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Adidas, the world’s second largest sportswear manufacturer, and payments firms Visa and Mastercard are the latest multinational firms to take action in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine Tuesday, joining businesses including Disney, Shell and Twitter to suspend services or give aid to people in Ukraine–here’s a list of companies who have taken measures:

KEY FACTS

Adidas said on Tuesday it is suspending its partnership with the Russian Football Union, effective immediately, bringing a halt to the years-long partnership between the soccer program and Europe’s largest sportswear manufacturer.

Maersk, one of the world’s biggest shipping lines, suspended deliveries to and from Russia Tuesday apart from food, medical and humanitarian supplies, citing the impact of sanctions.

Youtube on Tuesday blocked channels operated by Russian-state-funded outlets Russia Today and Sputnik News across Europe, days after it temporarily demonetized RT and other channels Saturday and prevented it from earning money through ads on its videos, and limited access to these channels in Ukraine.

Global payments firms Mastercard and Visa blocked a number of Russian financial institutions targeted by sanctions from their networks, in compliance with Western sanctions, the companies announced Monday and Tuesday.

The Walt Disney Company, which owns Marvel Studios, 20th Century Studios, Pixar and other film properties, announced Monday it is pausing its release of theatrical films in Russia, including its anticipated Pixar film Turning Red, “given the unprovoked invasion of Ukraine and the tragic humanitarian crisis.”

A spokesperson for Netflix told the Wall Street Journal Monday that “given the current situation,” the streaming service has no plans to distribute news, sports and entertainment channels from Russian state media, despite a new Russian regulation that requires organizations with more than 100,000 subscribers to carry them, according to a source familiar with the matter.

Shell announced Monday it would divest in several ventures with Gazprom, a Russian-state owned gas company totaling to roughly $3 billion in value.

Twitter said Monday it would label tweets that share information from Russian state media accounts, and announced Friday it was temporarily suspending ads in Ukraine and Russia “to ensure critical public safety information is elevated and ads don’t detract from it.”

Airbnb announced Monday they will provide free, short-term housing for 100,000 refugees who have fled Ukraine, which will be paid for by the company and through donations.

Etsy announced Monday it was canceling all balances owed to the company by sellers in Ukraine, including listing and advertising fees, amounting to roughly $4 million, to alleviate financial hardships felt by those in the country.

Oil giant BP divested a roughly 20% stake in Russian oil company Rosneft Sunday, and announced the immediate resignation of two BP-nominated Rosneft board members, with BP chair Helge **** calling Russia’s attack on Ukraine an “act of aggression” and saying BP’s “involvement with Rosneft, a state-owned enterprise, simply cannot continue.”

Facebook’s parent company Meta said it restricted access to Russian state media accounts in Ukraine, blocked Russian state media from running ads and earning money from their accounts on the platform, and Sunday said it took down posts related to a disinformation campaign targeting Ukraine.

Verizon waived residential and mobile call fees to and from Ukraine Friday through March 10, and waived voice and text roaming charges for those in the country.

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KEY BACKGROUND

Organizations around the world are also taking action against Russia. The International Olympics Committee requested Monday that sports organizations around the world ban Russian and Belarusian athletes from competing. Friday the Eurovision song contest barred Russia from competing this year, and Formula 1 canceled the Russian Grand Prix. The international fallout comes as the U.S. and other Western allies voted to remove some Russian banks from SWIFT over the weekend, and executed other rounds of sanctions on Russian financial institutions. Russian President Vladimir Putin has also been the direct target of sanctions, with the U.S. freezing his personal assets and those of Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and other wealthy Russian oligarchs.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisa...anies-responding-to-invasion/?sh=4b9554d04ec9
 
this is the highest stakes game of chicken we are likely to see in our lifetime. china is only country strong enough to arbitrate but either way, US looking weak, or Russia getting destroyed econmically, both outcomes play into their hands.

in the back of my head im thinking what is Putin's ace in the hole? cos he cant have wanted this to unfold as it has without a hidden card to play. i dont see how this can be protrayed for Putin as a victory with anything short of total conquest now.

the amount of harm he has caused his oligarchs would require significant economic returns. long term ukraine is a very important resource given its food production, short term i dont see what he offers them to stop them from doing what has happened to so many russian tsars in the past.
 
