Report does not reflect increase in corruption: Transparency International [Update Post #182]

[Bewal Express]

In Imran Khan's rule the corruption should have decreased. That was his #1 motto. Now it appears that he failed to decrease corruption.

"On the corruption index of the World Economic Forum’s recent report, the ranking of Pakistan slipped from 99 to 101. The corruption index ranking dropped because of registration of more corruption related cases"

 

[srh]

"On the corruption index of the World Economic Forum’s recent report, the ranking of Pakistan slipped from 99 to 101. The corruption index ranking dropped because of registration of more corruption related cases"

Thats not what [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] was saying in his post; he said no change

 

[uberkoen]

"On the corruption index of the World Economic Forum’s recent report, the ranking of Pakistan slipped from 99 to 101. The corruption index ranking dropped because of registration of more corruption related cases". Can you explain this quote?

Firstly this is from October last year secondly this is one of the 8 reports that forms the corruption index which means it is one of the measures but not the ultimate measure.

If you read the report in detail you will see all the other metrics as well. Don’t try to deviate the topic by misquoting and picking out random things which are not even in context.

 

[Bewal Express]

Firstly this is from October last year secondly this is one of the 8 reports that forms the corruption index which means it is one of the measures but not the ultimate measure.

If you read the report in detail you will see all the other metrics as well. Don’t try to deviate the topic by misquoting and picking out random things which are not even in context.

October last year is very recent. Please explain what they meant?

 

[uberkoen]

October last year is very recent. Please explain what they meant?

This is one of the eight reports that forms the basis of the corruption perception index. This is not from the corruption perception index please understand the difference between the two.

 

[Bewal Express]

This is one of the eight reports that forms the basis of the corruption perception index. This is not from the corruption perception index please understand the difference between the two.

I have asked you to explain why in this report PK dropped, why are you running. You have been on about it all day, hopping to get one over me after your MR and Sharifs humiliation. As this part of the data, please explain this quote?

 

[uberkoen]

This is one of the eight reports that forms the basis of the corruption perception index. This is not from the corruption perception index please understand the difference between the two.

Sorry one of 13 not 8

 

[Bewal Express]

Sorry one of 13 not 8

But i am waiting for you to explain the quote as its one of the the things that has been used. Surely you can back up your assertion that the PTI is more corrupt.

 

[uberkoen]

But i am waiting for you to explain the quote as its one of the the things that has been used. Surely you can back up your assertion that the PTI is more corrupt.

Okay, firstly good to know that you're at least discussing the topic now. Secondly, it is not my assertion. This is exactly what the CPI indicates. It indicates the level of corruption in a country during a specific year if your ranking and score worsens it means corruption within that country has increased. These are the basics.

The Transparency International globally uses 13 different data sources to construct the Corruption Perceptions Index. However, in the case of Pakistan surveys of eight international organizations are considered which include Bertelsmann Stiftung Transformation Index; Economist Intelligence Unit Country Risk Service; Global Insight Country Risk Ratings; IMD World Competitiveness Center World Competitiveness Yearbook Executive Opinion Survey; World Bank Country Policy and Institutional Assessment; World Economic Forum Executive Opinion Survey; World Justice Project Rule of Law Index; and Varieties of Democracy.

Your quote is from an article published in local news paper about the report from World Economic Forum and it is referenced to a source. However, the report has been published and so you don't need a random source you can go directly to the specific report and read it. Link is provided below

http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_TheGlobalCompetitivenessReport2019.pdf

Pakistan's profile is on page 446.

The indicator that is being referred to in the news report that you quoted is Incidence of corruption and not registration of corruption related cases. This indicator is defined as follows (page 616 of the same report)

Incidence of corruption
Score on the Corruption Perceptions Index, which measures
perceptions of corruption in the public sector. This is a
composite indicator, and the scale ranges from 0 (highly
corrupt) to 100 (very clean)

The index aggregates data from a number of different sources
that provide perceptions of business people and country experts
of the level of corruption in the public sector. More details about
the methodology can be found at https://www.transparency.org/
cpi.

Source: Transparency International, Corruption Perceptions Index
2018 (https://www.transparency.org/cpi2018).

 

[uberkoen]

But i am waiting for you to explain the quote as its one of the the things that has been used. Surely you can back up your assertion that the PTI is more corrupt.

I hope the above answers your question. Now, can you please answer my questions asked earlier?

 

[Bewal Express]

One year is too early? He made claims about ending corruption in 90 days how is one year too early?

He has ended the corruption in the leadership of the country- he isnt corrupt. He hasnt succeeded in ending corruption in the country. It will take time.

 

[Bewal Express]

I hope the above answers your question. Now, can you please answer my questions asked earlier?

btw
When are you going to answer and stop running from the MR and the Sharifs link? You asked for the evidence for a week, it was given to you and you disappeared. Dont you think that is linked to corruption?

 

[pakistanisgreat]

He has ended the corruption in the leadership of the country- he isnt corrupt. He hasnt succeeded in ending corruption in the country. It will take time.

if he is not corrupt that does not mean entire leadership is clean? plus case against him is not settled yet therefore one can not say he is not corrupt.

 

[uberkoen]

He has ended the corruption in the leadership of the country- he isnt corrupt. He hasnt succeeded in ending corruption in the country. It will take time.

This has been discussed a million times he might be clean but his entire team are filled with the same old people who were and still ate corrupt.

Constantly PTI followers told us that if the leadership is good then people will fall in like but obviously this Isn’t happening and based on this report corruption is getting worse.

When will PTI followers and leaders stand up and admit to this mistake? When will IK admit that his elections promises were not realistic.

 

[uberkoen]

He has ended the corruption in the leadership of the country- he isnt corrupt. He hasnt succeeded in ending corruption in the country. It will take time.

