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It'll be interesting to see how Rumman Raees does in New Zealand during this series.

His bowling is well suited to the slower pitches of Asia where he can bowl his cutters, slower balls and the occasional cross seam delivery.

The conditions in New Zealand will be totally different to what he has been used to previously and will test him.

His lack of pace could be a problem, but he's a skilled bowler and could actually surprise NZ who look to be targetting him.
 
Munro took him apart in one over but Munro can do that to any bowler. Can't look too much into that although those deliveries weren't great.
 
Pace is really low... with maximum effort, he can perhaps touch 130k.

Good slower ball though.
 
Don't like him at all. I mean around ~120km/h you better be a the next McGrath otherwise it is not good enough. Batsmen have no trouble against him.
 
He is a T20 bowler... which might explain his spectacular performance in the PSL and the death overs of ODIs. Yet again Inzi picked wrong player for wrong format.
 
Good bowler.

Was bowling into the wind which is why his pace was down.

Has a good yorker and has a very good slower ball.

Was his first time bowling in NZ, lets give him the series before we talk about discarding him.
 
What happened to him? Not long ago he was clocking 143 kph. Did he gain weight or something?
 
Against SL, he was bowling over 140s and was getting a rightward swing. Maybe alien conditions and bowling into the wind has been the problem. Hopefully he will get better as the series goes on, as there is no backup seamer in the squad.

Sadly, the people were calling for Junaid, when Junaid hasn't done anything wrong.
 
He was bowling against the wind, thats the reason for his pace being down. Same goes for Fahim Ashraf. Amir clocked 140+ consistently for the first two overs with the wind behind him.
 
So, he has lost the 8 kph pace he gained in last 1 year ? ?


He needs to quickly tighten his act together.
 
Lol @ wanting to drop him after one ODI.Anyway he is playing because Junaid/Usman are injured.He is a good backup option.
 
He is a good option for the third pacer role and should be rotated with Shinwari. Both are better than the hack Junaid who needs to be discarded permanently.
 
Was literally trundling yesterday. If I’d want a trundler, I’d rather have Sohail Khan who could trouble the batsmen a bit more and contribute with the bat.
 
Very very poor bowler.Never liked him in first place.Needs to be dumped for good.Really a nothing bowler.
 
Mamoon said:
He is a good option for the third pacer role and should be rotated with Shinwari. Both are better than the hack Junaid who needs to be discarded permanently.
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Shouldn't he replace Amir??
He hasn't done much either apart from his spells against India.
 
Hopefully he has learnt from that 1st ODI.

Yes bowling into the wind was an issue, but overdoing the slower ball and not bowling to your field are basic errors.
 
not impressed. I'd much rather have aamer yamin. it would extend our batting order and boost the big hitting fire power.

yamin is also becoming a very strong bowler
 
IM NOT YOU said:
not impressed. I'd much rather have aamer yamin. it would extend our batting order and boost the big hitting fire power.

yamin is also becoming a very strong bowler
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Munro would obliterate Yamin, we'd be out of the game by the end of the powerplay if Yamin, God forbid, ever gets a new ball.
 
IM NOT YOU said:
not impressed. I'd much rather have aamer yamin. it would extend our batting order and boost the big hitting fire power.

yamin is also becoming a very strong bowler
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never select a bowler because of his batting abilities. If Pakistan want to replace Rumman then the replacement should be a better bowler than him.
 
srh said:
never select a bowler because of his batting abilities. If Pakistan want to replace Rumman then the replacement should be a better bowler than him.
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Which Inzi sahab didn't even select. All the pacers in the squad played in the first match.
 
Syed1 said:
Which Inzi sahab didn't even select. All the pacers in the squad played in the first match.
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Inzi made a huge blunder by selecting Nawaz. I dont see how can he possibly get a game on these types of wicket. Inzi should have selected a pacer instead.
 
