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Ravi Ashwin - First Spinner to take 200+ wickets at an average under 25 with strike rate below 50

If he was Pakistani we'd be jumping up and down. Because he's Indian, his achievements will be downplayed.
 
zayn said:
If he was Pakistani we'd be jumping up and down. Because he's Indian, his achievements will be downplayed.
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only if yasir could have played on such rank turners, then you would have knew the exact worth of these stats, in test as of Now Yasir still ahead even though not by much, but without similar kind of away performance Ashwin's repute as home track bully will remain, in ODIs i admit Ashwin is way ahead of Yasir, and second only to another Ex Pakistani Tahir.
 
Well done..but:

Almost 75% of his wickets have come in India. He needs to improve overseas.
 
I know its useless because the burn will not stop but Ashwin has played only 39 tests.So long time for him.
 
cricketjoshila said:
I know its useless because the burn will not stop but Ashwin has played only 39 tests.So long time for him.
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Do you really think he'll hold up in conditions where the ball won't move an inch?

Off spinners have little chance in countries Aus, NZ and SA.

Leggies and SLA's might trouble RHB with the ball going away from the batsmen. But offies are no chance, the little turn they get comes right into the hitting arc.
 
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Good achievement.

He is a super force in Asia for his huge IMPACT more than stats. The amount of times he grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck and helped India push forward in this series was incredible really.

Hopefully will do well overseas.

That will define his legacy but that doesn't mean what he did in Asia should be undermined.

He strikes FAST, strikes BIG and POUNDS oppositions to submission almost every single innings.
 
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Aman said:
Do you really think he'll hold up in conditions where the ball won't move an inch?

Off spinners have little chance in countries Aus, NZ and SA.

Leggies and SLA's might trouble RHB with the ball going away from the batsmen. But offies are no chance, the little turn they get comes right into the hitting arc.
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Wait, so you yourself say that off spinners have no chance on the roads in Aus, NZ and SA, but still slag him off saying that he is overrated because he cannot perform there. What is he supposed to do then to gain credit lmao..

I think you aren't unhappy because of his record, looks like you don't like him period lol.:yk
 
Let's stop arguing and appreciate this really special player. Well done Ashwin. :bow:
 
Ashwin will stop the criticism when he wins India matches in South Africa, England and Australia or atleast takes 7-8 wickets in a match
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Good achievement.

He is a super force in Asia for his huge IMPACT more than stats. The amount of times he grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck and helped India push forward in this series was incredible really.

Hopefully will do well overseas.

That will define his legacy but that doesn't mean what he did in Asia should be undermined.

He strikes FAST, strikes BIG and POUNDS oppositions to submission almost every single innings.
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yep and he seems to have improved on drifting the ball.
 
Ashwin has played 10 innings in Australia, 2 in England and 2 in South Africa. How is that nearly enough sample size to call Ashwin a bad bowler outside Asia?
 
Slog said:
How many in Australia

I believe he talked about home country or home continent so don't see how you can include England in that statistic lol
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the stat is there in that post ... 2nd line 65%

Infact Ashwin has already played more tests than Lillee outside Asia. (As compared Lillee in Asia + WI )

Ashwin has played 26 of his 39 Tests in Asia which is 66.6% .
 
Congratulations, he is the world's best spinner at the moment. I remember when Bhajji faked an injury, Ashwin kept bowling. He is already a legend.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Ashwin has played only 39 tests.

YK has played over 100 and still 71% runs in Asia.

And its funny how posters try to bag players from India but cant take similar points about their own players.
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What Slog is saying is that Ashwin needs some kind of performance in Aus, SA, Eng or NZ.

If he has that, it doesn't matter if he has 70% or 80% of wickets in Asia.
 
Of course, Ashwin won't be called an ATG or legendary bowler unless he wins some games outside ASIA vs England, SA or Aus and take a few 5-fers.

But let him play good amount of games there.Till then we should appreciate his performance in Asia and the fact that he already has delivered lots of match-defining and series defining performances.

He knows how to lead the bowling attack when pacers aren't able to take wickets and has created trouble particularly against the best batsmen in the team.
 
