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Bro they could take kyiv any time they just aren't trying dont believe the bbc /sarc

The only way they could have taken it was totally destroying and flattening the city like the way they did it to Grozny/Mariupol. That was never Putins plan in the first place.

It’s not about believing the “BBC”, it’s about what the objectives were for Putin. He wanted a quick victory to take out the Zelensky government and install his own puppet government - similar to the model in Belarus.

He got bad intelligence - both in what would happen if his army did the invasion (he didn’t envisage the stiff resistance) and that his millitary was totally ill equipped and ill prepared for such an adeventure.

This has all happened because the Russian government has become a totalitarian state - Putin has dismantled all the institutions including the media to the opposition to disallow any dissent or debate. The Russian opposition leader was assassinated only 8 years ago and the current one is rotting in jail.
So many journalists have been killed in Russia, all of them ordered by the state.

Considering the amount of natural resources Russia has at its disposal it should have become an economic powerhouse.
Instead Putin focused on Russia to become a ultra national imperial state that is now riddled with corruption and oligarchs plundering the wealth by investing it from Europe to Dubai.
Pakistan has more democracy and media dissent than Russia, that’s how far Russia has fallen back on this front.
 
90mph you didn’t answer my question. If Russia are losing why is it that Austin and the pentagon are seeking a ceasefire?
 
Nazis are completely irrelevant to the Ukraine war: they have zero place in the discussion just like Pygmies and Eskimos. It’s an outrageous trope.

The problems currently are:

1. War criminals who destroy houses with artillery. The Russian Army.

2. War criminals who rape. The Russian Army.

3. War criminals who loot and steal. The Russian Army.

4. War criminals who murder civilians. The Russian Army.

There are no further discussions to be had about Nazis, Pygmies or Eskimos.

Anyone who uses the Nazi lie in Ukraine quite simply self-identifies as a pro-Russian stooge and an anti-Semite. It’s that simple.

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If ISIS were the NATIONAL GUARD of Pakistan, you and middle aged white men would be the first to cry out demanding they be dismantled.

You have no crediblity but only blind support for Nato no matter if they are a terrorist entity and not matter if they support Neo Nazis.

Russia is not losing, it has won a long time ago because the Eastern regions will NEVER be in Ukranian/Nazi/Nato hands again. Also Nazis are in hell enjoying life with their heros of the past.

Stop embarrassing yourself.
 
Looks like NATO will be expanding its sphere into Sweden and Finland soon, so as a result of this war that’s two more countries who will become members of the Western armed forces including one that has a direct land border with Russia.
 
Looks like NATO will be expanding its sphere into Sweden and Finland soon, so as a result of this war that’s two more countries who will become members of the Western armed forces including one that has a direct land border with Russia.

Nato is USA with its lapdogs hanging on. America wont mind tensions in Europe, they dont care even if the Euro or Sterling is going down the drain, the food prices and inflation are rocketing.

Europe is stupid, it should be independent and make good ties with Russia.

You cannot end a nation so big, with so much natural resources, huge powerful allies and the most advanced nuclear missile systems in history.

I feel sorry for the children in Europe who will have to grow up in fear and struggle to pay bills for decades to come in the next few years.
 
Stopped reading at this point. The British MSM and intelligence is becoming a laughing stock.
No, you are just showcasing your lack of understanding of this issue.

The UK broadcast media is regulated by OFCOM, which has strict rules for the neutral and objective content and delivery of news.

This is why Fox News USA had to relinquish its licence to broadcast in the UK in 2017, because it was too biased.

This is why Russia Today lost its licence to broadcast over its own propaganda and bias.

This is why Sky News UK is an objective News reporting network, whereas Sky News Australia is a Fox News style right-wing propaganda factory.

Anyone who sees significant bias in the British broadcast media’s news reporting - even GB News - is just showcasing their own partisan blindness.

Similarly, the laws of libel in the UK absolutely do not permit US First Amendment style “freedom of speech” to allow the kind of lies that Donald Trump’s Twitter feed used to propagate. In fact, when Elon Musk won his “Pedo Guy” court case in the USA a couple of years ago he would have lost the case in a British court.

I have lost patience with seeing the BBC endlessly libelled in this thread. From now on, I will challenge every such malicious falsehood by pro-Russian trolls.
 
I have lost patience with seeing the BBC endlessly libelled in this thread. From now on, I will challenge every such malicious falsehood by pro-Russian trolls.

Euphemism for when someone’s opinion is intellectually bankrupt, go out all guns blazing defending their sources, Someone cite this guy a list outlining the number of times BBC has been held liable.

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No, you are just showcasing your lack of understanding of this issue.

The UK broadcast media is regulated by OFCOM, which has strict rules for the neutral and objective content and delivery of news.

This is why Fox News USA had to relinquish its licence to broadcast in the UK in 2017, because it was too biased.

This is why Russia Today lost its licence to broadcast over its own propaganda and bias.

This is why Sky News UK is an objective News reporting network, whereas Sky News Australia is a Fox News style right-wing propaganda factory.

Anyone who sees significant bias in the British broadcast media’s news reporting - even GB News - is just showcasing their own partisan blindness.

Similarly, the laws of libel in the UK absolutely do not permit US First Amendment style “freedom of speech” to allow the kind of lies that Donald Trump’s Twitter feed used to propagate. In fact, when Elon Musk won his “Pedo Guy” court case in the USA a couple of years ago he would have lost the case in a British court.

I have lost patience with seeing the BBC endlessly libelled in this thread. From now on, I will challenge every such malicious falsehood by pro-Russian trolls.

I agree that Russia is not getting its way at all. I mean I have posted that in this thread, their performance has been pretty poor and they have suffered a lot and under sanctions their military power is all but gone.

However, BBC is a COMPLETE joke.

There are millions of people protesting everyday in Pakistan, some parts of my extended family back home today arranged transports of 100s of people for protests. Yet nothing on the BBC, in a major nuclear power. BBC's last article on Khan said he has become unpopular. Which is a complete outright lie.

BBC also spends most of its time smashing China, sometimes rightfully, but its Asia page is mostly full of propaganda ** when it comes to India. A nation which is openly crushing, lynching, jailing its minorities and who's ministers openly proclaim their genocidal promises. If you base your view of India from BBC you'd think its a democratic haven.

BBC is still better than others but it has LONG stopped being impartial.

Russia has been punished and will never be the same power again. But proclaiming BBC as some sort of champion of unbiased coverage is hilariously dishonest.
 
No, you are just showcasing your lack of understanding of this issue.

The UK broadcast media is regulated by OFCOM, which has strict rules for the neutral and objective content and delivery of news.

This is why Fox News USA had to relinquish its licence to broadcast in the UK in 2017, because it was too biased.

This is why Russia Today lost its licence to broadcast over its own propaganda and bias.

This is why Sky News UK is an objective News reporting network, whereas Sky News Australia is a Fox News style right-wing propaganda factory.

Anyone who sees significant bias in the British broadcast media’s news reporting - even GB News - is just showcasing their own partisan blindness.

