Report does not reflect increase in corruption: Transparency International [Update Post #182]

[uberkoen]

Transparency International just released its 2019 Corruption Perception Index (CPI) today and Pakistan has fallen from 117 (where it has been over the past 2 years) to 120 while also scoring lower than last year and the same as it scored back in 2018.

Transparency International’s flagship research product, has become the leading global indicator of public sector corruption. The index offers an annual snapshot of the relative degree of corruption by ranking countries and territories from all over the globe. The 2019 CPI draws on 13 surveys and expert assessments to measure public sector corruption in 180 countries and territories, giving each a score from zero (highly corrupt) to 100 (very clean).

Pakistan scored 32 a point lower than 2018 and in line with what the score was back in 2016 and 2017. Previously, Pakistan had shown a major increase in its ranking and points increasing the score from 30 in 2015 to 32 in 2016.

As per this report, corruption has increased in Pakistan as compared to last year and basically nothing has changed over the past 4 years other than the fact that other countries have done better in fighting corruption versus Pakistan and thereby have increased their rankings and Pakistan has fallen 3 rankings lower vs where it stood last year.

 

[Mamoon]

Transparency International is on Noora payroll and they are beneficiaries of corruption.

Regards,

Typical PTI supporter

 

[Mamoon]

On a serious note, it is quite clear that corruption has increased under PTI. Let’s look at Peshawar, the provincial capital that they have been ruling for 7 years with zero achievements.

They have spent billions on the BRT but it is a disaster. It is looks it will never be up and running and the government is trying to make sure that people forget about it.

By the far the most failed metro bus project in Pakistan. It is obvious that those billions have ended in some pockets.

We need to understand that corruption is not a problem for PTI. It is only a problem when it is done by PMLN or PPP. Corruption by PTI is halal.

Jahangir Tareen, a certified fraud who has been disqualified by Supreme Court, is still actively involved in the party and used his black money to buy the loyalties of independents.

If Imran Khan did not intend to fool the public and had any credibility, he would have cut all ties with him after the judicial verdict and should not have associated his party with him in any form.

However, his black money funded his election campaign and his dharnas so he has to keep him happy.

In addition, his 22-23 year old son, who just graduated from university, has now used his father’s black money to invest in the Multan franchise in PSL. Is this Naya Pakistan?

Imagine the outrage and the expletives if the son of a corrupt PMLN or PPP politician buys a PSL team.

Furthermore, let’s not forget how Imran himself has been running from his foreign funding case and his party has demanded secrecy in investigations. If he has nothing to hide, why demand secrecy?

He should be using these allegations to his advantage and further solidify the notion that he is honest. However, he is not doing that because he has skeletons in the closet.

PTI is the most incompetent, immoral, corrupt and fake government this country has ever seen. Never before have such classless street urchins been imposed on the nation.

You have 10th graders serving as education minister, fake degree holders in federal ministries, a lawyer as the Science and Technology minister and the likes of Firdous Awan and Sheikh Rasheed handling information and railway.

The icing on the cake is of course a former PPP finance minister as the financial advisor to Imran Khan.

The same PPP whose economic performance and corruption have been criticized by Imran Khan for years.

The finance minister who either facilitated the corruption of Zardari and co, or was unaware of what they were doing, which is probably worse, is now going to steer the economy of Pakistan in the right direction.

The wisdom and the intelligence of this joker government is amusing. Nevertheless, even the darkest clouds have a silver lining.

This reign of terror and this circus shall pass and normalcy will be restored. The only question is, how will these PTI jokers live in the society as normal people?

 

[Bewal Express]

On a serious note, it is quite clear that corruption has increased under PTI. Let’s look at Peshawar, the provincial capital that they have been ruling for 7 years with zero achievements.

They have spent billions on the BRT but it is a disaster. It is looks it will never be up and running and the government is trying to make sure that people forget about it.

By the far the most failed metro bus project in Pakistan. It is obvious that those billions have ended in some pockets.

We need to understand that corruption is not a problem for PTI. It is only a problem when it is done by PMLN or PPP. Corruption by PTI is halal.

Jahangir Tareen, a certified fraud who has been disqualified by Supreme Court, is still actively involved in the party and used his black money to buy the loyalties of independents.

If Imran Khan did not intend to fool the public and had any credibility, he would have cut all ties with him after the judicial verdict and should not have associated his party with him in any form.

However, his black money funded his election campaign and his dharnas so he has to keep him happy.

In addition, his 22-23 year old son, who just graduated from university, has now used his father’s black money to invest in the Multan franchise in PSL. Is this Naya Pakistan?

Imagine the outrage and the expletives if the son of a corrupt PMLN or PPP politician buys a PSL team.

Furthermore, let’s not forget how Imran himself has been running from his foreign funding case and his party has demanded secrecy in investigations. If he has nothing to hide, why demand secrecy?

He should be using these allegations to his advantage and further solidify the notion that he is honest. However, he is not doing that because he has skeletons in the closet.

PTI is the most incompetent, immoral, corrupt and fake government this country has ever seen. Never before have such classless street urchins been imposed on the nation.

You have 10th graders serving as education minister, fake degree holders in federal ministries, a lawyer as the Science and Technology minister and the likes of Firdous Awan and Sheikh Rasheed handling information and railway.

The icing on the cake is of course a former PPP finance minister as the financial advisor to Imran Khan.

The same PPP whose economic performance and corruption have been criticized by Imran Khan for years.

The finance minister who either facilitated the corruption of Zardari and co, or was unaware of what they were doing, which is probably worse, is now going to steer the economy of Pakistan in the right direction.

The wisdom and the intelligence of this joker government is amusing. Nevertheless, even the darkest clouds have a silver lining.

This reign of terror and this circus shall pass and normalcy will be restored. The only question is, how will these PTI jokers live in the society as normal people?