Class bowler. Some good performances away from home and he can go down as an atg. He's neatly impossible to stop in Asia.
 
street cricketer said:
Wait, so you yourself say that off spinners have no chance on the roads in Aus, NZ and SA, but still slag him off saying that he is overrated because he cannot perform there. What is he supposed to do then to gain credit lmao..

I think you aren't unhappy because of his record, looks like you don't like him period lol.:yk
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Considering the conditions, a decent record of around 30 would suffice and the odd 5fer would help his case. Both are possible.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
Ashwin has played only 39 tests.

YK has played over 100 and still 71% runs in Asia.

And its funny how posters try to bag players from India but cant take similar points about their own players.
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My friend . . . let's look at the facts in full then shall we?

Younis Khan averages 51 in England
Younis Khan averages 43 in Australia
Younis Khan averages 65 in New Zealand
Younis Khan averages 33 in South Africa

Younis Khan has played 63 away tests (by away I mean not in Pakistan and UAE) . . and averages 52

So let's not target legends of the game . .

Ashwin is a fantastic bowler . . Whoever questions that can go and look at his record
Ashwin hasn't performed well enough in England and Australia .. we can also look at that record

He averages 55 in Australia
He averages 34 in England
He has played 1 test match in South Africa where he didn't take a wicket
He hasn't played in New Zealand

But we all know that Ashwin has improved a lot in the last 2 years or so and there is every likelihood that he will do well when he travels to those countries again . .

But for now . . these are the facts . .
 
angrypathan said:
68% of his matches have also been in Asia. If anything that shows that Younis Khan has been a rather good player outside of Asia, where he averages 45.61 in 35 games, statistics better than many Asian ATGs
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81% of Ashwin's innings have been in Asia or WI.

Quick note about the bolded, Younis averages 42 outside Asia over 30 matches against Aus/NZ/Eng/SA/WI. That is behind all of the Asian ATGs. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting

I know that it isn't related to the topic, but just wanted to point that out.
 
Those bashing Ashwin need to realize that almost all his away matches have been on the deadest Aussie tracks. Let's bash Ashwin after a spinner actually performs well on those battas.

Besides, Ashwin has improved rapidly on all kinds of surfaces, so he will surely do better now.
 
angrypathan said:
68% of his matches have also been in Asia. If anything that shows that Younis Khan has been a rather good player outside of Asia, where he averages 45.61 in 35 games, statistics better than many Asian ATGs
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And any idea how many matches for Ashwin outside Asia?
 
He is bowling really well. Lots of spinners bowl in same conditions and they don't get so many 5-fers.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Those bashing Ashwin need to realize that almost all his away matches have been on the deadest Aussie tracks. Let's bash Ashwin after a spinner actually performs well on those battas.

Besides, Ashwin has improved rapidly on all kinds of surfaces, so he will surely do better now.
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I fail to understand why it is so difficult to say "Congratulations Ashwin, well done mate"

Everything in India-Pakistan becomes izzat ka mamla
 
I watched him bowl in the last inning and he has certainly improved. He used to try too many things earlier and now he sticks to classical spinners setting up batsmen.

I think he may have played similar % of tests in Asia when you compared with his % of wickets in Asia. One of the best offie, Murali was utterly useless in Aus and India. So Ashwin could be useless in 2-3 countries and still contribute a lot for his team. When all said and done, he is winning games for his country consistently. That's what matters.
 
Buffet said:
I watched him bowl in the last inning and he has certainly improved. He used to try too many things earlier and now he sticks to classical spinners setting up batsmen.

I think he may have played similar % of tests in Asia when you compared with his % of wickets in Asia. One of the best offie, Murali was utterly useless in Aus and India. So Ashwin could be useless in 2-3 countries and still contribute a lot for his team. When all said and done, he is winning games for his country consistently. That's what matters.
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Top post. If Murali is allowed to be terrible in 2 countries , then folks should get off Ashwin's back as well. He's doing pretty well for a classical offie.
 
Aman said:
Considering the conditions, a decent record of around 30 would suffice and the odd 5fer would help his case. Both are possible.
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Think that is a fair expectation and very much possible. Maybe not in all countries but definitely in 2 or 3. Even Murali and Warne were poor in one or two countries.
 
