Russia invades Ukraine

[jaf348]

According to bones these are military experts

Basically

Douglas MacGregor = GD Bakshi
Tucker Carlson = Arnab Goswami

Bakshi was doing bhangra on Goswami's show in late February saying Kyiv was about to fall and the war would be over within days. These are the so called experts we should be listening to

 

[bones]

Basically

Douglas MacGregor = GD Bakshi
Tucker Carlson = Arnab Goswami

Bakshi was doing bhangra on Goswami's show in late February saying Kyiv was about to fall and the war would be over within days. These are the so called experts we should be listening to

Douglas MacGregor fought in wars and worked in the defence department for America. He was one of those under Trump that support the concept of Ukrainian neutrality. He is far more qualified than the paid shills that the rest of mainstream media show us.

The war is over and it was over for all intents and purposes in the first 10 days. What’s happening now is the needless killing of thousands of young Ukrainian men because NATO wants to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

In phase one for every Russian dying, 3 or 4 Ukrainian soldiers were dying. The losses on both sides especially the Ukrainian side were horrific. Since phase two, for every Russian dying more than 10 Ukrainian soldiers are dying - the losses now are unsustainable. There is literally nothing the Ukrainians could or can do because the Russians have air superiority if not supremacy and they have overwhelming numbers of heavy weapons. Even former NATO commanders are unable to hide the ground situation anymore. The Russians have 10 or 15 times more pieces of artillery. They have a far greater bucket of rockets and missiles. Not only that they are technologically more advanced.

The Russians are in absolutely no hurry - Putin and his advisers have told their commanders to reduce casualties of Russian forces at all costs. Even Kadyrov is now on board with this order. As there is no hurry the Russians can just do everything from distance and send in infantry later to clean up. The Ukrainians are pleading for more weapons and they are being provided but not in the numbers they need. What difference are 200 tanks going to make when the Russians have 2000? What difference are 20 MIG-29s going to make when the Russians have hundreds of fighter planes?

Any president and government who cared about their country would have come to the negotiating process a long time ago but the Zelensky puppet regime hasn’t. We all know why.

As a result of how bad the situation is- NATO are working on opening new fronts in western Ukraine and Transnistria. This could work in trying to stretch and weaken the Russians. However Putin was clear any such action would be dealt with using their superior technology. I suspect he means hypersonic missiles with large missiles (not nuclear).

Please continue to mock all these former military and intelligence men and feast on the paid shills on mainstream media. When the mainstream media finally starts to tell the truth about the situation I will come back to quote you and your pals here. It will be fun.

 

[MenInG]

A long-awaited operation to evacuate civilians from the Azovstal steel plant in the southeastern Ukrainian city of Mariupol is finally under way.

Sviatoslav Palamar, the deputy commander of the Azov Regiment, said "a ceasefire has finally happened".

He said he hoped the evacuations from the steelworks continue until everyone in the plant, civilians and soldiers, had escaped.

The Azov Regiment, an all-volunteer infantry military unit, is helping defend the last section of the besieged port city which is not occupied by Vladimir Putin's forces.

"There wasn't a ceasefire before despite the enemy's statements about it. At the same time, we faced mortar shelling. For the past two days we can say indeed a ceasefire happened at the announced time," he said.

He added that the Azovstal plant is strewn with mines, rockets, artillery shells and unexploded cluster ordnance - and is being defended by the 36th Marine Brigade, police officers, border guards, coast guard and more.

"Some of them guard the territory, some of them prevent attempted attacks, some of them are responsible for a ceasefire, some of them help to clear the rubble under shelling," he said.

Key developments:

Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the US House of Representatives, meets President Zelenskyy in Kyiv
UK ambassador feels "comfortable" after returning to the capital - despite Russian threats
Energy ministers from EU countries to hold emergency talks on Monday
Wives of Mariupol defenders appeal for soldiers' evacuation
Germany vows to stop using Russian oil exports by late summer

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...steelworks-in-safe-passage-operation-12603882

 

[bones]

French journalist reporting on the ground situation:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/exhausted-ukrainian-soldiers-return-eastern-130359514.html

 

[MenInG]

Boris Johnson will address the Ukrainian parliament on Tuesday, becoming the first world leader to do so since the outbreak of war in February.

In a recorded address, the prime minister will praise Ukraine's resistance against tyranny and announce a new £300m package of military aid to support the country's ongoing defence against Russia.

In his address to the Verkhovna Rada on Tuesday, the prime minister is also expected to hail Ukraine's "finest hour" and to stress that the UK is "proud to be among their friends".

His comments will be broadcast as the British embassy reopens in Kyiv in a show of support for Ukraine.

'Epic chapter in national story'

Mr Johnson is expected to say: "When my country faced the threat of invasion during the Second World War, our parliament - like yours - continued to meet throughout the conflict, and the British people showed such unity and resolve that we remember our time of greatest peril as our finest hour."

He will add: "This is Ukraine's finest hour, an epic chapter in your national story that will be remembered and recounted for generations to come.

"Your children and grandchildren will say that Ukrainians taught the world that the brute force of an aggressor counts for nothing against the moral force of a people determined to be free."

SKY

 

[silentkiller187]

Ukrainian troops will beat their Russian counterparts and the country will "be free" from occupation, Boris Johnson has told Ukraine's parliament - adding that it is a fight of "good versus evil".

The UK prime minister, who has become the first world leader to address Ukrainian MPs since Russia invaded in late February, said Ukraine had proven military experts "completely wrong".

In a recorded address, he also told the Verkhovna Rada that the "so-called irresistible force of Putin's war machine has broken on the immoveable object of Ukrainian patriotism".

"Ukraine will win, Ukraine will be free," he said, while Ukrainian soldiers have "fought with the energy and courage of lions".

"You have proved the old saying - it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog."

Russian soldiers "no longer have the excuse of not knowing what they are doing", the prime minister added, flanked by both British and Ukrainian flags.

They are "committing war crimes" and their "atrocities emerge wherever they are forced to retreat".

It is a conflict with "no moral ambiguities or no grey areas", the prime minister told politicians watching him from Kyiv.

Turning to Vladimir Putin, the PM said the war had exposed the Russian leader's "historic folly" - the "gigantic error that only an autocrat can make".

"When a leader rules by fear, rigs elections, jails critics, gags the media, and listens just to sycophants - when there is no limit on his power - that is when he makes catastrophic mistakes," Mr Johnson said.

A "free media, the rule of law, free elections and robust parliaments, such as your own" are the "best protections against the perils of arbitrary power", he went on.

What Vladimir Putin has done is an "advertisement for democracy", the PM said, and the "carcasses of Russian armour littering your fields and streets" are "monuments to his folly".

The conflict is Ukraine's "finest hour", the prime minister told the gathering in Kyiv.

"Your children and grandchildren will say that Ukrainians taught the world that the brute force of an aggressor counts for nothing against the moral force of a people determined to be free," he said.