Also what do you refer to as the leadership of the country and what proof do you have that he had ended corruption in the leadership of the country?

 

[Bewal Express]

Also what do you refer to as the leadership of the country and what proof do you have that he had ended corruption in the leadership of the country?

As you are making the assertion that he hasnt, can you show me any properties IK has brought, or any Swiss bank accounts, or Iqamas in the UAE?

 

[Bewal Express]

This has been discussed a million times he might be clean but his entire team are filled with the same old people who were and still ate corrupt.

Constantly PTI followers told us that if the leadership is good then people will fall in like but obviously this Isn’t happening and based on this report corruption is getting worse.

When will PTI followers and leaders stand up and admit to this mistake? When will IK admit that his elections promises were not realistic.

Election promises are never realistic- just imagine him saying to uneducated population i will be forced to put up electric prices because the Exchange rate has been overvalued and that has led to bankruptcy.

 

[Mamoon]

He has ended the corruption in the leadership of the country- he isnt corrupt. He hasnt succeeded in ending corruption in the country. It will take time.

So why is he running from the FF case? Why is he demanding secrecy in investigations?

Before you circle back to PPP and PMLN, Imran Khan said that accountability will start with him. So when will it start?

 

[Savak]

Lol why are the typical Noora's raising a hue and cry here when they have proudly said on many occasions that corruption is not a cause of concern in any form?

So it selectively becomes a cause of concern when only the PTI is in power but not when the PML N and PPP are in power?

 

[ManFan]

Imran Khan sacrificed his ideals for the PM post.

He is reaping his rewards and it will only become more transparent that he is an incapable governor.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol why are the typical Noora's raising a hue and cry here when they have proudly said on many occasions that corruption is not a cause of concern in any form?

So it selectively becomes a cause of concern when only the PTI is in power but not when the PML N and PPP are in power?

It is still not a concern. There is hue and cry among the public and the media because this a clear failure of Imran’s governance.

Imran and his supporters couldn’t have emphasized more on the ills of corruption and how it is the root of all evil in Pakistan, but it appears that Imran couldn’t even get a grip on the one thing that mattered most to him.

This is nothing but unequivocal proof of his complete failure as PM. His entire political career centered around his belief that corruption is the biggest roadblock for Pakistan, but the country is now more corrupt than it was previously.

He is either completely incompetent or a con-artist who has fooled the public.

We are now 18 months into his tenure and it has been an abject failure. Four things stand out:

(1) corruption has increased on his watch

(2) Nawaz walked out of jail and left the country without paying a penny

(3) Imran has not been able to recover a single penny of the looted wealth that he promised.

(4) the poor people are facing the brunt of his economic reforms like never before. Pakistan has always been a hard country for the destitute, but things have never been this hard for them.

The writing is on the wall for Imran. Sooner or later, he will be given the marching orders by his masters.

Rhetorical speeches and tweets will not save him. Politics is all about perception - The perception of Naya Pakistan was shattered today because of the rise in corruption.

Imran has no credibility left because he failed at the one thing that he promised, i.e. ending corruption.

 

[CricketDon]

On a serious note, it is quite clear that corruption has increased under PTI. Let’s look at Peshawar, the provincial capital that they have been ruling for 7 years with zero achievements.

They have spent billions on the BRT but it is a disaster. It is looks it will never be up and running and the government is trying to make sure that people forget about it.

By the far the most failed metro bus project in Pakistan. It is obvious that those billions have ended in some pockets.

We need to understand that corruption is not a problem for PTI. It is only a problem when it is done by PMLN or PPP. Corruption by PTI is halal.

Jahangir Tareen, a certified fraud who has been disqualified by Supreme Court, is still actively involved in the party and used his black money to buy the loyalties of independents.

If Imran Khan did not intend to fool the public and had any credibility, he would have cut all ties with him after the judicial verdict and should not have associated his party with him in any form.

However, his black money funded his election campaign and his dharnas so he has to keep him happy.

In addition, his 22-23 year old son, who just graduated from university, has now used his father’s black money to invest in the Multan franchise in PSL. Is this Naya Pakistan?

Imagine the outrage and the expletives if the son of a corrupt PMLN or PPP politician buys a PSL team.

Furthermore, let’s not forget how Imran himself has been running from his foreign funding case and his party has demanded secrecy in investigations. If he has nothing to hide, why demand secrecy?

He should be using these allegations to his advantage and further solidify the notion that he is honest. However, he is not doing that because he has skeletons in the closet.

PTI is the most incompetent, immoral, corrupt and fake government this country has ever seen. Never before have such classless street urchins been imposed on the nation.

You have 10th graders serving as education minister, fake degree holders in federal ministries, a lawyer as the Science and Technology minister and the likes of Firdous Awan and Sheikh Rasheed handling information and railway.

The icing on the cake is of course a former PPP finance minister as the financial advisor to Imran Khan.

The same PPP whose economic performance and corruption have been criticized by Imran Khan for years.

The finance minister who either facilitated the corruption of Zardari and co, or was unaware of what they were doing, which is probably worse, is now going to steer the economy of Pakistan in the right direction.

The wisdom and the intelligence of this joker government is amusing. Nevertheless, even the darkest clouds have a silver lining.

This reign of terror and this circus shall pass and normalcy will be restored. The only question is, how will these PTI jokers live in the society as normal people?

+1 post of the week worthy. Brilliant insight. None will respond with anything logical or critically breakdown and respond with facts and evidence

 

[kk1992]

It is still not a concern. There is hue and cry among the public and the media because this a clear failure of Imran’s governance.

Imran and his supporters couldn’t have emphasized more on the ills of corruption and how it is the root of all evil in Pakistan, but it appears that Imran couldn’t even get a grip on the one thing that mattered most to him.

