Russia invades Ukraine

[bones]

Europe is NOT doing a lot worse. Most countries do not depend on Russian gas. Germans and a couple of other countries do. A reduction in gas usage this winter along with increasing renewables (and some coal and nuclear) along with higher fuel prices, will allow us to manage this winter. It’s going to be a little difficult, but Europe is preparing to overcome.

Put it simply, if Europe learns to manage without Russian gas this winter, Russia could lose a significant chunk of revenue from gas in the long run.

In short, Europe are not doing a lot worse. In fact, things haven’t changed that much till now. They will get more difficult, but the Germans are prepared.

It is - it is doing a lot worse. They still actually think Russia as an economy is on par or worse than Italy. This is a country rich with some of the most essential commodities our civilisation needs and people think they are being bled.

I am not an economist so I refer to people who understand economics and give us the truth and not watered down garbage that MSM does.

https://peakprosperity.com/ecb-raises-rates-the-golden-ruble/

 

[Sidilicious]

This is not about hurting Russia.

It's about helping Ukraine defend themselves from the despot Putin.

If Putin falls as a result, and Russia becomes a democracy again, all to the good.

Ukraine cannot be expected to win the war on the battle grounds. The best they can do is the occasional counter attacks and hold on to what they have.

The war can only end if Putin goes, and Putin will only go if he either loses or people on the streets have had enough of him.

For the people on the streets to have had enough, the economy needs to weakened. And that’s where European sanctions come in.

From a European perspective, Russia cutting of gas supplies could be a blessing in disguise if we move to more renewables or setup the global supply to be more flexible and not depend on one country.

 

[Sidilicious]

It is - it is doing a lot worse. They still actually think Russia as an economy is on par or worse than Italy. This is a country rich with some of the most essential commodities our civilisation needs and people think they are being bled.

I am not an economist so I refer to people who understand economics and give us the truth and not watered down garbage that MSM does.

https://peakprosperity.com/ecb-raises-rates-the-golden-ruble/

I live in Germany and see things as they are. We are doing much better than the article. We are definitely not as bad as the UK. We didn’t see the October and April energy price rises you did (not to the same extent). We will have one in October, but with a lot of govt assistance.

Do not compare the situation in UK with that in Germany.

 

[Technics 1210]

Europe is in the pits, and this was before the Ukraine war. Just look at the state if their economy in the EU/EZ region, prior to Feb 2022.

Negative rates.
High unemployment.
Inflation.
Rise of right wing parties.

All Ukraine was has done has accelerated the demise of Europe.

 

[Robert]

Not according to Lloyd Austin. According to him it is about "weakening Russia".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-austin-is-right-russia-weakened-ukraine-war/

The whole quote is:

“We want to see Russia weakened to the degree that it can’t do the kinds of things that it has done in invading Ukraine” .

 

[bones]

Ukraine cannot be expected to win the war on the battle grounds. The best they can do is the occasional counter attacks and hold on to what they have.

The war can only end if Putin goes, and Putin will only go if he either loses or people on the streets have had enough of him.

For the people on the streets to have had enough, the economy needs to weakened. And that’s where European sanctions come in.

From a European perspective, Russia cutting of gas supplies could be a blessing in disguise if we move to more renewables or setup the global supply to be more flexible and not depend on one country.

Answer these simple questions.

1. Do you think Russia and China didn't plan for these sanctions long before the conflict started? Please note that Russia would never have gone into Ukraine without China's backing.
2. If the economic shock and awe didn't stop the Russians in March (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-economic-sanctions-ukraine-60-minutes-2022-03-20/), why would they stop them now given winter is around the corner?
3. Did anyone in the collective west think the sanctions would backfire in this way? Germans and Italians and other European nations are now introducing energy rationing and energy bills are 2/3/4 times higher.
4. Why would the average Russian call for Putin to step down when they see the actions of the collective west as Russophobia (this is a term they are using).

 

[bones]

The whole quote is:

“We want to see Russia weakened to the degree that it can’t do the kinds of things that it has done in invading Ukraine” .

Precisely - he wants to weaken Russia. I have no problem with that statement, it's good it's a politician telling the public what they really think and the truth. This is about weakening Russia more than "liberating Ukraine".

 

[bones]

Some people here think Putin might be losing popularity - according to polls and the average Russian on social media. Due to the "Russophobic" actions of the west - things like blocking visas/travel, blocking Russian culture and destroying monuments, Putin's popularity is higher than pre-Feb.

If the west thought they had any chance of a regime change, their actions in the last few months has pretty much destroyed that. The regime changes are happening across Europe lol.

 

[Technics 1210]

West thought they could weaken Russia through economic sanctions - my word, one of the greatest shots in the foot in political history. Russia’s economy has gone through the roof, West is suffering because of said sanctions.

Weakening Russia in terms of military is meaningless in this day and age where wars are not fought in the conventional way anymore.

The West have achieved one thing, uniting the East against the bully boys of the world - Amreeka and its Lapdogs.

 

[Technics 1210]

Some people here think Putin might be losing popularity - according to polls and the average Russian on social media. Due to the "Russophobic" actions of the west - things like blocking visas/travel, blocking Russian culture and destroying monuments, Putin's popularity is higher than pre-Feb.

If the west thought they had any chance of a regime change, their actions in the last few months has pretty much destroyed that. The regime changes are happening across Europe lol.

Europe is returning to what it has done best, fascism and war. For example, Italy is ripe for a fascist PM take over soon.