Ashwin is very special and even 3 wickets per match outside Asia will take hi enter the list of an ATG easily
 
Very few teams in the world play spin well. India, Pakistan and maybe SA can play spinners with ease, the rest are poor vs spin.
 
There is no need for mudslinging toward a fantastic cricketer like younis, on topic Ashwin has been great in last year and a half and got wickets on dead track of Bangladesh, WI and this series. As a allrounder he may be the second best in Asia( test matches played in Asia) of all time( Imran Khan being first).
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Top post. If Murali is allowed to be terrible in 2 countries , then folks should get off Ashwin's back as well. He's doing pretty well for a classical offie.
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Murali failed against the best spin playing nation India and even Aus had very good players of spin in their team. Ash won't face such great spin playing teams.

Murali still has an away avg of 27.

But again nobody is claiming Ash to be anywhere near Murali. Murali is a top tier ATG bowler while the claim made is whether Ash has potential to become an ATG.

Certainly, he can if he wins few games particularly in Eng and SA where there is some assistance for spinners on 4th or 5th day of the match.
 
More than the stats....what is shocking is that for the FIRST TIME in my life, I am seeing Indian fans getting behind a bowler more than a batsman and chanting his name in the stadium.

Indore had even fans wearing shirts with his pics and stats. The twitter is abuzz with fans gushing about him.

Maybe Kapil may have had this level of fan following for his bowling (dunno...never watched him live). Also dunno if his aggressive batting was a part of the reason for it. Apart from him, I don't see this kind of following for anyone. Not even Kumble got this much hype.

If Ashwin ends up inspiring a generation of kids to look at bowling as an exciting thing...it would be great for India in the long run. I know its hard cos if the legendary Kapil couldn't spark a revolution, what chance does Ashwin have? But then the way Ashwin demolishes opponents, I don't think Indian fans have ever witnessed it before from their team. This level of destruction is really new for Indians.

With easier pitches, we can throw away Ashwin's averages, SR and all that...but the fact remains that he has got more wickets/game at home than any of our spinner from the past (that's something which can be compared across any era). And he had to share his wickets with a formidable bowler in Jaddu and sometimes with Mishra too.

Maybe....just maybe this sparks a revolution (not in terms of spinners but the view that bowling can be more cooler than batting).

Would help us a great deal.

Already Ashwin has a semi fan in the squad. Jayant Yadav whose inspiration was Swann and Ashwin.

Let's see if this changes the way we look at bowling. That's an area we have been struggling for decades.

If Ashwin does perform overseas, it would go a LONG LONG LONG way for our bowling prospects in the future I feel.
 
cricketjoshila said:
YK is not a legend.A world class player yes.




But despite all this YK has scored 71% of runs in Asia.And he has played 100 plus tests.

Ashwin has played only 39 and has close to 80% wickets in Asia.
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by that logic if ashwin take 500 test wickets and 70 % of those are in asia than we should also not

considered him a legend but just a very good bowler
 
Ashwin needs one great series in Aus or England or SA.

Aus is impossible to conquer for Ashwin. SA pitches are pathetic for spinners.

My bet is in England. Ashwin should have a great series the next time he tours England.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
More than the stats....what is shocking is that for the FIRST TIME in my life, I am seeing Indian fans getting behind a bowler more than a batsman and chanting his name in the stadium.

Indore had even fans wearing shirts with his pics and stats. The twitter is abuzz with fans gushing about him.

Maybe Kapil may have had this level of fan following for his bowling (dunno...never watched him live). Also dunno if his aggressive batting was a part of the reason for it. Apart from him, I don't see this kind of following for anyone. Not even Kumble got this much hype.

If Ashwin ends up inspiring a generation of kids to look at bowling as an exciting thing...it would be great for India in the long run. I know its hard cos if the legendary Kapil couldn't spark a revolution, what chance does Ashwin have? But then the way Ashwin demolishes opponents, I don't think Indian fans have ever witnessed it before from their team. This level of destruction is really new for Indians.