ElRaja said:
in the back of my head im thinking what is Putin's ace in the hole? cos he cant have wanted this to unfold as it has without a hidden card to play. i dont see how this can be protrayed for Putin as a victory with anything short of total conquest now.
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This invasion is about a week in now and could finish very soon. It will be a victory from a military perspective if it finished in the next few days. But many experts are predicting that the end is very near.
 
bones said:
This invasion is about a week in now and could finish very soon. It will be a victory from a military perspective if it finished in the next few days. But many experts are predicting that the end is very near.
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what is victory? ukraine acceding to russia? zelensky resigning. putin can spin this into a victory, however as iraq and afg showed often the real war starts after the so called victories, occupying ukraine will not be cheap.
 
Although Russia won't/can't pull back, this is terrible mistake of historical proportions that will leave Russia a pariah for decades to come in Western Europe. I just hope the Chinese bang some heads together and get some common ground for this nonsense to stop. With Putin looking very frail and the Russian economy get a pummelling at the moment, I am getting worried about the very real possibility of Nuclear conflict. Russia should offer to pull back and Ukraine should offer not to join NATO. Otherwise millions of innocent people could die.
 
Poland calls for sanctions on Belarus 'as soon as possible'

The prime minister of Poland has proposed sanctions be imposed on Belarus as soon as possible - and said the head of the European Commission agreed with him.

Ukraine has previously said Russia has plans to introduce Belarussian troops into the conflict.

The President of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, said no military units have moved from bases but added that the country could mobilise in less than three days in the event of danger.
 
Bewal Express said:
Although Russia won't/can't pull back, this is terrible mistake of historical proportions that will leave Russia a pariah for decades to come in Western Europe. I just hope the Chinese bang some heads together and get some common ground for this nonsense to stop. With Putin looking very frail and the Russian economy get a pummelling at the moment, I am getting worried about the very real possibility of Nuclear conflict. Russia should offer to pull back and Ukraine should offer not to join NATO. Otherwise millions of innocent people could die.
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This will end the conflict very quickly but sadly Nato do not want peace, otherwise you'd see headlines of talks,dialogue from their leaders, demanding to speak and resolve. Instead they are warmongering and asking Ukrainians to take on Russia.
 
KingKhanWC said:
This will end the conflict very quickly but sadly Nato do not want peace, otherwise you'd see headlines of talks,dialogue from their leaders, demanding to speak and resolve. Instead they are warmongering and asking Ukrainians to take on Russia.
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Common sense should prevail and both sides have to compromise or we are all toast. Putin looks ill and when a man has nothing to lose, he becomes dangerous.
 
Bewal Express said:
Common sense should prevail and both sides have to compromise or we are all toast. Putin looks ill and when a man has nothing to lose, he becomes dangerous.
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Putin wants to talk and the other side should also talk. Citizens of the UK and US should demand talks and not to send weapons.

Brother, nobody in the UK or US apart from the politicians want conflict with a nuclear power. Nobody wants their kids to experience a nuclear war because Nato wants missiles in Ukraine. Its absurd and looking dangerous now.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Putin wants to talk and the other side should also talk. Citizens of the UK and US should demand talks and not to send weapons.

Brother, nobody in the UK or US apart from the politicians want conflict with a nuclear power. Nobody wants their kids to experience a nuclear war because Nato wants missiles in Ukraine. Its absurd and looking dangerous now.
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Putin invaded and struck at the heart of Europe and even hitherto placid countries like Germany, Sweden and Finland have decided that its now or never. Putin didnt think the West had the balls to fight but as the reaction has shown, he has made a huge error which will kill millions and destroy his economy. The West must not push him into a corner where he has nothing to lose and i as said, i think this is the closest we have ever come to Nuclear War. And just like with Americans in Iraq, he will take Ukraine but exactly like the Americans, Putin has lost the War. A terrible decison which will haunt Russia for decades.
 
Bewal Express said:
Putin invaded and struck at the heart of Europe and even hitherto placid countries like Germany, Sweden and Finland have decided that its now or never. Putin didnt think the West had the balls to fight but as the reaction has shown, he has made a huge error which will kill millions and destroy his economy. The West must not push him into a corner where he has nothing to lose and i as said, i think this is the closest we have ever come to Nuclear War. And just like with Americans in Iraq, he will take Ukraine but exactly like the Americans, Putin has lost the War. A terrible decison which will haunt Russia for decades.
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Erm perhaps I missed this. ... Where is the West fighting Russia?

