Russia invades Ukraine

[KingKhanWC]

Putin has outsmarted the West/NATO. West/NATO cheerleaders were jumping with joy when the Ruble was plummeting, but are now left speechless, because they have been duped into thinking this is a land grab by Russia, its not. West/NATO thought they could pull the same currency depreciation stunt with weaker nation but FAILED.

Not only does Russia have Europe by the crown jewels, but Russia is starting to mint it from the East.

Before all of this Russia was the 10th largest economy in the world, has one of the lowest debt to GDP ratios, 3rd largest producer of oil, untold amounts of natural resources and to think the West/NATO believe Russia is bankrupt.

Putin has played a blinder. Fooled the West/NATO with his troops in Ukraine, got their attention, when all the while he is decimating the Petrodollar, forcing the West with untold increases in energy prices, resulting in Amreeka begging Venezuela and ME to pump more oil and their response was they would sell oil in non USD currencies! )

Grandmaster indeed!

Putin had a 7/8 years to plan this while Nato were busy bombing other nations. His 5,364 words statement with Chinese leader Xi Jinping at the Olympics was a statement to Nato. China clearly stated it was opposed to Nato expansion and will support Russia in this. The Yuan has also increased since Feb.

Putin is a genuis because he knew around half of the worlds population would continue to ally with Russia. The days of EU, Nato, UK and US ruling the world are all but over.

In the past it took world wars, huge conflicts lasting years or some sort of a huge shift in world affairs to change one ruling power into others but Putin has done this very quickly while securing the black sea. He will rank with the likes of Napoleon in world history while Biden will be still be used in comical memes in 50 years time.

 

[KingKhanWC]

People in Finland started stealing gasoline due to rising prices

The TV channel YLE reports on the increase in petrol and diesel thefts in Finland in the context of rising prices.

“As a rule, fuel is siphoned off from large construction sites, as well as from agricultural or forestry facilities,” the report says.

The amount of fuel stolen, according to local media, ranges between tens and thousands of liters.

https://eprimefeed.com/latest-news/...stealing-gasoline-due-to-rising-prices/91962/

Bravo Fins! While their people are stealing fuel, Finnish PM wants to show her Biceps to join Nato.

 

[KingKhanWC]

George W. Bush tells Russian pranksters posing as Ukraine president to "destroy" Putin's troops

Classic )

 

[Junaids]

Finland is a weak military nation, just like Sweden both will have to spend millions of Euros more to be part of Nato. Check out the history of Finland with the Soviets, they have tried this before and were humiliated. Finland have a new LGTB type feminist leader who is the youngest PM in the world. She was bought up by two 'married' women. Her issue is not security as this will make her people more at risk but she doesnt like the Christian Orthodox Russia which banned gay marriages.

Russia wont be losing sleep over a weak military nations which can be destroyed in mins. It has actually confirmed Russias paranoia over Nato.

The Swedish Air Force has been designed since the 1950’s to be able to destroy the Russian Air Force at will should it attempt to attack.

The Draken had total superiority over the MIG21, the Viggen had total superiority over the MIG29 and the Gripen has absolute superiority over anything that Russia can put in the air.

Now that they are joining NATO, Russia has completely lost control of the skies over Northern Europe.

 

[Gilly]

'Never have I been so ashamed': Veteran Russian diplomat quits before criticising Ukraine war

A veteran Russian diplomat to the UN Office at Geneva says he handed in his resignation before sending out a scathing letter to foreign colleagues inveighing against the "aggressive war unleashed" by Russian President Vladimir Putin in Ukraine.
Boris Bondarev, 41, confirmed his resignation in a letter delivered Monday morning after a diplomatic official passed on his English-language statement to The Associated Press.
"For twenty years of my diplomatic career I have seen different turns of our foreign policy, but never have I been so ashamed of my country as on February 24 of this year," he wrote, alluding to the date of Russia's invasion.
The resignation amounts to a rare — if not unprecedented — public admission of disgruntlement about Russia's war in Ukraine among the Russian diplomatic corps. It comes at a time when Putin's government has sought to crack down on dissent over the invasion and quell narratives that conflict with the Russian government's line about how the "special military operation" — as it's officially known in Russia — is proceeding.
"The aggressive war unleashed by Putin against Ukraine, and in fact against the entire Western world, is not only a crime against the Ukrainian people, but also, perhaps, the most serious crime against the people of Russia, with a bold letter Z crossing out all hopes and prospects for a prosperous and free society in our country," Bondarev wrote, referring to the widespread use of the letter "Z" as a symbol of support for Russia's war in Ukraine.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/russ...ashamed---russian-envoy-criticises-war_230522

 

[Robert]

The Swedish Air Force has been designed since the 1950’s to be able to destroy the Russian Air Force at will should it attempt to attack.

The Draken had total superiority over the MIG21, the Viggen had total superiority over the MIG29 and the Gripen has absolute superiority over anything that Russia can put in the air.

Now that they are joining NATO, Russia has completely lost control of the skies over Northern Europe.

I’m not sure the Gripen is better than the newest Sukhois.

What could be the deciding factor though, is that the Sukhois are crewed and serviced by Putin-era Russians.

We have seen that under the current regime: half the military spend has been embezzled; the supply chains are stretched to the point where ammo, fuel and rations are not getting through; the command / control / communications are inadequate and using obsolete techniques. Marshall Zukhov, that master of logistics, must be spinning in his grave.

I expected Kyiv to fall by mid-March. I respect the bravery of the professional Russian soldiers on the ground but they have been let down by a thinned-out NCO class, incompetent logistics and corrupt procurement.

 

[Robert]

A word on the Finns.

They are equipped with the Leppard-2 MBT, the F/A-18 Hornet, and have the biggest rocket and tube artillery array in Western Europe. All males are conscripted at 18 for national service and remain reservists until age fifty, so Finland can activate a million male and another million female troops.

That’s without the NATO backup they will soon enjoy. Were Article 5 to be declared they would be quickly reinforced by rapid deployment brigades from Europe and North America, and the world’s best equipped and best trained air forces.

 

[Technics 1210]

What MSM will not tell you is that the Finnish air force dropped the Swastika emblem from their Air Force. Yes you read this correctly.

https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finlan...rce-quietly-drops-swastika-from-its-logo.html

This simply endorses the fact that Europe in general is a fascist continent.

