Rebuilding Pakistan's Test team after the expected series defeat vs Australia

[arif_2021]

You want someone who has batted for Kyhber at 5 to bat at 3 in international cricket good one.

this is non-sense. iftikhar ahmed is the best domestic long format player and has been for a while.

he needs to be in the team. batting order can be adjusted.

often he has come and batted at 10/3 or 20/3. its essentially batting one down.

stop giving excuses about batting order. younis also started at 6 and moved up to 3 and 4.

you have no argument please.

 

[FollowThru]

One bad match and posters want Fawad Alam to be dropped. He has been scoring consistently in domestic cricket and played well against SA. There is no reason why he can't score in Lahore Test.

We need an extra option for spin in Lahore. Foremost, Babar Azam needs to win the toss.

 

[arif_2021]

One bad match and posters want Fawad Alam to be dropped. He has been scoring consistently in domestic cricket and played well against SA. There is no reason why he can't score in Lahore Test.

We need an extra option for spin in Lahore. Foremost, Babar Azam needs to win the toss.

fawad alam needs to be given a long run. i am talking about azhar ali...

he scored 3 runs off 50 balls and went into defensive mode. had he batted normally like babar, we could have even won the game...the point is, he did not even try

he is mentally weak and gives up very easily. he should have reviewed his lbw decision as well. not knowing that the ball hit your own gloves is just embarassing...

 

[smkk]

fawad alam needs to be given a long run. i am talking about azhar ali...

he scored 3 runs off 50 balls and went into defensive mode. had he batted normally like babar, we could have even won the game...the point is, he did not even try

he is mentally weak and gives up very easily. he should have reviewed his lbw decision as well. not knowing that the ball hit your own gloves is just embarassing...

Agreed!!
What is frustrating for me is that, most of the poster is mentioning Fawad Alam(rightfully) but no one talking about Azhar Ali. If any one should be blamed for not winning this match for Pak, then it is Azhar Ali and his ultra defensive approach. Due to him an entire session were wasted, untill Babar came and set the innings stable for 2 days. Whenever there is any kind of pressure, Azhar Ali falters. Atleast in last couple of years Fawad Alam had played few innings in pressure but when did Azhar Ali played under extreme pressure recently ?

 

[smkk]

this is non-sense. iftikhar ahmed is the best domestic long format player and has been for a while.

he needs to be in the team. batting order can be adjusted.

often he has come and batted at 10/3 or 20/3. its essentially batting one down.

stop giving excuses about batting order. younis also started at 6 and moved up to 3 and 4.

you have no argument please.

bowling standard of domestic and internationals is pretty much another level. Anyone succeeding in domestic, will not succeed in Internationals, unless he have skill and technique to do so. Iftikhar fails over here.

Not to mention, his age is a factor. Instead a young player who can be of service for pak for next coming decade should be preferred.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

What difference does it make.

He performed - maybe he’ll play 2-3 years

atleast he deserves a chance on merit

It makes a lot of difference , when many youngsters are waiting in the line and think tank to ignore them for someone who is as old as Waqar Younis.

This age not a number is brought in by Misbah Afridi Younus who all thought they are good enough to play till 45. Which Hafeez and Malik followed , now Azhar and Fawad is following it, kill this culture otherwise every young cricketer who will debut will be at 35 yrs.

Same goes to Sajid khan , does he look like younger than Babar , Hasan and Nawaz lol, but his age says 26

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Agreed!!
What is frustrating for me is that, most of the poster is mentioning Fawad Alam(rightfully) but no one talking about Azhar Ali. If any one should be blamed for not winning this match for Pak, then it is Azhar Ali and his ultra defensive approach. Due to him an entire session were wasted, untill Babar came and set the innings stable for 2 days. Whenever there is any kind of pressure, Azhar Ali falters. Atleast in last couple of years Fawad Alam had played few innings in pressure but when did Azhar Ali played under extreme pressure recently ?

Both of them would be good riddance. Hope Ramiz can veto and kick them out.

 

[arif_2021]

It makes a lot of difference , when many youngsters are waiting in the line and think tank to ignore them for someone who is as old as Waqar Younis.