Another long rant, when you think no one is going to reply. Whatever happened to your reply on the A4 piece of paper that Nooras handed in as their reply for their Foreign funding or the PPP saying the ECP don't have jurisdiction? Whatever happened to your reply on the 10th grader speaking better Urdu than Billo? I still await with anticipation ! Where is the reply on the billions stolen from Sindh wheat stocks? Aren't you the guy that didn't know the role of the Finance Minister, he raises the money or spends ? Where is your reply on SS turning a 100bn surplus into a a 2 trillion deficit in his 10 years? Or what happened to $64bn borrowed over 10 years, I await a reply on the Omni group scandal. Why is Billo and the Nooras kneeling at the feet of Phuppi Diesel.

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

A damning report indeed. Corruption has always been rampant and always will be, it doesn't help that you have Shiekh Rasheed's and Fawad Chaudry's as ministers.

However, the truth of the matter is that corruption has been ingrained at every level in this country, from the smallest of traders to the highest in the bureaucracy. The same people who then complain how corrupt the nation is.

Unless people have incentives and their needs being met, this trend will continue and that's why countries like New Zealand and Sweden are the least corrupt. Even something as simple getting your drivers license renewed is so frustrating that you end up paying to find easiers solutions.

 

[Bewal Express]

A damning report indeed. Corruption has always been rampant and always will be, it doesn't help that you have Shiekh Rasheed's and Fawad Chaudry's as ministers.

However, the truth of the matter is that corruption has been ingrained at every level in this country, from the smallest of traders to the highest in the bureaucracy. The same people who then complain how corrupt the nation is.

Unless people have incentives and their needs being met, this trend will continue and that's why countries like New Zealand and Sweden are the least corrupt. Even something as simple getting your drivers license renewed is so frustrating that you end up paying to find easiers solutions.

This is no doubt very disappointing but it's interesting that Nooras on here are ignoring the fact that it says its at their level. As a PTI supporter I find very disappointing but who was in power in 2016 and 17?

 

[Abdullah719]

The Berlin-based non-profit releases the index every year, ranking 180 countries and territories by their perceived levels of public sector corruption, according to experts and business people. Pakistan was ranked at the 117th place for the years 2017 and 2018.

The country scored 32/100 on the CPI in 2018 and 32/100 in 2017. Although the score of Pakistan on the index has not changed at all compared to the past year, the changes in the CPI score of other countries on the list resulted in Pakistan falling down the ranking.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/268720-transparency-to-release-2019-corruption-perception-index-today

So, no change.

 

[uberkoen]

This is no doubt very disappointing but it's interesting that Nooras on here are ignoring the fact that it says its at their level. As a PTI supporter I find very disappointing but who was in power in 2016 and 17?

This is the first time since 2015 that we have dropped.

Indeed it stays at the level where PML-N brought it after improving it drastically in 15/16 however, IK came with the agenda to end corruption and the fact of the matter is that he hasn't been able to improve anything and this proves that the corruption under PTI is the same as it was under PML-N. So PTI is not an anti-corruption party. The whole debate of incompetent vs anti corruption has come to an end. PTI is not only incompetent but also just as corrupt as PML-N

 

[uberkoen]

Another long rant, when you think no one is going to reply. Whatever happened to your reply on the A4 piece of paper that Nooras handed in as their reply for their Foreign funding or the PPP saying the ECP don't have jurisdiction? Whatever happened to your reply on the 10th grader speaking better Urdu than Billo? I still await with anticipation ! Where is the reply on the billions stolen from Sindh wheat stocks? Aren't you the guy that didn't know the role of the Finance Minister, he raises the money or spends ? Where is your reply on SS turning a 100bn surplus into a a 2 trillion deficit in his 10 years? Or what happened to $64bn borrowed over 10 years, I await a reply on the Omni group scandal. Why is Billo and the Nooras kneeling at the feet of Phuppi Diesel.

We are also still awaiting replies on the corruption and expenditure on Peshawar BRT and the wide spread corruption in the billion tree tsunami program. Also with regards to the mismanagement of wheat in the entire country and how we could have a short fall when you're exporting wheat. How much did Tareen profit from this fiasco?

I like your tactic of diverting discussions however, it would be best if you focused on the topic on hand and maybe opened new threads for all your other points instead of side stepping the fact that PTI is just as corrupt as PML-N and horribly incompetent.

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

This is no doubt very disappointing but it's interesting that Nooras on here are ignoring the fact that it says its at their level. As a PTI supporter I find very disappointing but who was in power in 2016 and 17?

This is a problem that supersedes the issue of who's in power, you can have a literal angel sitting in the PM seat but if the population is involved in corruption things won't change. That is the case with us, and it's gotten to the point where it is now the norm.

And that'll only change when people are financially secure so they don't desire to find nefarious means to earn some money, and the interaction between citizen and government is smooth so people don't try and find alternate ways of getting things done. Which to me seems like a pipe dream as of now

 

[Bigboii]

On a serious note, it is quite clear that corruption has increased under PTI. Let’s look at Peshawar, the provincial capital that they have been ruling for 7 years with zero achievements.

They have spent billions on the BRT but it is a disaster. It is looks it will never be up and running and the government is trying to make sure that people forget about it.

By the far the most failed metro bus project in Pakistan. It is obvious that those billions have ended in some pockets.

We need to understand that corruption is not a problem for PTI. It is only a problem when it is done by PMLN or PPP. Corruption by PTI is halal.

Jahangir Tareen, a certified fraud who has been disqualified by Supreme Court, is still actively involved in the party and used his black money to buy the loyalties of independents.

If Imran Khan did not intend to fool the public and had any credibility, he would have cut all ties with him after the judicial verdict and should not have associated his party with him in any form.

However, his black money funded his election campaign and his dharnas so he has to keep him happy.

In addition, his 22-23 year old son, who just graduated from university, has now used his father’s black money to invest in the Multan franchise in PSL. Is this Naya Pakistan?

Imagine the outrage and the expletives if the son of a corrupt PMLN or PPP politician buys a PSL team.

Furthermore, let’s not forget how Imran himself has been running from his foreign funding case and his party has demanded secrecy in investigations. If he has nothing to hide, why demand secrecy?

He should be using these allegations to his advantage and further solidify the notion that he is honest. However, he is not doing that because he has skeletons in the closet.

PTI is the most incompetent, immoral, corrupt and fake government this country has ever seen. Never before have such classless street urchins been imposed on the nation.

