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He has 8 games left to get another 46 wickets. Possible but a slight dip in form even for a game he might very well miss out on the record.

It will keep getting harder and harder later as Murli was imperious later in his career.
 
Someone told me more than 80% of his wickets are on home/Asia? and his away record is one of the worst?

Can someone dig up the numbers.
 
Hawkeye said:
Someone told me more than 80% of his wickets are on home/Asia? and his away record is one of the worst?

Can someone dig up the numbers.
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He played 1 match in sa, 2 in eng, 7 in aus. His numbers at this stage are better than murali, yasir in aus and in eng he has better average than yasir and comparable to murali.
 
Hawkeye said:
Someone told me more than 80% of his wickets are on home/Asia? and his away record is one of the worst?

Can someone dig up the numbers.
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Averages outside Asia:

Aus - 54 (6 tests)
Eng - 33 (2 tests)
SA - wicketless (1 test)
WI - 23 (4 tests)

Barring Aus and WI, Ashwin bowled got to bowl "properly" in just 2 innings (1 in Eng and 1 in SA). Went wicketless in SA and took 3 wickets in that Eng innings.
 
On his way to becoming an ATG. Easily the best spinner in the world.
 
Hawkeye said:
Someone told me more than 80% of his wickets are on home/Asia? and his away record is one of the worst?

Can someone dig up the numbers.
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75% of the innings he bowled at were in Asia. As for his away record, it is bad because most of his away matches have been on Australian pitches that have mentally scarred quite a lot of spinners in recent times.
 
46 wickets in 8 games is not that big a deal for Ashwin if majority of the games are in Asia.

That's just 5.75 wickets per test.

He has been taking wickets at a much better rate in the last 2 years.

After the Aus 2015 tour till NZ series end, Ash picked up 101 wickets in 15 tests. And that included 2 washed out games.

So in reality, he picked up 96 wickets in 13 tests at a rate of 7.3 wickets per completed test.

In the England series, he was poor by his standards where he picked up just 28 wickets in 5 tests at a rate of 5.6 wickets per test. Bad performance in Rajkot and around 7-8 unique catches dropped of proper bats throughout the series contributed to the tally.

So let's see.

India plays 4 tests against Aus in India and 3 tests against SL in SL.

Logically should get there unless he takes a real dip in form.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
He will get there. If he has a crazy aus series he will get atleast 25-30 wickets in that series itself.
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I was just looking at Murali's progression for 100 wickets, Mind Boggling
100= 27 (27)
200 = 42 (15)
300 = 58 (16)
400 = 72 (14)
500 =87 (15)
600 = 101 (14)
700 =113 (12)
800 =133 (20)

I really doubt Ashwin can keep up with Murali for long. :murali
 
Drreddymd said:
Not worse than yasir, murali
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Yasir is bad. So you can't really put his name in front of me cuz I won't defend. :najam

Murali was great.

sensible-indian-fan said:
Averages outside Asia:

Aus - 54 (6 tests)
Eng - 33 (2 tests)
SA - wicketless (1 test)
WI - 23 (4 tests)

Barring Aus and WI, Ashwin bowled got to bowl "properly" in just 2 innings (1 in Eng and 1 in SA). Went wicketless in SA and took 3 wickets in that Eng innings.
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Next series is vs. Aus, he'll probably make the record of highest number of wickets taken in a Test series by any bowler. All time.
 
Hawkeye said:
Next series is vs. Aus, he'll probably make the record of highest number of wickets taken in a Test series by any bowler. All time.
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Can't say for sure. We are hell bent on preparing flatties of late so we may need the help of pacers.
 
Unlike Amla's upcoming record of the fastest man to 7000 ODI runs, Ashwin's record (if he gets there) will be meaningless and completely manufactured. Given the same number of home games on comparable pitches, any spinner would have done just as well, if not better. Yasir already showed this when he almost broke Sydney Barnes record of the fastest bowler to 100 wickets.

He's a great bowler in India and a good one in Asia, but totally devoid of any impact once he's out of his comfort-zone. A pretty poor ODI and T20 bowler as well.

Drreddymd said:
He played 1 match in sa, 2 in eng, 7 in aus. His numbers at this stage are better than murali, yasir in aus and in eng he has better average than yasir and comparable to murali.
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Yasir Shah won two matches in England. Ashwin didn't even win a bag of chips from a vending machine the last time he was in that country. There is absolutely no comparison, Shah outbowled him by a mile in England.

In Australia, Ashwin was the kid who got 30/100 in his exam while Yasir was the kid who got 20/100.

Hawkeye said:
Someone told me more than 80% of his wickets are on home/Asia? and his away record is one of the worst?

Can someone dig up the numbers.
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Absolutely pathetic.
 