This age not a number is brought in by Misbah Afridi Younus who all thought they are good enough to play till 45. Which Hafeez and Malik followed , now Azhar and Fawad is following it, kill this culture otherwise every young cricketer who will debut will be at 35 yrs.

Same goes to Sajid khan , does he look like younger than Babar , Hasan and Nawaz lol, but his age says 26

Please list batsmen better than iftikhar and saud shakeel in domestic circuit

Domestic is the most reasonable way to make merit based selection. If bowling is poor on domestics, it’s poor for everyone…the guy who averages 60 and the guy who averages 25

 

[shamaan]

this is non-sense. iftikhar ahmed is the best domestic long format player and has been for a while.

he needs to be in the team. batting order can be adjusted.

often he has come and batted at 10/3 or 20/3. its essentially batting one down.

stop giving excuses about batting order. younis also started at 6 and moved up to 3 and 4.

you have no argument please.

No it's facts that he was batting at at 5.

You trying to compare younis khan to Iftikhar ? Lol.

Younis khan had to bat at 5 becouse inzy and yousuf were in the line up alongside Anwar !

 

[Kroll]

fawad alam needs to be given a long run. i am talking about azhar ali...

he scored 3 runs off 50 balls and went into defensive mode. had he batted normally like babar, we could have even won the game...the point is, he did not even try

he is mentally weak and gives up very easily. he should have reviewed his lbw decision as well. not knowing that the ball hit your own gloves is just embarassing...

Err, that is his normal batting.

 

[realitygaf]

Please list batsmen better than iftikhar and saud shakeel in domestic circuit

Domestic is the most reasonable way to make merit based selection. If bowling is poor on domestics, it’s poor for everyone…the guy who averages 60 and the guy who averages 25

Haseebullah Khan
Muhammad Haris
Abdul Bangalzai
Agha Salman
Mohammad Hurraira
Sahibzada Farhan

 

[arif_2021]

Lol none of them have had the consistency of iftikhar and saud

 

[arif_2021]

Err, that is his normal batting.

And you think that’s ok?

 

[arif_2021]

No it's facts that he was batting at at 5.

You trying to compare younis khan to Iftikhar ? Lol.

Younis khan had to bat at 5 becouse inzy and yousuf were in the line up alongside Anwar !

Younis may have started at 6, but he was at 3 or 4 due to performances

He batted above inzi actually so I’m not sure what you’re talking about

 

[shamaan]

Younis may have started at 6, but he was at 3 or 4 due to performances

He batted above inzi actually so I’m not sure what you’re talking about

Younis khan batted at 6 in his 1st,2nd,3rd test.
Inzy batted at 4.

 

[arif_2021]

thank you for proving my point...he started low, and because he was a good batsman, he moved up the order.

similar to smith, labushagne and many other batsmen.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Please list batsmen better than iftikhar and saud shakeel in domestic circuit

Domestic is the most reasonable way to make merit based selection. If bowling is poor on domestics, it’s poor for everyone…the guy who averages 60 and the guy who averages 25

Kamran Ghulam, Muhammad Haris, Haider Ali, Hurraira, Shafique - These guys will be the future of Pakistan batting, they should form batting nucleus around these guys...

I will take Saud Shakeel for tests but not LOIs...

 

[ask_analyse_act]

fawad alam needs to be given a long run. i am talking about azhar ali...

he scored 3 runs off 50 balls and went into defensive mode. had he batted normally like babar, we could have even won the game...the point is, he did not even try

he is mentally weak and gives up very easily. he should have reviewed his lbw decision as well. not knowing that the ball hit your own gloves is just embarassing...

and ducking against 130kph in Karachi wicket..

Fawad's time is over. he should go rot in domestics.. Time to move on with Azhar and Fawad and give chances to Kamran ghulam & Saud Shakeel in his place..

Usman Salahuddin another prospect for Azhar's no.3 spot but he also plays slow like Azahr ali..

 

[ads101]

No need to panic too much. Our team isn’t world beaters but think it’s the best we have out there. The two openers are probably the most promising in that age group. Faheem is probably the best fast bowling allrounder if we want to have that player in our team to give rest to fast bowlers.