You have 10th graders serving as education minister, fake degree holders in federal ministries, a lawyer as the Science and Technology minister and the likes of Firdous Awan and Sheikh Rasheed handling information and railway.

The icing on the cake is of course a former PPP finance minister as the financial advisor to Imran Khan.

The same PPP whose economic performance and corruption have been criticized by Imran Khan for years.

The finance minister who either facilitated the corruption of Zardari and co, or was unaware of what they were doing, which is probably worse, is now going to steer the economy of Pakistan in the right direction.

The wisdom and the intelligence of this joker government is amusing. Nevertheless, even the darkest clouds have a silver lining.

This reign of terror and this circus shall pass and normalcy will be restored. The only question is, how will these PTI jokers live in the society as normal people?

I think that corruption has decreased because this government is so stupid that they can't even do development unlike the previous gov who made money from developments

They can only do simple corruption like increasing the price of wheat or sugar not the big level corruption of developments where you actually have to do some kind of work and use your brain

In order to make money and do corruption you need to actually work and use a bit of that brain which for these PTI ministers are in short supply

 

[Bewal Express]

This is the first time since 2015 that we have dropped.

Indeed it stays at the level where PML-N brought it after improving it drastically in 15/16 however, IK came with the agenda to end corruption and the fact of the matter is that he hasn't been able to improve anything and this proves that the corruption under PTI is the same as it was under PML-N. So PTI is not an anti-corruption party. The whole debate of incompetent vs anti corruption has come to an end. PTI is not only incompetent but also just as corrupt as PML-N

Remember the Nooras and their partners have been in power since 2008. You are basing one year against 10, in statistics that would be seen as unrepresentative. If there was no improvement then i would agree with you. The big difference will be that IK isnt spending day and night looking for ways to make money. Most of the Sharif clan is on the run and Sindh has had 11 years of PPP govt and a trillion rps was stolen through the likes of Omni group.

 

[Bewal Express]

This is a problem that supersedes the issue of who's in power, you can have a literal angel sitting in the PM seat but if the population is involved in corruption things won't change. That is the case with us, and it's gotten to the point where it is now the norm.

And that'll only change when people are financially secure so they don't desire to find nefarious means to earn some money, and the interaction between citizen and government is smooth so people don't try and find alternate ways of getting things done. Which to me seems like a pipe dream as of now

The most corrupt people are at the top- the Sharifs and Zardaris- how much do they need to be financially secure?

 

[Bewal Express]

I think that corruption has decreased because this government is so stupid that they can't even do development unlike the previous gov who made money from developments

They can only do simple corruption like increasing the price of wheat or sugar not the big level corruption of developments where you actually have to do some kind of work and use your brain

In order to make money and do corruption you need to actually work and use a bit of that brain which for these PTI ministers are in short supply ��

For a start it takes time for development projects to be visible. You see 30 years of Noora projects against a govt thats been in power for 1.5 yrs. And it seems that your starting point is that people have to be corrupt to do any project, why should that be the case?

 

[Bewal Express]

We are also still awaiting replies on the corruption and expenditure on Peshawar BRT and the wide spread corruption in the billion tree tsunami program. Also with regards to the mismanagement of wheat in the entire country and how we could have a short fall when you're exporting wheat. How much did Tareen profit from this fiasco?

I like your tactic of diverting discussions however, it would be best if you focused on the topic on hand and maybe opened new threads for all your other points instead of side stepping the fact that PTI is just as corrupt as PML-N and horribly incompetent.

Can you show me evidence, any evidence that there is corruption in BRT? Your Friend blathers on each week about the time it took and i showed a letter from the ADB saying its actually within the time frame.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1935962/1-peshawar-brt-adb-experts-express-satisfaction-pace-work/

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

The most corrupt people are at the top- the Sharifs and Zardaris- how much do they need to be financially secure?

But what about the countless people at the ground level, the ones that deal with you and me? The Dc's who charge an arm and leg for a simple NOC? The shopkeepers who overweigh products?

As the saying goes "Jese log wese hukmaran"

Fixing the top floor can never rectify a shaky foundation.

 

[Bewal Express]

But what about the countless people at the ground level, the ones that deal with you and me? The Dc's who charge an arm and leg for a simple NOC? The shopkeepers who overweigh products?

As the saying goes "Jese log wese hukmaran"

Fixing the top floor can never rectify a shaky foundation.

But they are not the guys earning the billions to buy mansions in London and Dubai. If people at the top set a good example, people at the bottom will be more willing to buy into. Over time the low level corruption can be reduced if the people at the top are not greedy ********, do NS and AZ need the billions?

 

[uberkoen]

Remember the Nooras and their partners have been in power since 2008. You are basing one year against 10, in statistics that would be seen as unrepresentative. If there was no improvement then i would agree with you. The big difference will be that IK isnt spending day and night looking for ways to make money. Most of the Sharif clan is on the run and Sindh has had 11 years of PPP govt and a trillion rps was stolen through the likes of Omni group.

Sorry, I need to correct myself. I just saw on the news that we have been climbing up on the ratings since the last 10 years and this is the first time we have dropped or not have been able to maintain the same as the previous year.

You can make up as many excuses as you want fact of the matter is that the current political party is more or equally corrupt as PMLN and PPP. Moreover, whats astounding is that they haven't even initiated any major projects and still the ratings have dropped.

I'm waiting for the typical PTI response "It's all the fault of the previous regime we haven't had enough time to implement our policies". The world see's whats happening. Stop turning a blind eye. What happened with the whole wheat fiasco. It was corruption and our friend Tareen probably earned millions. What's happening with Peshawer BRT? Moreover, what's happening in Punjab? They can't seem to manage the province.

This government is a failure. They have failed to implement their agenda. It is time your accept that. Every time we have this discussion the only thing I heard from PTI followers was that "at least we're not corrupt" but guess what? You are.

 

[uberkoen]

But they are not the guys earning the billions to buy mansions in London and Dubai. If people at the top set a good example, people at the bottom will be more willing to buy into. Over time the low level corruption can be reduced if the people at the top are not greedy ********, do NS and AZ need the billions?

