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China refrains from condemning Russia despite intensifying Ukraine attack

China stuck to its message on Friday of refusing to call Russia's action in Ukraine an "invasion" or criticise Moscow despite intensifying assaults from Russia's military in the Eastern European country which are leading to growing casualties.

China reiterated that it believes in respecting the territorial integrity of all countries, but said it sees the Ukraine issue as having its own complex and special historical background.

"We understand Russia's legitimate concerns on security issues," foreign ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin told reporters at a daily briefing in Beijing on Friday.

Wang also hit back against U.S. President Joe Biden's comment that any country that backed Russia's invasion would be "stained by association", saying that it was countries that interfered in the domestic affairs of others that would see their repuations stained.

The United States, Britain, Japan, Canada, Australia and the EU unveiled more sanctions on Moscow on top of penalties earlier this week, including a move by Germany to halt an $11 billion gas pipeline from Russia.

Asked if China is prepared to increase purchases of Russian oil in response to U.S. and EU sanctions, Wang said: "Sanctions have never been an effective way to resolve problems. We hope the relevant parties can work hard to to resolve the problem through dialogue and consultation."

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4455315

 

[Markhor]

The western blocs double standards n hypocrisy is in full flow Comparing the russians to nazis ans putin to hitler

If the usa n co can "liberate" countries (i use the word very very loosely) and conduct regime changes all over the world looking after their self interests why cant russia?

Two wrongs doesn't make a right though does it ? Surely we should apply the same standards to every nation.

Russia are seemingly going further than regime change - they're actually splitting off Donestk and Luhansk away from Ukraine by recognising them as independent.

Redrawing borders by force sets a dangerous precedent. How would we feel if another country invaded Balochistan and recognised it as independent because of our actions in the the province ?

 

[shaz619]

Two wrongs doesn't make a right though does it ? Surely we should apply the same standards to every nation.

Russia are seemingly going further than regime change - they're actually splitting off Donestk and Luhansk away from Ukraine by recognising them as independent.

Redrawing borders by force sets a dangerous precedent. How would we feel if another country invaded Balochistan and recognised it as independent because of our actions in the the province ?

Ukraine has a special place in the heart of the invading country though, and also there’s a security concern.

What if you got word that a bunch of peaceful Brummies could potentially arrive on the borders of Huddersfield and Wakefield with nukes , obviously they’d just be sat there doing nothing really. Wouldn’t you feel compelled to act in the interest of Sheffield after repeatedly warning your neighbours to not get in bed with the pacifist Brummies

 

[Bewal Express]

Lets stick to this conflict, its hard enough for you to understand let alone us divulging into Georgia.

ITs tragic when Russian speaking Ukrainians have been murdered for last 7/8 years but a day into this , you see it as evil? lol

Those areas also do not want to be part of Ukraine. If you are using democracy as an excuse, let them leave Ukraine.

Pls stop watching BBC news.

Facts can't be disputed, look up the referendum and look at results for these area.I think you need to stop watching RT for your news. You said Putin only wanted these areas but the next day all the apologists went quiet. Only last week the Russians said it was lies that they wanted to invade, so what happened?

 

[Zaz]

Two wrongs doesn't make a right though does it ? Surely we should apply the same standards to every nation.

Russia are seemingly going further than regime change - they're actually splitting off Donestk and Luhansk away from Ukraine by recognising them as independent.

Redrawing borders by force sets a dangerous precedent. How would we feel if another country invaded Balochistan and recognised it as independent because of our actions in the the province ?

We should apply the same standards to every nation but in reality the world doesnt work that way

The west dont apply the same standard Why should russia?

Moscow for months has stated it will not allow nato forces on its borders and would see ukraine joining them as an act of war Its now de militarising ukraine n creating a buffer which will keep the west at bay

Its protecting its self interest like most of the western powers would do

Its not right but all the west had to do was back off and we wouldnt be where we are

Its imperative to tell the whole story n not just one sides propoganda to show why we are where we are n its not solely down to russia

 

[Zaz]

Would boris sit back quietly and not do anything if ireland joined the russian bloc with the potential of having russian troops over there on its borders?

 

[irfan]

Up until now I can understand why Putin has done what he has, but now looks like he's sending in 10K Chechen paramilitaries which will lead to a bloodbath, Ukrainians will naturally want to resist an occupation by a foreign force.

 

[James]

British troops will not be sent to fight against Russia, Defence Secretary Ben Wallace has confirmed.