Amla's 7,000 ODIs runs were very soft. de Villiers has carried their ODI team over the last 5-6 years and from 2013 onwards, de Kock has been much more impactful than Amla. He is already a better Limited Overs batsman and he hasn't even hit his peak yet.

Ashwin on the other hand has had a massive impact on the Indian team. He is a pure match-winner, who has made India the most dominant and feared team at home. Also won them a series in Sri Lanka, and although he hasn't taken many wickets overseas yet, he hasn't been smashed either.

Ashwin is India's best Test cricketer at the moment and will probably end up as their best ever. A greater cricket than Amla without a doubt.
 
He's performed on flat pitches in India, your just being a biased Pakistan fan if you can't admit that.

No doubt he needs to perform overseas though.
 
Mamoon said:
Amla's 7,000 ODIs runs were very soft. de Villiers has carried their ODI team over the last 5-6 years and from 2013 onwards, de Kock has been much more impactful than Amla. He is already a better Limited Overs batsman and he hasn't even hit his peak yet.

Ashwin on the other hand has had a massive impact on the Indian team. He is a pure match-winner, who has made India the most dominant and feared team at home. Also won them a series in Sri Lanka, and although he hasn't taken many wickets overseas yet, he hasn't been smashed either.

Ashwin is India's best Test cricketer at the moment and will probably end up as their best ever. A greater cricket than Amla without a doubt.
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Don't forget how the pitches become rank turners and green mambas when Amla bats on them, and when Ashwin bowls they become rank turners . :salute
 
Lol an Amla fan saying Ashwins potential record break is meaningless, oh the irony.
 
Hasan123 said:
Don't forget how the pitches become rank turners and green mambas when Amla bats on them, and when Ashwin bowls they become rank turners . :salute
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In addition, the same pitch becomes a road when Kohli bats, but becomes a rank-turner a couple of sessions later when Ashwin bowls, and then it becomes a road again when Kohli arrives at the crease. :salute
 
Mamoon said:
In addition, the same pitch becomes a road when Kohli bats, but becomes a rank-turner a couple of sessions later when Ashwin bowls, and then it becomes a road again when Kohli arrives at the crease. :salute
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Even more funnier is that the opposition batsmen struggle to match Kohli on these "roads", whilst the opposition spinners don't have the impact Ashwin does on the supposed rank turners". :)))
 
Awww someone's at it again :)))

Ashwin's performances in tests is not as good as Amla's performances in ODI?

I guess the whole world is speaking about Amla the ODI batsman right now.

Since Ashwin's debut, India has lost a grand total of 3 tests in Asia. Just 3 in almost 6 years time.

Out of that, 2 came in the fated 2012 series where he was pure garbage. The other loss came in Galle where he took a 10fer. DRS issue and an ATG Chandimal knock denied India the victory.

If you are going to help your team destroy everyone in 75% of the tests, its more than enough. The rest is for all time greatness where the jury is still out reg Ashwin.

As for poor LOI bowler, I guess these are Ashwin's paltry achievements:

ODIs:

Performer in WC 2011 (played an important role in QF win against Aus) - had to make way for a pacer even though he was the 2nd best bowler in that team (long story)
Performer in CT 2013 (including a game changing spell in the final)
Performer in WC 2015
Success in ALL 50 over knockout games he has played till date.

T20s:

Him and Kohli took India to finals in World T20 2014
Him and Bollinger were the architect of CSK win in 2010.
He bettered his performance the next year and helped CSK win the title again in 2011 (killed the finals in 3 balls lol).
Man of the tournament in Champion's League held in SA 2010

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Its always fun responding to Bilal ji's points.

Let Amla ji achieve atleast 50% of what Ash did in LOIs in important games. Hehe.
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Awww someone's at it again :)))

Ashwin's performances in tests is not as good as Amla's performances in ODI?

I guess the whole world is speaking about Amla the ODI batsman right now.

Since Ashwin's debut, India has lost a grand total of 3 tests in Asia. Just 3 in almost 6 years time.

Out of that, 2 came in the fated 2012 series where he was pure garbage. The other loss came in Galle where he took a 10fer. DRS issue and an ATG Chandimal knock denied India the victory.

If you are going to help your team destroy everyone in 75% of the tests, its more than enough. The rest is for all time greatness where the jury is still out reg Ashwin.

As for poor LOI bowler, I guess these are Ashwin's paltry achievements:

ODIs:

Performer in WC 2011 (played an important role in QF win against Aus) - had to make way for a pacer even though he was the 2nd best bowler in that team (long story)
Performer in CT 2013 (including a game changing spell in the final)
Performer in WC 2015
Success in ALL 50 over knockout games he has played till date.