A further £300m of UK military aid has been announced as Ukraine continues to fight back against the Russian invasion.

It includes a counter battery radar system, heavy-lift drones, GPS jamming equipment and thousands of night vision devices.

In the coming weeks the UK will send Brimstone anti-ship missiles, Stormer anti-aircraft systems and armoured vehicles to evacuate civilians, Mr Johnson vowed.

The UK will carry on supplying Ukraine, Mr Johnson said, until no one ever "dares" to attack it again.

In the bombarded city of Mariupol, it is hoped more people can be evacuated from the Azovstal steelworks on Tuesday.

More than 100, including elderly women and mothers with small children, got out of the rubble-strewn site over the weekend.

Around 200 remain inside, however. Aid workers have prepared hot food, wheelchairs and toys for those able to make their way to safety.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...-boris-johnson-tells-kyiv-parliament-12604656

 

[Maher96]

Putin and Macron speak on phone
A little earlier we brought you news that the presidents of France and Russia were taking part in a phone call - their first since 29 March.

The Kremlin has issued some comments which are being reported by Russian state media.

Vladimir Putin told his French counterpart that the West is "ignoring Ukrainian war crimes", the Kremlin said.

The Kremlin also said that the West must stop supplying arms to Ukraine and that Kyiv is not taking talks to end the conflict seriously, in remarks reported by AFP.

Putin has previously made unfounded claims that Ukraine is committing war crimes after Russia's invasion.

Russian forces have been accused of carrying out atrocities, including at Bucha.

BBC

 

[Maher96]

The West was too slow to act over Russian aggression in Ukraine, Boris Johnson has told Ukrainian MPs.

Addressing the Ukrainian parliament via video link, he said Ukraine's allies "cannot make the same mistake" as they did over the 2014 Crimea invasion.

He said the West had been "too slow to grasp what was really happening" and "failed" to collectively impose sanctions against Vladimir Putin.

Details of £300m of extra military aid were also announced by Mr Johnson.
The military aid to be sent to Ukraine in the coming weeks will include electronic warfare equipment, a counter-battery radar system, GPS jammers and night-vision devices.

Introduced to MPs in Kyiv by the Ukrainian parliament's speaker, Mr Johnson said Ukraine's allies must be "humble" as the nation was previously invaded in 2014 when Russia seized Crimea, and began the war in Donbas.

"We cannot make the same mistake again," he said.

The UK prime minister - the first international leader to address the parliament since the Russian invasion - praised Ukraine's resistance for standing up to Russian forces.

He said: "You have exploded the myth of Putin's invincibility and you have written one of the most glorious chapters in military history and in the life of your country.

"The so-called irresistible force of Putin's war machine has broken on the immoveable object of Ukrainian patriotism and love of country."

He also echoed the words of Prime Minister Winston Churchill, just as Ukraine's President Volodomyr Zelensky did when he addressed MPs at Westminster in March.

Speaking to Ukrainian MPs in the chamber holding Ukrainian and Union flags, he said: "This is Ukraine's finest hour, that will be remembered and recounted for generations to come.

"Your children and grandchildren will say that Ukrainians taught the world that the brute force of an aggressor counts for nothing against the moral force of a people determined to be free."

Following the speech - the first address to the Ukrainian parliament by a world leader since the conflict began - President Zelensky described the UK and Ukraine as "brothers and sisters".

It follows the PM's unannounced visit to Kyiv last month.

In an earlier interview with ITV's Good Morning Britain, Mr Johnson said the UK was leading the world in helping Ukraine to "protect themselves".

He said: "What the UK is doing - and has done since the crisis began - is lead the world in helping the Ukrainians protect themselves against barbaric aggression by Vladimir Putin. That's all we're doing.
"We're not saying we're doing this in order to drive some geopolitical change or to have an outcome in Moscow...

"What we care about is Ukrainian people and their suffering, and it is totally unjustifiable to allow a free, sovereign, independent country, like Ukraine, just to be overwhelmed and obliterated as it might have been."

When asked about the Ukrainian UK ambassador's call for MPs to drop visa rules for refugees fleeing the country, the prime minister insisted it was important to "protect the system from those who might want to abuse it".

A total of 86,000 visas have been issued, but only 27,000 refugees have arrived, Mr Johnson said. He said the UK could have reacted faster.

The UK's ambassador to Ukraine, Melinda Simmons, who has just returned to Kyiv, said she was shocked at seeing bombed schools and hospitals.

She added the UK was working with Ukraine to help them gather evidence of alleged war crimes.

The latest tranche of military support includes radar systems designed to detect artillery projectiles and missiles and then locate the positions of the weapons that fired them.

The UK is also supplying heavy lift aerial drones, which can carry supplies to Ukrainian forces that have become isolated.

And Downing Street said it would send 13 specialised Toyota Land Cruisers to protect civilians officials to command posts and help security authorities rebuild railways in eastern Ukraine, where Russian forces are now concentrated.

Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said the steel-plated vehicles, which were requested by the Ukrainian government, would also help evacuate civilians fleeing Russian shelling on the front line.

They will arrive there in the coming days, she said.

Ministers said last week that they would soon be able to supply Ukraine with long-range Brimstone missiles, as well as sending Stormer armoured vehicles to support the country's air defence.

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the party supported sending military aid to Ukraine, but he called for the government to do more on sanctions and to process refugees "much more quickly".

"I think the in-principle position of all political parties that we stand up for Ukraine, stand with Ukraine, stand against Russian aggression is very important," he said.

Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokeswoman Layla Moran said it was the right decision but "wrong timing" to send additional weapons to Ukraine, saying it was desperately needed a week ago.

She questioned whether the prime minister had delayed the announcement ahead of local elections, a move she said was "deeply cynical".

BBC

 

[bones]

Can anyone read that message from Boris above ^^^ and come to any other conclusion that they are preparing people for the bad news.

 

[James]

Can anyone read that message from Boris above ^^^ and come to any other conclusion that they are preparing people for the bad news.

Yes it feels from these comments that Boris has an idea of what is happening, and is warming up the world for further Russian territorial progress.

 

[James]

<b>Pope Francis offers to meet Putin to try to end Ukraine war</b>

<I>Pope Francis says he made a request to meet Russian president three weeks after Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine.</I>

Pope Francis has said he offered to travel to Moscow to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin in an effort to stop the war in Ukraine but has yet to hear back.

The pontifex made the request for a meeting via the Vatican secretary of state, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, 20 days after Putin ordered troops to enter Ukraine on February 24, the pope told the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera in an interview published on Tuesday.

Popes for decades have sought to visit Moscow as part of the longstanding effort to heal relations with the Russian Orthodox Church, which split with Rome more than 1,000 years ago. But an invitation has never been forthcoming.

“Of course, it would be necessary for the leader of the Kremlin to make available some window of opportunity,” the pope was quoted as saying.

“But we still have not had a response and we are still pushing, even if I fear that Putin cannot and does not want to have this meeting at this moment,” he added.