Similarly, the laws of libel in the UK absolutely do not permit US First Amendment style “freedom of speech” to allow the kind of lies that Donald Trump’s Twitter feed used to propagate. In fact, when Elon Musk won his “Pedo Guy” court case in the USA a couple of years ago he would have lost the case in a British court.

I have lost patience with seeing the BBC endlessly libelled in this thread. From now on, I will challenge every such malicious falsehood by pro-Russian troll
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Please dont stop you provide great comedy value. BBC is neutral :)))

Which is why they write articles attacking others for freedom of speech when its own nation and friends have banned RT, Press TV, numerous youtube channels and news apps. Any news of Ukraine which doesnt agree with Nato terrorism is banned. Great point.
 
The BBC reported like most of the western MSM that Russia were responsible for the killings in Bucha. No independent investigation happened and we now know there is more and more evidence that some Ukrainian forces did it.
 
I agree that Russia is not getting its way at all. I mean I have posted that in this thread, their performance has been pretty poor and they have suffered a lot and under sanctions their military power is all but gone.

However, BBC is a COMPLETE joke.

There are millions of people protesting everyday in Pakistan, some parts of my extended family back home today arranged transports of 100s of people for protests. Yet nothing on the BBC, in a major nuclear power. BBC's last article on Khan said he has become unpopular. Which is a complete outright lie.

BBC also spends most of its time smashing China, sometimes rightfully, but its Asia page is mostly full of propaganda ** when it comes to India. A nation which is openly crushing, lynching, jailing its minorities and who's ministers openly proclaim their genocidal promises. If you base your view of India from BBC you'd think its a democratic haven.

BBC is still better than others but it has LONG stopped being impartial.

Russia has been punished and will never be the same power again. But proclaiming BBC as some sort of champion of unbiased coverage is hilariously dishonest.

To be fair, BBC didn't give up it's impartiality reputation lightly, they had the UK's best selling media waging war against them, and I guess those publications could say they represented Britain best. Can't really argue with that.
 
Looks like NATO will be expanding its sphere into Sweden and Finland soon, so as a result of this war that’s two more countries who will become members of the Western armed forces including one that has a direct land border with Russia.

Proper check mate move here. They have tied Russia up on one border and moved into the other.

What can Vlad do now? He hasn't even got the balls to switch off the gas despite knowing that Europe aims to wean itself off Russian gas in the coming years anyway.

Only someone with their head buried in the sand could see this misery as a Russian victory.
 
Proper check mate move here. They have tied Russia up on one border and moved into the other.

What can Vlad do now? He hasn't even got the balls to switch off the gas despite knowing that Europe aims to wean itself off Russian gas in the coming years anyway.

Only someone with their head buried in the sand could see this misery as a Russian victory.

The EU has agreed to pay for gas in rubles. I would say that’s the biggest win so far in this conflict.
 
The EU has agreed to pay for gas in rubles. I would say that’s the biggest win so far in this conflict.

Its to see through this winter, after that the ruble and russian supplies will be dumped if putin is still in charge. Regardless, the payments will be made in Euros and dollars. The russians can convert them to ruble, bitcoin or magic beans if they want.

The way things are going he will still be bombing the steelworks plant by Christmas anyway :))
 
Finland faces Russia electricity cutoff

https://www.politico.eu/article/finland-faces-russia-electricity-cutoff/

MSM sheep wondering about gas and oil, history given European nations are now paying in Rubels. Putin's next move, electricity.

See this is the problem with MSM sheep, they only ever read one side of the story.

Check mate my backside.

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Oh wow!!! Great detective work. Can you let the Finns know they risk being cut off, I mean its unlikely they have taken it into account or taken any preparations, before announcing they were joining NATO right :)))

Write them a letter with your crayons and maybe they will take action.

Also politico is as big a msm source as you can find lol :))
 
Oh wow!!! Great detective work. Can you let the Finns know they risk being cut off, I mean its unlikely they have taken it into account or taken any preparations, before announcing they were joining NATO right :)))

Write them a letter with your crayons and maybe they will take action.

Also politico is as big a msm source as you can find lol :))

Irrelevant. Russia has threatened to cut off electricity to Finland while you cling to the gas line. Keep up.

And if this news is MSM, it shows how out of touch you are.

Happy reading.
 
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Oh wow!!! Great detective work. Can you let the Finns know they risk being cut off, I mean its unlikely they have taken it into account or taken any preparations, before announcing they were joining NATO right :)))

Write them a letter with your crayons and maybe they will take action.

Also politico is as big a msm source as you can find lol :))

Let’s see how long the populations in these countries tolerate spiralling costs and a lack of essential resources and food. My suspicion is that for all the big talk they will cave.
 
Irrelevant. Russia has threatened to cut off electricity to Finland while you cling to the gas line. Keep up.

According to some of the Russians on social media they will be cut off, it’s not a threat. Finland refuse to pay. As much as we would like to believe it’s a retaliatory measure it’s not. This is just to do with missing payment.
 
Russia reveals more info and proof on the bio-labs in Ukraine. You wont find this on the BBC but it is truly scary what Nato seems to have been planning. Sadly for them Putin has destroyed most and has all the info of their biological proxy war plans.

BBC readers and middle aged men from Europe will say its all lies , Nato are angels.
 
Let’s see how long the populations in these countries tolerate spiralling costs and a lack of essential resources and food. My suspicion is that for all the big talk they will cave.

Tbh I dont think they will cave. This is a measured move by thr Fins and Nato.

The Propaganda machine will keep people going for a long time.

The politicial isolation and military defeat of Russia is too big a prize for Nato countries to allow their population to worry about the price of fish and chips.

Ukrainians have been sacrificed but the West end goal will be reached in the process.

Acknowledgement of these facts doesn't necessarily excuse Nato of their well documented crimes across the world....but only a person with special needs can spin this as a Russian victory.

It is a massive set back for the Putin regime.
 
According to some of the Russians on social media they will be cut off, it’s not a threat. Finland refuse to pay. As much as we would like to believe it’s a retaliatory measure it’s not. This is just to do with missing payment.

Once Russia rinse the dependencies of its energy, resources such as Palladium will be next.

By the time it'll be xmas, energy bills in the West will go through the roof, while Russia will offset its energy supplies to the fastest growing economies - India and China. Russia will rake it in from East and West.

Putin has played a masterstroke.
 
Here's a good bet, Putin ain't going anywhere anytime soon, by then, Trump will become President of Amreeka, 1 phone call between the 2, the war will end.

Great odds if can be found, but the post reaction of Pro NATO, Pro MSM, and Pro Left would be priceless.
 
Looks like we have a Karen in the house.

Still cracking up, 'Russia doesn't have the balls to cut off Gas to Finland'; nope, Putin went a step ahead with threatening to cut off electricity.

The only ones who had no balls were NATO/EU, couldn't even impose a no fly zone over Ukraine. :)))
 
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Here's a good bet, Putin ain't going anywhere anytime soon, by then, Trump will become President of Amreeka, 1 phone call between the 2, the war will end.

Great odds if can be found, but the post reaction of Pro NATO, Pro MSM, and Pro Left would be priceless.
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So Russia has won the war according to you, but your prediction is we need to wait 2 years for Trumps arrival for it to conclude.