T20s:

Took India to finals in World T20 2014
Him and Bollinger were the architect of CSK win in 2010.
He bettered his performance the next year and helped CSK win the title again in 2011 (killed the finals in 3 balls lol).
Man of the tournament in Champion's League held in SA 2010

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Its always fun responding to Bilal ji's points.

Let Amla ji achieve atleast 50% of what Ash did in LOIs in important games. Hehe.
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Post 19 actually exposed him. Either he gives Ashwin credit or Kohli credit. :)))
 
Ashwin is probably crickets biggest matchwinner right now. When he performs India wins and in India he always performs. India's home streak is mostly due to Ashwin imo. You can criticise that he's not as good away but still no other bowler dominates like he does at home.
 
Call him an Asian/spin bully and its ok.

But he ain't a home bully only.

He averages better in SL and Bangladesh than at home.
 
Also if Ashwin gets 30/100 in Australia, Yasir Shah should get 2/100. Ashwin figures doesn't do justice to the way he bowled. He did a pretty good containing job and the Australian batsmen actually showed some respect to him whereas they smashed Yasir as though he was a park cricket trundler. Going at more than 5 runs an over, he absolutely humiliated me at work. Told everyone that he would pick up a couple of four-fers at least and he did me in like that,
 
Ashwin-Yasir comparison is no longer relevant, the former has left the latter in his dust.

Very soon, it will look like the Kohli-Umar comparison. Ashwin is far ahead.
 
Mamoon and his chamchay need to understand that Ashwin is a massive HTB, with what, 70% of his wickets coming either at home or in conditions similar to his home. Amla on the other hand is all-conditions, all-situation ODI great who doesn't have the luxury of a three year home season.

Amla's record is a genuine, great achievement. Ashwin's record is meaningless because it was solely down to him playing so many games in India/Asia.

Hilarious to compare a guy who averages 50+ with the bat in ODIs, to a guy who averages 32+ with the ball in the same format. In test matches, Amla is an ATG while Ashwin is a HTB.

Ashwin isn't fit to comb Amla's beard.
 
Rotoman said:
Also if Ashwin gets 30/100 in Australia, Yasir Shah should get 2/100. Ashwin figures doesn't do justice to the way he bowled. He did a pretty good containing job and the Australian batsmen actually showed some respect to him whereas they smashed Yasir as though he was a park cricket trundler. Going at more than 5 runs an over, he absolutely humiliated me at work. Told everyone that he would pick up a couple of four-fers at least and he did me in like that,
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Yasir Shah was very good in the first game, but I'm sure you weren't paying attention. A failure is a failure. It is the height of desperation when people even bring up their tours to Australia when both of them failed there.

Yasir though has shown that he's just as good in Sri Lanka and far better in England. The Ashwin bubble will pop next year, when he tours South Africa again, getting figures of 150-0 and then being replaced by Yadav for the rest for the series. Just like old times, eh?
 
Rotoman said:
Ashwin is probably crickets biggest matchwinner right now. When he performs India wins and in India he always performs. India's home streak is mostly due to Ashwin imo. You can criticise that he's not as good away but still no other bowler dominates like he does at home.
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That tells you more about Indian pitches, than Ashwin. I'm not sure what the huge deal is. Bedi and his compatriots, Kumble and Bhajjan have all been great match-winners in India. Jadeja himself has a mind-boggling average in India.

It's clear that any good spinner will rack up incredible numbers in India, if given enough games.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
My bad dude.

That comparison is as bad as Ashwin vs Ajmal.

Legal Ajmal. :))
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Ajmal was always legal and always the better bowler than Ashwin. Dude averaged a full 10 points lower than Ashwin did in ODIs, lol. Legend. :ajmal

Both Yasir and Ashwin are a cut below the previous generation of spinners, Ajmal, Swann and Herath.
 
Ashwin is well on his way to beome India's best bowler ever.

His impact in Asia is unmatchable.Already won more games/series than what others do in their whole career.

I am sure he wil do well in ENg and SA.If he doesnt then its understandable but as of now he is probably the best test cricketer in the world.
 
Bilal7 said:
That tells you more about Indian pitches, than Ashwin. I'm not sure what the huge deal is. Bedi and his compatriots, Kumble and Bhajjan have all been great match-winners in India. Jadeja himself has a mind-boggling average in India.

It's clear that any good spinner will rack up incredible numbers in India, if given enough games.
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LOL, exactly. He must be living it that most of the games are at home for him.
 
Ashwin is great atm, but imo he is overrated.

Lol at some people comparing him to an ATG like Amla.
 
Ab Fan said:
Ashwin is well on his way to beome India's best bowler ever.

