amir: 8.6
2) Hassan Ali: 8.3
3) Junaid Khan: 8.0

4) Mustafizur Rahman: 7.5
5) Mohammad Shami: 7.5
6) Wahab Riaz: 7.2
7) Taskin Ahmed: 7.0

8) Bhuvneshwar Kumar: 6.9
9) Suranga Lakmal: 6.9
10) Umesh Yadav: 6.5

Why on Earth is Bhuvi rated lower than Wahab. Forget stats, etc - Wahab in the last 18 months has been arguably the worst pacer in ODIs worldwide.

 

[MeanAndGreen]

Amir 8.5
Hassan 8
Junaid 7.5

Bhuvi 7.5
Yadav 7
Shami 7 (ranking can improve when match fit)
Bumrah 7.5

Malinga 6.5
Lakmal 5.5
Eranga 6

Fizz 7 (8.5 in Asia and 6 outside)
Taskin 6.5
Mashrsfe 6.5

 

[iaakash]

You just cannot compare Pakistani pacers with the current Asian lot. Amir, Junaid, Hassan and Rumman are far better than Yadav, Bumrah, Eranga, Rubel, Taskin, Shami, Malinga (Current form), Lakmal, Fizz and rest of them. Bhuvi is good. He can swing both ways, has pace but again how many matches has he won for India. Pakistani pacers are known for changing the outcome of the game dramatically. Within one spell they could write a fairytale which is a rare feature and has been the main weapon of Pakistan since ages. None of the other Asian side has such bowlers and I cannot see them developing one in the near future.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Amir-9.5
Hassan-9.0

Others- Below 6.0

P.S: Considering only one tournament and other data or stats doesn't matter.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Junaid Khan doesn't exactly play his matches in England or South Africa. His skillset is better and more diverse than Kumar's and he actually has some numbers to go with his skills, unlike Kumar. Injury is the only thing that derailed Khan's progress but when both are fit, Junaid is at a different level to Kumar.

Lakmal is better than Yadav in ODIs. Both are pretty average in tests which is why they're #9 and #10.

Well, that's your opinion. In my opinion, Bhuvi has a wider range of skills.

 

[Chota Pathan]

Hassan 9.0
Amir 9.0
Junaid 8.5
Rumman 6.0
Wahab 2.0

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Top 5 Pacers in Asia:

1) Mohammad Amir 9.0
2) Hasan Ali 8.5
3) Junaid Khan 8.0
4) Mustafizur Rahman 7.5
5) Lasith Malinga 7.0

 

[Bilal7]

Well, that's your opinion. In my opinion, Bhuvi has a wider range of skills.

Which is why we have facts and the facts say that Kumar averages 39 in ODIs, while Junaid averages 28 in the same format.

 

[waleed88]

Top pacers in Asia

Amir 9
Hasan Ali 7.5
U yadav 7
Wahab 7 (tests only - 3 for odi)
Bhumra 6.5
Bhuvi 6.5
Junaid 6.5
Malinga 6
Lakmal 5.5
Rumaan 5
Ishant 5

This is ridiculous, the best bowler of tournament is rated below a guy who only got 5 wickets in the tournament (in 4 games)... thats the most ridiculous thing I've heard in my life

 

[waleed88]

Everyone here rates Mohammad Amir over Hasan Ali.... lets have a statistical overview in the format they play together i.e ODIs..

36 matches, 55 wickets at an average of 27.41 for Mohammad Amir..

21 matches, 42 wickets at an average of 22.66 for Hasan Ali..

When was the last time Hasan picked a 5'fer in ODIs? - 5/38 vs West Indies in the Providence 2017

Before that? 5/52 vs Australia in Sydney, 2017.

When was the last time Amir picked up a 5'fer in ODIs? Never... (what? really?) that's right never!!!

When was the last time Amir picked up a 4'fer in ODIs? 4/28 vs Srilanka (Premadasa Stadium) in 2009

I Find it absurd Amir is even in the top 3 let alone consider him the top bowler in Asia currently

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Which is why we have facts and the facts say that Kumar averages 39 in ODIs, while Junaid averages 28 in the same format.