Putin and Russia are people, they are humans too. Why should they allow Nato which has been destorying nations for the last 20 years to place nukes on their border? UK would do worse than Putin if Ireland placed Russian nukes.
 
Bewal Express said:
Putin invaded and struck at the heart of Europe and even hitherto placid countries like Germany, Sweden and Finland have decided that its now or never. Putin didnt think the West had the balls to fight but as the reaction has shown, he has made a huge error which will kill millions and destroy his economy. The West must not push him into a corner where he has nothing to lose and i as said, i think this is the closest we have ever come to Nuclear War. And just like with Americans in Iraq, he will take Ukraine but exactly like the Americans, Putin has lost the War. A terrible decison which will haunt Russia for decades.
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Yes, The West is fighting Russia to the past Ukranian.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Erm perhaps I missed this. ... Where is the West fighting Russia?

Putin and Russia are people, they are humans too. Why should they allow Nato which has been destorying nations for the last 20 years to place nukes on their border? UK would do worse than Putin if Ireland placed Russian nukes.
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NATO gave statement last week that if he steps inside NATO countries like the Baltics, then we are at war. I think that is as clear cut as it gets.
So if the Russians take Ukraine which is very likely then are you saying that the Nuclear weapons in Poland arent on their border? Putin has believed that Ukraine is a ghost country and its part of Russia, so this idea that Nuclear weapons 4min away are worse than 2 min away is a total read herring.
 
Bewal Express said:
NATO gave statement last week that if he steps inside NATO countries like the Baltics, then we are at war. I think that is as clear cut as it gets.
So if the Russians take Ukraine which is very likely then are you saying that the Nuclear weapons in Poland arent on their border? Putin has believed that Ukraine is a ghost country and its part of Russia, so this idea that Nuclear weapons 4min away are worse than 2 min away is a total read herring.
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Russia dont want their troops in Ukraine any longer than required. They want Ukraine as buffer zone, so no chance of Poland having nukes on their border. On the border is a huge advantage, ive explained this previously.

Where is the west fighting Russia? Please do tell.
 
Whatever NATO spouts I'd take with a pinch of salt. They have killed thousands and thousand of innocent civilians with their fabricated bullxxit in the past. Reality is this is music to their ears that Russia is invading Ukraine , with this they will add fuel to the fire.
 
Manunited18 said:
Whatever NATO spouts I'd take with a pinch of salt. They have killed thousands and thousand of innocent civilians with their fabricated bullxxit in the past. Reality is this is music to their ears that Russia is invading Ukraine , with this they will add fuel to the fire.
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If Nato say the Sky is blue, go outside and check!

Now Nato are urging Ukraine to attack Belarus, hoping this escaltes even further. It seems desperation as US are also bringing in anti-semitism to the argument, claiming Russia tried to bomb Babyn Yar Holocaust memorial.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Now Nato are urging Ukraine to attack Belarus, hoping this escaltes even further. It seems desperation as US are also bringing in anti-semitism to the argument, claiming Russia tried to bomb Babyn Yar Holocaust memorial.
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Please could you provide sources for both these claims?
 
Im hearing news that the parliament has passed resolution to include ukraine in EU. Is this true???
 
KingKhanWC said:
Russia dont want their troops in Ukraine any longer than required. They want Ukraine as buffer zone, so no chance of Poland having nukes on their border. On the border is a huge advantage, ive explained this previously.

Where is the west fighting Russia? Please do tell.
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Russia cant create a puppet state without its troops. The govt wouldnt last a day. Do you think that after these sacrifices the Ukrainians will accept a Russian Puppet.
 
HitWicket said:
Please could you provide sources for both these claims?
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Many sources but here is one.

Kiev mulls ‘pre-emptive’ attack on Belarus

https://hiindia.com/2022/03/01/kiev-mulls-pre-emptive-attack-on-belarus/

Russia strikes Babyn Yar Holocaust memorial site in Ukraine
Andriy Yermak, Chairman of the Ukrainian Presidential Office, said: 'Russia has launched a missile attack...These villains are killing Holocaust victims for the second time.'
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https://www.jpost.com/international/article-699034
 
Bewal Express said:
Russia cant create a puppet state without its troops. The govt wouldnt last a day. Do you think that after these sacrifices the Ukrainians will accept a Russian Puppet.
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Who do you think was in charge of Ukraine in 2014 before Nato installed their puppet?
 