His impact in Asia is unmatchable.Already won more games/series than what others do in their whole career.

I am sure he wil do well in ENg and SA.If he doesnt then its understandable but as of now he is probably the best test cricketer in the world.
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What has he won in Asia as a whole, other than that one series against a weak Sri Lanka team? Hasn't played Pakistan.
 
Ab Fan said:
Ashwin is well on his way to beome India's best bowler ever.

His impact in Asia is unmatchable.Already won more games/series than what others do in their whole career.

I am sure he wil do well in ENg and SA.If he doesnt then its understandable but as of now he is probably the best test cricketer in the world.
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Exactly. Don't think amla wins as many matches as Ashwin does it for India. Amla certainly lacks the ability to play impactful innings for his team.


He always gets out when the team needs him the most. We certainly can't compare a bowler like Ashwin who's on his way to become one of the greatest spin bowlers from Asia with someone like Amla(someone who hasn't done anything spectacular till now to be considered as an atg)
 
Bilal7 said:
What has he won in Asia as a whole, other than that one series against a weak Sri Lanka team? Hasn't played Pakistan.
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Has won every series for his team in Asia barring one back in 2012..Not his fault he didn't played Pakistan.
 
Ab Fan said:
Has won every series for his team in Asia barring one back in 2012..Not his fault he didn't played Pakistan.
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Not his fault for sure but if all he has done in Asia till now is HTB-ing and winning one series in Sri Lanka, it really doesn't make him any better than Bedi, Kumble or Bhajjan. Forget about Murali, Saqlain, etc.
 
One thing is clear, Ashwin is the most overrated cricketer in history.
 
Rayyman said:
Ashwin is great atm, but imo he is overrated.

Lol at some people comparing him to an ATG like Amla.
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Indeed. Someone who has performed only in asia is being labelled by indian fans as the best current test cricketer, sounds very very weird.
 
Bilal7 said:
Not his fault for sure but if all he has done in Asia till now is HTB-ing and winning one series in Sri Lanka, it really doesn't make him any better than Bedi, Kumble or Bhajjan. Forget about Murali, Saqlain, etc.
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The only place where he played decent numbers of games outside Asia are WI and Aus.

AUS conditions are graveyard for spinners. Most great spinners have failed there and that includes the likes of Murali and Swann.

In WI, he won his team the series single handedly.

Ashwin has played just 45 tests. So he is yet to give the acid test of performing overseas but his recent home performances gives the assurance of his success in places like Eng and SA. Obviously, if he doesn't perform well there then that's a different thing altogether.

He is already better than Bhajji.Its not even much of a discussion. If he takes a few 5-fers away vs top teams, he will surpass the like of Swann and Kumble too.
 
Most of the Pakistanis will never accept Ashwin as a great bowler. Afridi killed brand Ashwin for the average Pakistani with that six in the Asia cup. This is in addition to the general bias. Comparing Amla who always fails in crunch games to Ashwin an out and out performer under pressure is just ridiculous. Ashwin did a decent job in the AUS test series in AUS. His misfortune was that he couldnt play on the turning pitch in Adelaide. Ashwin is a performer in all three formats, bowls during the power play and during death. He is a good batsmen in tests. He is on par with Kohli as the MVP in the current Indian team. I believe both of them will anser their detractors next year when India tour England. Passionate Pakistani fans will still not accept because of that Afridi six though
 
8 tests 46 wickets needed. Will need to have a massive series vs Aussies. Can he take 25-30 wickets? Looks doable, hopefully we will have spicier wickets with turn and bounce.
 
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Bilal7 said:
Unlike Amla's upcoming record of the fastest man to 7000 ODI runs, Ashwin's record (if he gets there) will be meaningless and completely manufactured. Given the same number of home games on comparable pitches, any spinner would have done just as well, if not better. Yasir already showed this when he almost broke Sydney Barnes record of the fastest bowler to 100 wickets.

He's a great bowler in India and a good one in Asia, but totally devoid of any impact once he's out of his comfort-zone. A pretty poor ODI and T20 bowler as well.



Yasir Shah won two matches in England. Ashwin didn't even win a bag of chips from a vending machine the last time he was in that country. There is absolutely no comparison, Shah outbowled him by a mile in England.

In Australia, Ashwin was the kid who got 30/100 in his exam while Yasir was the kid who got 20/100.



Absolutely pathetic.
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Ouch. Not gonna lie. That post really hurt. But every word you mentioned is a fact, laced with more than slight affection towards Amla and Yasir and deep resent for Ashwin. However, as you said, his figures outside Asia are not good. Hopefully he will give you a chance to re-evaluate him after the next away leg. Till then, I am afraid, you are right!
 