Yeah, let's just watch scorecards from now on.

 

[Bilal7]

Yeah, let's just watch scorecards from now on.

No, we can also watch the head-to-head showdowns of the two bowlers, which further solidify Junaid's superiority.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

No, we can also watch the head-to-head showdowns of the two bowlers, which further solidify Junaid's superiority.

I think we have to agree to disagree here; you are needlessly prolonging this discussion.

For me, Bhuvi is a better bowler with a more complete set of skills. Period.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Everyone here rates Mohammad Amir over Hasan Ali.... lets have a statistical overview in the format they play together i.e ODIs..

36 matches, 55 wickets at an average of 27.41 for Mohammad Amir..

21 matches, 42 wickets at an average of 22.66 for Hasan Ali..

When was the last time Hasan picked a 5'fer in ODIs? - 5/38 vs West Indies in the Providence 2017

Before that? 5/52 vs Australia in Sydney, 2017.

When was the last time Amir picked up a 5'fer in ODIs? Never... (what? really?) that's right never!!!

When was the last time Amir picked up a 4'fer in ODIs? 4/28 vs Srilanka (Premadasa Stadium) in 2009

I Find it absurd Amir is even in the top 3 let alone consider him the top bowler in Asia currently

In Odis we don't only consider wickets and economy is considered too. Hasan has economy of 5.47, which isn't good, while Amir has an economy of 4.84, which is extremely good keeping in view the modern cricket.

Secondly, everything is not looked through stats and stuff. Amir is rated above Hasan as he can bowl once in a generation spells and turn games on it's head from any situation. Hasan couldn't have got Rohit, Shikhar and the number one batsman in the world, Kohli out twice in the Final. Amir has more skill than Hasan and that is why we are rating him above.

Mustafizur has better stats than Starc, Boult, Rabada, Hazlewood and Amir. Is he a better bowler than them?

 

[waleed88]

In Odis we don't only consider wickets and economy is considered too. Hasan has economy of 5.47, which isn't good, while Amir has an economy of 4.84, which is extremely good keeping in view the modern cricket.

Secondly, everything is not looked through stats and stuff. Amir is rated above Hasan as he can bowl once in a generation spells and turn games on it's head from any situation. Hasan couldn't have got Rohit, Shikhar and the number one batsman in the world, Kohli out twice in the Final. Amir has more skill than Hasan and that is why we are rating him above.

Mustafizur has better stats than Starc, Boult, Rabada, Hazlewood and Amir. Is he a better bowler than them?

Exactly, lets just forget Pakistan won the tournament by bowling the opposition the out of the game in all of their games, they outbowled the opposition into submission, but yea lets just focus on economy just for the sake of arguement..

Amir's economy makes him much better than Hasan Ali, hilarious

 

[asadee]

Bhuvneshwar is extremely boring for a fast bowler

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Exactly, lets just forget Pakistan won the tournament by bowling the opposition the out of the game in all of their games, they outbowled the opposition into submission, but yea lets just focus on economy just for the sake of arguement..

Amir's economy makes him much better than Hasan Ali, hilarious

You just read the part which you liked and that too, incorrectly. I clearly said ' We don't only consider wickets rather economy is considered too'. Also I never even said that Amir is better than Hasan because of his economy, you just made that up, rather I said he is better because he can produce once in a generation spells, like he did in the Final and also because of the fact that he has the ability to turn matches from any situation.

In the end, I said Amir is being rated above Hasan not because of stats but because of his skill.Also as we know that every bowler who has better stats than other, can't definitely be greater than other, example : Mustafizur has better stats than Starc, Amir, Boult, Rabada , Hazlewood and Hasan. Is he better bowler than them?

And please, I don't want to read a hilarious response again.

 

[waleed88]

You just read the part which you liked and that too, incorrectly. I clearly said ' We don't only consider wickets rather economy is considered too'. Also I never even said that Amir is better than Hasan because of his economy, you just made that up, rather I said he is better because he can produce once in a generation spells, like he did in the Final and also because of the fact that he has the ability to turn matches from any situation.