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KingKhanWC said:
Russia dont want their troops in Ukraine any longer than required. They want Ukraine as buffer zone, so no chance of Poland having nukes on their border. On the border is a huge advantage, ive explained this previously.

Where is the west fighting Russia? Please do tell.
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I am not sure if you read it properly but i said Putin didnt think they had the balls to fight and I think the reaction in the UK and elsewhere in Europe has put that theory to bed. Even the likes of Sweden and Finland will join NATO where historically they had no inclination. This is a mistake of historical proportions and Russia will be set back back decades in its developments.
 
Ukraine is not in the heart of Europe; it is a fringe country, riddled with Nazism, under immense Russian influence, and has a comedian at the helm - hence its application for NATO snd EU were previously rejected.
 
Bewal Express said:
Russia cant create a puppet state without its troops. The govt wouldnt last a day. Do you think that after these sacrifices the Ukrainians will accept a Russian Puppet.
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Ukraine is over 70% ethnic Ukrainians and around 17% ethnic Russians. The Ukrainians seems very patriotic and anti Putin. I don't see how a puppet regime will work.

Whatever you say about Nato. It's the best security insurance out there. If Ukraine was part of Nato Putin would never attack.
 
KingKhanWC said:
If Nato say the Sky is blue, go outside and check!

Now Nato are urging Ukraine to attack Belarus, hoping this escaltes even further. It seems desperation as US are also bringing in anti-semitism to the argument, claiming Russia tried to bomb Babyn Yar Holocaust memorial.
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NATO has to sell the multi million dollar weapons of mass destruction and in this case they have fueled the fire perfectly with using the comedian turned puppet leader of Ukraine to ignite trouble on the Russian border. Obviously Putin will not take a back step and the Russians have responded ruthlessly in which I fully sympathise with the innocent civilians on both sides.
 
Manunited18 said:
NATO has to sell the multi million dollar weapons of mass destruction and in this case they have fueled the fire perfectly with using the comedian turned puppet leader of Ukraine to ignite trouble on the Russian border. Obviously Putin will not take a back step and the Russians have responded ruthlessly in which I fully sympathise with the innocent civilians on both sides.
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Games of great powers never care much for the lives of minions.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Who do you think was in charge of Ukraine in 2014 before Nato installed their puppet?
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You and the Russians may not like the result of the elections but he aint a puppet. Look at how they have responded to his call- people dont want to fight for puppets. The fact is that Ukraine sees the West as its route to success, and sees Russia as the threat. And as we have discussed before Russia doesnt work with its neighbours, it tries to dominate them. I think you world view isnt that of the Ukrainians.
 
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If Russia didn’t have nukes, NATO would have invaded Russia long time ago, just as it has done with many weaker nations around the globe. NATO is not interested in peace; Russia asked NATO to come to the tables for years, but no NATO want to drop bombs instead.

BTW - Brent oil above $104
 
Bewal Express said:
I am not sure if you read it properly but i said Putin didnt think they had the balls to fight and I think the reaction in the UK and elsewhere in Europe has put that theory to bed. Even the likes of Sweden and Finland will join NATO where historically they had no inclination. This is a mistake of historical proportions and Russia will be set back back decades in its developments.
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Ok but the west do not have the footballs to fight , so he was right. They are sending Ben and Jerry from Texas and Manchester to help out.



HitWicket said:
I'm failing to see any mention of NATO in your first link or any mention of the US's stance/comments on the bombing of the site in your second one.
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You think US/Nato will go against those statements from Ukraine or Israel? lol Please fix your search again and look deeper.

The point was antisemitism and war mongering against Belarus has begun, only an ignorant person would deny this.
 
Bewal Express said:
You and the Russians may not like the result of the elections but he aint a puppet. Look at how they have responded to his call- people dont want to fight for puppets. The fact is that Ukraine sees the West as its route to success, and sees Russia as the threat. And as we have discussed before Russia doesnt work with its neighbours, it tries to dominate them. I think you world view isnt that of the Ukrainians.
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He was installed, the previous one was elected.

Nato is the aggressor but you are repeating the same after days.

