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Russia invades Ukraine

UK armed forces chiefs are clueless, seem like old posh fools living in some sort of colonial past.

The Admiral says Russia has lost while the Army chief says UK needs to send in troops to fight the Russians. Which is it?

If Nato troops formally enter Ukraine, it will be an act of all out war with Russia, which could result in Russia targeting other Nato countries or bombing their bases. The army chief will not be sending his sons or daughters but safe in the UK.

The two Yanks caught, one wasnt even trained as a soldier but is a chemical weapons expert. I wonder what he was doing in Ukraine? Also news of an Ex SAS British sniper who was bombed by Ukranian troops in friendly fire. This is a rag tag of an armed force which is clueless, no wonder its being obliterated in the East.

UK armed force chiefs are nothing but pensioners. They take orders from Uncle Sam. There is no military sovereignty in the UK, no thanks to NATO membership.

What a debacle NATO is; and what is worse is NATO European members do not realise they are being taken for a ride by Amreeka! UK, Germany, France etc are pawns in the proxy war between USA and Russia.

The last time UK flexed its muscles was in the Falkland's war! :)))
 
Russia Overtakes Saudi Arabia As India’s Second-Largest Oil Supplier

Russia overtook Saudi Arabia to become India’s second-largest supplier of crude oil last month, Reuters reported.

Indian buyers now account for 18 percent of Russian crude oil exports. What is more interesting, however, is that some of the fuel Indian refiners produce using Russian crude is then exported, with some of it eventually ending up in the United States :)))


https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-O...ia-As-Indias-Second-Largest-Oil-Supplier.html
 
Are there any people left here who think Russia are losing or has reality finally hit home.
 
Interesting move by Lithuania to block the land route from Russia to Kaliningrad . Somesort of retaliation will be coming their way.

ive been to Lithuania its poor , pretty backward. I was in the capital, saw one other black/brown person in 3 days. It should not mess with the bear.

Btw it seems the Jewish puppet PM of Ukraine has upset a lot of his folk, they may want him gone soon.
 
The US State Department confirmed the death of a second American.

52-year-old Stephen Zabelski. He died on May 15 when he stepped on a mine near Severodonetsk. According to Tristan Nettles, a Marine veteran who was with Zabelski on the night of his death, the deceased belonged to a unit of Western volunteers attached to the Ukrainian army called the Wolverines.
 
Are there any people left here who think Russia are losing or has reality finally hit home.

I don’t think anyone ever thought that.

When Donbas is conquered, the Ukrainian patriots will keep resisting, killing Russians until they eventually leave, like the Vietnamese did to the French and Americans, and the Latvian Forest Brothers did to the USSR.

It’s all such a waste of life and potential.
 
Russia Overtakes Saudi Arabia As India’s Second-Largest Oil Supplier

Russia overtook Saudi Arabia to become India’s second-largest supplier of crude oil last month, Reuters reported.

Indian buyers now account for 18 percent of Russian crude oil exports. What is more interesting, however, is that some of the fuel Indian refiners produce using Russian crude is then exported, with some of it eventually ending up in the United States :)))


https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-O...ia-As-Indias-Second-Largest-Oil-Supplier.html

Its only going to increase. India is also looking to buy more oil from Brazil. Next is Venezuela.

Hopefully we can import LNG from Russia.
 
Are there any people left here who think Russia are losing or has reality finally hit home.

the round the clock coverage has stopped and the sombre reality is setting in. Even the beeb cant avoid the obvious..yet they still spout nonsense about the russians being defeated in Kyiv..its over bar the shouting and will not merely be a procession..the Russian advance can only stop through negotiations at a time and place of their choosing..
 
I don’t think anyone ever thought that.

When Donbas is conquered, the Ukrainian patriots will keep resisting, killing Russians until they eventually leave, like the Vietnamese did to the French and Americans, and the Latvian Forest Brothers did to the USSR.

It’s all such a waste of life and potential.

A couple of posters here did. They have gone silent since early June.

I was banned from Reddit and another social media platform for saying what is actually going on. Seems like people don’t want to listen to the truth.
 
the round the clock coverage has stopped and the sombre reality is setting in. Even the beeb cant avoid the obvious..yet they still spout nonsense about the russians being defeated in Kyiv..its over bar the shouting and will not merely be a procession..the Russian advance can only stop through negotiations at a time and place of their choosing..

The news cycle moves on. The main story now is the cost of living, rocketing inflation, RMT strike and possible “summer of discontent”.