And all it needs is a phone call hahahaha

What kind of victory is this :))
 
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So Russia has won the war according to you, but your prediction is we need to wait 2 years for Trumps arrival for it to conclude.

And all it needs is a phone call hahahaha

What kind of victory is this :))

You see folks, the above is short term thinking based on MSM propaganda.

What the MSM do not want you to know:

SWIFT in decline.
Petrodollar in decline.
Ukraine doesn't join NATO.
Cost of energy up in the WEST
Cost of food up in the WEST
Ruble on the ascendency
Lefty democrats out, Republicans in (Trump)
More civil unrest in Amreeka as a result
Meanwhile Russia rakes it in from the East

Win/Win/Win/Win for Russia. (The longer the war goes on the more profit and gain for Russia)

Loss/Loss/Loss/Loss for bootlickers of NATO, MSM, USD, and the left.

MSM sheep cannot see as far as their pinochhio noses.

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Oh but but but Russia failed to take control of Kyiv, so Russia has lost according to MSM.

MSM followers don't get it, Kyiv was a side show, a distraction.

God, no wonder the sheep are so easily duped.
 
I don’t think Putin or indeed anyone has played a masterstroke here.

Seems to me that Putin is using his considerable political experience to navigate this scenario as best he can because it has not unfolded quite as he would have anticipated or hoped.

Many pages ago in this thread I opined something along the lines that Putin usually calculates his foreign policy moves carefully and gets them spot on, whereas this time, he may have jumped the shark.

The law of unintended consequences is very much in play at the moment. This war is going to drag on for a while yet.
 
You see folks, the above is short term thinking based on MSM propaganda.

What the MSM do not want you to know:

SWIFT in decline.
Petrodollar in decline.
Ukraine doesn't join NATO.
Cost of energy up in the WEST
Cost of food up in the WEST
Ruble on the ascendency
Lefty democrats out, Republicans in (Trump)
More civil unrest in Amreeka as a result
Meanwhile Russia rakes it in from the East

Win/Win/Win/Win for Russia. (The longer the war goes on the more profit and gain for Russia)

Loss/Loss/Loss/Loss for bootlickers of NATO, MSM, USD, and the left.

MSM sheep cannot see as far as their pinochhio noses.

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So let me get this straight.

10,000+ dead Russians, billions in military hardware destroyed and a ridiculous amounts of sanctions later and.... All this is part of Putins plan???
 
Looks like NATO will be expanding its sphere into Sweden and Finland soon, so as a result of this war that’s two more countries who will become members of the Western armed forces including one that has a direct land border with Russia.

Yes. All Putin has achieved is to strengthen his enemies, unify their resolve, and turn neutral sides against him.

The invasion of Ukraine is a vanity project for him, I think - he knows he has little time left and wants to be remembered as a Tsar who restored Russian power. And as [MENTION=23613]90MPH[/MENTION] opines, he may have been fed bad intel by yes-men. This is always a risk for dictators.
 
So let me get this straight.

10,000+ dead Russians, billions in military hardware destroyed and a ridiculous amounts of sanctions later and.... All this is part of Putins plan???

:)))

And the best part is that these loonies are waiting for Trump in 2024 for the war to end.

We finally have QAnon believers on Pakpassion.
 
So let me get this straight.

10,000+ dead Russians, billions in military hardware destroyed and a ridiculous amounts of sanctions later and.... All this is part of Putins plan???

Also this notion of SWIFT in decline is nonsense.

The system China and Russia have barely registers 15,000 transaction messages compared to 60 million of SWIFT.

The entire world's banking system isn't going to crash because Russians aren't in SWIFT. If this was the case they would have themselves abandoned SWIFT ages ago
 
So let me get this straight.

10,000+ dead Russians, billions in military hardware destroyed and a ridiculous amounts of sanctions later and.... All this is part of Putins plan???

40,000+ dead Ukranians
Crimea to Russia land corridor secured
Kherson gone
Most of the best AFU army encircled or about to be destroyed
No air force of note - except the odd helicopter or fighter jet
No navy

Ukraine and the collective west aren't exactly winning this war either.
 
I don’t think Putin or indeed anyone has played a masterstroke here.

Seems to me that Putin is using his considerable political experience to navigate this scenario as best he can because it has not unfolded quite as he would have anticipated or hoped.

Many pages ago in this thread I opined something along the lines that Putin usually calculates his foreign policy moves carefully and gets them spot on, whereas this time, he may have jumped the shark.

The law of unintended consequences is very much in play at the moment. This war is going to drag on for a while yet.

Putin did not want to invade Ukraine. In fact I would say he wanted to avoid any conflict at all costs. But the fact that the AFU (with NATO support) were going to launch an assault on the Donbas' militias in early March forced him into making the move in February.

The war is actually over and was over in the first two weeks. What's happening right now is the killing of territorial Ukranian forces because the west wants to bleed Russia.

The flood of weapons is not to defeat Russia in the Donbas - but to prolong the conflict. The sad part is that most of the public who listen/watch MSM are being told the flood of weapons is to defeat Russia. If only the MSM told the public the truth.
 
Putin has not strengthened the West. He hasn't gained any new enemies, NATO/West have been critical of Russia for decades. What Putin has achieved is the unification of the East.

More than 90 nations abstained from condemning Russia at the UN, Biden and Boris went on a worldwide begging spree to arm twist the likes of China, India, and ME - failed.

West imposed sanction from top to bottom, thinking they could cripple Russia's economy by destroying its currency (classic procedure of the West). Sanctions failed.

Russia has galvanised the movement against SWIFT and Petrodollar. China, India, Saudi, Isreal are on record stating they will (and are) buying oil in non USD currency.

Putin's actions have also confirmed what some of us knew all along - the hypocrisy of Western media reporting and the cracks within the EU - France & Germany against the rest of Europe.

Russia is now selling oil to the 2 fastest growing economies in the East at 25% discount, and make no mistake, the East is a bigger economic market than the crippling West.

Speaking of oil, the price of oil now means bumper profits for Western oil companies. Shell, BP, announced recording breaking profits keeping the FTSE above the 7000 mark while markets collapse more than 20%. Aramco is now the world's largest company based on net worth. You think these companies care about Ukraine or their pockets? The longer the war goes on, the deeper the pockets are filled.

Now, does Russia think all of this gain is worth the lives of Russian soilders? You bet, in the same way USA sacrificed their men and women in global wars for the sake of preserving the Petrodollar and saving 10c on the gallon.

We hear so much from NATO and Putin critics that Russia's goal is to destablise the West, Economically, Socially, and Politically - all 3 are happening right now, accelerated.

Wars of today are not about gaining land anymore, economic warfare has taken priority, and my word, Putin has duped the West into thinking Kyiv/Ukraine was his goal, it's not - the destruction of the USD is Russia's goal. Destroy the USD, the West will then evaporate.

So Putin critics, you keep counting the weapons used, the lives lost, the lands lost, the applications for NATO (we all know NATO dare not declare war on Russia anyway) meanwhile Russia is setting up shop in the East while the West scrambles to save it's economy.