Mamoon said:
Ashwin-Yasir comparison is no longer relevant, the former has left the latter in his dust.

Very soon, it will look like the Kohli-Umar comparison. Ashwin is far ahead.
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Nice attention seeking post

While I think Ashwin is slightly ahead the fact remains he failed in Australia like Yasir did but to a lesser extent

But Yasir won his team a match in England and Ashwin hasn't done that in England or other tough tours such as Aus,SA
 
Ab Fan said:
Ashwin is well on his way to beome India's best bowler ever.

His impact in Asia is unmatchable.Already won more games/series than what others do in their whole career.

I am sure he wil do well in ENg and SA.If he doesnt then its understandable but as of now he is probably the best test cricketer in the world.
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India's best match winner (in tests) though I'd still put Kumble ahead as the better bowler (in tests) atm, people underestimate the kind of batters he bowled to & no DRS, with the latter we'd be even more dominant at home especially when Kumble was at his peak.
 
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Bilal7 said:
That tells you more about Indian pitches, than Ashwin. I'm not sure what the huge deal is. Bedi and his compatriots, Kumble and Bhajjan have all been great match-winners in India. Jadeja himself has a mind-boggling average in India.

It's clear that any good spinner will rack up incredible numbers in India, if given enough games.
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Shane Warne disagrees
 
BTW The next important landmark of fastest to 400 wkts is held by Murali - in 72 Tests. If Ashwin even gets there in under 80 Tests will be a fabulous achievement and will go a long way in him being labelled a ATG.

BTW Murali only took 21 Tests to go from 250 to 400 wkts. Thats 7+ Wkts per test. Incredible.
 
Bilal7 said:
Unlike Amla's upcoming record of the fastest man to 7000 ODI runs, Ashwin's record (if he gets there) will be meaningless and completely manufactured. Given the same number of home games on comparable pitches, any spinner would have done just as well, if not better. Yasir already showed this when he almost broke Sydney Barnes record of the fastest bowler to 100 wickets.

He's a great bowler in India and a good one in Asia, but totally devoid of any impact once he's out of his comfort-zone. A pretty poor ODI and T20 bowler as well.



Yasir Shah won two matches in England. Ashwin didn't even win a bag of chips from a vending machine the last time he was in that country. There is absolutely no comparison, Shah outbowled him by a mile in England.

In Australia, Ashwin was the kid who got 30/100 in his exam while Yasir was the kid who got 20/100.



Absolutely pathetic.
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So if pitches are sooo bowler friendly when Ashwin bowls then Virat Kohli's batting records need to be looked at in a completely different context ..... Right ?


And the reason why you have left out Yasir's failure against WI that too at home where you lost a Test and came close to losing a series to the mighty Windies is ........ ?
 
Ashwin at this point is probably the 2nd most valued test player in the world, just behind Stokes. Surely an ATG in the making, how he performs with the ball outside will depend a lot on our fast bowlers. If you are expecting him to take a 5-fer when the opposition are at something like 180-2 on a day one pitch in overseas test match - not happening.

But definitely good enough now to keep batsmen in check in first inning and utilize whatever there is on offer in 2nd inning. Has come a long LONG way since the Australian tour. And don't put any of his achievements in the also two years down, remember he has dominated each and every opposition most part of the series' in all series - counts for a lot.

Much ahead of other spinners in the game right now, unarguably. :ashwin
 
Ashwin is ahead of Stokes as a test cricketer.

Stokes has been an underachiever with the bat as of now.Obviously, he has got great potential without any doubt.
 
Tusker said:
So if pitches are sooo bowler friendly when Ashwin bowls then Virat Kohli's batting records need to be looked at in a completely different context ..... Right ?


And the reason why you have left out Yasir's failure against WI that too at home where you lost a Test and came close to losing a series to the mighty Windies is ........ ?
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Didn't you know that pitch changes as to whether India is batting or bowling and its not specific to Indian pitches, it applies everywhere in the world. The only time Kohli faced a moving ball in his career is England.
Ashwin only bowls on dustbowl of pitches wherever he goes.
 
Tusker said:
BTW The next important landmark of fastest to 400 wkts is held by Murali - in 72 Tests. If Ashwin even gets there in under 80 Tests will be a fabulous achievement and will go a long way in him being labelled a ATG.

BTW Murali only took 21 Tests to go from 250 to 400 wkts. Thats 7+ Wkts per test. Incredible.
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IF ashwin needs 80 tests for 400 wickets, India would be losing half the matches.
 
Tekcirc said:
IF ashwin needs 80 tests for 400 wickets, India would be losing half the matches.
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Depends on what other bowlers do ... 146 wkts in 35 Tests is not bad at all ... thats more than 4 wkts per test.
 
