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Ravichandran Ashwin was foolish to reveal his tricks to Ian Ward: Sunil Gavaskar

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Ravichandran Ashwin has had a couple of dry test matches after starting with a 7-wicket haul in the first one against England.

The first test – which India lost narrowly by 31 runs – was marked by two identical (read magical) deliveries from Ashwin which removed English opener Alastair Cook in both the innings of the match in similar fashion.

But since that tremendous start, Ashwin after toiling mercilessly for a combined 41 overs in the next two test matches, has been able to bag just one wicket.

Yes you heard that right.

India’s spin-cordon head, Ravichandran Ashwin’s form after his 7-wicket opener has dipped to a dismal wicket-less second test at Lord’s and then a one wicket stint at Trent Bridge.

So, why such a performance you ask?

Apparently, it could be due to an interview given by Ashwin to former cricketer and journalist Ian Ward.

In his interview with Ward after the first test match, when asked about how should youngsters go about their techniques, Ashwin not only demonstrated his grips but also revealed his actions for particular deliveries.

Ashwin went onto tell Ian Ward about the deliveries that he had developed over the past 24 months and further gave out a step by step breakdown of his multiple variations.

“This recording will no doubt be used by the England think-tank and especially their batsmen when they sit down before every Test to plan how to counter the Indian bowlers and particularly Ashwin,” wrote Gavaskar in his column with the Sportstar Live.

It was understandable why Gavaskar was not amused by the whole incident.

Indian cricketing legend, Sunil Gavaskar tore into the fiasco and was of the opinion that Ashwin might have gotten carried away by his success after his difficult time in the previous tour of 2014.

While, of course, the theory clicked with quite a few people, some were of the opinion that he had done it deliberately.

But the fact of the matter remains that Ashwin has only picked up one wicket in the last two test matches against England.

In times when technology is used day in and day out to gain tactical advantage over the opponent and players are constantly trying to develop new variations and hide their secrets, Ashwin’s casual chat has been seen by Indian cricket pundits as a case of over-confidence which could eventually end up hurting him and the Indian team during their tour of England.

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https://www.thequint.com/sports/cricket/indian-cricket-team-england-ravichandran-ashwin-reveals-tricks-sunil-gavaskar-ian-ward

Thoughts? I think Ashwin shot himself in the foot by revealing all his secrets.. :ishant
 
I heard this from Gavaskar and Manjrekar on the evening of the victory in the Trent Bridge test.

And agreed with every word.

Day 1 of a series - why would you give such an in-depth interview? Bit of a show-off mentality from Ashwin, probably excited that he took overseas wickets, nothing more.
 
These guys are stuck in the 70’s. England like most teams have a large coaching staff who use the latest technology to analyise bowlers evey trick . England even uses projectors linked to ball machines where batsmen practice against any bowler they wish.

One thing knowing but another thing playing it .
 
These guys are stuck in the 70’s. England like most teams have a large coaching staff who use the latest technology to analyise bowlers evey trick . England even uses projectors linked to ball machines where batsmen practice against any bowler they wish.

One thing knowing but another thing playing it .

Exactly they think if he doesn't tell him with all the cameras they have they won't know a thing plus these people are forgetting the injury ashwin has is the main reason as he is not able to put his body behind his deliveries because of hip strain.
 
Also lords was a green top with no assistance what so ever for spinners
 
Ashwin is way too overrated when it comes to brain power. Multiple times he has shown he lacks it and doesn't have that in abundance. There was one test match against WI where India needed 2 runs to win the match of the last ball with 3 wickets in hand and he didn't even try for the second run, which seemed possible, when in the worst case he would have got out and match would have been a tie, which anyway was the result.

Thing is he seems way too ordinary with flight and pace. Hes in team because he regularly score runs, but just as a bowler he isn't the right pick for test matches outside India and this has been proved multiple times.
 
Agree with what Gavaskar and Manjrekar said.

No matter how many videos england staff watch, its not equal to Ashwin openly showing and explaining his action grip and variation. This was stupid.
 
In hindsight one has to agree with Sunny here.

But hopefully upcoming offies, from all around the world, will benefit from this 'in-depth' interview (which I haven't watched).
 