64 Rubles to 1 USD right now Gotta hurt the MSM/NATO puppets.
 
40,000+ dead Ukranians
Crimea to Russia land corridor secured
Kherson gone
Most of the best AFU army encircled or about to be destroyed
No air force of note - except the odd helicopter or fighter jet
No navy

Ukraine and the collective west aren't exactly winning this war either.

Ukraine was expendable in this war. It was a war between Nato and Russia. The Ukrainians were used and abused.

Nobody really believed the Russian claims of de-nazification. The real intention was to ensure that NATO was pushed out of the region and that Russian neighbours would think twice about joining NATO.

Ukrain hasn't gained anything but will be rewarded after the war.

Russia hasn't gained anything but leaves with a severely damaged reputation, torn relations with the west and more NATO intrusion on its borders.

'The West' has lost nothing. NATO still has its reputation as technically they didn't have to defend Ukraine because it is not a member state, plus they will now be directly on Russias border with Finland.
 
'The West' has lost nothing. NATO still has its reputation as technically they didn't have to defend Ukraine because it is not a member state, plus they will now be directly on Russias border with Finland.

I keep hearing that NATO are winning and Russia is losing. But Russia aren't the ones mobilising. Russia aren't the ones pleading for weapons. Russia aren't the ones sending territorial defence to fight. NATO trained the AFU army in the Donbas - we know this because there is evidence of captured foreign commanders.

If Russia are doing so badly, why is it that Austin and the Pentagon contacted Shoigu and the Russian MoD calling for a ceasefire. Isn't it supposed to be the other way around? Explain that to me.
 
Bones, according to the experts how many lives have the Russian army lost and how many tanks, planes. ships, helicopters.
 
Bones, according to the experts how many lives have the Russian army lost and how many tanks, planes. ships, helicopters.

About 15,000-17,000 troops lost so far but the majority during phase 1. Since phase 2 began the numbers have gone down for the Russians.

Right now for every Russian soldier lost, 5/6 Ukranians are lost. This is primarily because the Russians have decided to go more carefully and use their artillery advantage.

In terms of equipment they've lost a big number, not as much as the Ukranians but nevertheless they've suffered losses.

The key to note is, if the Ukranians have lost over 2000 armored vehicles and tanks, that's over 75% of the total inventory. If Russia have lost 2000 too (it's not that many) then that's about 10-15% of their total inventory.
 
Ukraine was expendable in this war. It was a war between Nato and Russia. The Ukrainians were used and abused.

Nobody really believed the Russian claims of de-nazification. The real intention was to ensure that NATO was pushed out of the region and that Russian neighbours would think twice about joining NATO.

Ukrain hasn't gained anything but will be rewarded after the war.

Russia hasn't gained anything but leaves with a severely damaged reputation, torn relations with the west and more NATO intrusion on its borders.

'The West' has lost nothing. NATO still has its reputation as technically they didn't have to defend Ukraine because it is not a member state, plus they will now be directly on Russias border with Finland.

Turkey can veto Finlands membership and Swedens. Erdoğan will extract a heavy price to prevent this.

NATO expansion will also increase the likely hood of Russian intervention at some point in the North.

With regards to the losses. Every number be it given by the Ukrainians or the Russians is false. Nobody knows the exact number of casualties but if one looks at things logically and using the maps and circumstantial evidence then the Ukrainian armed forces have ceased to exist at the highest strategic level.They are reduced to at best brigade level.

The Russians are taking their time. This is not an easy war. This isnalso not the middle east.
We have been spoilt by images of triumphant Americans whooping with glee with John Simpson in tow. The Russians are prepared to slog it out and take every inch of territory in the east bit by bit. They are cutting up the Ukrainian military slowly and surely. From destroying supply lines and logistics to other areas. Yes they have taken casualties but they are close tonqiping out about 60k Ukrainians in the donbass.

They have also wiped out the Ukrainian airforce. Hence why they can move around with relative impunity.

They have also achieved the land bridge to crimea and this whole area will become part of Russia.

With regards to NATO they now have a very belligerent Russia on their borders who is now willing to intervene to protect its interests. No more Libya or Iraq style adventures in the near future. Also the dynamic in eurasia has shifted with country's now looking at bidens America and seeing a weakening empire.

The geopolitical fallout of Ukraine has not been fully felt yet and will become clearer in the next year or two.

Overall whatever the BBC is reporting must be taken with a grain of salt. And I should know as i worked there for a while.
 
About 15,000-17,000 troops lost so far but the majority during phase 1. Since phase 2 began the numbers have gone down for the Russians.

Right now for every Russian soldier lost, 5/6 Ukranians are lost. This is primarily because the Russians have decided to go more carefully and use their artillery advantage.

In terms of equipment they've lost a big number, not as much as the Ukranians but nevertheless they've suffered losses.

The key to note is, if the Ukranians have lost over 2000 armored vehicles and tanks, that's over 75% of the total inventory. If Russia have lost 2000 too (it's not that many) then that's about 10-15% of their total inventory.

So at the moment the experts say Russia has lost 15000-17000 soldiers and Ukraine have lost 75000-90000 soldiers.
 
About 15,000-17,000 troops lost so far but the majority during phase 1. Since phase 2 began the numbers have gone down for the Russians.

Right now for every Russian soldier lost, 5/6 Ukranians are lost. This is primarily because the Russians have decided to go more carefully and use their artillery advantage.

In terms of equipment they've lost a big number, not as much as the Ukranians but nevertheless they've suffered losses.

The key to note is, if the Ukranians have lost over 2000 armored vehicles and tanks, that's over 75% of the total inventory. If Russia have lost 2000 too (it's not that many) then that's about 10-15% of their total inventory.

Also the losses have been of equipment that was relatively older and mostly in the first phase.

The second phase has seen the T90SM being used in large numbers. The javelins alhave proven to be ineffective against these at the moment.

Also increased regular Russian troop usage has reduced casualties and increased Ukrainian casualties.

Once the east is taken the clock is ticking on the viability of the Ukrainian state as a legitimate entity.

Russian southern forces are moving quickly North and when they link up with Eastern forces the Ukrainians will be surrounded and will be eliminated.

After this attention will divert to the West. More Russian forces will.move in and air fileds will be repaired. Once the key logistics and supply lines are setup the Russians will begin flying sorties into the west. To disrupt Ukrainian logistics and comms..further..this will probably go on into the summer with good visibility.
 
So at the moment the experts say Russia has lost 15000-17000 soldiers and Ukraine have lost 75000-90000 soldiers.

Approx but numbers are not confirmed..however the best way you can make a guess is look up Ukrainian areas of operations and where they are fighting and what they are doing. If you see large scale ops and counter attacks then they still have large numbers..if not then this shows large scale disruption and destruction of cohesive force projection.
 
So at the moment the experts say Russia has lost 15000-17000 soldiers and Ukraine have lost 75000-90000 soldiers.

We won't get accurate figures because of propaganda. But using various sources from both sides and independent coverage. It seems to be that the Russians have lost 15k-17k and the Ukranians have lost between 50-60k.
 
Turkey can veto Finlands membership and Swedens. Erdoğan will extract a heavy price to prevent this.

NATO expansion will also increase the likely hood of Russian intervention at some point in the North.

