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One thing is for certain there is a reason why West is so much smarter at planning 20-40 years down the line and Russia clearly isn’t, time and again Russia ends up being on wrong side of the history when it’s actually doing well.
 
You need to try other sources than BBC :wg

Nato is the biggest terrorist organisation in history. Just in the last 2 decades Nato has destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria causing hundreds of millions into desperation. There are many other immoral operations I could list too. If Russia or China attacks ONE nation nowhere near their borders, people like yourself would be crying over their aggression but when your own are much much worse, you look for excuses lol.

Again , read the thread, Im not here to repeat daily for people in denial. In 2014 the elected government of Ukraine was taken down in a coup by a NAto terrorist operation, employing Nazis as snipers to shoot dead civilians and police. Nato then installed their puppet, who has been paid over $1billion. Nato then trained Nazis and others to attack Eastern Ukraine for 7 years before Putin had no choice but to defend them as on its border this was a security threat.

Its ok you wont get it.

why do you keep going on about the BBC? And just to be very clear on this..

Nato had zero involvement in Iraq or Syria, ZERO. NATO also only got involved in Libya and Afghanistan at the request of the United NAtions. They didn't either.

And a massive LOL at Syria... not that theres much left of it after RUSSIA flattened it and chemicaly attacked it
 
According to Russian social media, part of the reason they are moving slowly is the sheer amount of land mines planted. There is footage of these de-mining teams in operation seems like the Ukrainians planted them long ago because there wouldn’t be enough time right now.
 
Bones

Listen in kargil war we pakistanis had advantage we had the heights and were well dug in

India cut of the heights and then used mirage 2000 jets and bofors artillery with precision and captured those heights against pakistani troops who were mainly from mountainous areas so used to cold and altitude . Like the russians we also had a pathetic general in musharraf only difference being russian generals are braver and on the frontline and sacrificing their lives .

Now I'm gonna ask you why is russia struggling to cut of the donbas and its artillery and airpower failing to dislodge the ukranians quickly why is this war dragging on and is now being admitted by the Belarusian president.
 
It so obvious the Western Sheep are in full flow.

Not a word on the Ruble spanking world currencies and the audacity for the sheep to claim Russian economy is in the pits. Sheer delightful ignorance and desperation.
 
why do you keep going on about the BBC? And just to be very clear on this..

Nato had zero involvement in Iraq or Syria, ZERO. NATO also only got involved in Libya and Afghanistan at the request of the United NAtions. They didn't either.

And a massive LOL at Syria... not that theres much left of it after RUSSIA flattened it and chemicaly attacked it

lol. You really are very ignorant

Only last year NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg will expand its functions in Iraq.

lol because UN asked, it doesnt mean it wasnt terrorism.

Russia saved Syria from NAto terrorism. Nato supported terrorists openly, they where sent to hell.

People like you make a million excuses no matter how many children are bombed to death but when another nation is defending themselves rightly, you start crying over aggression.

Embarrassing to debate such foolish claims.
 
Now I'm gonna ask you why is russia struggling to cut of the donbas and its artillery and airpower failing to dislodge the ukranians quickly why is this war dragging on and is now being admitted by the Belarusian president.

Why do you say they are struggling? Other than the odd tank or armoured vehicle being destroyed the Russians are inflicting heavy damage to Ukraine who have just gone through their 4th round of mobilisation.

The Russians are not losing men in the same way they did in phase 1 and it’s deliberate. They are winning by every measure there is.

The Ukrainians have had years to fortify their positions the idea that Russia is struggling is part of the nonsense they feed.
 
lol.

You think this is precise?

Neo Nazis are INTEGRAL in many parts of Ukrainian society, from the national guard, to politicians to every level of Ukranian military and government. Read the thread back for evidence.

But even if there were only 2500, which is a number only brainwashed person would bring up, why support even ONE Nazi? Would you support 2500 ISIS if they were fighting England or Australia?

When you are in a fight for your very existence you align yourself with anyone who can protect you.

Stalin’s USSR aligned with Hitler’s Nazis in 1939, and invaded Eastern Poland itself.

Churchill aligned with Stalin’s USSR in 1941.

The Azov Battalion only joined the Ukrainian armed forces AFTER Russia illegally annexed Crimea in 2014.

In both 2014 and 2022 Russia attacked Ukraine. The Ukrainians are entitled to fight Russia using whoever they want, wherever they can, from Murmansk to Vladivostok via Moscow.

And given that Russia’s government is blatantly ultra-nationalist, the only government of the two with Nazi tendencies is Russia’s, not Ukraine’s.

But we don’t need NATO to directly fight Russia to deNazify and Disarm Russia, because Putin’s crass stupidity, pig ignorance and grossly incompetent decision making is doing it for us!
 
Russian rouble so mighty and strong and yet they pay in $ not risking default.
 
Ukraine has hit another ship in the black sea the admiral makarov

This is getting beyond embarrassing
 
When you are in a fight for your very existence you align yourself with anyone who can protect you.

Stalin’s USSR aligned with Hitler’s Nazis in 1939, and invaded Eastern Poland itself.

Churchill aligned with Stalin’s USSR in 1941.

The Azov Battalion only joined the Ukrainian armed forces AFTER Russia illegally annexed Crimea in 2014.

In both 2014 and 2022 Russia attacked Ukraine. The Ukrainians are entitled to fight Russia using whoever they want, wherever they can, from Murmansk to Vladivostok via Moscow.

And given that Russia’s government is blatantly ultra-nationalist, the only government of the two with Nazi tendencies is Russia’s, not Ukraine’s.