Are you making excuses for the corruption that is prevalent in our country and the fact that this government came into power 2 years ago with the promise to end this within 180 days and have actually made it worse? Corruption is corruption whether is 1 billion or 1rs. Don't make excuses.

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

But they are not the guys earning the billions to buy mansions in London and Dubai. If people at the top set a good example, people at the bottom will be more willing to buy into. Over time the low-level corruption can be reduced if the people at the top are not greedy ********, do NS and AZ need the billions?

They might not be earning billions but they sure do earn a lot, you'd be surprised. As someone who's trying to set up his own business, you'd be shocked at how difficult I've found it to get the job done. I've been run through the wringer multiple times to get a simple NOC, which I would've gotten immediately had I put some cash upfront. Even a trip to the excise office to get your car registered you have a choice to pay up and be out of there or spend 2 hours having your nerves spent. Do you think Imran Khan can stop these goons?

Low-level corruption evolves into high-level corruption, expecting a trickle-down effect from top to bottom is setting up yourself up for disappointment. A broken bureaucracy like ours will always be the reason for the majority of corruption, as is the case with most 3rd world countries.

Of course they don't, and they should be punished severely, but that won't stop the issues I've talked about. The reason why countries in Scandinavia rank so high is because their system works where people don't feel the need to get involved in corruption. Honest people bring honest leaders.

 

[Bewal Express]

Are you making excuses for the corruption that is prevalent in our country and the fact that this government came into power 2 years ago with the promise to end this within 180 days and have actually made it worse? Corruption is corruption whether is 1 billion or 1rs. Don't make excuses.

Can you give examples of how its worse? and btw 1rps and 1 billion are not the same, Only a supporter of crooks would think that and it seems that you are? (Remember when you asked for a whole week linking MR property to the Sharifs and when the documents were posted you ran away like your mate)Both are wrong but the guy doing 1rps is most likely to feed his family, a guy doing a billion is looking for a new mansion in Dubai.

 

[uberkoen]

Can you show me evidence, any evidence that there is corruption in BRT? Your Friend blathers on each week about the time it took and i showed a letter from the ADB saying its actually within the time frame.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1935962/1-peshawar-brt-adb-experts-express-satisfaction-pace-work/

So you're saying we used such state of the art technology to build this which is why it is the most expensive BRT ever built?

Here’s the cost comparison on a per kilometer basis: Ahmedabad $2.4 million; Dalian (China) $2.6 million; Changzhou (China) $4 million; Guangzhou (China) $4.4 million; Beijing $4.8 million; Bogota $5.3 million; Paris $7 million; and Istanbul $8.8 million.

Before we built the one in Lahore, Istanbul’s was the world’s most expensive. The cost of Lahore Metro came in at $11 million per kilometre. Islamabad Metro then took the first prize at $20 million per kilometer.

Lo and behold, the Peshawar BRT – at $22 million per kilometre – will be the most expensive on the face of the planet.

Imagine; the budget for India’s mission to Mars was $74 million and the Peshawar BRT is going to cost over $600 million. For the record, the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government’s budget for health and education stands at Rs11 billion and Rs18 billion, respectively. Yes, the first PC-1 in 2017 for the BRT was at Rs49.453 billion which was revised upwards to Rs66.437 within just one year (the projected cost now stands at around Rs90 billion).

I might agree with you maybe this particular project isn't corrupt but then its highly incompetent. It's difficult to tell whether we are losing money in projects due to corruption or incompetence of the government because this government is both

 

[uberkoen]

Can you give examples of how its worse? and btw 1rps and 1 billion are not the same, Only a supporter of crooks would think that and it seems that you are? (Remember when you asked for a whole week linking MR property to the Sharifs and when the documents were posted you ran away like your mate)Both are wrong but the guy doing 1rps is most likely to feed his family, a guy doing a billion is looking for a new mansion in Dubai.

How is it worse? Have you seen the ratings? We dropped from 177 to 180 and scored lower points. That's how its worse. I can't believe I literally have to spell this out for you. In the rankings 177 is better than 180 and a score of 33 is better than 32. That's why it's worse.

So, you're saying its okay to be corrupt as long as you're not building a mansion in Dubai?

 

[Bewal Express]

Sorry, I need to correct myself. I just saw on the news that we have been climbing up on the ratings since the last 10 years and this is the first time we have dropped or not have been able to maintain the same as the previous year.

You can make up as many excuses as you want fact of the matter is that the current political party is more or equally corrupt as PMLN and PPP. Moreover, whats astounding is that they haven't even initiated any major projects and still the ratings have dropped.

I'm waiting for the typical PTI response "It's all the fault of the previous regime we haven't had enough time to implement our policies". The world see's whats happening. Stop turning a blind eye. What happened with the whole wheat fiasco. It was corruption and our friend Tareen probably earned millions. What's happening with Peshawer BRT? Moreover, what's happening in Punjab? They can't seem to manage the province.

This government is a failure. They have failed to implement their agenda. It is time your accept that. Every time we have this discussion the only thing I heard from PTI followers was that "at least we're not corrupt" but guess what? You are.

So tell us what happened in the wheat crisis, the Sindh govt didnt have enough wheat and why was that? They stole the wheat, billions worth, the corrupt media jumps on it, people panic and the profiteers use it to make money. I phoned up friends in Bewal, they told me there was no shortage.These are crisis deliberately created by crooks.
Development projects have started but will take time, there was a fear that the checks and balances werent there but you are comparing 30 years of corrupt govt to 1 year. In Punjab alone the govt recovered land worth 100bn, yes you read right. Why couldnt SS do that? That is a hell of lot of money. I gave you a link to the BRT and you ignored, why?

 

[uberkoen]

So tell us what happened in the wheat crisis, the Sindh govt didnt have enough wheat and why was that? They stole the wheat, billions worth, the corrupt media jumps on it, people panic and the profiteers use it to make money. I phoned up friends in Bewal, they told me there was no shortage.These are crisis deliberately created by crooks.
Development projects have started but will take time, there was a fear that the checks and balances werent there but you are comparing 30 years of corrupt govt to 1 year. In Punjab alone the govt recovered land worth 100bn, yes you read right. Why couldnt SS do that? That is a hell of lot of money. I gave you a link to the BRT and you ignored, why?

