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Stopped reading at this point. The British MSM and intelligence is becoming a laughing stock.
So after reading multiple sources and trying to understand the map. It seems that the so called Russian BTG killed recently was a heavy fight between forces on both sides. The Russians needed to cross the river to encircle Severedonestk but the Ukrainians had to prevent it.
The Russians now control the area because they managed to somehow get soldiers to the other side. The nerds have been able to identify both Russian and Ukrainian vehicles. Once again it proves much of what comes from MSM is nonsense.
They also control snake island and to prove it they drew a Z on the island. This is all over social media.
The Russians now control the area because they managed to somehow get soldiers to the other side. The nerds have been able to identify both Russian and Ukrainian vehicles. Once again it proves much of what comes from MSM is nonsense.
They also control snake island and to prove it they drew a Z on the island. This is all over social media.
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lol. This has been posted several times, you keep ignoring the truth and parroting the BBC.
The elected leader chose Russia but still wanted trade with EU. A Nato Coup(learn the definition) was created, sending billions to place a puppet leader and to hire Neo Nazis who used snipers to kill police and public turning the worlds attention and usual western condemnation. For 7 years they then attacked Russian speakers in the East.
lol Biden doesnt remember his wifes name and thinks Ukrainians are also Iranians. Look at the state of your hero first.
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https://www.reuters.com/markets/com...in-harvest-support-higher-exports-2022-05-12/
Some clueless people think Russia is broke, on the verge of economic collapse lol.
Russia is huge, has masses of natural resources from wheat, oil, gas, diamonds, emeralds and many more.
The Rouble is surging , higher than before the military operation.
Meanwhile the £ is falling and the elderly will freeze to death in Europe. The Eastern regions will never be with Ukraine again but deluded people think Russia is losing lol.
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There's no point in engaging with pro NATO supporters. Their views are not new. They provide no insight. They do not challenge the mind. There is nothing to learn. Not thought provoking. Why? You can find their views verbitam on MSM. Hence parrots.
Here's some thought provoking non-MSM news:
Ruble Surpasses Brazil’s Real as Year’s Best-Performing Currency
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...asses-brazilian-real-as-world-s-best-currency
Now I wonder how NATO apologist would address this ground shattering fact? Probably have to wait for a counter MSM report.
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Here's some thought provoking non-MSM news:
Ruble Surpasses Brazil’s Real as Year’s Best-Performing Currency
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...asses-brazilian-real-as-world-s-best-currency
Now I wonder how NATO apologist would address this ground shattering fact? Probably have to wait for a counter MSM report.
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Dude, Russian economy has proven to be resilient. Putin is a mastermind. You will notice not a single pro-NATO apologist is countering Russia's econmic ascendancy.
Poor souls though by banning Russian oil Putin would cave in, instead he demands Oil payments in Rubels and 20 odd Europeans countries have obliged.
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I agree that Putin looks very ill, but this is no different in a sense to Biden’s dementia and Boris Johnson’s obesity. An underlying health condition now seems par for the course in world leaders.
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The difference is Biden/Boris' successor have a different game plan, whereas Putin's successor will continue with Mother Russia's plan. The difference between Western democracy and Russian totalitarianism!
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Dude, Russian economy has proven to be resilient. Putin is a mastermind. You will notice not a single pro-NATO apologist is countering Russia's econmic ascendancy.
Poor souls though by banning Russian oil Putin would cave in, instead he demands Oil payments in Rubels and 20 odd Europeans countries have obliged.
Putin is no doubt a genius , will be seen as one of the greatest leaders in history alongside Alexander, Naploean because he has changed the game forever!
Even those who are not wanting to pay in Roubles are buying off those who are buying Russian gas in roubles .
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I dont think he is ill but of course he is stressed as any leader would saving his people, liberating others while also taking on the biggest military force in history(Nato). The fact he has out manoeuvred Nato and is winning both in military terms and economic terms , also against the most powerful economic mafia in history, shows he is mentally solid as one can be.
Three times russia failed to cross the river and establish bridges.
If they had quality airpower or radar battery's they could destroy the ukranian artillery with airpower and mrls .
They could use cluster munitions , napalm
But they are lacking sufficient airpower
If they had quality airpower or radar battery's they could destroy the ukranian artillery with airpower and mrls .
They could use cluster munitions , napalm
But they are lacking sufficient airpower
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Why do you assume Russia will use napalm? I assume you agree with using this as US has used it many times?
Look these are soldiers fighting soldiers who in many cases hand grandparents that are siblings. They are not going to use excessive force. That is why they are moving slowly and grinding the AFU down.
Head of Ukrainian intelligence today said putin is terminally ill with cancer and a coup is being prepared in Moscow
Also said the war will turn in mid August and will be over by the end of the year with all Russian forces being pushed out of all Ukraine and crimea.
I was quite shocked at his confidence
Why are they shelling cities and killing civilians then? Most of the Russian soldiers have no connection with Ukraine at all
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Whatever he is smoking dont try it.
Its near impossible for Ukraine to take Crimea. Russia will resort will destroy every inch of Ukraine before they allow this to happen.
I think its best to wait for Russia to confirm Putins health. Even if he does die, there will be little change in the policy.
So to sum up after three and a half months:
1. Putin has never accepted Ukraine (or Georgia or anywhere else) as a former equal partner in the USSR which is equally entitled to independence.
2. He wrongly imagined that ethnic Russian Ukrainians felt loyalty to Russia rather than Ukraine.
3. He launched a full invasion of the Ukraine, intending to seize Kyiv within 72 hours and to install a puppet pro-Russian regime.
4. Putin decided that for propaganda purposes he would badge the invasion as a “Special Military Operation” and use a pliant local media to tell the Russian people that the twin objectives were demilitarisation and de-Nazification of Ukraine.
5. Nobody outside Russia with an IQ higher than that of a banana believed the de-Nazification claptrap. Putin’s buffoonery instantly succeeded in getting every NATO country to massively increase defence spending, getting Finland and Sweden to join NATO, and making EU nations finally move away from buying Russian energy. His cretinous choices also led to massive economic sanctions destroying the Kleptocratic Russian economy.
6. On the battlefield we saw highly-trained and motivated Ukrainians and semi-educated Russian rapists fighting one another with obsolete Soviet Era weapons. A steady supply of western intelligence and advanced weapons led to Russia’s elite forces being obliterated outside Kyiv.
7. Russia has had to withdraw from its original targets and has now lost its best weapons and and elite soldiers. It is now reduced to conducting a Special Murder, Rape and Looting Operation, but in areas of Southern and Eastern Ukraine in which the entire remaining population is ethnically Russian - and now hates Russia’s guts.