This is nothing but unequivocal proof of his complete failure as PM. His entire political career centered around his belief that corruption is the biggest roadblock for Pakistan, but the country is now more corrupt than it was previously.

He is either completely incompetent or a con-artist who has fooled the public.

We are now 18 months into his tenure and it has been an abject failure. Four things stand out:

(1) corruption has increased on his watch

no
(2) Nawaz walked out of jail and left the country without paying a penny
sooner or later, it was bound to happen.
(3) Imran has not been able to recover a single penny of the looted wealth that he promised.
No one could have.
(4) the poor people are facing the brunt of his economic reforms like never before. Pakistan has always been a hard country for the destitute, but things have never been this hard for them.
None of them are economy reforms, those are correct steps that should have been taken long time ago.
The writing is on the wall for Imran. Sooner or later, he will be given the marching orders by his masters.

Rhetorical speeches and tweets will not save him. Politics is all about perception - The perception of Naya Pakistan was shattered today because of the rise in corruption.

Imran has no credibility left because he failed at the one thing that he promised, i.e. ending corruption.

Rest is just rant again, which is "let me highlight problems because I can't think of solutions to the problem that I understand was created by previous government looting and steps taken by current government are necessary for long term solutions"

Carry on.

 

[Napa]

what is the reason for the prices increase.
For instance, price of Oil was 70 rs, since last year it gone above 100 rs per Lt,
Gold price was 64000 per tola, now close to 94000. etc.

really i need to know why so much difference within a year. If anyone can explain that?

The price of gold is set in the international market in dollars as that is where most of the trading occurs. As the Pakistani Rupee depreciated against the dollar by about 25%, it would have resulted in the price of gold increasing in Pakistani Rupees. The rest of the change may simply be due to a rise in the international dollar price.

 

[uberkoen]

As you are making the assertion that he hasnt, can you show me any properties IK has brought, or any Swiss bank accounts, or Iqamas in the UAE?

Again, silly talk. Can you tell me how having a Swiss bank account or an Iqama equates to corruption. You don't need either of those to be corrupt. Who is benefiting most from the increase in sugar pricing? Who benefited the most from exporting wheat and then importing it again? Why is Jehangir Tareen attending government meetings on agricultural issues?

 

[uberkoen]

Election promises are never realistic- just imagine him saying to uneducated population i will be forced to put up electric prices because the Exchange rate has been overvalued and that has led to bankruptcy.

So, you're agreeing that he is a liar who defrauded the nation and under him corruption has increased as well as the fact that the government itself is incompetent as seen from the recent crises as well as the administrative issues we see in Punjab.

 

[uberkoen]

Lol why are the typical Noora's raising a hue and cry here when they have proudly said on many occasions that corruption is not a cause of concern in any form?

So it selectively becomes a cause of concern when only the PTI is in power but not when the PML N and PPP are in power?

No hue and cry just confirming to our PTI friends that Imran and PTI is just as corrupt if not worse than PML-N and well, way more incompetent.

 

[Bigboii]

For a start it takes time for development projects to be visible. You see 30 years of Noora projects against a govt thats been in power for 1.5 yrs. And it seems that your starting point is that people have to be corrupt to do any project, why should that be the case?

Nah I am making fun of PTI that they are so stupid and incompetent that they can't even do proper corruption and make money that can be made from devolpment projects, I didn't mean that you have to be corrupt in order to do devolpment but just that unlike previous gov who did corruption from these projects these new ministers are so stupid they can't find ways to do corruption

Yeah am just tired of thier stupidity and thier moronic behavior

 

[Technics 1210]

Dropped 3 points? The Pakistani economy is improving; this is to be expected. Anyway, why is this an issue to those who believe a corrupt government is better than an incompetent government?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Transparency International measures corruption on a score of 0 to 100, with the higher the score the more clean the government is.

From 33 in 2018 Pakistan dropped to 32 in 2019. We are talking about one point difference. For all intents and purposes Pakistan in 2019 is just as corrupt as it was in 2018. A point difference is not a huge deal.

Lets see where the score will be in 2023 when IK term ends.

 

[MenInG]

No hue and cry just confirming to our PTI friends that Imran and PTI is just as corrupt if not worse than PML-N and well, way more incompetent.

You know that statement means nothing bro. This is a whole new argument.

 

[uberkoen]

Dropped 3 points? The Pakistani economy is improving; this is to be expected. Anyway, why is this an issue to those who believe a corrupt government is better than an incompetent government?

What? So, just because the economy is supposedly improving (which its not) we are okay with increased corruption? What sort of twisted logic is that?

As for your second point this is an issue for those people because they were okay with a corrupt government as long as it was competent. This one is neither.

 

[uberkoen]

Transparency International measures corruption on a score of 0 to 100, with the higher the score the more clean the government is.

From 33 in 2018 Pakistan dropped to 32 in 2019. We are talking about one point difference. For all intents and purposes Pakistan in 2019 is just as corrupt as it was in 2018. A point difference is not a huge deal.

Lets see where the score will be in 2023 when IK term ends.

Would this have been your reaction had we improved in rankings? Pathetic and two faced approached to a problem. This is the first time in 10 years we have dropped in rankings so it is a huge deal. What you're saying is that you're okay with the increasing corruption.

If you're okay with the increasing corruption then go ahead and say that don't sugar coat it.

 

[uberkoen]

You know that statement means nothing bro. This is a whole new argument.

It is a whole new argument indeed however it is clear for all to see what is happening with the wheat issue and the sugar issue. What's happening in Punjab with the constant changes in bureaucracy and the issues within the parties own management team and now this is also happening in KPK with a forward bloc being setup against the current CM. The inept handling of Gen Bajwa case. Removal of Asad Umar who was touted as the face of PTI's economic and financial reforms after only 6 months.