George Robertson (former UK Defence Secretary, and former General Secretary of NATO) was on LBC last night describing the Russian progress as “glacial”.

Really, the Ukrainian military and militia must be congratulated for resisting so hard for so long against what is on paper at least a vastly superior invader. I fully expected Kyiv to fall two weeks after the invasion began in February, and Zelenskyy to be put on a show trial.
 
Russia Overtakes Saudi Arabia As India’s Second-Largest Oil Supplier

Russia overtook Saudi Arabia to become India’s second-largest supplier of crude oil last month, Reuters reported.

Indian buyers now account for 18 percent of Russian crude oil exports. What is more interesting, however, is that some of the fuel Indian refiners produce using Russian crude is then exported, with some of it eventually ending up in the United States :)))


https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-O...ia-As-Indias-Second-Largest-Oil-Supplier.html

China May oil imports from Russia soar to a record, surpass top supplier Saudi

China's crude oil imports from Russia soared 55% from a year earlier to a record level in May, displacing Saudi Arabia as the top supplier.

The data, which shows that Russia took back the top ranking of suppliers to the world's biggest crude oil importer after a gap of 19 months, indicates that Moscow is able to find buyers for its oil despite western sanctions.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/com...ar-55-record-surpass-saudi-supply-2022-06-20/
 
A couple of posters here did. They have gone silent since early June.

I was banned from Reddit and another social media platform for saying what is actually going on. Seems like people don’t want to listen to the truth.

How long have they been at it at severodonetsk a small town.

If they are going to take this long destroy every town city and take months to liberate them and at the same time turn them into rubble I predict we will all be old men with a pipe and slippers when this war is over .

Atm it's summers once winter sets in and the russians haven't achieved their aims which the number 1 will be total liberation and pacification of the donbas then the war will even more costlier because the brutal winters will play havoc on the scrapyard russian army and their logistics .
 
I was hearing they made 93 billion dollars profit in one month alone from selling oil
 
Are there any people left here who think Russia are losing or has reality finally hit home.
Russia tried to take the whole of Ukraine - hence the assault from Belarus - and were defeated. They lost their best troops and their best weapons.

Russia then decided that for the sake of saving face they would just concentrate on extending their control over Donbas, which they had invaded 8 years earlier.

But even then they failed to be welcomed as liberators by the ethnically Russian inhabitants whom they expected to align themselves with Russia.

So now Russia is razing Donbas to the ground, destroying the houses, schools and workplaces of the people they pretend to be liberating.

Ultimately Russia is winning small amounts of Donbas territory by having more of the obsolete Soviet weaponry than Ukraine has. And by obliterating the towns that it is claiming to liberate.

Russia’s best troops are dead.

Over 99% of their advanced weaponry has been expended (they have maybe 2% of their cruise missiles left, and are reduced to firing anti-ship missiles at Ukrainian cities) or lost.

On a scale of 1 to 100, where 1 is total defeat and 100 is total victory, Russia is currently at around 5.
 
How long have they been at it at severodonetsk a small town.

If they are going to take this long destroy every town city and take months to liberate them and at the same time turn them into rubble I predict we will all be old men with a pipe and slippers when this war is over .

Atm it's summers once winter sets in and the russians haven't achieved their aims which the number 1 will be total liberation and pacification of the donbas then the war will even more costlier because the brutal winters will play havoc on the scrapyard russian army and their logistics .

During WW2 the Germans used 462,000 soldiers to capture Kiev. It took them over a month with that force. The Russians have deployed a force of approximately 190k-200k and are trying to defeat and army and capture territory much larger than a single city.

The problem with you and many others is you have no understanding of how wars are fought.

The Ukrainian army is over 260k soldiers with over 300k reservists and territorial defence. These forces have had a chance to fortify their positions for 8 years as per Poroshenko's recent admission.

To defeat and army and capture territory you can either throw overwhelming numbers to support your firepower or you can go slowly and methodically. The Russians are doing that right now, they're losing very few soldiers and are bombarding the Ukranians with artillery. The artillery mismatch is huge, so why would Russia move fast and risk more deaths?

You mention long winters and logistics having an impact, do you think that Ukraine is immune to these factors? Let me ask you a question, how are the Ukranian's going to supply their forces with western arms and ammunition to the frontlines when they're running out of fuel and soldiers? Remember the Ukranian leadership have admitted they are suffering between 500-1000 losses every single day. Some journalists suggest that on some days the figure is much higher.
 