It is a tragedy for the people of the Ukraine, both ethnically Russian and Ukrainian - whose lives have been ruined by the Special Murder, Rape and Looting Operation.
But it may well turn out to be great for the wider world.
Russia is now exposed for what it really is - a medium-sized power with comedy antique conventional armed forces and a badly-maintained nuclear armoury in the hands of an evil and unstable *****, who has turned Russia into the Congo: a failed Crony Corruption state.
Russia has now expended almost its entire supply of modern weapons, and self-inflicted sanctions ensure that they have neither the money nor the access to components that they need to replace them.
Russia has effectively disarmed itself. It is no longer in the Top Twenty conventional armed forces in the world: it just has a huge museum of Soviet Era relics being used by rapists who are part-time soldiers.
Putin now faces a terrible future. The entire world can see that his conventional forces are shattered. His only military deterrent left now is his nuclear one - but if he uses it every person in Russia will be dead inside an hour.
The Emperor - or should I say Tsar - has no clothes. He has destroyed his own armed forces and encircled himself with new nations like Sweden and Finland now driven by him into the opposing camp.
And now it is just a matter of time before someone in Putin’s inner circle takes him out.
If, as I wrote earlier, he had the brains of a banana, Putin would understand that now is the time to go into exile in North Korea or Equatorial Guinea, given that China has already started to distance itself from him.
1. Putin has never accepted Ukraine (or Georgia or anywhere else) as a former equal partner in the USSR which is equally entitled to independence.
2. He wrongly imagined that ethnic Russian Ukrainians felt loyalty to Russia rather than Ukraine.
3. He launched a full invasion of the Ukraine, intending to seize Kyiv within 72 hours and to install a puppet pro-Russian regime.
4. Putin decided that for propaganda purposes he would badge the invasion as a “Special Military Operation” and use a pliant local media to tell the Russian people that the twin objectives were demilitarisation and de-Nazification of Ukraine.
5. Nobody outside Russia with an IQ higher than that of a banana believed the de-Nazification claptrap. Putin’s buffoonery instantly succeeded in getting every NATO country to massively increase defence spending, getting Finland and Sweden to join NATO, and making EU nations finally move away from buying Russian energy. His cretinous choices also led to massive economic sanctions destroying the Kleptocratic Russian economy.
6. On the battlefield we saw highly-trained and motivated Ukrainians and semi-educated Russian rapists fighting one another with obsolete Soviet Era weapons. A steady supply of western intelligence and advanced weapons led to Russia’s elite forces being obliterated outside Kyiv.
7. Russia has had to withdraw from its original targets and has now lost its best weapons and and elite soldiers. It is now reduced to conducting a Special Murder, Rape and Looting Operation, but in areas of Southern and Eastern Ukraine in which the entire remaining population is ethnically Russian - and now hates Russia’s guts.
It is a tragedy for the people of the Ukraine, both ethnically Russian and Ukrainian - whose lives have been ruined by the Special Murder, Rape and Looting Operation.
But it may well turn out to be great for the wider world.
Russia is now exposed for what it really is - a medium-sized power with comedy antique conventional armed forces and a badly-maintained nuclear armoury in the hands of an evil and unstable *****, who has turned Russia into the Congo: a failed Crony Corruption state.
Russia has now expended almost its entire supply of modern weapons, and self-inflicted sanctions ensure that they have neither the money nor the access to components that they need to replace them.
Russia has effectively disarmed itself. It is no longer in the Top Twenty conventional armed forces in the world: it just has a huge museum of Soviet Era relics being used by rapists who are part-time soldiers.
Putin now faces a terrible future. The entire world can see that his conventional forces are shattered. His only military deterrent left now is his nuclear one - but if he uses it every person in Russia will be dead inside an hour.
The Emperor - or should I say Tsar - has no clothes. He has destroyed his own armed forces and encircled himself with new nations like Sweden and Finland now driven by him into the opposing camp.
And now it is just a matter of time before someone in Putin’s inner circle takes him out.
If, as I wrote earlier, he had the brains of a banana, Putin would understand that now is the time to go into exile in North Korea or Equatorial Guinea, given that China has already started to distance itself from him.
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I stopped reading after no.1.
Putin was very happy with Ukraine when it elected its leader ,who didnt want to shun Russia for the EU. He wanted to be partners with both. Only when the Nato coup took place, which is the most important incident , which you fail to even mention, Putin and Russia knew what was coming. 7 years of bombing Eastern Russian speakers while Nazis were trained by Nato, Putin had no choice.
you're the same bloke who thinks Crimean's would have voted to stay with Ukraine. lol
Please just post BBC links or whatever rubbish you read.
I stopped reading after no.1.
Putin was very happy with Ukraine when it elected its leader ,who didnt want to shun Russia for the EU. He wanted to be partners with both. Only when the Nato coup took place, which is the most important incident , which you fail to even mention, Putin and Russia knew what was coming. 7 years of bombing Eastern Russian speakers while Nazis were trained by Nato, Putin had no choice.
you're the same bloke who thinks Crimean's would have voted to stay with Ukraine. lol
Please just post BBC links or whatever rubbish you read.
Crimeans? No. But you don’t get to leave a country unilaterally.
In terms of both yourself and [MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION], I feel sad and awkward. There are strong reasons why you should hold anti-Imperialist views.
But you are backing the wrong horse in the wrong race.
Russia is not a glorious champion of anti-Imperialism. It is a nasty, corrupt nation held together by profound racism and Imperialism of its own, whose armed forces have historically been from disadvantaged minorities and have been encouraged to rape, murder and loot.
If you had to identify a 21st century counterpart to the Nazis it would actually be Russia.
We all know how this will end for Putin.
At some point in the next few months he gets his head blown off by one of his cronies. And the Russian media tells the story of his brave fight against cancer, which he has valiantly lost.
The real question is whether his successor tries to keep Crimea and bits of Donetsk and Luhansk. If he does (it will be a white male) then the sanctions remain. If he withdraws, then he becomes a partner for the west.
Either way, a year from now Putin has had his head blown off. The only way he escapes with his life is if he goes into exile pretty soon.
KingKhanWC stopped at your first point. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and stopped at point 3.
Here is how the MSM and people like you work.
1. Make a claim about Russian plans and timelines without any evidence to support.
2. Russia do not meet these arbitrary targets.
3. Claim Russia is failing in every single way because of point 2.
4. Rinse and repeat.
I repeat to everyone if you doubt what I have to say about the military situation, then do some independent reading. Go to defence pk forums for example to get better analysis. Those guys were predicting that Kyiv was a fixing move back in early March. Those guys were commenting on the 40 mile convoy as evidence Ukraine is powerless to do anything about it.