 

[Gilly]

What MSM will not tell you is that the Finnish air force dropped the Swastika emblem from their Air Force. Yes you read this correctly.

https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finlan...rce-quietly-drops-swastika-from-its-logo.html

This simply endorses the fact that Europe in general is a fascist continent.

From your link:

The swastika has been used by the Finnish Air Force since 1918 when it was painted on an aircraft donated to Finland by Count Eric von Rosen, who believed the symbol to represent good luck and happiness.

 

[Robert]

The current Finnish government is a coalition of social democrats, greens, liberals and leftists.

They have a strong social contract, excellent education system and low crime.

They score very high on the Human Development Index scale.

Were it not for the cold and the long winter nights, I would be tempted to retire there.

 

[Technics 1210]

From your link:

'He believed', the symbol represented good luck and happiness, just like the Germans did. You could forgive the Fins for having the symbol painted on their aircrafts pre World War 2 but they dropped the symbol in 2020. In the article.

How strange indeed, the symbol is banned in many parts of Europe yet Fins continued with their 'good luck charm' till 2020.

Perhaps this is why they never joined NATO in all these years.

 

[Gilly]

'He believed', the symbol represented good luck and happiness, just like the Germans did. You could forgive the Fins for having the symbol painted on their aircrafts pre World War 2 but they dropped the symbol in 2020. In the article.

How strange indeed, the symbol is banned in many parts of Europe yet Fins continued with their 'good luck charm' till 2020.

Perhaps this is why they never joined NATO in all these years.

No you have that wrong. Germans used the swastika as a symbol of “Aryan identity” and German nationalist pride.

The Origins of the Swastika
The word swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika, which means “good fortune” or “well-being." The motif (a hooked cross) appears to have first been used in Eurasia, as early as 7000 years ago, perhaps representing the movement of the sun through the sky. To this day, it is a sacred symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Odinism. It is a common sight on temples or houses in India or Indonesia. Swastikas also have an ancient history in Europe, appearing on artifacts from pre-Christian European cultures.

 

[Technics 1210]

No you have that wrong. Germans used the swastika as a symbol of “Aryan identity” and German nationalist pride.

Splitting hairs.

'Nationalist pride' says it all.

 

[Gilly]

Splitting hairs.

'Nationalist pride' says it all.

Its not splitting hairs, Finland adopted the swastika before Germany. It was after Finland used the swastika that Germans attached their meaning to the swastika. Your reasoning about Finland's use of the swastika is undeniably incorrect.

 

[ElRaja]

This is incorrect. Russia can shift trade as we have seen and besides Finland needs Russia more than vice versa.





Eastern Ukraine is done, it will never be in the hands of the Nazis again, most are in hell while the rest are locked up slurping Russian Carrot soup.

Do you seriously believe Ukraine is the winner here?

nope, ukraine is destroyed for at least a generation. i dont think either country has net net gained anything from this war.

 

[Reddy]

Svetlodarsk has been taken by Russian forces.

 

[Reddy]

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kuleba announces Ukrainian military has run out of weapons and calls on Western partners to quickly resupply them.

 

[Reddy]

Russia now controls 21% of the territory of Ukraine, that is size of England !

 

[Junaids]

The use of false Nazi accusations by Russia, combined with the imprisonment of the Leader of the Russian Opposition today, has led me to conclude that this war needs to continue with western nations supporting Ukraine to the hilt.

There is an ideological issue - and it is the criminal ideology of Putin’s Russia, which can be described as “Russism “ or “Rashism”, defined by:

- Russian ultranationalism,
- Russian military expansionism,
- Russian repression of ethnic minorities and sub-groups,
- Imprisonment and/or murder of anyone seeking democratic change in Russia.

Basically, Russism is a threat to world order, with Putin’s small clique of nuclear-armed sociopaths holding both Russia and the world to ransom.

And we need to continue until these sociopaths lose the capacity to behave that way.

 

[Junaids]

The use of false Nazi accusations by Russia, combined with the imprisonment of the Leader of the Russian Opposition today, has led me to conclude that this war needs to continue with western nations supporting Ukraine to the hilt.

There is an ideological issue - and it is the criminal ideology of Putin’s Russia, which can be described as “Russism “ or “Rashism”, defined by:

- Russian ultranationalism,
- Russian military expansionism,
- Russian repression of ethnic minorities and sub-groups,
- Imprisonment and/or murder of anyone seeking democratic change in Russia.

Basically, Russism is a threat to world order, with Putin’s small clique of nuclear-armed sociopaths holding both Russia and the world to ransom.

And we need to continue until these sociopaths lose the capacity to behave that way.

I don’t routinely advocate regime change - I did against the Taliban but I did not against Saddam Hussein.

But Putin started this, and therefore we are entitled to finish it - and him.

Russia needs to be deRussified and disarmed so that it cannot threaten its neighbours any more. That requires:

1. The obliteration of Russia’s armed forces to the point that they are incapable of conducting operations beyond their borders.

2. The removal of Russia’s nuclear weapons, as happened previously with both South Africa and Ukraine.

3. The removal of all Russia forces from Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine and Nagorno-Karabakh.

4. The payment of reparations by Russia for the destruction of civilian infrastructure and property in Ukraine.

5: If Putin and his cabinet are not killed in a coup, they must be put on trial either by a successor Russian government or, preferably, in Kyiv by the Ukrainian government.

There are a number of similar flashpoints in the world, and it’s important that other illiberal non-democracies learn the lesson that military aggression costs you power and can cost you your life.

 

[Robert]

Interesting Twitter thread from a US defence analyst. He reckons that Russia has lost so many T-72s and T-80s that they must resort to demothballing old T-62s.

They won’t want to use up much of their T-90 fleet against Ukraine because these (with the fabled T-14 Armata if there even is such a thing) are needed for their front with NATO member countries.

Now, I reckon that only about 25% of the old T-62s will have survived mothball, being maintained by unmotivated people whose bosses are happy to embezzle the Kremlin defence spend.

Is Russia going to run out of tanks in Ukraine?

 

[silentkiller187]

Workers digging through the rubble of an apartment building in Mariupol have found 200 bodies in the basement, Ukrainian authorities said, as more horrors come to light in the ruined city that has seen some of the worst suffering of the three-month-old war.