In the end, I said Amir is being rated above Hasan not because of stats but because of his skill.Also as we know that every bowler who has better stats than other, can't definitely be greater than other, example : Mustafizur has better stats than Starc, Amir, Boult, Rabada , Hazlewood and Hasan. Is he better bowler than them?

And please, I don't want to read a hilarious response again.

No skill is worth mentioning that doesn't get you wickets...

Secondly even if you didn't rate him above Amir majority of posters did..

Amir has made a name for himself in the past, but 3 wickets in a final match is still not good enough to wipe the boots of Hasan's performance throughout the tournament... the gulf of class between the two bowlers is just too much... 5 wickets vs 13 wickets... including 3 in the final... Hasan is just too good to be even mentioned in the same name as MA

 

[waleed88]

Here are the top performances ever by any bowler in the world vs India in a tournament with 5+ teams...

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...s;tournament_type=5;type=bowling;view=innings

Notice Mohammad Amir is not in the list until no.25

By this logic Wahab Riaz is the greatest Pakistan bowler ever since Wahab didn't do anything throughout the tournament but in the semi final he got rid of Virender Sehwag, Virat Kohli, Yuvraj Singh (player of the tournament), MS Dhoni, Zaheer Khan...

Or Sohail Khan who in the 2015 World Cup got rid of Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli, Suresh Raina, MS Dhoni and Ajinke Rahane

 

[Suleiman]

I think we have to agree to disagree here; you are needlessly prolonging this discussion.

For me, Bhuvi is a better bowler with a more complete set of skills. Period.

Agreed. I echoed similar sentiments in Bhuvi vs Junaid thread. There was only a comparison possible between them in the aane do series where Junaid gave the performance of his life, and I don't think he'll ever top that.

Following years Bhuvi has shown to be the superior bowler. Probably a top 3 new ball bowler in LOIs with Starc as #1.

It's rare these days to find someone who swings it both ways like Bhuvi, something statsguru won't show you. Not only that, while Junaid was regressing wrt to his action and pace, Bhuvi has added about 15 k's in speed, has gone from trundling at 120 to mid 130s and cranking it to 140, shows what a good coaching system and fitness training can do.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Agreed. I echoed similar sentiments in Bhuvi vs Junaid thread. There was only a comparison possible between them in the aane do series where Junaid gave the performance of his life, and I don't think he'll ever top that.

Following years Bhuvi has shown to be the superior bowler. Probably a top 3 new ball bowler in LOIs with Starc as #1.

It's rare these days to find someone who swings it both ways like Bhuvi, something statsguru won't show you. Not only that, while Junaid was regressing wrt to his action and pace, Bhuvi has added about 15 k's in speed, has gone from trundling at 120 to mid 130s and cranking it to 140, shows what a good coaching system and fitness training can do.

Yeah, agreed.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

No skill is worth mentioning that doesn't get you wickets...

Secondly even if you didn't rate him above Amir majority of posters did..

Amir has made a name for himself in the past, but 3 wickets in a final match is still not good enough to wipe the boots of Hasan's performance throughout the tournament... the gulf of class between the two bowlers is just too much... 5 wickets vs 13 wickets... including 3 in the final... Hasan is just too good to be even mentioned in the same name as MA

In your very first post with the stats, you complained, 'Why everyone is rating Amir above Hasan?' and now you are saying, 'even if you didn't rate him above Amir, majority of posters did'. Spectacular turnaround!!!

Secondly, 3 wickets in the Final against India(a opponent we were desperate to beat) and that too of the top 3 batsmen of the tournament is far more memorable than Hasan's bowling in the tournament.

Lastly, I will again have to say that stats don't matter while rating a bowler, rather the style of bowling does, but you keep repeating 5 vs 13. If you ask any cricketing expert(unlike you) who have played cricket, that who is a better bowler between Amir and Hasan, everyone will have the same response, 'Amir'.

 

[Syed1]

1. Hasan
2. Amir
3. Bumrah
4. Junaid
5. Bhuv

 

[Syed1]

Agreed. I echoed similar sentiments in Bhuvi vs Junaid thread. There was only a comparison possible between them in the aane do series where Junaid gave the performance of his life, and I don't think he'll ever top that.