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Kosovo is your comparison to Crimea. Again you suggested Crimeans didnt get a vote to join Ukraine when you know full well this was never going to happen, not even close.
The rest of your post is conjecture, wild fantasies and personal views on posters who dont care at all.
If you cant deal with the debating points, just post BBC links pls.
Ill try again, slowly...
1. In 2014 there was a Nato coup in Ukraine. Are you really denying this?
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Your wasting your time with certain peoples views.
For westerners its near impossible for them to accept the truth, which is Nato started this, Nato were training and arming Nazis to kill Eastern Russian speakers and its Nato which has a recent history of destroying nations,.
Its like showing a Zardari or Nawaz supporter they are thieves, will never be accepted even if proof is slapped on the face.
Only when people go hungry in Europe and US, which will happen more and more as the years pass by, only then their empty stomach will want to see the truth.
Absolutely.
Ukraine had democratically voted for a close association with the EU. Not NATO - the EU.
President Yanukovych was pressured by Putin to defy parliament and the election results and to not sign it - and to unlawfully rewrite the constitution.
The President unlawfully did just that, with the result that for his act of treason he was legally removed from power, by a vote of 328 to 0 in the 450 seat parliament.
Within 12 weeks a presidential election was held, which unsurprisingly was won by a pro-EU candidate who took 54.7% of the vote.
The only attempted coup in February 2014 was by Putin’s Ukrainian puppet - not NATO.
And it was rightfully put down by parliament and a presidential election, with the traitor who had tried to defy parliament sneaking off to exile in Russia.
It was as if Trump had remained in power briefly after his January 6 insurrection, only for Congress to lawfully remove him using the 25th amendment.
January 6, like Ukraine in 2014, was proof that a crooked Russia-controlled President can try to subvert democracy.
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So Lloyd Austin called Shoigu and asked for a ceasefire. I suspect this is partly because Ukraine are suffering huge losses in Donbas and are not too far from defeat. The other reason is that there is a delay in getting this $40billion signed off.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releas...oyd-j-austin-iiis-call-with-russian-minister/
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releas...oyd-j-austin-iiis-call-with-russian-minister/
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This.
There was a vast popular uprising termed the Euromaidan when the sitting President decided not to sign the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement, and lent towards the Eurasian Economic Union.
Putin fomented counter-demonstrations among those Ukrainians who would prefer to lean toward Moscow, and Russian “green men” without insignia invaded Crimea and Donetsk in an undeclared war.
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Something very unique coming out of the cyber war, have to say Eastern Europeans(including Russians) are some of the best coders but they usually prefer to work independently although Cyber Partisans who hated the Belarus President are now actually taking on Russia in unique ways.
Independent Ukrainian Cyber Armies are also attacking , this has definitely been the toughest challenge Russian Cyber Armies have ever faced but they are against hackers that are on survival and revenge mode.
Anonymous is being kind of annoying by hacking American corporates doing business in Russia instead of just majorly attacking Russian ones why the focus is off makes no sense to me.
Independent Ukrainian Cyber Armies are also attacking , this has definitely been the toughest challenge Russian Cyber Armies have ever faced but they are against hackers that are on survival and revenge mode.
Anonymous is being kind of annoying by hacking American corporates doing business in Russia instead of just majorly attacking Russian ones why the focus is off makes no sense to me.
No it's because the US now feel Ukriane will win, and don't want Putin to be embarrased and become dangerous, plus they also think Putin is toast and want to reach out to whoever replaces him.
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I'm reading Russians are leaving areas around Kharkiv
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We've been covering the news today that Ukraine seems to have won the battle for Kharkiv - at least for now.
For those unfamiliar with the city or its importance, here's a quick run-down.
The city of Kharkiv in north-east Ukraine is only about 50km (30 miles) from the Russian border, and not too far from the Donbas region that is home to pro-Russia separatist groups fighting on Russia's side in the war.
It is major city - Ukraine's second-largest - and before the war was home to an estimated 1.4 million people, with the surrounding province of the same name home to at least a million more.
That made it a key strategic target of Russia's invasion since the early days of the war - but the Ukrainian defensive line withstood weeks of attempts to breach it. Instead, Russia resorted to heavy artillery shelling of the city, as it did with other key targets such as Mariupol, causing widespread damage.
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So we have had two major battles so far in this war: Kyiv and Karkhiv.
Firstly, Russia has lost them both.
Secondly, Kharkiv had a pre-war population which was 35% ethnic Russian but 85% Russian-speaking. Yet Russia has managed to alienate them all, and to turn over 95% into ardent anti-Russians.
Firstly, Russia has lost them both.
Secondly, Kharkiv had a pre-war population which was 35% ethnic Russian but 85% Russian-speaking. Yet Russia has managed to alienate them all, and to turn over 95% into ardent anti-Russians.
The Russian defeat in the Battle of Kharkiv raises an issue now in terms of western war aims.
Unfortunately for the Ukrainians, they are never going to get Russia to pay reparations for having destroyed large tracts of the civilian infrastructure. They are going to have to be satisfied with the removal of Russia from Crimea, the destruction of Russia’s conventional armed forces and the likely assassination of Putin by his own henchmen.
But the degradation of Russia’s conventional armed forces creates huge opportunities to remove their occupying forces from illegally occupied lands outside Russia.
Russia’s unfolding defeat by Ukraine means that Moldova should easily regain Transnistria and Georgia should reclaim South Ossetia.
But there is a bigger prize. The Russian puppet Lukashenko refused to leave power after he was soundly defeated in the 2020 Belarus presidential election, and has now allowed his land to be used by Russia in the invasion of Ukraine.
This means that it should be relatively easy for Belarus to become a theatre for the Ukrainian War that Putin started, as by all international laws it is a participant in the war on the side of the illegal aggressor.
I would strongly argue that we should continue to arm and fund Ukraine until not only has it reclaimed all of Crimea and Donbas, but also until the Belarusian side in the conflict has been disarmed (and inevitably overthrown by its own people.
Lastly, Russia itself responded to the demographic challenges of Eastern Europe by ethnically cleansing East Prussia and Czechoslovakia and Romania of ethnic Germans. Its western exclave of Kaliningrad is actually the German city of Koenigsberg, with the ethnic German 99.8% of its population murdered or driven into exile. At the very least, the population of Crimea needs to be relocated to Russia. But to be honest, I think Russia needs to be removed from Germany’s stolen city of Koenigsberg and from Japan’s northern Kuril Islands too.
I have no interest in seeing Putin brought to justice - I will be satisfied when he either runs away into exile or is assassinated by his own people.