The pricing of common commodities and the inflation is also there for everyone to see.

Let's not even go into the whole 350 dams, 10 million jobs and corruption to end in 90 days issue.

These are all examples of gross incompetence and there is absolutely no denying it.

 

[uberkoen]

I don't get the double standards here.

For those who are saying what the big deal is, would you be okay with the rankings and scoring dropping under PMLN? If not, then check your double standards and accept the truth.

 

[Bewal Express]

So, you're agreeing that he is a liar who defrauded the nation and under him corruption has increased as well as the fact that the government itself is incompetent as seen from the recent crises as well as the administrative issues we see in Punjab.

In politics you share your vision and most times you get never get anywhere near achieving it, compare that to the vision of your crooks- big mansions and their families stealing forever- It doesnt say much for your intelligence or morals if that is the level you are willing to accept.
The guy has been amazing for PK, he has restored some pride internationally and has done a good job in incredibly difficult circumstances. You are confusing IK with your friends in London( btw why are you running from the evidence provided to you about the link between MR and the Sharifs). Does that make you a fraud and a liar? Because you asked for the evidence and then ran!

 

[Bewal Express]

I don't get the double standards here.

For those who are saying what the big deal is, would you be okay with the rankings and scoring dropping under PMLN? If not, then check your double standards and accept the truth.

So you think the PML is anything other than a family Business?

 

[Bewal Express]

It is a whole new argument indeed however it is clear for all to see what is happening with the wheat issue and the sugar issue. What's happening in Punjab with the constant changes in bureaucracy and the issues within the parties own management team and now this is also happening in KPK with a forward bloc being setup against the current CM. The inept handling of Gen Bajwa case. Removal of Asad Umar who was touted as the face of PTI's economic and financial reforms after only 6 months.

The pricing of common commodities and the inflation is also there for everyone to see.

Let's not even go into the whole 350 dams, 10 million jobs and corruption to end in 90 days issue.

These are all examples of gross incompetence and there is absolutely no denying it.

And borrowing $64bn in 10 years is a sign of competence? Wasting $6bn on defending the overvalued Rp is competence? Exports dropping to $23bn and imports rising to $55bn is competence? Having your Finance Minister escape from justice is competence? Having the most of the family runoff from PK is a sign of competence? Having the NS treated in London when he has been PM 3 times and couldnt build a hospital is competence? Keep the jokes coming!

 

[MenInG]

Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on Information Dr Firdous Ashiq Awan on Friday stated that the government has rejected the findings of the "managed" and "biased" report by Transparency International (TI).

Spoiler

Addressing a press conference in Islamabad on Friday, Awan said: "There is a huge question mark over the transparency of TI. It is necessary to expose the people and the data, on the basis of which this this report was published, in front of the public.

"It is our fault that we did not fawn over the head of TI's Pakistan chapter and allowed him to retire after the expiry of his term," said Awan. This is contrary to what the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) did which explains why the reports during their term were so favourable, she added.

"Who will respect the findings of a report that says the most amount of corruption was done during the government of Gen Pervez Musharraf, followed by Imran Khan’s government and then by the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), placing the PML-N government at the very bottom?

"The findings of the report are laugh worthy. The clean chit given to the 'corruption kings' who are currently under trial in the country’s courts makes it evident that the report is not fair, fair or transparent.

"It is biased."

The PM's aide maintained that those who have fled the country are trying to spread ill will among the people the prime minister has chosen to lead the fight against corruption.

"Prime Minister Imran Khan is adamant on fulfilling the mandate given to him by the people. We will keep on working to provide the people a country free of corruption.

"‘Corruption kings’ are using this report as a tool to hide their sins, but they will be disappointed. Moody’s and other international agencies have not only recognised an improvement in the country’s economic indicators but have also appreciated the efforts being taken by the government."

Commenting on Imran’s recent trip to Davos, Switzerland to attend the World Economic Forum, Awan stated: “The prime minister’s meetings with global leaders and tech firms and their wishes to invest in the country show that the world has decided to walk shoulder-to-shoulder with Pakistan.”

"The world recognises the credibility of the current government. Such reports will not succeed in deceiving the world.

"The one thing that should be taken away from the index is that the money recovered during the past one year is more than that recovered during the past ten years.

"Instead of highlighting TI’s report, the ‘corruption kings’ should inform the people about Nawaz Sharif’s platelet count."

Calling our Dr Adnan Khan, Awan said: “He used to inform us about Nawaz’s platelet count every two hours, four hours. Now, when they are in a country with the best and latest healthcare facilities, there is radio silence.”

“We think this is a managed report and the PTI has never issued such reports by ‘managing’ people.

"The people have understood that when you are saying that corruption fell during the rule of these two parties, you are making a joke. The people will not own any report which calls Sindh corruption free or says that it was the lowest during the government of PML-N.

"We will continue with our efforts towards taking Pakistan towards progress and prosperity. Such reports will never deter us from our path," she concluded.

Opposition terms report ‘charge-sheet’ against govt
On Thursday, major opposition parties had termed the report a “charge-sheet” against the PTI government saying the report had “badly exposed” Imran's claims about his government’s actions against corruption.

“The TI report is a certificate of failure of the Naya Pakistan project,” PML-N Information Secretary Marriyum Aurangzeb had said in a statement. “The report has confirmed that the level and amount of corruption committed by Imran Khan’s government in the past 16 months is more than any government in the entire past decade.”

This report, she had said, was a “slap in the face” of the government as it had exposed all its lies about anti-corruption measures and good governance.

“Imran Khan, who has already been proven incompetent, liar and incapable in the country, has now received an award from an international institution,” Aurangzeb had said in her statement.

She had said Imran had defiled Pakistan globally by calling its governments corrupt and today the world finally found out that “the chief of all corruption is Imran himself”.