Direct action would trigger a European war, he said. While Ukraine is not in Nato, an attack on UK troops would be seen as an attack on the alliance.

Mr Wallace said Russia had failed on its main objective on the first day of its offensive against Ukraine and that 450 Russian troops had been killed.

Russian forces have now advanced on the capital Kyiv.

 

[James]

British airlines have been banned from landing at Russia's airports and from crossing its airspace, the Russian civil aviation regulator has said.

Russia said the move was a response to "the unfriendly decisions by the UK aviation authorities".

On Thursday, the UK banned Russia's national airline Aeroflot from landing in Britain.

The measure was part of sanctions introduced following Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.

UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace told ITV: "I think that's their retaliation for us yesterday banning Aeroflot from using and landing in the United Kingdom. That's their response."

Russia's civil aviation authority Rosaviatsia said: "This measure was taken in accordance with the provisions of the Intergovernmental Air Services Agreement between Russia and the UK as a response to unfriendly decisions by the UK aviation authorities regarding the restriction on regular flights of aircraft owned, leased or operated by a person associated with Russia or registered in Russia."

British Airways said in a statement it was notifying customers on cancelled services and would offer full refunds.

"We apologise for the inconvenience but this is clearly a matter beyond our control," the airline said.

"We will continue to monitor the situation closely."

British Airways normally operates three flights per week each way between London and Moscow.

Following Russia's announcement, Virgin Atlantic also said flight paths had been adjusted for some of its services between the UK, Pakistan and India. Flight times on these routes will be extended by between 15 minutes and an hour.

Virgin Atlantic apologised for the delays, adding: "The safety and security of our customers and people always comes first and we're monitoring the situation in Ukraine and Russia extremely carefully following the escalation of conflict."

Virgin Atlantic's cargo-only flights between London Heathrow and Shanghai, which normally operate four times a week, have also been suspended.

Tracking data from Flightradar24 showed BA and Virgin Atlantic between Delhi, Islamabad and London are taking southern routes to avoid Russian airspace.

 

[Bewal Express]

Would boris sit back quietly and not do anything if ireland joined the russian bloc with the potential of having russian troops over there on its borders?

So you think the UK would invade Ireland? Remember the IRA attacked the UK for years from Rep of Ireland and I don't Remember any invasions. Russia isn't under threat from Ukraine or anyone else. Why would anyone be so stupid to attack a Nuclear state

 

[Bewal Express]

We should apply the same standards to every nation but in reality the world doesnt work that way

The west dont apply the same standard Why should russia?

Moscow for months has stated it will not allow nato forces on its borders and would see ukraine joining them as an act of war Its now de militarising ukraine n creating a buffer which will keep the west at bay

Its protecting its self interest like most of the western powers would do

Its not right but all the west had to do was back off and we wouldnt be where we are

Its imperative to tell the whole story n not just one sides propoganda to show why we are where we are n its not solely down to russia

Russia fears a successful, democratic Ukraine not a militaristic neighbour. He knows that just like other Old Warsaw Pact countries have made a success of leaving behind Russian influence, Ukraine would do the same.

 

[Technics 1210]

All these anti-Russian users, you have failed to answer the simplest of questions - what would your beloved West do if Russia parked nukes in Ireland/Cuba? Stop spinning yarns and quit the regurgitation the Western media.

You known the answer, so stop pretending.

And save the condemnation route, your West declared war in ME, illegally, in the name of freedom and democracy.

Lets hear it.

 

[Technics 1210]

Russia fears a successful, democratic Ukraine not a militaristic neighbour. He knows that just like other Old Warsaw Pact countries have made a success of leaving behind Russian influence, Ukraine would do the same.

West fears a successful Russia. Whats your point?

 

[Bewal Express]

West fears a successful Russia. Whats your point?

The Russian economy is on par with Italy, it has nothing outside Energy. Can you enlighten as to what their greatest success is?

 

[Bewal Express]

All these anti-Russian users, you have failed to answer the simplest of questions - what would your beloved West do if Russia parked nukes in Ireland/Cuba? Stop spinning yarns and quit the regurgitation the Western media.

You known the answer, so stop pretending.

And save the condemnation route, your West declared war in ME, illegally, in the name of freedom and democracy.

Lets hear it.

Can America or anyone else only attack Russia from close by? The North Korean weapons can reach America and vice versa. I think that argument has been nullified by technology

 

[Technics 1210]

Can America or anyone else only attack Russia from close by? The North Korean weapons can reach America and vice versa. I think that argument has been nullified by technology

You didn’t answer the question.