Again, if Putin is evil we can now go and fight. Best option for those who spend days worrying about Russia.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Ok but the west do not have the footballs to fight , so he was right. They are sending Ben and Jerry from Texas and Manchester to help out.





You think US/Nato will go against those statements from Ukraine or Israel? lol Please fix your search again and look deeper.

The point was antisemitism and war mongering against Belarus has begun, only an ignorant person would deny this.
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I think you are missing the point- countries in the West have realised that Putin is determined to recreate the Tsarist/Soviet Empire and they wont just stand by. Its not as if they are averse to fighting wars.
 
KingKhanWC said:
He was installed, the previous one was elected.

Nato is the aggressor but you are repeating the same after days.

Again, if Putin is evil we can now go and fight. Best option for those who spend days worrying about Russia.
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And you think that all these people are willing to die for a puppet. Interesting
 
Bewal Express said:
I think you are missing the point- countries in the West have realised that Putin is determined to recreate the Tsarist/Soviet Empire and they wont just stand by. Its not as if they are averse to fighting wars.
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lol Putin is Christian Orthodox he is not Soviet Communist Athiest. Where do you get his nonsense from? Hopefully not history class.
 
100000s are fleeing Ukraine, they are not willing to die for a comedian puppet.this is why the puppet has requested foreign fighters to help clown his shoes.
 
Russia has taken on more than it can chew, almost similar to its Afghan invasion disaster, Ukrainian diaspora around the world will not forget this, and there are many around the world.

Russian economy is not as diverse ,and would need complete support of many countries to bounce back from this while holding Ukraine(which seems impossible).

Russia should had stuck to cyber warfare.
 
KingKhanWC said:
You think US/Nato will go against those statements from Ukraine or Israel? lol Please fix your search again and look deeper.

The point was antisemitism and war mongering against Belarus has begun, only an ignorant person would deny this.
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So just to be clear, you're admitting that the US/NATO haven't actually said what you claimed they have at all? You were deliberately spreading false information that you cannot back up at all other than with "Someone else said this and I think they would agree with it".
 
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Ukraine is over 70% ethnic Ukrainians and around 17% ethnic Russians. The Ukrainians seems very patriotic and anti Putin. I don't see how a puppet regime will work.

Whatever you say about Nato. It's the best security insurance out there. If Ukraine was part of Nato Putin would never attack.
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Why would Nato (the EU part) go out of their way for a fight against Russia?

Only Zionist Anglosphere (i.e. people who live thousands of KMS away from Russians) are pushing for this war.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Brainwashed.

When you off?
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So we are back to your Default setting because the shallowness of your arguments as some sort Russian govt spokesman doesnt hold up to scrutiny. As i said to you a few days ago Putin is an evil little man who put his ego before the lives of innocent people- Russia wasnt under threat from anyone. He has now bitten more then he can chew and either he occupies forever or his puppet will fall. Either way he has lost. The Russians( like the Americans) ran from Afg because their puppets cant survive.
 
Bewal Express said:
And you think that all these people are willing to die for a puppet. Interesting
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Who said they are willing to die for him? From what I've seen people are fleeing Ukraine and infact we in the uk are opening up to 200k from Ukraine, same will apply to other major nations, France and Germany.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz is set to visit Israel on Wednesday, with the war between Russia and Ukraine expected to be a major item on the agenda. So far, Israel’s stance on the conflict is a delicate balancing act.

Source: DW https://m.dw.com/en/ukraine-russia-war-overshadows-german-chancellors-israel-visit/a-60957331


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Expect a radical change in German's stance. This visit to Zionists will only damage the world peace.
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Many of the Russian oligarchs are Jewish, billions at stake for Israel. I am sure i read somewhere that Roman promotes Jewish settlements.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz is set to visit Israel on Wednesday, with the war between Russia and Ukraine expected to be a major item on the agenda. So far, Israel’s stance on the conflict is a delicate balancing act.

Source: DW https://m.dw.com/en/ukraine-russia-war-overshadows-german-chancellors-israel-visit/a-60957331


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Expect a radical change in German's stance. This visit to Zionists will only damage the world peace.
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Interesting they didn’t decide to use Zoom, then again I am sure they would want to exchange a few words beyond electronics eavesdropping.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Taiwan belongs to China even according to the Yanks.