Surprising stuff from Ashwin.

Saeed Ajmal did a similar interview with Sky a few years ago. I asked him about it and Saeed said "play along with the cameras, but a magician never fully reveals his tricks".
 
Nonsense.

If mystery is all you got, you will be a poor bowler in tests.

These were some new tricks which Ashwin had developed over past 24 months. Obviously the points raised by Sunny are not nonsense. Spinner have to rely on deceiving the batsmen because they dont have the sheer force of nature that a fast bowler enjoys. Pretty surprising from Ashwin, always thought he was smart. Perhaps he didnt showcase all his tricks?
 
These were some new tricks which Ashwin had developed over past 24 months. Obviously the points raised by Sunny are not nonsense. Spinner have to rely on deceiving the batsmen because they dont have the sheer force of nature that a fast bowler enjoys. Pretty surprising from Ashwin, always thought he was smart. Perhaps he didnt showcase all his tricks?

He got carried away for sure but to say this video helped England decode Ashwin is utter nonsense.

Let's look at factual data:

1. Ashwin revealed these tricks after Day 1 of the 1st test.

2. In the same test, he tortured the English bats in the 2nd innings. Stats won't do justice to the way he controlled the innings in the 2nd dig.

3. 2nd test in Lord's. He bowled in only one innings. Gave away 68 runs in 17 overs at 4 rpo. Stats suggest he was thrashed black and blue by English bats. Reality is different. He was creating a bunch of chances on that tough pitch but started bowling a lot of hit me balls towards the end. First 9 overs, he gave away only 25 runs and bowled with threat venom. Then bad balls became much more frequent so even though his good balls were still creating troubles, he was leaking too many runs. The fact that he bowled so many bad balls was HIS fault. He should be blamed for that.

4. 3rd test. First innings 1 over. Created a few problems there. Second innings, he was threatening against Cook during end of play on Day 4. Even Day 5, he looked good even though he wasn't bowling at full tilt. 2 lbw hitting stumps went against him (umpire's call) and quite a few close calls.

This is digging deep and analyzing.

But what do our ex spurts do?

They will look at scorecard. Oh 1 wicket in 2 tests....of course he has been worked out. He shouldn't have revealed it. Yada yada yada. Let's ignore the fact that he bowled in just 2 innings in 2 tests with one of the innings being severely injured.

Where were these complaints after Day 1 of test 1 when he "revealed" all his tricks?

If Ashwin is fit, odds are high that he will run through England atleast one time more.

But life can be funny. There is a chance Ashwin may bowl badly in the remaining tests (will be his fault if that happens) and these ex spurts will end up looking right, even though their theory will be proven false in the long run.
 
Nonsense.

If mystery is all you got, you will be a poor bowler in tests.

If you know the subtle changes in his grip and action when he is going to do a variation then you dont have to worry about the variations and just concentrate on the offie. That makes your job a lot easier.

Ashwin got played there.
 
Disagree with Gavaskar here. I saw the video and it was hilarious because Ashwin ended up confusing them even more. He's way more cunning than people think he is and reminded me of Shane Warne pre-Ashes lying about variations he had up his sleeve.
 
He got carried away for sure but to say this video helped England decode Ashwin is utter nonsense.

Let's look at factual data:

1. Ashwin revealed these tricks after Day 1 of the 1st test.

2. In the same test, he tortured the English bats in the 2nd innings. Stats won't do justice to the way he controlled the innings in the 2nd dig.

3. 2nd test in Lord's. He bowled in only one innings. Gave away 68 runs in 17 overs at 4 rpo. Stats suggest he was thrashed black and blue by English bats. Reality is different. He was creating a bunch of chances on that tough pitch but started bowling a lot of hit me balls towards the end. First 9 overs, he gave away only 25 runs and bowled with threat venom. Then bad balls became much more frequent so even though his good balls were still creating troubles, he was leaking too many runs. The fact that he bowled so many bad balls was HIS fault. He should be blamed for that.

4. 3rd test. First innings 1 over. Created a few problems there. Second innings, he was threatening against Cook during end of play on Day 4. Even Day 5, he looked good even though he wasn't bowling at full tilt. 2 lbw hitting stumps went against him (umpire's call) and quite a few close calls.