Russia tried to take the whole of Ukraine - hence the assault from Belarus - and were defeated. They lost their best troops and their best weapons.
Russia were clear with the military objectives, if you actually listened to what Lavrov and especially Putin said back when they started, they said Crime and Donbas. They did not mention the whole of Ukraine or even a large part of it. Please provide a quote from Putin or any senior Russian leader who mentions conquering Ukraine in its entirety.
Russia lost its best troops and weapons? Is that why they’re still going strong and as the Ukranian leadership recently stated “continuing to hit them with an endless supply of precision missiles and artillery”. The statement Russia lost their best troops and best weapons is so far from the truth you had no idea.

Russia then decided that for the sake of saving face they would just concentrate on extending their control over Donbas, which they had invaded 8 years earlier.
Russia didn’t “then” decide on Donbas, they said Donbas was the aim from the outset, it was in Putin’s speech.

Ultimately Russia is winning small amounts of Donbas territory by having more of the obsolete Soviet weaponry than Ukraine has. And by obliterating the towns that it is claiming to liberate.
If the Ukranian army came out to fight in the fields then those towns wouldn’t need to be obliterated. But since the Ukranians are hiding in urban areas – the Russians will bury them under the rubble and then rebuild after the war. What does it go to say that Russia using their “obsolete” weapons are making gains and pummelling the AFU to dust, it’s a bit better than obsolete right?

The Russians have taken a huge amount of territory, the equivalent of 20% of the country, that’s larger than England and Wales combined. Remember they’ve done this in 3 months and with just 190k soldiers. They haven’t even declared war or mobilised. The Ukranians are about to go through their 7th wave of mobilisation.

Russia’s best troops are dead.
Interesting statement, do you realise that the bulk of the fighting being done in the Donbas isn’t even the Russian army? The two militias of Donbas, the mercenaries and the Chechens are doing more of the fighting. Are you aware that the situation is so comfortable for Russia on the frontline that they’re regularly rotating troops. I can’t say that I have seen a single report from anyone in the west about Ukranian troop rotation.

Over 99% of their advanced weaponry has been expended (they have maybe 2% of their cruise missiles left, and are reduced to firing anti-ship missiles at Ukrainian cities) or lost.
Lol. Someone was stupid enough to ask this question at SPIEF recently, I doubt you even know about it. But the question to a Russian minister was - “the west continue to report that you’re running out of weapons”. The Minister couldn’t control his laughter, he said “do the west think we went into this operation not knowing we’d need to be able to sustain it for a long time? We planned everything – we started mass production a long time ago – there will be no shortage for our soldiers”. This was said in SPIEF, look it up.
Just a few days ago the Ukranians reported that 13 kalibr missiles were launched by the Russians on a single location towards Mikolaiv. On the same day the Ukranians also reported that an oil refinery was hit by 4 missiles near Dnipro.
The Russians aren’t running out of weapons, thanks to NATO they’re actually getting a lot of gifts as they destroy the AFU.
On a scale of 1 to 100, where 1 is total defeat and 100 is total victory, Russia is currently at around 5.
Goes to show just how ignorant some people are. Call of Duty/Reddit keyboard warriors who haven’t a clue about the actual state of affairs.
From 1 to 100, I’d give the Russians a 65. If the Russians hadn’t been so soft early on and if they had more night time visual equipment they would have had a much better chance of destroying the AFU in the northern Donbas cauldron. But bravo to Russia for the Kiev feint, for a while they even had me fooled. It was only when I saw the deployed troops (40,000) that I realised it wasn’t a real move on the capital.
 
Just wanted to add one more point - the Russian journalists have said that the western MSM reporting is so flawed. Instead of focusing on the armies, they are focusing on the territory. If you lose your territory you can get it back, if you lose your army you will never get it back. So Russia are systematically moving to destroy army, taking territory is secondary.
 
I still love the fact the sheeple are duped into thinking Ukrainians are resisting Russians.

Ukrainians are not.

Russia will prolong this war by any means necessary, for the simple fact, Russia will earn more mullah!

Don't cry, Amreeka and NATO did the same in the ME - the most powerful military in the world, that could flatten Russia in days, faced resistance from cave dwellers in the ME for over 20 years!

Feel sorry for the MSM sheep.
 
Russia tried to take the whole of Ukraine - hence the assault from Belarus - and were defeated. They lost their best troops and their best weapons.

Russia then decided that for the sake of saving face they would just concentrate on extending their control over Donbas, which they had invaded 8 years earlier.

But even then they failed to be welcomed as liberators by the ethnically Russian inhabitants whom they expected to align themselves with Russia.

So now Russia is razing Donbas to the ground, destroying the houses, schools and workplaces of the people they pretend to be liberating.