But we don’t need NATO to directly fight Russia to deNazify and Disarm Russia, because Putin’s crass stupidity, pig ignorance and grossly incompetent decision making is doing it for us!

Crimeans voted for independence, over 90% choose this.

Again Azov are not just one battaliion, they are the National Guard, google it to understand what this means. Nazis are also ingrained in every part of Ukraines military and government.

You miss the fact in 2014 the elected leader of Ukraine was ousted in a violent coup designed by Nato with Nazis given the go ahead to shoot dead civilians.

You support Natos destruction of nations which were in the middle east but are now crying when Russia is defending its security. You have as much credibility as an Englishman living in Austrlia claiming he is a Kiwi.
 
What happened to the Chechen fighters? Are they still fighting?

It seems like both Russia and Ukraine have lost a lot of troops.

Chechens have wiped out thousands of Nazis in Eastern Ukraine.

Remember when the Nazis were lacing their weapons with Pigs Blood. It didnt work :)))
 
I can provide many sources but here is an American confirming the Nazi presence in Ukraine isnt just a couple of thousand in the so called Azov brigade.

 
This is the logic of the sheep on this thread. Russia take out the fuel and transport infrastructure that’s a minor victory and not worth mentioning. Ukraine destroy a ship, it’s a massive win and it will change the outcome of the war.

Do you think Ukraine wouldn’t swap the situation around in a heartbeat?
 
Crimeans voted for independence, over 90% choose this.

Again Azov are not just one battaliion, they are the National Guard, google it to understand what this means. Nazis are also ingrained in every part of Ukraines military and government.

You miss the fact in 2014 the elected leader of Ukraine was ousted in a violent coup designed by Nato with Nazis given the go ahead to shoot dead civilians.

You support Natos destruction of nations which were in the middle east but are now crying when Russia is defending its security. You have as much credibility as an Englishman living in Austrlia claiming he is a Kiwi.

wrong actually, they voted to become part of Russia. They were only given 2 choices on the referendum:

Join Russia or go back to the 1992 constitution, which would have meant independence and no future.

They weren't given the choice to stay in Ukraine as it was
 
This is the logic of the sheep on this thread. Russia take out the fuel and transport infrastructure that’s a minor victory and not worth mentioning. Ukraine destroy a ship, it’s a massive win and it will change the outcome of the war.

Do you think Ukraine wouldn’t swap the situation around in a heartbeat?

ha ha ha, a so called world super power deserves praise for hitting fuel depots? the same army that should have full air superioty (they dont), should have full control of the seas (they dont) and should npw be in charge of kyiv.

its a shambles
 
lol. You really are very ignorant

Only last year NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg will expand its functions in Iraq.

lol because UN asked, it doesnt mean it wasnt terrorism.

Russia saved Syria from NAto terrorism. Nato supported terrorists openly, they where sent to hell.

People like you make a million excuses no matter how many children are bombed to death but when another nation is defending themselves rightly, you start crying over aggression.

Embarrassing to debate such foolish claims.

you forgot to mention 'at the request of the iraq government' and its just an advisory mission.

ah so you are now making a million excuses for countless children being bombed to death in Ukraine and Syria by Russia? but thats ok, because Russia is protecting themselves against all those Ukranian and Syrian attacks against the Rodina?

or maybe your warped hatred of NATO is clouding your judgement?

to be clear.. are you saying Ukrainian children are less important than Iraqi ones?
 
There is a profound ignorance being displayed by posters suggesting that the BBC is somehow acting as a UK government propaganda tool.

Firstly, what’s the erstwhile motive? The British government is terrified of ending up in a nuclear conflict and would almost certainly have preferred this to be an ignored and forgotten conflict like Abkhazia or Transnistria. Extensive reporting on the twin predictable features (Russian atrocities and Russian military incompetence) actually creates pressure for western nations to do what they don’t actually want to do.

Secondly, this is something I have strong links to. My first girlfriend was the daughter of the legendary Liverpudlian Russianist Ian Leverton - look him up - who via Manchester Grammar School and Pembroke College at Cambridge University was the father of an entire generation of British Russianists. Martin Sixsmith is the most famous Leverton alumnus.

This Golden Age of British Russiansim led to the BBC’s Russian output being of a uniquely high level of sophistication, which is hardly going to be discarded for cheap political propaganda.

The reality is that British Russianists like Martin Sixsmith understand both Russia and Ukraine considerably better than either Putin or Zelenskyy do.

They knew that the Russian logistics would fail. They always do.

They knew that the Russian soldiers would be badly led and disloyal as soon as they saw that they were just disposable cannon fodder. They always are.

They knew that whereas Ukraine would field highly motivated ethnic Ukrainians and Russians in battle, Russia would primarily field impoverished and semi-trained Asian soldiers, and when they were killed they would resort to Syrian and Libyan mercenaries and geriatric Wagner psychopaths. And they did.

Follow Kamil Galeev on Twitter. It’s fascinating how similar his observations are to those of the British Russianists.

In conventional battle terms, we are watching the equivalent of a football match between Russia and Croatia. One side has 140 million people, the other has 3 million. But there is just no quality on the Russian side, and although they tried to play positive football for a few minutes, they were outclassed and now they are just reduced to kicking the opposition and hoping that Luka Modric gets injured.
 
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Crimeans voted for independence, over 90% choose this.

You have as much credibility as an Englishman living in Austrlia claiming he is a Kiwi.
It boggles my mind that you swallow all this Russian propaganda.

The Crimean Sham Referendum failed to offer the choice of remaining part of Ukraine. The two choices - both unlawful - were join Russia or be independent.