With regards to the losses. Every number be it given by the Ukrainians or the Russians is false. Nobody knows the exact number of casualties but if one looks at things logically and using the maps and circumstantial evidence then the Ukrainian armed forces have ceased to exist at the highest strategic level.They are reduced to at best brigade level.

The Russians are taking their time. This is not an easy war. This isnalso not the middle east.
We have been spoilt by images of triumphant Americans whooping with glee with John Simpson in tow. The Russians are prepared to slog it out and take every inch of territory in the east bit by bit. They are cutting up the Ukrainian military slowly and surely. From destroying supply lines and logistics to other areas. Yes they have taken casualties but they are close tonqiping out about 60k Ukrainians in the donbass.

They have also wiped out the Ukrainian airforce. Hence why they can move around with relative impunity.

They have also achieved the land bridge to crimea and this whole area will become part of Russia.

With regards to NATO they now have a very belligerent Russia on their borders who is now willing to intervene to protect its interests. No more Libya or Iraq style adventures in the near future. Also the dynamic in eurasia has shifted with country's now looking at bidens America and seeing a weakening empire.

The geopolitical fallout of Ukraine has not been fully felt yet and will become clearer in the next year or two.

Overall whatever the BBC is reporting must be taken with a grain of salt. And I should know as i worked there for a while.

Given the circumstances its improbable that Turkey will veto Finland and Norway.

I don't consider this a war between Russia and Ukraine. There is no point calculating Ukranian losses. Unfortunately the west considers them expendable. They are basically what Afghanistan was against the Soviets.

NATO has exposed Russia to a sluggish, perhaps unwinnable war in Ukraine and they are not getting more and more bogged down in the quagmire.

The no more Iraq or Libya style adventures has nothing to do with this current Russian war. There is no basis to the giving the Russian action in Ukraine credit for this. NATO was already badly dented by its actions across the world and the armys of their constituent countries badly stretched. The abandonment of Afghanistan shows how they had no appetite for long commitments anymore.

The fact that NATO is happily goading Russia via the Fins and Swedes leads me to believe that they no there is little risk of Russian blockback if they extend their boundaries.

Also r.e the point of BBC etc. It's 2022, we are on an online forum full of multi lingual relatively internet savvy users. Don't make the same assumptions as Ravey Davey. There is an abundance of non bbc information indicating Russian challenges in this war.
 
I keep hearing that NATO are winning and Russia is losing. But Russia aren't the ones mobilising. Russia aren't the ones pleading for weapons. Russia aren't the ones sending territorial defence to fight. NATO trained the AFU army in the Donbas - we know this because there is evidence of captured foreign commanders.

If Russia are doing so badly, why is it that Austin and the Pentagon contacted Shoigu and the Russian MoD calling for a ceasefire. Isn't it supposed to be the other way around? Explain that to me.
Calls for ceasefire are bluffs, designed to paint Putin in a bad light. If he accepts they will paint it as defeat, if he rejects they will say he is a savage and is causing a humanitarian crisis.

This is basic psychology.
 
Russian southern forces are moving quickly North and when they link up with Eastern forces the Ukrainians will be surrounded and will be eliminated.

After this attention will divert to the West. More Russian forces will.move in and air fileds will be repaired. Once the key logistics and supply lines are setup the Russians will begin flying sorties into the west. To disrupt Ukrainian logistics and comms..further..this will probably go on into the summer with good visibility.

Agreed. The Russians move so quickly in the South to create this land corridor that it ensure communication and supply lines. From the East (Kharkiv) things moved much slower because they weren't able to secure a supply line though Izyum till month 2. But because the Ukranians are in well fortified positions in this area the Russians are going slowly to reduce losses.
 
Calls for ceasefire are bluffs, designed to paint Putin in a bad light. If he accepts they will paint it as defeat, if he rejects they will say he is a savage and is causing a humanitarian crisis.

This is basic psychology.

So no contact between Austin and Shoigu for 3 months and then a request to try and bluff the Russians? Yep - I'm sure that's believable.
 
So no contact between Austin and Shoigu for 3 months and then a request to try and bluff the Russians? Yep - I'm sure that's believable.

Welcome to the world of MSM farm. The reason you are not getting a logical answer to your question is cos the sheep haven't been feed the MSM propaganda kak, yet. Come back in a week when BBC mentions something. :)
 
The BBC’s Sarah Rainsford - who is a classical Cambridge Russianist from Fitzwilliam - has just published a devastating account of the targeting and mass murder of civilians in Bucha by lawless Russian soldiers.

The accounts of Russians holding guns to people’s heads screaming “where are the Nazis?” - and then shooting them whatever the answers - match not just stories from across the occupied areas but also fit in precisely with what we know about their crude indoctrination.

It’s just appalling.

We read all this gosh by Russian trolls about “the BBC”. So why do they expel people like Sarah Rainsford? Their own actions towards her actually settle any debate.
 
Incidentally, do the Russians even stop to think “ok, even if we magically wipe out the Ukrainian Armed Forces and “deNazify this Jewish President and his mates, how do we retain control of the population after we steal, rape, torture and murder them?”

The same ragtag remnants of the Russian battalions which raped and murdered their way between Belarus and Kyiv are now doing the same things in the Donbas.

Even if their do the usual Russian thing of using artillery for war crimes purposes to flatten towns, the population is just being groomed by Russia to hate them. And so many Ukrainians have been abducted to Russia that it will be easy to conduct revenge operations across Russia.

As Sarah Rainsford says, the Ukrainians are already piecing together which Russians occupied places like Bucha. I’d be awfully careful opening any letters or packages for the next decade if I lived in their households. Russia is making it easy for Ukraine to do to their fighters what the Israelis have always done to the Palestinians.

Then again, it’s only today that a number of Russian POWs have gone on camera talking about witnessing their own Russian officers shoot dead injured Russian troops rather than seeking medical help for them.

Russia’s disregard for the Laws of War clearly even extends to their own side!
 
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The BBC’s Sarah Rainsford - who is a classical Cambridge Russianist from Fitzwilliam - has just published a devastating account of the targeting and mass murder of civilians in Bucha by lawless Russian soldiers.

The accounts of Russians holding guns to people’s heads screaming “where are the Nazis?” - and then shooting them whatever the answers - match not just stories from across the occupied areas but also fit in precisely with what we know about their crude indoctrination.

It’s just appalling.

We read all this gosh by Russian trolls about “the BBC”. So why do they expel people like Sarah Rainsford? Their own actions towards her actually settle any debate.

No independent investigation has happened so until then best to reserve any judgement.

The BBC is a total joke like most western media. For example the Kramatorsk train station attack which is out of the news now - evidence suggests the missile used was from the Ukrainian inventory and launched from a location controlled by the AFU. But the BBC ran with multiple headlines and other coverage that gave the impression it was Russia who did it. Are the BBC a trustworthy news source? I think definitely not.
 
Firstly let me just put this out there. I'm not a Russian troll. My interest in this war is from a military analyst perspective as that is where my interest and hobby lies.

Secondly with regards to atrocities yes they will commit them and more than likely will probably commit more.

Thirdly the MSM on both sides is biased. That's what happens in a war. The best you can do is pick and analyse between the cracks.

Fourthly there are some truths and some untruths. Both sides have them.