This is digging deep and analyzing.

But what do our ex spurts do?

They will look at scorecard. Oh 1 wicket in 2 tests....of course he has been worked out. He shouldn't have revealed it. Yada yada yada. Let's ignore the fact that he bowled in just 2 innings in 2 tests with one of the innings being severely injured.

Where were these complaints after Day 1 of test 1 when he "revealed" all his tricks?

If Ashwin is fit, odds are high that he will run through England atleast one time more.

But life can be funny. There is a chance Ashwin may bowl badly in the remaining tests (will be his fault if that happens) and these ex spurts will end up looking right, even though their theory will be proven false in the long run.

Ofcourse english batsmen wont learn to pick him in the one day between the 1st and 2nd innings. But the 3rd test proved he was less effective.

As a bowler your job is not to make the life easy for the opposition. You do not tell them how to pick your action or grip.
 
Disagree with Gavaskar here. I saw the video and it was hilarious because Ashwin ended up confusing them even more. He's way more cunning than people think he is and reminded me of Shane Warne pre-Ashes lying about variations he had up his sleeve.

Shane warne never showed them how he changed his grip or action.
 
Ofcourse english batsmen wont learn to pick him in the one day between the 1st and 2nd innings. But the 3rd test proved he was less effective.

As a bowler your job is not to make the life easy for the opposition. You do not tell them how to pick your action or grip.

3rd test he couldn't even pivot dude.

Was throwing the ball using his hands using a completely front on action. I thought he would be thrashed but he held his own and even created a few chances.

Yes he shouldn't make it easy for opposition but that is not the same as them working him out.

Plus as pillionrider said, he actually ended up confusing them more.
 
3rd test he couldn't even pivot dude.

Was throwing the ball using his hands using a completely front on action. I thought he would be thrashed but he held his own and even created a few chances.

Yes he shouldn't make it easy for opposition but that is not the same as them working him out.

Plus as pillionrider said, he actually ended up confusing them more.

How do you know what English batsmen picked up from the video? They werent there.

Ashwin told them exactly how his grip and action differs with each variation. Thats stupidity.
 
How do you know what English batsmen picked up from the video? They werent there.

Ashwin told them exactly how his grip and action differs with each variation. Thats stupidity.

They still weren't picking him and he was not even pivoting to get the revs on the ball. If they couldn't hit an injured Ashwin out of the attack on a pitch which had little for the spinners, then I don't think they have picked him at all.
 
How do you know what English batsmen picked up from the video? They werent there.

Ashwin told them exactly how his grip and action differs with each variation. Thats stupidity.

How do you know what English batsmen picked up from the video? They werent there.

Same way..how do we know English batsmen picked up anything from his interview that they hadn't picked up from their video analysis?

During Ian Ward interview, the screen showed Ashwin jamming the ball into his hand for a particular delivery. That's the extent they have been tracking him.

Ashwin told them exactly how his grip and action differs with each variation. Thats stupidity.

His action is same.

It's his grip and loading that differs. He showed the grip to Ian Ward who couldn't make head or tail of what he meant, nor was it visible in the video.

After all the analysis, English batsmen were still struggling to pick him seam up outswinger which is an obvious delivery. World of difference between knowing and doing.

1. Ashwin bowled too many bad balls in Lord's. His fault. England didn't play his good balls well.

2. Trent Bridge he was injured.
 
In a way it is good that he revealed his tricks, even his county team members said that he is by nature very helpful and doesn't hold back knowledge. It is both a positive as well as negative point. In this age when people lie and withhold knowledge to gain advantage, it is good to see an open book like Ashwin, a very selfless individual.
 
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Nah.

First, you still have to pick what is coming once you're out there in the middle.

If you do pick it, you still have to play it.

Shane Warne bowled 90+% leg-breaks, batsmen still couldn't play him. Jimmy Anderson bowls 10 outswingers in a row with a new Dukes ball and keeps finding the outside edge.

Tell the world every little thing about your bowling, if they can't play spin there's decent chance it'll just confuse them even more.
 
Ashwin is smarter than that, he probably fed Ian Ward the wrong grips and action to confuse whoever was watching.
 
What if Ashwin said to misled them? I mean that could be a possibility.