You can bet your life that the 80% of the populations of Luhansk and Donetsk who chose to flee Russian domination these last few years and move to Lviv, Kyiv and Kharkiv won’t be allowed to vote in a Russian Sham Referendum because the Russians know they would vote for the Donbas to remain Ukrainian.

Zelenskyy is a Russian-speaking Jewish Citizen of Ukraine. Which makes it so absurd that he is accused of anti-Russian atrocities and being a Nazi.

But some people’s hatred of the west - and we certainly have done plenty wrong in the past - somehow makes them see the good guys as the bad guys in this, and to believe the most ludicrous Russian propaganda.
 
There is a profound ignorance being displayed by posters suggesting that the BBC is somehow acting as a UK government propaganda tool.

Firstly, what’s the erstwhile motive? The British government is terrified of ending up in a nuclear conflict and would almost certainly have preferred this to be an ignored and forgotten conflict like Abkhazia or Transnistria. Extensive reporting on the twin predictable features (Russian atrocities and Russian military incompetence) actually creates pressure for western nations to do what they don’t actually want to do.

Secondly, this is something I have strong links to. My first girlfriend was the daughter of the legendary Liverpudlian Russianist Ian Leverton - look him up - who via Manchester Grammar School and Pembroke College at Cambridge University was the father of an entire generation of British Russianists. Martin Sixsmith is the most famous Leverton alumnus.

This Golden Age of British Russiansim led to the BBC’s Russian output being of a uniquely high level of sophistication, which is hardly going to be discarded for cheap political propaganda.

The reality is that British Russianists like Martin Sixsmith understand both Russia and Ukraine considerably better than either Putin or Zelenskyy do.

They knew that the Russian logistics would fail. They always do.

They knew that the Russian soldiers would be badly led and disloyal as soon as they saw that they were just disposable cannon fodder. They always are.

They knew that whereas Ukraine would field highly motivated ethnic Ukrainians and Russians in battle, Russia would primarily field impoverished and semi-trained Asian soldiers, and when they were killed they would resort to Syrian and Libyan mercenaries and geriatric Wagner psychopaths. And they did.

Follow Kamil Galeev on Twitter. It’s fascinating how similar his observations are to those of the British Russianists.

In conventional battle terms, we are watching the equivalent of a football match between Russia and Croatia. One side has 140 million people, the other has 3 million. But there is just no quality on the Russian side, and although they tried to play positive football for a few minutes, they were outclassed and now they are just reduced to kicking the opposition and hoping that Luka Modric gets injured.

The people that are constantly crapping on the BBC are the same people who are giving the most authoritarian state propaganda like RT a total pass.

BBC is by no means is perfect but they have produced some excellent journalism over the years.
Russia Today in comparison is a total joke that spews nothing but Pro Putin propaganda.
 
The people that are constantly crapping on the BBC are the same people who are giving the most authoritarian state propaganda like RT a total pass.

BBC is by no means is perfect but they have produced some excellent journalism over the years.
Russia Today in comparison is a total joke that spews nothing but Pro Putin propaganda.

Name a single person here who used RT as a reference.
 
ha ha ha, a so called world super power deserves praise for hitting fuel depots? the same army that should have full air superioty (they dont), should have full control of the seas (they dont) and should npw be in charge of kyiv.

its a shambles

They don’t have air and water superiority?

Please explain how the Russians have been able to perform 300+ sorties a day whilst the Ukrainians only 5-10.

We only see Russian ships in the Black Sea. If the Russians don’t have control of the water where are the Ukrainian ships?

Do you understand how important the supply and transport links are? If there is no fuel how will the AFU achieve mobility? If there is no transport link how will the weapons and ammunition get to the frontline?
 
You support Natos destruction of nations which were in the middle east but are now crying when Russia is defending its security. i.

Oh I see.

So Russia, which has already illegally seized Crimea and parts of Donbas, is entitled to "defend its security by flattening Ukrainian cities", stealing property and raping civilians.

But Ukraine, which has a legitimate argument for invading the Russia which seized Crimea and Donbas, has no legitimate rights?

By your logic, India is entitled to reduce Lahore and Karachi to rubble, loot houses of any valuable property and to rape any Pakistani females that its soldiers find attractive.

This is acceptable under Russian-style logic because Pakistan used to be part of India, and has failed to prevent attacks on Hindus and Christians and has laws criminalising blasphemy.

Having driven the populations of Lahore and Karachi out, India can then hold Russian-style Sham Referenda for those cities to return to Indian sovereignty.

Pakistan, like Ukraine, would have no rights in terms of self-defence.

Do you really think that that is fair? How does that feel?
 
Oh I see.

So Russia, which has already illegally seized Crimea and parts of Donbas, is entitled to "defend its security by flattening Ukrainian cities", stealing property and raping civilians.

But Ukraine, which has a legitimate argument for invading the Russia which seized Crimea and Donbas, has no legitimate rights?

By your logic, India is entitled to reduce Lahore and Karachi to rubble, loot houses of any valuable property and to rape any Pakistani females that its soldiers find attractive.

This is acceptable under Russian-style logic because Pakistan used to be part of India, and has failed to prevent attacks on Hindus and Christians and has laws criminalising blasphemy.

Having driven the populations of Lahore and Karachi out, India can then hold Russian-style Sham Referenda for those cities to return to Indian sovereignty.

Pakistan, like Ukraine, would have no rights in terms of self-defence.

Do you really think that that is fair? How does that feel?

Do you have evidence of Russia committing war crimes under the definition of international law? For it to be confirmed as such the ICC would have to open up and complete an independent investigation. So please provide your proof of these murders and rapes.