I have a couple of questions, are you saying that the wheat crisis is only in Sindh? Have you seen how the price of wheat has increased throughout the country? What about the impending sugar crisis? Is the government taking any action to avoid issues?

What you're saying is Sindh government stole the wheat for the entire nation which is why we have a nationwide crisis? Are you for real?

Secondly, you continue to defend the sitting government by providing selective samples. Are you disputing this report? We fell from 117 to 120 which means corruption has increased. If it had stayed the same that would be a different story but the fact is it has increased without any major development projects. You're defending this?

 

[Bewal Express]

I have a couple of questions, are you saying that the wheat crisis is only in Sindh? Have you seen how the price of wheat has increased throughout the country? What about the impending sugar crisis? Is the government taking any action to avoid issues?

What you're saying is Sindh government stole the wheat for the entire nation which is why we have a nationwide crisis? Are you for real?

Secondly, you continue to defend the sitting government by providing selective samples. Are you disputing this report? We fell from 117 to 120 which means corruption has increased. If it had stayed the same that would be a different story but the fact is it has increased without any major development projects. You're defending this?

The wheat crisis was started deliberately by the PPP in Sindh, the corrupt media created panic and as always people panic buy and hence the crisis. The sugar mafia is playing the same games, who owns many of the Sugar Mills, yes you guessed it AZ. Why are these crisis suddenly coming? The mafia at full is in full swing to blackmail the govt. I would impose a super tax on all the profiteers.
I am not disputing the fact, i am disputing the time period. One yr is too small a sample, if at the end of the 5 years it hadnt improved then i would be worried. BTW Why are you running from the MR answer and his links with the SHARIFS? Is it too painful?

 

[Mamoon]

I have a couple of questions, are you saying that the wheat crisis is only in Sindh? Have you seen how the price of wheat has increased throughout the country? What about the impending sugar crisis? Is the government taking any action to avoid issues?

What you're saying is Sindh government stole the wheat for the entire nation which is why we have a nationwide crisis? Are you for real?

Secondly, you continue to defend the sitting government by providing selective samples. Are you disputing this report? We fell from 117 to 120 which means corruption has increased. If it had stayed the same that would be a different story but the fact is it has increased without any major development projects. You're defending this?

If Pakistan would have gone from 117 to 114, it would have been down Imran Khan and PTI. His supporters would be distributing sweets in this thread and congratulating him for “weeding out” corruption.

However, since the ranking well from 117 to 120, it is the previous governments fault.

In short: anything good happens -> credit goes to PTI.

Anything bad happens -> blame goes to PMLN/PPP.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

[/b]

If Pakistan would have gone from 117 to 114, it would have been down Imran Khan and PTI. His supporters would be distributing sweets in this thread and congratulating him for “weeding out” corruption.

However, since the ranking well from 117 to 120, it is the previous governments fault.

In short: anything good happens -> credit goes to PTI.

Anything bad happens -> blame goes to PMLN/PPP.

what is the reason for the prices increase.
For instance, price of Oil was 70 rs, since last year it gone above 100 rs per Lt,
Gold price was 64000 per tola, now close to 94000. etc.

 

[uberkoen]

what is the reason for the prices increase.
For instance, price of Oil was 70 rs, since last year it gone above 100 rs per Lt,
Gold price was 64000 per tola, now close to 94000. etc.

Obviously it's the previous government. PTI has nothing to do with all this.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Obviously it's the previous government. PTI has nothing to do with all this.

really i need to know why so much difference within a year. If anyone can explain that?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

But what about the countless people at the ground level, the ones that deal with you and me? The Dc's who charge an arm and leg for a simple NOC? The shopkeepers who overweigh products?

As the saying goes "Jese log wese hukmaran"

Fixing the top floor can never rectify a shaky foundation.

That saying is fine for everyday chit chat, but to fix those sort of things you need legislation and enforcement. Corruption will only be fixed in third world countries when there is full accountability from national govt down to local level. It's not a small job and will take time.

 

[uberkoen]

The wheat crisis was started deliberately by the PPP in Sindh, the corrupt media created panic and as always people panic buy and hence the crisis. The sugar mafia is playing the same games, who owns many of the Sugar Mills, yes you guessed it AZ. Why are these crisis suddenly coming? The mafia at full is in full swing to blackmail the govt. I would impose a super tax on all the profiteers.
I am not disputing the fact, i am disputing the time period. One yr is too small a sample, if at the end of the 5 years it hadnt improved then i would be worried. BTW Why are you running from the MR answer and his links with the SHARIFS? Is it too painful?

So Jehangir Tareen doesn't own any Sugar Mills? What about Sardar Nasrullah Khan Dreshak? Abbas Sarfaraz Khan?

When will the government start taking accountability and responsibility? Everything that goes wrong is someone else's fault. Where are the mechanisms and controls in place to avoid things like this from happening. Stop blaming others and stop diverting the topic of discussion.

Currently, the topic being discussed is that corruption in Pakistan has increased even though a party was elected on the mandate to decrease corruption within 180 days. Can you please comment on this particular topic rather than talking about everything else?

 

[Mamoon]

what is the reason for the prices increase.
For instance, price of Oil was 70 rs, since last year it gone above 100 rs per Lt,
Gold price was 64000 per tola, now close to 94000. etc.

Devaluation of the rupee because of the $6 billion IMF loan that we received in July. Imran Khan told us that he would rather commit suicide than go to the IMF, and he will ease Pakistan’s financial crisis by recouping the looted wealth from Nawaz.

The fake degree holder Murad Saeed, who is now a federal minister even though he doesn’t have the IQ to pass the exams of an environmental science degree, promised the public that he will recover 200 crore rupees from foreign banks.

So far, he hasn’t recovered a rupee.

When Nawaz left the country without paying a rupee, the PTI stooges in the media cooked up a desperate story that he is going to pay $12b.

That proved to be bogus because he hasn’t and will not pay a dollar.