Slog said:
Nice attention seeking post

While I think Ashwin is slightly ahead the fact remains he failed in Australia like Yasir did but to a lesser extent

But Yasir won his team a match in England and Ashwin hasn't done that in England or other tough tours such as Aus,SA
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Yasir cannot ride on that Lord's Test forever. Ashwin is simply well ahead as a bowler, and he has come a long way in the last 2-3 years. Yasir is comparable or perhaps better than Ashwin of old, but these days, Ashwin is simply the finished article while Yasir looks to have regressed in the last 6 months.

Nonetheless, I expect their careers to go in the opposite direction now. I feel Yasir has had his moment in the sun.
 
Mamoon said:
Yasir cannot ride on that Lord's Test forever. Ashwin is simply well ahead as a bowler, and he has come a long way in the last 2-3 years. Yasir is comparable or perhaps better than Ashwin of old, but these days, Ashwin is simply the finished article while Yasir looks to have regressed in the last 6 months.

Nonetheless, I expect their careers to go in the opposite direction now. I feel Yasir has had his moment in the sun.
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Let's see

But the fact right now is that Ashwin has nothing of note in the major modern test centres outside Asia and WI
 
Slog said:
Let's see

But the fact right now is that Ashwin has nothing of note in the major modern test centres outside Asia and WI
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Yes, but at least he has made India unbeatable at home. Pakistan have lost two Tests with Yasir in the UAE.
 
Bilal7 said:
Ajmal was always legal and always the better bowler than Ashwin. Dude averaged a full 10 points lower than Ashwin did in ODIs, lol. Legend. :ajmal

Both Yasir and Ashwin are a cut below the previous generation of spinners, Ajmal, Swann and Herath.
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This way over the top...Yasir does not even turn the ball, he was badly exposed in southern hemisphere just a month ago....

Ashwin, like Ajmal was first helped by relaxed laws and then by turning pitches and teams that cannot play spin...Swann beat India in India in his last tour, if my memory serves me right, Ashin and Jadeja were both playing that series... I don't think Ashwin was/is better than Swann, and Jedeja is no where near as good as Herath was, forget about Herath, Monty out perform both of them in India...Ajmal, was exposed badly by chucking...

If Ashwin keep on playing 15 test a year in India, he will definitely collect lot of wickets, that too against teams who cannot play spin, lets see what he does on the road...In ODIs and T20s, his graph came down as soon as he has to bowl without straightening in last couple of years ;-)
 
300 Done, the next one is impossible, he plays 90 % of his tests in next 1 year where others including himself has failed again n again.....
 
yasir said:
This way over the top...Yasir does not even turn the ball, he was badly exposed in southern hemisphere just a month ago....

Ashwin, like Ajmal was first helped by relaxed laws and then by turning pitches and teams that cannot play spin...Swann beat India in India in his last tour, if my memory serves me right, Ashin and Jadeja were both playing that series... I don't think Ashwin was/is better than Swann, and Jedeja is no where near as good as Herath was, forget about Herath, Monty out perform both of them in India...Ajmal, was exposed badly by chucking...

If Ashwin keep on playing 15 test a year in India, he will definitely collect lot of wickets, that too against teams who cannot play spin, lets see what he does on the road...In ODIs and T20s, his graph came down as soon as he has to bowl without straightening in last couple of years ;-)
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Unlike Ajmal Ashwin was never called.Ashwin has and had a clean action so lol at bowling without straightening.Ajmal was a chucker and caught chucking and banned from bowling and when he came back he was useless and discarded.Ashwin is still a top 3 test bowler.

Jadeja didnot play versus England in 2012Do not lie please..Ashwin did and his partners were Harbhajan and Ojha.Jadeja is a different quality altogether.Monty is nowhere near.

The same Herath cannot do anything on the same "helpful" pitches where Ashwin is picking a lot of wickets.What happened?

Ashwin has gone past Swann.

Just because Ajmal chucked doesnt mean everyone does.
 
http://www.thehindu.com/sport/crick...to-reach-300-test-wickets/article20959331.ece

Ravichandran Ashwin scalped Lahiru Gamage to reach this milestone in the Nagpur Test against Sri Lanka

Off-spinner Ravichandran Ashwin took 300 wickets in 54 Tests breaking Dennis Lillee's record. Dennis Lillee took 56 matches to reach the milestone.

During the second Test against Sri Lanka, Ravichandran Ashwin scalped the wicket of Lahiru Gamage to reach the milestone. In all, he took eight wickets in the match.

In his 54 matches, he has given away 7520 runs with 7 for 59 being his best. His average is stupendous at 25.30 in 53 Tests.