Following suggestions over a visit to the Ukrainian capital, the pope was clear: “I am not going to Kyiv now … I have to go to Moscow first, I have to meet Putin.”

During the interview, Francis also reported a conversation he had in March with the Russian Orthodox Church’s Patriarch Kirill – a staunch supporter of the invasion.

“With paper in hand, he read all of the justifications for the war,” the pope told Corriere. “I listened and told him: ‘I don’t understand any of this. Brother, we are not clerics of the state, we cannot use language of politics, but that of Jesus … For this we need to find the paths of peace, to stop the firing of arms.’”

“He can’t turn into Putin’s altar boy,” Francis added. The two religious leaders were supposed to meet in Jerusalem, but the Vatican called off the meeting to avoid “confusion”.

The pope has repeatedly called for an end to the hostilities in the war-torn country but has not directly criticised Putin.

In early April, the pope said some “potentate, sadly caught up in anachronistic claims of nationalist interests, is provoking and fomenting conflicts”.

Francis has frequently denounced the weapons industry and the announced increases in defence spending by the West in recent weeks.

But he has also defended the right of Ukrainians to protect their territory from the Russian invasion, in line with Catholic social doctrine. He told Corriere he felt he was too removed to judge the morality of resupplying the Ukrainian armed forces from the West.

But he also said he was trying to understand why Russia had reacted as it had. Maybe “this barking of NATO at Russia’s door” had prompted it, he was quoted as saying, “An anger that I don’t know if you can say was provoked, but may be facilitated.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/3/pope-francis-wants-to-travel-to-russia-to-meet-putin

<b>SOURCE: AL JAZEERA</b>

 

[cpleigh]

Can anyone read that message from Boris above ^^^ and come to any other conclusion that they are preparing people for the bad news.

seriously? in what way is he preparing anyone for bad news.

 

[90MPH]

Can anyone read that message from Boris above ^^^ and come to any other conclusion that they are preparing people for the bad news.

You are always looking for something when it’s not there. In other words you maybe having hallucinations.

The only bad news at the moment is for the Russian millitary who are getting their millitary vehicles decimated by Ukrainian mortar and artillery rounds on a daily basis. The videos are out there for all to see.
If anything what is most surprising how accurate Ukraine artillery fire is on Russian positions and one of the reasons is that the Ukrainian using cheap drones is more than enough to give away the Russian locations and they have nowere to hide in the more open flat Donbas areas.

Just yesterday 2 Russian patrol boats were destroyed by a Bayraktar Turkish drone.
Nothing is safe for the Russians in this war, be it the air, land or sea.

Once the next round of heavy weapons from America like the howitzers and kamikaze drones get transferred to the Ukrainian millitary the Russian forces will be in deep trouble, if not already.

But if you want to keep going through delusions of grandeur then so be it.

 

[bones]

Once the next round of heavy weapons from America like the howitzers and kamikaze drones get transferred to the Ukrainian millitary the Russian forces will be in deep trouble, if not already.

I’ve quoted reliable sources multiple times who explain in great detail why this war war decided in the first 2 weeks. If you choose to not to listen to these experts then that’s on you. I’m not going to repeat myself.

But I have to ask you a couple of questions.

- How will these weapons reach the frontlines in the Donbas?
- How will the Ukrainians be trained with this equipment in such a short time when they are fighting at the moment?
- How will they supply these weapons with fuel and ammunition?

Please for a moment pull out some maps, understand military supply and communication lines and then think about these things.

 

[bones]

seriously? in what way is he preparing anyone for bad news.

There is no longer any mention of the great Ukrainian victory or the humiliating Russian defeat. The fact that he says that they should have armed Ukraine in 2014 indicates clearly that he knows it’s all too little and too late.

He’s never going to actually say “we are losing” or “Ukraine are going to be defeated” so the statements above are the political equivalent.

 

[MenInG]

Russian forces have begun storming the steel mill containing the last pocket of resistance in Mariupol.

The takeover began after evacuations from the bombed-out plant saw scores of Ukrainian survivors finally reaching safety following long days and nights holed up inside under constant shelling.

One woman said the assault began "as soon as we were brought out" of the plant in the Ukrainian port city.

Another spoke of the "animal fear" she felt when the building she was in was hit by a bomb.

It is believed, however, about 200 civilians are still inside the steelworks, Mariupol Mayor Vadym Boichenko said - and that 100,000 remain in Mariupol as a whole.

The Soviet-era plant had become a symbol of Ukrainian resistance and defiance.

 

[cpleigh]

Ukraine has retaken the town of molodova, not to be confused with the country. That puts them very close to the Russian border and supply lines from belograd. Russia will have to move troops from the south to counter that.

The Donbas assault really hasn't gone anywhere.

 

[bones]

The Donbas assault really hasn't gone anywhere.

The Russians are focusing on the AFU in the Donbas. You don’t seem to understand how well fortified this region is. The AFU have had many years to prepare. What appears to be a statement is actually the grinding down of these fortified positions and the AFU. These are the best AFU troops.

 

[bones]

This is a very long video but goes into great detail about the Russian strategy. Basically Russia shaped the battlefield and are slowly grinding the AFU in Donbas down. Western weapons won’t change anything. Attack Drones are useless but small drones are ok for intel. The war was over in the first 2/3 weeks because the AFU in Donbas had no mobility. Ukraine continue to fight even though everyone knows that they have lost. What’s happening now is the needless killing of many soldiers.

https://youtu.be/IPrDl414AFM

 

[KingKhanWC]

We now know a retired Canadian General was hiding out in the steelworks. No doubt he was sent by Nato to organise attacks and possibly help with the bio labs. It makes sense now why the Nazis didnt want to surrender.

Meanwhile Boris the clown and senile Biden are still lying to their public, telling them Ukraine will win the war lol.

 

[James]

The EU has proposed some of its toughest measures yet against Russia, including a total ban on oil imports and sanctions on war crimes suspects.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said the package was aimed at maximising pressure on Russia while minimising damage to Europe.

Russian crude oil would be phased out within six months, she said.

Hungary has rejected the proposal as unacceptable and the Czech and Slovak governments want a transition period.

The EU has been focusing for weeks on how to wean itself off Russian oil and gas.

It has already pledged to reduce gas imports by two-thirds by the end of 2022 and now plans to phase out crude oil over six months and refined products by the end of 2022.

"We will make sure that we phase out Russian oil in an orderly fashion," the Commission president said.

The package first has to be approved by EU ambassadors and is set to be signed off in the next few days.

But Hungarian government spokesman Zoltan Kovacs said his country would veto it in its current form:

"They exactly know that what they are proposing is against Hungarian interests... and if we do that we are completely going to ruin the Hungarian economy."

Slovakia as well as Hungary currently relies on Russian oil and under the initial proposal would be given until the end of 2023 to find alternative suppliers.