 

[Junaids]

Darth Putin tweet for today:

“By surrending in #Kherson, Russian army is achieving my goal of demilitarizing Ukraine.

I remain a master strategist.”

 

[Junaids]

49 dead today as Azerbaijan ignores Russian peacekeepers and tries to reclaim territory beyond the ceasefire line in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Russia never was a bigger military power than Turkey in pre-USSR days, and they have clearly lost the ability to intimidate Armenia and Azerbaijan into respecting their unwanted and unwelcome peacekeepers.

 

[Junaids]

The deNazification of Kharkiv is now complete.

Because the Russian Army has run away.

 

[Junaids]

As the Ukrainians advance it has become very clear that Russia has been practising ethnic cleansing completely ineptly in Donbas and around Kharkiv.

Many ethnic Ukrainians had already fled west to Kyiv and Lviv. But it's become obvious that Russia has been transferring moderate ethnic Russians out of Donbas and Kharkiv into Russia,and has been sending Russians to live in the occupied zone.

Sadly, it's having the opposite effect to what the Russians intended. Now the hard-core pro-Russian ethnic Russian Ukrainians are fleeing to Russia for fear of being prosecuted for Collaboration.

While the ethnic Ukrainians are likely to return, and the moderate pro-Ukraine ethnic Russians still want to stay.

Russia has effectively provided a textbook case of Ethnic Self-Cleansing. In which you try to get rid of the other group, but succeed only in making members of your own group who support you have to leave, ensuring that the other group becomes dominant.

Hitler ended up Ethnic Self-Cleansing when he took the German-inhabited Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia in 1938. When Germany lost in 1945 the end result was that the Czechs expelled all the Germans from the area - and they were 93% of the population.

He managed the same feat with Poland. World War 2 was precipitated by Hitler seizing Danzig, which was 96% ethnic German. Now it is Gdansk, with less than 0.1% of the population still ethnic German.

Putin clearly admires Hitler a lot - this war is like a repeat of the invasions of Czechoslovakia and Poland, on the same flimsy ethnic pretexts.

And, like Hitler, we have rapidly progressed from talk of bogus independence referendums to a situation in which the invading dictator is causing his ethnic group to be self-cleansed out of where they live.

 

[sweep_shot]

Putin clearly admires Hitler a lot - this war is like a repeat of the invasions of Czechoslovakia and Poland, on the same flimsy ethnic pretexts.

And, like Hitler, we have rapidly progressed from talk of bogus independence referendums to a situation in which the invading dictator is causing his ethnic group to be self-cleansed out of where they live.

Why would Putin admire Hitler? Russia fought Nazis in WW2.

Also, one of the official reasons Putin gave for attacking Ukraine was to target the Nazis.

 

[Technics 1210]

Why would Putin admire Hitler? Russia fought Nazis in WW2.

Also, one of the official reasons Putin gave for attacking Ukraine was to target the Nazis.

NATO apologists cannot make a point without invoking Godwin's law. This is why they compare today's wars with previous wars, because their viewpoint is intellectually bankrupt hence some are desperate enough to compare Ukraine war with the Civil War in America.

It's all they got. History.

As we are constantly reminded, past performances is not an indication of future performance, unless we talk about Europe waging wars and giving rise to rightwing ideologies.

 

[cpleigh]

Rumours Russia has surrended in Snigirevka.

That gives Ukraine a direct road to Kherson

 

[Technics 1210]

Inflation in Germany sets hew high!
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Soaring energy costs are pushing up consumer prices, official statistics show

Annual inflation in Germany accelerated to 8.8% in August, the highest level in nearly 50 years, finalized data from the Federal Statistical Office (Destatis) showed on Tuesday.

According to the agency’s press release, the figure rose from 8.5% in July (on an EU-harmonized basis), driven by soaring prices of energy products and food. When using German standards, consumer prices rose by 7.9%, in line with market forecasts.

“The main reason for the high inflation still is price rises for energy products and food. Two measures of the relief package had a slight downward effect on the overall inflation rate especially from June to August 2022: the €9 ticket and the fuel discount,” said Destatis President Georg Thiel.

The report highlighted that energy product prices were up 35.6% year-on-year despite the relief measures. There was a particularly large price increase for household energy, it noted. Heating oil prices more than doubled, while natural gas prices surged by 83.8%.

Germany’s cost-of-living crisis also saw food prices soar by 16.6%, accelerating for the sixth month in a row

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Despite this economic news, NATO bots continue with their propaganda that all is ok in Europe.

 

[bones]

Junaids talk about Putin admin Hitler - what a joke. But let's humour him for a moment as say he's right, what about the nation of Ukraine who hold Stepan Bandera in such high esteem. They have statues of him!

 

[sweep_shot]

NATO apologists cannot make a point without invoking Godwin's law. This is why they compare today's wars with previous wars, because their viewpoint is intellectually bankrupt hence some are desperate enough to compare Ukraine war with the Civil War in America.

It's all they got. History.

As we are constantly reminded, past performances is not an indication of future performance, unless we talk about Europe waging wars and giving rise to rightwing ideologies.

Right.

I also noticed another thing.

They mention Russia's past war histories but conveniently ignore atrocities of America and British Empire. What Russia is doing in Ukraine is nothing compared to what America did in Middle East. America doesn't have any moral ground to stand on after what they did in Iraq and other countries.