But Russia’s self-inflicted destruction is a conventional military power is now the perfect opportunity to remove it from territories it has stolen at gunpoint, and to ensure that their Russian populations are relocated to Russia.
Unfortunately for the Ukrainians, they are never going to get Russia to pay reparations for having destroyed large tracts of the civilian infrastructure. They are going to have to be satisfied with the removal of Russia from Crimea, the destruction of Russia’s conventional armed forces and the likely assassination of Putin by his own henchmen.
But the degradation of Russia’s conventional armed forces creates huge opportunities to remove their occupying forces from illegally occupied lands outside Russia.
Russia’s unfolding defeat by Ukraine means that Moldova should easily regain Transnistria and Georgia should reclaim South Ossetia.
But there is a bigger prize. The Russian puppet Lukashenko refused to leave power after he was soundly defeated in the 2020 Belarus presidential election, and has now allowed his land to be used by Russia in the invasion of Ukraine.
This means that it should be relatively easy for Belarus to become a theatre for the Ukrainian War that Putin started, as by all international laws it is a participant in the war on the side of the illegal aggressor.
I would strongly argue that we should continue to arm and fund Ukraine until not only has it reclaimed all of Crimea and Donbas, but also until the Belarusian side in the conflict has been disarmed (and inevitably overthrown by its own people.
Lastly, Russia itself responded to the demographic challenges of Eastern Europe by ethnically cleansing East Prussia and Czechoslovakia and Romania of ethnic Germans. Its western exclave of Kaliningrad is actually the German city of Koenigsberg, with the ethnic German 99.8% of its population murdered or driven into exile. At the very least, the population of Crimea needs to be relocated to Russia. But to be honest, I think Russia needs to be removed from Germany’s stolen city of Koenigsberg and from Japan’s northern Kuril Islands too.
I have no interest in seeing Putin brought to justice - I will be satisfied when he either runs away into exile or is assassinated by his own people.
But Russia’s self-inflicted destruction is a conventional military power is now the perfect opportunity to remove it from territories it has stolen at gunpoint, and to ensure that their Russian populations are relocated to Russia.
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The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine forbade soldiers and officers to publicly criticize foreign military equipment
1. A new order was received by the troops.
2. Servicemen are forbidden to speak publicly in the media and social networks negatively about military equipment supplied from abroad.
3. Violators are waiting for disciplinary action, as well as removal from office.
4. The new document was developed at the request of the media people of Zelensky's office.\
5. The Kiev leadership is closely monitoring the situation. It was revealed that Ukrainian militants are now actively criticizing American M-113 armored personnel carriers, Javelin complexes, and British anti-aircraft systems. In addition, Polish tanks and Czech Dana howitzers began to be criticized.
1. A new order was received by the troops.
2. Servicemen are forbidden to speak publicly in the media and social networks negatively about military equipment supplied from abroad.
3. Violators are waiting for disciplinary action, as well as removal from office.
4. The new document was developed at the request of the media people of Zelensky's office.\
5. The Kiev leadership is closely monitoring the situation. It was revealed that Ukrainian militants are now actively criticizing American M-113 armored personnel carriers, Javelin complexes, and British anti-aircraft systems. In addition, Polish tanks and Czech Dana howitzers began to be criticized.
I've been saying repeatedly for days and weeks now that the Ukranians and the Russians have been saying how rubbish a lot of this western supplied equipment is. But the experts like 90MPH and cpleigh have been repeatedly telling us that this equipment is going to change the war.
The Javellins according to a couple of Ukranian captured commanders fails to launch half the time and often when it does launch it usually detonates before impact. The NLAWs fare slightly better but the Ukranians seem to prefer the Swedish Anti tank weapons the most. What people fail to realise is that the west are not providing their best equipment.
One of the military experts said on a podcast recently that the Americans are not sending the electronic system with their howitzers. They don't want the technology captured so easily by the Russians is the reason. By sending the Howitzers in this way it's nowhere near as effective.
The intelligence agencies across all countries are watching this conflict very carefully and they're getting an idea of what is and isn't good. I suspect more and more countries will be leaning towards Russia for artillery and SAMs. A lot of them will avoid spending on attack drones but spend a lot on small surveillance drones.
The fact that the west don't want criticism of their junk should tell you enough.
Lol.
40k Russians were deployed to Kiev as a fixing move and much less around Kharkiv. Do you know how many soldiers are required to take these cities? For Kiev the Russians needed probably 10 times more soldiers.
The great battle of this conflict is happening in the Donbas - one of the main military objectives stated by the Russians - yet you make no mention of it. The Russians did not mention Kiev or Kharkiv in their objects. It is widely being reported by the military men on alternative media they have no interest in Kyiv. They do want Odessa for sure and that will be on the agenda if they can defeat the major forces of the AFU in Donbas.
You know less about this conflict than the other call of duty experts on this thread.
Lol. Since when does the winning side ever ask for ceasefires?
So for those who want a real summary of the situation on the ground.
1. The Russians had issues for several days cross the Siverski Donets River because it's impossible to keep a pontoon bridge hidden.
2. The Russians may have crossed with some forces near a place called Pryvillia, there are reports of fights there. This is not confirmed yet, so we'll need to see what the Russian MoD says in the next 48 hours.
3. The Russians are now look to split from Popasnaya in two directions, north to encircle Lisichansk and west to prevent any Ukranian resupplies or retreating.
4. The AFU commanders repeatedly requested to withdraw from the Lisichansk cauldron, they were told to stand and fight.
5. Snake Island is confirmed to be in Russian control - pictures have emerged of the letter Z on the ground there.
6. AFU are tring to find a way to hit a bridge to destroy a supply line in Crimea - but so far they have been unsuccessful. It's too well protected.
7. Russia have withdrawn around Kharkiv to a line that is fortified.
8. AFU are reclaiming villages in the Kharkiv region - but their primary goal is not territory but hitting the supply line down towards Izyum.
1. The Russians had issues for several days cross the Siverski Donets River because it's impossible to keep a pontoon bridge hidden.
2. The Russians may have crossed with some forces near a place called Pryvillia, there are reports of fights there. This is not confirmed yet, so we'll need to see what the Russian MoD says in the next 48 hours.
3. The Russians are now look to split from Popasnaya in two directions, north to encircle Lisichansk and west to prevent any Ukranian resupplies or retreating.
4. The AFU commanders repeatedly requested to withdraw from the Lisichansk cauldron, they were told to stand and fight.
5. Snake Island is confirmed to be in Russian control - pictures have emerged of the letter Z on the ground there.
6. AFU are tring to find a way to hit a bridge to destroy a supply line in Crimea - but so far they have been unsuccessful. It's too well protected.