As usual we have a post describing what they think is just/unjust but not a single mention of the first or second Minsk Accords.

The Russians gave the Ukrainians and the Americans chance after chance with diplomacy. It wasn’t the Russians who broke the Minsk Accords.
 
Do you have evidence of Russia committing war crimes under the definition of international law? For it to be confirmed as such the ICC would have to open up and complete an independent investigation. So please provide your proof of these murders and rapes.

As usual we have a post describing what they think is just/unjust but not a single mention of the first or second Minsk Accords.

The Russians gave the Ukrainians and the Americans chance after chance with diplomacy. It wasn’t the Russians who broke the Minsk Accords.

well it was when they invaded Ukraine. You know that very well. Don't honestly tell me that Russia withdrew all troops and heavy weaponary from the Donbas either
 
They don’t have air and water superiority?

Please explain how the Russians have been able to perform 300+ sorties a day whilst the Ukrainians only 5-10.

We only see Russian ships in the Black Sea. If the Russians don’t have control of the water where are the Ukrainian ships?

Do you understand how important the supply and transport links are? If there is no fuel how will the AFU achieve mobility? If there is no transport link how will the weapons and ammunition get to the frontline?

you seem to keep believing that only you know how war works. Its very bizare. Of course i'm aware armies need fuel and weapons, but at the rate they are arriving into ukraine a 'few' attacks on them won't make any difference.

The Yanks would have pummeled them in the first 72 hours and after a week no new weapons would have been coming into Ukraine.
 
well it was when they invaded Ukraine. You know that very well. Don't honestly tell me that Russia withdrew all troops and heavy weaponary from the Donbas either

The Russians had intel and it’s being circulated for a while that AFU with NATO command was going to launch an assault on the Donbas militias in early March. The Russians made their move first.

The Russians were not going to sit idly by and let their people continue to be persecuted.

All AFU had to do was stay neutral and leave the people of Donbas alone.
 
you seem to keep believing that only you know how war works. Its very bizare. Of course i'm aware armies need fuel and weapons, but at the rate they are arriving into ukraine a 'few' attacks on them won't make any difference.

The Yanks would have pummeled them in the first 72 hours and after a week no new weapons would have been coming into Ukraine.

Discussing war with armchair experts like you is repetitive and boring.

How will these weapons move from the west to the frontline in Donbas?

The Russians are not targeting the weapons- they have taken out the railway system and destroyed bridges to prevent the weapons getting anywhere near the frontline.

Please spend some time reading up independent coverage. Heck if don’t believe them then spend some time on military forums like defencepk.
 
<b>Discussing war with armchair experts like you is repetitive and boring.</b>

How will these weapons move from the west to the frontline in Donbas?

The Russians are not targeting the weapons- they have taken out the railway system and destroyed bridges to prevent the weapons getting anywhere near the frontline.

Please spend some time reading up independent coverage. Heck if don’t believe them then spend some time on military forums like defencepk.

Are you a non-armchair expert bro ?
 
Are you a non-armchair expert bro ?

I’m not an expert which is why I refer to military men.

Every military man who is not a paid puppet says the same thing. Russia during phase 1 shaped the battlefield because they were outnumbered 3 to 1. They suffered heavy losses but factored them in.

In phase 2 they are using all of their strengths to slowly grind the AFU in the Donbas down. The Russian artillery is the best in the world and it’s wreaking havoc.

Any time spent doing independent research will lead everyone to the same conclusion.
 
In the last few days I have seen both the Ukrainians and the Russians on the ground state that the small arms provided are not effective.

The west give the impression they are sending game changing equipment but it’s my opinion that they are clearing out their old/expired stuff.

The Ukrainians have said that the NLAWs and javelins are really bad to the point where they ditched them and used the Swedish and Soviet ATGMs.

I also saw on the Duran a few days ago that the west are training officers in Poland, but the training is being fast tracked.
 
In the last few days I have seen both the Ukrainians and the Russians on the ground state that the small arms provided are not effective.

The west give the impression they are sending game changing equipment but it’s my opinion that they are clearing out their old/expired stuff.

The Ukrainians have said that the NLAWs and javelins are really bad to the point where they ditched them and used the Swedish and Soviet ATGMs.

I also saw on the Duran a few days ago that the west are training officers in Poland, but the training is being fast tracked.

now i know you are chatting complete wham. The Javelin has gained almost mythical status in Ukraine with the damage its down to Russian tanks. Its been called 'saint Javelin' the Ukranians have even made a poster with a saint holding it.
 
now i know you are chatting complete wham. The Javelin has gained almost mythical status in Ukraine with the damage its down to Russian tanks. Its been called 'saint Javelin' the Ukranians have even made a poster with a saint holding it.

As I said this is coming from Ukranians and Russians. Please look on social media for the interviews there are plenty. There was a video I saw a couple of weeks ago where a former CIA guy was explaining the Javelins in great detail. At that time the Americans had sent 7000 of their 25000 javelins to Ukraine. Most of these are old and would have been upgraded. The upgrade is to the electronics. As a result of this many fail to launch. This echoes what the Ukranian PoWs have said too.

"Saint javelin"? Lol is this from the same script writers who wrote the myth of the Ghost of Kiev and the Snake Island martyrs?
 
He listens to military men who all claim Russia are winning.

Whilst every other expert claims opposite.... but thats down to BBC and Sky news lies

You still haven't answered a simple question. In fact no one here has.