Following years Bhuvi has shown to be the superior bowler. Probably a top 3 new ball bowler in LOIs with Starc as #1.

It's rare these days to find someone who swings it both ways like Bhuvi, something statsguru won't show you. Not only that, while Junaid was regressing wrt to his action and pace, Bhuvi has added about 15 k's in speed, has gone from trundling at 120 to mid 130s and cranking it to 140, shows what a good coaching system and fitness training can do.

That is why Bhuv wasn't even in the top five wicket takers in the tournament despite playing one more match than Juni who happened to be number three on that list.

 

[waleed88]

In your very first post with the stats, you complained, 'Why everyone is rating Amir above Hasan?' and now you are saying, 'even if you didn't rate him above Amir, majority of posters did'. Spectacular turnaround!!!

Secondly, 3 wickets in the Final against India(a opponent we were desperate to beat) and that too of the top 3 batsmen of the tournament is far more memorable than Hasan's bowling in the tournament.

Lastly, I will again have to say that stats don't matter while rating a bowler, rather the style of bowling does, but you keep repeating 5 vs 13. If you ask any cricketing expert(unlike you) who have played cricket, that who is a better bowler between Amir and Hasan, everyone will have the same response, 'Amir'.

Yes and maybe we should give the bowler of the tournament to Hasan Ali..

the guy didn't receive a man of the match award and people here are talking about his world beating performance against India. It was Fakhar who took the match away from india, and majority of Indians have wrote that despite Amir's great bowling spell, it was Fakhar who has outshone everyone, the guy who just debut'ed for the country, and took the bowling attacks by storm, the only outstanding batsmen who actually motivated the whole batting lineup to bat positively with a fearless approach

 

[Shutdown Corner]

1. Hasan
2. Amir
3. Bumrah
4. Junaid
5. Bhuv

Bumrah at #3 is straight up ambitious. Bumrah averages 30+ if you take Zimbabwe out. I expect him to fall away like so many others before. All he has is a bit of pace. Bhuvi is a smart bowler, but his stats are quite mediocre overall indicating his true class isn't that high. Junaid is also overratted IMO.usus

 

[hamaadqureshi819]

Let's not forget that Bhuvi plays most of his matches on the flattest of tracks where 300+ is the par score.

Bhuvi has a high-end set of skills and has a promising future if you consider that he can swing the ball both ways, has good control, and has added to his pace and can bowl at 140 km/h.

That said, he was very average during the previous year but has returned strongly since then. Performed really well during IPL and stepped him game up since then. That doesn't give Junaid a lead over him though because he was also missing since a couple of years.

Comparision between Juniad and bhuvi is illogical. juniad is well above bhuvi. I cant remember a single big match which bhuvi won for his team. Junaid single handedly won the 2012 india pak series for his team and was also the 2nd best bowler of CT17.
Junaid averages 27 while bhuvi has an avg of 37. Junaid is easily the better of two.

 

[Titan24]

If we're only comparing them with their contemporaries like Starc and Rabada, who are both 9/10, then the ranking would be this:

1) Mohammad Amir: 8.6
2) Hassan Ali: 8.3
3) Junaid Khan: 8.0

4) Mustafizur Rahman: 7.5
5) Mohammad Shami: 7.5
6) Wahab Riaz: 7.2
7) Taskin Ahmed: 7.0

8) Bhuvneshwar Kumar: 6.9
9) Suranga Lakmal: 6.9
10) Umesh Yadav: 6.5

Agreed. Nice analysis, which even the stats back. Pretty unbiased as well unlike many other poster who are giving Junaid 6.5.

 

[Titan24]

Would give Bhuvi 8 and Junaid 7, at the very least. Rest can be argued upon.

Lol! Anything other than IPL to back your statement?

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Comparision between Juniad and bhuvi is illogical. juniad is well above bhuvi. I cant remember a single big match which bhuvi won for his team. Junaid single handedly won the 2012 india pak series for his team and was also the 2nd best bowler of CT17.
Junaid averages 27 while bhuvi has an avg of 37. Junaid is easily the better of two.