7. Russia have withdrawn around Kharkiv to a line that is fortified.
8. AFU are reclaiming villages in the Kharkiv region - but their primary goal is not territory but hitting the supply line down towards Izyum.
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To understand Russia's motivations in launching its 'de-Nazify and demilitarize' mission in Ukraine one has to study the historical reasons: but, before posting a passage of an article about Nazi Germany's attack upon the USSR I just wanted to remind everyone that the US and its vassals destroyed Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen - drone bombed Pakistan, Somalia - and are hardly worthy of being either trusted or appointed moral authorities upon Russia in general and President Putin in particular:
The U.S. drops an average of 46 bombs a day: Why should the world see us as a force for peace?
The U.S. has dropped at least 337,000 bombs and missiles in 20 years — and now clutches its pearls over Russia
https://www.salon.com/2022/01/11/th...should-the-world-see-us-as-a-force-for-peace/
In the early hours of June 22, 1941, over 3 million troops of the German Wehrmacht invaded the Soviet Union, launching the bloodiest conflict in the history of humanity. By the end of the war in May 1945, at least 27 million Soviet citizens would be dead, among them 1.5 million Soviet Jews and over 3 million Soviet prisoners of war.
Many of the biggest battles of the Second World War were fought on the Eastern Front and the Nazis committed many of their worst atrocities on Soviet soil, including the systematic starving out of major cities such as Leningrad. The invasion also marked a turning point in the anti-Jewish policies of the Nazis: It was in the occupied territories of the Soviet Union that the Nazis began genocidal massacres of the Jewish population. Then, in January 1942, at the Wannsee Conference, the Nazi leadership decided on the systematic annihilation of Europe's Jewish population in death camps.
From the beginning of the rise of the Nazi movement in the 1920s, Hitler always stressed that its primary goal was the “complete destruction of Marxism,” inside Germany and across Europe. German imperialism pursued two fundamental aims with the war: First, the annihilation of the workers state that had arisen out of the 1917 October revolution, the Nazis hoped, would deal a major blow to the international working class movement. Second, German imperialism needed the resources of the Soviet Union for its planned war against the US, its main imperialist rival.
https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pag...tasndTbQ4-Uzc4JHgMUFCpQPPaA0JB8DPvLmpI4XQSNdg
The U.S. drops an average of 46 bombs a day: Why should the world see us as a force for peace?
The U.S. has dropped at least 337,000 bombs and missiles in 20 years — and now clutches its pearls over Russia
https://www.salon.com/2022/01/11/th...should-the-world-see-us-as-a-force-for-peace/
In the early hours of June 22, 1941, over 3 million troops of the German Wehrmacht invaded the Soviet Union, launching the bloodiest conflict in the history of humanity. By the end of the war in May 1945, at least 27 million Soviet citizens would be dead, among them 1.5 million Soviet Jews and over 3 million Soviet prisoners of war.
Many of the biggest battles of the Second World War were fought on the Eastern Front and the Nazis committed many of their worst atrocities on Soviet soil, including the systematic starving out of major cities such as Leningrad. The invasion also marked a turning point in the anti-Jewish policies of the Nazis: It was in the occupied territories of the Soviet Union that the Nazis began genocidal massacres of the Jewish population. Then, in January 1942, at the Wannsee Conference, the Nazi leadership decided on the systematic annihilation of Europe's Jewish population in death camps.
From the beginning of the rise of the Nazi movement in the 1920s, Hitler always stressed that its primary goal was the “complete destruction of Marxism,” inside Germany and across Europe. German imperialism pursued two fundamental aims with the war: First, the annihilation of the workers state that had arisen out of the 1917 October revolution, the Nazis hoped, would deal a major blow to the international working class movement. Second, German imperialism needed the resources of the Soviet Union for its planned war against the US, its main imperialist rival.
https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pag...tasndTbQ4-Uzc4JHgMUFCpQPPaA0JB8DPvLmpI4XQSNdg
I have completely misunderstood the situation.
Clearly the Kyiv and Kharkiv operations were not military defeats for Russia.
They were both decoy operations, in which Russia deliberately pretended to have their logistic chains collapse so that they could deliberately lose 25% of their most modern arms and best trained troops. By losing their most modern (1980-1990) equipment they could reactivate their older (1960-1980) equipment.
This lets them meet their real objective, namely to take Donbas. Now, they were already fighting there and could have continued to do so. But by attacking Kyiv and Kharkiv, Russia got NATO countries to on average lift their defence spending from 0.8% to 2.0% and pushed Finland and Sweden into joining.
Putin topped off his masterplan by getting the Rouble to appreciate. Nitpickers may point out that he did so by imposing exchange controls and by obliterating Russian exports, but what do they know?
So losing his best weapons and soldiers was just a decoy to allow him to do what he was already doing.
Putin’s a genius. In fact, like Wile E, Coyote he’s a Super Genius.
(Mind you, the antique Soviet Era weapons both sides are using seem like Acme probably could have made them better.)
Clearly the Kyiv and Kharkiv operations were not military defeats for Russia.
They were both decoy operations, in which Russia deliberately pretended to have their logistic chains collapse so that they could deliberately lose 25% of their most modern arms and best trained troops. By losing their most modern (1980-1990) equipment they could reactivate their older (1960-1980) equipment.
This lets them meet their real objective, namely to take Donbas. Now, they were already fighting there and could have continued to do so. But by attacking Kyiv and Kharkiv, Russia got NATO countries to on average lift their defence spending from 0.8% to 2.0% and pushed Finland and Sweden into joining.
Putin topped off his masterplan by getting the Rouble to appreciate. Nitpickers may point out that he did so by imposing exchange controls and by obliterating Russian exports, but what do they know?
So losing his best weapons and soldiers was just a decoy to allow him to do what he was already doing.
Putin’s a genius. In fact, like Wile E, Coyote he’s a Super Genius.
(Mind you, the antique Soviet Era weapons both sides are using seem like Acme probably could have made them better.)
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If Russia withdraw troops today some posters will claim :
Russia won because they caused recession in western world , damaged SWIFT and destroyed a country which could had joined NATO, warning future countries on the same.
Russia won because they caused recession in western world , damaged SWIFT and destroyed a country which could had joined NATO, warning future countries on the same.
This is complete nonsense.
The USSR’s anti-Nazi history is just Russian propaganda.
The Nazis came to power in January 1933 and enacted the anti-Semitic Nuremberg Laws in 1935.
But in August 1939 Stalin and Hitler signed the Nazi-Soviet Pact and jointly invaded Poland from east and west. The Nazis were Russia’s chosen allies - not their enemies.