Lillee, one of the greatest fast bowlers, reached the landmark in 1981 against Pakistan in Brisbane. Sri Lanka offspinner Muttiah Muralitharan is now third, getting there in 58 Tests. Murali is the leading wicket-taker in Tests with 800 wickets.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Unlike Ajmal Ashwin was never called.Ashwin has and had a clean action so lol at bowling without straightening.Ajmal was a chucker and caught chucking and banned from bowling and when he came back he was useless and discarded.Ashwin is still a top 3 test bowler.

Jadeja didnot play versus England in 2012Do not lie please..Ashwin did and his partners were Harbhajan and Ojha.Jadeja is a different quality altogether.Monty is nowhere near.

The same Herath cannot do anything on the same "helpful" pitches where Ashwin is picking a lot of wickets.What happened?

Ashwin has gone past Swann.

Just because Ajmal chucked doesnt mean everyone does.
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Ashwin like many others (Ajmal, Harbajan, Narine etc) was not a clean bowler. Let me put it another way, when you teach kids how to bowl off-spin, you show them Action of Swann not Murli/Ajmal/Ashwin, there is fundamental kink in there action, design to bowl those mystery balls, if you understand Cricket, you could see why those awkward action exists in the first place...There is a reason Murli and all these questionable off spinners don't get universal respect...

Even on those helpful wickets, When Ashwin does not get wickets, he start bowling legspin...Ashwin is already out of ODI team, since under pressure he cannot chuck his way out anymore, that is problem with Narine and Ajmal too...In test, lets see what he does in ENG/SA, can he out perform Swann there?? - I still don't consider him better Off spinner than Swann...He was much cleaner bowler, with beautiful action and was not helped by pitches to perform...
 
cricketjoshila said:
Unlike Ajmal Ashwin was never called.Ashwin has and had a clean action so lol at bowling without straightening.Ajmal was a chucker and caught chucking and banned from bowling and when he came back he was useless and discarded.Ashwin is still a top 3 test bowler.

Jadeja didnot play versus England in 2012Do not lie please..Ashwin did and his partners were Harbhajan and Ojha.Jadeja is a different quality altogether.Monty is nowhere near.

The same Herath cannot do anything on the same "helpful" pitches where Ashwin is picking a lot of wickets.What happened?

Ashwin has gone past Swann.

Just because Ajmal chucked doesnt mean everyone does.
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Jadeja actually made his debut in the 4th Test in Nagpur in that series and got some vital wickets.
 
yasir said:
Ashwin like many others (Ajmal, Harbajan, Narine etc) was not a clean bowler. Let me put it another way, when you teach kids how to bowl off-spin, you show them Action of Swann not Murli/Ajmal/Ashwin, there is fundamental kink in there action, design to bowl those mystery balls, if you understand Cricket, you could see why those awkward action exists in the first place...There is a reason Murli and all these questionable off spinners don't get universal respect...

Even on those helpful wickets, When Ashwin does not get wickets, he start bowling legspin...Ashwin is already out of ODI team, since under pressure he cannot chuck his way out anymore, that is problem with Narine and Ajmal too...In test, lets see what he does in ENG/SA, can he out perform Swann there?? - I still don't consider him better Off spinner than Swann...He was much cleaner bowler, with beautiful action and was not helped by pitches to perform...
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What is your basis of saying Ashwin's action was not clean?Was he ever called? Murali or Ajmal were called and tested.Murali's doosra was banned for a while.Ajmal was caught chucking and was banned.None of this happened.Except for a couple of months where Ashwin openly declared that he will now use his elbow like some others and started copying Narine's action,Ashwin's action is as classical as it gets and no one has ever questioned it except posters on PP.

Ashwin bowl's legspin as a variation and his performance speaks for itself.He is taking wickets by buckets. Ashwin isnt in ODI team as there are the likes of Kuldeep and Chahal who are being groomed as the next line of spinners for India.At 31 years Ashwin needs rest.You have no proof of Ashwin being a chucker.

Why should Swann's home performance in England be compared to Ashwin's in a England?
 
cricketjoshila said:
What is your basis of saying Ashwin's action was not clean?Was he ever called? Murali or Ajmal were called and tested.Murali's doosra was banned for a while.Ajmal was caught chucking and was banned.None of this happened.Except for a couple of months where Ashwin openly declared that he will now use his elbow like some others and started copying Narine's action,Ashwin's action is as classical as it gets and no one has ever questioned it except posters on PP.

Ashwin bowl's legspin as a variation and his performance speaks for itself.He is taking wickets by buckets. Ashwin isnt in ODI team as there are the likes of Kuldeep and Chahal who are being groomed as the next line of spinners for India.At 31 years Ashwin needs rest.You have no proof of Ashwin being a chucker.