I think you have no argument, in fact, I know you do not.

 

[Technics 1210]

The Russian economy is on par with Italy, it has nothing outside Energy. Can you enlighten as to what their greatest success is?

Stop lying. Russia has one of the lowest GDP to Debt ratios (around 15%). Italy’s debt to ratio is around 135%.

You can look these figures up, when you do, you will realise why Russia is not concerned about economic sanctions.

Russia’s success is curbing debt.

 

[Bewal Express]

You didn’t answer the question.

I think you have no argument, in fact, I know you do not.

I have just answered your point. Having weapons on the border mattered when technology didn't allow long range missiles. The N Koreans can attack America so your point is redundant.

 

[Technics 1210]

I have just answered your point. Having weapons on the border mattered when technology didn't allow long range missiles. The N Koreans can attack America so your point is redundant.

No you did not. I asked if Russia parked nukes in Cuba/Ireland, what would the West do. You know the answer, but not brave enough to state it.

 

[Bewal Express]

Stop lying. Russia has one of the lowest GDP to Debt ratios (around 15%). Italy’s debt to ratio is around 135%.

You can look these figures up, when you do, you will realise why Russia is not concerned about economic sanctions.

Russia’s success is curbing debt.

What is the GDP of Russia? 1709.58 USD Billion and What is Italy 1.886 trillion and the Italian population is half of Russias. Do you want to apologise

 

[Bewal Express]

No you did not. I asked if Russia parked nukes in Cuba/Ireland, what would the West do. You know the answer, but not brave enough to state it.

It mattered when the technology didn't allow long range attacks. It would be more a political concern than any fear of attack. And Ukraine did have weapons and gave them up.

 

[James]

Vladimir Putin has appealed directly to Ukrainian troops and told them "it will be easier for us to agree if you take power in your own hands".

During the address, the Russian president said it was "easier to negotiate with you" than the "gang of Nazis that has captured Kyiv" - an apparent reference to Ukraine's leadership.

"I once again appeal to the military personnel of the armed forces of Ukraine: do not allow neo-Nazis and (Ukrainian radical nationalists) to use your children, wives and elders as human shields," he said at a televised meeting with Russia's security council.

"Take power into your own hands, it will be easier for us to reach agreement."

He claimed most Ukrainian military units were reluctant to engage the Russian forces.

 

[Technics 1210]

What is the GDP of Russia? 1709.58 USD Billion and What is Italy 1.886 trillion and the Italian population is half of Russias. Do you want to apologise

Irrelevant.

You claimed Russia’s economy is on par with Italy, when clearly it is not. GDP/debt is a primary measurement of economic health.

Do your homework buddy.

 

[Technics 1210]

It mattered when the technology didn't allow long range attacks. It would be more a political concern than any fear of attack. And Ukraine did have weapons and gave them up.

Still no answer.

Thanks for playing,

 

[Technics 1210]

Technology didn’t allow long range. Long range is neither here nor there if the nukes are parked on the border next door.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Facts can't be disputed, look up the referendum and look at results for these area.I think you need to stop watching RT for your news. You said Putin only wanted these areas but the next day all the apologists went quiet. Only last week the Russians said it was lies that they wanted to invade, so what happened?

It depends on how far you want to go back. When the Soviet Union crumled it gave away land which was Russian land. Crimea was also a vote, but its not accepted. You cant pick and choose when it suits you or your interests(not you west).

You ignore the KEY point. Russia does not want missiles on its borders in what is historically Russian land with Russian speakers. All it demanded is for Ukraine to remain neutral not join Nato and not have nuclear missiles pointed at them. Ukraine foolishly believed the terrorist org Nato. Now they are begging for a no fly zone and even boots on the ground from Nato but are gettting no help.

The Ukranian PM now wants to be neutral and make a peace deal. He should have done this before saving many of his peoples lives! Instead this fool sent his soldiers to homes to drag men out to fight who have no experience and who did not want to fight. They will be cannon fodder.

Its disgusting the BBC and western media are not pushing for a peace deal but encouring Ukranians to die for their imperial interests. They are almost in tears of this breaking news.

Ukraine wants peace and is ready for talks with Russia, including on neutral status regarding NATO, Ukrainian presidential advisor Mykhailo Podolyak told Reuters on Friday.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...tral-status-says-official/article65083826.ece

 

[Technics 1210]

It’s becoming boring now.

The hypocrisy exposed, the duality exposed, and the false condemnation, of the left exposed.