Russia only seemed to go off the Nazis 20 months later when they got invaded by their own allies - Nazi Germany. And both sides treated the other with utter savagery.
Russia now is a sham democracy in which an unsophisticated propaganda machine has convinced the population that there are Nazis running Ukraine. We have all heard stories of Russian troops terrorising Ukrainian villages asking “where are the Nazis?”, which is rather like Pakistan invading northwest India and having troops going from house to house saying “where are the Eskimos?”
The West has done lots of bad things in the past. But this war is between Evil (in the form of Russia) and Democracy (in the form of Ukraine).
Lastly, I look at that list of countries that you blame America for fighting in. And I think “good.”
I do not and will not accept theocratic countries, and I certainly do not accept their right to force religion on people.
Incidentally, this war creates real opportunities for Pakistan.
Trump leaned towards India, but India’s refusal to sanction Russia has enraged the USA, and they seem to be doubling down on buying garbage Russian weaponery.
Now would be a great time for the new Pakistan government to adopt a strongly pro-West position, and to refollow Jinnah’s path in being the reliable bulwark in South Asia.
And American arms are clearly vastly superior to the garbage that China and Russia use, let alone export.
Trump leaned towards India, but India’s refusal to sanction Russia has enraged the USA, and they seem to be doubling down on buying garbage Russian weaponery.
Now would be a great time for the new Pakistan government to adopt a strongly pro-West position, and to refollow Jinnah’s path in being the reliable bulwark in South Asia.
And American arms are clearly vastly superior to the garbage that China and Russia use, let alone export.
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Can we please just have a link to a live thread to BBC for anti Putin's/Russian views? It will save much bandwidth.
These pro Western/NATO views are not wven thought provoking in the slightest.
In other news, Rubel is best performing currency thus far this year.
These pro Western/NATO views are not wven thought provoking in the slightest.
In other news, Rubel is best performing currency thus far this year.
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How many countries have entrapped themselves by using the dodgy finance of the Ball and Chain Initiative to build the Rajapaksa stadium and the Rajapaksa international airport in the dear leader’s home town, population 3, only to end up with bankrupt vanity projects and having to cede strategic infrastructure to the lender?
Surely the Russia/Ukraine conflict is the right time for India and Pakistan to review their allegiances?
You’re newer to this thread but I asked the same question to others who couldn’t answer. If you are outnumbered by 3 to 1, how to you shape the battlefield to your advantage.
Read up on some basics about warfare and then come back and try to hold a sensible discussion because at the moment you’re just repeating the same stuff the daily mail readers say.
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Just post a BBC link .
EU was not offering Ukraine a great deal, so Putin stepped in & offered a far better deal.
Yanukovych didnt accept any EU deal, he said NO to the deal on Nov 21 2013. This was no unlawful as you nothing was ever signed and sealed with the EU. Yanukovych chose the Russian deal, as any sane leader would.
Nato then orchestrate a violent coup recruiting Neo Nazis. You keep forgetting to mention the Nazis.
The coup involved Nazis shooting at police and citizens, members of parliament were held at gun point but in your world this is legal. lol
Feb 23 2014 the new puppet regime started by attacking minority rights esp language laws. Now Ukraine has become a puppet state.
Nazis then kill, murder, torture Eastern Russian speakers.
Putin then liberates them in his military operation.
You are clueless as you were when you suggested Crimean's would join Ukraine in instead of Russia.
If you want to support Nazis because your Nato governments wants you to do so fine, but please dont expect everyone to parrots of their governments , esp those governments which have destroyed countless nations in recent years.
I guess you also think Iraq was a righteous cause because Blair told you it was.
Nato is a cowardly, instead of arming and cheerleading Ukrainians to shed their blood, send in those overweight , uneducated soldiers you sent to Afghanistan and Iraq. But they wont because Russia is a superpower and Nato will never change this.
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You are very misunderstood.
Please learn the basic of modern warfare. If Russia wanted to take Kyiv it would have bombed it to oblivioun as the Nato puppet regime expected but never took place.
In your world Russia failed to take Kyiv but also forget to use its bombers and missiles to take it .
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Russia has lost this war, it's only hope now is trying to repair its battered image.
The definition of victory has been stretched by Russian supporters to the point where it now seems like satire.
Very little territorial gains, huge military losses, international pariah and NATO are now opening up another front for the future by brining the Fins in.
Vlad wanted Nato out of the region, but hes been bogged down in Ukraine and they are coming anyway.
Poor Zelensky has been sold down the river and the Ukranians will gain nothing.
If he was clever he would have shaken vlads hand a few weeks ago and saved a number of Ukranian lives.
The definition of victory has been stretched by Russian supporters to the point where it now seems like satire.
Very little territorial gains, huge military losses, international pariah and NATO are now opening up another front for the future by brining the Fins in.
Vlad wanted Nato out of the region, but hes been bogged down in Ukraine and they are coming anyway.
Poor Zelensky has been sold down the river and the Ukranians will gain nothing.
If he was clever he would have shaken vlads hand a few weeks ago and saved a number of Ukranian lives.
Putin is highly limited by western public opinion.
He can flatten Donbas and Mariupol, beyond the sight of western TV crews.
But if he tries the same war crimes in Kyiv in full public view he knows he signs his death warrant within 24 hours. It might be mutually assured nuclear war, but even if it is, he will be dust inside 24 hours if he tries to pull his war crimes in public view.
It’s not a valid question. That’s the whole point.
No country gets to unilaterally invade its neighbour saying “they are mistreating my ethnic/linguistic/religious group.”
Otherwise India could say “look, Pakistan is an Islamic Republic” and flatten every building in Lahore and Karachi, steal all the property and rape all the women. Just like Russia does in Ukraine.
If Russia doesn’t like how ethnic Russians are treated in Ukraine, it can take it to the UN.
But don’t forget:
1. 55% of ethnic Russians in Ukraine voted for this government.
2. Russia’s way of “liberating” ethnic Russians so far has consisted of destroying their houses, stealing their property and raping every female aged 10-75 (just like the Russian Army did in East Prussia in 1945).
Maybe I’m old fashioned, but if “being liberated” means having my property stolen, my daughter repeatedly raped and 10% of the civilian population being abducted to Russia, I’ll give that a miss thank you very much.
Nazis are completely irrelevant to the Ukraine war: they have zero place in the discussion just like Pygmies and Eskimos. It’s an outrageous trope.
The problems currently are:
1. War criminals who destroy houses with artillery. The Russian Army.
2. War criminals who rape. The Russian Army.
3. War criminals who loot and steal. The Russian Army.
4. War criminals who murder civilians. The Russian Army.
There are no further discussions to be had about Nazis, Pygmies or Eskimos.