Ultimately Russia is winning small amounts of Donbas territory by having more of the obsolete Soviet weaponry than Ukraine has. And by obliterating the towns that it is claiming to liberate.

Russia’s best troops are dead.

Over 99% of their advanced weaponry has been expended (they have maybe 2% of their cruise missiles left, and are reduced to firing anti-ship missiles at Ukrainian cities) or lost.

On a scale of 1 to 100, where 1 is total defeat and 100 is total victory, Russia is currently at around 5.

Unsure of that - they were using older tanks and jets, not their modern Armatas and 5th generation Sukhois.

Maybe they didn’t think the Ukrainians were able to stand up to them so thought they could get away with using older kit.
 
The aid/donation from Poland is being sold in the Ukrainian supermarkets:



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Briefing of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation of June 23, 2022.

- In the area of ​​Nikolaev 49 tanks with fuel for military equipment of AFU and 50 fighting vehicles were destroyed;

- Three repair factories of Ukrop armoured vehicles were struck;

- Air strikes were inflicted on 97 military objects;

- Rocket troops and artillery hit 458 targets;

- A platoon of 155-mm NATO M-777 hardware was hit on the island of Kuban;

- As part of counter-battery fire, eight Ukrainian platoons of the Hurricane MLRS and 11 platoons of Ukrop artillery were hit;

- 21 Ukrainian UAVs shot down;

- Tochka-U ballistic missile and 22 MLRS rockets were intercepted.
 
Pro-west and Russophobic government of Bulgaria has just been ousted in a no-confidence vote. Bulgaria used to get 80% of its Gas from Russia but its Nato puppet Govt refused to pay in roubles and the supply was thus cut off leading to hardship to both industries and residents.
 
Here is an NC article written by the British organisation RUSI. It confirms what many sensible posters here knew all along. The Russians are heavily outnumbered by more than 3 to 1 and are running circles around Ukraine and NATO.

The Russians planned very well and got their military industrial complex operational so as to supply their forces with an almost endless bucket of ammunition.

The west has chosen quality, the Russians have chosen quantity and quantity is easily winning out here.

https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare/
 
I take back my earlier grade of 5/100 for Russia’s military success.

I didn’t account for:

1. NATO effectively doubling its members’ spending on defence.

2. Moldova and Ukraine being accepted into the EU.

So my marks for Russia are:

1. Military: 1/100 in view of having used up almost all their cruise missiles and having lost the means to make more, plus they have driven NATO into an arms race which Russia lacks the money to win.

2. Political: 0/100 for having driven their neighbours into the EU, and for having turned almost all ethnic Russians in Ukraine into enemies of Russia.

3. Economic: 0/100 for having provoked massive economic sanctions for the sake of annexing slightly more of Donbas than they already had.

So I’m grading the buffoon Putin as having scored 1/300 so far, a mark of 0.33% for an Outright Fail grade.

There are children in special schools who have better judgment and planning skills than Vladimir Putin. He makes Umar Akmal look like Albert Einstein.
 
Pro-west and Russophobic government of Bulgaria has just been ousted in a no-confidence vote. Bulgaria used to get 80% of its Gas from Russia but its Nato puppet Govt refused to pay in roubles and the supply was thus cut off leading to hardship to both industries and residents.

Are you an actual paid St Petersburg troll?
 
I take back my earlier grade of 5/100 for Russia’s military success.

I didn’t account for:

1. NATO effectively doubling its members’ spending on defence.

2. Moldova and Ukraine being accepted into the EU.

So my marks for Russia are:

1. Military: 1/100 in view of having used up almost all their cruise missiles and having lost the means to make more, plus they have driven NATO into an arms race which Russia lacks the money to win.

2. Political: 0/100 for having driven their neighbours into the EU, and for having turned almost all ethnic Russians in Ukraine into enemies of Russia.

3. Economic: 0/100 for having provoked massive economic sanctions for the sake of annexing slightly more of Donbas than they already had.

So I’m grading the buffoon Putin as having scored 1/300 so far, a mark of 0.33% for an Outright Fail grade.

There are children in special schools who have better judgment and planning skills than Vladimir Putin. He makes Umar Akmal look like Albert Einstein.

Well, he had his successes - influencing Brexit and the election of Trump, land grabbing South Ossetia and Crimea by covert ops, for instances.

But he has overreached himself, reuniting and strengthening some of his opponents.