Slovakia's economy minister said his country wanted a three-year transition period and Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala said he would also seek a two-to-three year exemption to tackle problems with pipeline capacity.

Last year, Russia supplied the EU with a quarter of its oil imports, and the Netherlands and Germany were the biggest buyers.

The Dutch government has said it wants to halt all Russian fossil fuel imports by the end of this year and Germany has drastically reduced its reliance on Russian oil imports, down from 35% to 12%.

The UK, which is no longer in the EU, is already phasing out Russian oil, which accounts for 8% of its imports.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Moscow was working on various options in response to the planned embargo.

Sanctions were a double-edged sword for the Europeans and others, he said, as the cost for European citizens would increase every day.

BBC

 

[KingKhanWC]

We have to question the intelligence of the western populations. Sanctions are causing self harm. There are even reports 1 in 3 fish and chip shops could close due to lack of cooking oil.

Idiots are willing to suffer to help defend Zionists and Nazis.

 

[cpleigh]

We have to question the intelligence of the western populations. Sanctions are causing self harm. There are even reports 1 in 3 fish and chip shops could close due to lack of cooking oil.

Idiots are willing to suffer to help defend Zionists and Nazis.

are you claiming Russia has managed to unite NAZI'S and Jews now?

 

[KingKhanWC]

are you claiming Russia has managed to unite NAZI'S and Jews now?

Again, pls do some basic research into history or read what I wrote a little more carefully.

Zionist Jews and Nazis have an old partnership. Hitler and Zionist Jews made a deal as both wanted Jews out of Germany.

Zelensky is holding hands with Nazis in Ukraine and has been since 2014 when Nazis were used to bring down the elected leader in a coup.

Btw out of interest what is your ethnicity? Are you a Indian/Pakistani ?

 

[MenInG]

More than 300 civilians were evacuated from the ruined Ukrainian port city of Mariupol and the surrounding areas on Wednesday, the Red Cross has said.

This includes "several dozen civilians" who left the besieged Azovstal steel plant and reached Zaporizhzhia during a five-day safe passage operation, the charity said in a statement.

 

[cpleigh]

Again, pls do some basic research into history or read what I wrote a little more carefully.

Zionist Jews and Nazis have an old partnership. Hitler and Zionist Jews made a deal as both wanted Jews out of Germany.

Zelensky is holding hands with Nazis in Ukraine and has been since 2014 when Nazis were used to bring down the elected leader in a coup.

Btw out of interest what is your ethnicity? Are you a Indian/Pakistani ?

I'm english

 

[bones]

So after further reading it seems like more and more military men are in agreement that this was a good military operation if not a great one. I've already gone over what Col MacGregor, Scott Ritter, Larry C Johnson and Jacques Baud have said about the military situation.

Well Jacob Dresin who is following the military makes the following points:

1. Ukraine's losses in phase 1 that he estimated as 1:3, are actually 1:4. Each Russian loss = 4 Ukranians lost.
2. In phase 2 the losses are unthinkable for Ukraine.
3. Most of the units fighting in the north are reservists, probably territorial militia. This means the regular army has suffered huge losses.
4. The Ukranian army fighting in and around Donbas are much better trained and in strong positions.
5. The Ukranian units in Donbas have no supply so are in a very perilous position.
6. The Russians are moving slowly and carefully unlike phase 1 which was deliberately fast.
7. The Russians are now using all their strengths to grind the Ukranian Army in the Donbas down.
8. The tactical moves are using massive artillery, air support & bombing, precision and ballistic missiles and overnight command raids.
9. There will come a point when the Ukranians in the Donbas cannot hold any longer and everything will collapse in one heap.
10. Once the army in the Donbas is defeated then Russia have multiple options for the next move and Ukraine will struggle to stop them.

 

[bones]

I'm english

Which would explain why you think the operation is going the way you think it is.

 

[Technics 1210]

Which would explain why you think the operation is going the way you think it is.

Exactly. The majority of 'English' (note not British), are simply parroting BBC and SKY. When the English think for themselves, they will refer themselves as British.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I'm english

In England the BBC & all other media have been peddling outright lies, the worst propaganda seen in modern history, on par with the Iraq lies of WMD's. I suggest you do independent research.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Russia seems to have run out of patience with the Azovstal plant. Its best for the Nazis to surrender or they will soon be wiped out.

 

[James]

Lukashenko quoted saying that the Russian special op has dragged on.

 

[Junaids]

Russia has lost roughly 30% of its most modern equipment, and 20% of its troops.

The mission to disarm Ukraine has basically resulted in Russia disarming itself.

Now they have to re-activate even more obsolete equipment and call up conscripts.

 

[Junaids]

Russia will end up retaining Luhansk, Donetsk and Crimea, which they already controlled.

At the cost of being irreparably diminished militarily and with their economy completely destroyed.

And having succeeded where Trump couldn’t in getting NATO to increase its spending massively. And getting Sweden and Finland to join NATO.

Putin is a clown.

 

[Technics 1210]

65 Rubles to 1 USD. Russia’s currency is strengthening by the day from the lows of 120.

Putin is a genius by pegging the Ruble to Gold, and then Gold fixed to the USD.

This is why as the USD strengthens, so does the Ruble.

Genius.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Russia will end up retaining Luhansk, Donetsk and Crimea, which they already controlled.

At the cost of being irreparably diminished militarily and with their economy completely destroyed.

And having succeeded where Trump couldn’t in getting NATO to increase its spending massively. And getting Sweden and Finland to join NATO.

Putin is a clown.

You are English too correct?

Putin has changed history , the western hegemony is on the way out of existence. The financial system is changing.

 

[silentkiller187]

Mariupol fighting: More evacuations from besieged city on Friday, UN says

A third operation to pull civilians from Mariupol is due on Friday, the UN says, as more fighting was reported for control of a steelworks where the last Ukrainian defenders are holding out.

About 200 civilians are also believed to be hiding in bunkers in the plant.

UN chief Antonio Guterres said everything should be done to "get people out of these hellscapes".

Russia's Vladimir Putin said his forces are ready to give civilians safe passage, but fighters must surrender.

The Russian president has already declared victory in Mariupol, ordering his forces to seal off the sprawling industrial site - which was designed during the Cold War to serve as a nuclear bunker and has a network of tunnels deep below ground - rather than try to take control of it.

However the remaining Ukrainian forces inside the steelworks - fighters from the Azov regiment, some marines, border guards and police - say Russian attacks are continuing.

The Azov regiment released drone footage showing explosions at the steelworks, but the date of the footage could not be verified. Earlier on Thursday Sviatoslav Palamar, an Azov regiment commander, said Ukrainian defenders were fighting "difficult, bloody battles" with Russian troops who had managed to enter part of the complex.

But the Kremlin denied its forces had tried to storm the plant and insisted that a humanitarian corridor was open as part of a three-day ceasefire that started on Thursday.