Truth = if Russia parked nukes in Ireland / Cuba, then both Amreeka and NATO would retaliate, no different from Russia now.

Fact.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I have just answered your point. Having weapons on the border mattered when technology didn't allow long range missiles. The N Koreans can attack America so your point is redundant.

This is very poor.

US missiles from its land can reach Moscow 30-40 mins. Do you seriously think having the same missiles in Ukraine wouldnt be an advantage?. Clue::: Less time.

 

[Technics 1210]

It depends on how far you want to go back. When the Soviet Union crumled it gave away land which was Russian land. Crimea was also a vote, but its not accepted. You cant pick and choose when it suits you or your interests(not you west).

You ignore the KEY point. Russia does not want missiles on its borders in what is historically Russian land with Russian speakers. All it demanded is for Ukraine to remain neutral not join Nato and not have nuclear missiles pointed at them. Ukraine foolishly believed the terrorist org Nato. Now they are begging for a no fly zone and even boots on the ground from Nato but are gettting no help.

The Ukranian PM now wants to be neutral and make a peace deal. He should have done this before saving many of his peoples lives! Instead this fool sent his soldiers to homes to drag men out to fight who have no experience and who did not want to fight. They will be cannon fodder.

Its disgusting the BBC and western media are not pushing for a peace deal but encouring Ukranians to die for their imperial interests. They are almost in tears of this breaking news.



https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...tral-status-says-official/article65083826.ece

The majority do not care of Ukraine. Zilch. But now they do cos they’ve bought into the media narrative.

Brainwashing at its finest.

 

[JaDed]

It’s remarkable to see China struggling to balance due to the pact they signed last month, it almost seems like they didn’t expect this to happen(which I highly doubt).

Irrespective it’s change , how the western/Democratic world responds will be very interesting.

I’m not surprised to see many UK citizens on this forum are all for China-Russia led world order.

 

[Technics 1210]

I sincerly hope, Russia and China work towards dumping The USD. Iraq and Libya tried, and we all known what happened. USA with their useless leader will never go to war against Russia/China; USA only attacks the weak.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It’s remarkable to see China struggling to balance due to the pact they signed last month, it almost seems like they didn’t expect this to happen(which I highly doubt).

Irrespective it’s change , how the western/Democratic world responds will be very interesting.

I’m not surprised to see many UK citizens on this forum are all for China-Russia led world order.

I would say most of India, over a billion are with Russia too. But this is only because of nationalism, they sell us S400 etc

In the UK , there is freedom of thought and speech. Many here are saying its nothing to do with us and they are right. UK should be forging ties with Russia, we have elderly freezing to death because of high fuel costs. UK should become like the Swiss, be a neutral nation but sadly the governments here are controlled by outsiders.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It’s remarkable to see China struggling to balance due to the pact they signed last month, it almost seems like they didn’t expect this to happen(which I highly doubt).

Irrespective it’s change , how the western/Democratic world responds will be very interesting.

I’m not surprised to see many UK citizens on this forum are all for China-Russia led world order.

No one should be leading world order, not China, Russia or US/UK. Not unless the world order is in a position to empower and enrich the world it is ordering.

If US wants to put order on the Congo, fine, then make it part of the USA empire and build a replica of the USA in Africa. Otherwise Russians, Brits, Americans and Chinese should maybe take care of their own backyard and leave the rest of the world to look after theirs.

 

[Bewal Express]

Irrelevant.

You claimed Russia’s economy is on par with Italy, when clearly it is not. GDP/debt is a primary measurement of economic health.

Do your homework buddy.

You do know that I teach this sort of thing so when you make silly statement make sure you have your facts ready .

Based on that logic Uganda with a Debt ratio of 4% must be amongst the elite economies of the World and also using your metric, America poorer is poorer than Russia. So the Russian people must be living a life of luxury. High debt is a problem when you cant service it, Countries like Japan etc have a debt to GDP of way higher than a 100% but don't have a problem servicing it.

 

[Technics 1210]

You do know that I teach this sort of thing so when you make silly statement make sure you have your facts ready .

Based on that logic Uganda with a Debt ratio of 4% must be amongst the elite economies of the World and also using your metric, America poorer is poorer than Russia. So the Russian people must be living a life of luxury. High debt is a problem when you cant service it, Countries like Japan etc have a debt to GDP of way higher than a 100% but don't have a problem servicing it.

If you teach this stuff then it’s more of an embarrassment.

Forget about servicing debt, this wasn’t your point, you made the claim Russia’s economy is on par with Italy and you cannot back this claim.