 

[sweep_shot]

Junaids talk about Putin admin Hitler - what a joke. But let's humour him for a moment as say he's right, what about the nation of Ukraine who hold Stepan Bandera in such high esteem. They have statues of him!

I used to think he was posting genuinely numbers/figures. I later on realized most numbers (if not all) of his are simply his biased and often inaccurate guesses.

Anytime Junaids posts a number/statistics/data about anything, I always look to verify first.

 

[Sidilicious]

Inflation in Germany sets hew high!
---------------

Soaring energy costs are pushing up consumer prices, official statistics show

Annual inflation in Germany accelerated to 8.8% in August, the highest level in nearly 50 years, finalized data from the Federal Statistical Office (Destatis) showed on Tuesday.

According to the agency’s press release, the figure rose from 8.5% in July (on an EU-harmonized basis), driven by soaring prices of energy products and food. When using German standards, consumer prices rose by 7.9%, in line with market forecasts.

“The main reason for the high inflation still is price rises for energy products and food. Two measures of the relief package had a slight downward effect on the overall inflation rate especially from June to August 2022: the €9 ticket and the fuel discount,” said Destatis President Georg Thiel.

The report highlighted that energy product prices were up 35.6% year-on-year despite the relief measures. There was a particularly large price increase for household energy, it noted. Heating oil prices more than doubled, while natural gas prices surged by 83.8%.

Germany’s cost-of-living crisis also saw food prices soar by 16.6%, accelerating for the sixth month in a row

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Despite this economic news, NATO bots continue with their propaganda that all is ok in Europe.

Please be aware that Russian inflation is twice that of Germany. If Europe is struggling, then wouldn’t you agree that for Russia that is crippling levels of inflation?

 

[Junaids]

Why would Putin admire Hitler? Russia fought Nazis in WW2.

Also, one of the official reasons Putin gave for attacking Ukraine was to target the Nazis.

Wrong.

Germany and the USSR signed a secret protocol in the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact of August 1939, by which they jointly invaded and annexed Poland.

The Russians chose to align themselves with the Nazis.

What changed was that 20 months later Germany broke the pact and invaded Russia.

In reality, the last 25 years have seen Russian nationalism become openly Fascist.

Putin’s government to be quite honest has no beliefs or convictions - it is strictly there for the purposes of allowing gangsters to control the country and enrich themselves. It is essentially identical to the black African banana republic dictatorships.

But Putin uses Fascists and Neo-Nazis in his military structures, just as Ukraine does.

But his propaganda for his brainwashed public invokes “Nazis” as the enemy in Ukraine, even though their President is a Russian Jew. It’s an insult to the intelligence of anybody with even half a brain.

 

[Technics 1210]

Please be aware that Russian inflation is twice that of Germany. If Europe is struggling, then wouldn’t you agree that for Russia that is crippling levels of inflation?

No I would not agree an iota simply because Russia doesn’t have an energy crisis pushing inflation up. Instead, inflation is declining in Russia.

Instead, Russia’s currency is getting stronger, and as a result, Russia is LOWERING its interest rates, while the West is raising rates.

Bloomberg:

Russia’s central bank brought interest rates below their level before the invasion of Ukraine, seizing on steep slowdown in inflation to ease monetary policy more than forecast.

Policy makers lowered their benchmark to 8% from 9.5% on Friday and signaled they will consider further reductions in the second half of the year. The fifth straight cut was bigger than predicted by any of the economists surveyed by Bloomberg.

The ruble extended its drop against the dollar after the announcement and weakened as much as 2.6%. Speaking to reporters in Moscow, Governor Elvira Nabiullina said broad-based declines in prices and falling inflation expectations motivated the decision.

“Incoming data indicate that the economic downturn will be more prolonged in time and possibly less deep,” she said. Among the three easing options it considered, the central bank opted for the deepest rate cut, she said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...t-on-russia-rates-with-a-cut-likely-day-guide



Now, please provide evidence Russia’s inflation rate is twice that of Germany as you claimed. Where is it?

 

[Technics 1210]

Right.

I also noticed another thing.

They mention Russia's past war histories but conveniently ignore atrocities of America and British Empire. What Russia is doing in Ukraine is nothing compared to what America did in Middle East. America doesn't have any moral ground to stand on after what they did in Iraq and other countries.

It’s all propaganda, NATO bots make Joseph Goebbels look like an armature.

 

[Robert]

Putin doesn't admire Hitler. I'm seeing the corporate cronyism and desire for empire, but not the vicious racist rhetoric.

His heroes are probably Ivan the Terrible, Catherine the Great, Stalin, Marshall Zhukov, and Khrushchev.

 

[Robert]

Right.

I also noticed another thing.

They mention Russia's past war histories but conveniently ignore atrocities of America and British Empire. What Russia is doing in Ukraine is nothing compared to what America did in Middle East. America doesn't have any moral ground to stand on after what they did in Iraq and other countries.

Putin also destroyed a ME people, in Syria.

Take each issue at a time. This is about democracy in Ukraine. Sláva Ukrayíni! Heróyam sláva!

 

[sweep_shot]

Wrong.

Germany and the USSR signed a secret protocol in the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact of August 1939, by which they jointly invaded and annexed Poland.

The Russians chose to align themselves with the Nazis.

What changed was that 20 months later Germany broke the pact and invaded Russia.

In reality, the last 25 years have seen Russian nationalism become openly Fascist.

Putin’s government to be quite honest has no beliefs or convictions - it is strictly there for the purposes of allowing gangsters to control the country and enrich themselves. It is essentially identical to the black African banana republic dictatorships.