Mr Guterres said a third operation to evacuate civilians from the city was under way and would arrive in the city on Friday. Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said on social media that this would happen at about midday.

Mariupol steelworks evacuees reach safety

At least 20 children are thought to be among the remaining civilians in the steelworks, and food and water supplies are dwindling fast.

On Sunday an initial group of civilians was evacuated from the plant. Footage showed mainly women and children being helped to walk over piles of rubble, and boarding a bus with missing windows.

Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine 10 weeks ago but has not yet gained full control over any of Ukraine's major cities.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61342436

 

[James]

You are English too correct?

Not sure why there is suddenly a hard sentiment against “the English” in this thread, it feels quite loose and general.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not sure why there is suddenly a hard sentiment against “the English” in this thread, it feels quite loose and general.

Two reasons James

1 . The western media is totally bias & producing outright falsehoods. Which is why I said also seek independent news .

2. People are tribal in nature , it’s difficult for many to not accept a different narrative no matter the evidence . It’s not wrong to go against your government’s & media if evidence is to the contrary

Jesus (pbuh) said Speak the truth & the truth shall free you .

 

[Junaids]

I find it astonishing that anti-British colonial sentiment blinds people to the fact that Russia is itself a kleptocratic country which uses colonialism to try to buy the support of the majority White European population and uses poor Asian Russians as disposable cannon fodder.

The Nazi excuse is blatant nonsense used as propaganda for an uneducated population.

This was it all about Putin’s historical chip on his shoulder, which has blinded him to the damage he is doing to his own country.

Russia’s 140 million people have an economy the same size as Australia’s 25 million. It is an accident of history that they still have nuclear weapons and large but antique and hopeless conventional forces.

We saw in Angola in the 1970’s and 1980’s that the Russian armed forces were hopeless at conventional warfare and had to be bailed out and then replaced by better-trained and more disciplined Cubans.

And we have seen nothing since then to suggest that they have any skills or aptitude at anything other than flattening Aleppo or Mariupol or anywhere else.

 

[Junaids]

Russia seems to have run out of patience with the Azovstal plant. Its best for the Nazis to surrender or they will soon be wiped out.

Let’s be precise about this.

The Ukrainian armed forces include one far right battalion, the Azov Brigade, with 2,500 men.

Their nonsensical racial superiority ideology is identical to that of the Russian armed forces, which use Asian Russians as cannon fodder and only promote whites to Officer status. (How many Asian cities in Russia hosted the 2018 World Cup?)

There is no reason to consider either the Ukrainian government or the rest of the Ukrainian armed forces to have right-wing ideology at all, given that their government is actually centre-left in its political stance?

 

[bones]

Let’s be precise about this.

The Ukrainian armed forces include one far right battalion, the Azov Brigade, with 2,500 men.

Their nonsensical racial superiority ideology is identical to that of the Russian armed forces, which use Asian Russians as cannon fodder and only promote whites to Officer status. (How many Asian cities in Russia hosted the 2018 World Cup?)

There is no reason to consider either the Ukrainian government or the rest of the Ukrainian armed forces to have right-wing ideology at all, given that their government is actually centre-left in its political stance?

Why is Bandera a national hero with statues and songs etc made after him?

 

[bones]

Russia has lost roughly 30% of its most modern equipment, and 20% of its troops.

The mission to disarm Ukraine has basically resulted in Russia disarming itself.

Now they have to re-activate even more obsolete equipment and call up conscripts.

This will be fun.

The Russians haven’t even used their latest bomber jets the SU-57s or more than a couple of their latest T-90 tanks so please explain how they are losing their most modern equipment.

The Russians have deployed 200k troops for this operation of which many are DNR and LPR militia. So they haven’t even deployed 20% of their total army, so how can they have lost 20% of their entire army? Are you plucking these numbers out of thin air like the BBC do lol?

The Russians have not and will not need to mobilise. They are crushing Ukraine on the battlefield. Spend some time doing some independent research and you’ll see the truth.

In comparison things are going horribly wrong for Ukraine and NATO. See my previous posts about the details but to summarise the Ukrainians have issued their fourth round of mobilisation, are losing units at a ratio of at least 1:10 and are seeing huge parts of their military and transport infrastructure destroyed. The Russians are actually ramping up their missile attacks and this is primarily because NATO keeps trying to feed this mish mash of equipment to Ukraine.

You should do some research.

 

[MenInG]

This will be fun.

The Russians haven’t even used their latest bomber jets the SU-57s or more than a couple of their latest T-90 tanks so please explain how they are losing their most modern equipment.

The Russians have deployed 200k troops for this operation of which many are DNR and LPR militia. So they haven’t even deployed 20% of their total army, so how can they have lost 20% of their entire army? Are you plucking these numbers out of thin air like the BBC do lol?

The Russians have not and will not need to mobilise. They are crushing Ukraine on the battlefield. Spend some time doing some independent research and you’ll see the truth.

In comparison things are going horribly wrong for Ukraine and NATO. See my previous posts about the details but to summarise the Ukrainians have issued their fourth round of mobilisation, are losing units at a ratio of at least 1:10 and are seeing huge parts of their military and transport infrastructure destroyed. The Russians are actually ramping up their missile attacks and this is primarily because NATO keeps trying to feed this mish mash of equipment to Ukraine.

You should do some research.

Can you add sources for this information also.

 

[cpleigh]

Can you add sources for this information also.

I hope Russia has used more than 2 of their new tanks... because Ukraine has destroyed 2 of them already lol

 

[cpleigh]

In England the BBC & all other media have been peddling outright lies, the worst propaganda seen in modern history, on par with the Iraq lies of WMD's. I suggest you do independent research.

You seem to be suggesting that all English people believe what the media say, in a country where freedom of press is a national institution...

but russian press and dare i say indian press are the bastion of truth?

 

[bones]

Can you add sources for this information also.

For SU-57, there is no confirmed use by either the Ukranians or the Russians. There is no visual footage of them in the air. There is plenty of footage of the SU-24/25 and SU-34/35

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/...aine?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

Regarding the T-90 tanks. Russia has over 400 of them and at least 250 are in service (unconfirmed). There have only been a handful of sightings of these T-90 tanks. Given how easily we get to see footage of the T-80s and T-72s you can only conclude they are not widely deploying the T-90s.

 

[Junaids]

This will be fun.

The Russians haven’t even used their latest bomber jets the SU-57s or more than a couple of their latest T-90 tanks so please explain how they are losing their most modern equipment.

The Russians have deployed 200k troops for this operation of which many are DNR and LPR militia. So they haven’t even deployed 20% of their total army, so how can they have lost 20% of their entire army? Are you plucking these numbers out of thin air like the BBC do lol?

The Russians have not and will not need to mobilise. They are crushing Ukraine on the battlefield. Spend some time doing some independent research and you’ll see the truth.