Russia has more currency reserves than Italy, has less debt than Italy, and Russia sells more services than Italy.

You teach this stuff right?

 

[Bewal Express]

If you teach this stuff then it’s more of an embarrassment.

Forget about servicing debt, this wasn’t your point, you made the claim Russia’s economy is on par with Italy and you cannot back this claim.

Russia has more currency reserves than Italy, has less debt than Italy, and Russia sells more services than Italy.

You teach this stuff right?

It's actually smaller. Look at the figures. Italy people are much better off. I am not sure where you are coming from. Having lots of Foreign currency is good but the GDP is tiny compared to other major economies

 

[Technics 1210]

It's actually smaller. Look at the figures.

Irrelevant, point is Russia’s economy is not on par with Italy’s economy.

 

[Bewal Express]

If you teach this stuff then it’s more of an embarrassment.

Forget about servicing debt, this wasn’t your point, you made the claim Russia’s economy is on par with Italy and you cannot back this claim.

Russia has more currency reserves than Italy, has less debt than Italy, and Russia sells more services than Italy.

You teach this stuff right?

If Debt is the main metric, then are you saying Uganda is an economic power. Debt is amongst many things you look at.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If you teach this stuff then it’s more of an embarrassment.

Forget about servicing debt, this wasn’t your point, you made the claim Russia’s economy is on par with Italy and you cannot back this claim.

Russia has more currency reserves than Italy, has less debt than Italy, and Russia sells more services than Italy.

You teach this stuff right?

Its an absurd argument from the poster. Russia has more than double the Gold reserves of Italy. This will limit damage of sanctions.

 

[Technics 1210]

If Debt is the main metric, then are you saying Uganda is an economic power. Debt is amongst many things you look at.

Wrong again. I mentioned GDP and Debt.

The GDP/Ratio.

 

[Technics 1210]

Its an absurd argument from the poster. Russia has more than double the Gold reserves of Italy. This will limit damage of sanctions.

Not only this. Russia provides 40% of energy supplies to Europe, what does Italy provide? Gucci/Hugo Boss suits?

 

[Bewal Express]

This is very poor.

US missiles from its land can reach Moscow 30-40 mins. Do you seriously think having the same missiles in Ukraine wouldnt be an advantage?. Clue::: Less time.

But China and Russia have weapons on each others borders and they have also been at war in the 1960s. Ind and PK have weapons in each others borders. Turkey has weapons of NATO in its borders, should Russia invade them two?

 

[Technics 1210]

But China and Russia have weapons on each others borders and they have also been at war in the 1960s. Ind and PK have weapons in each others borders. Turkey has weapons of NATO in its borders, should Russia invade them two?

China and Russia have dialogue, your beloved West refuses to have dialogue with Russia let alone compromise. Not unless when it comes to the the IRA terrorists of course.

Turkey doesn’t border with Russia. Though saying this, the Cuban missile crisis started with your Amreeka boys parking nukes in Turkey. LONG range missiles.

 

[Bewal Express]

Wrong again. I mentioned GDP and Debt.

The GDP/Ratio.

" GDP/debt is a primary measurement of economic health" but Ugandas is 4%. So based on that do you think Uganda is an economic power house.

 

[Bewal Express]

Its an absurd argument from the poster. Russia has more than double the Gold reserves of Italy. This will limit damage of sanctions.

But they have all these reserves and their economy is smaller than Italy. What's gone wrong?

 

[Technics 1210]

" GDP/debt is a primary measurement of economic health" but Ugandas is 4%. So based on that do you think Uganda is an economic power house.

What has Uganda got to do with this? You were comparing Russia with Italy. 15% vs 135% GDP/Debt ratio.

If you were my teacher then I would want a refund.

 

[Bewal Express]

China and Russia have dialogue, your beloved West refuses to have dialogue with Russia let alone compromise. Not unless when it comes to the the IRA terrorists of course.

Turkey doesn’t border with Russia. Though saying this, the Cuban missile crisis started with your Amreeka boys parking nukes in Turkey. LONG range missiles.

Where is the beloved West coming from? I hate evil people and Putin us evil. All these pointless conflicts do is to push up prices of essentials and the rich getter rich. Already the price of wheat has gone up and it goes without saying that Gas and oil will go up. Swiss banks will gain billions, and the poor can't feed themselves.

 

[KingKhanWC]

But China and Russia have weapons on each others borders and they have also been at war in the 1960s. Ind and PK have weapons in each others borders. Turkey has weapons of NATO in its borders, should Russia invade them two?