The bodies were decomposing and the stench hung over the area, according to Petro Andryushchenko, an adviser to the mayor.

He did not say when the bodies were discovered, but the sheer number of victims makes it one of the deadliest known attacks of the war.

Heavy fighting continued in the Donbas, the eastern industrial region of Ukraine that Moscow’s forces are intent on seizing.

Russian troops have intensified their efforts to encircle and capture Sievierodonetsk and neighbouring cities.

Mariupol was relentlessly pounded during a nearly three-month siege that ended last week after some 2,500 Ukrainian fighters abandoned the Azovstal steel plant where they had made their stand.

Russian forces already held the rest of the city, where an estimated 100,000 people remain out a pre-war population of 450,000, many of them trapped during the siege with little food, water, heating or electricity.

At least 21,000 people were killed in the siege, according to Ukrainian authorities, who have accused Russia of trying to cover up the horrors by bringing in mobile cremation equipment and burying the dead in mass graves.

During the assault on Mariupol, Russian air strikes hit a maternity hospital and a theatre where civilians were taking shelter.

An Associated Press investigation found that close to 600 people died in the theatre attack, double the figure estimated by Ukrainian authorities.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has accused the Russians of waging “total war” and seeking to inflict as much death and destruction as possible on his country.

Moscow-backed separatists have fought Ukrainian forces in the Donbas for eight years and hold large swaths of territory.

Sievierodonetsk and neighbouring cities are the only part of the Donbas’ Luhansk region still under Ukrainian government control.

Russian forces have achieved “some localised successes” despite strong Ukrainian resistance along dug-in positions, the UK’s Ministry of Defence said.

Moscow’s troops also took over the town of Svitlodarsk and raised the Russian flag there, Ukrainian media reported.

Svitlodarsk is about 31 miles south-east of the strategically important city of Kramatorsk.

Two top Russian officials appeared to acknowledge that Moscow’s advance has been slower than expected, though they vowed the offensive would achieve its goals.

Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of Russia’s Security Council, said the Russian government “is not chasing deadlines”.

And defence minister Sergei Shoigu told a meeting of a Russia-led security alliance of former Soviet states that Moscow is deliberately slowing down its offensive to allow residents of encircled cities to evacuate – though forces have repeatedly hit civilian targets.

As Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-largest city, recovers from weeks of weeks of relentless bombardment, residents formed long queues to receive rations of flour, pasta, sugar and others staples this week.

Moscow’s forces withdrew from around Kharkiv earlier this month, pulling back toward the Russian border.

Galina Kolembed, the aid distribution centre coordinator, said that more and more people are returning to the city. Ms Kolembed said the centre is providing food to over 1,000 people every day, a number that keeps growing.

“Many of them have small kids, and they spend their money on the kids, so they need some support with food,” she said.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...pc=U531&cvid=0d62a7f19d0f4f7ab35716629e82114a

 

[Pakpak]

Russia now making rapid gains, looks like they have finally got their act together

 

[Technics 1210]

56.85 Rubles to 1 USD.

Putin's master plan is thoroughly working.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The Swedish Air Force has been designed since the 1950’s to be able to destroy the Russian Air Force at will should it attempt to attack.

The Draken had total superiority over the MIG21, the Viggen had total superiority over the MIG29 and the Gripen has absolute superiority over anything that Russia can put in the air.

Now that they are joining NATO, Russia has completely lost control of the skies over Northern Europe.

1950's

Russia is the world leader in missile technology. Their S500 system is more than enough for their fighter jets.

Russia can destroy all European nations with just one nuclear strike of their Satan 2.

Finland should stay neutral. If the cowardly Nato leaders such as USA, UK, France wont battle Russia directly , Fins and Swedes will run off too. They were brave to attack Iraq, Afg, Lib,Syria but when up against a strong opponent bottle it like little girls. Bullies have no credibility for this reason.

 

[KingKhanWC]

nope, ukraine is destroyed for at least a generation. i dont think either country has net net gained anything from this war.

Ukraine will never be the same land again.

We now have Poland who is looking to take western areas of Ukraine, as they believe its their historical land.

Will Nato stop Poland, of course not. Therefore yet more proof this is a Nato proxy war not a war where Nato is trying to help the Ukranians. Most Brits, Yanks and others dont care at all for Ukranian people or their land so are happy its destroyed as long as Russia suffers but they are the ones suffering.

Russia has gained territory, economic superiourity. These are huge victories in any era of history, let alone this one where west controls most ...or used to..

 

[Reddy]

Russia is now about 2 km away from Soledar & has reached the Bakhmut-Lysychansk road, pushing Ukrainians into retreat further and further.

Bakhmut is getting hammered by Russian artillery with Russian forces now being about 12 KM away from taking the strategic city.

Vidrodzhenya has been taken by Russian forces along with 3 surrounding villages that don’t show up on maps. Russian advance continues, Ukraine struggles more and more every day.

 

[Junaids]

We now have Poland who is looking to take western areas of Ukraine, as they believe its their historical land.

Russia has gained territory, economic superiourity. These are huge victories in any era of history, let alone this one where west controls most ...or used to..

Putting aside the Ukraine/Russia for a minute, the Poles are half-correct here.

In early 1945 at Yalta, Stalin basically convinced Churchill and Roosevelt to allow the USSR to relocate Poland.

Eastern Poland - places like Lemberg (now Lviv in Ukraine) and Vilnius (now in Lithuania) was to become part of the USSR, with Poland relocated west into East Prussia - the historic heart of Germany.

That is how Gdańsk is in Poland even though it’s the German city of Danzig.

It’s also how the German city of Stettin is now the Polish city of Szczecin.

And of course the traditional capital of eastern Germany is Konigsberg - which has been ethnically cleansed of its 98% German population, who have been replaced by Russians in a weird Russian exclave.

Putin’s war in the Ukraine has reopened the debate on Eastern European borders and territories. But he doesn’t understand history well enough to comprehend that he has most to lose with that.

Soviet Russia fought Poland over territory between the wars. And lost.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Putting aside the Ukraine/Russia for a minute, the Poles are half-correct here.

In early 1945 at Yalta, Stalin basically convinced Churchill and Roosevelt to allow the USSR to relocate Poland.