How will these western supplied tanks, armoed vehicles and other heavy weaponry get from the west of Ukraine to the frontline in Donbas? Usually they are ransferred by train or boat, well we know neither of those are an option. So how will these weapons get to the frontline and how will the Ukrainians maintain the supply line to them in the Donbas? According to the military men I listen to - they won't reach the Donbas frontine. According to the BBC and CNN, there is no mention of this topic - they only state they are providing the weapons.

I look forward to your answer.
 
what you fail to mention is the accounts are coming from Ukrainian POWS, who are giving interviews to Russian state media.

the mid boggles how you keep believing this rubbish. The Russian media isn't a free press
 
You still haven't answered a simple question. In fact no one here has.

How will these western supplied tanks, armoed vehicles and other heavy weaponry get from the west of Ukraine to the frontline in Donbas? Usually they are ransferred by train or boat, well we know neither of those are an option. So how will these weapons get to the frontline and how will the Ukrainians maintain the supply line to them in the Donbas? According to the military men I listen to - they won't reach the Donbas frontine. According to the BBC and CNN, there is no mention of this topic - they only state they are providing the weapons.

I look forward to your answer.

By rail or road. Russia hasn't destroyed the railways like you claim. Its attacked a few.

Germany has handed over hundreds of tank transporters
 
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By rail or road. Russia hasn't destroyed the railways like you claim. Its attacked a few.

Germany has handed over hundreds of tank transporters

Open up this link (a very pro Ukranian site), https://liveuamap.com.

We know the bulk of the AFU in Donbas are in and around the Kramatork, Slaviansk and Lisichansk region. Although there are units spread across the entire line there biggest force is locked up in that region. That is where the heavy weapons are required right? Do you think these weapons will make it there?
 
One other question I asked the people on this thread yesterday. I showed a clip of a company level Ukranian surrender just like the battalions and companies surrending in the hundreds a couple of weeks ago.

Where are the clips of hundreds of Russians being captured? I mean if Russia are doing so badly, it should be easy to dig them up right?
 
Until it was confirmed I wasn't going to make any comment on the ship apparently destroyed yesterday. According to social media it has docked at one of the ports in Crimea.

https://twitter.com/dimpenewscom1/status/1522858207718395909?s=20&t=-7mJs0F3EG6UVt4XcKa60A

Maybe it is hit and out of commission, maybe the damage can be repaired? Maybe this isn't a picture from today. Maybe, maybe maybe.

Until it's confirmed by the Pentagon and the Russian MoD, we cannot take any claims at face value.
 
Open up this link (a very pro Ukranian site), https://liveuamap.com.

We know the bulk of the AFU in Donbas are in and around the Kramatork, Slaviansk and Lisichansk region. Although there are units spread across the entire line there biggest force is locked up in that region. That is where the heavy weapons are required right? Do you think these weapons will make it there?

yes i do. Ukraine still control all the inner supply lines. Also with Ukraine now launching a big counter attack in Kharkiv, as i've said before that puts them right at the Russian border and would allow them to destroy the supply line from Russia.

Any sane army would need to transfer troops from other areas to prevent that, but again this is Russia
 
Until it was confirmed I wasn't going to make any comment on the ship apparently destroyed yesterday. According to social media it has docked at one of the ports in Crimea.

https://twitter.com/dimpenewscom1/status/1522858207718395909?s=20&t=-7mJs0F3EG6UVt4XcKa60A

Maybe it is hit and out of commission, maybe the damage can be repaired? Maybe this isn't a picture from today. Maybe, maybe maybe.

Until it's confirmed by the Pentagon and the Russian MoD, we cannot take any claims at face value.

Literally the first reply is of the current weather in Crimea which is cloud, hence proving that photo isn't from today
 
Literally the first reply is of the current weather in Crimea which is cloud, hence proving that photo isn't from today

And weather forecasts are accurate?

Let's assume you are right and this is a fake. What evidence has been brught forward confirming it was down yesterday? Did the Pentagon release any statement?
 
probably more accurate than a russian twitter feed. Nobody knows if its true or not.

They were correct last time about the Moskva though
 
[MENTION=145891]cpleigh[/MENTION] - Still waiting for footage of company and battalion level Russian surrenders. Should be easy to find surely given how badly you tell us they are doing in this invasion.
 
Its against the geneva convention to film surrending troops, again confirming Russia as a rogue state
 
Its against the geneva convention to film surrending troops, again confirming Russia as a rogue state

Given that Ukraine are doing everything humanly possible to feed more propaganda to the world I highly doubt they care about the international rules of war.

Was shooting PoWs in the legs ok according to internation rules of war?

But as I expected - no evidence of any mass surrender even at the company level.
 
Given that Ukraine are doing everything humanly possible to feed more propaganda to the world I highly doubt they care about the international rules of war.

Was shooting PoWs in the legs ok according to internation rules of war?

But as I expected - no evidence of any mass surrender even at the company level.

absolutely not, but i'd like to quote you 'show me the proof that was real'
 
One thing is for certain there is a reason why West is so much smarter at planning 20-40 years down the line and Russia clearly isn’t, time and again Russia ends up being on wrong side of the history when it’s actually doing well.

What is that reason? And if you - citizen of a low IQ country - can pinpoint the reason why West does so well, then why do you think Russia has failed to notice the same?

Could you expand on your thesis?
 
The Ukrainians are about to lose Popasnaya which was a very heavily fortified position. They are also about to have 4,000 troops encircled in the city of Severodonesk. Logic says they should retreat but some people suggest it’s 2 weeks late for that.
 
Here is further evidence of extreme anti-Russia propaganda - the annual Victory Parade celebrates the defeat of Nazi Germany whilst mourning the cost, 20+ million Russians lives. Apparently, Russia has no right to commemorate this hugely significant milestone in its troubled and complicated history.