But yes this is a good time to remove NAto from Taiwan.
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I don't think China will use a military maneuver unless directly pushed. In other words, if Aukus decide to massively arm Taiwanese governments with womds. Oh, the irony.
 
Bewal Express said:
Many of the Russian oligarchs are Jewish, billions at stake for Israel. I am sure i read somewhere that Roman promotes Jewish settlements.
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Oh you are so cute, love.

I literally opened a thread explaining how Jewish (not equal to) Zionist. Look for it!

Try harder.
 
Manunited18 said:
Who said they are willing to die for him? From what I've seen people are fleeing Ukraine and infact we in the uk are opening up to 200k from Ukraine, same will apply to other major nations, France and Germany.
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No doubt there will be some that will run but it has a population of 40m, and enough have and will stay behind, otherwise a week later we wouldnt be discussing the possibility of heavy bombardment by the Russsian air force to take the country. The Ukrainians had millions murdered by Stalin and they fought the Soviets until the 1950s.
 
HitWicket said:
So just to be clear, you're admitting that the US/NATO haven't actually said what you claimed they have at all? You were deliberately spreading false information that you cannot back up at all other than with "Someone else said this and I think they would agree with it".
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Israel and Ukraine are besties with Nato, all agree ,its daft to suggest otherwise

Do you disagree on both points?
 
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Bewal Express said:
So we are back to your Default setting because the shallowness of your arguments as some sort Russian govt spokesman doesnt hold up to scrutiny. As i said to you a few days ago Putin is an evil little man who put his ego before the lives of innocent people- Russia wasnt under threat from anyone. He has now bitten more then he can chew and either he occupies forever or his puppet will fall. Either way he has lost. The Russians( like the Americans) ran from Afg because their puppets cant survive.
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You are not making any new points or sharing any new news.

Seriously if this is becoming very stressful its best to either stay away from the news or talk to someone face to face.
 
Ukraine was a member of the USSR from 1922 to 1991.

Over 30 Million Russians died in WW2 fighting for the Zionist cause, only to help the allies win the War!
 
KingKhanWC said:
Im suggesting for once in your life do some research, unless you want to pay for my work?

Israel and Ukraine are besties with Nato, all agree ,its daft to suggest otherwise

Do you disagree on both points?
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Not the first time you've pulled the "do your own research" card when you've been exposed for spreading false information that you can't back up on this forum. Why it's considered acceptable on here is beyond me, presumably because it generates extra posts.

The relationship between Israel, Ukraine and NATO is irrelevant. You're claiming countries/organisations have said things that they very clearly have not.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Ukraine was a member of the USSR from 1922 to 1991.

Over 30 Million Russians died in WW2 fighting for the Zionist cause, only to help the allies win the War!
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This is history being re-written again.

Bolshevik Revolution

The PM of Ukraine is no different to those who caused this revolution, same actors.
 
I have tremendous respect for those brave Ukranian civilians and grandads who are staying behind to defend their territories.

Putting any politics aside there is something truly inspirational and soul-stirring about seeing a man defending his home. Credit to their leader for not running either.

Unfortunately, the war has exposed many other things.

Firstly, NATO has sold Ukraine down the river. This is not a war between the West and Russia as some would like to paint it. NATO has sold the Ukrainians down the river, having pumped them up to become anti-russian they have done a bunk and left them their grandads to defend themselves with petrol bombs. To me, despite the propaganda its quite clear that NATO is toothless. Britain should dump it and focus on a soverign defence strategy.

Secondly, bloody hell the media in this country is warped. They are making things up about Putin's psychological state of mind etc rather than dealing with the facts. Putin did not wake up one day on the wrong side of bed and decide to bomb Ukraine, this has been festering for years.

We have also shut down RT in this country despite always harping on about freedom of speech and how state censorship is a bad thing. Also, we are simultaneously being told that Putin cracks down hard on dissent but Russians in Moscow seem happy to give interviews to the BBC about how they are anti-putin and don't want war. Which one is it?

We have only two options in this war:

1. Urge Russia and Ukraine to come to a peace deal, save Ukranian lives and halt the expansion of NATO.

2. NATO MUST directly get involved in the war to save Ukranian lives and take on Russia head on.


This current strategy of arming the Ukranians and indirectly arming the russians by purchasing their gas is just prolonging the killing of innocents.

Once again, the loss of human lives is regrettable. The Ukrainian fightback admirable and Russian aggression condemnable BUT this story isn't going to end in a positive way if NATO doesn't show responsibility.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Ukraine was a member of the USSR from 1922 to 1991.

Over 30 Million Russians died in WW2 fighting for the Zionist cause, only to help the allies win the War!
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Zionist cause? What?

The germans were about to invade russia, they had reached the outskirts of moscow...

You wanted germany to win the war who believed in arian supremacy and all other racists being weaker and to be exterminiated?
 
Major said:
Zionist cause? What?

The germans were about to invade russia, they had reached the outskirts of moscow...

You wanted germany to win the war who believed in arian supremacy and all other racists being weaker and to be exterminiated?
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Not the point. Once USSR was involved, 30 Million Russian lives were lost, and for what? Helping UK and USA only for them to treat Russia as they have since the defeat of the Nazis? As for I wanted Germany to win the war? Behave.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Not the point. Once USSR was involved, 30 Million Russian lives were lost, and for what? Helping UK and USA only for them to treat Russia as they have since the defeat of the Nazis? As for I wanted Germany to win the war? Behave.
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Some say Russia which was not Communist at the time was promised Constantinople. They took the most losses but once the war was pretty much won, the revolution rose in Russia, turning it to communism so no need to give them what is now Istanbul, which is a Nato member now.


Who was behind this? Jewish Zionism. Who is the PM of Ukraine now?
 
Technics 1210 said:
Not the point. Once USSR was involved, 30 Million Russian lives were lost, and for what? Helping UK and USA only for them to treat Russia as they have since the defeat of the Nazis? As for I wanted Germany to win the war? Behave.
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No one was helping russia. It was a case of each country having a common enemy. If they were helping, the race to berlin would never had taken place....
 
KingKhanWC said:
Some say Russia which was not Communist at the time was promised Constantinople. They took the most losses but once the war was pretty much won, the revolution rose in Russia, turning it to communism so no need to give them what is now Istanbul, which is a Nato member now.


Who was behind this? Jewish Zionism. Who is the PM of Ukraine now?
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Volodymyr Zelensky pleads with the West to prevent genocide by Russia in Ukraine.

What was the point of saying ’never again’, president asks after missile strike near Kyiv Holocaust memorial.

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More sensationalism from the comedian leader. He is losing credibility hour by hour with his sensational tweets. He's already been caught lying, this one adds to the list. Putin is not targetting the people, anyone can see this!
 
Major said:
No one was helping russia. It was a case of each country having a common enemy. If they were helping, the race to berlin would never had taken place....
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Please read up on the WW2, and the alliance. UK, USA were indeed helping Russia, hence it was known as an alliance.

Again not the point, 30 Million Russians died in helping the alliance win the war.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I have tremendous respect for those brave Ukranian civilians and grandads who are staying behind to defend their territories.

Putting any politics aside there is something truly inspirational and soul-stirring about seeing a man defending his home. Credit to their leader for not running either.

Unfortunately, the war has exposed many other things.

Firstly, NATO has sold Ukraine down the river. This is not a war between the West and Russia as some would like to paint it. NATO has sold the Ukrainians down the river, having pumped them up to become anti-russian they have done a bunk and left them their grandads to defend themselves with petrol bombs. To me, despite the propaganda its quite clear that NATO is toothless. Britain should dump it and focus on a soverign defence strategy.

Secondly, bloody hell the media in this country is warped. They are making things up about Putin's psychological state of mind etc rather than dealing with the facts. Putin did not wake up one day on the wrong side of bed and decide to bomb Ukraine, this has been festering for years.

We have also shut down RT in this country despite always harping on about freedom of speech and how state censorship is a bad thing. Also, we are simultaneously being told that Putin cracks down hard on dissent but Russians in Moscow seem happy to give interviews to the BBC about how they are anti-putin and don't want war. Which one is it?

We have only two options in this war:

1. Urge Russia and Ukraine to come to a peace deal, save Ukranian lives and halt the expansion of NATO.

2. NATO MUST directly get involved in the war to save Ukranian lives and take on Russia head on.


This current strategy of arming the Ukranians and indirectly arming the russians by purchasing their gas is just prolonging the killing of innocents.

Once again, the loss of human lives is regrettable. The Ukrainian fightback admirable and Russian aggression condemnable BUT this story isn't going to end in a positive way if NATO doesn't show responsibility.
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Good read.

Although I wouldnt say Ukrainian forces have been so brave . There are many videos of them by Russia showing them surrender. Russians then help them with food , water and shelter. Of course both sides will use propaganda at some point but video evidence is far superiour to fake tweets or comments with no proof.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Volodymyr Zelensky pleads with the West to prevent genocide by Russia in Ukraine.

What was the point of saying ’never again’, president asks after missile strike near Kyiv Holocaust memorial.

DT

More sensationalism from the comedian leader. He is losing credibility hour by hour with his sensational tweets. He's already been caught lying, this one adds to the list. Putin is not targetting the people, anyone can see this!
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Given how far they’ve got to, Russia has done amazingly well to not have that much collateral damage. Ukraine are being used and they don’t even know it.
 
Rumours online that Mariupol is surrounded and the southern corridor is almost complete. That’s a huge area and covered in a week. Yet people are hinting that Russia have failed in their mission.
 
bones said:
Rumours online that Mariupol is surrounded and the southern corridor is almost complete. That’s a huge area and covered in a week. Yet people are hinting that Russia have failed in their mission.
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What do you think is Russia’s mission?
 
bones said:
Given how far they’ve got to, Russia has done amazingly well to not have that much collateral damage. Ukraine are being used and they don’t even know it.
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Russia is asking civilians to leave the areas which are going to be targeted. This is not a sign of indiscriminate killing. Putin wants to take control of key sites with minimal collateral damage.
 
I personally think Putin has failed in a sense

He should have went for a smaller scale invasion with no threat to take Kiev to bring the Ukranians to the negotiation table.

There have been pressure internally on zelensky to make a deal with Putin.

Now he has pushed the Ukranians too far and isolated himself from the rest of the world.

Scarily his only real option is to flatten Ukraine and then arrange some talks with Nato to be accepted back into the world systems.

Or Ukraine is split in two which likely wont happen.

He cant pull back now and ploughing forward means come up against a population that doesn't want to bend.

Perhaps he can leverage gas in exchange for being readmitted to the international fold.

It could be another Afghanistan for them with no way out.
 
JaDed said:
What do you think is Russia’s mission?
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1. Get rid of current government
2. Replace with puppets temporarily until new government elected
3. Bomb all US funded chemical and biological facilities
4. Get Crimea and Doneskt officially completing the southern corridor
 
KingKhanWC said:
Good read.

Although I wouldnt say Ukrainian forces have been so brave . There are many videos of them by Russia showing them surrender. Russians then help them with food , water and shelter. Of course both sides will use propaganda at some point but video evidence is far superiour to fake tweets or comments with no proof.
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Not seen those videos and can't really comment on the bravery of the soldiers on either side.

Im sure you will agree that their civilians have generally been resolute and steadfast.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Not seen those videos and can't really comment on the bravery of the soldiers on either side.

Im sure you will agree that their civilians have generally been resolute and steadfast.
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Videos are available just search for snake island news.

The civilians are being armed with rifles against trained infantry and tanks. Yes the civilians are brave but the government are a selfish, stupid and evil bunch. These civilians should not be fighting when putin and army are letting them leave. Instead of leaving the government is letting them fight.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Not seen those videos and can't really comment on the bravery of the soldiers on either side.

Im sure you will agree that their civilians have generally been resolute and steadfast.
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Some have for sure. But many are being forced out of their shelters, homes, given guns to go out and fight.

Ukraine has also released criminals in jail for the same reason.

The civilians who have been most resolute are those in Eastern Ukraine, having survived since 2014 without Russian boots on the ground.
 
bones said:
Videos are available just search for snake island news.

The civilians are being armed with rifles against trained infantry and tanks. Yes the civilians are brave but the government are a selfish, stupid and evil bunch. These civilians should not be fighting when putin and army are letting them leave. Instead of leaving the government is letting them fight.
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Dont forgot how to be trained how to make molotov cocktails.

Check out the outright lies, these cannot take out a battle tank lol.

Ukrainian Ministry of Defence issues a graphic telling people how to launch a Molotov cocktail at a tank - as civilians blow up a Russian convoy
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ocktails-Russian-tank-window-passing-car.html
 
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