With easier pitches, we can throw away Ashwin's averages, SR and all that...but the fact remains that he has got more wickets/game at home than any of our spinner from the past (that's something which can be compared across any era). And he had to share his wickets with a formidable bowler in Jaddu and sometimes with Mishra too.

Maybe....just maybe this sparks a revolution (not in terms of spinners but the view that bowling can be more cooler than batting).

Would help us a great deal.

Already Ashwin has a semi fan in the squad. Jayant Yadav whose inspiration was Swann and Ashwin.

Let's see if this changes the way we look at bowling. That's an area we have been struggling for decades.

If Ashwin does perform overseas, it would go a LONG LONG LONG way for our bowling prospects in the future I feel.
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but ajmal spin didnt inspire anyone,,we dont have off spinner in the line up....strange but true......he was for a span of 4 to 5 years though but i just cant get it that wy we dont have good offie in domestic.....can u explain it..may be chucking ruined it for us as the youngster have fear to copy him...
 
DRsohail said:
but ajmal spin didnt inspire anyone,,we dont have off spinner in the line up....strange but true......he was for a span of 4 to 5 years though but i just cant get it that wy we dont have good offie in domestic.....can u explain it..may be chucking ruined it for us as the youngster have fear to copy him...
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Pakistan have some incredible role models for bowling.

But India have very limited role models for bowling.

And bowling is mostly looked like a thing where you "somehow" get 20 wickets to win. Never like "we are going to smash the opposition and take 20 wickets".

So it kinda is a different situation.
 
Can't deny he is bowling on helpful conditions but what also shouldn't be denied out of inferiority complex is he is bowling bloody well too.. track was anything but rank turner in the 1st inning but he got a drift unusual for a finger spinner

Yasir would do great on these tracks probably but then again the averages of Pakistani batsmen would suffer (look at the averages of hafeez, shehazad etc in UAE) so can't really have it both ways. And don't worry he will have a chance to inflate his average in UAE against opponent much weaker than what India has been playing recently
 
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cricketjoshila said:
Ashwin has played only 39 tests.

YK has played over 100 and still 71% runs in Asia.

And its funny how posters try to bag players from India but cant take similar points about their own players.
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Man your understanding is really poor

Sif Bhai has explained it in the next post. Maybe you would try to understand a post of your fellow Indian because whenever there's a post from a Pakistani you immediately go in defensive for some reason and don't even try to understand the argument
 
Congratulations to R Ashwin, kya yaad rakhoge, despite the batsmen being inept against spin, this is a good achievement.
 
He does seem like an improved bowler but he needs to perform well outside India. He should do well in England and even Australia where he should be able to extrapolate extra bounce.
 
Very good bowler but has yet to prove himself outside of his comfort zone. Whether that be against a strong batting lineup capable of handling spin or alien conditions. That is the mark of a truly world class player.
 
Damn... Ashwin is so annoying! These are remarkable stats; absolutely incredible how well he's doing. He's one of those Dhoni-type of players. At the end of the day, he just gets the job done for his team. Can you even imagine where India would be if it were not for him? MVP of India for last 3 years.
 
Fantastic stats! Ashwin is a brilliant bowler in asian conditions
 
zayn said:
If he was Pakistani we'd be jumping up and down. Because he's Indian, his achievements will be downplayed.
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Truth.

Congrats to him. Main reason India are numero uno.

Don't think even England will be able to keep up this time.
 
Aman said:
Off spinners have little chance in countries Aus, NZ and SA.
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Then why do you expect ashwin to have similar stats in those countries? Why didn't NZ spinners take wickets if its so easy to get wickets here? This is the weakest indian team as far as playing spin is concerned. NZ team missed the golden chance of beating india in india because their spinners didn't live upto expectations.
 
Don't believe any finger spinner in the history has been successful in Australia.. Tayfield may be?

You have to be a wrist spinner to be able to extract something out of those wickets. If Ash can average in low 30s there it's good enough for finger spinner. Warne and Murali were taken to cleaners in India and Australia respectively after all (not that I am comparing Ash with Warne)
 
Jeez some people are taking over all threads to display Ashwin's away stats. We get it, he's not done well in countries like SA, Aus, Eng etc, no one is claiming he has.