Hence, because Imran Khan realized that he cannot recover anything from Nawaz and can only make statements, he took a U-turn on his statement regarding IMF, and the devaluation of rupees has had a direct impact on the poor people of Pakistan whose standard of living has dropped in the newly established Madinah welfare state.

Poor mismanagement, false promises and foolish delusions. That is the economic legacy of PTI government.

 

[kk1992]

Devaluation of the rupee because of the $6 billion IMF loan that we received in July. Imran Khan told us that he would rather commit suicide than go to the IMF, and he will ease Pakistan’s financial crisis by recouping the looted wealth from Nawaz.

The fake degree holder Murad Saeed, who is now a federal minister even though he doesn’t have the IQ to pass the exams of an environmental science degree, promised the public that he will recover 200 crore rupees from foreign banks.

So far, he hasn’t recovered a rupee.

When Nawaz left the country without paying a rupee, the PTI stooges in the media cooked up a desperate story that he is going to pay $12b.

That proved to be bogus because he hasn’t and will not pay a dollar.

Hence, because Imran Khan realized that he cannot recover anything from Nawaz and can only make statements, he took a U-turn on his statement regarding IMF, and the devaluation of rupees has had a direct impact on the poor people of Pakistan whose standard of living has dropped in the newly established Madinah welfare state.

Poor mismanagement, false promises and foolish delusions. That is the economic legacy of PTI government.

Rant.

Crying while not explaining why and how.

Highlighting petty and political because that is some how make the person look genuinely concern.

Showing problem but has never provided solution.

A perfect example of attention seeker who has no interest in discussion rather wasting time of others because the person probably has nothing better to do.

 

[uberkoen]

Rant.

Crying while not explaining why and how.

Highlighting petty and political because that is some how make the person look genuinely concern.

Showing problem but has never provided solution.

A perfect example of attention seeker who has no interest in discussion rather wasting time of others because the person probably has nothing better to do.

What an idiotic post. Okay why don’t you explain what happened then

 

[topspin]

PTI's true colours are getting exposed every week. I think it's time for a General Election. Imran khan needs to resign.

 

[kk1992]

If a person continue to ignore this important fact, which was predicted even before NS government was gone, and some made correct decision before the election regarding $ actual value then you are wasting your time discussing with that person.

 

[topspin]

What an idiotic post. Okay why don’t you explain what happened then

I agree with you on IK, but kk1992 is right, you haven't provided one solution (like I have in my above post).

So rather than waffling on, as you do in an Uber for living, utilise your problem solving skills. Thanks.

 

[kk1992]

PTI's true colours are getting exposed every week. I think it's time for a General Election. Imran khan needs to resign.

lol

Based on what criteria your brain cells made you think that?

 

[topspin]

lol

Based on what criteria your brain cells made you think that?

A lot of macroeconomic indicators from currency devaluation, inflation, Purchase Managers Index and etc.

FYI, I'm a Chartered Financial Analyst, so watch your tone before you question my brain cells.

 

[kk1992]

A lot of macroeconomic indicators from currency devaluation, inflation, Purchase Managers Index and etc.

FYI, I'm a Chartered Financial Analyst, so watch your tone before you question my brain cells.

Trump is a President of US, doesn't mean he should be.

 

[uberkoen]

A lot of macroeconomic indicators from currency devaluation, inflation, Purchase Managers Index and etc.

FYI, I'm a Chartered Financial Analyst, so watch your tone before you question my brain cells.

Just because you have a qualification that another 200,000 people have doesn’t make you smart. The solution you provided is pathetic and not practical at all. You make vague statements and keep changing your point of view. Moreover every time you’re proven wrong you resort to personal insults.

I would rather not engage in debate with you because it is a waste of time and very childish but wanted to take this opportunity to point out kk1992 has the correct idea about you.

 

[topspin]

Just because you have a qualification that another 200,000 people have doesn’t make you smart. The solution you provided is pathetic and not practical at all. You make vague statements and keep changing your point of view. Moreover every time you’re proven wrong you resort to personal insults.

I would rather not engage in debate with you because it is a waste of time and very childish but wanted to take this opportunity to point out kk1992 has the correct idea about you.

What personal insults? When have I been proven wrong? When did I change my point of view? This is rich also coming from the king of copy and paste. You don't add any substance whatsoever because you have the intellect of an Uber driver.

I stand by the fact that a General Election is needed.

 

[kk1992]

Not trying to get personal but when a person says, "IK took IMF loans", is the criteria for him to resign then it become extremely difficult to take them seriously and they aren't here to discuss the issue rather here to waste other's time and kill time.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

What personal insults? When have I been proven wrong? When did I change my point of view?

I stand by the fact that a General Election is needed.

I do not think General Election is a solution. No party is formed based on election. Election is our country has no meaning.

 

[kk1992]

What personal insults? When have I been proven wrong? When did I change my point of view? This is rich also coming from the king of copy and paste. You don't add any substance whatsoever because you have the intellect of an Uber driver.

I stand by the fact that a General Election is needed.

Vote him out next election if you are not satisfied.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Not trying to get personal but when a person says, "IK took IMF loans", is the criteria for him to resign then it become extremely difficult to take them seriously and they aren't here to discuss the issue rather here to waste other's time and kill time.

agree but people are saying because something he promised again and again with everyone that he is not gonna do it. When people saw him following other politician's foot step they got disappointed.

 

[topspin]

Vote him out next election if you are not satisfied.

That's if IK can last till the next election lol.

 

[uberkoen]

Not trying to get personal but when a person says, "IK took IMF loans", is the criteria for him to resign then it become extremely difficult to take them seriously and they aren't here to discuss the issue rather here to waste other's time and kill time.

Stop diverting from the topic. Did IK not promise to end corruption in 180 days? Has corruption not increased under his leadership? What do you make of the report from Transparency International.

 

[Bewal Express]

So Jehangir Tareen doesn't own any Sugar Mills? What about Sardar Nasrullah Khan Dreshak? Abbas Sarfaraz Khan?

When will the government start taking accountability and responsibility? Everything that goes wrong is someone else's fault. Where are the mechanisms and controls in place to avoid things like this from happening. Stop blaming others and stop diverting the topic of discussion.

Currently, the topic being discussed is that corruption in Pakistan has increased even though a party was elected on the mandate to decrease corruption within 180 days. Can you please comment on this particular topic rather than talking about everything else?

And they would damage their own govt? lol
And we are discussing corruption and thats why i brought you running away from the Sharifs and MR? What happened? Why did you run away when the link was provided?

 

[topspin]

Not trying to get personal but when a person says, "IK took IMF loans", is the criteria for him to resign then it become extremely difficult to take them seriously and they aren't here to discuss the issue rather here to waste other's time and kill time.

Talking of taking people seriously.

I find it hard to take any politician seriously who says "I'd rather be dead than go to the IMF for loans", but then ends up crying to them for help.

 

[Mamoon]

Stop diverting from the topic. Did IK not promise to end corruption in 180 days? Has corruption not increased under his leadership? What do you make of the report from Transparency International.

90 days, not even 180. Hamid Mir just mentioned it on Capital Talk.

 

[kk1992]

Stop diverting from the topic. Did IK not promise to end corruption in 180 days? Has corruption not increased under his leadership? What do you make of the report from Transparency International.

He did promise, office of PM is not corrupt anymore, have you heard him buying property in Dubai or London? or spending millions just to travel to Davos?

Bigger picture matter.

 

[kk1992]

Talking of taking people seriously.

I find it hard to take any politician seriously who says "I'd rather be dead than go to the IMF for loans", but then ends up crying to them for help.

I am sorry, i am trying to take you not seriously, nothing personal, if you are keep pointing out this repeated and wasted comment while ignoring other facts. Nothing personal.

 

[topspin]

I am sorry, i am trying to take you not seriously, nothing personal, if you are keep pointing out this repeated and wasted comment while ignoring other facts. Nothing personal.

What a pathetic response. You PTI cult followers are a shameful presence of our society.

 

[uberkoen]

And they would damage their own govt? lol
And we are discussing corruption and thats why i brought you running away from the Sharifs and MR? What happened? Why did you run away when the link was provided?

They’re not damaging their own government they are using it to mint money via corruption. Why do you keep referring to that one topic and keep ignoring the discussion we are having in this forum right now.

Back on the topic. Do you agree that corruption under PTI has increased even though they promised to end all corruption in 180 days? Do you agree the government is incompetent due to their inability to handle the wheat and sugar crisis and the whole Punjab governance issue happening right now?

 

[uberkoen]

He did promise, office of PM is not corrupt anymore, have you heard him buying property in Dubai or London? or spending millions just to travel to Davos?

Bigger picture matter.

Bigger picture is the office of PM is incompetent and doesn’t know what’s happening under his own nose. Bigger picture is corruption has increased under a government that was elected on the mandate of ending corruption.

 

[uberkoen]

90 days, not even 180. Hamid Mir just mentioned it on Capital Talk.

Yeah just saw this. They’re playing the clip

 

[kk1992]

What a pathetic response. You PTI cult followers are a shameful presence of our society.

I'm sorry, again.

It seems you are trying the Mamoon's approach, where he says this back then and now saying this then we must ask for election, or enter whatever words (army, pakistan bad, unfortunate to born in Pakistan), it is a waste of time.

Just this simple fact, because it is a huge fact and matter the most as most of the world economy is depended on this fact.

Why did NS government kept $ artificially devalued?

 

[Mamoon]

He did promise, office of PM is not corrupt anymore, have you heard him buying property in Dubai or London? or spending millions just to travel to Davos?

Bigger picture matter.

If he is not corrupt why is he running from the foreign funding case? Why is he demanding secrecy in investigations?

An honest person doesn’t demand secrecy because he has nothing to hide. If Imran was honest, he would show all the findings to the public and reinforce the belief that he is not corrupt.

 

[Bewal Express]

They’re not damaging their own government they are using it to mint money via corruption. Why do you keep referring to that one topic and keep ignoring the discussion we are having in this forum right now.

Back on the topic. Do you agree that corruption under PTI has increased even though they promised to end all corruption in 180 days? Do you agree the government is incompetent due to their inability to handle the wheat and sugar crisis and the whole Punjab governance issue happening right now?

Do you have a source ? How much of the Sugar Industry do they own? It seems that you are just desperate after your humiliation over the MR and the Sharifs Mayfair corruption to pin something on the Govt

 

[Bewal Express]

If he is not corrupt why is he running from the foreign funding case? Why is he demanding secrecy in investigations?

An honest person doesn’t demand secrecy because he has nothing to hide. If Imran was honest, he would show all the findings to the public and reinforce the belief that he is not corrupt.

Tell us why the Nooras only had one A4 sheet of paper? What happened to your friends the PPP and their reply?

 

[topspin]

I'm sorry, again.

It seems you are trying the Mamoon's approach, where he says this back then and now saying this then we must ask for election, or enter whatever words (army, pakistan bad, unfortunate to born in Pakistan), it is a waste of time.

Just this simple fact, because it is a huge fact and matter the most as most of the world economy is depended on this fact.

Why did NS government kept $ artificially devalued?

Short-term devaluation under NS isn't the same as the perpetual devaluation that Pakistan is experiencing under IK's leadership.

 

[Mamoon]

Tell us why the Nooras only had one A4 sheet of paper? What happened to your friends the PPP and their reply?

But Imran is a self-appointed messiah who claimed that accountability will start with him. So where is that accountability?

Let Imran live up to his promise, prove his honesty and then we will get to PPP.

 

[uberkoen]

Do you have a source ? How much of the Sugar Industry do they own? It seems that you are just desperate after your humiliation over the MR and the Sharifs Mayfair corruption to pin something on the Govt

Abbas Sarfaraz is the owner of five out of six sugar mills in the NWFP. Nasrullah Khan Dareshak owns Indus Sugar Mills while Jahangir Khan Tareen has two sugar mills; JDW Sugar Mills and United Sugar Mills. Pattoki Sugar Mills is owned by Mian Mohammad Azhar.

There was nothing in the Mayfair case. No legal proceedings against the Sharif's no link to Sharif's other than the fact that they previously owned the property. Stop bringing that up again and again and answer the questions posed earlier.

Do you agree that corruption under PTI has increased even though they promised to end all corruption in 90 days? Do you agree the government is incompetent due to their inability to handle the wheat and sugar crisis and the whole Punjab governance issue happening right now?

 

[pakistanisgreat]

if previous government kept $ artificially devalued. then i think Musharaf done the same thing. Dollar was constant at around 60. price were not increasing. Then PPP took over and all of sudden $ increase and prices.

i think our public is willing to take artificially devalued.

 

[uberkoen]

Tell us why the Nooras only had one A4 sheet of paper? What happened to your friends the PPP and their reply?

I don't understand your point. Are you deliberately not commenting on the topic thinking people will forget about it and move on to something else? Or are you trying to make a point that PMLN was just as corrupt?

 

[kk1992]

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Short-term devaluation under NS isn't the same as the perpetual devaluation that Pakistan is experiencing under IK's leadership.

lol, at short term.

I am wasting time here.

 

[uberkoen]

Amazing how staunch supporters like [MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION] and [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] are staying away from this thread

 

[Abdullah719]

[/B]

Short-term devaluation under NS isn't the same as the perpetual devaluation that Pakistan is experiencing under IK's leadership.

Govt injected $7b to keep rupee overvalued in recent years

The PML-N government has pumped $7 billion into defending the overvalued rupee against the US dollar in recent years, claimed a member of the Economic Advisory Council (EAC) while seeking action against the people responsible for the spending.

Neither State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) Governor Tariq Bajwa nor Adviser to Prime Minister on Finance Dr Miftah Ismail contested the claim made by Dr Abid Hasan during an EAC meeting held early this month, a member of the EAC confided to The Express Tribune. Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi chaired the meeting.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1691123/2-govt-injected-7b-keep-rupee-overvalued-recent-years/

That's quite a lot of $$$s gone down the drain.

 

[Bewal Express]

I don't understand your point. Are you deliberately not commenting on the topic thinking people will forget about it and move on to something else? Or are you trying to make a point that PMLN was just as corrupt?

You want me to say they are corrupt and i believe they are not. If at the end of the 5 years things are the same or worse, i will believe you. You on the other hand have had 30 years of evidence at hand and you look for excuse after excuse. You spent a week telling us that there was no evidence that MR and the Sharifs were one of the same on the flats and when the evidence was provided you ran away. Care to comment on that?

 

[uberkoen]

You want me to say they are corrupt and i believe they are not. If at the end of the 5 years things are the same or worse, i will believe you. You on the other hand have had 30 years of evidence at hand and you look for excuse after excuse. You spent a week telling us that there was no evidence that MR and the Sharifs were one of the same on the flats and when the evidence was provided you ran away. Care to comment on that?

So you’re saying the report is incorrect? You’re saying the fact that we had been improving on corruption for the past 10 years only to recede this year is all made up and not real?

 

[Bewal Express]

Govt injected $7b to keep rupee overvalued in recent years

The PML-N government has pumped $7 billion into defending the overvalued rupee against the US dollar in recent years, claimed a member of the Economic Advisory Council (EAC) while seeking action against the people responsible for the spending.

Neither State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) Governor Tariq Bajwa nor Adviser to Prime Minister on Finance Dr Miftah Ismail contested the claim made by Dr Abid Hasan during an EAC meeting held early this month, a member of the EAC confided to The Express Tribune. Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi chaired the meeting.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1691123/2-govt-injected-7b-keep-rupee-overvalued-recent-years/

That's quite a lot of $$$s gone down the drain.

That is not only corrupt, it is the incompetence of the highest order. It has led to long term structural damage to local industries and led to unsustainable import fuelled growth. Anyone that has any knowledge of even basic Political economics knows that IK has been badly hit politically but still hasnt shied away from the toughest economic decisions. Decisions that the crooks that created the mess should have taken but didnt have the balls!

 

[Bewal Express]

So you’re saying the report is incorrect? You’re saying the fact that we had been improving on corruption for the past 10 years only to recede this year is all made up and not real?

I am saying the sample of one year is too early too judge. What i do know is that IK is honest, something that you cannot ever claim for your crooks.

 

[uberkoen]

I am saying the sample of one year is too early too judge. What i do know is that IK is honest, something that you cannot ever claim for your crooks.

Okay can you tell me what the report indicates. What does a falling ranking and score indicate compared to the progress made over the last 10 years?

 

[Mamoon]

I am saying the sample of one year is too early too judge. What i do know is that IK is honest, something that you cannot ever claim for your crooks.

But it wouldn’t have been too early to judge if Pakistan’s ranking would have improved. You think you are fooling people but you aren’t. Everyone can see that you are slave to your sad devotion to your cult-leader.

 

[Mamoon]

The bottom-line is that for all the big talk, all the promises, all the expletives, all the insults,

Pakistan is more corrupt under PTI than it was previously. It couldn’t get more embarrassing for PTI.

Imran and PTI supporters deserve this humiliation.

 

[uberkoen]

I am saying the sample of one year is too early too judge. What i do know is that IK is honest, something that you cannot ever claim for your crooks.

One year is too early? He made claims about ending corruption in 90 days how is one year too early?

 

[srh]

The Berlin-based non-profit releases the index every year, ranking 180 countries and territories by their perceived levels of public sector corruption, according to experts and business people. Pakistan was ranked at the 117th place for the years 2017 and 2018.

The country scored 32/100 on the CPI in 2018 and 32/100 in 2017. Although the score of Pakistan on the index has not changed at all compared to the past year, the changes in the CPI score of other countries on the list resulted in Pakistan falling down the ranking.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/268720-transparency-to-release-2019-corruption-perception-index-today

So, no change.

In Imran Khan's rule the corruption should have decreased. That was his #1 motto. Now it appears that he failed to decrease corruption.

 

[Bewal Express]

Okay can you tell me what the report indicates. What does a falling ranking and score indicate compared to the progress made over the last 10 years?

"On the corruption index of the World Economic Forum’s recent report, the ranking of Pakistan slipped from 99 to 101. The corruption index ranking dropped because of registration of more corruption related cases". Can you explain this quote?