In comparison things are going horribly wrong for Ukraine and NATO. See my previous posts about the details but to summarise the Ukrainians have issued their fourth round of mobilisation, are losing units at a ratio of at least 1:10 and are seeing huge parts of their military and transport infrastructure destroyed. The Russians are actually ramping up their missile attacks and this is primarily because NATO keeps trying to feed this mish mash of equipment to Ukraine.

You should do some research.

I’ve seen it all before with Russia.

The Su-57 isn’t even operational yet, and it won’t be until 2025 and that is if they can fix its structural problems.

I’m still waiting for the Tu-144 to enter full service!!!!

They have virtually run out of cruise missiles and are reduced to just flattening cities with artillery.

As I said, they have succeeded only in expending their least obsolete weapons, and now they are down to absolute garbage.

Yes, Ukraine uses the same Soviet era garbage and has less of it.

But Russia’s conventional forces now are a laughing stock. They have literally succeeded in disarming themselves.

 

[Junaids]

This will be fun.

The Russians haven’t even used their latest bomber jets the SU-57s or more than a couple of their latest T-90 tanks so please explain how they are losing their most modern equipment.

The Russians have deployed 200k troops for this operation of which many are DNR and LPR militia. So they haven’t even deployed 20% of their total army, so how can they have lost 20% of their entire army? Are you plucking these numbers out of thin air like the BBC do lol?

The Russians have not and will not need to mobilise. They are crushing Ukraine on the battlefield. Spend some time doing some independent research and you’ll see the truth.

In comparison things are going horribly wrong for Ukraine and NATO. See my previous posts about the details but to summarise the Ukrainians have issued their fourth round of mobilisation, are losing units at a ratio of at least 1:10 and are seeing huge parts of their military and transport infrastructure destroyed. The Russians are actually ramping up their missile attacks and this is primarily because NATO keeps trying to feed this mish mash of equipment to Ukraine.

You should do some research.

Russia has always been like this. It’s why they lost to Japan in 1904-05 and why they lost to Poland in 1920-21.

Their armed forces have always been rubbish. And their soldiers have always been looting rapists first and fighters last.

 

[bones]

I’ve seen it all before with Russia.

The Su-57 isn’t even operational yet, and it won’t be until 2025 and that is if they can fix its structural problems.

I’m still waiting for the Tu-144 to enter full service!!!!

They have virtually run out of cruise missiles and are reduced to just flattening cities with artillery.

As I said, they have succeeded only in expending their least obsolete weapons, and now they are down to absolute garbage.

Yes, Ukraine uses the same Soviet era garbage and has less of it.

But Russia’s conventional forces now are a laughing stock. They have literally succeeded in disarming themselves.

On March 22/23, I can't remember the exact date, BBC and other western news outlets reporting that the Russians were running out of missiles and could only sustain precision guided attacks for a few more days. Well during this week the Russians launched multiple missiles on targets all across Ukraine. Bridges and rail substations were targeted and reportedly weapons depos holding western weapons.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/03/world/europe/lviv-ukraine-russia-missiles.html?smid=url-copy

If the Russians are running out of missiles, how is it that they are ramping up their attacks with them?

 

[bones]

I saw a few videos like these a couple of weeks ago when hundreds surrendered. Seems like the Russians are making huge breakthroughs again. The Ukranian defence is brave but futile against such overwhelming firepower.

https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1522464744866734082?s=20&t=2S9cMLI-bsdZnel5Y34ziA

 

[90MPH]

It’s good to see more people speaking up in this thread telling the truth on what a giganatic failure this war campaign has been for the Russians because all it takes is a couple of propagandists to muddy the water and give a totally skewed picture of what is happening in reality.

Also what does someone’s ethnicity have anything to do with giving an opinion ? Yeah absolutely nothing but when you can’t challenge facts just attack the messenger as knowing where they come from means they lose credibility, apparently.

So anyway what’s become clear in the last 2 months is that Russia isn’t the millitary superpower it claimed it was, or wanted to think it was.
Their millitary equipment hasn’t been upgraded to what it should have been, they are Soviet era junk that has become cannon fodder for any modern anti tank missile or artillery fire.

 

[MenInG]

It’s good to see more people speaking up in this thread telling the truth on what a giganatic failure this war campaign has been for the Russians because all it takes is a couple of propagandists to muddy the water and give a totally skewed picture of what is happening in reality.

Also what does someone’s ethnicity have anything to do with giving an opinion ? Yeah absolutely nothing but when you can’t challenge facts just attack the messenger as knowing where they come from means they lose credibility, apparently.

So anyway what’s become clear in the last 2 months is that Russia isn’t the millitary superpower it claimed it was, or wanted to think it was.
Their millitary equipment hasn’t been upgraded to what it should have been, they are Soviet era junk that has become cannon fodder for any modern anti tank missile or artillery fire.

Military aspects dont concern me.

The human cost is immeasurable.

 

[cpleigh]

Looks like Russia has lost another of their top warships in the Black sea. The Admiral Makarov.

Very impressive how they are losing their best ships against a country with no Navy.

 

[cpleigh]

I saw a few videos like these a couple of weeks ago when hundreds surrendered. Seems like the Russians are making huge breakthroughs again. The Ukranian defence is brave but futile against such overwhelming firepower.

https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1522464744866734082?s=20&t=2S9cMLI-bsdZnel5Y34ziA

And people could link you up to countless videos of Russians deserting en masse, or intercepted messages of elite Russian soldiers refusing to fight and going home.

But you won't believe them, so i'm not going to believe a video of Ukranian soldiers, who seem to be struggling to even speak Ukranian in the video from a pro Russian journo

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Russia has lost roughly 30% of its most modern equipment, and 20% of its troops.

The mission to disarm Ukraine has basically resulted in Russia disarming itself.

Now they have to re-activate even more obsolete equipment and call up conscripts.

Yes pretty much - their situation reminds me of the cruel joke about the special olympics where 'even if you win you are still .......'

Even if Russia 'wins' they gain nothing.

 

[sweep_shot]

What happened to the Chechen fighters? Are they still fighting?

It seems like both Russia and Ukraine have lost a lot of troops.

 

[bones]

And people could link you up to countless videos of Russians deserting en masse, or intercepted messages of elite Russian soldiers refusing to fight and going home.

But you won't believe them, so i'm not going to believe a video of Ukranian soldiers, who seem to be struggling to even speak Ukranian in the video from a pro Russian journo

I have no doubt there were plenty of videos of captured Russian soldiers. I have seen them myself. But I have no seen a single video of a Russian platoon level surrender/capture.

About two weeks ago there were 3 seperate mass surrenders by Ukraine recorded by Russian state TV. One batallion level and two company level.

Please show me in the last 3 weeks any single video of a mass surrender or capture of Russian forces at this same level.

 

[bones]

What happened to the Chechen fighters? Are they still fighting?

It seems like both Russia and Ukraine have lost a lot of troops.

The Russians lost a lot of troops in Phase 1. The Ukranians lost between 3 and 4 times more.