What is wrong with some people? This guy was bowling 135+ against SL and moving the ball away from left hander and in to the right hander. Do You really think he somehow has lost that pace? Of ofcourse not!!!
It has been said a countless time by others that he was bowling in to the wind and thats Why he was bowling at such a low pace.

I back Ruman fully to come good the next match and do some damage early on and at the death.
 
Lol let's wait till the end of the series before labeling him as a specialist T20 bowler. He swung the ball vs Lanka and was bowling quicker as well.
 
Interesting how Southee operating against the wind was trundling at 125-130 kph, but Raees is slammed for bowling at that pace.
 
Showed flashes of talent but ultimately looked a more aesthetic version of Sohail Tanvir

The whole game plan by Sarfraz was wrong , how you going to contain batsmen without trying to get their flipping wicket

Hassan was getting berated for giving away boundaries but caught his man out
That’s how u play if ur strength is bowling

Not with opening bowlers that have more chance of getting the 12th man out than anyone else
 
Usman Chadda said:
Interesting how Southee operating against the wind was trundling at 125-130 kph, but Raees is slammed for bowling at that pace.
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because Southee took wickets in his first spell and Raees couldn't. Raees should not be opening the bowling. He is better suited for middle overs and last overs.
 
tbh he was actually quite unlucky. Yes, got smashed by Munro, but bowled well in patches. Swung the new ball and bowled alright with the old ball.
 
I didn't think he bowled that badly really. I thought he bowled alright. He was pretty good in patches but bowling into the wind and Munro just hurt his performace. But hopefully in the 2nd ODI he will come good.
 
Not looking too good in the second ODI, though his pace has inched into the 130k without the wind...
 
He is not a good new ball bowler on flat wickets due to his pace. Batsman can easily line him up on these small grounds. If Pakistan needs to play him, he needs to be only coming on after the field is spread out.
 
I wish we had Yamin or Sohail or Junaid to back Hasan and Amir up. Ruman and Faheem are releasing the pressure (even if Faheem got a wicket).
 
giri26 said:
He is not a good new ball bowler on flat wickets due to his pace. Batsman can easily line him up on these small grounds. If Pakistan needs to play him, he needs to be only coming on after the field is spread out.
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He was bowling around 140 mark in UAE, i dont know if its the wind in NZ or match pressure, he doesnt look in rythm. He has only played 5, 6 matches, so hopefully he will learn
 
Titan24 said:
He was bowling around 140 mark in UAE, i dont know if its the wind in NZ or match pressure, he doesnt look in rythm. He has only played 5, 6 matches, so hopefully he will learn
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Waqar mention elbow injured to Raees, so he is not 100% fit ATM. It can effect both pace and swing, it’s difficult to complete the action or increase arm speed when you have niggle in elbow.
 
If he is injured why is he playing then? Replace him with another option, we need 2 wicket taking options opening the bowling attack.
 
Said if before and I’ll say it again this Rumman Raees is one of the worst fast bowlers to play international cricket for Pakistan.
 
With Junaid’s recent form being not too great either you would imagine we’d be grooming someone if a situation as such arises. But nope, who needs a fast bowler when you can replace him with a batting all-rounder. Tell em’ [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION], tell em’ about how Inzi is one of the greatest selectors to don the role. With that beard you can’t expect him to succumb to the pressure of lobbies or make nepotistic selections. His integrity is in no doubt.

Also shoutout to those experts who were harping on about us going to win 5-0 or 4-1.
 
im tired of saying he is not a 10 over odi bowler , he is a 4 over t-20 bowler . Im afraid that if he continues to play pakistan may loose him in t-20 as well

Need to get Sadaf in as soon as possible
 
b.lesner said:
im tired of saying he is not a 10 over odi bowler , he is a 4 over t-20 bowler . Im afraid that if he continues to play pakistan may loose him in t-20 as well

Need to get Sadaf in as soon as possible
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Sadaf has only turned up in low scoring games as of now in the OD Cup, I wonder why?
 