Eastern Poland - places like Lemberg (now Lviv in Ukraine) and Vilnius (now in Lithuania) was to become part of the USSR, with Poland relocated west into East Prussia - the historic heart of Germany.

That is how Gdańsk is in Poland even though it’s the German city of Danzig.

It’s also how the German city of Stettin is now the Polish city of Szczecin.

And of course the traditional capital of eastern Germany is Konigsberg - which has been ethnically cleansed of its 98% German population, who have been replaced by Russians in a weird Russian exclave.

Putin’s war in the Ukraine has reopened the debate on Eastern European borders and territories. But he doesn’t understand history well enough to comprehend that he has most to lose with that.

Soviet Russia fought Poland over territory between the wars. And lost.

So you approve of Poland taking land in Ukraine due to history but are ignorant of the history of Russia? Kyiv and many other towns were part of Russia but its not ok for them to retake those towns?

This is the problem with western narrative, its based on hypocrisy.

 

[Reddy]

Henry Kissinger says Ukraine should give up territory in a bid to find a peace deal.

 

[Technics 1210]

So you approve of Poland taking land in Ukraine due to history but are ignorant of the history of Russia? Kyiv and many other towns were part of Russia but its not ok for them to retake those towns?

This is the problem with western narrative, its based on hypocrisy.

Indeed, I said it before and I will say it again, Europe is a war mongering continent. Twice Europe waged war on each other and dragging the world into their anglo conflict, survived, now are waging war on non European nations.

The only reason West/NATO cannot stand Russia is because Russia cannot be bullied into submission.

 

[Junaids]

So you approve of Poland taking land in Ukraine due to history but are ignorant of the history of Russia? Kyiv and many other towns were part of Russia but its not ok for them to retake those towns?

This is the problem with western narrative, its based on hypocrisy.

To be precise, Russia was ruled from Kyiv.

There is no serious claim that Ukraine was a colony of Russia. The irony is that Russia was a colony of Ukraine.

 

[KingKhanWC]

To be precise, Russia was ruled from Kyiv.

There is no serious claim that Ukraine was a colony of Russia. The irony is that Russia was a colony of Ukraine.

Please make a serious complaint to your history teacher.

History of Kyiv started under Rus rule. So your claim is foolish at best...

Now you are trying to some sort of fake Zionist type of history to justify Poland taking over Ukrainian areas but for weeks have been shedding tears of Russia taking territory where Russian speakers live and were oppressed by Ukranian Nazis.

This hypocrisy may go under the radar in your circle of pro-Nato regardless of logic but many others who have sense , find it amusing to read.

Let me help you out...

Poland wants land from Ukraine , it doesnt care about Ukranians. The reason why Poland has bent over to any will of Nato. This is late grandstanding knowing Russians cannot be beaten now.

 

[mazkhan]

He basically can't take it that by October riots will be erupting across Europe due to energy food prices and soaring inflation.

And everything the bumbling boris has been saying that russia will collapse and their propaganda that putin is dying from cancer and what not will all come undone and even though at a heavy price in man and material russia would come out the winner whilst pensioners will be freezing to death in the UK

 

[Junaids]

So you approve of Poland taking land in Ukraine due to history but are ignorant of the history of Russia? Kyiv and many other towns were part of Russia but its not ok for them to retake those towns?

This is the problem with western narrative, its based on hypocrisy.

I do not support any country taking land from Ukraine - whether it is Poland or Russia.

But my main teacher on European history was AJP Taylor.

And the conclusion of “The Course of German History” applies equally to Russia here, because of course in terms of foreign policy and military expansionism Putin’s Russia is a clone of Hitler’s Germany.

Russia as an independent nation is 30 years old, just as Germany was 75 years old in 1945.

But as with Germany, when a new country shows such aggression and disregard towards its neighbours, it has to be disarmed and dissected into smaller statelets.

Russia has proved that it is unfit to be permitted to hold weapons of mass destruction. It needs to be disarmed, and it needs to be chopped up into smaller states. There is no reason why it should continue to hold Asian territory, or Kaliningrad, or any Black Sea coastline, and each of those locations needs to now be removed from Russian control.

Kaliningrad is the difficult one, because if it returns to its rightful German sovereignty there are implications for Poland and Lithuania too, as both occupy significant amounts of German land.

But Russia’s time is up. The only way it can preserve its current territory is if, as I expect, Putin is soon overthrown and killed but with his death passed off as natural causes.

A new Russian government would be allowed to preserve its territory. But if Putin remains in charge the country will have to be disarmed and partitioned.

 

[Robert]

As I pointed out earlier, Kyiv was the heart of a large medieval power 600 years before Russia became a state under Ivan the Terrible.

That’s of little relevance to today.

What matters now is how the war will end. Putin has failed in his attempt at regime change in Kyiv, and will have to settle for conquering a ruined Donbas.

His legacy will be a reinforced and reintegrated NATO, an EU rapidly moving away from reliance on Russian oil and gas, and Russia becoming a Chinese client state.

 

[Robert]

He basically can't take it that by October riots will be erupting across Europe due to energy food prices and soaring inflation.

And everything the bumbling boris has been saying that russia will collapse and their propaganda that putin is dying from cancer and what not will all come undone and even though at a heavy price in man and material russia would come out the winner whilst pensioners will be freezing to death in the UK

Firstly, Johnson is useless. The Tories would do well to depose him and install someone with crisis management skills like Tugendhat.

Dunno about “across Europe” though. Countries are different.

France has seen a rise in electricity price of only 4% due to their plethora of nuclear reactors and state-owned grid.

Norway and Sweden have their HEP and most of their vehicles are electric.

UK is in a bad way though. The insistence on market forces in power generation and distribution has resulted in skyrocketing electricity prices. Add to this the problems in food production and import due to Brexit, and come the winter millions of Britons will get cold and hungry.

 

[Junaids]

I’m baffled by two things.

Given how magnificently the Russian economy has been entirely unaffected by sanctions, I don’t understand why they are now illegally holding grain shipments from Ukraine hostage.

Are they arguing that there is a security pretext for doing so? Or are they that economically desperate for the sanctions to be lifted?

Secondly, like with Mariupol the Russians are now “liberating” the people of Donbas by blowing up their houses, schools and workplaces.

What do the Russians think will happen next? They never compensated anyone in Grozny or Aleppo for the destruction of their life savings. Do they think the newly liberated Donbas residents will say “well, we used to have a house and a job and a car when we were Ukrainian, but I prefer living in the unheated cellar of a ruined building under Russian rule”.

For years the psychopath Putin has been feted by simpletons as being some sort of strategic genius. We see now that Putin is just a complete cretin, a brainless bully with the strategic vision of a banana.

 

[Reddy]

Western media is now attempting to brainwash their readers with using words like “decisive week” “critical point of war” “tactically sensitive” in order to smoothly shift from the false narrative of Ukraine winning & Russia about to withdraw from Ukraine — to Ukraine losing as Ukraine continues to lose ground on an alarming scale and propaganda footage becomes scarce.

Mass withdrawals and surrenders of Ukrainian forces are starting to take place throughout Donbas. Pro-Ukrainian propagandist accounts on Twitter have ran out of footages to post apart from the occasional video game footage. OSINT NATO-asset accounts have gone silent.

 

[Junaids]

He basically can't take it that by October riots will be erupting across Europe due to energy food prices and soaring inflation.

And everything the bumbling boris has been saying that russia will collapse and their propaganda that putin is dying from cancer and what not will all come undone and even though at a heavy price in man and material russia would come out the winner whilst pensioners will be freezing to death in the UK

It’s a very Third World view to think that people only think about themselves.

Our grandparents from 1939-45 sacrificed any semblance of a normal life to free Europe of Hitler. In effect we sacrificed our Empire to free Europe of his tyranny.

You saw the public voting with Eurovision. People know that our sacrifices are trivial compared with how Putin has destroyed the lives of our Ukrainian and Russo-Ukrainian cousins.

If the cost of weaning Europe off Russian gas is higher prices, that’s fine. Only the appalling Orban is likely to resist.

 

[Reddy]

Confirmed — Ukrainian factory making engines for Turkish drones and helicopters has been destroyed. 3 Russian Kalibr cruise missiles hit the factory

The latest order which they were working on at the workshops of the Motor Sich plant in Zaporozhye was 30x AI-450T engines for the Turkish Akinci heavy attack drone. The factory has been completely destroyed.

 

[Reddy]

Zaporozhye region, after complete liberation from Ukrainian nationalists, will take a course towards becoming part of Russia - representative of the local administration Vladimir Rogov

"There can be only one future for the Zaporozhye region - it should be part of Russia, should become a full-fledged subject of the Russian Federation. We do not need gray zones, we do not need the Zaporozhye People's Republic. We want to be part of Russia, as we always have been for hundreds of years," he said.

The return of the Zaporozhye region under the control of Ukraine is excluded, as well as negotiations with the Kyiv regime, he stressed.

 

[Robert]

It’s a very Third World view to think that people only think about themselves.

Our grandparents from 1939-45 sacrificed any semblance of a normal life to free Europe of Hitler. In effect we sacrificed our Empire to free Europe of his tyranny.

You saw the public voting with Eurovision. People know that our sacrifices are trivial compared with how Putin has destroyed the lives of our Ukrainian and Russo-Ukrainian cousins.

If the cost of weaning Europe off Russian gas is higher prices, that’s fine. Only the appalling Orban is likely to resist.

I don't think most Britons fought to rid Europe of Hitler - they fought to defend our soil and out of a feeling of duty to King and Empire. My old Da joined up because "It seemed the right thing to do" in his words. The Empire was not sacrificed for altruism, but because UK was almost bankrupted by the war.

Americans fight for liberty. They didn't need to get involved in Europe, yet they freed France, Benelux, Denmark, Italy and 2/3 of Germany from tyranny. With excellent help from the British Empire of course.

Modern Europeans are altruistic and Britons give the most to charity of any country in the world per capita. [MENTION=154102]mazkhan[/MENTION] may have a point about UK - at present most people are ok, but when cold and hunger bite enough of them, they will take to the streets with the Kremlin obviously agitating on social media, poking away at the disenfranchised. Though that's not likely in most of Europe for the reasons I have given. State intervention will stop the fuel costs going ballistic, and EU can feed itself, and most of their governments are competent unlike ours.

 

[Junaids]

Confirmed — Ukrainian factory making engines for Turkish drones and helicopters has been destroyed. 3 Russian Kalibr cruise missiles hit the factory

The latest order which they were working on at the workshops of the Motor Sich plant in Zaporozhye was 30x AI-450T engines for the Turkish Akinci heavy attack drone. The factory has been completely destroyed.

Russia only ever built around 1,500 Kalibr cruise missiles and lacks the technology to build any more.

We know that they used around 600 in the first three weeks of the war, and had used around 200 in previous years.

So they really don’t have enough left to use for anything more than publicity/demonstration purposes.

One of the desirable outcomes for NATO, unfortunately, is for Russia to continue to use up its stockpile of relatively modern weapons.

And every Kalibr used against Ukraine reduces the threat from Russia to NATO.

As I said, Russia used 600 Kalibr’s in the first 3 weeks of the war. I suspect that they have between 150 and 200 left, and when they are gone, they have no way to replace them.

 

[Reddy]

Morning briefing of the Russian Defense Ministry

— In Mariupol, the demining of the seaport was completed;

- The production workshops of the Motor Sich plant were destroyed by a missile strike

- In the area of ​​​​the railway station Pokrovskoye, units of the reserve of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed;

- Air-launched missiles hit 25 targets, incl. the radio engineering center of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the logistics center of the 72nd motorized infantry brigade and two air defense radar posts;

- Air strikes were carried out on 49 objects

- Above Barmashovo, a Mi-8 helicopter was shot down;

– 11 Ukrainian UAVs were destroyed, incl. one "Bayraktar TB-2";

- Rocket troops and artillery hit 489 targets.


Ukrop sources reported earlier that Russia was hitting Ukrainian positions from 12 AM to 5 AM nonstop.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Can't judge too much from newspaper comments but theres been a few articles where Ukrainian refugees have complained about the poor quality homes and the comments have been telling them to quit complaining and the usual " what about your own homless" troops that you would usually find under a brown/black refugee article.

I found the article about the refugee running off with her married host interesting too.

There seems to be subtle dog whistles within the writing, and the military setbacks Ukraine have suffered aren't being reported in too much detail.

When the harsh winter bites, I think our press is lining up to dump everything on the Ukranians big time and label it as we helped them at a cost of billions, they still lost to Putin and are also freeloading from us here.

By then NATO will be on Russia's doorstep anyway via Finland and Sweden and the Ukrainians can be dispensed with.

We know how quickly our establishment can turn on eastern europeans....

 

[Robert]

Can't judge too much from newspaper comments but theres been a few articles where Ukrainian refugees have complained about the poor quality homes and the comments have been telling them to quit complaining and the usual " what about your own homless" troops that you would usually find under a brown/black refugee article.

I found the article about the refugee running off with her married host interesting too.

There seems to be subtle dog whistles within the writing, and the military setbacks Ukraine have suffered aren't being reported in too much detail.

When the harsh winter bites, I think our press is lining up to dump everything on the Ukranians big time and label it as we helped them at a cost of billions, they still lost to Putin and are also freeloading from us here.

By then NATO will be on Russia's doorstep anyway via Finland and Sweden and the Ukrainians can be dispensed with.

We know how quickly our establishment can turn on eastern europeans....

If by “our establishment” you mean this Tory government and their newspaper allies. Yes, they will need some Other as scapegoat.

 

[Junaids]

If by “our establishment” you mean this Tory government and their newspaper allies. Yes, they will need some Other as scapegoat.

I have no more faith in this rabble than you do, but they have an easy scapegoat already.

“The cost of living is going up because that is the price of defeating Russian evil in Eastern Europe.”

“We know we all have to struggle a little, but if we didn’t stop the psychopathic Putin now, we would find ourselves in a direct war with him next time”.

It’s the same Get Out of Jail Free card that Bojo is using for Partygate.

 

[Robert]

I have no more faith in this rabble than you do, but they have an easy scapegoat already.

“The cost of living is going up because that is the price of defeating Russian evil in Eastern Europe.”

“We know we all have to struggle a little, but if we didn’t stop the psychopathic Putin now, we would find ourselves in a direct war with him next time”.

It’s the same Get Out of Jail Free card that Bojo is using for Partygate.

He has been incredibly lucky in a sense - the Pandemic and the war have distracted from his ineptitude and cronyism.

Sooner or later Bozo’s own party will remove him.

 

[Pakpak]

Russians making quick progress now. They should have done this since the start ie focused on the East instead of bumbling about near Kyiv with lumbering 40km convoys

Everyone knows I've bashed how poor Russian invasion has been. Hilariously bad.

Saying that it's astounding the delusions some western sources have. There is no way Ukraine is taking back Crimea or all occupied zones again

 

[mazkhan]

Russians making quick progress now. They should have done this since the start ie focused on the East instead of bumbling about near Kyiv with lumbering 40km convoys

Everyone knows I've bashed how poor Russian invasion has been. Hilariously bad.

Saying that it's astounding the delusions some western sources have. There is no way Ukraine is taking back Crimea or all occupied zones again

Kyiv was a logistical blunder but once they have liberated donbas they should go again on kiev , sumy and kharkiv.

They need better drones and air support in these regions along with napalming the surrounding forests or applying agent orange that way when the convoy hits the road it can't be ambushed by guerilla fighters hiding in trees and marshland. In those areas the resistance used the terrain to its advantage and russian tanks could not leave the road due to sinking in the marshy mud .

Russia shouldn't abide by intl norms since the usa nato thugs never did and used all sorts of ghastly weapons from Vietnam to Iraq to Afghanistan. Notice how they never speak about the crimes in yemen and the famine there caused by their sandal wearing najdi puppets.

If ukraines use artillery then with better counter batteries radars and airpower russia should pinpoint them and carry out precision strikes.

We need russia to win so alongwith China they can break this zionist mafia cabal which has the rest of the world hostage through economic and monetary blackmail.

 

[Reddy]

Prague, Czech Republic — shops in Prague are displaying signs “Ukrainians not allowed to enter” as they complain about their behaviour and constant theft. Many Landlords in the Czech Republic also specifically state they will not accept Ukrainian refugees as many apartments were reported vandalized with swastikas, robbed and destroyed.

 

[Reddy]

Ukrainian government says that Russian troops outnumber the Ukrop forces by up to 7 to 1 in Donbas.

This is the same government that claimed numbers such as 10 dead Russians for 1 Ukrainian soldier.

Has Russia started mobilizing zombies?

Where are the 700k Ukrop military personnel?

What happened, Zelensky? Reality catching up to fantasies? Oh boy.

 

[Reddy]

Israel bans Germany from supplying Spike missiles to Ukraine

Israel has rejected a US request to allow Berlin to supply Ukraine with German-made anti-tank missiles based on Israeli technology under an Israeli license. This was reported by two US and Israeli officials.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Prague, Czech Republic — shops in Prague are displaying signs “Ukrainians not allowed to enter” as they complain about their behaviour and constant theft. Many Landlords in the Czech Republic also specifically state they will not accept Ukrainian refugees as many apartments were reported vandalized with swastikas, robbed and destroyed.

I sadly think something similar is brewing in the UK.

It seems like we are getting ready to dump on the Ukranians.

 

[JaDed]

US should just stop backing Israel, time and time again Israel is known to give a nose cut to US.

It was getting better during Obama era where there was clear dislike among the establishments.

 

[Reddy]

I sadly think something similar is brewing in the UK.

It seems like we are getting ready to dump on the Ukranians.

Nobody likes the loser, it is the way of the world. The massive propaganda will have to face reality at some point, so the western establishments are slowly conditioning their public for the reality.

 

[Technics 1210]

Just remember folks, the UK didn’t think much of Ukrainians, in fact, Ukrainians were known for their racist behaviours, including hooliganism at football matches where Ukrainians were banned for Nazi salutes etc.

Now, at a blink of an eye, the ‘perception’ of Ukrainians has changed all because Putin is at the helm thanks to the MSM.

You better believe it, once the dust settles, once UK citizens are forced to assimilate with Ukrainian refugees in the UK, the reality will kick in, and Ukrainians will be at the end of criticism.

But it’s ok, the liberal facists will house them, cos they are European, and white.

 

[Reddy]

US should just stop backing Israel, time and time again Israel is known to give a nose cut to US.

It was getting better during Obama era where there was clear dislike among the establishments.

What kind of a post is this? Israel and Russia share a good relationship, if Israelis torch this relationship on American order then Russia can make life a living hell for Israel by supplying advanced weapons to Syria and Iran. Americans understand that Israel is a Independent country and not their vassal state like most of the European countries.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I do not support any country taking land from Ukraine - whether it is Poland or Russia.

But my main teacher on European history was AJP Taylor.
.

This is not what you suggested earlier, in a rush to support all Nato nations but Im glad you've realised the hypocrisy. I have no idea who AJP Taylor is but it seems you do enjoy telling personal tales. He/She should know Russian people have more right to Kyiv than any other ethnic group.

Its not important as you accept Poland is wrong to eye up land in Ukraine. If Poland does take land, should there be sanctions, armed attacks against them as there have been against Russia? If not why not?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ukrainian government says that Russian troops outnumber the Ukrop forces by up to 7 to 1 in Donbas.

This is the same government that claimed numbers such as 10 dead Russians for 1 Ukrainian soldier.

Has Russia started mobilizing zombies?

Where are the 700k Ukrop military personnel?

What happened, Zelensky? Reality catching up to fantasies? Oh boy.

Around 20,000 Ukranian troops are on the verge of either capture, surrender or death. But yet the puppet PM of Ukraine is desperate for them to continue fighting after securing $40 billion from the Yanks.

It seems Nato are scared of humiliation, more desperate times for the great powers who failed to beat the poor Taliban farmers.

 

[Reddy]

Around 20,000 Ukranian troops are on the verge of either capture, surrender or death. But yet the puppet PM of Ukraine is desperate for them to continue fighting after securing $40 billion from the Yanks.

It seems Nato are scared of humiliation, more desperate times for the great powers who failed to beat the poor Taliban farmers.

Even that 40 Billion is for corruption purpose, most of it is going to American forces to replenish weapons stock and the rest will be siphoned off by corrupt politicians in Ukraine, only 6 Billion out of 40 is weapons aid. Just check out the hilarious breakdown of this 40 billion package:

https://www.reuters.com/world/big-items-washingtons-40-billion-ukraine-aid-package-2022-05-19/

 

[JaDed]

What kind of a post is this? Israel and Russia share a good relationship, if Israelis torch this relationship on American order then Russia can make life a living hell for Israel by supplying advanced weapons to Syria and Iran. Americans understand that Israel is a Independent country and not their vassal state like most of the European countries.

No one backs Israel like US does, goes out of its way to support Israel.

If Israel is an “Independent “ country then they should stop helping it.

“Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly US$3 billion in annual grants to Israel, which has been the largest recipient of annual American aid from 1976 to 2004 and the largest cumulative recipient of aid ($146 billion, not inflation-adjusted) since World War II; approximately 74 percent of these funds are ...”

-Wiki

 

[Reddy]

No one backs Israel like US does, goes out of its way to support Israel.

If Israel is an “Independent “ country then they should stop helping it.

“Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly US$3 billion in annual grants to Israel, which has been the largest recipient of annual American aid from 1976 to 2004 and the largest cumulative recipient of aid ($146 billion, not inflation-adjusted) since World War II; approximately 74 percent of these funds are ...”

-Wiki

My post was explanation about why Israel will not destroy its relationship with Russia on American diktat, as for that 3 Billion Aid? It is required by law that money should go to American weapons companies. So, America is just doing its usual political - Military Industrial complex corruption.

 

[Junaids]

This is not what you suggested earlier, in a rush to support all Nato nations but Im glad you've realised the hypocrisy. I have no idea who AJP Taylor is but it seems you do enjoy telling personal tales. He/She should know Russian people have more right to Kyiv than any other ethnic group.

Its not important as you accept Poland is wrong to eye up land in Ukraine. If Poland does take land, should there be sanctions, armed attacks against them as there have been against Russia? If not why not?

Don’t worry, for once this is a positive, friendly post that I’m making!

AJP Taylor has been dead for three decades, but he is the most important historian on modern European history. He did not accept the cartoonish “Hitler bad, Roosevelt good, Churchill better” paradigm for World War 2.

Your arguments about Russia’s planning and design in Ukraine are similar to his beliefs which destroyed the “Nuremberg Thesis” (the previously universally accepted view that World War 2 began due to a psychopathic and lawless German dictatorship). He argued, similarly to you, that Hitler’s foreign policy was barely different to previous German foreign policy.

Please read it, or at least read the summary of his work on Wikipedia. It will probably help you to refine your own arguments on the Russian side to be honest.

 

[Robert]

My post was explanation about why Israel will not destroy its relationship with Russia on American diktat, as for that 3 Billion Aid? It is required by law that money should go to American weapons companies. So, America is just doing its usual political - Military Industrial complex corruption.

The Tel Aviv-Moscow relationship is historically bad, as Israel took many Jewish refugees fleeing Russian persecution, and USSR armed Israel’s enemies including Iraq, Egypt and Syria,

The relationship thawed because Putin and Sharon got on well, but it is deteriorating again due to Putin’s UKR adventure.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Don’t worry, for once this is a positive, friendly post that I’m making!

AJP Taylor has been dead for three decades, but he is the most important historian on modern European history. He did not accept the cartoonish “Hitler bad, Roosevelt good, Churchill better” paradigm for World War 2.

Your arguments about Russia’s planning and design in Ukraine are similar to his beliefs which destroyed the “Nuremberg Thesis” (the previously universally accepted view that World War 2 began due to a psychopathic and lawless German dictatorship). He argued, similarly to you, that Hitler’s foreign policy was barely different to previous German foreign policy.

Please read it, or at least read the summary of his work on Wikipedia. It will probably help you to refine your own arguments on the Russian side to be honest.

There are many historians but many you wont agree with as doesnt fit into the Nato proxy narrative.

You failed to answer questions relating to this topic.
Lets move on from weak diversions.

If Poland does take land, should there be sanctions, armed attacks against them as there have been against Russia? If not why not?

 

[Junaids]

There are many historians but many you wont agree with as doesnt fit into the Nato proxy narrative.

You failed to answer questions relating to this topic.
Lets move on from weak diversions.

If Poland does take land, should there be sanctions, armed attacks against them as there have been against Russia? If not why not?

If Poland unilaterally seizes Ukrainian land by armed force, yes. And more so if it targets civilians.

I’ll go further, and surprise you.

On 1 September 1939, Hitler invaded Poland (actually to regain the 97% German city of Danzig). The British Empire had a mutual defence treaty with Poland, so that brought the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand into the war.

But the USSR simultaneously invaded Poland from the East - Hitler and Stalin coordinated their attacks.

Danzig was a flimsy pretext for war anyway, as it was legitimately German. But I firmly believe that we should have declared war on the USSR at the same time as we did against Germany as they did the same thing - they both invaded Poland simultaneously.

You attack me for parroting Western history. Well western history has spent 83 years trying to pretend that Stalin didn’t invade Poland too!

 

[KingKhanWC]

If Poland unilaterally seizes Ukrainian land by armed force, yes. And more so if it targets civilians.

I’ll go further, and surprise you.

On 1 September 1939, Hitler invaded Poland (actually to regain the 97% German city of Danzig). The British Empire had a mutual defence treaty with Poland, so that brought the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand into the war.

But the USSR simultaneously invaded Poland from the East - Hitler and Stalin coordinated their attacks.

Danzig was a flimsy pretext for war anyway, as it was legitimately German. But I firmly believe that we should have declared war on the USSR at the same time as we did against Germany as they did the same thing - they both invaded Poland simultaneously.

You attack me for parroting Western history. Well western history has spent 83 years trying to pretend that Stalin didn’t invade Poland too!

Please start another thread on history of Europe. There are many narratives. E.g the official number of Jews killed vastly overstated.

Its the only sensible answer yet Zelinsky was hosting the Polish leader discussing this against the wishes of the Ukranian people.

What this shows is NATO , Zeinskly the puppet and the Nazis do not care for the Ukranian people. Neither do those blindly follow their western governments narratives, majority are mere sheep who will follow what they are told ie. clap for nurses, take vaccines, use LGBT flag, Ukrainian flag.

You dont care for Ukranians but feel as sense of loyalty towards Nato because its a western military org. If you look at this conflict in neutral terms you will not be so upset when Russia declares victrory.

 

[Robert]

Well western history has spent 83 years trying to pretend that Stalin didn’t invade Poland too!

Did it? I thought everyone knew about the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact. Well, anyone who has opened a history book. Some of us still buy history books.

 

[Junaids]

Did it? I thought everyone knew about the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact. Well, anyone who has opened a history book. Some of us still buy history books.

Sure, but I was taught it - at Manchester Grammar - primarily as “this was signed so that Hitler wouldn’t find Stalin entering the war to protect Poland.

It’s not a conspiracy, but I just wasn’t taught that Stalin a fortnight later invaded and occupied Poland up to the Curzon Line.

Which raises a serious question: if we had treaty obligations to fight for Poland, why didn’t we fight against Stalin when he invaded Poland just days after Hitler did?

 

[Junaids]

Interesting video today of Russian soldiers refusing to fight in Donbas.

When Russia invented the Donetsk and Luhansk “independence movements” it set each of them up with their own independent republic, rather than a single one.

Now Donetsk Republic soldiers who are exhausted after 3 months of fighting against the Ukrainian armed forces are refusing to be deployed to Luhansk, claiming that it is a foreign country.

 

[Junaids]

Oh, and in the video the Donetsk soldiers say that at Mariupol the Donetsk brigade lost 40% of their men dead or disabled.

 

[Robert]

Sure, but I was taught it - at Manchester Grammar - primarily as “this was signed so that Hitler wouldn’t find Stalin entering the war to protect Poland.

It’s not a conspiracy, but I just wasn’t taught that Stalin a fortnight later invaded and occupied Poland up to the Curzon Line.

Which raises a serious question: if we had treaty obligations to fight for Poland, why didn’t we fight against Stalin when he invaded Poland just days after Hitler did?

Doesn't it.

Clearly the USSR was an expansionist totalitarian state in 1939, invading Poland and Finland.

I guess British and French policy was all about appeasement of Hitler before that, and Stalin was considered an irrelevant nineteenth-century sideshow.

But after UK's strong ally France fell, UK needed allies and when Operation Barbarossa went ahead in 1941, the enemy of my enemy became my friend until 1945.

 

[Reddy]

Russia has captured Liman, Russian flags unfurled and even Ukrainian propaganda accounts have accepted it after 24 hours of keeping quiet about it. Good news just keeps on pouring day after day for Russia.

 

[Reddy]

News of the liberated territories.

1. In the Kherson region, a structure of its own Ministry of Internal Affairs will be created, which will be directly subordinate to the CAA of the Kherson region.

2. The Zaporozhye region switched to Moscow time and is not going to return to Ukrainian time.

3. Russian radio stations launched in Berdyansk. The work was carried out by specialists from the Crimea.

4. Points of simplified issuance of Russian passports are planned to be opened in Kherson. The CAA of the Kherson region wants to speed up the process of passportization.

5. The head of Energodar, wounded , said that he was recovering and would return to work in 3 weeks.

6. The representative of the Zaporizhzhya VGA Rogov proposed to transfer all the military bases of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to Russia.

7. In Skadovsk, the process of paying social benefits began + the restoration of the monument to Lenin, which was demolished by the Nazis from the Right Sector, was announced.

 

[Reddy]

It is reported from Mariupol that the loading of goods on the first cargo ship after the liberation of the city has begun in the Seaport of Mariupol. They are loading 25-ton steel coils that were stacked at the port - their total cost was estimated at $170 million.

The port will also receive ships with building materials necessary for the restoration of the city.

 

[mazkhan]

Once mariupol was taken by the chechens and azov nazis captured

Looks like the ukranian resistance has lost all wind its sails.

Brave of them to stand toe to toe but a russian routing them is invetiable, Russia will have to make some serious battlefield blunders now for the tide to turn but with the Russians you never know.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Once mariupol was taken by the chechens and azov nazis captured

Looks like the ukranian resistance has lost all wind its sails.

Brave of them to stand toe to toe but a russian routing them is invetiable, Russia will have to make some serious battlefield blunders now for the tide to turn but with the Russians you never know.

so im still confused why are the chechens involved

 

[mazkhan]

They have a chechen paramilitary unit in Russia headed by kadyrov .

They have learnt to live with russians and Islam is flourishing there and putin is very respectful of Islam and against blasphemy.

Chechens have stopped listening to whispering najdis and arabs who came and incited rebellions.