Russia invades Ukraine

[bones]

Russian former general was interviewed in a podcast today. Basically said that they went in too soft so had to change the initial plan. The biggest mistake was treating the SMO almost like a policing operation. Mobilisation should have been done in April not now. They expect mobilisation to be completed by mid December and so they will fall back in more areas if required to preserve the lives of their men.

MacGregor and Larry Johnson believe Russia's air campaign which is set to include at least 600 aircraft, will probably commence 1 week before the mobilised ground units are in place. Until December they expect PR wins for Ukraine and then a turn in events.

Cpleigh and others here comment on these Ukrainian PR wins but not a single mention of the casualties suffered for them.

 

[Junaids]

I would keep with the side you're supporting first.

The Jewish leader of Ukraine wants a preemptive strikes on Russia. Do you want the UK to use Trident in a preemptive attack on Russia? See video above.

There is only one side which are evil warmongers, see recent history of Yanks and Brits and Europeans, the damage they have done to much of the world. Thankfully finally a power has emerged to stand up to these bullies who we now know are actually cowards.

Let me be absolutely clear about this.

Vladimir Putin TWICE provided the UK with a casus belli to legally attack Russia at the time and place of our choosing. He did so by twice killing people on the streets of England using chemical weapons.

So there can be no “pre-emptive” strike by the UK against a Putin-administered Russia. The same applies to the USA provided that the UK participates from the start in any military response.

We will (legally) attack Russia if and when we choose. Vladimir Putin gave us that legal right, and it remains at our disposal until he no longer leads the Russian government, however long that takes.

 

[Junaids]

In response to suggestions that Russia might now “go in harder”.

They have lost their fittest, best trained, best-armed troops and are now replacing them with untrained conscripts with ancient weapons.

Their Air Force is largely confined to bases in Belarus because they have failed to achieve air superiority and cannot evade Ukrainian surface-to-air missile defences.

Sending in more conscripts and more aircraft will only accelerate Russia’s losses.

Already Russia is Ukraine’s main arms supplier in 2022 - by running away and leaving their hardware behind.

Bring it on!

 

[sweep_shot]

We will (legally) attack Russia if and when we choose. Vladimir Putin gave us that legal right, and it remains at our disposal until he no longer leads the Russian government, however long that takes.

We? You are writing like you are personally in charge of decision making.

Putin is unlikely to go anywhere. Russia is not some irrelevant small country. They are allied with China and have great relations with many countries.

 

[Pakpak]

Russian former general was interviewed in a podcast today. Basically said that they went in too soft so had to change the initial plan. The biggest mistake was treating the SMO almost like a policing operation.

Cpleigh and others here comment on these Ukrainian PR wins but not a single mention of the casualties suffered for them.

Bones, no denying the West have been busy with propaganda, like every war the West has done however my problem with this narrative above in bold is that its all good Russians admitting NOW that they made mistakes months ago. However when those same mistakes were being brought up and highlighted it was dismissed as 'MSM propaganda'. So is it MSM propaganda only till the Russians admit what SOME people said months ago? And then it stops being MSM propaganda?

My point not every mistake bought by the Russians is propaganda, some of their planning has been truly horrendous. And continues to be until they mobilise fully. For Ukraine its their nation, their land, they will lose millions to defend it. Just like Pakistan would for Pakistan.

 

[SalimBhai]

This is very disprectful to Russians. Imo Russians are more politically aware compared to Brits, who are being fooled by democracy and esp thinking their politicians care, not to mention living in the past glorys thinking UK could defeat Russia, this is idiotic as it gets. Russians on the other hand know how it felt being in the Soviet Union collapse. Putin came and changed their fortunes, many Russians now have a better standard of living compared to Brits. Putin cares for Russians, Russians know this. British leaders dont care for their people, most sane Brits know this too.

Democracy hasnt bought me anything, I believe in myself to do well in any situation. I think its mainly old white Europeans who are slaves to their past. We are just speaking the truth, please try this instead of weak insults.

An average Russian life style is third world compared to average uk person.

 

[bones]

So is it MSM propaganda only till the Russians admit what SOME people said months ago?

My point not every mistake bought by the Russians is propaganda, some of their planning has been truly horrendous. And continues to be until they mobilise fully. For Ukraine its their nation, their land, they will lose millions to defend it. Just like Pakistan would for Pakistan.