Finally the war will continue. Russia will gain the east. It is inevitable and NATO knows this. The question then is what next. Will they stop. Will they move further into the east? According to Russian sources Putin has no choice and will keep going. Thus at some point one has to ask when will a negotiated settlement be reached?
 
Incidentally, do the Russians even stop to think “ok, even if we magically wipe out the Ukrainian Armed Forces and “deNazify this Jewish President and his mates, how do we retain control of the population after we steal, rape, torture and murder them?”

The same ragtag remnants of the Russian battalions which raped and murdered their way between Belarus and Kyiv are now doing the same things in the Donbas.

Even if their do the usual Russian thing of using artillery for war crimes purposes to flatten towns, the population is just being groomed by Russia to hate them. And so many Ukrainians have been abducted to Russia that it will be easy to conduct revenge operations across Russia.

As Sarah Rainsford says, the Ukrainians are already piecing together which Russians occupied places like Bucha. I’d be awfully careful opening any letters or packages for the next decade if I lived in their households. Russia is making it easy for Ukraine to do to their fighters what the Israelis have always done to the Palestinians.

Then again, it’s only today that a number of Russian POWs have gone on camera talking about witnessing their own Russian officers shoot dead injured Russian troops rather than seeking medical help for them.

Russia’s disregard for the Laws of War clearly even extends to their own side!

I worked at the BBC..All will say is they are not to be trusted..and i will leave it at that..
 
No independent investigation has happened so until then best to reserve any judgement.

The BBC is a total joke like most western media. For example the Kramatorsk train station attack which is out of the news now - evidence suggests the missile used was from the Ukrainian inventory and launched from a location controlled by the AFU. But the BBC ran with multiple headlines and other coverage that gave the impression it was Russia who did it. Are the BBC a trustworthy news source? I think definitely not.
Firstly, the news stories that it was a Ukrainian missile have been completely debunked as crude Russian propaganda.

Secondly, don’t forget that official Russian communications:

1. Warned Ukrainian civilians the night before not to evacuate from that station.

2. Claimed credit for a missile strike on the station to have successfully destroyed military trains at the station.

Only when it became clear that the civilian death toll could not be denied did the Russian propaganda machine suddenly deny responsibility for the missile strike that it had already taken “credit”’for.
 
Incidentally, do the Russians even stop to think “ok, even if we magically wipe out the Ukrainian Armed Forces and “deNazify this Jewish President and his mates, how do we retain control of the population after we steal, rape, torture and murder them?”
The AFU is killing and raping civilians. Just ask the people of Donbas. The people of Donbas will be more than happy to be controlled by Russia or control themselves. They don’t want to be controlled by the very people who killed 14k civilians in the last 8 years.
The same ragtag remnants of the Russian battalions which raped and murdered their way between Belarus and Kyiv are now doing the same things in the Donbas.
No independent investigation was conducted before these accusations were made and the crime scene was ruined before an investigation could occur. Sad people died, but right now there’s more evidence pointing to the Ukranians being responsible than Russia. But hey, the ICC are in Ukraine right now I believe, why not send the investigators over?

Even if their do the usual Russian thing of using artillery for war crimes purposes to flatten towns, the population is just being groomed by Russia to hate them. And so many Ukrainians have been abducted to Russia that it will be easy to conduct revenge operations across Russia.
Any evidence of Ukranians being abducted? Please provide a solid source if you can. The Russians haven’t flattened any town. If you want to know what flattening a town is, then read up on the raids of WW2 or the recent invasions of the middle-east. The Russians left the railway system running until day 62. They left the internet, water, electricity etc etc all running . If they wanted to cause total destruction those things would have been taken out on day 1. Look at the civilian casualties on this conflict and compare to other conflicts at the same stage. You can see by the numbers the Russians are going out of their way to avoid civilian casualties.
As Sarah Rainsford says, the Ukrainians are already piecing together which Russians occupied places like Bucha. I’d be awfully careful opening any letters or packages for the next decade if I lived in their households. Russia is making it easy for Ukraine to do to their fighters what the Israelis have always done to the Palestinians.
Lol. Quite funny reading people who stomach all the nonsense from western MSM propaganda. As Lavrov said, if the situation in Ukraine concerns you so much, just imagine it’s somewhere in Africa and the Americans are the ones on the other side of the conflict. You’ll sleep peacefully.

Then again, it’s only today that a number of Russian POWs have gone on camera talking about witnessing their own Russian officers shoot injured Russian troops rather than seeking medical help for them.

Russia’s disregard for the Laws of War clearly even extends to their own side!

It’s beggars belief that this guy thinks it’s Russia who is disregarding the Geneva convention. What about the videos of Russian PoWs shot in the knees and who bled to death. What about the video of the Georgian mercenaries fighting for the AFU who killed Russians with the white flag out.

These things are happening on both sides, there’s mounting evidence so why make it look like the AFU are angels?
 
Firstly let me just put this out there. I'm not a Russian troll. My interest in this war is from a military analyst perspective as that is where my interest and hobby lies.

Secondly with regards to atrocities yes they will commit them and more than likely will probably commit more.

Thirdly the MSM on both sides is biased. That's what happens in a war. The best you can do is pick and analyse between the cracks.

Fourthly there are some truths and some untruths. Both sides have them.

Finally the war will continue. Russia will gain the east. It is inevitable and NATO knows this. The question then is what next. Will they stop. Will they move further into the east? According to Russian sources Putin has no choice and will keep going. Thus at some point one has to ask when will a negotiated settlement be reached?

“MSM on both sides is biased”?????

The BBC is not aligned with either side. It’s is a neutral news organisation subject to strict objectiveness regulations, and protected from government oversight or influence.

Meanwhile the British government is trying desperately to reduce public demand for things like a No-Fly Zone - the last thing it wants is for reporting of Russian atrocities to suck it into a war it doesn’t want to be a protagonist in.

Two propaganda machines are at work in this conflict.

Russian propaganda is crude and convinces only the ignorant, the stupid or the biased.

Ukrainian propaganda is slick and effective, and tends to use real Russian outrages as a means of mobilising support.

The likes of the BBC, NY Times and Washington Post are just reporting the actual news.
 
Firstly, the news stories that it was a Ukrainian missile have been completely debunked as crude Russian propaganda.

Secondly, don’t forget that official Russian communications:

1. Warned Ukrainian civilians the night before not to evacuate from that station.

2. Claimed credit for a missile strike on the station to have successfully destroyed military trains at the station.

Only when it became clear that the civilian death toll could not be denied did the Russian propaganda machine suddenly deny responsibility for the missile strike that it had already taken “credit”’for.

The Russians did not and have not used a single Toshcka missile all war long. The Ukranians have been using them repeatedly. The Russians who have gone out of their way to avoid civilian casualties would throw all of that away to attack evacuating civilians at a train station when they have let millions evacuate since the beginning? It's pretty darn stupid to think that the Russians would target this train station when they've had chances from day 1 to attack train stations with evacuating civilians all over the country.
 
“MSM on both sides is biased”?????

The BBC is not aligned with either side. It’s is a neutral news organisation subject to strict objectiveness regulations, and protected from government oversight or influence.