This thread is about him getting 200 wickets at a remarkable average and S/R for a spinner, no matter where he bowled or against whom. IT IS A REMARKABLE ACHIEVEMENT whether you like it or not.

So stop spamming every threads with his away stats and derailing the discussion, please.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Jeez some people are taking over all threads to display Ashwin's away stats. We get it, he's not done well in countries like SA, Aus, Eng etc, no one is claiming he has.

This thread is about him getting 200 wickets at a remarkable average and S/R for a spinner, no matter where he bowled or against whom. IT IS A REMARKABLE ACHIEVEMENT whether you like it or not.

So stop spamming every threads with his away stats and derailing the discussion, please.
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Away performance is important but yes I agree no one should discount his performances in Asian conditions. It's a very good achievement!
 
Chrish said:
Don't believe any finger spinner in the history has been successful in Australia.. Tayfield may be?

You have to be a wrist spinner to be able to extract something out of those wickets. If Ash can average in low 30s there it's good enough for finger spinner. Warne and Murali were taken to cleaners in India and Australia respectively after all (not that I am comparing Ash with Warne)
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Lyon has a good record in Australia.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Jeez some people are taking over all threads to display Ashwin's away stats. We get it, he's not done well in countries like SA, Aus, Eng etc, no one is claiming he has.

This thread is about him getting 200 wickets at a remarkable average and S/R for a spinner, no matter where he bowled or against whom. IT IS A REMARKABLE ACHIEVEMENT whether you like it or not.

So stop spamming every threads with his away stats and derailing the discussion, please.
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Don't think anyone is saying that it's not a good achievement. But exactly how good an achievement this is is based on and is directly related to other players' records, and so, you've to take into consideration factors like home turners and even current generation of batsmen's ability vs spin. Looking at stats, you can't come to a conclusion based on just numbers. In this case, it's abundantly clear why.
 
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Anfield said:
Lyon has a good record in Australia.
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Still averages 30+.. Anyways I meant to include players who have retired.

Laker (4 tests) and Tayfield (5 tests) are the two finger spinners I can think of who average below 30 in Australia
 
When Australian and Kiwi fast bowlers destroy batsmen at home and choke abroad, they are excused because they are bowling in "flat pitches". When a spinner does the same, he is questioned of being a home track bully.
 
Thivagar said:
When Australian and Kiwi fast bowlers destroy batsmen at home and choke abroad, they are excused because they are bowling in "flat pitches". When a spinner does the same, he is questioned of being a home track bully.
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Andersen gets abused and ridiculed all the time.
 
Thivagar said:
When Australian and Kiwi fast bowlers destroy batsmen at home and choke abroad, they are excused because they are bowling in "flat pitches". When a spinner does the same, he is questioned of being a home track bully.
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I don't see that happening with Australian fast bowlers these days.

Australian batsmen are ridiculed for not performing that well away from home. Someone like Warner avgs 60 at home and below 40 away from home.

Not many rate Kiwis that highly barring Williamson.

Anderson is ridiculed for performing much better at home than away.

So it's a pretty fair argument if one ridicule a player for his struggle away from home.

However, in Ashwin case, it would be fair to wait and let him play enough games there before ridiculing him.

Of course, arguing for that matter is not wrong but at least appreciate his single handed demolition in home conditions.
 
Only because no other spinner has managed to play as many matches he has, on pitches tailor-made for spinners. Not to mention the healthy percentage of rank-turners that he has been blessed with.

Imagine guys like Saqi, Kumble, Bhajjan, Kaneria, Ajmal, Swann, Herath and Shah on these farcical pitches. We'd have sub-25 averaging spinners everywhere. Almost all of these guys were better spinners than Ash.

Ashwin is nowhere near as good as his stats suggest.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Jeez some people are taking over all threads to display Ashwin's away stats. We get it, he's not done well in countries like SA, Aus, Eng etc, no one is claiming he has.

This thread is about him getting 200 wickets at a remarkable average and S/R for a spinner, no matter where he bowled or against whom. IT IS A REMARKABLE ACHIEVEMENT whether you like it or not.

So stop spamming every threads with his away stats and derailing the discussion, please.
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Exactly !!. Thanks.