Why is that an issue for the EU - vassal of the US? It is this another attempt at depicting Russia as a maniacal State determined to wipe out the human race?



'..Some Western officials say he may declare all-out war on Ukraine or announce mobilisation across the country.

The Kremlin has dismissed this as "nonsense".
'

https://www.euronews.com/2022/05/07...wKKpY_yeBr8WKoCfUh6VDOlvRM#Echobox=1651934454
 
Didn't you refuse to believe videos of dead Ukrainian citizens in bucha?

Just think, If they can deny mass Russian war crimes perpetrated against fellow Muslim populations in Chechnya and Syria then denying them against Ukraine will be an absolute cakewalk for contrarians/ Putin apologists.
 
All these Western muppets, oops, puppets, have not said anything, a dicky bird, on Yemen, but will parrot the Western media on Russia.

Move on folks. Oh but behold.
 
All these Western muppets, oops, puppets, have not said anything, a dicky bird, on Yemen, but will parrot the Western media on Russia.

Move on folks. Oh but behold.

Stick to telling us about the ruble, anything else is outside your field.

We have more than enough people already in this thread who want to be Putins parrot.
 
Stick to telling us about the ruble, anything else is outside your field.

We have more than enough people already in this thread who want to be Putins parrot.

Oh don't worry, your inability to counter the strength of the Ruble sums up everything. You can't, unless the sources you parrot say so.

So much for your lies that the Ruble is crumbling. :)
 
Just a quick map I put together using LiveUAMap's current situation. In the circle there are at least 4000 Ukranian soldiers, the is the smallest number I have seen. Others say there are more than double. But whatever the figure it's still massive. I don't think the Russians will follow the big blue line, because they'll be following villages and fortified positions. But if they manage to cut off the units that'll be another huge loss for Ukraine.

Ukraine have confirmed they have retreated from Popasnaya to Bakhmut. This is a huge blow to them and a huge win for Russia. This city was a part of the supply line to the Severodoneskt forces and it was extremely well fortified.

None of this will make the western MSM but the lst 24 hours in this region for Ukraine has been terrible.

https://ibb.co/4t3z1H2
 
Ukraine war: 60 feared dead under rubble after Russian bomb hits school in Luhansk
About 90 people were sheltering in the building when the bomb struck, causing a fire to engulf it, the governor of the Luhansk region says.

Sixty people are feared dead under rubble after a Russian bomb hit a school in eastern Ukraine.

About 90 people were sheltering in the building when the bomb struck, causing a fire to engulf it on Saturday, the governor of the Luhansk region said.

Two people have been confirmed dead and 60 others are "likely to have died under the rubble", Serhiy Gaidai wrote on the Telegram messaging app.

Thirty people have been rescued, seven of whom were injured, he added.

Some 60 people are trapped under the rubble, Ukraine says. Pic: Luhansk State Emergency Service
The attack in the village of Bilohorivka came as Russian forces kept up their barrage of southern Ukraine, hitting the major Black Sea port of Odesa with cruise missiles.

They have also bombarded the steelworks on the coast in Mariupol where Ukrainian fighters remained trapped underground.

Vladimir Putin is aiming to complete the conquest of Mariupol in time for Russia's Victory Day celebrations on Monday, but his forces are still facing dogged resistance from within the bunkers beneath the factory.

In Russia, Victory Day on 9 May is one of the country's most important national events - a remembrance of the sacrifices made by the Soviet Union in defeating Nazi Germany.

Russian service members take part in a rehearsal for the Victory Day military parade in Moscow

'Evil has returned'

In an emotional address on Sunday for Victory Day, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said: "The evil has returned. Again.

"In a different form, under different slogans, but for the same purpose."

Mr Zelenskyy will hold talks with Boris Johnson, Joe Biden and leaders from other G7 nations on Sunday to discuss additional support.

It comes after the UK said it would provide a further £1.3bn in military support to Ukrainian forces.

In a sign of Ukraine's effective defence in the 11th week of the war, its military flattened Russian positions on a Black Sea island that was captured in the early days of the conflict, and has become a symbol of resistance.

Satellite photos showed Ukraine targeting Russian-held Snake Island in a bid to impede Moscow's efforts to control the Black Sea.

Snake Island, located some 20 miles miles off the coast, figured in a memorable incident early in the war when Ukrainian border guards stationed there defied Russian orders to surrender, purportedly using colourful language.

Meanwhile, Western military analysts also said a Ukrainian counteroffensive was advancing around the country's second-largest city, Kharkiv.

Ukraine's military said retreating Russian forces destroyed three bridges on a road northeast of the city to try to slow the Ukrainian advance.

Russian troops on 'full combat readiness' in Moldova

In neighbouring Moldova, Russian and separatists troops are on "full alert", the Ukrainian military has warned.

The region has increasingly become a focus of worries that the conflict could expand beyond Ukraine's borders.

Pro-Russian forces broke off the Transnistria section of Moldova in 1992, and Russian troops have been stationed there since, ostensibly as peacekeepers.

Those forces are on "full combat readiness", Ukraine said, without giving details on how it came to the assessment.

Moscow has sought to sweep across southern Ukraine both to cut off the country from the sea and create a corridor to Transnistria, but it has struggled to achieve those objectives.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...-russian-bomb-hits-school-in-luhansk-12608304
 
Saw videos of Russian assets getting pulverised in Snake Island. No new real gains made in the East.

Western Propaganda is unreal, let's not kid ourselves, but even to a neutral you can deduce that Russians have taken a battering. Unable to conquer North Ukraine, stuck in the South, barely making gains in the East which was under their control since 2014.