You always need a good partner; bowlers are at their best when they hunt in pairs. Bhuvi hasn't found one.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Lol! Anything other than IPL to back your statement?

Maybe reading other posts of mine can answer this, I think.

 

[Syed1]

Bumrah at #3 is straight up ambitious. Bumrah averages 30+ if you take Zimbabwe out. I expect him to fall away like so many others before. All he has is a bit of pace. Bhuvi is a smart bowler, but his stats are quite mediocre overall indicating his true class isn't that high. Junaid is also overratted IMO.usus

Bhai you have issue with 3 of the top 5, who in your opinion would have made the list? The only other bowlers who would have had any chance of being in the top 5 would have been Shami and Fizz, but the former doesn't even find a spot in the side anymore and the latter has been a shadow of his former self since injury.

 

[QalandarFan]

A few off the top of my head.

Mohammad Amir - 9
Hassan Ali - 8.5
Junaid Khan - 8
Muztafizur Rahman - 7.25
Mohammad Shami - 7
Bhuvi - 6.75
Taskin Ahmed - 6.5
Lasith Malinga - 6
Umesh Yadav - 6
Wahab Riaz - 5

 

[hamaadqureshi819]

You always need a good partner; bowlers are at their best when they hunt in pairs. Bhuvi hasn't found one.

juni for the most part of his career shared the new ball with anwar ali, who IMO is the worst new ball bowler world has ever seen.

 

[Suleiman]

There is an argument for Junaid vs Bhuvneshwar, even though I disagree

But rating Wab above Bhuvi lmao )

 

[Suleiman]

How can one even give a single point to Wahab in ODIS ?

For aggression, speed, fear factor, x factor, y factor

Basically anything which doesn't have to do with picking wickets or stopping runs.

 

[Square Drive]

Amir
Hasan
Bashir
Waqas
Irfan
Ehtisham
Ghulam

All better than whatever India or Bangladesh have.

Waqas who?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Waqas who?

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?114855-Waqas-Ahmed-Sialkot-fast-bowler/page2

 

[Square Drive]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?114855-Waqas-Ahmed-Sialkot-fast-bowler/page2

OK good, I thought you meant Waqas Maqsood.

What about Taj Wali? Where do you rate him?

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

OK good, I thought you meant Waqas Maqsood.

What about Taj Wali? Where do you rate him?

I bowl pretty quick bro - haven't you heard ???

 

[Chief Destroyer]

OK good, I thought you meant Waqas Maqsood.

What about Taj Wali? Where do you rate him?

I don't know where to put Taj atm because he hasn't really put his hand up since the first Pakistan Cup where he was excellent. He's gotta start making some noise and Peshawar needs to back him.

 

[Red Devil]

A fully fit Shami is still India's best bowler.

 

[Titan24]

Maybe reading other posts of mine can answer this, I think.

Bro potential needs to be translated into bit of stats as I have never seen a bowler averaging in late 30s as one of the world's best.

You talked about skill set, I agree he is a good swing bowler with the new ball but doesnt have anything in his skill set to provide break through in the middle overs, he can bowl decent yorkers but has no reverse swing. That is why his average is not that great, to have an average like Wasim, Waqar or for that instance Amir, Junaid you need to take wickets in the end as well as in the middle. If bhuvi doesnt get wickets with the new ball, its highly unlikely he is going to get a wicket in the later half making his average look bad.

Junaid is a seam bowler as I have mentioned in my earlier posts, he is not a swing bowler like amir or andersen, he is more like mcgrath, asif kind of bowler (Not talking about skills here), that is why I rate him pretty highly as a technically good batsman might be able to play a swinging delivery (might not be possible at pace which amir balls but still) but when the bowl seams after pitching nobody can do anything. Further he can reverse swing the old ball as well and thats why his average is pretty good.

If once in a while you get 1 or 2 wickets with new ball and remain empty handed in rest of the matches how can you expect to have a good average.

So if there any skill which bhuvi has got and I missed please feel free to share.