BTW how come none of the Bowlers from Uncovered Wkt era have these kind of stats ? Every time there is a discussion about older era players we get told how impossible it was to bat on those minefields .... well the stats don't reflect that do they ?

Also nobody is close to him in Asia.


Stats In Asia :

Sorted By Avg:
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Bilal7 said:
Only because no other spinner has managed to play as many matches he has, on pitches tailor-made for spinners. Not to mention the healthy percentage of rank-turners that he has been blessed with.

Imagine guys like Saqi, Kumble, Bhajjan, Kaneria, Ajmal, Swann, Herath and Shah on these farcical pitches. We'd have sub-25 averaging spinners everywhere. Almost all of these guys were better spinners than Ash.

Ashwin is nowhere near as good as his stats suggest.
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So UAE pitches are not tailor made for spinners? After winning series after series in UAE you have some gall to say this, lol. Sounds just like sour grapes
 
Bilal7 said:
Only because no other spinner has managed to play as many matches he has, on pitches tailor-made for spinners. Not to mention the healthy percentage of rank-turners that he has been blessed with.

Imagine guys like Saqi, Kumble, Bhajjan, Kaneria, Ajmal, Swann, Herath and Shah on these farcical pitches. We'd have sub-25 averaging spinners everywhere. Almost all of these guys were better spinners than Ash.

Ashwin is nowhere near as good as his stats suggest.
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Outbowled Herath IN SL on the same pitches :

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/sri-l...most_wickets_career.html?id=10249;type=series

In matches where Harbhajan and Ashwin both played in the match (Twice as good as Harbhajan):
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Whats the next excuse ?
 
Tusker said:
Outbowled Herath IN SL on the same pitches :

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/sri-l...most_wickets_career.html?id=10249;type=series

In matches where Harbhajan and Ashwin both played in the match (Twice as good as Harbhajan):
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...nvolve_type=all;template=results;type=bowling

Whats the next excuse ?
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Both Herath and Bhajjan were over the hill. Not an excuse, but a fact. If Ashwin was better than Herath, he would have some sort of impact overseas like the Sri Lanka has.

Indiafan said:
So UAE pitches are not tailor made for spinners? After winning series after series in UAE you have some gall to say this, lol. Sounds just like sour grapes
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Just because we win, the pitches are "tailor-made" for spin? Guess English pitches are the same since we did well there.

UAE pitches are pretty flat for the first three days and then start turning on days four and five. Even then, the turn is slow and many a times, they don't turn until the last day.

If you would watch a few of our recent matches, you'd know this instead of making ridiculous connections.
 
Bilal7 said:
Both Herath and Bhajjan were over the hill. Not an excuse, but a fact. If Ashwin was better than Herath, he would have some sort of impact overseas like the Sri Lanka has.
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Herath Over the Hill ? He just ran thru Aussies a month ago ... let me guess Aussies are minnows ? :)))


Just because we win, the pitches are "tailor-made" for spin? Guess English pitches are the same since we did well there.

UAE pitches are pretty flat for the first three days and then start turning on days four and five. Even then, the turn is slow and many a times, they don't turn until the last day.

If you would watch a few of our recent matches, you'd know this instead of making ridiculous connections.
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Did you even watch the Ind-NZ series ? No pitch that is a rank-turner allows batting teams to score in excess of 300 regularly like India did. In the 2nd Test fast bowlers took majority of the Wkts.
 
Bilal7 said:
Both Herath and Bhajjan were over the hill. Not an excuse, but a fact. If Ashwin was better than Herath, he would have some sort of impact overseas like the Sri Lanka has.
y.
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Atleast let Ashwin play enough games before making claims that he doesn't have any sort of impact overseas unlike Herath.

Ashwin already has more series defining performances than Herath in Asia and Ash is yet to reach halfway to his career.

Herath hasn't done well outside SL in Asian conditions either.

You can't simply look at Herath record in SA and Aus and without going into context claim that Herath is better than Ash unless of course you consider Herath longevity in consideration. But then he is definitely ahead of Shah too.
 
Wow Bilal has turned so bitter. Sad really. Yes, he always had his topics where he indulged a bit more but seriously this? Hehe.

Imagine guys like Saqi, Kumble, Bhajjan, Kaneria, Ajmal, Swann, Herath and Shah on these farcical pitches. We'd have sub-25 averaging spinners everywhere. Almost all of these guys were better spinners than Ash.
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Farcical pitches?

He was the one who kept claiming Ashwin gets his wickets cos pitches in India are too easy all this time. Well in this series, NZ spinners averaged 50+ and Ash averaged 17 at a SR of 32 (the next best spinner averaged 24@62).

Must commend him for the guts and confidence to keep stating his views in the face it being proven wrong.

The only thing right about his comment is that Ashwin is NOT as good as his stats suggest. That is true due to lesser overseas tours, current era, etc....but what if Ashwin does end up doing decently overseas and keeps killing it in Asia? No worries......Bilal will figure out a way to spin even that. :yk
 
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Not a fan of Ashwin because of his personality as is the case with many Indian players, but clearly, Ashwin > Yasir. Not knowing the pitch, I'd rather face Yasir Shah than Ashwin any day, and that's true for any format.

Ashwin is obviously better than Bhaji, who was hardly anything special. That's not even a contest.

Would rather bat vs Ashwin than Herath away from subcontinent and avoid Ashwin in SC.

Seems like the Indians posters are overrating Ashwin and the Pak posters are underrating him. How unsurprising. :D
 
I don't rate him, just as I don't rate Tahir, Piedt and Hammer as Test bowlers.
I don't agree with the narrative that off spinners can't do nothing in SA, Eng & NZ. Swann has done relatively well. He even had a few effective innings in Australia, which is incredible for an orthodox off spinner.
He's the best spin bowler after Warne, key word being bowler. Even rate him ahead of Kumble, who's way ahead of Ashwin despite stats.
 
Here is the thing i don't understand about rating Warne as the best spinner at times considering the logic going around.

Warne got somewhat favorable spin conditions in India and he was useless against us,averaged even worse when India toured Aus.

In the logic that is being applied nowadays Warne probably jacked up numbers against players who can't play spin.
 
Tigers fan said:
Not a fan of Ashwin because of his personality as is the case with many Indian players, but clearly, Ashwin > Yasir. Not knowing the pitch, I'd rather face Yasir Shah than Ashwin any day, and that's true for any format.

Ashwin is obviously better than Bhaji, who was hardly anything special. That's not even a contest.

Would rather bat vs Ashwin than Herath away from subcontinent and avoid Ashwin in SC.

Seems like the Indians posters are overrating Ashwin and the Pak posters are underrating him. How unsurprising. :D
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What personality?
 
Tusker said:
Herath Over the Hill ? He just ran thru Aussies a month ago ... let me guess Aussies are minnows ? :)))




Did you even watch the Ind-NZ series ? No pitch that is a rank-turner allows batting teams to score in excess of 300 regularly like India did. In the 2nd Test fast bowlers took majority of the Wkts.
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Yes, and in case you didn't know, even players past their prime perform well occasionally but the consistency is gone. This would be like me saying that KP and Cook were/are better batsmen than Sachin because they outbatted him in the last test series they competed in.

That burns, doesn't it? :sachin

The first two matches of this series were a turner and then a pitch that was supportive of both pace and spin. Just like in the series against South Africa, India had no problems preparing a flatter pitch for the dead rubber but even then, Ashwin had the best of conditions to bowl in (day 3 onwards).

Ab Fan said:
Atleast let Ashwin play enough games before making claims that he doesn't have any sort of impact overseas unlike Herath.

Ashwin already has more series defining performances than Herath in Asia and Ash is yet to reach halfway to his career.

Herath hasn't done well outside SL in Asian conditions either.

You can't simply look at Herath record in SA and Aus and without going into context claim that Herath is better than Ash unless of course you consider Herath longevity in consideration. But then he is definitely ahead of Shah too.
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Herath has his flaws for sure, which player doesn't? However, he's a proven performer in all conditions unlike Ashwin who keeps playing the same exact tune every single time and is being hailed as a great musician (probably not the best analogy).
 
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