No air superiority either, which is baffling.

Ukraine was one of the few countries who backed us recently on Kashmir, a lot of our weapons (key assets like engines) are Ukrainian. While Pakistan should be neutral, even a neutral should admit its very poor Russia has not overran Ukraine after nearly 3 months.
 
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Saw videos of Russian assets getting pulverised in Snake Island. No new real gains made in the East.

Western Propaganda is unreal, let's not kid ourselves, but even to a neutral you can deduce that Russians have taken a battering. Unable to conquer North Ukraine, stuck in the South, barely making gains in the East which was under their control since 2014.

No air superiority either, which is baffling.

Ukraine was one of the few countries who backed us recently on Kashmir, a lot of our weapons (key assets like engines) are Ukrainian. While Pakistan should be neutral, even a neutral should admit its very poor Russia has not overran Ukraine after nearly 3 months.

People like you honestly have no idea about warfare, history and the objectives. Russia went in with just 190-200k soldiers against a NATO trained and well fortified army. You don’t simply overrun an army like this is some movie.

The fact you don’t mention a fixing move once tells us how little we should pay heed to your comments.

The Russians took Popasnaya today- please look into why that’s important.
 
What is that reason? And if you - citizen of a low IQ country - can pinpoint the reason why West does so well, then why do you think Russia has failed to notice the same?

Could you expand on your thesis?

Try baiting someone else.
 
Vladimir Putin vows 'as in 1945, victory will be ours'

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Sunday vowed that "as in 1945, victory will be ours" as he congratulated former Soviet nations on the 77th anniversary of Nazi Germany's defeat in World War II.

“Today, our soldiers, as their ancestors, are fighting side by side to liberate their native land from the Nazi filth with the confidence that, as in 1945, victory will be ours,” said Putin, who sent Russian troops into Ukraine in February.

“Today, it is our common duty to prevent the rebirth of Nazism which caused so much suffering to the peoples of different countries,” said Putin.

He added that he hoped “new generations may be worthy of the memory of their fathers and grandfathers”.

Putin also made multiple references not just to soldiers but also to civilians on the “home front ... who smashed Nazism at the cost of countless sacrifices”.

“Sadly, today, Nazism is rearing its head once more,” charged Putin who has insisted that Ukraine is in the grip of fascism and a threat to Russia and the Russian-speaking minority in Ukraine's east which Moscow claims to be “liberating”.

“Our sacred duty is to hold back the ideological successors of those who were defeated” in World War II, which Moscow dubs “the great patriotic war”, said Putin, as he urged Russians to “take revenge”.

He also said he wished “all Ukraine's inhabitants a peaceful and just future”.

On Monday, Moscow will officially commemorate its victory over Nazi Germany with a giant military parade.

Under Putin, Russia has justified its offensive in Ukraine, launched on February 24, as a “special operation” to “demilitarise” and “de-nazify” its neighbour, a former Soviet republic which declared independence in 1991.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1688627/vladimir-putin-vows-as-in-1945-victory-will-be-ours
 
Who is he fooling with Nazi propaganda, Russian racism is so well documented it’s not even a joke.
He is banning his own country’s news channels.
 
Saw videos of Russian assets getting pulverised in Snake Island. No new real gains made in the East.

Western Propaganda is unreal, let's not kid ourselves, but even to a neutral you can deduce that Russians have taken a battering. Unable to conquer North Ukraine, stuck in the South, barely making gains in the East which was under their control since 2014.

No air superiority either, which is baffling.

Ukraine was one of the few countries who backed us recently on Kashmir, a lot of our weapons (key assets like engines) are Ukrainian. While Pakistan should be neutral, even a neutral should admit its very poor Russia has not overran Ukraine after nearly 3 months.

Yeah Russia have done sweet all in this conflict, suffered massive losses, lost international reputation and are now a state pariah with nothing to show for it.

Sure the Rubel has risen...but is it really worth the price they have paid?

I mean it seems a bit like grasping at straws if this is the only victory worth showing.
 
The price is worth it. SWIFT and USD/Petrodollar dominance have come to an end; western media hypocrisy exposed. 90 odd UN members abstained from condemning Russia; including India and China - the fastest growing ECONOMIES. Let this sink in.

Worth every penny, and the Russians fooled the West (and MSM worshippers) while their real economic goal and shift in power was achieved.

Go home MSM disciples, the West is a fraction of the world as we know it. Success isn’t measured by iPhones or Big Macs anymore.

Wars of today are not about conquering land, or military fire power etc, wars of today are fought with information on the economic front. Boots on the ground, planes in the sky, are just a side show.
 
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The price is worth it. SWIFT and USD/Petrodollar dominance have come to an end; western media hypocrisy exposed. 90 odd UN members abstained from condemning Russia; including India and China - the fastest growing ECONOMIES. Let this sink in.

Worth every penny, and the Russians fooled the West (and MSM worshippers) while their real economic goal and shift in power was achieved.

Go home MSM disciples, the West is a fraction of the world as we know it. Success isn’t measured by iPhones or Big Macs anymore.

Wars of today are not about conquering land, or military fire power etc, wars of today are fought with information on the economic front. Boots on the ground, planes in the sky, are just a side show.

Next week the defintion of war and victory will change further and Russian ******* will clutch at even more straws to claim a victory.

There has been no 'shift' in power as a result of anything that Russia has achieved. Russia has literally gained nothing, nor has the rest of the world lost much.

Any shift in global geopolitics happened post Afghanistan/Iraq as USA was weakened badly in these two wars. The rise of China has weakened them and put them on the back foot too. Iran threw a spanner in the works in the ME also.