In phase 2 the Russians are losing at max 20-30 soldiers a day. The Ukranians are losing at least 10 times more. I have provided quotes and sources from various military men who explain this in more detail.

The Chechens are still fighting, they've moved further north as part of the task to close the cauldron.

 

[cpleigh]

What happened to the Chechen fighters? Are they still fighting?

It seems like both Russia and Ukraine have lost a lot of troops.

The Chechens aren't fighting, just making videos on Tik Tok for their own propaganda audience.

There was a video last week of one of them getting blown up whilst making one

 

[bones]

America and the west are sending a lot of small arms that are failing to fire or detonating before hitting the target. The Ukranians have no hesitation leaving behind these small arms. Just search for "Russian trophies" and then "Ukranian trophies" on social media to get an idea.

Has it occured to anyone how the Ukranians will maintain all these western supplied heavy weaponry if it somehow does make it to the frontline?

 

[cpleigh]

The Russians lost a lot of troops in Phase 1. The Ukranians lost between 3 and 4 times more.

In phase 2 the Russians are losing at max 20-30 soldiers a day. The Ukranians are losing at least 10 times more. I have provided quotes and sources from various military men who explain this in more detail.

The Chechens are still fighting, they've moved further north as part of the task to close the cauldron.

you haven't provided anything have you? if you really believe a defensive force is losing 10 x the amount of men then you are deluded, I mean you are anyway as been shown throughout this thread.

20-30 soldiers a day Laughable.

 

[bones]

you haven't provided anything have you? if you really believe a defensive force is losing 10 x the amount of men then you are deluded, I mean you are anyway as been shown throughout this thread.

20-30 soldiers a day Laughable.

The Ukranians have gone through their fourth wave of mobilisation. The Russians haven't even gone through the first. That in itself should tell you enough. As some Ukranian PoW have said in a recent interview: Ukraine had the number to defend but they didn't have the equipment or technology. For ever piece of artillery they fire right now, it's more than 20 fired by the Russians. The Russians are not running out of artillery or ammuniton for it. Ukraine can't get any to the frontlines.

I am really interested to see how the western MSM tells the public that Russia are winning when their lies are no longer sustainable.

 

[Pakpak]

Driven back from Kyiv
Stuck in Eastern Ukraine for months now, most of it which they had before anyway
This is huge gains according to bones

 

[silentkiller187]

Ukraine war: Mariupol steelworks battle 'frustrating' Russian plans to capture Donbas, says UK Ministry of Defence


The Russian assault on the last defenders at Mariupol's steelworks will continue to hold back its plans to control the Donbas region, according to the UK Ministry of Defence.

It is estimated around 2,000 Ukrainian fighters are underneath the Azovstal plant - the last pocket of resistance in a city almost completely destroyed.

A new attempt to evacuate the few hundred civilians still thought to be trapped was under way on Friday, according to the head of Ukraine's presidential staff.

President Zelenskyy has said more than 150 people from the plant and more than 300 from the suburbs have been evacuated this week.

Live Ukraine updates - Russia denies it will use nuclear weapons

The ground assault on the steelworks continued for a second day on Thursday, the MoD said in its latest update.

It said the renewed attacks were probably an attempt by President Putin to finally capture Mariupol and have a "symbolic success" ahead of Russia's Victory Day commemorations on 9 May.

However, it said the steelworks battle had come at a "personnel, equipment and munitions cost to Russia" and that, as long as Ukraine holds out, the losses will "continue to build and frustrate their operational plans in southern Donbas".

Russia recently launched a new push to take the eastern Donbas region after pulling out of areas around the capital Kyiv.

Capturing Mariupol would free up troops to bolster that goal.

Speaking in the early hours of Friday, President Zelenskyy said Russia was continuing to hammer the steelworks despite the presence of civilians, who are trapped in awful conditions.

"Currently, Russian shelling and assault of Azovstal do not stop, but civilians still need to be taken out - women, children, many children who are still there," he said.

"Just imagine this hell. And there are children.

"More than two months of constant shelling, bombing, constant death nearby."

He praised the city's Ukrainian defenders, saying that many of them are wounded "but they do not give up - they are holding positions".

Steelworks fighters will 'stand till the end'

Kateryna Prokopenko, wife of Azov Regiment commander Denys Prokopenko, told the Associated Press that her husband and others fighting for the city would "stand till the end".

"They only hope for a miracle," she said after speaking with him by phone. "They won't surrender."

She said her husband had told her he would love her forever, adding: "I am going mad from this. It seemed like words of goodbye."

Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to Ukraine's Internal Affairs Ministry, said that the Russians were storming the tunnels, with the help of a "betrayer" - a Ukrainian electrician who worked at the site and knew the layout.

Russia has denied its troops are storming the plant. It previously said it would only try to seal off the area.

Before the war, Mariupol had a population of about 400,000, but this has fallen to around 100,000 in recent weeks, with those remaining facing a daily struggle with severe shortages of food, clean water, and electricity.

Aid has not been able to reach the city and evacuating civilians has been extremely difficult.

Taking the strategically-important port city would give Russia its first major success in a war that has seen its military fail to gain the upper hand against ferocious Ukrainian defence.

Ten weeks in, Ukraine said late on Thursday that it had made gains on the borders of Kherson and Mykolaiv in the south, and repelled Russian attacks in the east.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...e-donbas-says-uk-ministry-of-defence-12606381

 

[James]

Two reasons James

1 . The western media is totally bias & producing outright falsehoods. Which is why I said also seek independent news .

2. People are tribal in nature , it’s difficult for many to not accept a different narrative no matter the evidence . It’s not wrong to go against your government’s & media if evidence is to the contrary

Jesus (pbuh) said Speak the truth & the truth shall free you .

I don’t quite follow your point I’m sorry.
I am asking why the opinions of “English people” are being undermined, not through an evidence based argument but because of their nationality and ethnicity, and via an ad hominem / non sequitur approach?

 

[James]

Yes pretty much - their situation reminds me of the cruel joke about the special olympics where 'even if you win you are still .......'

Even if Russia 'wins' they gain nothing.

‘War doesn't make winners, only widows.’

 

[bones]

Driven back from Kyiv
Stuck in Eastern Ukraine for months now, most of it which they had before anyway
This is huge gains according to bones

Unfortunately people just don't appreciate the kind of territory at play here and the number of forces. This isn't a video game where you can make huge moves without defence non stop.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don’t quite follow your point I’m sorry.
I am asking why the opinions of “English people” are being undermined, not through an evidence based argument but because of their nationality and ethnicity, and via an ad hominem / non sequitur approach?

Its not the ethnicity, brown and black people are English too in case you forgot. Its location of residence.

Majority of those living in the west find it hard to accept their governments are not the good guys, Nato is a terrorist organistaion and Putin and Russia have the same security rights/concerns as they would.

Lets put it to the test. You are English, living in England. Do you believe UK government now and in the past 20 years have been the good guys in their foriegn policy.?

If you're struggling to understand this simple point, not much I can do to help further.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Let’s be precise about this.

The Ukrainian armed forces include one far right battalion, the Azov Brigade, with 2,500 men.

Their nonsensical racial superiority ideology is identical to that of the Russian armed forces, which use Asian Russians as cannon fodder and only promote whites to Officer status. (How many Asian cities in Russia hosted the 2018 World Cup?)

There is no reason to consider either the Ukrainian government or the rest of the Ukrainian armed forces to have right-wing ideology at all, given that their government is actually centre-left in its political stance?

lol.

You think this is precise?

Neo Nazis are INTEGRAL in many parts of Ukrainian society, from the national guard, to politicians to every level of Ukranian military and government. Read the thread back for evidence.

But even if there were only 2500, which is a number only brainwashed person would bring up, why support even ONE Nazi? Would you support 2500 ISIS if they were fighting England or Australia?

 

[James]

Its not the ethnicity, brown and black people are English too in case you forgot. Its location of residence.

Majority of those living in the west find it hard to accept their governments are not the good guys, Nato is a terrorist organistaion and Putin and Russia have the same security rights/concerns as they would.

<b>Lets put it to the test. You are English, living in England. Do you believe UK government now and in the past 20 years have been the good guys in their foriegn policy.?</b>

If you're struggling to understand this simple point, not much I can do to help further.

Ok.

Re: the bold. Mostly not. I think the UK have been the bad guys, particularly with Iraq.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ok.

Re: the bold. Mostly not. I think the UK have been the bad guys, particularly with Iraq.

Thanks. We both know this is the truth but we also know this is rejected by the majority of Brits because of patriotic tribalism.

I would never support Britain, Pakistan or Muslims if they are in the wrong.

 

[James]

Thanks. We both know this is the truth but we also know this is rejected by the majority of Brits because of patriotic tribalism.

I would never support Britain, Pakistan or Muslims if they are in the wrong.

I support Britain, Russia and the US for defeating Nazi Germany in WW2. But I can’t think of many military endeavours since 1945 (after Russia were split away) wherein the Western powers were unambiguously in the right. Often as with Vietnam and Iraq they were firmly and badly in the wrong.

 

[cpleigh]

Its not the ethnicity, brown and black people are English too in case you forgot. Its location of residence.

Majority of those living in the west find it hard to accept their governments are not the good guys, Nato is a terrorist organistaion and Putin and Russia have the same security rights/concerns as they would.

Lets put it to the test. You are English, living in England. Do you believe UK government now and in the past 20 years have been the good guys in their foriegn policy.?

If you're struggling to understand this simple point, not much I can do to help further.

no, we got involved with an illegal war in Iraq. The vast majority of the uk were against and protested. But NATO isn't a terrorist group, stop being ridiculous.

Can i ask what secriuty concerns does Russia have? When has the 'west' invaded or attacked? Are you confusing Russia with Putin and his mafia cronies?

'blah blah blah... the Yanks were creating Bio labs in Ukraine targeting Slavs... blah blah blah...'

Like the US needed to do that in Ukraine if they wanted to, 5 NATO countries share a border with Russia, soon to be 6.

Have you actually asked yourself why are the ex soviet states are desperate to join NATO?

 

[mazkhan]

Unfortunately people just don't appreciate the kind of territory at play here and the number of forces. This isn't a video game where you can make huge moves without defence non stop.

We do appreciate the territory because ukraine is a huge country that's why it was folly to invade from the start.

Since russian weapon systems are basically glorified scrap this war is costing them they simply don't have the technological prowess usa has hence why they are struggling on the battlefield and their tactics are reminiscent of ww2 type doctrine and not modern technological warfare that relies on airpower intelligence and precision .

 

[Browncaps]

I read somewhere that the purpose of NATO was to break the Soviet Union, interesting that they are still around some 30 years later.

 

[cpleigh]

I read somewhere that the purpose of NATO was to break the Soviet Union, interesting that they are still around some 30 years later.

Not true actually. The treaty of Dunkirk was signed between France and the UK in res;onse to Sovite expansion.

NATO was formed in 1949 in response to the Soviet Union taking over 7 European countries

 

[KingKhanWC]

no, we got involved with an illegal war in Iraq. The vast majority of the uk were against and protested. But NATO isn't a terrorist group, stop being ridiculous.

Can i ask what secriuty concerns does Russia have? When has the 'west' invaded or attacked? Are you confusing Russia with Putin and his mafia cronies?

'blah blah blah... the Yanks were creating Bio labs in Ukraine targeting Slavs... blah blah blah...'

Like the US needed to do that in Ukraine if they wanted to, 5 NATO countries share a border with Russia, soon to be 6.

Have you actually asked yourself why are the ex soviet states are desperate to join NATO?

You need to try other sources than BBC

Nato is the biggest terrorist organisation in history. Just in the last 2 decades Nato has destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria causing hundreds of millions into desperation. There are many other immoral operations I could list too. If Russia or China attacks ONE nation nowhere near their borders, people like yourself would be crying over their aggression but when your own are much much worse, you look for excuses lol.

Again , read the thread, Im not here to repeat daily for people in denial. In 2014 the elected government of Ukraine was taken down in a coup by a NAto terrorist operation, employing Nazis as snipers to shoot dead civilians and police. Nato then installed their puppet, who has been paid over $1billion. Nato then trained Nazis and others to attack Eastern Ukraine for 7 years before Putin had no choice but to defend them as on its border this was a security threat.

Its ok you wont get it.

 

[bones]

We do appreciate the territory because ukraine is a huge country that's why it was folly to invade from the start.

Since russian weapon systems are basically glorified scrap this war is costing them they simply don't have the technological prowess usa has hence why they are struggling on the battlefield and their tactics are reminiscent of ww2 type doctrine and not modern technological warfare that relies on airpower intelligence and precision .

Putin and Russia tried over and over through diplomatic efforts to resolve the Ukrainian problem but the west and neo Nazis blocked Minsk 1 and then 2. They had no choice but to invade.

The Russians and the Ukrainian soldiers on the ground have commented on how unreliable and fragile western supplied small arms are. Half them them don’t fire at all and a quarter detonate before reaching the target. So the idea that western weapons are vastly superior isn’t reflected on the ground.

Western heavy weapons are not reaching the frontline yet but a military man explained on tv recently that Russia has probably the best artillery in the world. It’s not the first time I’ve heard this.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-army’s-artillery-outmatched-russia’s-big-guns-107526

You say that Russia is technologically outmatched by the US but please tell me who has successfully used hypersonic missiles? Who are the only ones who have this technology?

Other areas where Russia are doing well is their AA. Bayraktars no longer seen. Precision missiles are hitting targets all over.

 

[JaDed]

Driven back from Kyiv
Stuck in Eastern Ukraine for months now, most of it which they had before anyway
This is huge gains according to bones

) nailed it . I don’t know even know how can one argue against that logic.