Erm China and Russia are allies.

Turkey and Russia do not share a border.

Pak only aquired nukes because India already did, which is helps my argument not yours.

Please make sensible points or please join the UK army and head off to help the Ukrainians even if you're sat in Poland drinking chai.

 

[Bewal Express]

What has Uganda got to do with this? You were comparing Russia with Italy. 15% vs 135% GDP/Debt ratio.

If you were my teacher then I would want a refund.

I quoted you and the metric you used. "GDP/debt is a primary measurement of economic health". Are you saying its not the main metric or just one of many metrics. You seemed to be running around looking for a way out.

 

[Technics 1210]

Where is the beloved West coming from? I hate evil people and Putin us evil. All these pointless conflicts do is to push up prices of essentials and the rich getter rich. Already the price of wheat has gone up and it goes without saying that Gas and oil will go up. Swiss banks will gain billions, and the poor can't feed themselves.

See this is just western media talk.

Ok so you hate Putin, but where have you said you hate western leaders for invading countries in the ME, illegally, or under the guide of freedom/democracy?

The poor couldn’t feed themselves ever since capitalism took mainstream. You think poverty/poor only exist because of Putin?

Where were you when the price of Oil went up went the West were bombing the ME?

 

[Technics 1210]

I quoted you and the metric you used. "GDP/debt is a primary measurement of economic health". Are you saying its not the main metric or just one of many metrics. You seemed to be running around looking for a way out.

Yes I did, proving Russia’s economy is not on par with Italy, then you realised your claim was rubbish and invoked Uganda.

Do your homework next time.

 

[KingKhanWC]

But they have all these reserves and their economy is smaller than Italy. What's gone wrong?

They are pretty similar, you're clutching at straws here.

The key to this topic is Russia's gold reserves which will limit damage of sanctions.

 

[Technics 1210]

They are pretty similar, you're clutching at straws here.

The key to this topic is Russia's gold reserves which will limit damage of sanctions.

I reckon he will invoke Luxembourg next.

Honestly.

 

[Bewal Express]

Erm China and Russia are allies.

Turkey and Russia do not share a border.

Pak only aquired nukes because India already did, which is helps my argument not yours.

Please make sensible points or please join the UK army and head off to help the Ukrainians even if you're sat in Poland drinking chai.

China is not anyone allies. They have mutual interests at this point in time. This isn't school and you have a friend and that is your best Buddy for life. Interests coincide and your allies and then they don't and you aren't.
And Ukraine gave up its weapons. If it held onto them them there would no invasion. It shows how shallow your points are. Just incoherent to support an evil man.
And your last point is straight from the 6th form debating society��

 

[Technics 1210]

China is not an ally - straight out of the Western propaganda hand book.

 

[Bewal Express]

They are pretty similar, you're clutching at straws here.

The key to this topic is Russia's gold reserves which will limit damage of sanctions.

Russia isn't going to be damaged by the sanctions but Russian people will feel the pinch. The gold reserves don't put cheap food on the table unless you sell them to subsidise prices

 

[Bewal Express]

China is not an ally - straight of of the Western propaganda hand book.

Are you saying that interests don't change over time.

 

[KingKhanWC]

China is not anyone allies. They have mutual interests at this point in time. This isn't school and you have a friend and that is your best Buddy for life. Interests coincide and your allies and then they don't and you aren't.
And Ukraine gave up its weapons. If it held onto them them there would no invasion. It shows how shallow your points are. Just incoherent to support an evil man.
And your last point is straight from the 6th form debating society��

Im replying accordingly to what I recieve.

China was the key to helping Pakistan aquire nukes. If it wasnt for China, you wouldnt be watching Imran Khan as PM but Modi but I assume its ok because you hate China more than you love Pakistan.

When did Ukraine give up its weapons? lol. You are confused, the issue is not Ukraine getting rid of its decent tanks or its handguns. The issue is Ukraine wanted to Join Nato, pointing Nato missiles at Moscow.

You still wont get it, so ill agree to disagree but serisouly if you are so worried about the Russians after binge watching 007 movies, please join the British reservists, they might need you soon.

 

[Technics 1210]

Russia isn't going to be damaged by the sanctions but Russian people will feel the pinch. The gold reserves don't put cheap food on the table unless you sell them to subsidise prices

Wrong. Gold reserves bolsters currency reserves which is why Russia were able to halt the devaluation of the Ruble unlike Venezuela/Turkey. Russia has over 600 Billion in USD reserves, and over 3000 Tonnes of Gold. You can do the math. Not to mention the amount of US treasuries Russia owns.