But but he’s got a list-A average of 25. XX, sure bowls like one... [MENTION=139754]New Yorker[/MENTION]
 
New Yorker said:
Sorry I didn't get your drift? Why are you tagging me?
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Don’t know if you remember but you and I had a debate about Raees being picked as a replacement for Wahab in the CT. His stats were your primary argument.
 
He is not a strike bowler. He needs to bowl first change with Hasan taking the new ball.

Rumman should bowl the bulk of his overs in the middle overs and the death, where he can utilize his variations.
 
Ellipsism said:
Don’t know if you remember but you and I had a debate about Raees being picked as a replacement for Wahab in the CT. His stats were your primary argument.
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Is the question whether Rumman is good or whether Rumman is better than Wahab?

At the time I thought it was a good swap. Rumman had a good domestic seasons, that performance was rewarded, and he did very well in the one game he got in the CT. Now he's had two indifferent games in NZ and you want Wahab back? Shall we do a PP poll on whether that is a good idea?

I like the idea of rewarding consistent domestic performance, no one has convinced me that there is more reliable method of selection. The proof is not in whether this or that player succeeds, but whether, on average, over the long run, and in aggregate, picking someone on a hunch, e.g. because they have a bit of pace, a la Rahat, works better.

The argument for Rumman was not his List A stats, which are merely good by domestic Pakistani standards, compare with Hasan or Sadaf for instance, it was his domestic LOI tourney performance. He was consistently among the top one or two bowlers.
 
Rumman Raees made Pakistan team not just because of impressive PSL.

HE made Pakistan team because under waseem akram's mentoring he slightly modified his action by using more use of his non bowling arm plus he lost some weight hence left arm medium fast pacer became fast medium and looked impressive. He became capable of bowling few deliveries between 138 - 143 kph and looked impressive.


Post injury lay off he has lost pace aswell as swing so currently he does not merit a place in the team.


2 matches are enough of a chance for the moment.



Unfortunately we do not have a capable replacement on bench be it be a pacer, all-rounder or spinner.



The only choice is to to ask Hasan Ali to open the bowling with Amir & replace Rumman with Amir Yamin (batting edge). Yamin will only succeed if the pitch is " Seamers Friendly "
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Rumman Raees made Pakistan team not just because of impressive PSL.

HE made Pakistan team because under waseem akram's mentoring he slightly modified his action by using more use of his non bowling arm plus he lost some weight hence left arm medium fast pacer became fast medium and looked impressive. He became capable of bowling few deliveries between 138 - 143 kph and looked impressive.


Post injury lay off he has lost pace aswell as swing so currently he does not merit a place in the team.


2 matches are enough of a chance for the moment.



Unfortunately we do not have a capable replacement on bench be it be a pacer, all-rounder or spinner.



The only choice is to to ask Hasan Ali to open the bowling with Amir & replace Rumman with Amir Yamin (batting edge). Yamin will only succeed if the pitch is " Seamers Friendly "
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Don't you think he relies alot over conditions? Seen him successful whenever he gets slow pitches to bowl at.
 
MRSN said:
Don't you think he relies alot over conditions? Seen him successful whenever he gets slow pitches to bowl at.
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Yes slow pitches suit him more but he had picked up his pace and was getting decent inswing with the new ball vs RHB.

Currently down on both speed & swing hence ineffective. Also his fitness is quite poor.
 
Mamoon said:
He is not a strike bowler. He needs to bowl first change with Hasan taking the new ball.

Rumman should bowl the bulk of his overs in the middle overs and the death, where he can utilize his variations.
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Yep, NZ pundits were saying as much yesterday. There is more potential to be had in Hasan taking the new ball - yes he's good in the middle - but he could be derailing teams far earlier and with a bit more assistance...

Also, not to boost Amir or make excuses for him but a Hasan/Amir opening would just be a lot more vicious from both ends, building pressure.

Rumman is wasting what little this new ball does early on, not down to him though - selection/management.
 
Ellipsism said:
With Junaid’s recent form being not too great either you would imagine we’d be grooming someone if a situation as such arises. But nope, who needs a fast bowler when you can replace him with a batting all-rounder. Tell em’ [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION], tell em’ about how Inzi is one of the greatest selectors to don the role. With that beard you can’t expect him to succumb to the pressure of lobbies or make nepotistic selections. His integrity is in no doubt.

Also shoutout to those experts who were harping on about us going to win 5-0 or 4-1.
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Grooming someone like Hasan Ali, you mean? Or Shadab Khan? Or bringing Junaid back into the fold, who is definitely part of our best attack despite what you say? Or Usman Khan Sherwani, who suffered an unfortunate set-back? Or Faheem Ashraf, who's been more than a decent bowler despite many a "fan" criticizing his initial selection in the CT. A couple of poor performances do not warrant Rumman being discarded either.

As always, you and most other people here need to realize that the Pakistan team cannot win each and every single match. Neither can all of our players perform at their best day in and day out.
 
Kaka4pope said:
Yep, NZ pundits were saying as much yesterday. There is more potential to be had in Hasan taking the new ball - yes he's good in the middle - but he could be derailing teams far earlier and with a bit more assistance...

Also, not to boost Amir or make excuses for him but a Hasan/Amir opening would just be a lot more vicious from both ends, building pressure.

Rumman is wasting what little this new ball does early on, not down to him though - selection/management.
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Teams would take 35/0 or 45/1 in the initial ten overs and then prey on the less-experienced bowlers if Hasan starts opening the bowling. We're not playing our first-choice attack due to Junaid and Usman Khans' injuries. When everyone is fit, Amir and Junaid opening, with Hasan coming on first change and Usman and Rumman as back-up, is arguably the best pace attack in the world.
 
Don't think he is the worst bowler . Think he needs to bowl in the middle overs and towards the end of the innings. He has good variation which will be useful to deceive batsmen. He needs to work on his fitness, it shouldn't drop to the standard it has after being so good post CT.
 
With Rumman I feel he is more of a backup bowler rather than a strike bowler.

Pakistan needs Hassan Ali and Mohammad Amir opening the bowling and looking to pick some wickets with the new ball. With a couple of early wickets down, then it's the ideal opportunity for Rumman to get a few overs in.
 
Saj said:
With Rumman I feel he is more of a backup bowler rather than a strike bowler.

Pakistan needs Hassan Ali and Mohammad Amir opening the bowling and looking to pick some wickets with the new ball. With a couple of early wickets down, then it's the ideal opportunity for Rumman to get a few overs in.
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everybody who understand the game is saying the same thing but for some reason Sarfraz and Mickey are not listening
 
To be really frank, Pakistan has quite a few non wicket takers. Hasan Ali is the only one who actually takes wickets. Mohammad Amir for all the talent he has at max picks 1 wicket or non at all in his 10 overs. Yes he does bowl economically in the initial overs but that does not help Pakistan. They will play out Amir and attack Rumman from the other end. That's exactly what Munro did in the first game and Guptil did in the second game.

Bowling Amir and Hasan will be the right thing to do. If you are afraid of losing Hasan's overs, give him a 4 over spell with the new ball and bring him back for couple more spells later. With Hasan and Amir bowling in tandem, NZ openers will not have a respite and freebies. Even if Amir does not pick any wickets, he can keep the pressure on and it will help Hasan to attack from the other end. No point in crying over players who are not in the squad, this is probably the best fix Pakistan can do to get back in the series.

If Rumman continues to take the new ball, he is going to get hit around on these flat wickets and small boundaries unless he improves his speed.
 
Shadab's inability to take wickets in the middle is also hurting Pakistan, he is a boom or bust bowler, when he gets wickets, he gets plenty but when he doesn't he goes for plenty so his selection is a gamble.
 
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