Anyone who uses the Nazi lie in Ukraine quite simply self-identifies as a pro-Russian stooge and an anti-Semite. It’s that simple.
There is no evidence to support many of your claims about these war crimes. If you have proof of them please post your ICC case links with the results.
The railway system was running until day 62. Electricity was running, water, internet and so many other essential things right up until now. There is your proof that they are not targeting civilian infrastructure. They have hypersonic missiles so could have taken out the government buildings in Kiev. These are the things Americans and NATO bombs for weeks on end before they put a single boot on the ground.
“Take it to the UN” - lol. The same UN that was powerless to stop the illegal wars started by America? The same UN that is utterly powerless to stop the persecution of so many ethnic groups around the world?
Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine and join Russia, based on independent coverage, the people of Donbas also want that so good luck to Russia, the LNR and DPR.
And again, you don’t get to secede at gunpoint.
The people of Crimea may have wanted to leave Ukraine, just as many Scots wants to leave the UK.
It doesn’t mean that the French armed forces can invade the UK tomorrow to extract Scotland from the UK.
International laws are a fact. And Russia is a criminal state led by a war criminal in a criminal war against the Ukraine.
The Nazis are the ones hiding in Azovstal, they are the ones preventing the surrender of the remaining soldiers and they are the ones who used human shields. This being reported by hundreds of residents in Mariupol and those who have evacuated. I’d say you missed the part about how these Nazi groups have commanders in leadership positions in Ukrainian army and government. But continue to feast on MSM lies you’ll learn a lot lol.
Unless you have evidence from independent legal sources such as the ICC stop making up these lies about war crimes. There are several videos online showing the AFU hiding behind civilians, taking up positions in schools and hospitals and so these become viable targets and are NOT war crimes according to the Geneva convention.
I could tell you about the war crimes of the AFU but why bother you haven’t bothered to spend a single moment doing your own independent reading.
Russia set out to get Donbas and they will.
The big difference and key part you missed out was the English are not and will not kill 14,000+ civilians. The Scottish will not let hostile forces take up positions of command against England.
Why did America have a disproportionate number of bio labs in Ukraine? Why did America push for a corrupt country with neo-Nazis to join NATO? Why was America arming these Neo-Nazis such as Azov and Aidar?
The bio labs are interesting because initially they said there were none. Then when the Russians captured them and started to leak their info the Americans acknowledged them. Then the Americans said that they were afraid of what Russia might do with what they find. I mean what were they cooking up in these biolabs if they are so scared of the damage they could cause. Then came the threat of a false flag but the Russians leaked enough info and threatened to leak more so the false flag bio attack quietened down. Now the biolabs are a distant memory. The hunter Biden laptop is also a distant memory. All of this stuff you can read about online. These are facts and not the fabricated rubbish from MSM you continue to type.
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[MENTION=30006]Jadz[/MENTION],
I respect you and I want you to see Putin’s propaganda for what it is.
This deNazification narrative is a red herring. Putin had been infiltrating and sponsoring neo-Nazi and far right groups across Europe for two decades, including in the UK. He wants his opponents to be Nazified, because it breaks down our social cohesion and makes us fear each other, makes us doubt our liberal institutions which grant us freedom and safety. In doing so he is putting Muslims and minority people of colour in the firing line across the West. He wants this. Don’t let him fool you. Far-right types treat him as a hero.
https://www.justsecurity.org/68420/...in-transnational-white-supremacist-extremism/
Precisely the question, why?
It was Victoria Nuland who said they have these biolabs not me.
what she actually said is there are labs in Ukraine, and the materials could be dangerous if russia gained them.
That has been spun by Russia into 'secret US bio labs designed to kill Slavs'.
She didn't say they were American or even weapon related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWAgSBfU3xk
"Ukraine has biological research facilities". Isn't that a fancy way of saying biolabs?
"We are concerned that Russian troops may be seeking to gain a control of". - Why? If these are harmless "biological research facilities" why have concern?
"If there is a biological attack inside Ukraine - do you have any doubt it would be Russia behind it?" - Look at the phrasing of the question. Lol, it's like they think every member of the public is as gullible as cpleigh, 90mph and Junaids.
no, it means Ukraine have labs that study biological agents. Like nearly every country in the world. Pakistan will have multiple ones, where they study anything from COVID19 to the effects of anthrax etc.
Its entirely normal for any country. Why wouldn't you be concerned of an invading army having access to deadly diseases? Look at the care Russia took around Chernobyl.
what you also fail to take into account was that she was being grilled by a republican senator, whose sole purpose was to try and gain a political victory over a democrat
Its entirely normal for any country. Why wouldn't you be concerned of an invading army having access to deadly diseases? Look at the care Russia took around Chernobyl.
what you also fail to take into account was that she was being grilled by a republican senator, whose sole purpose was to try and gain a political victory over a democrat
Why deny having these biolabs in the first place? They only did this friendly Q/A once the Russians had leaked info captured from these biolabs. Until then it was a Russian conspiracy. If that's what you call a grilling then I have a bridge to sell you.
What should be concerning to everyone is the fact they are worried about materials falling into Russian hands rather than what the materials are.
who denied have research labs? US have confirmed they have help to fund research labs in Ukraine. What they deny and Ukraine also that any bio weapons are being developed in Ukraine.
I'd be absolutely concerend about Russian troops taking any of those facilities. The clowns were digging trenches in the radioactive Chernobyl plant.
EVERY country will have the same labs, are you concerned Pakistan have them? were you concerned China were testing Coronavirus samples in Wuhan?
I'd be absolutely concerend about Russian troops taking any of those facilities. The clowns were digging trenches in the radioactive Chernobyl plant.
EVERY country will have the same labs, are you concerned Pakistan have them? were you concerned China were testing Coronavirus samples in Wuhan?
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The Russian/Putin propagandists are in absolute shambles.
When they can’t justify why this war of choice has been nothing but an absolute disaster in every single way possible they resort to ridiculous conspiracy theories that Ukraine had biological/chemcial weapons.
This is all deliberate projected propaganda by Putin and his cronies.
They played the exact same playbook against Syrian Muslim activists and said they are using chemcial attacks when it was actually the opposite as it was the Syrian regime along with the Russian millitary using horrendous chemcial weapons on Syrains to break the siege in Aleppo.
When they can’t justify why this war of choice has been nothing but an absolute disaster in every single way possible they resort to ridiculous conspiracy theories that Ukraine had biological/chemcial weapons.
This is all deliberate projected propaganda by Putin and his cronies.