 

[Technics 1210]

Are you saying that interests don't change over time.

China is an ally of Russia. This is what I am saying.

Interests do change over time, and over time the West has proven itself to be a geopolitical and geo finance bully.

Time to stand up to the Western political and financial grip.

All hail Putin.

 

[Bewal Express]

China is an ally of Russia. This is what I am saying.

Interests do change over time, and over time the West has proven itself to be a geopolitical and geo finance bully.

Time to stand up to the Western political and financial grip.

All hail Putin.

There interests are coinciding but they can just as easily change. China is actually a threat to Russia along with a dying population

 

[Bewal Express]

Im replying accordingly to what I recieve.

China was the key to helping Pakistan aquire nukes. If it wasnt for China, you wouldnt be watching Imran Khan as PM but Modi but I assume its ok because you hate China more than you love Pakistan.

When did Ukraine give up its weapons? lol. You are confused, the issue is not Ukraine getting rid of its decent tanks or its handguns. The issue is Ukraine wanted to Join Nato, pointing Nato missiles at Moscow.

You still wont get it, so ill agree to disagree but serisouly if you are so worried about the Russians after binge watching 007 movies, please join the British reservists, they might need you soon.

Ukraine gave up its weapons because of guarantees from both Russia and America. If it had weapons it wouldn't have been invaded. A terrible message to send to countries without weapons.

 

[Bewal Express]

Im replying accordingly to what I recieve.

China was the key to helping Pakistan aquire nukes. If it wasnt for China, you wouldnt be watching Imran Khan as PM but Modi but I assume its ok because you hate China more than you love Pakistan.

When did Ukraine give up its weapons? lol. You are confused, the issue is not Ukraine getting rid of its decent tanks or its handguns. The issue is Ukraine wanted to Join Nato, pointing Nato missiles at Moscow.

You still wont get it, so ill agree to disagree but serisouly if you are so worried about the Russians after binge watching 007 movies, please join the British reservists, they might need you soon.

Apparently this your only argument against people that show up the shallowness of your debating skills. Have the army asked for people to join?

 

[Bewal Express]

They are pretty similar, you're clutching at straws here.

The key to this topic is Russia's gold reserves which will limit damage of sanctions.

Thats what i said initially and the facts it showed it was actually smaller, But your friend is arguing something else. Have a word with him

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ukraine gave up its weapons because of guarantees from both Russia and America. If it had weapons it wouldn't have been invaded. A terrible message to send to countries without weapons.

Where do you get this info, the school liberiran? Ukraine had no choice but to go Nuclear free, as these were Soviet nukes. It was part of their independence.

Ukraine actually has very modern tanks, plenty of guns, missiles, choppers and now we see suicide bombers.

You have made my point. Ukraine then wouldnt agree not to join Nato and Nato didnt agree not to take them, meaning their previous deals of nukes had been violated.

 

[Bewal Express]

Wrong. Gold reserves bolsters currency reserves which is why Russia were able to halt the devaluation of the Ruble unlike Venezuela/Turkey. Russia has over 600 Billion in USD reserves, and over 3000 Tonnes of Gold. You can do the math. Not to mention the amount of US treasuries Russia owns.

You will see that prices in Russia will rise as the sanctions start to affect, not least because of the depreciation of the Ruble and the outflow of the capital. The elite are safe and won't and aren't ever hurt, they are just inconvenienced. It's the poor people that get hurt but who cares about the voiceless.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You will see that prices in Russia will rise as the sanctions start to affect, not least because of the depreciation of the Ruble and the outflow of the capital. The elite are safe and won't and aren't ever hurt, they are just inconvenienced. It's the poor people that get hurt but who cares about the voiceless.

Cleary not you.

Over 10,000 have been killed by Ukraine in the eastern areas. If Russia had not intervened they were on the verge of being wiped out by Nazis in Charge of Ukraine. Any thoughts on their right to life?

 

[Bewal Express]

Where do you get this info, the school liberiran? Ukraine had no choice but to go Nuclear free, as these were Soviet nukes. It was part of their independence.

Ukraine actually has very modern tanks, plenty of guns, missiles, choppers and now we see suicide bombers.

You have made my point. Ukraine then wouldnt agree not to join Nato and Nato didnt agree not to take them, meaning their previous deals of nukes had been violated.