Meanwhile the British government is trying desperately to reduce public demand for things like a No-Fly Zone - the last thing it wants is for reporting of Russian atrocities to suck it into a war it doesn’t want to be a protagonist in.

Two propaganda machines are at work in this conflict.

Russian propaganda is crude and convinces only the ignorant, the stupid or the biased.

Ukrainian propaganda is slick and effective, and tends to use real Russian outrages as a means of mobilising support.

The likes of the BBC, NY Times and Washington Post are just reporting the actual news.

This is the same BBC who refuse to interview civilians in Mariupol and the Donbas.

This is the same BBC who brought on experts tellis us things "were right out of the Russian playbook" and "not going to plan". The BBC refused to share the Russian playbook or the Russian plans with us - they must have some very talented journalists with intelligence agency skills.

This is the same BBC who told us a couple of days ago that the Ukranians controlled Snake Island.

This is the same BBC who told us that Imran Khan was unpopular in Pakistan.

This is the same BBC who have now removed all of their articles from a few months and years ago that described the Azov batallion as neo-nz.

This is the same BBC who told us that Russia were looking to take all of Ukraine with 190k soldiers (big lol at this one).

The BBC has long since lost any credibility as a news source.
 
Just sharing my 2 cents on the current scenario here.
We are closest to a World War 3 since the collapse of the Soviet Union. If the status persists and China launches its invasion of Taiwan, we will be there in a couple of years. Why?
1. Finland and Sweden joining NATO, bollsters Putin's claim of protecting Russian State at all costs. (When its about survival, economic growth can take a backseat)
2. Globalization has been fading since the rise of Nationalist leaders all over the world ( Modi, Trump, Bolsenaro, Xi, Erdogan, Imran etc.).
3. The Pandemic accelerated the global supply chain order, most of the MNC which have global supply chain have started shifting to China+1 model for their supply chain where possible.
4. Depending upon the success of Russia, China based payment system replacing SWIFT, economic sanctions might have literally no impact.
5. Assuming such minimal impact, China might reasonably assess its the right time to attack and capture Taiwan and other disputed regions of South China Sea.
6. Further, would boil down to domestic politics playing out in USA, it will be 2024 election time and Trump would be a strong force as ever (I personally believe, had their been no pandemic, Trump would have won the second term easily). Deomcrats would be forced to showcase American military supremacy to salvage domestic political goals.
7. Stuck in the limbo would be Pakistan and India (more India than Pakistan), how much direct confrontation would our leaders want to get involved into depends on their risk appetite? World Economy would be in shambles, nothing saves the leaders from internal scrutiny than an external foe.

2024 : World War 3 starts! :(
 
Vladimir Putin has said Russia has no issue with Finland and Sweden, but warned Moscow would react to the expansion of military infrastructure on their territories as both countries move closer to joining NATO.

Speaking in Moscow at a summit of the Russian-led Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO), he said Russia must look closely at what he described as the US-led military alliance's plans to increase its global influence.

Ukraine news live: Man recounts being 'buried alive' by Putin's forces

Finland and Sweden have confirmed they will apply to join NATO despite warnings from Russia that it would be a "mistake" to do so.

Finland shares an 810-mile (1,300km) land border with Russia and Sweden a maritime border.

Both countries have for decades considered that joining NATO would represent an unnecessary provocation of Moscow.

However, the historic shift in policy follows Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Read more on Sky
 
Just sharing my 2 cents on the current scenario here.
We are closest to a World War 3 since the collapse of the Soviet Union. If the status persists and China launches its invasion of Taiwan, we will be there in a couple of years. Why?
1. Finland and Sweden joining NATO, bollsters Putin's claim of protecting Russian State at all costs. (When its about survival, economic growth can take a backseat)
2. Globalization has been fading since the rise of Nationalist leaders all over the world ( Modi, Trump, Bolsenaro, Xi, Erdogan, Imran etc.).
3. The Pandemic accelerated the global supply chain order, most of the MNC which have global supply chain have started shifting to China+1 model for their supply chain where possible.
4. Depending upon the success of Russia, China based payment system replacing SWIFT, economic sanctions might have literally no impact.
5. Assuming such minimal impact, China might reasonably assess its the right time to attack and capture Taiwan and other disputed regions of South China Sea.
6. Further, would boil down to domestic politics playing out in USA, it will be 2024 election time and Trump would be a strong force as ever (I personally believe, had their been no pandemic, Trump would have won the second term easily). Deomcrats would be forced to showcase American military supremacy to salvage domestic political goals.
7. Stuck in the limbo would be Pakistan and India (more India than Pakistan), how much direct confrontation would our leaders want to get involved into depends on their risk appetite? World Economy would be in shambles, nothing saves the leaders from internal scrutiny than an external foe.

2024 : World War 3 starts! :(

The only hindrance for russia and China are their war doctrines , battlefield tactics and the technological gap their weapons have compared to the west most of their weapons are most likely tin and plastic junk.

Chinese soldiers will most likely be more suicidal fanatical and motivated emotionless warriors unlike the russians who like most Europeans are scared of death and fighting as seen in ukraine most of russians best fighters are muslim ethnic groups .

I personally think russia should remove its slavic sissy soldiers and do a deal with the shia militias in Iraq Syria, hezbollah , houthis , afghan shias and afghan taliban and bring these warriors into ukraine since they won't have no problems smashing up the nazis and winning on the battlefield as long as russia backs them up with heavy weapons.
 
Great news at last for Russia.

The government is nationalising the factory that Renault vehicles just vacated, and will instead build the 1956 model Moskvich car for public sale.

It’s a cunning move. Not only does it reduce dependence on foreign manufacturers, but it will familiarise a new generation of Russian civilian drivers with the 1950’s technology used in Russian Army vehicles.

So it's a real win-win for the Russian Army, which will have a new generation of drivers familiar with the almost 70 year old technology that it uses.
 
Lots of videos on social media showing conclusively the surrender of the AFU forces in Mariupol. Several buses full of these guys have been evacuated. According to them 300 are now out and about 1800-1900 remain. The remaining soldiers will also surrender but it will be done slowly. Zelensky is preparing a speech to give this news to everyone - well people MSM will water this down like they always do.
 
The Azovstal surrender, which I suspect will be completed slowly and methodically by the Russians, will release quite a lot of soldiers to join the other forces further north. If approximately 2000 soldiers remained in the factory it would probably mean Russia had around 6-8k soldiers in the city. I’m sure they could redeploy half of them.
 
[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION]

There is no media dispute about Mariupol.

Everybody knows that Russia has used war crimes to reduce a civilian city to rubble and that the fighters in the steelworks were trapped and defeated.

Russia has won a military victory over a civilian city by breaking virtually every International Law of War, specifically the Geneva, Hague and United Nations conventions.

It’s like saying that OJ Simpson taught his wife a lesson. He may have killed her, but that makes him the criminal, not the winner.
 
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There is no media dispute about Mariupol.

Everybody knows that Russia has used war crimes to reduce a civilian city to rubble and that the fighters in the steelworks were trapped and defeated.

Russia has won a military victory over a civilian city by breaking virtually every International Law of War, specifically the Geneva, Hague and United Nations conventions.