 

[Titan24]

The problem with Indian bowling attack is that all of their bowlers are limited to certain extents,

Bhuvi good with new ball but pretty average with a slightly older ball (has improved but still struggles to get wickets in the middle),

Bumrah doesnt possess anything with the new ball or even in the middle other than his awkward action, good at death though.

Yadav is also pretty average in the death overs, can swing the new ball and can generate some pace. Not a complete bowler at all.

Shami to me is India's best bowler. Guy has everything you want in a bowler, can seam the new ball, can generate pace, bowl a good bouncer, changes angles nicely, and is good with reverse swing along with good yorkers.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

juni for the most part of his career shared the new ball with anwar ali, who IMO is the worst new ball bowler world has ever seen.

Okay, both had average, or rubbish if you will, bowling partners. One bowled on decent tracks while the other played on the flattest tracks in the world. One regressed while the other progressed.

Also, Junaid has had decent help from the likes of Irfan and Ajmal for a good amount of time whereas Bhuvi has had to play with mediocre bowlers (God knows how they suddenly turn up as a good bowling unit in ICC events).

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Bro potential needs to be translated into bit of stats as I have never seen a bowler averaging in late 30s as one of the world's best.

You talked about skill set, I agree he is a good swing bowler with the new ball but doesnt have anything in his skill set to provide break through in the middle overs, he can bowl decent yorkers but has no reverse swing. That is why his average is not that great, to have an average like Wasim, Waqar or for that instance Amir, Junaid you need to take wickets in the end as well as in the middle. If bhuvi doesnt get wickets with the new ball, its highly unlikely he is going to get a wicket in the later half making his average look bad.

Junaid is a seam bowler as I have mentioned in my earlier posts, he is not a swing bowler like amir or andersen, he is more like mcgrath, asif kind of bowler (Not talking about skills here), that is why I rate him pretty highly as a technically good batsman might be able to play a swinging delivery (might not be possible at pace which amir balls but still) but when the bowl seams after pitching nobody can do anything. Further he can reverse swing the old ball as well and thats why his average is pretty good.

If once in a while you get 1 or 2 wickets with new ball and remain empty handed in rest of the matches how can you expect to have a good average.

So if there any skill which bhuvi has got and I missed please feel free to share.

Pretty good post, I get your point.

The point I am trying to make is that Junaid has regressed and isn't a bowler whom you would want to trust as a spearhead. He is a top-class foil for the likes of Amir and Hasan and I would trust him to be effective with them; but no, I wouldn't want him to lead my attack.

Bhuvi has improved and is a very good modern-day bowler. His problem? Well, the fact that he plays on roads majority of the time. He also isn't a great choice to lead your attack due to his timid personality but yeah, I would prefer him over Junaid.

 

[hamaadqureshi819]

Okay, both had average, or rubbish if you will, bowling partners. One bowled on decent tracks while the other played on the flattest tracks in the world. One regressed while the other progressed.

Also, Junaid has had decent help from the likes of Irfan and Ajmal for a good amount of time whereas Bhuvi has had to play with mediocre bowlers (God knows how they suddenly turn up as a good bowling unit in ICC events).

so according to u lankan and dubai tracks are decent bowling tracks.
man fainkne ki b hadd hoti h

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

so according to u lankan and dubai tracks are decent bowling tracks.
man fainkne ki b hadd hoti h

Okay, if you disagree with this, then we can end the discussion right here.

 

[Mamoon]

Bhuvneshwar is far better than Junaid and Wahab.

 

[The Googly]

Bhuvneshwar is far better than Junaid and Wahab.

In ODIs - Bhuvi >>>> Wahab.

In ODIS - Bhuvi and Junaid at his BEST are equal.

In TESTS - Wahab >>>> Bhuvi. Bhuvi in tests outside India would be ineffective. Wahab does provide that extra pace in tests and this has led to some crucial wickets on flat wickets. Bhuvi on a flat wicket in UAE or at the Oval in a test match would not be better then Wahab.

 

[Syed1]

Lol at the people putting Bhuv ahead of Junaid. )