Why should Swann's home performance in England be compared to Ashwin's in a England?
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Common excuse - He has the BCCI by his side, hence his action will never be called illegal by an umpire.
 
Outstanding bowler. The best spinner in the world alongside Jadeja.
 
ManFan said:
In helpful conditions. Jadeja is better than Ashwin though in all formats.
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No spinner since Swann has bowled at a high level in non-helpful conditions, but Ashwin is able to bowl tight overs even when he is not taking wickets. That is where Yasir struggles - he was the biggest reason why we got whitewashed in Australia in spite of putting up some very good totals.

On the contrary, Ashwin bowled unfruitful but dry spells in Australia which allowed India to draw a couple of games.

Yasir did well at Lord's and The Oval, but he got some pretty decent wickets. Ashwin will do a fine job if he gets similar pitches next year.

I rather agree on Jadeja - I am undecided over who is better in Tests, but at times I see some magic in Jadeja that I don't in Ashwin. At times, he reminds me of a young Saqlain in some strange way.
 
Mamoon said:
No spinner since Swann has bowled at a high level in non-helpful conditions, but Ashwin is able to bowl tight overs even when he is not taking wickets. That is where Yasir struggles - he was the biggest reason why we got whitewashed in Australia in spite of putting up some very good totals.

On the contrary, Ashwin bowled unfruitful but dry spells in Australia which allowed India to draw a couple of games.

Yasir did well at Lord's and The Oval, but he got some pretty decent wickets. Ashwin will do a fine job if he gets similar pitches next year.

I rather agree on Jadeja - I am undecided over who is better in Tests, but at times I see some magic in Jadeja that I don't in Ashwin. At times, he reminds me of a young Saqlain in some strange way.
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The biggest reason we lost in AUS were
1) Misbah asking Yasir to bowl a leg-stump line and then take the blame in the media
2) An attack of Rahat and IK 2.0 with a rampant no-ball Wahab does not help. Especially when you offer a wide and short ball to be slapped for FOUR every over.
3) a 40+ YK and Misbah ( we fielded two forty year olds when most teams don't field anyone over 35 )
Yasir is a leg-spinner therefore he will go for runs. Even Warne's best bowling figures were 8/71. Off-spinners of all kinds can keep it tight.
 
Very good bowler who is lethal in conditions that suit him.

His real test will be in SA.
 
He has to earn back respect for the rubbish he bowled during the CT final.

Sometimes you get the feeling he gets too clever and 'thinking' for his own good. He is the best spinner in the world but bowls bizarrely at times.

Big :))) at the Pak fans squirming here. If Ajmal with his horrible action had taken all these wickets you guys would have been on your keyboards all week long
 
Will be interesting to see how many wickets he has in India vs rest of the world and also the number of games he's played in India vs rest of the world. If he's played a lot more in India then he's obviously going to reach that milestone quicker than anyone else. Imagine is jimmy anderson only bowled in England and hardly played anywhere else where conditions weren't that favourable to his style of bowling. So for me this record is a bit suspicious but a record nevertheless. He won't be an ATG unless he proves himself in all parts of world including England where other spinners like Sha have been more successful and impactful to the series.
This won't go down well but I'd like to see Ashwin get tested for his action in bowling all of his deliveries - I've noticed he's stopped bowling some of his variations...hmmm wonder why??
 
Here we go. Just done a bit of digging.

So Ash has bowled 1,766 out of 2,606 (85%) of his overs in India

He has 216 out of 300 wickets (72%) of his wickets in India

He bowls on average 52 over per game with an average of 22 in India vs 42 overs per game with an average of 32 abroad

Little comparison to Jimmy Anderson.

Bowled 60% of his overs in England

Had 66% of his wickets in England

Just shows how skewed towards home achievements Ashwins record his - staggering stats
 
savecricket said:
Here we go. Just done a bit of digging.

So Ash has bowled 1,766 out of 2,606 (85%) of his overs in India

He has 216 out of 300 wickets (72%) of his wickets in India

He bowls on average 52 over per game with an average of 22 in India vs 42 overs per game with an average of 32 abroad

Little comparison to Jimmy Anderson.

Bowled 60% of his overs in England

Had 66% of his wickets in England

Just shows how skewed towards home achievements Ashwins record his - staggering stats
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What you forget to note is that Anderson gets to play in pace friendly pitches everywhere except Asia. So thats just 59 out of the 508 wkts in Asia Which brings his % of Wkts in favorable conditions to 88.4% .

Link: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/8608.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling

For Ashwin Non-Asian Wkts tally is 41 wkts out of the total 300. Which makes his fav conditions % to 86.3%
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/26421.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling


Fun fact do the same calculation for Dennis Lillee and see what you get :)
 
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