It’s like saying that OJ Simpson taught his wife a lesson. He may have killed her, but that makes him the criminal, not the winner.

Your favourite MSM outlet hasn’t sent a single journalist to the city. They haven’t bothered to ask the people there what’s happening. My guess is that you don’t know what the people think of the Azov battalion either. Don’t you think anyone reporting on what’s happening there should start by asking those who are caught up there?

That city is in the state it is because the AFU decided to hide in residential areas. But guess what, the DPR and LNR militias are already helping to clean up the city. Mariupol will never be a Ukrainian city again and that’s exactly what the people want.
 
Your favourite MSM outlet is running with the headline Ukrainian soldiers evacuated after Ukraine decides to end combat.

That’s an interesting way of saying these guys surrendered.
 
The MsM are reporting that they were told to surrender by Zelensky. So not really sure whT u are talking about

Russia state tv is changing.... the Russian military analyst was back on it last night... the jist was.. "soon Ukraine will have 1 million soldiers all armed with NATO weapons, all prepared to die for the motherland. Forget sabre rattling NATO and threatening missiles with Finland, as amusing as it sounds. Reality comes back to bite u, and the reality is we can't engage NATO. The fact is we are isolated in the world, nearly everyone is against us. China and India aren't with us as u think either. We have to find a way out of it"
 
The MsM are reporting that they were told to surrender by Zelensky. So not really sure whT u are talking about

Russia state tv is changing.... the Russian military analyst was back on it last night... the jist was.. "soon Ukraine will have 1 million soldiers all armed with NATO weapons, all prepared to die for the motherland. Forget sabre rattling NATO and threatening missiles with Finland, as amusing as it sounds. Reality comes back to bite u, and the reality is we can't engage NATO. The fact is we are isolated in the world, nearly everyone is against us. China and India aren't with us as u think either. We have to find a way out of it"

Where are these 1 million soldiers with weapons going to come from? How are they going to reach the frontline in Donbas?
 
NATO begins military exercises near Russian Border

One of the biggest-ever Nato exercises in the Baltics is now under way.

Named "Hedgehog", the drills involve 10 countries, including Finland and Sweden, which are expected to formally apply to join the alliance within days.

The exercises in Estonia, which will last until 3 June, were arranged before Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Vladimir Putin has said Russia has no issue with Finland or Sweden, but a military expansion near its border would demand a reaction.

Sweden on Monday confirmed its intention to apply for Nato membership, joining Finland, which declared its position last week.

Nato has said the aim of the exercises is to "enhance the readiness and interoperability" of its forces.

Some 15,000 troops are involved in the exercise in Estonia, making it one of the largest military drills held in the country since 1991.

The exercise is taking place 64km (40 miles) from Russia's nearest military base. It is intended to simulate an attack from Russia on Estonia.

Russia sees Nato as a security threat and has warned of "consequences" for the prospective new members.

Sweden stayed neutral in World War Two and for more than two centuries has avoided joining military alliances.

Finland, meanwhile, shares a 1,300-km (810-mile) border with Russia. Until now, it has stayed out of Nato to avoid antagonising its eastern neighbour.

The exercises were planned before Russia's invasion of Ukraine on 24 February. But amid the growing security threat from Russia, they are being closely watched.

Finland and Sweden confirmed they will apply for Nato membership, on Thursday and Sunday respectively. They are expected to hand in their formal bids to join the alliance on Wednesday.

Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg suggested that there could be a fast-track process to the two countries' application, with interim security arrangements put in place to deal with any possible Russian retaliation.

Despite its rather cosy codename, Nato Exercise Hedgehog ("Siil" in Estonian) is taking place at a time of heightened tensions in the Baltics, says BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has convinced governments in the region that they need to seriously beef up their defences if they are to deter President Putin from further military aggression, our correspondent adds.

Estonian Foreign Minister Eva-Maria Liimets said: "We see that once our close neighbours and friends would join Nato, then of course, the overall security environment in our region would increase and especially around the Baltic Sea."

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has said Russia was watching the expansion closely, adding that he was convinced it would not strengthen the security of Europe.

"This is a serious issue, an issue that raises our concern, and we will follow very carefully," he said.

Across Europe, other Nato exercises are being held in Poland, North Macedonia and Lithuania.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61464104
 
Ukraine has 40 odd million population. A young one at that. You seem to be completely oblvious to the fact Russia doesn't control the roads or rail system. All lines from the west into the Donbas are Ukrainian.

Interestingly it seems Ukraines new missile intercept was used last night in lyiv. Took out all 6 Russia attempts. That's going to be a huge thing now.

It's hilarious how a Russian military analyst, who served very high up in the Russian armed forces is pretty much seeing it how the so called 'MSM' are but still deludedly you think Russia ìs on the brink of total victory
 
Ukraine has 40 odd million population. A young one at that. You seem to be completely oblvious to the fact Russia doesn't control the roads or rail system. All lines from the west into the Donbas are Ukrainian.

Interestingly it seems Ukraines new missile intercept was used last night in lyiv. Took out all 6 Russia attempts. That's going to be a huge thing now.

It's hilarious how a Russian military analyst, who served very high up in the Russian armed forces is pretty much seeing it how the so called 'MSM' are but still deludedly you think Russia ìs on the brink of total victory

I think what you're suggesting is that Ukraine is about to mobilise 1 million people. If that's true then that is truly amazing because they would have managed to mobilise at least 10 times more forces than they did in the first 4 waves of mobilisation. You do know that Ukraine has gone through 4 waves of mobilisation right?

Let's assume that Ukraine does manage to mobilise 1 million, would they have enough artillery to supply them? I mean surely you're not expecting 1 million territorial militia units with rifles and hand guns to make a difference right?

Let's assume these 1 million soldiers managed to get training with heavy weapons and get them supplied from perhaps NATO and other western countries. How are these heavy weapons going to reach the frontline in Donbas? I will refer to the very pro-Ukrainian source LiveUAmap below:

https://liveuamap.com

These forces would need to make their way to the Donbas. One assumes it would be by road or rail. But the rail system has been heavily hit by the Russian using precision missiles. So the capacity to move 1 million units is questionable. Let's assume that Ukraine still have a running rail system, how long before several precision missiles take it out? The Russians are not running out of these missiles, about 20-25 were launched in the Lviv region last night alone. They could also move these units by road, but have you heard the situation in regards to lack of fuel supplies all over Ukraine? They need fuel for the existing tanks and armored vehicles more than for get more units to the region.

Just for arguments sake let's assume there are no logistic or transportation issues. The region between one edge of the cauldron and the other, Barkonkove and Avdiivka is 100-110km. It is perhaps the most watched territory in the world. Such large numbers moving into the region would just be bombarded with artillery, ballistic missiles and definitely air cavalry. So they could only bring in units in small numbers at a time. For example 20 units through here, 20 from there and so on.

Put simply 1 million forces are not joining this war. You use the world deluded quite a lot. Here I have demonstrated how you're in no position to call anyone else deluded.
 
i'll listen to a Russian defence analyst who has served in the Russian army as a colonel over you mate. He doesn't seem to think arming 1 million Ukranians will be a big issue with the lease to lend scheme and European weaponary.
 
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