I wouldn't take what Gavaskar says seriously though and Manjrekar doesn't even count.

SunnyG flips his view of current Indian team/captain depending on the result.
 
Idiots doing what idiots do and I am not talking about ashwin but the dumb and dumber version of Indian commentary. An old man who when not sucking up to the bcci talks only in bad puns and clichés and other a living example of what boredom looks like if it were human, manjrekar is the cure for insomnia not a cricket expert of any kind.
 
These guys are stuck in the 70’s. England like most teams have a large coaching staff who use the latest technology to analyise bowlers evey trick . England even uses projectors linked to ball machines where batsmen practice against any bowler they wish.

One thing knowing but another thing playing it .

You cant feed points of forces through live feed in machines. That interview can be tide-turning.
 
Ashwin is one of the most open book in the cricket. Playing in the IPL for a long time. True he should not have revealed. But good ball is a good ball. Mendis never revealed his "secrets". He got found out. Murali has discussed about his tricks. But people still struggled against him. I agree with Sunny to some extent. Whatever Ashwin did was post retirement stuff lol He gave an exhaustive explanation on what his newly acquired skills are. In this day and age even without him telling people can figure out with super slow motion. But why telling them in advance. Let them find out on their own
 
Gavaskar and Manjrekar are dinosaurs stuck in past. Doesn't matter how much you reveal grips/cues etc., playing in match scenario is completely different. Good batsmen are dismissed not by parlor trick balls but by good setups, plans and execution over span of overs/spells/sessions.

It is a disservice to Ashwin's own skills and England batsmen's adjustability if we attribute any subsequent success or lack thereof merely to mystery variations/tv interviews.
 
So they can learn about Ashwin's tricks from an interview but what about the foreign players who share the dressing room with our players and play them in the nets in IPL? Bolo bolo tell tell. :inti
 
Idiots doing what idiots do and I am not talking about ashwin but the dumb and dumber version of Indian commentary. An old man who when not sucking up to the bcci talks only in bad puns and clichés and other a living example of what boredom looks like if it were human, manjrekar is the cure for insomnia not a cricket expert of any kind.

Manjrekar, Never liked his commentary and never liked him as a player. He recycles same old boring commentary. Never want him anywhere near Indian matches especially in big tournaments. He was an average player during his time but acts like he was a GOAT.

He should sit with Chetan Sharma, Yashpal Sharma, Maninder Singh, Kirti Azad on some govt owned sports channel or Neo Sports and give his valuable expert opinions there only. :inti
 
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For all his posturing as an "intellectual", Ashwin really isn't the sharpest tool in the box is he?

Didn't he compare CSK's return (after a two year ban from spot fixing/betting scandal) to Manchester United's Munich disaster?
 
Shane warne never showed them how he changed his grip or action.

:))

Shane Warne did a number of video master classes during his playing career, showing his grips and variations. You can find them on YouTube. The thing is these demonstrations hardly reveal anything which the professional cricketer is not already aware of. It's more for the audience and to enrich their understanding and enjoyment of the game.
 
:))

Shane Warne did a number of video master classes during his playing career, showing his grips and variations. You can find them on YouTube. The thing is these demonstrations hardly reveal anything which the professional cricketer is not already aware of. It's more for the audience and to enrich their understanding and enjoyment of the game.

Shane warne explained how classical leg spinners will do it. Not his exact way.
 
I think this is an over the top statement by Gavaskar. I highly doubt that the English camp sat down together, watched the interview, and finally learned to play Ashwin because he showed them his grip and all that.

Ashwin is a great bowler but he has his limitations. He is not going to run through teams often in seam-friendly conditions.
 
Shane warne explained how classical leg spinners will do it. Not his exact way.

Warne was the classical leg spinner. His greatest variation was the flipper and then eventually the slider. Explains it all in detail here.

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Shane warne explained how classical leg spinners will do it. Not his exact way.

You don't win anything with Mystery in Test cricket. Sunil Naraine,Rashid Khan and even Kuldeep (not mystery but with his unique left arm action) are examples. You need consistency more than anything.
Both Swann and Lyon had no mystery when they ran through Indian batsmen who have seen spinners like that dime a dozen in their career.
Picking a bowler's variation is one thing, playing that is another.And Ashwin had played county as well and English would have had way better knowledge of him from there rather than watching some interview.
 
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Oh my god, the secret is out and the mystery solved.

So now all of a sudden the English batsman will play him bettter ?

The fact is good players will play him good while those that are poor will always struggle especially on a turning wicket as they don’t have the ability.

This is simply a non issue being blown out of proportion because people get offended by anything done or said.
 
Lmao as if this is the first time something like this is done

Heck Kohli did something a year ago with Nas(?) where he also went into great detail in how he is preparing for England and what are his go to shots to minimize chances of getting out

And in football recently it has been even more to the point where I am wondering why are teams giving away this much detail. For eg. in the latest Man ****** documentary on Amazon they even have team talks and tactical briefings etc
 
I follow TNPL with great enthusiasm. Ashwin shares knowledge with all the youngsters even from other teams, he is very helpful unlike many international cricketers. I am not surprised he revealed his tricks, his nature is like that.
 
I follow TNPL with great enthusiasm. Ashwin shares knowledge with all the youngsters even from other teams, he is very helpful unlike many international cricketers. I am not surprised he revealed his tricks, his nature is like that.

Reminds me of dialogue of movie border - bahaduri and pagalpan me kuch to farak hota hoga
 
Is he some offie?

Expect second tier Indian ipl hacks to take him to cleaners.

Mujeeb? He is that Afghan kid who has had such a wonderful start to his international career, he is an offie but an unconventional type. He had a great IPL this year and even the best IPL batsmen like Kohli, Kock, Rohit etc found him tricky.
 
And in football recently it has been even more to the point where I am wondering why are teams giving away this much detail. For eg. in the latest Man ****** documentary on Amazon they even have team talks and tactical briefings etc

Off-topic, but surely the word U....D being bleeped out is a mistake!?
 
I think Ashwin is a quality bowler but he was really poor at Southampton.

3 wickets for 124 runs on that wicket isn't good enough when the opposition spinner who isn't even a frontline spinner took 9 wickets in the match.

He just wasn't landing it in the right areas and now it looks like he has damaged his groin again.
 
I think Ashwin is a quality bowler but he was really poor at Southampton.

3 wickets for 124 runs on that wicket isn't good enough when the opposition spinner who isn't even a frontline spinner took 9 wickets in the match.

He just wasn't landing it in the right areas and now it looks like he has damaged his groin again.

He was injured. Not fully fit. The commies showed how he was restricting his action. Jadeja should have played.Now he has aggravated that injury.

Second time in two months a player has aggravated his injury because he was played when he wasnot fit.

The team management has to be questioned.

I had said this 1yr back i say it again, there are too many Kohli yes boys in the management in selection and in the CoA. Thats detrimental to the team.
 
He was injured. Not fully fit. The commies showed how he was restricting his action. Jadeja should have played.Now he has aggravated that injury.

Second time in two months a player has aggravated his injury because he was played when he wasnot fit.

The team management has to be questioned.

I had said this 1yr back i say it again, there are too many Kohli yes boys in the management in selection and in the CoA. Thats detrimental to the team.

Criminal to play an injured players and heads should roll for that.
 
Aweful performance with the ball. Pretty fair to say he cost India the match. Also our lower middle order is just too inexperienced it's costing us games.
 
Criminal to play an injured players and heads should roll for that.

2nd time in two months means the heads didnot roll the 1st time. The ones running the board want to keep Kohli in good humour.

Do you understand Hindi or Urdu? If yes and if you are interested then listen to few sports journalists on youtube. I can tell you a bit more but cant post a source. The entire management including selection is all Kohli.
 
He was injured. Not fully fit. The commies showed how he was restricting his action. Jadeja should have played.Now he has aggravated that injury.

Second time in two months a player has aggravated his injury because he was played when he wasnot fit.

The team management has to be questioned.

I had said this 1yr back i say it again, there are too many Kohli yes boys in the management in selection and in the CoA. Thats detrimental to the team.

I guess it shows that Kohli and co. don't have too much faith in Jadeja in Tests in England.
 
Masterclass or no masterclass, Ashwin just could not land it in the rough. If you can't do that then you have a problem.
 
I guess it shows that Kohli and co. don't have too much faith in Jadeja in Tests in England.

The only person Kohli shouldnot have faith in is Ravi Shastri and his bunch of nincompoop support staff. Since 2014 they have pushed Indian cricket back.

Sample this, 2014 Dhawan was India's opener and he struggled. 2018 he is still struggling. We have had a grand total of two batsman debuting for us since 2014.

Something isnt working.
 
Masterclass or no masterclass, Ashwin just could not land it in the rough. If you can't do that then you have a problem.

He shouldnot have played this test. He was injured and he aggravated it. Yes he is a very good bowler as we saw at Edgbaston but if he is injured than he isnt good enough to play.

Sadly no one will be held responsible and punished for this.
 
He shouldnot have played this test. He was injured and he aggravated it. Yes he is a very good bowler as we saw at Edgbaston but if he is injured than he isnt good enough to play.

Sadly no one will be held responsible and punished for this.

Blame lies with Ashwin too.

Even with an injury, if he had the accuracy, he could have still got a few wickets. 3 meaningful wickets and we would have won this.

His lack of focus on consistency cost us this match. All he needed to do was bowl 6 balls at 85 kmph in one spot. Most of his deliveries were 90+ and radar was all wrong.

In Centurion 2nd innings, he was bowling well but if he had been more consistent, he would have picked up more wickets and we may have had a better chance.

Ashwin shouldn't escape scrutiny due to injury. That guy has consistency problems. He picks wickets INSPITE of that flaw. Now the same flaw has cost us a series.
 
He shouldnot have played this test. He was injured and he aggravated it. Yes he is a very good bowler as we saw at Edgbaston but if he is injured than he isnt good enough to play.

Sadly no one will be held responsible and punished for this.

The captain and coach make the selection decisions. If if was a bad one then they need to answer questions
 
The captain and coach make the selection decisions. If if was a bad one then they need to answer questions

Who will ask the question? Afaik there is not a soul in the present bcci management who have the guts to question Kohli.
 
Blame lies with Ashwin too.

Even with an injury, if he had the accuracy, he could have still got a few wickets. 3 meaningful wickets and we would have won this.

His lack of focus on consistency cost us this match. All he needed to do was bowl 6 balls at 85 kmph in one spot. Most of his deliveries were 90+ and radar was all wrong.

In Centurion 2nd innings, he was bowling well but if he had been more consistent, he would have picked up more wickets and we may have had a better chance.

Ashwin shouldn't escape scrutiny due to injury. That guy has consistency problems. He picks wickets INSPITE of that flaw. Now the same flaw has cost us a series.

Centurion was Ashwin's fault. No doubt. But Southampton isnt. Its not easy to bowl with a groin injury.
 
Think his fans are exaggerating his 'injury.'

He bowled 22 overs straight in the second innings without complaint.
 
The only person Kohli shouldnot have faith in is Ravi Shastri and his bunch of nincompoop support staff. Since 2014 they have pushed Indian cricket back.

Sample this, 2014 Dhawan was India's opener and he struggled. 2018 he is still struggling. We have had a grand total of two batsman debuting for us since 2014.

Something isnt working.

Kohli is the one who had Anil Kumble removed for Ravi Shastri, if Shastri gets the axe then Kohli should face the consequences as well
 
Centurion was Ashwin's fault. No doubt. But Southampton isnt. Its not easy to bowl with a groin injury.

I understand its hard with injuries.

Why was he not trying to bowl in one spot?

Where was the intent?

We cant keep excusing him. The deliverables are not there and the criticism is just.

Joberg
Centurion
Now Southampton

More than anything, he failed to realize that bowling 6 balls in one spot at a certain speed was all that was needed. There was no need for quicker deliveries and variations.

Also he wastes time bowling sidespin when overspin works much better for him overseas.

The chickens have come home to roost now.

I dont question his ability but he hasnt delivered due to stupidity and some ill luck.
 
Surprising stuff from Ashwin.

Saeed Ajmal did a similar interview with Sky a few years ago. I asked him about it and Saeed said "play along with the cameras, but a magician never fully reveals his tricks".

thats a brilliant response by Ajmal.
 
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