No choice according to who? If you have them, who is going to take them off you. There was an agreement between Russia, America and Ukraine. Do you fancy attacking a country with weapons that they have. Some of your logic is truly bizarre and a little worrying. You need to go back to RT and ask them how you disarm a country which has Nuclear weapons around 5000 of them.

 

[Bewal Express]

Cleary not you.

Over 10,000 have been killed by Ukraine in the eastern areas. If Russia had not intervened they were on the verge of being wiped out by Nazis in Charge of Ukraine. Any thoughts on their right to life?

Can you give me a source for your 10,000. Lets hope it isn't RT again is it.

 

[Bewal Express]

This is very poor.

US missiles from its land can reach Moscow 30-40 mins. Do you seriously think having the same missiles in Ukraine wouldnt be an advantage?. Clue::: Less time.

So the advantage is worth what? Let's stay Russia is hit within 2 min with a 1000 missiles. Do you think that America will survive because we have these amazing things called Submarines and they have weapons on them and Russia wont retaliate . And the fact that any Nuclear attack on any country will leave every other country in the World also struggling with Nuclear fallout for 1000s of years. Maybe you need to hit the Library and or just Google it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No choice according to who? If you have them, who is going to take them off you. There was an agreement between Russia, America and Ukraine. Do you fancy attacking a country with weapons that they have. Some of your logic is truly bizarre and a little worrying. You need to go back to RT and ask them how you disarm a country which has Nuclear weapons around 5000 of them.

The only weapons Ukraine has given up was when the Soviets gave them the land. Please specify which weapons you are cooking up here?

 

[KingKhanWC]

So the advantage is worth what? Let's stay Russia is hit within 2 min with a 1000 missiles. Do you think that America will survive because we have these amazing things called Submarines and they have weapons on them and Russia wont retaliate . And the fact that any Nuclear attack on any country will leave every other country in the World also struggling with Nuclear fallout for 1000s of years. Maybe you need to hit the Library and or just Google it.

Its a huge advantage otherwise US wouldnt want to park their missiles in Europe. It means they dont have to launch an attack from Nevada but can from Ukraine. Russia would then retaliate to Europe first and will be almost destroyed with limited missiles hitting a huge nation such as America, it will mostly be unharmed.

Do you teach military science at all?

 

[Bewal Express]

Its a huge advantage otherwise US wouldnt want to park their missiles in Europe. It means they dont have to launch an attack from Nevada but can from Ukraine. Russia would then retaliate to Europe first and will be almost destroyed with limited missiles hitting a huge nation such as America, it will mostly be unharmed.

Do you teach military science at all?

I am not sure which planet you live on but no one can ever win a Nuclear War. If you believe that they can win a Nuclear then I am not sure what to say to you. Its the type of thing you hear from year 9s not from informed adults.

 

[Bewal Express]

The only weapons Ukraine has given up was when the Soviets gave them the land. Please specify which weapons you are cooking up here?

But they were on Ukrainian soil and they had them under the control. Tell me how you take Missiles from someone? Again you seem to be very confused

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am not sure which planet you live on but no one can ever win a Nuclear War. If you believe that they can win a Nuclear then I am not sure what to say to you. Its the type of thing you hear from year 9s not from informed adults.

Depends what winning is, if its survival having nukes on the border of an enemy is far more advantagous than firing them from you land , thousand of miles away. A 9 year old would understand this?

But they were on Ukrainian soil and they had them under the control. Tell me how you take Missiles from someone? Again you seem to be very confused

Which weapons are you specifically talking of? Name the dates or post a link pls?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Can you give me a source for your 10,000. Lets hope it isn't RT again is it.

Try the UN. What is wrong with RT and why do you think its less accurate than BBC?

 

[KingKhanWC]

These are the national guard of Urkaine, they have killed huge number of civilians in Eastern Ukraine.
Azov Battalion

Its sad BROWN people are supporting Nazis who would kill their family very quickly.

 

[Bewal Express]

These are the national guard of Urkaine, they have killed huge number of civilians in Eastern Ukraine.
Azov Battalion

Its sad BROWN people are supporting Nazis who would kill their family very quickly.

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What's your source for the images. Don't tell me it was RT. Last week they got rumbled for using fake noise. Apparently it came from some finish film

 

[Bewal Express]

Try the UN. What is wrong with RT and why do you think its less accurate than BBC?

Can you tell us the source please. A link to the UN report will help. If its true, its terrible

 

[KingKhanWC]

What's your source for the images. Don't tell me it was RT. Last week they got rumbled for using fake noise. Apparently it came from some finish film

) BBC or schools dont teach this.

Here you go...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion