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Russia invades Ukraine

Every invader blames the victim for the violence

Just like USA said Afghanistan started the violence by refusing to give up OBL
Or USA saying Saddam started the violence by refusing to give up power (which was the initial demand)

Blaming Ukraine for the invasion falls under the same skewed way of thinking
 
The blind support that so many Pakistanis have for Russia is baffling. Russia is not fighting for Muslims, nor is it fighting against Nazism. It is a political fight in which both countries have blame but the Russians started the actual violence.
If India invades Pakistan in the name of Pakistan having pro China policies and close cooperation with Chinese govt, how many of you will say it is ok to do so ?

No, no Pakistani I personally know have "blind support" for Russia. LoL, this is ridiculous.

One of the main victories of Evil-Satanic-Zionist-Media-Corportaion is to successfully divide a supposedly "educated and well informed" public into "us vs them" camp.

It is all about arming a bunch of "sample x" against "sample y" by demonize "sample y". (Read [MENTION=30006]Jadz[/MENTION] posts in TP. I'll never be as eloquent :yk ).

The only us vs them, I personally care about is: US (the plebians, the poor, the ones who suffer and die) vs THEM (the rich, the manipulators, the usurers, the warmongers, the puppet masters).

It's never about religion, race or borders. It's a war of classes.

For what it is worth, I hope both Biden and Putin die of painful cancer. And Obama, and Bushes and all these villains who still breath.
 
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Every invader blames the victim for the violence

Just like USA said Afghanistan started the violence by refusing to give up OBL
Or USA saying Saddam started the violence by refusing to give up power (which was the initial demand)

Blaming Ukraine for the invasion falls under the same skewed way of thinking

(I'm not advocating for Russia here, and I have to say this because your mind is manipulated to rapidly think this instead of looking at actual, real facts: )


In this case thousands of Russians died by Neo-Nazi Ukrainians in bordering area. And you can read about all this from page 1 of this very thread.

Also, Ukraine was about to arm itself with nukes. Again, this was a Zionist ploy and common Ukrainian has been set up as a lamb to slaughter by the Puppet, but it is what it is.
 
BBC News - War in Ukraine: Facebook to allow calls for violence against Putin

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60702619

The owner of Facebook and Instagram will allow users in some countries to call for violence against Vladimir Putin and Russian soldiers.

Meta says it has "temporarily" made allowances for some violent speech, like "death to the Russian invaders," that would usually break its rules.

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Further hypocrisy of the West exposed. Meta now making exceptions to its policy to promote violence.

Despicable.


Disgusting .

Western armies & their media machine are just evil .

Time to move on from fb
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Russian Defense Ministry’s TV channel just shared this footage of Syrian combatants ready to “volunteer” in Ukraine. (Putin moments ago endorsed such deployments, claiming that the West is openly sending mercenaries.) <a href="https://t.co/ouCfjAcSde">pic.twitter.com/ouCfjAcSde</a></p>— Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock) <a href="https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1502232208781762560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 11, 2022</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Russian Defense Ministry’s TV channel just shared this footage of Syrian combatants ready to “volunteer” in Ukraine. (Putin moments ago endorsed such deployments, claiming that the West is openly sending mercenaries.) <a href="https://t.co/ouCfjAcSde">pic.twitter.com/ouCfjAcSde</a></p>— Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock) <a href="https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1502232208781762560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 11, 2022</a></blockquote>
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So 'Muricans are bringing in their ISIS freedom-bringers and Russians are importing their very own Syrian peacemakers!

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The blind support that so many Pakistanis have for Russia is baffling. Russia is not fighting for Muslims, nor is it fighting against Nazism. It is a political fight in which both countries have blame but the Russians started the actual violence.
If India invades Pakistan in the name of Pakistan having pro China policies and close cooperation with Chinese govt, how many of you will say it is ok to do so ?

Most of the posters you are referring to are not actual Pakistanis, but westerners with Pakistani heritage. In my opinion their scepticism towards western version of events is well justified, they will have been exposed to propaganda and it's uses from considerable first hand experience.

Of course that may well be the same from other sides as well, Russia, China, Syria and the rest may well be presenting a skewed story as well. Whenever I see your posts, I see the flag is Bangladesh, but then I remember there are Hindu Bengalis as well. Your view will no doubt carry it's own slant whatever your religion or beliefs may be.
 
Disgusting .

Western armies & their media machine are just evil .

Time to move on from fb

Agreed. Time to move on from Meta.

I wonder how those who love to condone violence on the back of virtue signalling will deal with this? Liberals must be in a tail spin if they are true to their virtues. Lets see if they have the sand to close/deactivate their FB accounts.
 
Russia is moving to label the social media giant Meta an "extremist organisation" after the company said it would temporarily allow people to post calls for Vladimir Putin's death.

The country's prosecutor general has also requested that communications regulator Roskomnadzor restrict access to Instagram, following its blocks against Facebook and Twitter last week.

It is the latest clampdown on access to foreign media in Russia in the context of the invasion of Ukraine, which the Russian government describes as a special military operation.

Why are the Russian authorities moving against Meta?

According to the prosecutor general, there are calls on Instagram for Russians to participate in "riots accompanied by violence" against their government's actions in Ukraine.

Meta has reportedly sent emails to moderators that explain the company is making "allowances for forms of political expression that would normally violate our rules".

How are the big tech companies responding to the invasion of Ukraine?

'Alarming' growth in fraud in the UK as scam adverts dupe victims out of 'large sums of money', MPs warn

The encouragement of violence against Russian civilians will continue to be prohibited - and posts calling for the president's death will be deleted if they contain other targets or discuss a location or method.

Rules have also been relaxed surrounding posts about Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko after the invasion.

The temporary policy only applies to users in Armenia, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Russia, Slovakia and Ukraine, according to Reuters news agency.

Why did Meta change its policy?

An email seen by Reuters told moderators: "We are issuing a spirit-of-the-policy allowance to allow T1 violent speech that would otherwise be removed under the Hate Speech policy when: (a) targeting Russian soldiers, EXCEPT prisoners of war, or (b) targeting Russians where it's clear that the context is the Russian invasion of Ukraine (e.g., content mentions the invasion, self-defence, etc.)"

The message went on to explain that the rules are being changed because "Russian soldiers" is being used as a proxy for the military in relation to this invasion.

Key developments:

• Putin's forces edge closer to Kyiv - as mayor says men and women who fled capital returning to fight
• UK sanctions 386 Russian politicians who backed Putin's invasion
• Boris Johnson has told Sky News it has been "deeply upsetting" to reject calls for a no-fly zone over Ukraine
• The UN Security Council meets today to discuss Russia's claims that the US and Ukraine are developing biological weapons - despite firm denials from both countries
• Britons to be asked to welcome Ukrainian refugees into their homes

Meta said: "In light of the ongoing invasion of Ukraine, we made a temporary exception for those affected by war to express sentiments towards invading armed forces such as 'death to the Russian invaders'.

"These are temporary measures designed to preserve voice and expression for people who are facing invasion. As always, we are prohibiting calls for violence against Russians outside of the narrow context of the current invasion."

SKY
 
BBC News - War in Ukraine: Facebook to allow calls for violence against Putin

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60702619

The owner of Facebook and Instagram will allow users in some countries to call for violence against Vladimir Putin and Russian soldiers.

Meta says it has "temporarily" made allowances for some violent speech, like "death to the Russian invaders," that would usually break its rules.

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Further hypocrisy of the West exposed. Meta now making exceptions to its policy to promote violence.

Despicable.

I mean, this is just insane.

Boycott Meta.
 
Russian President Vladimir Putin has called for foreign volunteers to be able to fight against Ukrainian forces.

Speaking at a Russian security council meeting, he said those who wanted to volunteer to fight with Russia-backed forces should be allowed to.

Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said there were 16,000 volunteers in the Middle East ready to fight alongside Russia-backed forces.

US officials said these could include Syrians skilled in urban combat.

Moscow is a long-standing ally of Syria and Mr Putin has been a key backer of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in the country's civil war.

"If you see that there are these people who want of their own accord, not for money, to come to help the people living in Donbas, then we need to give them what they want and help them get to the conflict zone," Mr Putin told his defence minister.

Mr Shoigu also proposed handing over captured Western anti-tank missile systems to Russian-backed rebel fighters in the breakaway Ukrainian regions of Luhansk and Donetsk in the Donbas region.

"Please do this," Mr Putin said.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, responding in a video message, said "thugs from Syria" would be coming to kill people "in a foreign land".

Foreign fighters, including former and current British army personnel, have also been arriving in Ukraine to fight for the government in Kyiv.

Mr Zelensky said recently that 16,000 foreigners had volunteered for the cause, part of what he called an "international legion".

Charles Lister, an analyst with the US-based Middle East Institute, questioned how useful any Syrian forces would be to Mr Putin.

"If [President] Assad's regime begins sending troops to Ukraine, they'll be no more than cannon fodder in a battle and environment that's completely alien to them," he wrote on Twitter.

There was no evidence of any actual recruitment of Syrians having taken place, he added.

The televised security council meeting move came as Russian forces in Ukraine began attacking new targets in different areas of the country:

An airfield and jet engine factory were targeted in Lutsk, in the north-west
Explosions also hit airfields at Ivano-Frankivsk, in the south-west, according to Russian defence officials
In Dnipro, a major stronghold in central eastern Ukraine, one person was reported dead in air strikes
The fighting is driving increasing numbers of people to flee the country, with refugees now totalling 2.5 million

According to the Wall Street Journal, US officials have told the paper that Russia has recently been recruiting fighters from Syria, hoping their expertise in urban warfare can help take Kyiv and deal a devastating blow to the Ukraine government.

At the same time, US private security firms have been seeking to recruit former soldiers to help evacuate people from Ukraine.

BBC
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Russian Defense Ministry’s TV channel just shared this footage of Syrian combatants ready to “volunteer” in Ukraine. (Putin moments ago endorsed such deployments, claiming that the West is openly sending mercenaries.) <a href="https://t.co/ouCfjAcSde">pic.twitter.com/ouCfjAcSde</a></p>— Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock) <a href="https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1502232208781762560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 11, 2022</a></blockquote>
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I think the Russians are simply pointing out they can hire merceneries too.


Most of the Russian special forces have yet to be involved.

Syrians have a lot of experience, these same guys took out ISIS, Al-Qaeada. Bob and Tim from Blackpool wont be an issue for them.
 
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The blind support that so many Pakistanis have for Russia is baffling. Russia is not fighting for Muslims, nor is it fighting against Nazism. It is a political fight in which both countries have blame but the Russians started the actual violence.
If India invades Pakistan in the name of Pakistan having pro China policies and close cooperation with Chinese govt, how many of you will say it is ok to do so ?

Its not that Pakistanis care about Russia. They just see such hypocrisy. Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Kashmir, Syria etc no one really cares in the west. Which is fine, its the most natural thing for Whites to care more for their fellow Europeans than brown and black people. But they expect the rest of the world to boycott Russia when they themselves could care less about non Europeans suffering. That rubs people the wrong way.
 
Ukraine war: Mykolaiv being shelled by Russian forces, regional governor says - and losing city risks opening door to Odesa

Russian forces are shelling the port of Mykolaiv in southern Ukraine, according to the regional governor.

Vladimir Putin's troops are on the northeast side of the Black Sea city but have not taken it despite increasing pressure, said a senior US defence official.

If they capture Mykolaiv, then it will open up the route to Odesa, seen as one of Russia's next strategic goals, about 80 miles away, or a two-hour drive.

It comes as Odesa's mayor said Russian troops could soon surround his city on three fronts.


Mayor Gennadiy Trukhanov claimed Mr Putin's forces would seek to advance from areas they have occupied in the Mykolaiv region towards Moldova's separatist-controlled Transnistria region, where Russian troops are based.

Such a move could cut Odesa off from the rest of Ukraine.

"Also, we think that while this is happening, Russian landing ships could surround us from the sea," Mr Trukhanov added.

Elsewhere in the south of the country, Russian shelling again prevented evacuees leaving the port city of Mariupol, according to Ukrainian deputy prime minister Iryna Vereshchuk.

Mr Putin's forces have laid siege to Mariupol, with Ukraine saying 1,582 civilians have died there in 12 days following the invasion.

Ms Vereshchuk also said Russian forces stopped some buses of people trying to flee the Kyiv region.

But she added some evacuations were successful, including 1,000 people who left the village of Vorzel, also in the Kyiv region.

In Melitopol, which is under Russian control, Mr Putin's forces have allegedly violated international law by abducting the city's mayor.

Ukrainian officials at the foreign ministry say the troops kidnapped Ivan Fedorov after wrongly accusing him of terrorism.

Moscow has not commented on what happened to Mr Fedorov.

Russian forces appeared to be making a renewed offensive toward Kyiv, with Ukrainian troops engaging in a firefight on the outskirts of the capital.


Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said his country will win the war against Russia - while Kyiv's leaders said people who had fled were coming back to fight as Mr Putin's troops edged closer to the capital.

The 44-year-old, who has refused to leave Kyiv, vowed not to give "a single piece of land" to Russia, in a defiant speech to his people.

After days of being stalled, Russia's military could be as close as nine miles (15km) from the city centre, according to a senior US defence official.

As well as advancing on the northwest route into Kyiv, troops are approaching along two parallel lines east of the capital.

Chernihiv, northeast of the capital, is now isolated but the Russian military has not moved past this city, with heavy fighting reported as Ukrainians fight back.

Meanwhile, Russian troops have launched a high-precision, long-range attack on two military airfields in the western Ukrainian cities of Lutsk and Ivano Frankivsk and taken them out of action, Russian news agencies quoted Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov as saying.

He also said Russian forces had destroyed 3,213 Ukrainian military installations since the launch of what Russia calls its "special military operation" in Ukraine.

Two Ukrainian servicemen were killed and six people wounded in the Russian airstrikes on the Lutsk military airfield, according to the head of the surrounding Volyn region, Yuriy Pohulyayko, while the mayor of Ivano-Frankiivsk, Ruslan Martsinkiv, ordered residents in neighbouring areas to head to shelters.

The cities are between 80 to 90 miles (130-150km) from Lviv, the city that has become a refuge for Ukrainians from across the rest of the country and a hub for global humanitarian aid and other support for Ukraine.

At least one person has been killed in three Russian airstrikes near a nursery and block of flats in the eastern city of Dnipro, Interior Ministry adviser Anton Herashchenko said.

One strike hit a shoe factory, sparking a fire, he said.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...ing-city-risks-opening-door-to-odesa-12563752
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Russian Defense Ministry’s TV channel just shared this footage of Syrian combatants ready to “volunteer” in Ukraine. (Putin moments ago endorsed such deployments, claiming that the West is openly sending mercenaries.) <a href="https://t.co/ouCfjAcSde">pic.twitter.com/ouCfjAcSde</a></p>— Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock) <a href="https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1502232208781762560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 11, 2022</a></blockquote>
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i give these jokers a half life of two days. with the first day spent on the transport flight from syria...
 
Russia is moving to label the social media giant Meta an "extremist organisation" after the company said it would temporarily allow people to post calls for Vladimir Putin's death.

The country's prosecutor general has also requested that communications regulator Roskomnadzor restrict access to Instagram, following its blocks against Facebook and Twitter last week.

It is the latest clampdown on access to foreign media in Russia in the context of the invasion of Ukraine, which the Russian government describes as a special military operation.

Why are the Russian authorities moving against Meta?

According to the prosecutor general, there are calls on Instagram for Russians to participate in "riots accompanied by violence" against their government's actions in Ukraine.

Meta has reportedly sent emails to moderators that explain the company is making "allowances for forms of political expression that would normally violate our rules".

How are the big tech companies responding to the invasion of Ukraine?

'Alarming' growth in fraud in the UK as scam adverts dupe victims out of 'large sums of money', MPs warn

The encouragement of violence against Russian civilians will continue to be prohibited - and posts calling for the president's death will be deleted if they contain other targets or discuss a location or method.

Rules have also been relaxed surrounding posts about Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko after the invasion.

The temporary policy only applies to users in Armenia, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Russia, Slovakia and Ukraine, according to Reuters news agency.

Why did Meta change its policy?

An email seen by Reuters told moderators: "We are issuing a spirit-of-the-policy allowance to allow T1 violent speech that would otherwise be removed under the Hate Speech policy when: (a) targeting Russian soldiers, EXCEPT prisoners of war, or (b) targeting Russians where it's clear that the context is the Russian invasion of Ukraine (e.g., content mentions the invasion, self-defence, etc.)"

The message went on to explain that the rules are being changed because "Russian soldiers" is being used as a proxy for the military in relation to this invasion.

Key developments:

• Putin's forces edge closer to Kyiv - as mayor says men and women who fled capital returning to fight
• UK sanctions 386 Russian politicians who backed Putin's invasion
• Boris Johnson has told Sky News it has been "deeply upsetting" to reject calls for a no-fly zone over Ukraine
• The UN Security Council meets today to discuss Russia's claims that the US and Ukraine are developing biological weapons - despite firm denials from both countries
• Britons to be asked to welcome Ukrainian refugees into their homes

Meta said: "In light of the ongoing invasion of Ukraine, we made a temporary exception for those affected by war to express sentiments towards invading armed forces such as 'death to the Russian invaders'.

"These are temporary measures designed to preserve voice and expression for people who are facing invasion. As always, we are prohibiting calls for violence against Russians outside of the narrow context of the current invasion."

SKY
what is Kadyrovr going to do now (when not torturing his own people)?
 
Its not that Pakistanis care about Russia. They just see such hypocrisy. Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Kashmir, Syria etc no one really cares in the west. Which is fine, its the most natural thing for Whites to care more for their fellow Europeans than brown and black people. But they expect the rest of the world to boycott Russia when they themselves could care less about non Europeans suffering. That rubs people the wrong way.

thats absolute fracking nonsense. if you dont have the decency to recognize that there is considerable support for the plight of the Kashmiris, both in India and elsewhere then you ought to be comfortable with the label that since one muslim committed an act of violence, all muslims such as yourself should be labeled as terrorists. if you dont have the decency to separate one person from another, with what audacity do you expect the same courtesy be extended to you?

did all american support the war in iraq? no. not even a majority, except for a brief period when the fog of war and the misinformation clouded judgement. people who once supported the war, understood the folly of their choice and modified their opinion.

I for one supported US intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan, not because of some implied threat from WMDs but because I foolishly hoped that their despotic rulers would be replaced with democratic powers. In Iraq that has been marginally successful but at a significant human cost, costs that could have been mitigated had the US approach not been so heavy handed. In afghanistan, that was an abject failure and at a very very steep human cost. And now like many americans, we are trying to make amends.

Like many Germans, French, Brits, Swedes etc, countries all of whom have accepted millions of refugees and asylum seekers.

Notice how America has learnt from its mistakes, in some degrees as well, and is not supportive of the Saudi campaign in Yemen. If anything it is resulting in significant strain to the Saudi - American diplomatic relationship. Not to mention, there is the very strong possibility that if MbS were to set foot in the united states, a warrant for his arrest may be issued due to his involvement in the killing of Khashogi.

If you paint everyone with a broad paintbrush, dont get your panties in a twist when you are subjected to the same treatment.
 
Russia relying on 'dumb' munitions, UK Ministry of Defence says

In its latest update, the MOD says Russian aircraft supporting ground forces are "relying primarily on unguided 'dumb' munitions".

It adds: "Such weapons are relatively inaccurate and indiscriminate and their use significantly increases the likelihood of civilian casualties."
 
Its not that Pakistanis care about Russia. They just see such hypocrisy. Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Kashmir, Syria etc no one really cares in the west. Which is fine, its the most natural thing for Whites to care more for their fellow Europeans than brown and black people. But they expect the rest of the world to boycott Russia when they themselves could care less about non Europeans suffering. That rubs people the wrong way.


The fault starts with us, as in Muslims or easterners. In most issues you mentioned the Muslim world is divided, unlike this war where every single western country is on the same pro Ukraine page

Of course the west is hypocritical
But lets look at the countries mentioned

Libya: Half the Arab world cheered Gaddafi's fall, including Saudi citizens (not just rulers). Turkey supported the regime change as well

Yemen: The west is supporting from the back, the main killings are done by Saudi coalition and Houthis on the other side

Kashmir: It is hard to blame the west for hypocrisy here when hardly any Muslim country advocates their cause except Pakistan of course, and Turkey.

Syria: The violence in Syria started with Assad and his Russian and Iranian mercenaries. They flattened entire areas to win their "War"

Burma: Guess what, Russia was one of the few countries to support the regime in their massacre of Rohingyas . But still some Bengalis I know go on an anti American rant on how America was responsible for Myanmar killing Rohingyas
 
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what is Kadyrovr going to do now (when not torturing his own people)?

Kadyrov is actually painted as a great Muslim ruler.......
In Bengali FB pages there are images circulating of bearded Chechens praying and fighting in ukraine with the message that Russia is fighting for Islam........

There was a post which had Putin falsely voiced as saying he doesnt care about Ukraibe because no one cared about Palestine. It got tens of thousands of likes and adoring comments from gullible Bangladeshis
 
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UKRAINE war and not about other issues - there are other threads for that.

Are we clear?
 
Macron condemns UK government for failing to live up to 'grand statements' on helping people fleeing Ukraine

French President Emmanuel Macron has condemned the UK government for failing to live up to its "grand statements" on helping Ukrainian refugees.

Speaking at the end of an EU summit in Versailles, Mr Macron reportedly criticised Britain's visa policy which required applicants to make them in person in Brussels or Paris.

Mr Macron said this further exacerbated circumstances for those fleeing the war, according to The Guardian.

"Despite all the grand statements... the British government continued to apply current rules that meant they did not welcome Ukrainian refugees who wanted to reach British soil saying they have to travel hundreds of kilometres in order to apply for a visa," he said,

"I would hope that the Ukrainian men and women who have lived through horror and crossed Europe to reach their families on UK territory will be better treated."

In response to Mr Macron's reported remarks, the Home Office pointed to previous comments from Home Secretary Priti Patel, which stated: "We are now making the process quicker and simpler by removing the need to physically visit visa application centres for many of those who are making the perilous journey across Europe."

UK
 
Russian forces inched towards Kyiv Saturday and pounded civilian areas in other Ukrainian cities as concerns grew over the besieged southern port of Mariupol, where officials said more than 1,500 people had been killed.

Air raid sirens sounded Saturday in several cities, including the capital Kyiv, Odessa, Dnipro and Kharkiv, according to Ukrainian media.

More than two weeks after Moscow shocked the world by invading Ukraine, the United Nations and others said it may be committing war crimes in cities such as Mariupol, which for days has been under attack by Vladimir Putin's forces.

Survivors have been trying to flee Russian bombardment in a freezing city left without water or heating and running out of food. The situation is "desperate," a Doctors Without Borders official said.

"Hundreds of thousands of people... are for all intents and purposes besieged," Stephen Cornish, one of those heading the medical charity's Ukraine operation, told AFP in an interview.

"Sieges are a medieval practice that have been outlawed by the modern rules of war for good reason."

Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky said they were trying to arrange evacuations from besieged cities but Russian forces were disrupting efforts.

"Mariupol remains blocked by the enemy. Russian troops did not let our aid into the city and continue to torture our people, our Mariupol residents," Zelensky said in a video address late Friday.

"Tomorrow we'll try again. Once again, send food, water and medicine for our city."

As Russia widens its bombardment and talks between Moscow and Kyiv seemingly go nowhere, Zelensky's pleas for NATO to intervene have grown increasingly desperate.

US President Joe Biden on Friday again ruled out direct action against nuclear-armed Russia, warning that it would lead to "World War III".

Instead, Washington added more layers of sanctions to those already crippling Russia's economy, this time ending normal trade relations and announcing a ban on signature Russian goods vodka, seafood and diamonds.

The United States and the European Union also suspended the export of their luxury goods to Russia.

"Putin must pay the price. He cannot pursue a war that threatens the very foundation of international peace and stability and then ask for help from the international community," Biden said from the White House.

He spoke as the United Nations said 2.5 million people had now fled Ukraine and around two million more had been internally displaced by the war.

'Nobody buries them'

Yulia, a 29-year-old teacher who fled Mariupol, said her mother-in-law was still there and told them "the attacks don't stop".

"There are many corpses on the street and nobody buries them," she told AFP.

In a video address released Saturday, Zelensky appealed to Russian mothers to prevent their sons from being sent to war.

"I want to say this once again to Russian mothers, especially mothers of conscripts. Do not send your children to war in a foreign country," he said.

Zelensky said more than 12,000 Russian troops had been killed in the invasion. US estimates put the number of Russian fatalities at 2,000 to 4,000 while Moscow's only official toll, announced last week, said 498 Russian troops had been killed.

In Ukraine's second city Kharkiv, doctors at a hospital described spending two days pumping ash from the stomach of an eight-year-old child whose home was blasted by a Russian missile.

"He still has cinders in his lungs," Dima Kasyanov's doctor told AFP.

Dnipro, an industrial hub of one million inhabitants, saw its image as a relatively safe haven shattered when three missiles hit civilian buildings Friday.

Images of its charred or destroyed buildings -- including a kindergarten with windows blown out -- now join those from Kharkiv and Mariupol as testimony to the brutal conflict.

"Today, we were supposed to host people who need a lot of support," said Svetlana Kalenecheko, who lives and works in a clinic that was damaged.

"Now we can't help anyone."

The attacks on civilians prompted a new flurry of warnings from the Hague and the United Nations on Friday that Russia is committing war crimes.

"We are really heading towards an unimaginable tragedy," Cornish, of Doctors Without Borders, warned, insisting that "there is still time to avoid it, and we must see it avoided".

'Catastrophe'

Meanwhile, the Kremlin is slowly surrounding Kyiv, with Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak calling it a "city under siege".

He tweeted that it was "ready to fight", with checkpoints prepared and supply lines in place, adding: "Kyiv will stand until the end".

The Ukrainian military has said Russia is trying to take out Kyiv's defences to the north and west, where suburbs including Irpin and Bucha have already endured days of heavy bombardment.

Russian armoured vehicles are also advancing on the capital's northeast.

As the slow but steady advance continues, so has the tide of refugees.

About 100,000 people have been able to leave the northeastern city of Sumy, the eastern city of Izyum, and areas northwest of Kyiv in the past two days, Ukrainian officials said.

Zelensky warned living conditions were deteriorating fast.

"In the Sumy, Kyiv and Donetsk regions, there is no more electricity. Yes, there are problems with heating. There is no gas, no water," he said.

"It's a humanitarian catastrophe."

'Murderers from Syria'

Foreign combatants have already entered the Ukrainian conflict on both sides, and on Friday, the Kremlin ramped up efforts to bring in reinforcements, particularly from Syria.

A furious Zelensky accused Russia of hiring "murderers from Syria, a country where everything has been destroyed... like they are doing here to us".

In southern Ukraine, Russian soldiers abducted the mayor of Melitopol, which Zelensky said was a "sign of weakness" and a "crime against democracy".

The global ripple effects of the conflict continued elsewhere.

Last-minute Russian demands related to the conflict threatened to derail the near-complete process of reviving the Iranian nuclear deal Friday.

And the fighting spurred vows to bolster the European Union's defences, with EU leaders describing the invasion as a wake-up call.

"There's no denying the fact that two weeks ago we woke up in a different Europe, in a different world," European Council chief Charles Michel said.

Russia also moved Friday to block Instagram and launch a criminal case against its owner Meta, as Moscow fired back at the tech giant for allowing posts calling for violence against Russian forces.

'We will not fight'

Talks have so far made no progress towards ending the fighting.

Putin has said negotiations were being held "almost daily", but US Vice President Kamala Harris, speaking in Bucharest, said the Russian leader had shown "no sign of engaging in serious diplomacy".

At the United Nations, Western countries accused Russia of spreading "wild" conspiracy theories after Moscow's envoy told diplomats that America and Ukraine had researched using bats to conduct biological warfare.

The US envoy said Russia had made the claims as part of a "false flag effort" for using chemical weapons of its own in Ukraine.

Biden warned Russia would pay a "severe price" if it used chemical weapons.

"We will not fight a war against Russia in Ukraine," he said.

AFP
 
If Russia wanted to, they could absolutely annihalate every corner of Ukraine they have so much ammuniation. To date they haven't even used much of their newer air or land superiority (T-90S, s-400, SU-57 etc). They have blown up 90+% of Ukraine airfields and destroyed half their aircraft.

Ukraine have very little to withstand a fierce and violent bombardment in most of the country. The Russians are deliberately choosing not to use their superiority because that isn't one of their goals.

Can you believe that in the western media they are making statements like "Putin will be seething because the invasion is not going to plan". Yet they don't even know what the plan is. They seem to think the plan is for Russia to conquer Ukraine - so far from the truth.
 
Zelensky has been taught a lesson, never trust NATO. So much for his hollow pleas. The puppet ditched by his masters.
 
Zelensky has been taught a lesson, never trust NATO. So much for his hollow pleas. The puppet ditched by his masters.

Spot on. Couldn't have put it any better myself.

Who suffers at the end of the day? The civilians, especially the ones who were happy with a neutral Ukraine.
 
Spot on. Couldn't have put it any better myself.

Who suffers at the end of the day? The civilians, especially the ones who were happy with a neutral Ukraine.

Indeed.

External warmongers deciding fate of average Ukrainian family.

This is the real atrocity.
 
Zelensky has been taught a lesson, never trust NATO. So much for his hollow pleas. The puppet ditched by his masters.

Unless one is part of NATO they shouldn’t trust NATO, this has been the reason given by Indian think tank for last 20 years to still be on Russia’s side and this would never change because NATO abandons non-NATO countries more often than not.
 
Putin holds 75-minute call with Macron and Scholz about how 'to end war in Ukraine'

In recent minutes, a couple of intriguing and potentially significant pieces of news have emerged around geopolitical efforts to bring the conflict in Ukraine to a halt.

While French president Emmanuel Macron has been speaking to the Russian leader almost every other day in recent weeks, the pair were joined in a 75-minute phone call today by German Chancellor Olaf Scholz.

A German government spokesperson said the conversation was "part of ongoing international efforts to end the war in Ukraine" - interestingly adding that the three men agreed to say nothing further about the substance of the phone call.

Perhaps also significantly, it emerged Mr Scholz had earlier spoken to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy about the situation.

In a separate statement, the Kremlin said Mr Putin told the pair about the state of negotiations between Moscow and Kyiv and responded to their concerns about the humanitarian situation.

The Kremlin did not elaborate on the Russian leader's comments about the state of talks, but, as reported here at the time, he said yesterday that there had been "certain positive shifts" in the negotiations.

While it is impossible to accurately gauge exactly how meaningful these latest developments might be, the nature of the various statements will foster renewed hopes that key figures may be making progress in efforts to find a diplomatic resolution that could end the conflict.
 
— Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky tells a news conference that 1,300 Ukrainian troops have died in the conflict so far.

— He says that around 500-600 Russian troops surrendered to Ukrainian forces on Friday, but the BBC cannot verify his claims
 
— Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky tells a news conference that 1,300 Ukrainian troops have died in the conflict so far.

— He says that around 500-600 Russian troops surrendered to Ukrainian forces on Friday, but the BBC cannot verify his claims
Cannot trust any Vladmir
 
Kadyrov is actually painted as a great Muslim ruler.......
In Bengali FB pages there are images circulating of bearded Chechens praying and fighting in ukraine with the message that Russia is fighting for Islam........

There was a post which had Putin falsely voiced as saying he doesnt care about Ukraibe because no one cared about Palestine. It got tens of thousands of likes and adoring comments from gullible Bangladeshis

The thread is about the invasion of Ukraine. If you want to whinge about Bangladeshis support of Chechens do it somewhere else.
 
If Russia wanted to, they could absolutely annihalate every corner of Ukraine they have so much ammuniation. To date they haven't even used much of their newer air or land superiority (T-90S, s-400, SU-57 etc). They have blown up 90+% of Ukraine airfields and destroyed half their aircraft.

Ukraine have very little to withstand a fierce and violent bombardment in most of the country. The Russians are deliberately choosing not to use their superiority because that isn't one of their goals.

And your point being?
Whenever a strong army attacks a weak country, we hear such claims from the stronger side, i,.e. "we could have destroyed the other country and killed them all but we didnt"

But it proves nothing
 
thats absolute fracking nonsense. if you dont have the decency to recognize that there is considerable support for the plight of the Kashmiris, both in India and elsewhere then you ought to be comfortable with the label that since one muslim committed an act of violence, all muslims such as yourself should be labeled as terrorists. if you dont have the decency to separate one person from another, with what audacity do you expect the same courtesy be extended to you?

did all american support the war in iraq? no. not even a majority, except for a brief period when the fog of war and the misinformation clouded judgement. people who once supported the war, understood the folly of their choice and modified their opinion.

I for one supported US intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan, not because of some implied threat from WMDs but because I foolishly hoped that their despotic rulers would be replaced with democratic powers. In Iraq that has been marginally successful but at a significant human cost, costs that could have been mitigated had the US approach not been so heavy handed. In afghanistan, that was an abject failure and at a very very steep human cost. And now like many americans, we are trying to make amends.

Like many Germans, French, Brits, Swedes etc, countries all of whom have accepted millions of refugees and asylum seekers.

Notice how America has learnt from its mistakes, in some degrees as well, and is not supportive of the Saudi campaign in Yemen. If anything it is resulting in significant strain to the Saudi - American diplomatic relationship. Not to mention, there is the very strong possibility that if MbS were to set foot in the united states, a warrant for his arrest may be issued due to his involvement in the killing of Khashogi.

If you paint everyone with a broad paintbrush, dont get your panties in a twist when you are subjected to the same treatment.

The war in Ukraine is most similar to the Iraq war. A war done on trumped up charges. When the white Ukrainian's were invaded Russia was placed under sanctions, banned from FIFA, most international companies have left Russia, etc.

When Iraq was invaded so many white countries such as US, UK, Portugal, Spain, Poland, Italy, Ukraine, etc took part. Did anyone sanction them? Were they banned from FIFA? Did MNC's boycott them? One million Iraqis died because of that war.

And since you mentioned Kashmir, guess what almost no country at the govt level supports them except Pakistan. Their is no meaningful support. Other countries would rather do business with India then support Kashmiri's, which is fine, they have to do what's best for them. So the same way what's best for Pakistan is to ignore the suffering of Ukraine, and do what's best for Pakistan, which is to buy wheat and gas from Russia.


Notice how America has learnt from its mistakes, in some degrees as well, and is not supportive of the Saudi campaign in Yemen. If anything it is resulting in significant strain to the Saudi - American diplomatic relationship. Not to mention, there is the very strong possibility that if MbS were to set foot in the united states, a warrant for his arrest may be issued due to his involvement in the killing of Khashogi.

If you paint everyone with a broad paintbrush, dont get your panties in a twist when you are subjected to the same treatment.

Right they learned from Iraq, and then Libya was invaded for a "humanitarian interention". They sell weapons to Saudis who are butchering the Yemeni's. And lets not even get started on Israel/Palestine.
 
If Russia wanted to, they could absolutely annihalate every corner of Ukraine they have so much ammuniation. To date they haven't even used much of their newer air or land superiority (T-90S, s-400, SU-57 etc). They have blown up 90+% of Ukraine airfields and destroyed half their aircraft.

Ukraine have very little to withstand a fierce and violent bombardment in most of the country. The Russians are deliberately choosing not to use their superiority because that isn't one of their goals.

Can you believe that in the western media they are making statements like "Putin will be seething because the invasion is not going to plan". Yet they don't even know what the plan is. They seem to think the plan is for Russia to conquer Ukraine - so far from the truth.

This is not out of benevolence. They want Ukraine intact so they will not have to rebuild once they annex it. From what it looks like they will take all land east of the Dnieper river as well as the coastal area west of the river.
 
The fault starts with us, as in Muslims or easterners. In most issues you mentioned the Muslim world is divided, unlike this war where every single western country is on the same pro Ukraine page

Of course the west is hypocritical
But lets look at the countries mentioned

Libya: Half the Arab world cheered Gaddafi's fall, including Saudi citizens (not just rulers). Turkey supported the regime change as well

Yemen: The west is supporting from the back, the main killings are done by Saudi coalition and Houthis on the other side

Kashmir: It is hard to blame the west for hypocrisy here when hardly any Muslim country advocates their cause except Pakistan of course, and Turkey.

Syria: The violence in Syria started with Assad and his Russian and Iranian mercenaries. They flattened entire areas to win their "War"

Burma: Guess what, Russia was one of the few countries to support the regime in their massacre of Rohingyas . But still some Bengalis I know go on an anti American rant on how America was responsible for Myanmar killing Rohingyas

Even if the Muslim or eastern world was united western countries would not boycott any country if it was no in their interest. For example until recently the bulk of Muslim world wanted Israel to be boycotted. Did western countries do that? Nope, because its not in their interests.

Also Their are other conflicts like Congo, where millions are dead. Do you think they will care the same for Congo as they would Ukraine? That was my main point that Europeans will care more about other Europeans. And thats ok.

BTW you did not mention Iraq. That was the most similar war to Ukraine. Look at the reaction to Ukraine. Russia is sanctioned, international companies leaving Russia, FIFA bans Russia, etc. And them compare it to Iraq war. So many western countries took part in that. No one sanctioned them, other countries still did business with them. They were allowed to participate in sporting events.


So the same way rest of the world should not sacrifice their national interests for the Ukrainian people. For example Pakistan needs wheat, and gas from Russia. Pakistan should buy it and not have to boycott Russia because Ukraine is suffering.
 
The Russian military has shelled a mosque sheltering more than 80 people in the city of Mariupol, Ukraine's government has said.

"The mosque of Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent and his wife Roxolana (Hurrem Sultan) in Mariupol was shelled by Russian invaders," it said in a tweet.
"More than 80 adults and children are hiding there from the shelling, including citizens of Turkey."

It did not say if there were any people killed or wounded.

The Ukrainian Embassy in Turkey said a group of 86 Turkish nationals, including 34 children, were among the people who had sought safety in the mosque.

Russia blames Ukraine for the failure to evacuate people.

Meanwhile, Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelenskyy also accused Russia of kidnapping the mayor of Melitopol, a port city in the south of Ukraine.

He described the abduction "a new stage of terror".

US officials had warned before the invasion of Russian plans to detain and kill targeted people in Ukraine.
Mr Zelenskyy himself is believed to be on that list.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-russia-news-putin-nuclear-live-updates-kyiv-12541713
 
The war in Ukraine is most similar to the Iraq war. A war done on trumped up charges. When the white Ukrainian's were invaded Russia was placed under sanctions, banned from FIFA, most international companies have left Russia, etc.

When Iraq was invaded so many white countries such as US, UK, Portugal, Spain, Poland, Italy, Ukraine, etc took part. Did anyone sanction them? Were they banned from FIFA? Did MNC's boycott them? One million Iraqis died because of that war.

And since you mentioned Kashmir, guess what almost no country at the govt level supports them except Pakistan. Their is no meaningful support. Other countries would rather do business with India then support Kashmiri's, which is fine, they have to do what's best for them. So the same way what's best for Pakistan is to ignore the suffering of Ukraine, and do what's best for Pakistan, which is to buy wheat and gas from Russia.




Right they learned from Iraq, and then Libya was invaded for a "humanitarian interention". They sell weapons to Saudis who are butchering the Yemeni's. And lets not even get started on Israel/Palestine.
No. Not anymore.
 
At least 35 people killed and 134 injured in Russian missile attack on military training base in western Ukraine, Lviv regional governor says
 
And your point being?
Whenever a strong army attacks a weak country, we hear such claims from the stronger side, i,.e. "we could have destroyed the other country and killed them all but we didnt"

But it proves nothing

It proves that they are showing incredible restraint. They have been too nice and as a result have suffered many more losses for their army than they need to have. The attitude is changing as you can see. The bombing is now more violent and widespread.
 
At least 35 people killed and 134 injured in Russian missile attack on military training base in western Ukraine, Lviv regional governor says

Geographically this base is located very close to the western borders. Could it be that these bases were being used to transition the weapons being supplied by the west? Could it be that this base was being used to mobilise some units? At least the MSM in the west can't really twist this one too much. This was a military base that was targeted and not a civilian building used as a hiding spot by defending armies.
 
Russian citizen now have option to convert their saving to Yuan at 8% yield.

The USD and Swift sanctions have ushered in the death of the USD.
 
A US journalist was shot dead and another wounded on Sunday in Irpin, a frontline northwest suburb of Kyiv, medics and witnesses told AFP.

Danylo Shapovalov, a surgeon volunteering for the Ukrainian territorial defence, said Brett Renaud died instantly and he had treated the other.

AFP reporters in Irpin saw the body of the victim.

Renaud was wearing a New York Times press badge. However, he was not an assignment with the newspaper.

“The Times “is deeply saddened to learn of the death of an American journalist in Ukraine, Brent Renaud,” depity managing editor Cliff Levy said. “Brent was a talented photographer and filmmaker, but he was not on assignment for @nytimes in Ukraine.”
 
Pope Francis has called on Vladimir Putin to stop the "massacre" in Ukraine, warning cities risk being "reduced to cemeteries".

He said that "this unacceptable armed aggression" against Ukraine must stop.

Speaking to thousands of people in St Peter's Square for his Sunday blessing, the pontiff described Russian strikes on children's hospitals and civilians as "barbaric" and said they have no "valid strategic reason".

He said Mariupol - the southern Ukrainian city which "bears the name" of the Virgin Mary - had "become a city martyred by the heartbreaking war".

"In the name of God, I ask: 'Stop this massacre.'"

He prayed for an end of the bombings and other attacks and for ensuring that humanitarian corridors "are safe and secure".
 
NATO will respond 'with full force' if Russia attacks its territory, US warns

US national security adviser Jake Sullivan has warned that if Russia "takes a shot on" NATO territory, the bloc would respond with its "full force".

Mr Sullivan said it would trigger NATO's Article 5, which says an attack on one NATO ally would be considered an attack on all allies.

"If there is a military attack on NATO territory it would cause the invocation of Article 5, and we would bring the full force of the NATO alliance to bear in responding to it," he told CBS.

"All I will say is that if Russia attacks, fires upon, takes a shot at NATO territory, the NATO alliance would respond to that".

It comes just hours after Russian forces fired 30 missiles on a base that was used by NATO just 15 miles from the Polish border - and NATO territory.

He also said the US was warning Russia directly against using chemical weapons, adding that if Vladimir Putin did deploy weapons of mass destruction, it would be a "shocking additional line" that he had crossed in international law.
 
Putin's 'barbaric actions testing all of humanity', PM says

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson spoke to Ukrainian President Zelenskyy this afternoon.

A spokesman for the PM said: "(Mr Johnson) commended the president and the Ukrainian people on their fortitude.

"The prime minister said Putin’s barbaric actions were testing not just Ukraine but all of humanity.

"The leaders condemned the murders of Brent Reynaud and countless innocent Ukrainians, and the abduction of the mayors of Dniprorudne and Melitopol.

"The prime minister outlined the support the UK continues to deliver to Ukraine.

"He said the UK would continue to pursue more options for bolstering Ukraine’s self-defence, working with partners including at Tuesday’s meeting of the Joint Expeditionary Force in London.

"The prime minister said the UK would continue to stand behind Ukraine in all their efforts to bring an end to this disastrous conflict."
 
Ukraine war: 'Sky turned red' as missiles hit Lviv military base

Witnesses to a deadly Russian attack on a Ukrainian military base have told how "the sky turned red" as missiles struck the site near the Polish border.

At least 35 people died in the strike on the Yavoriv training base, near a major crossing point into Poland used by refugees from the conflict.

Russia fired around 30 cruise missiles at the base, outside the city of Lviv, early Sunday, the local governor said.

Hours after the attack, ambulances were still rushing to the scene.

Roads leading to the facility were blocked with checkpoints and authorities were conducting search-and-rescue operations.

Russian jets fired around 30 cruise missiles at the site, also known as the International Peacekeeping and Security Center, authorities in Lviv said. Most, though, were intercepted by the air defence system.

Video of the aftermath of the attack posted online and verified by the BBC showed a huge crater at the site and thick smoke billowing from a massive fire at a small building nearby.

Dukhnych Vitalii, a 19-year-old student who lives in a nearby apartment complex, said "the night sky turned red" as the attack happened. "We can't hear the air raid sirens in this area. We woke up when we heard the sound of the first explosion. We went to the bunker," he said. "It looked scary."

His 25-year-old cousin was training at the facility, Mr Vitalii said, and his family were still trying to contact him.

Another resident, Nadin Berezovska, said she could see the fire from her parents' flat, where she had been living after fleeing the country's capital, Kyiv. "It was very scary. We're in shock," Ms Berezovska, a 39-year-old photographer, said.

"Now we realise that it doesn't matter where you live," she said. "We aren't safe. How can Poland be safe?"

The base has previously been used for military training of Ukrainian troops, often with instructors from the US and other Nato countries. It was not immediately clear whether foreign instructors were at the centre when it was hit.

Another resident, Nadin Berezovska, said she could see the fire from her parents' flat, where she had been living after fleeing the country's capital, Kyiv. "It was very scary. We're in shock," Ms Berezovska, a 39-year-old photographer, said.

"Now we realise that it doesn't matter where you live," she said. "We aren't safe. How can Poland be safe?"

The base has previously been used for military training of Ukrainian troops, often with instructors from the US and other Nato countries. It was not immediately clear whether foreign instructors were at the centre when it was hit.

The attack is significant because the base, one of Ukraine's largest military facilities, is located just 25km (15 miles) from Poland, a Nato member. The border with Poland is a vital route for refugees, but also for weapons being sent by countries in the military alliance - which have included anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles.

It is also the first major attack in western Ukraine since Russia launched its invasion of the country, on 24 February. The region has become a hub for millions of people escaping the war in other areas, and around 2.6 million have left Ukraine so far.

"We're very scared," Yurii Vitiv, a 50-year-old driver, said. "Until this morning we had hoped that the war would stop on eastern Ukraine."

Hours earlier, Sergei Ryabkov, the Russian deputy foreign minister, said Moscow had warned the US that "pumping weapons from a number of countries it orchestrates isn't just a dangerous move, it's an action that makes those convoys legitimate targets".

Despite sending weapons, Nato has, so far, ruled out a request by Ukraine's government to establish a no-fly zone over the country, saying this would trigger a wider conflict with Russia.

But Andriy Sadovyy, the mayor of Lviv, said such a measure was necessary to prevent Russia from carrying our aerial strikes.

"Europeans, understand this situation: it's easy to talk and drink coffee and say they're deeply concerned... but every hour the skies are not closed, the Russians are killing civilians and children," he told the BBC in an interview.

"We need closed sky. We need decision today. We need bullet-proof vests today, not tomorrow. Tomorrow Russian missiles [will] end up in the European Union."

Ms Berezovska, the photographer, agreed. "In Ukraine, there's no place to hide," she said. "We ask Nato to close the sky."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60728208
 
Russia have almost destroyed all military installations of Ukraine.

Zelensky should stop being a puppet of Nato, make a deal for a ceasefire. Ukraine cannot win this conflict.
 
Russia have almost destroyed all military installations of Ukraine.

Zelensky should stop being a puppet of Nato, make a deal for a ceasefire. Ukraine cannot win this conflict.

Ukraine lost the day Russia decided to invade, for whatever 'leadership' that remains in their country its a question of ensuring that Russia doesn't see victory.
 
Every invader blames the victim for the violence

Just like USA said Afghanistan started the violence by refusing to give up OBL
Or USA saying Saddam started the violence by refusing to give up power (which was the initial demand)

Blaming Ukraine for the invasion falls under the same skewed way of thinking

Totally agree and it’s so absurd seeing people blame the Ukrainians for this totally unjustified invasion and illegal war being thrusted upon them.
 
Russia have almost destroyed all military installations of Ukraine.

Zelensky should stop being a puppet of Nato, make a deal for a ceasefire. Ukraine cannot win this conflict.

Dude the Russian invasion so far has been nothing short of a disaster for them giving how much superior the Russian millitary is compared to the Ukrainian forces. It was supposed to be a cakewalk for them but it has been the opposite.

They can’t even take Mariupol in the Far East of the country so they are just shelling and destroying apartment blocks and killing thousands of civilians.

They can’t even encircle Kyiv because their supply trucks keep getting ambushed and destroyed.

Russia made a big miscalculation because they thought Zelensky was going to cut and run, then they could install a puppet government and leave. Zelensky didn’t leave and hes not going to surrender giving how he’s got his nation together to fight the invaders.

I would say the opposite - Russia can not win this conflict because the vast majority of Ukrainians don’t want a foreign occupier in their country.
 
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Dude the Russian invasion so far has been nothing short of a disaster for them giving how much superior the Russian military is compared to the Ukrainian forces. It was supposed to be a cakewalk for them but it has been the opposite.

They can’t even take Mariupol in the Far East of the country so they are just shelling and destroying apartment blocks and killing thousands of civilians.

They can’t even encircle Kyiv because their supply trucks keep getting ambushed and destroyed.

Russia made a big miscalculation because they thought Zelensky was going to cut and run, then they could install a puppet government and leave. Zelensky didn’t leave and he’s not going to surrender giving how he’s got his nation together to fight the invaders.

I would say the opposite - Russia can not win this conflict because the vast majority of Ukrainians don’t want a foreign occupier in their country.

Let me shred this post one by one.
Dude the Russian invasion so far has been nothing short of a disaster
I am looking at the UK MoD map and it looks to me like they’ve taken most of the east and southern border and at places they are 100miles in. They have conquered a geographical region the size of England and Wales in 3 week. Go through history and find many more successful campaigns than this where they have actively tried to reduce civilian casualties.
superior the Russian military is compared to the Ukrainian forces.
The Ukrainians are at home, this is their territory and they are hiding behind civilians. Military might counts for little when one of your objectives is to reduce civilian casualties.
It was supposed to be a cakewalk for them but it has been the opposite.
Who said it was supposed to be a cakewalk? Please quote some sources if you can. Have you seen the size of Ukraine? Russia has deployed approximately 190k units. That 3 football stadium worth of troops to conduct this operation to the east of the Dnieper river, that’s about 300k sq km. Do you grasp how big that area is and why anyone who said it was supposed to be a “cakewalk” is a joke.

They can’t even take Mariupol in the Far East of the country so they are just shelling and destroying apartment blocks and killing thousands of civilians.
Mariupol is to the South, perhaps you could say South-East and they have surrounded it. Very difficult to quickly take a city with a population of 400k when the Ukrainian forces are hiding in civilian buildings. Going door to door is time consuming and risky, that is why surrounding them and cutting off supplies is the way to go. Do you even understand urban warfare slightly?

They can’t even encircle Kyiv because their supply trucks keep getting ambushed and destroyed.

The perimeter of Kyiv is approx. 50 miles long. You make it sound like they’re failing to encircle Central Park. This is a city of 3 million (granted half have evacuated) so unless you have about 5 times more forces, surrounding the city will be a challenge. Kyiv is also a city with lots of rivers/tributaries and the Ukrainians are blowing up bridges. To negate these issues takes time and re-mobilising.

Ukrainians have taken out many trucks and tanks, but the Russians have plenty more to come. The Ukrainians are losing many of their vehicles too. However because they are retreating into the cities it’s difficult for the Russians to level those numbers up.
Russia made a big miscalculation because they thought Zelensky was going to cut and run, then they could install a puppet government and leave. Zelensky didn’t leave and hes not going to surrender giving how he’s got his nation together to fight the invaders.
Zelensky is a puppet and his country is fighting a proxy war. He is not a brave hero fighting for his country, he’s a fool who thought the west would step in and help them out. They have left him high and dry and now he’s getting thousands of civilians killed and much of their infrastructure pummelled. Either he carries on like this or he surrenders and reduces casualties and infrastructure damage.

I would say the opposite - Russia can not win this conflict because the vast majority of Ukrainians don’t want a foreign occupier in their country.
Do you even know what a win is for Russia? Do you even know what their political objectives of this invasion are or are you one of those who is following the western narrative who say Putin wants to conquer of Ukraine then Georgia and one by one restore the Soviet Union?

Putin has a few objectives and they are not that demanding (in the grand scheme of things). 1. Officially join Crimea to Russia. 2. Independence for Donbas. 3. A regime change in Ukraine to…4. Ensure Ukraine’s neutrality.
 
Let me shred this post one by one.

I am looking at the UK MoD map and it looks to me like they’ve taken most of the east and southern border and at places they are 100miles in. They have conquered a geographical region the size of England and Wales in 3 week. Go through history and find many more successful campaigns than this where they have actively tried to reduce civilian casualties.

The Ukrainians are at home, this is their territory and they are hiding behind civilians. Military might counts for little when one of your objectives is to reduce civilian casualties.

Who said it was supposed to be a cakewalk? Please quote some sources if you can. Have you seen the size of Ukraine? Russia has deployed approximately 190k units. That 3 football stadium worth of troops to conduct this operation to the east of the Dnieper river, that’s about 300k sq km. Do you grasp how big that area is and why anyone who said it was supposed to be a “cakewalk” is a joke.


Mariupol is to the South, perhaps you could say South-East and they have surrounded it. Very difficult to quickly take a city with a population of 400k when the Ukrainian forces are hiding in civilian buildings. Going door to door is time consuming and risky, that is why surrounding them and cutting off supplies is the way to go. Do you even understand urban warfare slightly?



The perimeter of Kyiv is approx. 50 miles long. You make it sound like they’re failing to encircle Central Park. This is a city of 3 million (granted half have evacuated) so unless you have about 5 times more forces, surrounding the city will be a challenge. Kyiv is also a city with lots of rivers/tributaries and the Ukrainians are blowing up bridges. To negate these issues takes time and re-mobilising.

Ukrainians have taken out many trucks and tanks, but the Russians have plenty more to come. The Ukrainians are losing many of their vehicles too. However because they are retreating into the cities it’s difficult for the Russians to level those numbers up.

Zelensky is a puppet and his country is fighting a proxy war. He is not a brave hero fighting for his country, he’s a fool who thought the west would step in and help them out. They have left him high and dry and now he’s getting thousands of civilians killed and much of their infrastructure pummelled. Either he carries on like this or he surrenders and reduces casualties and infrastructure damage.


Do you even know what a win is for Russia? Do you even know what their political objectives of this invasion are or are you one of those who is following the western narrative who say Putin wants to conquer of Ukraine then Georgia and one by one restore the Soviet Union?

Putin has a few objectives and they are not that demanding (in the grand scheme of things). 1. Officially join Crimea to Russia. 2. Independence for Donbas. 3. A regime change in Ukraine to…4. Ensure Ukraine’s neutrality.

Damn, imagine doing this much free propaganda for a blood thirsty tyrant like Putin when it’s obvious even he can’t defend his totally failed strategy that has been nothing but a catastrophe in every way you can look at it.

Russia is not going to win because the Ukrainians will never accept it and I will keep bumping your post in the coming days and weeks to notify you how wrong your absurd analysis is.
 
Damn, imagine doing this much free propaganda for a blood thirsty tyrant like Putin when it’s obvious even he can’t defend his totally failed strategy that has been nothing but a catastrophe in every way you can look at it.

There is no propaganda in my post. As you’ll see I have posted a lot of stats and facts whereas you are posting opinions without any solid backing.

You talk about a failed strategy based on what? Some hours playing Call of Duty with your friends? Ukraine is a large country geographically. Logistics and supply lines for something like this are always going to be your biggest challenge. If you think this is a catastrophe when the Ukrainians are cornered in the East and South then you have no idea about warfare.
The Russians have failed in one area, their inability to maintain their supply lines. If they had done this their progress would have been more swift.
Russia is not going to win because the Ukrainians will never accept it and I will keep bumping your post in the coming days and weeks to notify you how wrong your absurd analysis is.
What is a win/loss? This is not a football match. This a military invasion with specific political goals. If those political goals are met, the war is won, if they are not then the war is lost.
You say my analysis is absurd yet here you are making statements which are not backed by facts.
 
Damn, imagine doing this much free propaganda for a blood thirsty tyrant like Putin when it’s obvious even he can’t defend his totally failed strategy that has been nothing but a catastrophe in every way you can look at it.

Russia is not going to win because the Ukrainians will never accept it and I will keep bumping your post in the coming days and weeks to notify you how wrong your absurd analysis is.

Easy for you to say that, sitting at home sipping a cup of tea, like most western spectators cheering on little Ukraine against the Russian monster. Unfortunately it's Ukranians on the ground who are going to get blown to pieces. Ukraine not giving up just means more of their people dying or fleeing for their lives.

Proxy wars are great for those like us on the sidelines watching it like a movie show with a bag of popcorn, I doubt it's much fun for ordinary Ukrainians. Their leader Zelensky sounds like a useful idiot for the western powers, he's probably giving all these war updates from his luxury bunker in San Francisco.
 
Russian citizen now have option to convert their saving to Yuan at 8% yield.

The USD and Swift sanctions have ushered in the death of the USD.

wait, weren't you cheering for Donald Trump to make USD and AMerica strong again? or was that supporting America's downfall in hindsight
 
wait, weren't you cheering for Donald Trump to make USD and AMerica strong again? or was that supporting America's downfall in hindsight

One has nothing to do with the other.

Anyway, why are you in such a tight spot cos the USD is about to become toast? Got your Jam and Marmalade ready?
 
There is no propaganda in my post. As you’ll see I have posted a lot of stats and facts whereas you are posting opinions without any solid backing.

You talk about a failed strategy based on what? Some hours playing Call of Duty with your friends? Ukraine is a large country geographically. Logistics and supply lines for something like this are always going to be your biggest challenge. If you think this is a catastrophe when the Ukrainians are cornered in the East and South then you have no idea about warfare.
The Russians have failed in one area, their inability to maintain their supply lines. If they had done this their progress would have been more swift.

What is a win/loss? This is not a football match. This a military invasion with specific political goals. If those political goals are met, the war is won, if they are not then the war is lost.
You say my analysis is absurd yet here you are making statements which are not backed by facts.

Exactly. We have no real idea what their military goals were before the start. But looking at things now they're becoming clearer.

Now I'll be honest I thought they would have moved swiftly to get to the river and cut off Ukrainian units but they have made slower progress than I expected only because I thought they would go in very hard. They didn't. They sent in smaller units and secured key roads and points. They took out some key Ukrainian units and command and control structures..finally they took the sky.

There are massive Ukrainian units that are almost surrounded on the east and will be destroyed in the coming days and weeks. Theybarenunable to control the skies. Their command at the highest level is dead. They ** till have comms at battalion level or lower but can't Co ordinate at the strategic level. The Ukrainian army is all but destroyed as a cohesive fighting force. They will now fight in small units and in local areas.

The Russians have the luxury of repairing and reconstituting their supply lines and they are doing this.

The country is almost landlocked and once they take Mariuopol they will consolidate and then turn to Odessa which will be a fight and a half. Once Odessa falls Ukraines access to the sea is done. Already their navy is finished. They have no air force no navy.

But what then? Putin will be looking for:

a) Ukrainian neutrality. Zelensky is willing to talk about this

b) demilitisation. The Russians are forcing this on them by bombing their industry

c) independence for the break away republics. They will force this too unless Zelensky can negotiate something.

d) a link from crimea to the break away republics and thus Russia.. this has been almost achieved.

Zelensky should negotiate now while he can and cone out a hero before its too late. The Russians are still holding back even after all the destruction.
 
One has nothing to do with the other.

Anyway, why are you in such a tight spot cos the USD is about to become toast? Got your Jam and Marmalade ready?

but during usa election you yourself stated you are supporting Trump for stronger america and dollar and in this thread you are clapping for possible us dollar demise.

intent matters. I think you were only cheering for trump for a weaker america and nothing more. and it shows in your statements regarding this conflict
 
they haven't cut the sea route even if they don't take mariupol or odessa they need to cut the sea route and lock the cities under seige no need to enter, a blockade is more than enough

They need to destroy ukranian airforce and air defences ukraine still has mobile Sam's and aircraft , that shows russian airpower and precision strikes are poor when compared to usa .

As for the cities the best policy is cut them off and do a seige that will force a surrender trying to enter into urban warfare will cost lives and equipment for the russians.

Going into kiev will be a mistake surrounding it in a seige with all roads blocked no food entering or nothing will cause a surrender its a medieval middle age tactic that can work.

If russians enter kiev they will lose big time through brutal guerilla attacks losses will be high just need to look at them trying to secure the perimeters how much they have lost in outlying settlements
 
but during usa election you yourself stated you are supporting Trump for stronger america and dollar and in this thread you are clapping for possible us dollar demise.

intent matters. I think you were only cheering for trump for a weaker america and nothing more. and it shows in your statements regarding this conflict

Pure lies. Please cite where I was rooting for a stronger USD.

Yet in your second para you claim I was cheering for Trump for a weaker USA?

Make your mind up.
 
Dude the Russian invasion so far has been nothing short of a disaster for them giving how much superior the Russian millitary is compared to the Ukrainian forces. It was supposed to be a cakewalk for them but it has been the opposite.

They can’t even take Mariupol in the Far East of the country so they are just shelling and destroying apartment blocks and killing thousands of civilians.

They can’t even encircle Kyiv because their supply trucks keep getting ambushed and destroyed.

Russia made a big miscalculation because they thought Zelensky was going to cut and run, then they could install a puppet government and leave. Zelensky didn’t leave and hes not going to surrender giving how he’s got his nation together to fight the invaders.

I would say the opposite - Russia can not win this conflict because the vast majority of Ukrainians don’t want a foreign occupier in their country.

Too much BBC and CNN bro.

Russia has already won this conflict, the Ukrainians have accepted they cannot join Nato or Russia will destroy them before it takes place.

Russia has a strategy. ITs not Nato which destroyed Iraq, Libya because it can then move on and destroy some other nation. Almost half of Ukraine in the East are Russian speakers, supporters of Russia. Ukraine must stay intact, so they can use the land in future for economic projects such as new pipelines etc.

MSM in the west is even a worse liar than Pinocchio . They are using all sorts of made up stories, actors and using emotional blackmail to influence their viewers.

Lets remember, MOST of the world doesnt hate Russia or Putin. The western nations only make up around 1 billion people, the world population is nearly 7 billion.
 
Easy for you to say that, sitting at home sipping a cup of tea, like most western spectators cheering on little Ukraine against the Russian monster. Unfortunately it's Ukranians on the ground who are going to get blown to pieces. Ukraine not giving up just means more of their people dying or fleeing for their lives.

Proxy wars are great for those like us on the sidelines watching it like a movie show with a bag of popcorn, I doubt it's much fun for ordinary Ukrainians. Their leader Zelensky sounds like a useful idiot for the western powers, he's probably giving all these war updates from his luxury bunker in San Francisco.

Easy for you to tell Ukrainians should lay flat on the floor while Russian tanks are bombarding and shelling Ukraine in every direction. That’s their country and their future on the line while it maybe just a sport to you in cosy England.

No country would accept an illegal invasion. Did you accept Iraq getting illegally invaded in 2003 by America ? Of course you didn’t. Would you accept india slicing off and anexing Kashmir ? Of course you won’t.
So why should Ukrainians do the same ?

Putin shouldn’t be given any blind support. He is a war criminal that bombed Chechnya and specifically Grozny to the ground. He along with Assad launched chemical attacks on Aleppo that some seem to have forgotten.

As for Zelensky he was elected by Ukrainians in legitimately held presidential elections in 2019. He wasn’t a greasy western puppet politician actually but a comedian that came out of nowhere as Ukrainians wanted real change in their country.
They elected him as they don’t want to be part of the old soviet empire anymore. Putin just can’t fathom and accept this reality.
The Israeli PM told Zelensky the same thing as you are suggesting - surrender. He rightfully told him to buzz off and tell the Russians to leave their country first.

Putin started this war illegally and he wanted to install a puppet government in 3 days that’s why he sent young Russian conscripts to their deaths - that’s how delusional he was. He’s surrounded by yes men and doesn’t know or doesn’t care about the reality in Ukraine that they will never accept Russian occupation.
 
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Easy for you to tell Ukrainians should lay flat on the floor while Russian tanks are bombarding and shelling Ukraine in every direction. That’s their country and their future on the line while it maybe just a sport to you in cosy England.

No country would accept an illegal invasion. Did you accept Iraq getting illegally invaded in 2003 by America ? Of course you didn’t. Would you accept india slicing off and anexing Kashmir ? Of course you won’t.
So why should Ukrainians do the same ?

Putin shouldn’t be given any blind support. He is a war criminal that bombed Chechnya and specifically Grozny to the ground. He along with Assad launched chemical attacks on Aleppo that some seem to have forgotten.

As for Zelensky he was elected by Ukrainians in legitimately held presidential elections in 2019. He wasn’t a greasy western puppet politician actually but a comedian that came out of nowhere as Ukrainians wanted real change in their country.
They elected him as they don’t want to be part of the old soviet empire anymore. Putin just can’t fathom and accept this reality.
The Israeli PM told Zelensky the same thing as you are suggesting - surrender. He rightfully told him to buzz off and tell the Russians to leave their country first.

Putin started this war illegally and he wanted to install a puppet government in 3 days that’s why he sent young Russian conscripts to their deaths - that’s how delusional he was. He’s surrounded by yes men and doesn’t know or doesn’t care about the reality in Ukraine that they will never accept Russian occupation.

Zelensky is already hinting that Ukraine may no longer require to be part of NATO. Hopefully that is a sign that hostilities can wind down and some compromise reached with Russia. But it won't bring back all those people who have died, or repair the devastation to Ukranian cities. But hey, for some people who aren't on the receiving end, it's nice to wave a flag from thousands of miles away.
 
So are you admitting you were rooting for Trump and a weaker dollar ?

No evidence to back your fallicious claims then? Go try you feeble reverse psychology with some one else.

I am not playing to your lefty futile logic. You made the claim now back it up. What's stopping you?

As I have said supporting Trump has nothing to do with the strength of a USD. Come back with a better line, and factual line, of argument.

Now go take the knee.

TRUMP 2024.

PS. If Trump was in power, Putin would never have invaded Ukraine. :)
 
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If Trump was in power, Putin would never have invaded Ukraine. :)

I agree with this.

It’s not even about support (or not) for Trump, but simply recognising the facts of America’s standing in the world now compared with a few years ago.

America has gone from the most dominant nation in the world in every way, to being militarily embarrassed by Russia and on the verge of being usurped in globally sensitive influence by China.

I’ve heard the opinion that Donald Trump turned the US into a spineless clown show, but I don’t think this is true.

Trump was/is an interesting character and his foreign policy was quite shrewd. He was on civil terms with Putin for starters, and he was trying to forge a different sort of relationship between the US and Russia. (and, between the US and its geopolitical proxy rival state North Korea as well.)

The minutiae of social media “liberals”, who are so utterly and nauseatingly convinced of their own intelligence and righteousness and think they represent wider public opinion in everything that they say and do, would have you believe the opposite; but in reality, most everyday people respected Trump as a fiscally competent President of a reasonably robust and stable United States of America.

It’s Joe Biden who has turned the US into a comedy act.

The manner of his election win for starters was somewhat dubious, and Biden is a far weaker man than Obama, Bush Jr, even Carter.

He’s the poorest POTUS of all time and nobody is taking him seriously. Putin clearly considers him to be indecisive, laughable, and lacking in sharpness. Other world leaders are even starting to decline Grandpa Joe’s phone calls.

Trump will be back in the chair soon enough IMO.
 
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The Azov Battalion: Extremists defending Mariupol

Wow. I didn't expect an article like this from DW.

This article is a must read for certain PP posters to understand what's been really going on in Ukraine for past decade.

Part of the Ukrainian fighters defending Mariupol is the controversial Azov Battalion, a right-wing group with ties to extremists across Euorpe.

(Lol, in other words they are neo Nazis)

A short video doing the rounds on the internet shows a screen in what is presumably a Ukrainian military vehicle crossing a village in the area of Mariupol. In a side street, there are armored vehicles, on which a white letter "Z" is visible, the sign of Russian troops in Ukraine. Shots are heard and what is apparently a Russian vehicle opens fire.

The notorious so-called Azov Battalion, also known as the Azov Regiment, posted this video earlier this week on its Telegram channel. It announced that it had destroyed three Russian armored vehicles and four infantry fighting vehicles, and killed "many infantry." Then it released a picture of a dead man in uniform, purported to be a Russian general whom it had killed. It is difficult to verify these claims.

The city of Mariupol, which has a population of 500,000, is primarily being defended by the Azov Battalion. This is one of the places, along with Ukraine's capital Kyiv and the country's second-largest city Kharkiv, where Russia is conducting its war particularly brutally. Since early March, the city has been under siege and subjected to heavy bombardment. There is no electricity, little water, and scarce food supplies.

Azov headquarters in Mariupol

It is also where the Azov Battalion, which is part of the Ukrainian National Guard and thus subordinate to the Interior Ministry, has set up its headquarters. Its fighters are well trained, but the unit is controversial because it is composed of nationalists and far-right radicals. Its very existence is one of the pretexts Russia has used for its war against Ukraine.

(Lol again, they have been massacring Russian speakers and nobody reported zilch).

Initially, Azov was a volunteer militia that formed in the city of Berdyansk to support the Ukrainian army in its fight against pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine. Some of its fighters came from the small but active far-right group Pravyi sektor (Right Sector), whose core members were from eastern Ukraine and spoke Russian. Originally, they had even advocated the unity of East Slavic peoples: Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians. Some were soccer ultras, others were active in nationalist circles. "In Germany," says Andreas Umland from the Stockholm Center for Eastern European Studies, these groups would be described as free comradeships" which are organized neo-Nazi groups.

Far-right connotations

Umland told DW that Azov had been controversial from the outset because of its emblem, which bears the Wolfsangel symbol. "The Wolfsangel has far-right connotations, it is a pagan symbol that the SS also used," said Umland. "But it is not considered a fascist symbol by the population in Ukraine."

(They are descendents of Nazis, in idea and in symbology)

The Azov Regiment wants the symbol from the Nazi era to be understood as stylized versions of the letters N and I, standing for "national idea."

Incorporated into the National Guard

Andriy Biletsky, the 42-year-old founder of Azov, is a history graduate of the National University of Kharkiv. He was active in Ukraine's far-right scene for years. In the summer of 2014, the modest forces of Azov participated in the recapture of Mariupol from pro-Russian separatists. It has operated as a regiment since fall 2014 and according to media reports, it had around 1,000 fighters before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, as well as artillery and tanks.

The Ukrainian government decided to incorporate the ultra-nationalists into state structures in 2014.

In 2015 and 2016, a movement emerged that formed the political arm of Azov. Biletsky resigned as a commander and created the National Corps party with former fighters. However, it had little electoral success. Biletsky did enter parliament via direct mandate but was not reelected in 2019. He is reportedly currently fighting on the front near Kyiv.

Contacts with far-right movements

In 2019, there was an attempt by US Congress to designate the regiment as a "terrorist organization" but this did not happen. Nevertheless, for years, Azov has maintained contacts with far-right movements abroad, including in Germany according to the German government's answer to a question related to this issue by the Left Party parliamentary group.

Umland told DW that a myth had emerged around Azov because of Russian propaganda. He said that volunteer fighters, including Azov, had been accused of looting and improper behavior in 2014.

"Normally, we consider right-wing extremism to be dangerous, something that can lead to war," Umland said. But in Ukraine, it is the other way around, he argued. The war had led to the rise and transformation of marginal comradeships into a political movement. But their influence on society is overrated, he said. For most Ukrainians, they are combatants fighting an overbearing aggressor.

This article was translated from German.