They played the exact same playbook against Syrian Muslim activists and said they are using chemcial attacks when it was actually the opposite as it was the Syrian regime along with the Russian millitary using horrendous chemcial weapons on Syrains to break the siege in Aleppo.
America has 330 odd biolabs around the world in some 30 different countries.
Why, because it keeps tabs on disease outbreaks in countries and gives science the advantage of picking up outbreaks faster than just waiting for people to die.
There is nothing suspicious about America having biolabs in the Ukraine other than using it for political purposes.
Everyone country has biolabs for sure, some of them fund beneficial research. Others obviously do not and if that is the case then they should be questioned about it and punished accordingly.
It is very clear to me that you like many have fallen for the MSM narratives and anything that isn't meeting that narrative is brushed off as nonsense.
It is very clear to me that you like many have fallen for the MSM narratives and anything that isn't meeting that narrative is brushed off as nonsense.
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Exactly, the Nazi accusation is ridiculous considering Russia funds the Wagner group and has the daddy of neo Nazi groups residing in Russia.
It’s a game of projection and deflection. They are throwing anything that sticks to justify this vest of choice.
If Russia are in shambles why did Austin phone Shoigu requesting a ceasefire. Is this a new way of operating where the winning side is requesting a ceasefire? Isn't it so reveaing that the Pentagon are ones who are asking for a ceasefire and not the other way around?
https://www.axios.com/2022/05/13/lloyd-austin-russian-minister-of-defense-invasion
Your point about it being a failure in every single way, well the Russian ruble was at 135 to the dollar on March 10, it is at 65 Rubles to the dollar as of 0800 UTC May 15. The dollar and the euro have suffered against the Ruble to levels lower than before the conflict started.
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=RUB
Regarding the military front - I'm just waiting for the inevitable defeat of the AFU in Donbas, once that happens everything will come tumbling down. The ignorance of western MSM followers is that the look at the map and see a 1/2km move as "stalling" or "failing".. What they do not understand is that the objective is to defeat an army. There's no point in charging several km a day if you leave supply lines vulnerable or allow the enemy to mount counter offensives. That is why the Russians are moving slowly, they are grinding Ukraine's best (NATO) trained forces down.
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Just been reading up that the Ukranian artillery shells that destroyed the pontoon bridges was most likely launched from positions in Lisichansk. The Russians have locked onto these positions and partially succeeded in eliminating them. But there is still plenty of AFU artillery to take out any more pontoon bridges.
Russia have landed on the Southern shore of the river where the pontoon bridges were taken out with ampbhibous vehicles and more continue to land. It appears as if a bridgehead has finally been made after 3 unsuccessful attempts. AFU haven't denied this yet, so we can assume it's true. The problem for the AFU is because Popasnaya has fallen Russian forces are moving north with large numbers - so that is keeping them busy. The problem for the Russians is, unless they maintain and protect this pontoon bridge can't keep the supply line open.
Jacon Dreizin also said in his recent podcast that the Russians know full well the risk with these pontoon bridges so they are always sending their older equipment first. That's why a lot of the destroyed vehicles in those videos the other day are from pre-1990.
Russia have landed on the Southern shore of the river where the pontoon bridges were taken out with ampbhibous vehicles and more continue to land. It appears as if a bridgehead has finally been made after 3 unsuccessful attempts. AFU haven't denied this yet, so we can assume it's true. The problem for the AFU is because Popasnaya has fallen Russian forces are moving north with large numbers - so that is keeping them busy. The problem for the Russians is, unless they maintain and protect this pontoon bridge can't keep the supply line open.
Jacon Dreizin also said in his recent podcast that the Russians know full well the risk with these pontoon bridges so they are always sending their older equipment first. That's why a lot of the destroyed vehicles in those videos the other day are from pre-1990.
One thing that is clear to me and this is from both sides. Almost all of the soldiers dying is from artillery. Mostly from grads and mortars and Soviet era equipment. These western small ams are almost insignificant in this conflict. So anyone saying the Javellins and NLAWs are great things is lying. That's why the west are trying their best to get heavy weapons to the frontlines in Donbas. So far there is only one confirmed video of an American self propelled heavy gun being used in Ukraine. It's unlikely to be in the Donbas but you never know. Western artillery can hit targets at higher distances (50km vs 35km) so the Russians are try to make sure that none of this gets anywhere near the Lisichansk cauldron.
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You still don’t know the difference between defensive and offensive weapons ??
Just lay off reading the one sided propaganda. It seriously hurts your analytical thinking. Trust me I used to do the same so take the advice.
Anyway let me explain to you to that the Nlaw and Javelin anti tank weapons were very effective during the start of the war against Russian armoury when they were entering the outskirts of Kyiv and Kharkiv. These not just slowed down the Russian millitary in making advances but caused absolute terror for the Russian crew in the tanks and armoured vehicles as they totally destroyed the vehicles from the inside.
The Russian supply lines especially became sitting ducks for these weapons and it’s one of the reasons they retreated first from Kyiv and now Kharkiv.
However like I said these are defensive weapons against an attacking army. They are not going to be effective in the more open Donbas areas and against Russian artillery that fires from miles away. The Ukrainians obviously need heavy offensive weapons for this battle.
And the western artillery especially the American M777 howitzer is much more accurate and in longer range compared to Russian artillery so at best this will be a stalemate for the Russians as they will have gained absolutely nothing in this failed millitary adventure barring a total destroyed city in the south that will become defunct for years.
At the start putin went on state tv saying he had 3 aims:
De nazify Ukraine
Stop Ukraine joining nato
Total de militarization of Ukraine.
The only way to do any of the 3 is to topple the Ukrainians government and put a pro Russian one in that agrees to all of the 3.
So the idea Russia didn't want kyiv is utter rubbish. How else could they topple the Ukrainian government?
De nazify Ukraine
Stop Ukraine joining nato
Total de militarization of Ukraine.
The only way to do any of the 3 is to topple the Ukrainians government and put a pro Russian one in that agrees to all of the 3.
So the idea Russia didn't want kyiv is utter rubbish. How else could they topple the Ukrainian government?
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Why is Austin and the Pentagon calling for a ceasefire? It wasn't Shoigu who requested a meeting it was Austin.
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Of course the goal was regime change, but the Russian military has shown that it is not up to the task.
So now all Putin can hope for is to land-grab Donbas. Zelensky could accept that loss in return for a ceasefire and Putin could claim to the Russian people that “deNazification” has been a success.
Going forward, I am less sure. Ukraine will join a rejuvenated and reinforced NATO, and then Putin cannot advance further without risking cataclysm.
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Bro they could take kyiv any time they just aren't trying dont believe the bbc /sarc
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