I think everyone knew, even pro-Russians that the plan to go in soft was bad. I can understand why, they don't want to hurt people in areas they will capture but it gave the Ukrainians the initiative. Most other Russian planning has been OK. Consider this, they are effectively fighting nato with just 200k men . MSM makes no mention of the size of the army, it's humiliatibg for them to say that an attacking force captured this much territory with a 1:3 ratio.

Believe it or not, most of southern Ukraine wants to join Russia, they are ethnic Russians. Also the Ukrainians won't lose millions to defend their land, they are struggling to mobilise one million in total.

 

[Abel Reames]

1. Get rid of current government
2. Replace with puppets temporarily until new government elected
3. Bomb all US funded chemical and biological facilities
4. Get Crimea and Doneskt officially completing the southern corridor

On 2nd of March you wrote the above in response to Jaded asking what were the Russian war aims. How is it going?

 

[Abel Reames]

Please post something sensible related to the thread , otherwise you are going to end up look rather silly.

Better than being deluded. I guess we all need delusions to help us sleep at night just some of us are more deluded.

 

[Abel Reames]

This invasion is about a week in now and could finish very soon. It will be a victory from a military perspective if it finished in the next few days. But many experts are predicting that the end is very near.

This is from the 1st of March. Are these experts the same experts you cited as your sources?

 

[Robert]

Let me be absolutely clear about this.

Vladimir Putin TWICE provided the UK with a casus belli to legally attack Russia at the time and place of our choosing. He did so by twice killing people on the streets of England using chemical weapons.

So there can be no “pre-emptive” strike by the UK against a Putin-administered Russia. The same applies to the USA provided that the UK participates from the start in any military response.

We will (legally) attack Russia if and when we choose. Vladimir Putin gave us that legal right, and it remains at our disposal until he no longer leads the Russian government, however long that takes.

An excellent point. Putin has unleashed a WMD on British soil and Britain did very little in response, though our ally NATO states took a harder line by expelling 130 Russian diplomats.

I’m curious as to why. Perhaps the Tories did not want to upset their Russian donors?

Here is an interesting interview of Zelenskyy by John Simpson of the BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63171679

 

[Robert]

Great clip from the best show ever. )
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] and [MENTION=145891]cpleigh[/MENTION] looks familiar?

Remember guys acc to the US video advert, if a nuke explodes , get inside.! That'll save you ., lol

Never liked that show. Everyone in it was an idiot.

You clearly didn’t read my description of a nuclear strike further up. I will reiterate. There is no way to survive. We will all turn into walk-shadows. It is The End.

 

[Junaids]

We? You are writing like you are personally in charge of decision making.

Putin is unlikely to go anywhere. Russia is not some irrelevant small country. They are allied with China and have great relations with many countries.

Russia’s economy is the same size as Australia, Iran and South Korea and smaller than Canada. Twelve times smaller than the USA.

Like Ukraine, Russia is a second tier nation which inherited a nuclear arsenal. But Ukraine gave theirs up, whereas Russia uses its to extort other countries using nuclear blackmail.

 

[Robert]

I think everyone knew, even pro-Russians that the plan to go in soft was bad. I can understand why, they don't want to hurt people in areas they will capture but it gave the Ukrainians the initiative. Most other Russian planning has been OK. Consider this, they are effectively fighting nato with just 200k men . MSM makes no mention of the size of the army, it's humiliatibg for them to say that an attacking force captured this much territory with a 1:3 ratio.

They are not fighting NATO. Their army would have been obliterated in days if they fought NATO’s professional soldiers with their modern equipment that is actually maintained.

The Russian army has been revealed as a paper tiger. It can’t fight, and mobilisation will make it even worse as the conscripts will be completely unmotivated. They will be cannon fodder for the Ukrainian patriots defending their soil. It’s horrific. Putin is throwing away tens of thousands of Russian lives for some dream of Tsardom.

 

[bones]

This is from the 1st of March. Are these experts the same experts you cited as your sources?

I have learnt a lot since then. One of the main things I got wrong was and all of the experts, the support of nato to Ukraine. When tens of billions of dollars are pumped into Ukraine and when all of nato is pretty much fighting Russians except for boots on the ground it's not the battle we expected.

 

[bones]

They are not fighting NATO. Their army would have been obliterated in days if they fought NATO’s professional soldiers with their modern equipment that is actually maintained.

The Russian army has been revealed as a paper tiger. It can’t fight, and mobilisation will make it even worse as the conscripts will be completely unmotivated. They will be cannon fodder for the Ukrainian patriots defending their soil. It’s horrific. Putin is throwing away tens of thousands of Russian lives for some dream of Tsardom.

You are as naive as everyone else on this matter. The AFU is a nato trained army. The AFU are fighting with nato weapons. They have nato logistics now. They are being provided with Intel coming from nato. The only thing that is left is for soldiers on the ground from nato countries but since the AFU is NATO trained its the same levels of soldiers. Russia is basically fighting the AFU + all these foreign mercs with + foreign funding + foreign weapons. Had it been just Russia vs AFU this would be over by now.

NATO are a bunch of cowards anyway. If they really cared about Ukraine they would have pushed for the implementation of the Minsk Accords. Instead they pushed Ukraine down this path of ruin with no diplomacy insight.

If you think Russia is mobilising conscripts then you are utterly clueless. So far only 100k of the main Russian army has been fighting. They haven't even really started a war. The men coming to the front are former soldiers. You seem to believe BBC and SKY news, who give the impression that the Russians are sending farmers, dentists and teachers to the front. You say they are unmotivated, they are not but even if they were, they know what is being done to ethnic Russians and they know how nasty nato has been in all of this, it will change.

 

[bones]

On 2nd of March you wrote the above in response to Jaded asking what were the Russian war aims. How is it going?

3 & 4 are mostly done. 1&2 will be done but it's taking much longer than expected.

Ukraine is through their 8th wave of mobilisation and nato has sent billions and billions to Ukraine. In fact I am guessing that NATO has now sent more money or committed to, than the entire annual Russian defence budget.

Ukraine were close to starting serious talks in April but Boris Johnson and the Americans blocked them promising all this support. It will be the ruin of Ukraine as it is wherever nato touches.

 

[bones]

There is no question that Russia wanted to complete the job with the deployed 200k (100k RUF) forces. But in hindsight they should have mobilised when it became abundantly clear the US wouldn't let their proxy negotiate in April.

One thing I was naive about early on, the Russians really are in no hurry but the west are. Not just because of winter but because of the military production levels. It will be interesting this winter when the European population starts demanding an end to support in Ukraine because the money is needed at home more.

 

[Robert]

You are as naive as everyone else on this matter. The AFU is a nato trained army. The AFU are fighting with nato weapons. They have nato logistics now. They are being provided with Intel coming from nato. The only thing that is left is for soldiers on the ground from nato countries but since the AFU is NATO trained its the same levels of soldiers. Russia is basically fighting the AFU + all these foreign mercs with + foreign funding + foreign weapons. Had it been just Russia vs AFU this would be over by now.

NATO are a bunch of cowards anyway. If they really cared about Ukraine they would have pushed for the implementation of the Minsk Accords. Instead they pushed Ukraine down this path of ruin with no diplomacy insight.

If you think Russia is mobilising conscripts then you are utterly clueless. So far only 100k of the main Russian army has been fighting. They haven't even really started a war. The men coming to the front are former soldiers. You seem to believe BBC and SKY news, who give the impression that the Russians are sending farmers, dentists and teachers to the front. You say they are unmotivated, they are not but even if they were, they know what is being done to ethnic Russians and they know how nasty nato has been in all of this, it will change.

You said they are “fighting NATO”. They aren’t, luckily for them. They are fighting an army that barely existed in 2014 beefed up by militia. Actual NATO professional troops would go through this badly equipped badly supplied badly led Russian national servicemen / conscript army like a dose of salts, and deep down I think you know it.

I have been utterly amazed by the terrible performance of the Russian army which we all used to fear thirty years ago. That mighty 60,000 tank Red Army set to roll West Germany that NATO might have held for a weak before collapsing. Now I bet half of those tanks wouldn’t even start, let alone make it to the front line.

 

[cpleigh]

and the Crimea bridge.... is DOWN

BOOM

 

[bones]

You said they are “fighting NATO”. They aren’t, luckily for them. They are fighting an army that barely existed in 2014 beefed up by militia. Actual NATO professional troops would go through this badly equipped badly supplied badly led Russian national servicemen / conscript army like a dose of salts, and deep down I think you know it.

I have been utterly amazed by the terrible performance of the Russian army which we all used to fear thirty years ago. That mighty 60,000 tank Red Army set to roll West Germany that NATO might have held for a weak before collapsing. Now I bet half of those tanks wouldn’t even start, let alone make it to the front line.

Is the most of the collective West part of NATO? Yes
Is most of NATO sending money and weapons to Ukraine? Yes
Is NATO training Ukrainian soldiers? Yes

The above three statements are facts. So one can put 2 and 2 together and say Russia is fighting Nato's proxy.

Look, you clearly are watching too much MSM and don't understand basic military math. The Russians are fighting more than a 1000km front line earlier it was 1200km with 200k men. That's why they had to mobilise, they are too stretched. Stop listening to MSM and try to figure out what is actually happening.

Just one example of how manipulative MSM is, they claimed these huge PR wins in Kharkiv where the Russians withdrew from. But they did not mention even once the losses suffered by the AFU. This looks great to people like you, but to the Ukrainians this is a huge problem because that's that's thousands of men lost needing replacement.

 

[cpleigh]

Road and Rail section of the Crimea bridge is in the sea.

Absolutely huge news

 

[cpleigh]

from the footgae looks like a suicide bomb (Truck) detonated as a fuel train was passing

 

[bones]

They just keep escalating. Hitting the bridge makes sense but once again it's sabotage. Russia need to shore up on the security. As for retaliation, Putin is calm and will respond with appropriate force. The other bridges attacked in kherson are repaired and operating again, this one looks like it will take a few weeks.

 

[cpleigh]

Escalating?? what?... they are trying to stop an invading army

 

[mazkhan]

Ukraine keeps landing those heavy blows.

Absolutely embarrassing for russia the bridge disaster is probably more embarrassing than their flagship sinking in black sea.

 

[bones]

Escalating?? what?... they are trying to stop an invading army

The crimean kerch strait bridge is a great target no doubt.

But first the gas pipelines and now this, these are escalation.

 

[Robert]

and the Crimea bridge.... is DOWN

BOOM

It’s certainly on fire. Is it down? Is it recoverable? Will the soldiers in Crimea be resuppliable by sea or will such shipping efforts go the same way as the Moskva?

Slava Ukraini! Heroiyam slava!

 

[cpleigh]

the road section is deffo down

 

[Junaids]

We are into the end game now that the Crimea Bridge has been hit.

This war might be over before December.

 

[Junaids]

It’s certainly on fire. Is it down? Is it recoverable? Will the soldiers in Crimea be resuppliable by sea or will such shipping efforts go the same way as the Moskva?

Slava Ukraini! Heroiyam slava!

Road section under water.

 

[cpleigh]

food and fuel rationing in Crimea

 

[Junaids]

They just keep escalating. Hitting the bridge makes sense but once again it's sabotage. Russia need to shore up on the security. As for retaliation, Putin is calm and will respond with appropriate force. The other bridges attacked in kherson are repaired and operating again, this one looks like it will take a few weeks.

All Putin can do is what he is doing.

If he goes for outright terror attacks on civilian targets or uses tactical nukes then the US and UK enter the war and destroy Russia’s military infrastructure from Murmansk to Kaliningrad to Valdivostok in less than an hour.

 

[Junaids]

Pictures of the destroyed bridge are online at

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/l...art-of-kerch-bridge-between-crimea-and-russia

 

[Junaids]

Escalation by Ukraine?

Are some people on drugs? That’s like accusing a rape victim of “escalation” for resisting.

Ukraine legally is engaged in self-defence. They got invaded.

Can Putin’s humiliation get any worse? I almost feel sorry for the bullying psychopath.

 

[bones]

food and fuel rationing in Crimea

cpleigh is a prime example of what double standards in the west is. No mention of the turmoil across Europe, in fact he deliberately ignores it.

No mention of the turmoil in Europe or in Ukraine itself. No mention of the fact Ukraine are basically living off aid and have been for months. But once the Kerch Strait bridge is taken out for a few weeks (4 to 6) and they have to ration until it's repaired he celebrates.

He celebrates these PR wins for Ukraine but never once mentions the losses suffered for them. It's exactly how MSM works.

It's actually quite funny how these trolls claim Russia is losing - yet they won't be going cold or hungry this winter and they control over 1000 sq/km in enermy territority despite pulling back in many areas. No blackouts in Moscow, can we say the same for all of Europe?