Source: https://m.dw.com/en/the-azov-battalion-extremists-defending-mariupol/a-61151151

Hence the whole circle is complete.

And I can write who is financing who; and who is fighting alongside who but then my post will get deleted.

So far, in this conflicts, we are seeing Russians, Ukrainians, Neo-Nazis, ISIS, Anti-ISIS Syrians, UK/USA/Canada/European "volunteers" etc. fighting alongside / against each other.

A true mess.

Bonus:

 
Easy for you to tell Ukrainians should lay flat on the floor while Russian tanks are bombarding and shelling Ukraine in every direction. That’s their country and their future on the line while it maybe just a sport to you in cosy England.

No country would accept an illegal invasion. Did you accept Iraq getting illegally invaded in 2003 by America ? Of course you didn’t. Would you accept india slicing off and anexing Kashmir ? Of course you won’t.
So why should Ukrainians do the same ?

Every invader in modern times uses these 2 forms of logic

1) If we wanted we could have killed all of you but we are showing self restraint (Israel, India in kashmir, US in Iraq, Russia now all say similar stuff)

2) If you want peace, you should just surrender.
 
Every invader in modern times uses these 2 forms of logic

1) If we wanted we could have killed all of you but we are showing self restraint (Israel, India in kashmir, US in Iraq, Russia now all say similar stuff)

2) If you want peace, you should just surrender.

Right, and this time Putin made a big miscalculation and is now biting more than he can chew. What worked in Chechnya and Syria isn’t going to work in Ukraine which is a much bigger country and much more organised resistance with better defensive weapons.

He’s not getting an easy victory (that he falsely believed or was given faulty intelligence) and he can now either encircle the cities and lay a long siege like Aleppo or Sarejavo or he can go in guns blazing but killing tens of thousands more Russian soldiers and god knows how many Ukrainian civilians while totally destroying the city.

And even if he does take Kyiv for example the Russian troops stationed there will be in for a long sustained insurgency that they will not be contained for a long time to come.
 
Right, and this time Putin made a big miscalculation and is now biting more than he can chew. What worked in Chechnya and Syria isn’t going to work in Ukraine which is a much bigger country and much more organised resistance with better defensive weapons.

He’s not getting an easy victory (that he falsely believed or was given faulty intelligence) and he can now either encircle the cities and lay a long siege like Aleppo or Sarejavo or he can go in guns blazing but killing tens of thousands more Russian soldiers and god knows how many Ukrainian civilians while totally destroying the city.

And even if he does take Kyiv for example the Russian troops stationed there will be in for a long sustained insurgency that they will not be contained for a long time to come.

Given all this it puzzles me how Putin has so many blind supporters on social media from faraway places like Ghana and Philippines.
Personally I am not pro Ukraine but I am anti Russia in this conflict for one simple reason

If the current Bangladesh govt is ever replaced with an Indian-unfriendly one, India can use every single excuse Russia used to invade us. 1) Bangladesh harboring anti Indian elements, 2)Bangladesh getting too close to China/Pakistan, 3) India needs a pro Indian govt in Bangladesh etc
 
I was initially rooting for Ukraine. I then stopped supporting Ukraine because of their neo-Nazi Azov group.

I am now neutral about this conflict. I hope innocents will not die though.
 
Right, and this time Putin made a big miscalculation and is now biting more than he can chew. What worked in Chechnya and Syria isn’t going to work in Ukraine which is a much bigger country and much more organised resistance with better defensive weapons.

He’s not getting an easy victory (that he falsely believed or was given faulty intelligence) and he can now either encircle the cities and lay a long siege like Aleppo or Sarejavo or he can go in guns blazing but killing tens of thousands more Russian soldiers and god knows how many Ukrainian civilians while totally destroying the city.

And even if he does take Kyiv for example the Russian troops stationed there will be in for a long sustained insurgency that they will not be contained for a long time to come.

Firstly I have no skin in this game so I'm looking at this from a strategic geopolitical military perspective which is my hobby.

Your assertion about invading in three days and winning the war is nonsense. Anybody saying this is talking utter garbage and propaganda. Every single indication was that this would not be a swift assault. If they say it was they are lying to you. It's all to make themselves feel good about themselves. They have been wrong about nearly every military engagement of the last 20 years. These are the so called analysts who thought the IAF could willfully bomb Pakistan whenever it wanted and we should accept this.

Youndo not mass 200k troops on the border without the intention to use them. Russias strategy is slow and deliberate. They are destroying the Ukrainian armed forces in a strategic and systematic way. It means more losses for Russia but they are willing to take them and they are within their realms of acceptability.

The majority of the Ukrainian units and formations are either encircled or about to be. Then they will be destroyed. He isn't going in to Kyiv. He will encircle it and stay there. All the major roads in the East are pretty much under Russian control. The Ukrainian armed forces have not managed to take back any of these major areas. The Russians have air superiority even though the Western media keeps saying they haven't which is a blatant lie.

Putin will take Mariuopol eventually and destroy the neo nazis there. He will take most of the east and force zelensky to negotiate from a position of weakness. Russia will put regular forces into the donbass and lugansk area and will also station warplanes around Ukraine to strike when they want in case. Zelensky will never join Nato. Other countries thinking about it won't either. The war is practically over bar the shouting..all you are seeing now is Russia using a scalpel to eliminate the structure of the Ukrainian military complex..that will take time..
 
Given all this it puzzles me how Putin has so many blind supporters on social media from faraway places like Ghana and Philippines.
Personally I am not pro Ukraine but I am anti Russia in this conflict for one simple reason

If the current Bangladesh govt is ever replaced with an Indian-unfriendly one, India can use every single excuse Russia used to invade us. 1) Bangladesh harboring anti Indian elements, 2)Bangladesh getting too close to China/Pakistan, 3) India needs a pro Indian govt in Bangladesh etc

India is never going to invade Bangladesh, it is the opposite, they have put a fence up to try and keep Bangladeshis out. Why would they want to mingle their population with yours? Yes they want an India-centric Bangladeshi govt, but they can achieve all that without invading, and as you can see, they already have done for last two elections in BD.
 
Firstly I have no skin in this game so I'm looking at this from a strategic geopolitical military perspective which is my hobby.

Your assertion about invading in three days and winning the war is nonsense. Anybody saying this is talking utter garbage and propaganda. Every single indication was that this would not be a swift assault. If they say it was they are lying to you. It's all to make themselves feel good about themselves. They have been wrong about nearly every military engagement of the last 20 years. These are the so called analysts who thought the IAF could willfully bomb Pakistan whenever it wanted and we should accept this.

Youndo not mass 200k troops on the border without the intention to use them. Russias strategy is slow and deliberate. They are destroying the Ukrainian armed forces in a strategic and systematic way. It means more losses for Russia but they are willing to take them and they are within their realms of acceptability.

The majority of the Ukrainian units and formations are either encircled or about to be. Then they will be destroyed. He isn't going in to Kyiv. He will encircle it and stay there. All the major roads in the East are pretty much under Russian control. The Ukrainian armed forces have not managed to take back any of these major areas. The Russians have air superiority even though the Western media keeps saying they haven't which is a blatant lie.

Putin will take Mariuopol eventually and destroy the neo nazis there. He will take most of the east and force zelensky to negotiate from a position of weakness. Russia will put regular forces into the donbass and lugansk area and will also station warplanes around Ukraine to strike when they want in case. Zelensky will never join Nato. Other countries thinking about it won't either. The war is practically over bar the shouting..all you are seeing now is Russia using a scalpel to eliminate the structure of the Ukrainian military complex..that will take time..

You are definitely taking the pro Russian position and you have the right to do so as maybe I have a more pro Ukraine positions. I try to be as nuanced as I can be but maybe I am overlooking my own bias so I don’t mind being checked.
However let’s not overlook the fact that consistent Russian shelling and bombardment has killed thousands of civilians in both Kharkiv and Mariupol alone - this isn’t going smoothly because they would have just walked into those cities if he wasn’t going to face stiff resistance.

Russia has lost north of 7000 soldiers in 4 weeks on conflict as well as 4 generals (they are only admitting 500 from 2 weeks ago which is absurdly low) - Putin definetly did think it was initially going to be a cakewalk otherwise they wouldn’t have lost so many troops in such a small time frame. That’s why he has scolded his head of intelligence publicly and reportedly rebuked him in private too.

Now eventually yes they will encircle the cities and will capture the smaller ones but if Putin thinks he will take Kyiv without totally destroying it like he did to Grozny then he is living in a different world - in fact he has been because when a dictator stays more than 20 years in power they become more i on what they can achieve.

Ask for Zelensky joining NATO that is simply a red herring. France and Germany were always blocking Ukraine from joining the alliance because of the amount of energy they were exporting from Russia and did not want to antagonise or jeopardise the deal and Zelensky himself said it was just a dream.
Putin invaded anyway because he wanted a puppet government that answersd to him - that’s what this was all about really. Oh and of course the potential Gas reserves that Ukraine has which seems overlooked big time by many taking the pro Russian position.

One thing I will make absolutely clear is that the Ukrainian people in general will never accept Russian millitary occupation in their country - if you don’t think they will face a big insurgency for years to come you are in for a rude awakening.
They got faulty intelligence that they would be welcomed because Zelensky was becoming unpopular for the promises he didn’t deliver to his people however he has united them again because he didn’t fled as they had hoped for.
 
Biden and Johnson snubbed by SA, AD, and UAE in call to increase oil output.

USA and Australia warn China and India to obey Western sanctions or face consequences - China replies by reminding how NATO bombed a Chinese embassy in 1999 Belgrade despite the UN vetoing the decision.

So desperate is the West for oil, UK paid the £400M which Iran was demanding in exchange for Radcliff and more oil.

Oh, rates have gone up in the UK again.

West will end up suffering more for sure.
 
According to the pentagon russia has lost 7000 soldiers and 21000 have been wounded

A fifth of their fighting force has been taken out of action.

Its like chechenya where they had tens of thousands dead and then started inflicting total scorch earth tactics and massacring everyone

They did the same in Syria like aleppo when their Syria army and shia militia advance stalled they started resorting to chemical attacks barrel bombs and the regime was even launching scud missiles.

They have lost many high ranking officers commanders which is absolutely humiliating in itself.

On top ukraine still has radar air defence systems and is still able to fly drones and carry out attacks, their airforce hasn't even achieved total control of the airspace which should have been the number 1 goal before any troop set foot in ukraine .
 
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