If Imran Khan had any moral courage, he should now say the same thing he so vehemently used to say about others that “the country has a corruption problem because the government is a bunch of thieves and looters”, she had said.

The report, she had said, was an eye-opener and an answer to those who used to justify Imran Khan by saying that he was “authoritarian, incompetent and takes massive U-turns and lies but he is not corrupt”. She had said the TI report had endorsed the PML-N’s narrative that the PTI government was looting the country with both hands.

She had added that the report proved that the real reason behind imprisoning PML-N leaders, who had served the nation, was to keep them away while “Imran and his corrupt regime empty the national treasury with unprecedented corruption”.

“From Peshawar Metro to Billion Tree Tsunami to the wheat crisis, the sugar crisis, Rs11,000 billion loans and corruption of writing off friends’ billions have all been published by the TI,” she had said.

Meanwhile, Parliamentary leader of the PPP in the Senate Sherry Rehman in her statement had said the TI report had exposed the so-called accountability process in the country. She said the curtain was about to lift from the corruption committed in the projects of Malam Jabba, Peshawar BRT and other such scams.

Instead of eliminating the corruption, she said, the government would create new records of corruption.

JI chief Senator Sirajul Haq had also talked about the TI report while addressing an Ulema convention at Mansoora. He said the report must be an eye opener for the prime minister who had made tall claims to start a ruthless and across-the-board accountability drive and introduce reforms in governance during his election campaign.

The JI chief wondered how the objective of “clean Pakistan” could be achieved when the ministers were involved in wrongdoings and openly blaming each other of making money through corruption.

Haq had said the decline of the country’s position in democracy index reflected the PTI’s inability to run the government on democratic principles. He said the fragile democracy, corruption, inflation and unemployment had become the trademarks of this government, adding the overall situation had made the masses desperate and hopeless and they wanted to get rid of these rulers at any cost.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1530290/govt-rejects-biased-transparency-international-corruption-report

 

[uberkoen]

So you think the PML is anything other than a family Business?

Again, you don't answer any of the questions posed and come back with another question completely changing the discussion. My question is a simple yes or no question. Answer it and I will provide you with the answers you seek

 

[Bewal Express]

Again, you don't answer any of the questions posed and come back with another question completely changing the discussion. My question is a simple yes or no question. Answer it and I will provide you with the answers you seek

What is your question- you seem to desperate to avoid your humiliation over MR and the Sharifs where you kept asking the question and when the evidence was provided you disappeared with your tail between your legs.

 

[Technics 1210]

What? So, just because the economy is supposedly improving (which its not) we are okay with increased corruption? What sort of twisted logic is that?

As for your second point this is an issue for those people because they were okay with a corrupt government as long as it was competent. This one is neither.

Where did I say we are ok with increased corruption?

 

[Technics 1210]

The list is not accurate anyway. There's more corruption in China, USA, Russia, and UK!

 

[IMMY69]

I don't get the double standards here.

For those who are saying what the big deal is, would you be okay with the rankings and scoring dropping under PMLN? If not, then check your double standards and accept the truth.

I think you should come out and state that PMLN and PPP are corrupt to the core and have helped destroy Pakistan's economy and as such are complicit in the murder of thousands of innocent people and that YOU do not support these people and their political parties.

Once you do this then we can start a debate on a report by Transparency International, that is if you really do want to hang your hat in something like this.

 

[Syed1]

Some people have gone so overboard in their worship of Sharif khandaan that they will even celebrate bad news about Pakistan because it shows IK in bad light. With Pakistanis like these who needs enemies.


Like I've said before a hundred good men die for a single patwari to be born.

 

[Syed1]

"Corruption ka bani patwari" is top trend in Pakistan.


Patwaris should realize that Pakistanis are not as dumb as them, everybody can see through this farce of "corruption perception".... whose perception it is? Perception can vary from person to person. Transparency International used to run riot during PPP government and then Noora gave job to its MD in the PM house therefore it was completely silent during Noora government, now the patwari MD is back to his corrupt ways.

Don't believe me? Listen to this video.

The mafia is fighting back with full force.

 

[Syed1]

Credibility of Transparency International )


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So according to TI <br><br>Musharraf was most corrupt followed by Pti then Zardari and Mashallah maa sadqay jayee doodh kay dhulay woh hain jin ki London to kia Pakistan main bhi koi property nahin &#55357;&#56861;&#55357;&#56861;&#55357;&#56861;&#55357;&#56861;&#55357;&#56861; <a href="https://t.co/ja1f5Rwoxq">https://t.co/ja1f5Rwoxq</a></p>— Dr. Shahbaz GiLL (@SHABAZGIL) <a href="https://twitter.com/SHABAZGIL/status/1220289871425822722?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Bewal Express]

Again, you don't answer any of the questions posed and come back with another question completely changing the discussion. My question is a simple yes or no question. Answer it and I will provide you with the answers you seek

Can you tell us more about the MD of the TI in PK?

 

[Bewal Express]

"Corruption ka bani patwari" is top trend in Pakistan.


Patwaris should realize that Pakistanis are not as dumb as them, everybody can see through this farce of "corruption perception".... whose perception it is? Perception can vary from person to person. Transparency International used to run riot during PPP government and then Noora gave job to its MD in the PM house therefore it was completely silent during Noora government, now the patwari MD is back to his corrupt ways.

Don't believe me? Listen to this video.

The mafia is fighting back with full force.

[MENTION=107753]uberkoen[/MENTION]. You must feel such an idiot. This is destructive by Sadiq Jan, thankfully PK has honest journalists like him.

 

[Mamoon]

When Imran Khan used to quote Amnesty International for years and years, it was gospel.

Now that it has exposed his corrupt government, it has lost credibility.

Just another day in Youthopian world. Imran and his cult-followers have lost whatever credibility they had.

It is embarrassing to see the lota (or loti) Firdous Awan trying to defend this embarrassment on live tv earlier.

From today onwards, there is no point in listening to what his supporters have to say. It is all over.

We all need to pray for the departed souls. May they rest in peace.

 

[Mamoon]

When Imran Khan used to quote Amnesty International for years and years, it was gospel.

Now that it has exposed his corrupt government, it has lost credibility.

Just another day in Youthopian world. Imran and his cult-followers have lost whatever credibility they had.

It is embarrassing to see the lota (or loti) Firdous Awan trying to defend this embarrassment on live tv earlier.

From today onwards, there is no point in listening to what his supporters have to say. It is all over.

We all need to pray for the departed souls. May they rest in peace.

Transparency International*

 

[Mamoon]

People who support Imran Khan and PTI are beneficiaries of corruption. They get brown lifafas.

Thank you Transparency International for exposing the most corrupt government in Pakistan history.

Indeed, truth will always triumph over falsehood.

This is the most glorious moment in Pakistan history. The PTI drama is finally over.

 

[Technics 1210]

People who support Imran Khan and PTI are beneficiaries of corruption. They get brown lifafas.

Thank you Transparency International for exposing the most corrupt government in Pakistan history.

Indeed, truth will always triumph over falsehood.

This is the most glorious moment in Pakistan history. The PTI drama is finally over.

Remind us why you voted for PTI again?

 

[kk1992]

People who support Imran Khan and PTI are beneficiaries of corruption. They get brown lifafas.

Thank you Transparency International for exposing the most corrupt government in Pakistan history.

Indeed, truth will always triumph over falsehood.

This is the most glorious moment in Pakistan history. The PTI drama is finally over.

HAHAHAHA.

Bhai take a break.

Have some chursi kabob with lassi.

and stop punching the keyboard.

Drama was over in 2018

 

[IMMY69]

These truly are good times.
You can almost feel the pain of these PMLN/PPP corrupt supporters through the keyboard.

 

[Mian]

Any patwari or piplya actually saw the methodology used? ? First it's based on perceptions not fact and second thing 2019 covers the past 2 years not the PTI term alone which started in Aug 2018.

The CPI 2019 is calculated using 13 different data sources from 12 different institutions that capture
perceptions of corruption within the past two years.

https://www.transparency.org/files/content/pages/2019_CPI_Report_EN.pdf

 

[Mian]

The best thing i saw on twitter today

" Patwari and Jiyalaz tweeting about corruption is like Kim Kardashian preaching modesty. "

 

[Mamoon]

Remind us why you voted for PTI again?

Well since I am supposed to be a beneficiary of corruption, so perhaps I subconsciously gravitated towards the party that would go on to form the most corrupt government in Pakistan’s history.

 

[Mamoon]

So now it is about perception, but when the false Messiah used to quote TI, it was gospel.

As I said, there is way back for cult-followers now. This is the end of PTI.

It’s over. Done.

 

[Technics 1210]

Well since I am supposed to be a beneficiary of corruption, so perhaps I subconsciously gravitated towards the party that would go on to form the most corrupt government in Pakistan’s history.

But a corrupt government is better than an incompetent government.

When you do actually vote in your life you'll be able to provide a straight answer.

 

[Mamoon]

This is not a blow for the country. This is not a blow for Imran and the members of his government. This is not a blow for Imran’s critics and people who voted for him and then regretting their decision.

This is a critical blow for his loyal supporters who pinned their hopes on a false messiah. It is their trust that he betrayed.

First he brainwashed all of them into thinking that corruption was the biggest problem for Pakistan and then built his political career on anti-corruption rhetoric. His political career revolves around the belief that he will put an end to corruption to in Pakistan and bring the corrupt politicians to justice.

People put their faith in him to such an extent that his party eventually evolved into a cult, and his cult-members were resolute in their belief that he will fulfill his promise and create a new, corruption-free Pakistan.

Unfortunately, all of that was a lie to win their votes. After forming the government, he ended up breaking all records of corruption. Perhaps this was his plan from day one - to fool the public.

Imran has lost all respect and credibility. He has let down millions of of devotees who did not desert him for a second.

 

[Mamoon]

But a corrupt government is better than an incompetent government.

When you do actually vote in your life you'll be able to provide a straight answer.

A corrupt but competent government is better than an honest but incompetent government. The worst government is the one that breaks records of both corruption and incompetency, and that’s PTI.

You have to go all the way back to the days of Gen. Ayub Khan to find an equally worse assortment of third rate politicians. This is the “team” of “Kaptaan” that was supposed to usher a new era. Well they kind of did - they ushered a new era of ...... record-breaking corruption.

 

[Bewal Express]

A corrupt but competent government is better than an honest but incompetent government. The worst government is the one that breaks records of both corruption and incompetency, and that’s PTI.

You have to go all the way back to the days of Gen. Ayub Khan to find an equally worse assortment of third rate politicians. This is the “team” of “Kaptaan” that was supposed to usher a new era. Well they kind of did - they ushered a new era of ...... record-breaking corruption.

You jumped into this thread with out any thought, and as always humiliation awaited for you badneyaati. Why is a lifafa running an anti corruption review body. It's a bit like getting Phuppi Diesel to oversee Diesel licenses.

We have discussed your brainless and pointless assertionmillions of times but not only were your friends corrupt, they were incredibly incompetent. They borrowed $64bn and tell us where that went? The Punjab govt turned a 100bn surplus into a 2 trillion deficit. More humiliation as always.

 

[Bewal Express]

So now it is about perception, but when the false Messiah used to quote TI, it was gospel.

As I said, there is way back for cult-followers now. This is the end of PTI.

It’s over. Done.

Tell us how can a guy on the payroll of NS give an honest opinion? And what's even more ironic is that even after being on his payroll PK still has appalling ratings. What would they have been like if he wasn't on his payroll. Lol

 

[Technics 1210]

So now it is about perception, but when the false Messiah used to quote TI, it was gospel.

As I said, there is way back for cult-followers now. This is the end of PTI.

It’s over. Done.

This thread is about perception. Read the OP carefully and the title of the index. The index is not a measure of corruption within a government.

Your Hail Mary routines are wasted.

 

[kk1992]

This is not a blow for the country. This is not a blow for Imran and the members of his government. This is not a blow for Imran’s critics and people who voted for him and then regretting their decision.

This is a critical blow for his loyal supporters who pinned their hopes on a false messiah. It is their trust that he betrayed.

First he brainwashed all of them into thinking that corruption was the biggest problem for Pakistan and then built his political career on anti-corruption rhetoric. His political career revolves around the belief that he will put an end to corruption to in Pakistan and bring the corrupt politicians to justice.

People put their faith in him to such an extent that his party eventually evolved into a cult, and his cult-members were resolute in their belief that he will fulfill his promise and create a new, corruption-free Pakistan.

Unfortunately, all of that was a lie to win their votes. After forming the government, he ended up breaking all records of corruption. Perhaps this was his plan from day one - to fool the public.

Imran has lost all respect and credibility. He has let down millions of of devotees who did not desert him for a second.

You loses any argument when you start calling a person ‘messiah’

Invalidate any valid point ( not that you have made any in this thread) when you call any person ‘messiah’.

It’s almost like you’re projecting, maybe you thought IK is messiah and hoped things would changed over night but then realized IK is just another honest person who is trying and to some extent has done well in a puddle full of corrupt politicians.

Maybe that is why you voted for him because you thought he was ‘messiah’.

Lol at breaking record of corruption.

 

[Syed1]

LOL so 7 agencies said no change and 2 agencies said things got worse, but guess what those 2 agencies got their numbers from 2015-2018. ) ) )


Another day another humiliation for cult followers of corrupt toola [MENTION=107753]uberkoen[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some interesting facts regarding transparency international 2019 index report, according to which the two agencies that ranked Pakistan negatively, collected their data during the government of PMLN from 2015 to 2018 and is clearly mentioned in the report. <a href="https://t.co/K4BLdkBOSY">pic.twitter.com/K4BLdkBOSY</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1220803851734913030?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Mian]

LOL so 7 agencies said no change and 2 agencies said things got worse, but guess what those 2 agencies got their numbers from 2015-2018. ) ) )


Another day another humiliation for cult followers of corrupt toola [MENTION=107753]uberkoen[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some interesting facts regarding transparency international 2019 index report, according to which the two agencies that ranked Pakistan negatively, collected their data during the government of PMLN from 2015 to 2018 and is clearly mentioned in the report. <a href="https://t.co/K4BLdkBOSY">pic.twitter.com/K4BLdkBOSY</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1220803851734913030?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now expecting this thread to become inactive and disappear. Looks like some own goals scored by PMLN and Shahbaz )

 

[Bewal Express]

LOL so 7 agencies said no change and 2 agencies said things got worse, but guess what those 2 agencies got their numbers from 2015-2018. ) ) )


Another day another humiliation for cult followers of corrupt toola [MENTION=107753]uberkoen[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some interesting facts regarding transparency international 2019 index report, according to which the two agencies that ranked Pakistan negatively, collected their data during the government of PMLN from 2015 to 2018 and is clearly mentioned in the report. <a href="https://t.co/K4BLdkBOSY">pic.twitter.com/K4BLdkBOSY</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1220803851734913030?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I was going to go back that tomorrow when the losers post. I can't wait for Tomorrow.

 

[khanz141]

so the report is about the time of Nooras

 

[Patriot]

A non story.

Pakistan has dropped places because more corruption is being reported not because there is actually more corruption. This is a good thing that under this Government, people are reporting more corruption.

It’s the same case if for example more murders are reported. It won’t mean, Pakistan has somehow jumped from less numbers of murders to higher numbers.

 

[Knight_Rider]

A non story.

Pakistan has dropped places because more corruption is being reported not because there is actually more corruption. This is a good thing that under this Government, people are reporting more corruption.

It’s the same case if for example more murders are reported. It won’t mean, Pakistan has somehow jumped from less numbers of murders to higher numbers.

How do you know all that? What’s the evidence that the actual corruption hasn’t increased?

Or is it more the case: K lambi lambi phenka is a speciality of Imran and his followers?

 

[Bewal Express]

How do you know all that? What’s the evidence that the actual corruption hasn’t increased?

Or is it more the case: K lambi lambi phenka is a speciality of Imran and his followers?

I can believe that it hasn't come down alot and that is disappointing to say the least but unless you see IK and family on the run, or his Finance Minister runs off while in office, then you know Corruption hasnt increased.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The bottom-line is that for all the big talk, all the promises, all the expletives, all the insults,

Pakistan is more corrupt under PTI than it was previously. It couldn’t get more embarrassing for PTI.

Imran and PTI supporters deserve this humiliation.

You do know that the data collected is from 2015-17 and 2018? They used two metrics none of which have collected data from late 2018 or 2019.

 

[Mamoon]

Until yesterday, the PTI narrative was that TI is biased and they reject their findings because there is no truth to it.

Furthermore, they claimed that TI is on Nawaz Sharif’s payroll so we cannot expect an honest judgment from them.

This narrative was obviously backed up by PTI supporters as well.

However, today both PTI and its supporters are doing bhangra because TI supposedly used data from 2015-2018 period, so hence the rise in corruption has to do with the PMLN government and not PTI.

This leads us to the following questions:

(1) when PTI called the TI reporting biased and rejected their findings, were they actually implying that the PMLN government was not corrupt and their allegations are false?

(2) perhaps PTI did not know that TI was using numbers from the PMLN period and that is why they called them biased.

So TI is biased when it shows PTI in a bad light but the beacon of truth when it shows PMLN in a bad light?

TI was gospel before yesterday, but suddenly it became biased yesterday, but now it is back to being gospel.

(3) what happened to the accusation that TI is on Nawaz Sharif’s payroll?

So if they are on his payroll, why did they apparently expose the corruption during his regime?

Or did PTI’s Chief financier Jahangir Tahangir buy their loyalties without Nawaz Sharif’s knowledge?

This is what happens when people have sheep mentality, and that is what PTI politicians and PTI supporters are.

They get tangled in their own lies, excuses and accusations and humiliate themselves. Their only way out then is to shout expletives and abuses.

The circus continues. There are no limits to their insanity. They have been infected with a deadly virus and there is no cure.

 

[Abdullah719]

Until yesterday, the PTI narrative was that TI is biased and they reject their findings because there is no truth to it.

Furthermore, they claimed that TI is on Nawaz Sharif’s payroll so we cannot expect an honest judgment from them.

This narrative was obviously backed up by PTI supporters as well.

However, today both PTI and its supporters are doing bhangra because TI supposedly used data from 2015-2018 period, so hence the rise in corruption has to do with the PMLN government and not PTI.

This leads us to the following questions:

(1) when PTI called the TI reporting biased and rejected their findings, were they actually implying that the PMLN government was not corrupt and their allegations are false?

(2) perhaps PTI did not know that TI was using numbers from the PMLN period and that is why they called them biased.

So TI is biased when it shows PTI in a bad light but the beacon of truth when it shows PMLN in a bad light?

TI was gospel before yesterday, but suddenly it became biased yesterday, but now it is back to being gospel.

(3) what happened to the accusation that TI is on Nawaz Sharif’s payroll?

So if they are on his payroll, why did they apparently expose the corruption during his regime?

Or did PTI’s Chief financier Jahangir Tahangir buy their loyalties without Nawaz Sharif’s knowledge?

This is what happens when people have sheep mentality, and that is what PTI politicians and PTI supporters are.

They get tangled in their own lies, excuses and accusations and humiliate themselves. Their only way out then is to shout expletives and abuses.

The circus continues. There are no limits to their insanity. They have been infected with a deadly virus and there is no cure.

They may have sheep mentality or whatever, but the onus is on you now that you know the truth. What is YOUR opinion about the findings? Since you were earlier adamant that the findings prove the extreme levels of corruption in PTI. Do you consider it a humiliation that you were prematurely celebrating the findings? Do you not have the same 'sheep mentality' against PTI?

Anyway, this is old news now. As it is, by yesterday the talk had moved on to FATF, UK's travel advisory, etc.

 

[Bewal Express]

Until yesterday, the PTI narrative was that TI is biased and they reject their findings because there is no truth to it.

Furthermore, they claimed that TI is on Nawaz Sharif’s payroll so we cannot expect an honest judgment from them.

This narrative was obviously backed up by PTI supporters as well.

However, today both PTI and its supporters are doing bhangra because TI supposedly used data from 2015-2018 period, so hence the rise in corruption has to do with the PMLN government and not PTI.

This leads us to the following questions:

(1) when PTI called the TI reporting biased and rejected their findings, were they actually implying that the PMLN government was not corrupt and their allegations are false?

(2) perhaps PTI did not know that TI was using numbers from the PMLN period and that is why they called them biased.

So TI is biased when it shows PTI in a bad light but the beacon of truth when it shows PMLN in a bad light?

TI was gospel before yesterday, but suddenly it became biased yesterday, but now it is back to being gospel.

(3) what happened to the accusation that TI is on Nawaz Sharif’s payroll?

So if they are on his payroll, why did they apparently expose the corruption during his regime?

Or did PTI’s Chief financier Jahangir Tahangir buy their loyalties without Nawaz Sharif’s knowledge?

This is what happens when people have sheep mentality, and that is what PTI politicians and PTI supporters are.

They get tangled in their own lies, excuses and accusations and humiliate themselves. Their only way out then is to shout expletives and abuses.

The circus continues. There are no limits to their insanity. They have been infected with a deadly virus and there is no cure.

Epic Humiliation)

This must be the ultimate humiliation for you and that is long list we have to chose from. All our criticism was proved right and you and your friend used stats that were not only unreliable, compiled by a NS licker, they happened to be from your own govt. Remember when Maryam used stats showing how useless the PTI were except they were from your own crooked govt. Another humiliation for you and the beneficiaries of the corruption.

 

[Bewal Express]

They may have sheep mentality or whatever, but the onus is on you now that you know the truth. What is YOUR opinion about the findings? Since you were earlier adamant that the findings prove the extreme levels of corruption in PTI. Do you consider it a humiliation that you were prematurely celebrating the findings? Do you not have the same 'sheep mentality' against PTI?

Anyway, this is old news now. As it is, by yesterday the talk had moved on to FATF, UK's travel advisory, etc.

He is the biggest sheep of all. He watches Geo and the mafia media and then posts. He literally takes their words, word for word and repeats them here.

 

[Syed1]

This humiliation is almost as bad as Rs. 2 per sapling for cult follower of corrupt toola. Remember that [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] ?

 

[Bewal Express]

This humiliation is almost as bad as Rs. 2 per sapling for cult follower of corrupt toola. Remember that [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] ?

I remember the Saplings really well. It's interesting that he never saw corruption as a problem until yesterday , and then yesterday he jumped on these figures " thank you TI". So suddenly Corruption was a problem and then today he has his tail between his legs and more humiliation.