 

[bones]

Russia is losing according to the trolls online and MSM. But according to the map below (a pro-ukranian map) and the exchange rate charts, I don't see how we can conclude anything other than Russia is winning and winning big. Control of 1000km/sq in Ukraine and some of the most valuable territory. Land bridge established. Ruble down from 85 prior to Feb 24 to 54 right now vs the Euro. I remind you this is despite the collective west piling in $billions in aid and weapons, despite the sanctions, despite the Russians going in soft and despite the Russians only using a fraction of their armed forces. If the Russians could do all of this despite the hurdles placed in front of them, what will happen with the mobilised forces join in and they take the gloves off. Nato and their proxy are making it very easy to give the order to take the gloves off.

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/8-october-occupation-authorities-impose-rationing-on-grocery
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=RUB&to=EUR

 

[cpleigh]

quite amusing... where are the blackouts in Europe? dare i suggest you are believing the doomsday scenario from the MSM?....

THE MSM???

 

[cpleigh]

the 'mobilised' ha ha ha

have you seen the state of them on social media?

 

[Junaids]

I suspect that Russia will try to kill Zelensky now.

If they do, the gloves will be off and the western powers will finish off Russia very quickly. And Putin has a palace at Sochi which will spontaneously combust if he kills Zelensky.

 

[Robert]

Road section under water.

Dear Lord.

How will Crimea be resupplied? The garrison will have to surrender unless they can get supplies through the land corridor from Donetsk, or across the Azov Sea.

From what I am reading there is extensive guerilla war going on in central Crimea. The Ukrainians are simply not going to give in. Even if Russia conquers them, there will be a constant fast stream of soldier and collaborator deaths by snipers and IEDs.

 

[bones]

the 'mobilised' ha ha ha

have you seen the state of them on social media?

Why dont you tell us about how professional the 8th wave of mobilised AFU are in comparison? Oh wait, you won't because it doesn't fit the agenda.

 

[90MPH]

The Russian propagandists here and on twitter can pretend this bridge destruction as a nothing burger but the truth is this will be a devastating blow to Putin.

The last month has been nothing but a total disaster for the Russian state in this war. All the small gains they made in the east in the past 6 months was wiped out in 1 month.

The Ukrainians know this is their window of opportunity to make hammer blows before the full mobilisation of Russian troops come into effect and that may only happen after the winter.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

At this point, it seems almost impossible for Russia to "win" this war.

Just check out this graphic:

Spoiler

Russia
Ukrain
Countries sending foreign aid, including humanitarian aid to Ukraine

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

 

[cpleigh]

Why dont you tell us about how professional the 8th wave of mobilised AFU are in comparison? Oh wait, you won't because it doesn't fit the agenda.

Oh I can. Extremely professional... Most have been trained in the UK or Europe.

Light and day in comparison. Russia can't even arm them, and this mythical airforce ha ha.

Most of them are blow up balloons.

I think it's time you started to realise what's happened. This talk of 2m in the army... It's clear it's just been a lie. A way to steal money

 

[James]

It feels like the Crimea bridge going down is an unambiguously massive win for the Ukraine side. Is that true?

 

[bones]

Oh I can. Extremely professional... Most have been trained in the UK or Europe.

Light and day in comparison. Russia can't even arm them, and this mythical airforce ha ha.

Most of them are blow up balloons.

I think it's time you started to realise what's happened. This talk of 2m in the army... It's clear it's just been a lie. A way to steal money

I never mentioned a 2m army once and you know it. Those kinds of numbers would only be mobilised if Russia itself was under threat.

As for your comparison - lol. It takes months, several months to train soldiers from scratch. I can understand the 1st and 2nd waves of mobilisations bringing forward some capable units. But by the time you reaching 5th, 6th and further, you really are scraping the bottom of the barrel. That's when it's civilians who have no military service.

Right now Russia is mobilising their first wave, it is going to be men who have served in the forces before, a large prtion of these will be redeployed units as reservists replace them in other areas of the the country.

You can type your biased nonsense all you like, but you are not fooling anyone with a functioning brain. Tell me, has Ukraine recaptured the 1000km/sq that is current under Russian control? Has the Euro magically strengthened overnight? Has the GBP? Look at the cost of energy for the average Russian and compare to the average European, that is what you call night and day.

 

[Technics 1210]

Take out the bridge and Ukrainians cannot take over Crimea.

Think 4th dimensionally.

Bridges can be rebuilt.

Crimea will remain a part of Russia.

Now Ukrainian forces are consolidating.

Another tactical win for Putin.

 

[bones]

It feels like the Crimea bridge going down is an unambiguously massive win for the Ukraine side. Is that true?

It is a win. According to engineers they say it will take 4-6 weeks to repair fully, the rail system is in a better state.

The Russian response is now what we're waiting for. A lot of us, including me are getting a bit fed up with the Russians playing nice. It's time to drop the hammer - but for some reason Putin still hasn't let his army fight without an arm tied behind their back.

 

[bones]

At this point, it seems almost impossible for Russia to "win" this war.

A lot of people seem to think that NATO especially the US are donating these billions. They are not, they are lending the money to Ukraine, they will get the money back or so they expect to at some point. Not sure how Ukraine is going to repay anyone because the country is going to be ruined. Russia holds the most valuable areas, controls most of the coastline and the Energodar NPP.

 

[Technics 1210]

Putin is clearly waiting for the winter onslaught.

He will happily accept minor PR wins for the greater win.

In the meantime Europeans are buying coal candles, and time to pay off their debts, while Putin mobilises his army for the second wave.

Annexed land remains Russian land.

The calm before the storm.

 

[Technics 1210]

It is a win. According to engineers they say it will take 4-6 weeks to repair fully, the rail system is in a better state.

The Russian response is now what we're waiting for. A lot of us, including me are getting a bit fed up with the Russians playing nice. It's time to drop the hammer - but for some reason Putin still hasn't let his army fight without an arm tied behind their back.

Putin will strike while the iron is hot, ironically when it's winter.

Who needs a nuclear winter, when we Putin has mother nature on his side.

Plus there are the US mid elections in Nov which will propel Republicans to victory and open the doors further for Trumpism to return.

Putin is playing a Teat match, not a T20.

 

[bones]

The last month has been nothing but a total disaster for the Russian state in this war. All the small gains they made in the east in the past 6 months was wiped out in 1 month.

Honestly it's like explaining FTT to a child.

The Russians withdrew from these areas, saving most of their men and their equipment (key word most). The Ukrainians sent in huge numbers into these areas to make these gains but suffered huge losses. You won't hear about it from the MSM and pro-Ukranian people - because it would take the gloss off the "win".

Russia can and will re-capture these territories, please feel free to bookmark this post of mine - because I will look foolish if they don't. They can do this because they have saved their men and equipment and are getting more units joining them in the coming weeks.

Can Ukraine replace the men and equipment they are losing? Well not the men, perhaps the equipment as long as the west aids them. But as we all know, winter is on our doorstep. Let's see how long the public will put up with support for Ukraine whilst bills are so high for them, whilst mortgages increase etc.

The Ukranians are done, this is like a team chasing 300 in an ODI but being 120-8 after the 30th over, there is a possibility they can turn this around. Maybe the Kremlin collapses, maybe the entire Russian army forgets how to shoot or operate equipment. Maybe NATO sends tens of thousands of their men armed to the teeth as game changers. But that isn't going to happen and what we are seeing the last desperate attempts of a defeated army.

Ukraine are losing thousands of soldiers, Russia is losing territory. Which do you think is the preferred option?

 

[bones]

Who needs a nuclear winter, when we Putin has mother nature on his side.

This is true, absolutely no doubt winter is coming and that's when the tide changes.

 

[mazkhan]

Take out the bridge and Ukrainians cannot take over Crimea.

Think 4th dimensionally.

Bridges can be rebuilt.

Crimea will remain a part of Russia.

Now Ukrainian forces are consolidating.

Another tactical win for Putin.

Omg

The bridge connects crimea to mainland Russia not ukraine.

Ukraine can enter crimea from the North of kherson since it borders Ukraine and is historically part of the Ukrainian southern pontic steppe.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The way this thread is going by next week we will be celebrating Putin getting out of bed in the morning as a political masterstroke.

 

[bones]

Russian engineers will restore the railway line in the kerch bridge today. Road out of commission for some time.

 

[cpleigh]

Russian engineers will restore the railway line in the kerch bridge today. Road out of commission for some time.

Dream on. That bridge is structurally unsafe. It's out of action for a while.

 

[Technics 1210]

Omg

The bridge connects crimea to mainland Russia not ukraine.

Ukraine can enter crimea from the North of kherson since it borders Ukraine and is historically part of the Ukrainian southern pontic steppe.

Not the point. Ukrainians along with NATO assistance, stated they would reclaim Crimea.

Not happening now for love nor money.

Another U-Turn on the cards by the clown, Zelensky.

 

[Robert]

The Russian propagandists here and on twitter can pretend this bridge destruction as a nothing burger but the truth is this will be a devastating blow to Putin.

The last month has been nothing but a total disaster for the Russian state in this war. All the small gains they made in the east in the past 6 months was wiped out in 1 month.

The Ukrainians know this is their window of opportunity to make hammer blows before the full mobilisation of Russian troops come into effect and that may only happen after the winter.

The rail link is still open. The trucks have stopped but the trains will run. I wonder how it happened?

 

[mazkhan]

Best case scenario is for russia is to withdraw totally and fund the Russian speaking insurgents in donbas.

They should withdraw to crimea and make a deal we keep crimea.

If ukraine attacks crimea then putin should make it clear he will use nukes on ukraine.

That way a settlement can be reached and the war can draw to an end.

 

[Technics 1210]

NATO bots should be asking the questions, why, with all the NATO assistance, was the bridge destroyed now? Why after 6 months or so? Why after Russia annexed 4 regions of Ukraine, Crimea not being one of the regions.

These are the questions liberal warmongers should be asking.

I guess they have to wait for the MSM feeds to be updated cos they sure in hell cannot think critically of their own accord.

 

[mazkhan]

Well before the land troops mobilisation gets in gear

Why doesn't putin use his airforce and navy then

Wage a massive air campaign with aircraft and drones and take out all the ukranian air defences and heavy weapons and strategic structures
The same way we saw usa do it in Vietnam and Iraq and yugolsavia etc.

With the navy he could blockade and take out odessa and render it neutered.

Because deep down Technics u know they can't.

Russia tactics are all over the shop and their equipment most probably their airforce is complete junk we already had suspicion of this with our sanghis in India complaining about russian aircraft and how they continue to break down and crash hence why they are purchasing western aircraft now with rafales etc.

 

[Technics 1210]

Well before the land troops mobilisation gets in gear

Why doesn't putin use his airforce and navy then

Wage a massive air campaign with aircraft and drones and take out all the ukranian air defences and heavy weapons and strategic structures
The same way we saw usa do it in Vietnam and Iraq and yugolsavia etc.

With the navy he could blockade and take out odessa and render it neutered.

Because deep down Technics u know they can't.

Russia tactics are all over the shop and their equipment most probably their airforce is complete junk we already had suspicion of this with our sanghis in India complaining about russian aircraft and how they continue to break down and crash hence why they are purchasing western aircraft now with rafales etc.

Russia didn't need war planes to bring Europe's economy down, and to annex parts of Ukraine.

Let this sink in.

But thanks for trying.

 

[cpleigh]

Russia didn't need war planes to bring Europe's economy down, and to annex parts of Ukraine.

Let this sink in.

But thanks for trying.

Delusion is strong ln this one...

 

[bones]

Why doesn't putin use his airforce and navy then

The targets would be militarily infrastructure. If they hit it now Ukraine will just rebuild or relocate. The airforce has to coordinate with the ground forces. Otherwise you are just wasting resources.

 

[Junaids]

Russia didn't need war planes to bring Europe's economy down, and to annex parts of Ukraine.

Let this sink in.

But thanks for trying.

They don’t even control the parts of Ukraine that they “annexed”.

 

[bones]

russian aircraft and how they continue to break down and crash hence why they are purchasing western aircraft now with rafales etc.

Have you heard the feedback from customers of the f22?

 

[James]

The way this thread is going by next week we will be celebrating Putin getting out of bed in the morning as a political masterstroke.

Lol. Classic

So much spin in this thread it’s making me dizzy.

 

[bones]

NATO bots should be asking the questions, why, with all the NATO assistance, was the bridge destroyed now?.

Whilst it was a well planned and executed attack, giving credit where it's due. The truck blew up whilst a fuel train was also on the bridge at the same time. The bridge is only partially damaged though. Trains will be running very soon and traffic is flowing through one Lane already. A partially successful attack, but look at how cpleigh and Robert are getting giddy over it.

 

[mazkhan]

The targets would be militarily infrastructure. If they hit it now Ukraine will just rebuild or relocate. The airforce has to coordinate with the ground forces. Otherwise you are just wasting resources.

Horse crap

Usa never did that in yugoslavia or Iraq they destroyed most strategic things before troops went in and had complete air dominance so if their troops were attacked they would call in air support

 

[Junaids]

“Putin is forced to sell his oil to China at a giant discount; is getting no arms or sophisticated technology from the PRC; could not get Xi to utter the word Ukraine at their summit in Samarkand; and didnt get a birthday call today from Xi. Some "special relationship."

Meanwhile the American super carrier George H Bush has docked in Crete.

If Russia retaliates by crossing a red line - tactical nuclear weapons or killing Zelensky - then America will finish this war inside 90 minutes.

From Crete they can do three things:

1. Destroy the rest of the bridge.
2. Destroy Russia’s other supply lines via southern Ukraine.
3. Incinerate the 20,000 elite Russian troops in Kherson.

Putin needs to consider his next move very carefully - it could be his last one.

 

[Junaids]

Have you heard the feedback from customers of the f22?

There is only one customer. Even Australia and the UK wasn’t allowed to buy it. It’s that capable!

 

[Technics 1210]

Meanwhile Belgium refuses to approve next round of sanctions on Russia.

EU in turmoil!

Economy in free fall. Politics in despair. Society polarised.

Putin the genius, he achieved all of this without lifting a finger on the EU or NATO members.

Who needs nukes. )

 

[sweep_shot]

Meanwhile Belgium refuses to approve next round of sanctions on Russia.

EU in turmoil!

Economy in free fall. Politics in despair. Society polarised.

Putin the genius, he achieved all of this without lifting a finger on the EU or NATO members.

Who needs nukes. )

Russia has indeed shaken up their adversaries.

Even if Russia loses this battle militarily, they have damaged their enemies economically.

 

[Technics 1210]

Whilst it was a well planned and executed attack, giving credit where it's due. The truck blew up whilst a fuel train was also on the bridge at the same time. The bridge is only partially damaged though. Trains will be running very soon and traffic is flowing through one Lane already. A partially successful attack, but look at how cpleigh and Robert are getting giddy over it.

Agree, the liberals are indeed jumping for joy, they’ve been depressed for the past 6 months, MSM has let them down badly. NATO has stuck 2 fingers. Amreeka and their sanctions are hurting Europe, Amreekan poodles, but it’s ok, they’ve been brainwashed into believing - it’s a price worth paying.

This is not including the winter of discontent on the horizon. I suspect liberals will be posting less because they have to save their electricity bill when charging their devices.

 

[Technics 1210]

Russia has indeed shaken up their adversaries.

Even if Russia loses this battle militarily, they have damaged their enemies economically.

I’d say more than shaken up, but the kiss of death.

Europe is never going to be the same again.

 

[cpleigh]

Meanwhile Belgium refuses to approve next round of sanctions on Russia.

EU in turmoil!

Economy in free fall. Politics in despair. Society polarised.

Putin the genius, he achieved all of this without lifting a finger on the EU or NATO members.

Who needs nukes. )

To be honest... The fact you thought the kersch bridge linked Crimea to ukraine probably ends all your credibility in this thread

 

[bones]

Horse crap

Usa never did that in yugoslavia or Iraq they destroyed most strategic things before troops went in and had complete air dominance so if their troops were attacked they would call in air support

Col Douglas MacGregor, he was a pretty solid military commander. So much so Swedish officers are told to read his book. Well he said he expects the Russians to use their air force one week before the ground troops get involved.

Iraq and yugoslavia are terrible examples because they couldn't fight back. NATO and their proxy can fight back.

 

[90MPH]

The rail link is still open. The trucks have stopped but the trains will run. I wonder how it happened?

This was very likely orchestrated by anti-ship UAV (or a boat drone filled with high explosives) as the explosion definitely occurred upwards towards the Bridge.

This was well planned by Ukrainian special forces a long time ago but they decided to strike now as this is their window to make big gains and stall any re supplies to the trapped 20,000 Russian troops in Kherson.