The only thing is to blood in kamran ghulam and said shakeel. But that will happen soon anyway, azhar will be gone soon or we drop him. Our bowling and spinners are poor but there aren’t many alternatives. I do think moving azhar down to four and Babar up to three would help the team, azhar able to use his experience to make big scores down the order given his age, Babar can take control of a game more and see out the new ball at 3. Fawad should be gone soon but if he keeps performing at around 50 average I don’t mind him sticking around for 1-2 years.

But all in all, worth just sticking to this team. Yes we have two players who we need to blood in in kamran and saud but there’s not guarantee both or even one will perform, and we already have two younger players in the line up already. If azhar and fawad can score at averages around 50/45 presently they aren’t really hurting the team right now realistically/the problem.

I’d drop azhar now and replace, but let’s be honest it doesn’t make too much difference whether we do now or a year or so.

 

[Cric1234]

No need to panic too much. Our team isn’t world beaters but think it’s the best we have out there. The two openers are probably the most promising in that age group. Faheem is probably the best fast bowling allrounder if we want to have that player in our team to give rest to fast bowlers.

The only thing is to blood in kamran ghulam and said shakeel. But that will happen soon anyway, azhar will be gone soon or we drop him. Our bowling and spinners are poor but there aren’t many alternatives. I do think moving azhar down to four and Babar up to three would help the team, azhar able to use his experience to make big scores down the order given his age, Babar can take control of a game more and see out the new ball at 3. Fawad should be gone soon but if he keeps performing at around 50 average I don’t mind him sticking around for 1-2 years.

But all in all, worth just sticking to this team. Yes we have two players who we need to blood in in kamran and saud but there’s not guarantee both or even one will perform, and we already have two younger players in the line up already. If azhar and fawad can score at averages around 50/45 presently they aren’t really hurting the team right now realistically/the problem.

I’d drop azhar now and replace, but let’s be honest it doesn’t make too much difference whether we do now or a year or so.

It’s an optimistic post let’s see if the team can win a test outside Asia we haven’t won one for years in SENA there isn’t enough there for a top team a low ranking is pretty much guaranteed for the next half decade.

The only way to win a few tests outside Asia is to adopt an aggressive approach by selecting a few batsmen who can score quickly and the current fast bowlers would need to improve there aswell.

 

[SM1989]

Well I guess this is now relevant again.

Main change that should happen is that Fawad should be removed. More aggressive batsmen from the PSL should be in the top 3 to improve the scoring rate.

 

[Savak]

Tbh you can tinker with the playing eleven as much as you want. If the timid, defensive mindset of the players doesn't change against the big teams, nothing will

 

[Amjid Javed]

Team for SL series should be

Abdullah
Shan
Saud shakeel
Babar
kamran ghulam
rizwan
nawaz or shadab
dhani or rauf
naseem
yasir shah
shaheen

 

[Kroll]

Don’t be silly, we can’t rebuild until Azhar Ali gets his 100 tests.

Maybe wait till he gets to 150 tests,

 

[Unleashed]

Honestly man just get rid of those two clowns masquerading as Spinners. I'm Indian and even I'm feeling embarrassed watching them "bowl".

 

[Ahmed216]

Team for SL series should be

Abdullah
Shan
Saud shakeel
Babar
kamran ghulam
rizwan
nawaz or shadab
dhani or rauf
naseem
yasir shah
shaheen

Azhar and imam not going anywhere. They are from babar’s friend circle. Can’t expect a timid individual take solid decisions. Only one going out is fawad.

 

[Kaddy]

Don’t be silly, we can’t rebuild until Azhar Ali gets his 100 tests.

Maybe wait till he gets to 150 tests,

Please

 

[realitygaf]

One bad match and posters want Fawad Alam to be dropped. He has been scoring consistently in domestic cricket and played well against SA. There is no reason why he can't score in Lahore Test.

We need an extra option for spin in Lahore. Foremost, Babar Azam needs to win the toss.

No need to panic too much. Our team isn’t world beaters but think it’s the best we have out there. The two openers are probably the most promising in that age group. Faheem is probably the best fast bowling allrounder if we want to have that player in our team to give rest to fast bowlers.