Russia's current actions are not even a blip on the radar. They have been sucked in and paid a dire price, militarily and economically.

The Americans have pulled the rug from under them in classic American style by using the Ukrainians as a sacrificial lamb.
 
Next week the defintion of war and victory will change further and Russian ******* will clutch at even more straws to claim a victory.

There has been no 'shift' in power as a result of anything that Russia has achieved. Russia has literally gained nothing, nor has the rest of the world lost much.

Any shift in global geopolitics happened post Afghanistan/Iraq as USA was weakened badly in these two wars. The rise of China has weakened them and put them on the back foot too. Iran threw a spanner in the works in the ME also.

Russia's current actions are not even a blip on the radar. They have been sucked in and paid a dire price, militarily and economically.

The Americans have pulled the rug from under them in classic American style by using the Ukrainians as a sacrificial lamb.

Russia has reintroduced the gold standard, bypassed SWIFT, got oil producing nations selling oil in non USD denominations, strengthening the Ruble by pegging to Gold and USD, forced energy prices up, more so in the West where ZIRP is now destroying Western livelihoods, sanctions failed, reinforced the message that Western finance and media are hypocrites, and Russia gets to keep Crimea et al. Yup if you think Amreeka pulled the rug from under Russia’s feet, then good for you.
 
I forgot to mention, the world’s most powerful military, most powerful military alliance (NATO) didn’t have the balls to impose a no fly zone over Ukraine.

Forget Amreeka pulling the rug, Russia pulled wool over the eyes of the West.
 
I forgot to mention, the world’s most powerful military, most powerful military alliance (NATO) didn’t have the balls to impose a no fly zone over Ukraine.

Forget Amreeka pulling the rug, Russia pulled wool over the eyes of the West.

Precisely.

The Ukrainian army are nato trained. In fact there are officers off the books fight with Ukraine and they are all losing badly.
 
Vladimir Putin says Russia's military intervention in Ukraine was a pre-emptive move to ward off aggression, accusing the West of "preparing for the invasion of our land, including Crimea".

"The danger was rising by the day," he claimed, adding Russia's response was a "forced, timely and the only correct decision by a sovereign, powerful and independent country".
 
It boggles my mind that you swallow all this Russian propaganda.

The Crimean Sham Referendum failed to offer the choice of remaining part of Ukraine. The two choices - both unlawful - were join Russia or be independent.

You can bet your life that the 80% of the populations of Luhansk and Donetsk who chose to flee Russian domination these last few years and move to Lviv, Kyiv and Kharkiv won’t be allowed to vote in a Russian Sham Referendum because the Russians know they would vote for the Donbas to remain Ukrainian.

Zelenskyy is a Russian-speaking Jewish Citizen of Ukraine. Which makes it so absurd that he is accused of anti-Russian atrocities and being a Nazi.

But some people’s hatred of the west - and we certainly have done plenty wrong in the past - somehow makes them see the good guys as the bad guys in this, and to believe the most ludicrous Russian propaganda.

Your mind will boggle because you are stuck in some sort of cultural false sense of superiority.

You think the Crimean's would have chosen to be with Ukraine. :))

Read the thread back.

This has all been discussed and dismantled by various posters. The Eastern Ukraine is Russian speakers who are pro-Russia. Even the elected PM was Pro-Russia but was ousted by the Nazi led coup in 2014. You ignore this and instead go on an emotional rant.
 
Saw videos of Russian assets getting pulverised in Snake Island. No new real gains made in the East.

Western Propaganda is unreal, let's not kid ourselves, but even to a neutral you can deduce that Russians have taken a battering. Unable to conquer North Ukraine, stuck in the South, barely making gains in the East which was under their control since 2014.

No air superiority either, which is baffling.

Ukraine was one of the few countries who backed us recently on Kashmir, a lot of our weapons (key assets like engines) are Ukrainian. While Pakistan should be neutral, even a neutral should admit its very poor Russia has not overran Ukraine after nearly 3 months.

Not sure what you are watching or reading but Snake Island story was a lie, proven now.

Russia is not losing this war lol.

In the last 24 hours alone they have destroyed dozens of Ukranian bases/missile launcher sites.

Have you seen the Nazi previous stronghold of Marioupol? Its rubble now, the Nazis are in hell.

Russia is just moping up now, the war was won a few weeks ago in terms of Russian objectives.

Its hillarious how people in the UK are wanting to believe Russia are losing while they are paying more and more for goods, with these sanctions backfiring into an economic recession.

Lets let our kids and elderly go hungry, lets pay more for everything, lets lose jobs...its worth if evil Russia are losing lol.
 
Not sure what you are watching or reading but Snake Island story was a lie, proven now.

Russia is not losing this war lol.

In the last 24 hours alone they have destroyed dozens of Ukranian bases/missile launcher sites.

Have you seen the Nazi previous stronghold of Marioupol? Its rubble now, the Nazis are in hell.

Russia is just moping up now, the war was won a few weeks ago in terms of Russian objectives.

Its hillarious how people in the UK are wanting to believe Russia are losing while they are paying more and more for goods, with these sanctions backfiring into an economic recession.

Lets let our kids and elderly go hungry, lets pay more for everything, lets lose jobs...its worth if evil Russia are losing lol.

These are my posts on this topic, give them a read and tell me what you disagree on, that is if you have the time to!

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...es-Ukraine&p=11443142&highlight=#post11443142

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...es-Ukraine&p=11476886&highlight=#post11476886

If your take after these two posts is 'Western propaganda' then I can't help you, but I doubt you'd find many things to disagree from.
 
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