But Putin uses Fascists and Neo-Nazis in his military structures, just as Ukraine does.

But his propaganda for his brainwashed public invokes “Nazis” as the enemy in Ukraine, even though their President is a Russian Jew. It’s an insult to the intelligence of anybody with even half a brain.

It doesn't matter what they signed or didn't sign. Treaties often get signed even among enemies.

What matters is Russians fought the Nazis and defeated them. Russians also celebrate their WW2 accomplishments every year.

It is an inaccurate thing to say Putin admires Hitler.

 

[Technics 1210]

It doesn't matter what they signed or didn't sign. Treaties often get signed even among enemies.

What matters is Russians fought the Nazis and defeated them. Russians also celebrate their WW2 accomplishments every year.

It is an inaccurate thing to say Putin admires Hitler.

Yet not a single NATO member remembers the 25 Million Russians who sacrificed their lives when defeating Nazism in WW2.

These same NATO members weep for their fallen because it honours those who sacrificed their lives for freedom and liberty, but Russian do not count.

Sickening.

 

[Sidilicious]

No I would not agree an iota simply because Russia doesn’t have an energy crisis pushing inflation up. Instead, inflation is declining in Russia.

Instead, Russia’s currency is getting stronger, and as a result, Russia is LOWERING its interest rates, while the West is raising rates.

Bloomberg:



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...t-on-russia-rates-with-a-cut-likely-day-guide



Now, please provide evidence Russia’s inflation rate is twice that of Germany as you claimed. Where is it?

Whether you agree or not ain’t making an iota of difference to the reality. The reality is that Russian inflation is at 15%

As for proof, it’s in the graph in the article quoted by ypu

 

[SalimBhai]

Right.

I also noticed another thing.

They mention Russia's past war histories but conveniently ignore atrocities of America and British Empire. What Russia is doing in Ukraine is nothing compared to what America did in Middle East. America doesn't have any moral ground to stand on after what they did in Iraq and other countries.

Now do Ottoman Empire as Muslim conquests of others lands

 

[Technics 1210]

Whether you agree or not ain’t making an iota of difference to the reality. The reality is that Russian inflation is at 15%

As for proof, it’s in the graph in the article quoted by ypu

Okay if you say so.

The rate of inflation is declining.

 

[SalimBhai]

As stated earlier. Russia is definitely on the back foot. Let’s see what happens next. All this nonsense about europe and long winter. I was in europe for 2.5 months. It’s fine. They will make it. Through.

 

[Technics 1210]

Should add, Germany's rate of inflation is 8.8%, double that, 17.6%

Russia's inflation rate is not double that of Germany.

 

[sweep_shot]

Like @KKWC says, too many James Bond movies.

I know James Bond is a fictional character and I quite enjoy the movies, but boy, some take the movies too seriously.

Why not just send in Rambo!? He fought against Afghanistan single handedly! )

Junaids seems to have this delusion that America can just walk over Russia, China etc.

He also doesn't seem to have respect for any culture that doesn't match western culture (he has demonstrated that in other threads).

What he doesn't realize is Russia didn't even use their full army in this conflict. Russia was mostly using mercenaries and young conscripts. It was never an all-out war.

Also, we have seen how Americans botched it up in Afghanistan. They went home defeated and with high debt; over $30-trillion debt now.

 

[Technics 1210]

Junaids seems to have this delusion that America can just walk over Russia, China etc.

He also doesn't seem to have respect for any culture that doesn't match western culture (he has demonstrated that in other threads).

What he doesn't realize is Russia didn't even use their full army in this conflict. Russia was mostly using mercenaries and young conscripts. It was never an all-out war.

Also, we have seen how Americans botched it up in Afghanistan. They went home defeated and with high debt; over $30-trillion debt now.

One of the downsides of living down-under, detached from the world, and consequently, reality.

Though saying this, since the start of this war, the hypocrisy, fascism, and racism of the West have been exposed to new heights. Even liberals at it with their "You are with us or get out of our country" nonsense. Shocking to read.

I blame Liberalism and ZMSM as you know, and frankly the majority of the opinions from NATO bots in this thread can be read on the DailyFail site or BBC news feed.

 

[SalimBhai]

Don’t ever cross putin
https://www.newsweek.com/putins-key-man-artic-found-dead-after-falling-overboard-1742218?amp=1

 

[the Great Khan]

Yes that is my logic.

The USA targets evil murderers like Saddam Hussein or Bin Laden or the Taliban, who are now safely ensconced in Hell where they belong.

Russia attacks democracies like Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine.

By the way, the BBC charter assures its editorial neutrality as does Ofcom as the regulator.

And what are the only two broadcasters to be stripped of their UK broadcasting licences due to bias?

Russia Today and Fox News.

What a surprise!

Are you just trying to trigger people now? This post just sums up what a idiot you are. God save us from the boomers please..

 

[the Great Khan]

Putin also destroyed a ME people, in
Take each issue at a time. This is about democracy in Ukraine. Sláva Ukrayíni! Heróyam sláva!

If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you..

 

[SalimBhai]

Putin did not bomb the hell out of Syria?

 

[cpleigh]

Loads of rumours about Moscow and Putin...

 

[MenInG]

Ukrainians 'advancing about 20km a day'

The Ukrainians are advancing by about 20km a day by using standard military principles, defence analyst Michael Clarke has told Sky News.

The former director-general of the Royal United Services Institute said that after the Russians invaded, they were "lucky to be moving at 1km a day in the last five months".

"They're following the standard military principle of two up, one behind.

"Which is two units up on the front and one unit behind them.

"The Ukrainians have undoubtedly got another division they could put into this battle that they’re holding back.

"One division in Kherson, one in Kharkiv, and another division waiting.

"The point is the Ukrainians have the choice of what to do next.

"The Russians don’t have a lot of choices at the moment because they're fully stretched and it will take time for them to get reinforcements."

He said in Kherson there are unconfirmed reports of local ceasefires, or local surrenders, being arranged, particularly in the north, because the Russians are out of ammunition and other essential supplies.

It follows a series of attacks on bridges that Russian logistics have to cross to maintain supplies.

Prof Clarke said: "The Russians are clearly under pressure and they may or may not crack, in the same way that they’ve cracked in the Donbas.

"But the troops that the Russians have got in Kherson are better quality troops in general. So, if they do crack in that area, that would be very significant.

"Strategically, Kherson is the more important place. Kherson is the only major city the Russians have occupied. It controls access to Crimea, and it controls some of the hydroelectric power that goes into Crimea.

"If the Ukrainians are able to grab the whole of the coast of Kherson region back, then the whole of Crimea is within range of their artillery and missiles. They could make Crimea impossible for the Russians to operate from militarily if they chose to."

Prof Clarke said he thinks at the moment that the most likely outcome will be an unstable ceasefire next year, "which may now be on more favourable terms than the Ukrainians could have guessed even a week ago".

"I think the Ukrainians may have a chance, the other side of winter, to throw the Russians out of all the territories they've taken since February this year. And that would be a huge victory," he added.

 

[bones]

Loads of rumours about Moscow and Putin...

So no difference to the last 6 months.

 

[Junaids]

Ukraine has started to arrest the Russian teachers who went as illegal immigrants to the occupied territories to teach Russian propaganda and to oversee a transition from Ukrainian to Russian syllabus.

None of them were in Ukraine legally. They had been given the houses of Ukrainian citizens who had taken temporary refuge outside the war zone.

Some of these teachers have given prior interviews to Russian media expounding their views that Ukraine is not a real country, but the Ukrainians have watched the same broadcasts. One Russian teacher had been filmed telling a primary school class:

“On your situation and in the world politics: you’ll learn in Russian starting from now.”

“It is not bad to be killed by bullets. Important is to preserve Russian language”

Another of the illegal teachers was shown saying:

“there may not be any division of Russians and Ukrainians, as there are only Russians, one nation.”

“It was so amid the Czars: there were Greater Russians, Smaller Russians, all Russians. There is no Ukrainian language, only a dialect of the Russian“

The advancing Ukrainians have also been provided by other Ukrainian Russian teachers with two written directives to all schools in occupied territory from Moscow, which had ordered the burning of all Ukrainian syllabus material and books, and had banned any teaching of Ukrainian language or literature.

Another illegal teacher had been shown on Russian TV saying:

“My wife and I hope we will get a piece of land in Zaporizhya.”

“My wife always dreamt about having a house with a garden.”

“I personally despise Ukraine. Their country groomed hate against Russia for 30 years“

Source: Sergej Sumlenny

Interestingly, it was newly liberated Ukrainian Russians who pointed out the illegal Russian teachers to the advancing Ukrainian forces.

 

[Junaids]

Before anyone complains about teachers being arrested:

1. None of them were legally entitled to be in Ukraine.

2. All of them were illegally occupying absent Ukrainians’ property.

3. They are entitled to Prisoner of War status under the Geneva Convention, article 4 of which covers “Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civilian members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors.”

This week is the first time that it has become a reality that there are legal consequences both for being a Collaborator and for being an Invader.

 

[Junaids]

I wonder what the pro-Kremlin Muslims contributing to this thread think of the developing story from Nagorno-Karabakh.

The (Muslim) Azeris have now broken the Russian-brokered ceasefire against the (Christian) Armenians who have occupied their land for three decades. This involves the Azeris refusing to follow orders from the Russian Army peacekeepers to return to their barracks.

Firstly, this couldn’t happen without Turkish approval. And secondly, did anyone think that Azerbaijan would ignore and resist Russian peacekeeping troops?

I suspect that it’s not just the Russian collapse around Kharkiv which has driven this, but also the news that Russia has been begging Tajikistan to sell them Soviet Era weapons that they have run out of.

 

[Technics 1210]

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[Junaids]

Putin did not bomb the hell out of Syria?

Russia has killed more Arab civilians in the last five years than Britain, France and Israel combined have in the last two hundred years.

 

[Technics 1210]

You got to love it. NATO bots weeping over teachers being arrested (allegedly), but these so called defenders of freedom didn't say a word when Julian Assange was arrested, the symbol of FREE JOURNALISM in the West.

Free journalism = follow our agenda and never expose it!

Speaking of which, any update on the SAS killing innocent civilians in ME? War crimes by the SAS in Afghanistan? Ahh, my bad, the story was brushed under carpet.

 

[JaDed]

It is turning now.. this is the problem with such wars, one cannot keep funding and Russia of all definitely can’t, if this keeps going it will end up the same way as Afghan war did for USSR, Russia needs to find middleground.

Europe will be better prepared to handle the impact that will come but it will not be as rich as it was, and will have to rebuild on newer technologies, luckily for them Europe is still very innovative.

 

[Bewal Express]

I pray this nonsense ends. Too many lives destroyed by a needless war in the war zone, and that's not counting the damage to the poorer countries with unaffordable gas prices leading to hikes in the price of fertiliser and its destructive impact on agricultural production.

 

[sweep_shot]

Russia has killed more Arab civilians in the last five years than Britain, France and Israel combined have in the last two hundred years.

Why did you add France and not United States? Check how many United States killed in Iraq.

If you want to be biased, at least be accurate and sophisticated about it.

 

[Technics 1210]

The war wouldn't have started had it not been for NATO/West arrogance and refusal to talk peace with Putin.

 

[cpleigh]

The war wouldn't have started had it not been for NATO/West arrogance and refusal to talk peace with Putin.

Ah yes... That old chestnut. Did I dream the UK, France and Germany making whirlwind visits to Moscow to try and talk Putin out of it?

 

[Bewal Express]

Putin and Russia have got had a bloody nose, Ukraine has been destroyed, Europe is reeling, poor countries are facing monumental problems. It will be pyric victory
for Whoever claims victory.

 

[dildilpak]

The war wouldn't have started had it not been for NATO/West arrogance and refusal to talk peace with Putin.

Putin always wanted to usurp Ukraine, he had made this clear as soon as Crimea was invaded. His mind was made up - as such there was no pressing event which dictated war. Ukraine hadnt joined NATO (still hasnt). Infact in his haste to attack Ukraine, he pushed other countries towards NATO!

I have read some reports which indicate that Putin has some medical conditions & his days are numbered - in which case this was a final attempt to realize his dream of an united USSR. Who knows whether the war is really a fanciful desire of a dying man. Time will tell!

 

[cpleigh]

Putin and Russia have got had a bloody nose, Ukraine has been destroyed, Europe is reeling, poor countries are facing monumental problems. It will be pyric victory
for Whoever claims victory.

Not quite. The east has been, they didn't have most of that after 2014 though.

But ukraine will come out of this in a much stronger position. It will be pumped full of EU cash, will have an extraordinarily strong military for its size and will have neutralised its main advisory

 

[Technics 1210]

Ah yes... That old chestnut. Did I dream the UK, France and Germany making whirlwind visits to Moscow to try and talk Putin out of it?

No need for visits, there's something call a phone/video call.

Not only this, Putin offered an olive branch many times, even well before you were born.

And yes you are dreaming if you think UK, France, and Germany have any power- all 3 are Amreekan lapdogs.

Buy hey, you want war, you got a war, now deal with it, you deserve it.

 

[SalimBhai]

Putin and Russia have got had a bloody nose, Ukraine has been destroyed, Europe is reeling, poor countries are facing monumental problems. It will be pyric victory
for Whoever claims victory.

Pretty accurate.

 

[Bewal Express]

Not quite. The east has been, they didn't have most of that after 2014 though.

But ukraine will come out of this in a much stronger position. It will be pumped full of EU cash, will have an extraordinarily strong military for its size and will have neutralised its main advisory

It wont. Europe is on the verge bankruptcy and there will be no Marshall plan that compensates for the loss of billions and population that has lost millions through injuries, death and becoming refugees. It is a disaster for all concerned.

 

[James]

Ukrainian forces have seized even more territory from Russia as they continue their counter-offensive, the country's president has said.

Volodymyr Zelensky said troops have now retaken more than 6,000 sq km (2,317 sq miles) from Russian control in September, in the east and the south.

The BBC cannot verify these figures.

Russia has admitted losing key cities in the north-eastern Kharkiv region, in what is seen by some military experts as a potential breakthrough in the war.

Moscow describes its troop withdrawal from the region in recent days as a "regrouping" with the aim of focusing on the Luhansk and Donetsk regions in Ukraine's east.

That claim has been ridiculed even in Russia, with many social media users there describing the stated pull-out as "shameful".

Speaking later on Monday, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Ukrainian forces had made "significant progress" in their counter-offensive, but added that it was too early to predict the outcome.

"The Russians maintain very significant forces in Ukraine as well as equipment and arms and munitions. They continue to use it indiscriminately against not just the Ukrainian armed forces but civilians and civilian infrastructure as we've seen," Mr Blinken said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February. Russia still holds about a fifth of the country.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62884668

 

[Abstraction1]

It was horrific to see Trump negotiate directly with the Taliban in Doha, while cutting out the Afghan government.

The Afghan government were absolutely useless. The US wanted out hence nobody stood in Trumps way. The Military and Co. Were all on board.

The gave them 20 years of unlimited funny and fought their war, yet the Afghans were incapable of producing a functioning government

 

[Junaids]

You got to love it. NATO bots weeping over teachers being arrested (allegedly), but these so called defenders of freedom didn't say a word when Julian Assange was arrested, the symbol of FREE JOURNALISM in the West.

Free journalism = follow our agenda and never expose it!

Speaking of which, any update on the SAS killing innocent civilians in ME? War crimes by the SAS in Afghanistan? Ahh, my bad, the story was brushed under carpet.

Absolutely.

Julian Assange was publishing information which was leaked to him by Russia. He was not a journalist.

Any one of multiple western democracies could have had him charged as an enemy agent.

Plus, of course, add in the rape charges and the appalling way he treated his hosts at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.

 

[Junaids]

Junaids talk about Putin admin Hitler - what a joke. But let's humour him for a moment as say he's right, what about the nation of Ukraine who hold Stepan Bandera in such high esteem. They have statues of him!

Tim Vickery summed up Fascism very well yesterday in a piece he recorded for the BBC on the upcoming Brazilian election.

When a candidate - like Bolsonaro now - runs on a platform of "GOD, SOCIAL ORDER, COUNTRY" you know he is a Fascist.

Putin is not a Nazi. But he emulates Hitler endlessly in terms of authoritarianism, flouting of human rights and invasion of neighbouring countries on the basis of defending his ethnic group's "rights".

 

[Robert]

Are you just trying to trigger people now? This post just sums up what a idiot you are. God save us from the boomers please..

He’s early Gen-X.

 

[Robert]

Absolutely.

Julian Assange was publishing information which was leaked to him by Russia. He was not a journalist.

Any one of multiple western democracies could have had him charged as an enemy agent.

Plus, of course, add in the rape charges and the appalling way he treated his hosts at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.

My take on Assange is a rather vain and silly man who appears to think of himself as a crusader for truth, but is better described as a useful idiot for some very bad people in a high-stakes propaganda game.

He shouldn’t still be in Belmarsh though. He served his sentence for bail-jumping and should have been extradited by now. Let him have his day in US Federal court.

 

[Junaids]

Are you just trying to trigger people now? This post just sums up what a idiot you are. God save us from the boomers please..

It's funny, isn't it?
[MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION] considers me to be a dangerous progressive leftist, but I'm nothing of the sort.

I believe that in this world:

1. There is good, and there is bad.
2. Weak countries are vulnerable against the power of strong countries.
3. I regret the racism of colonialism. But I am well aware that the British treated the Indians better than they treated themselves before the British arrived, and better than Pakistan now treats Ahmadis and Hindus and better than the BJP treats Muslims.

For me, there are red lines that are not to be crossed. If my country was taken over by the Taliban I would expect a strong power to free us from them because they are evil ****. Countries like the USA and UK are strong enough to do so, and it is their obligation to rid countries of such vermin as the Taliban.

And as a citizen of the world's second strongest military nation, and ally of the strongest, the reality is that we get to choose what those red lines are.

I know this sounds immodest, but privately I am well aware that I am highly intelligent, highly educated and extremely well-read. I subscribe to two British newspapers (Times and Telegraph), the NY Times, The Washington Post and Haaretz.

So when I see young or naive posters, or ones with huge colonial chips on their soldier equating Russia's murder of journalists with the USA charging Assange under the 105 year old Espionage Act, I shake my head. When I see people trying to defend Trump under the same act, ditto. I know what it means that that Act has been cited.

If that sets you off, I'm awfully regretful. But I'm not sorry.

 

[bones]

Putin is not a Nazi. But he emulates Hitler endlessly in terms of authoritarianism, flouting of human rights and invasion of neighbouring countries on the basis of defending his ethnic group's "rights".

What about Ukraine and their relationship with Stephan Bandera?

 

[cpleigh]

Russian state TV has certainly changed its tune this week.

Gone from 'ukraine doesnt exist, ukranians don't exist and their language doesn't exist' to ..

'if we keep tell Ukrainians they don't exist, and their language doesn't how can we expect them to love us and want to join us?'

 

[Pakpak]

Are you just trying to trigger people now? This post just sums up what a idiot you are. God save us from the boomers please..

He was advocating for the West to kill Putin as that would end the war.

Amount of tosh I've read has been shocking in this thread

 

[cpleigh]

Reuters reporting that Russia was given a deal that satisfied its demands pre invasions. So you can scrap that argument that NATO and Ukraine didn't want peace.

'Putin offered a deal that satisfied his demands on Ukraine's NATO relations, but rejected it - Reuters
Reuters is reporting that Russia's chief envoy to Ukraine told Vladimir Putin as the war started that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Mr Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign.

Reuters says it has spoken to three people who have confirmed that the Ukrainian-born envoy, Dmitry Kozak, told Mr Putin that he believed the deal removed the need for Russia to pursue a large-scale occupation in Ukraine.

Before the war began, Mr Putin had repeatedly asserted that NATO and was unacceptably abutting Russia's borders by accepting new members from eastern Europe, and that the alliance was preparing to bring Ukraine into its sphere too. Mr Putin publicly said that the actions of Ukraine and NATO represented an existential threat to Russia, forcing him to react.

But, when presented with the deal, Mr Putin said the concessions did not go far enough and he had already decided to annexe large parts of Ukrainian territory, the sources said.

Asked about findings, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Reuters: "That has absolutely no relation to reality. No such thing ever happened. It is absolutely incorrect information."

Two of the three sources said the deal was on offer immediately after Russia's invasion on 24 February.

One of the sources said: "Putin simply changed the plan as he went along."

The third source said the deal was put to Mr Putin and rejected just before the invasion. Reuters kept the identities of its sources confidential.

Six months on from the start of the war, Mr Kozak remains as Kremlin deputy chief of staff but is no longer handling the Ukraine brief, Reuters understands.

 

[bones]

Reuters reporting that Russia was given a deal that satisfied its demands pre invasions. So you can scrap that argument that NATO and Ukraine didn't want peace.

Another deal was mad a long time ago as well - the Minsk Accords. It was the Ukranians who were shelling civilian cities after that deal was signed.

I don't believe this propaganda, but I will humour you for a moment. Let's see Putin did turn down a peace deal with the west - why would he want to sign something that won't be met - he's got 2 recent examples of them not being met.

 

[cpleigh]

Another deal was mad a long time ago as well - the Minsk Accords. It was the Ukranians who were shelling civilian cities after that deal was signed.

I don't believe this propaganda, but I will humour you for a moment. Let's see Putin did turn down a peace deal with the west - why would he want to sign something that won't be met - he's got 2 recent examples of them not being met.

What you said about Minsk accords is simply not true, you have swallowed Russian propaganda.

 

[Technics 1210]

Absolutely.

Julian Assange was publishing information which was leaked to him by Russia. He was not a journalist.

Any one of multiple western democracies could have had him charged as an enemy agent.

Plus, of course, add in the rape charges and the appalling way he treated his hosts at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.

Behave. The rape charges were dropped.

And stop your lying, Chelsea Manning leaked the info to Wiki, and he or she was pardoned by Obama.

You are an embarrassment to the Western civilisation and values.

 

[Technics 1210]

Another deal was mad a long time ago as well - the Minsk Accords. It was the Ukranians who were shelling civilian cities after that deal was signed.

I don't believe this propaganda, but I will humour you for a moment. Let's see Putin did turn down a peace deal with the west - why would he want to sign something that won't be met - he's got 2 recent examples of them not being met.

You are talking to a generation that has only ever known social media. Unless the the news is on TikTok, this generation will reject everything - a lost cause

 

[sweep_shot]

It's funny, isn't it?
[MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION] considers me to be a dangerous progressive leftist, but I'm nothing of the sort.

I believe that in this world:

1. There is good, and there is bad.
2. Weak countries are vulnerable against the power of strong countries.
3. I regret the racism of colonialism. But I am well aware that the British treated the Indians better than they treated themselves before the British arrived, and better than Pakistan now treats Ahmadis and Hindus and better than the BJP treats Muslims.

For me, there are red lines that are not to be crossed. If my country was taken over by the Taliban I would expect a strong power to free us from them because they are evil ****. Countries like the USA and UK are strong enough to do so, and it is their obligation to rid countries of such vermin as the Taliban.

And as a citizen of the world's second strongest military nation, and ally of the strongest, the reality is that we get to choose what those red lines are.

I know this sounds immodest, but privately I am well aware that I am highly intelligent, highly educated and extremely well-read. I subscribe to two British newspapers (Times and Telegraph), the NY Times, The Washington Post and Haaretz.

So when I see young or naive posters, or ones with huge colonial chips on their soldier equating Russia's murder of journalists with the USA charging Assange under the 105 year old Espionage Act, I shake my head. When I see people trying to defend Trump under the same act, ditto. I know what it means that that Act has been cited.

If that sets you off, I'm awfully regretful. But I'm not sorry.

Sorry. A shockingly ignorant post.

British treated the Indians better than they treated themselves? Do you want us to believe that crap?

You are delusional and arrogant like one of those stoners from state of California.

 

[sweep_shot]

It's funny, isn't it?
[MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION] considers me to be a dangerous progressive leftist, but I'm nothing of the sort.

I believe that in this world:

1. There is good, and there is bad.
2. Weak countries are vulnerable against the power of strong countries.
3. I regret the racism of colonialism. But I am well aware that the British treated the Indians better than they treated themselves before the British arrived, and better than Pakistan now treats Ahmadis and Hindus and better than the BJP treats Muslims.

For me, there are red lines that are not to be crossed. If my country was taken over by the Taliban I would expect a strong power to free us from them because they are evil ****. Countries like the USA and UK are strong enough to do so, and it is their obligation to rid countries of such vermin as the Taliban.

And as a citizen of the world's second strongest military nation, and ally of the strongest, the reality is that we get to choose what those red lines are.

I know this sounds immodest, but privately I am well aware that I am highly intelligent, highly educated and extremely well-read. I subscribe to two British newspapers (Times and Telegraph), the NY Times, The Washington Post and Haaretz.

So when I see young or naive posters, or ones with huge colonial chips on their soldier equating Russia's murder of journalists with the USA charging Assange under the 105 year old Espionage Act, I shake my head. When I see people trying to defend Trump under the same act, ditto. I know what it means that that Act has been cited.

If that sets you off, I'm awfully regretful. But I'm not sorry.

Anyone who calls himself "highly intelligent, highly educated, and extremely well-read" should receive psychological assessment. We can already see how intelligent you are. LOL.

America has no right to interfere in another country, unless they are asked.

You keep on writing nonsense not backed by any stat.

 

[Robert]

Anyone who calls himself "highly intelligent, highly educated, and extremely well-read" should receive psychological assessment. We can already see how intelligent you are. LOL.

He’s a Doctor.

 

[sweep_shot]

He’s a Doctor.

So?

Is he the only doctor on planet Earth? Just because someone is a doctor doesn't mean he is highly intelligent. Even big names like Stephen Hawkins didn't call them intelligent and educated.

Here are some gems he posted:

- Take out Putin and war is over.
- USA and UK should decide the red lines for all countries.
- Indians were better under British Empire than other times.
- Putin admires Hitler.

How can a supposedly intelligent person write like this?

 

[Junaids]

Today’s Darth Putin tweet - he’s obviously been speaking with some contributors to this thread…

There'll be more attrocities discovered so here's the tankie guide:

1 It never happened.
2 They were Nazis so deserved what didn't happen
3 NATO/Soros/Ukraine staged it
4 What didn't happen to Nazis who deserved it/actors who staged it was a biolab
5 What about Iraq

Repeat