The only thing is to blood in kamran ghulam and said shakeel. But that will happen soon anyway, azhar will be gone soon or we drop him. Our bowling and spinners are poor but there aren’t many alternatives. I do think moving azhar down to four and Babar up to three would help the team, azhar able to use his experience to make big scores down the order given his age, Babar can take control of a game more and see out the new ball at 3. Fawad should be gone soon but if he keeps performing at around 50 average I don’t mind him sticking around for 1-2 years.

But all in all, worth just sticking to this team. Yes we have two players who we need to blood in in kamran and saud but there’s not guarantee both or even one will perform, and we already have two younger players in the line up already. If azhar and fawad can score at averages around 50/45 presently they aren’t really hurting the team right now realistically/the problem.

I’d drop azhar now and replace, but let’s be honest it doesn’t make too much difference whether we do now or a year or so.

Wait until the series is finished at least before getting your panties in a twist.

It is not over yet.

Pakistan can still win/save this game and this series.

I think Fawad Alam should be dropped. Also, spinners probably need to be replaced.

Interesting thread title.

Pakistan may yet win the series!

Another day, another knee-jerk thread

as i was saying... I was right about every single thing so far:

for months I have been saying (look up my post history)


1. Babar is not a leader, his bubble will burst and it has .
2. Hassan Ali has been out of form since national t20 cup which took place instead of NZ tour. I was saying it since then and no one listened and mocked me for saying he is not match fit
3. Pakistan is only winning against minnows and teams who select poor players due to IPL and other leagues
4. I said naseem shah should never have been dropped in 2nd test as he was bowling really well.


Pakistan needs to move on from anchor weights and invest in FAST bowlers who are young like Naseem Shah and shaheen shah. Now the brainless selectors have selected Hassan ali over Naseem Shah in a format where Hassan ali performs even worse than Tests. This is brainless. the selectors need to go, Ramiz needs to stop talking and Babar needs to be sacked

 

[Energy]

I'd play both Nawaz and Shadab as spinners over the two current uncles. Would absolutely not go with any 30+ uncle from the domestics irrespective of their performance because they are all clowns.

Imam, Abdullah, Azhar, Babar, Ghulam, Rizwan, Shadab, Nawaz, Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem

 

[Amjid Javed]

I'd play both Nawaz and Shadab as spinners over the two current uncles. Would absolutely not go with any 30+ uncle from the domestics irrespective of their performance because they are all clowns.

Imam, Abdullah, Azhar, Babar, Ghulam, Rizwan, Shadab, Nawaz, Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem

Imam and Azhar are useless against decent opposition on testing surfaces

 

[Energy]

Imam and Azhar are useless against decent opposition on testing surfaces

Yes, but realistically they're not getting dropped. Unless Azhar decides to retire which he should.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

I think Pakistan should concentrate and prepare for ODI 2023 WC, these test matches are hardly meaningful and no one barely remembers it. I say rest Shaheen & Nasim Shah play them only in ODIs /T20. Last thing Pakistan need is Shaheen loosing 10 kph or worse get injured for a worthless test match

 

[shamaan]

Fahim and Nawaz will give you batting depth.Fahim can be replaced by Shadab which won't affect the batting.Saud and Kamran should be given ago.

Abdullah
Imaam/azhar only 1 should play
Saud
Babar
Kamran Ghullam
Rizwan
Fahim Ashraf
Nawaz
Yasir Shah/Zahid Mahmood
Shaheen
Naseem

Zahid Mahmood
Imaam
Iftikhar as a batter not as an all rounder.
Dahani
Shadab

 

[Kianig89]

Imam
Shafi
Azhar i know Selectors won't drop him
Babar
Any top performing Youngster
Rizwan
Nawaz
Faheem
Shadab
Shaheen
Naseem

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Shafique
Imam
Shan Masood
Babar
Saud Shakeel
Rizwan
Wasim Jnr
Shadab Khan
Nawaz
Naseem
Shaheen


Reserves:
Kamran Ghulam
Usman Salahuddin
Faheem Ashraf
Sameen Gul
Mohammaed Haris
Mohammad Asghar
Faisal Akram

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Yes, but realistically they're not getting dropped. Unless Azhar decides to retire which he should.

No .. i think recently he said , he has 3-4 years of cricket left in him..

Everyone thinks they are entitle to play like Misbah till 41 years