I would be a bit more measured than you [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] and say that Putin has succeeded in reshaping the geopolitical world, into

1. a liberal democratic bloc of Europe, Australasia and North America, whose citizens have a high level of freedom, and

2. a repressive Eastern bloc of China, Russia, Iran, and Syria.
 
I take back my earlier grade of 5/100 for Russia’s military success.

I didn’t account for:

1. NATO effectively doubling its members’ spending on defence.

2. Moldova and Ukraine being accepted into the EU.

So my marks for Russia are:

1. Military: 1/100 in view of having used up almost all their cruise missiles and having lost the means to make more, plus they have driven NATO into an arms race which Russia lacks the money to win.

2. Political: 0/100 for having driven their neighbours into the EU, and for having turned almost all ethnic Russians in Ukraine into enemies of Russia.

3. Economic: 0/100 for having provoked massive economic sanctions for the sake of annexing slightly more of Donbas than they already had.

So I’m grading the buffoon Putin as having scored 1/300 so far, a mark of 0.33% for an Outright Fail grade.

There are children in special schools who have better judgment and planning skills than Vladimir Putin. He makes Umar Akmal look like Albert Einstein.

1. Military - he's winning the war despite going in with 200k troops against over 600k. Even the western MSM you follow are starting to acknowledge this. The Guardian and The Times ran with articles of the sort. If you read the article by RUSI (British research institution) you'll see how the Russians are in total command and NATO would lose to them right now as well because the Russians have a military industry complex that is functioning. NATO would be the ones to run out of weapons long before Russia. NATO chose precision over quantity - not my words, words from the British Institution, therefore NATO would lose.

Please provide evidence that Russia are running out of missiles. Something like the link by RUSI would be good.

2. The EU is failing. Russia politically are running the show right now with China, look at where the new partnerships are being created. We're talking about countries with actual influence. The EU is so reliant on Russia that Russia could cripple the entire continent if it wanted to, shut off the gas and see how long EU act all high and mighty.

3. The Russians didn't provoke the sanctions, the west decided to implement them in the hope they would cripple Russia and end the war. What the west didn't realise was that sanctioning Russia was going to hit themselves harder than Russia. Russia is suffering, but the EU is suffering way more. Just yesterday the Germans announced an emergency gas plan lol. Russia won't be need to run any of these plans.

You call Putin a buffoon, I think you're the buffoon because you haven't got any understand of the military, economic or political situation. The only war that the west, ukraine and people like you are winning, is the propaganda war. In other words the aspects that count, Russia are winning and winning decisively.
 
Russians are in total command and NATO would lose to them right now

Where are you talking about - an invasion of Latvia or Lithuania? NATO would hold it forever and a day. Russia have air superiority in Ukraine and yet are only advancing very slowly. They would lose air superiority over the Baltics fast.

They have been exposed as not very good - in training, leadership, C3 and logistics. Marshall Zhukov must be turning in his grave.

Remember too that Russia’s GDP is half that of Britain’s and a tenth that of the EU or USA. They cannot afford to replace conventional forces like the West can.
 
Ukrainian forces will “have to be withdrawn” from the mostly Russian-occupied battleground city of Severodonetsk, the governor of Luhansk says, a day after he announced that troops had left areas around Lysychansk.

The United States is sending $450m more in military aid to Ukraine, including another four High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS).

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says the EU’s decision to grant Ukraine candidacy status is one of the most important developments since it gained independence.

Germany is heading for a gas shortage if Russian supplies remain as low as they are now, the economy minister has warned.
 
But he has overreached himself, reuniting and strengthening some of his opponents.

I don't see any strengthening in Europe lol. Europe is scrambling around like headless chicken trying to solve a problem of their own creation - sanctions against key Russian products.

The EU might grow - Ukraine and other states may join, but will EU citizens be happy forking the bill to repair Ukraine when the economic situation around the continent is already terrible.

Even if the EU grows - they'll still need Russian gas, oil, wheat, metals and so much more.
 
Where are you talking about - an invasion of Latvia or Lithuania? NATO would hold it forever and a day. Russia have air superiority in Ukraine and yet are only advancing very slowly. They would lose air superiority over the Baltics fast.

They have been exposed as not very good - in training, leadership, C3 and logistics. Marshall Zhukov must be turning in his grave.

Remember too that Russia’s GDP is half that of Britain’s and a tenth that of the EU or USA. They cannot afford to replace conventional forces like the West can.

Did you read the article above by RUSI I shared above? If not I'll plaste it again and summarise what the situation is. Russia are decimating Ukraine's best forces, this despite being outnumbered by more than 3 to 1. The figures are in the link but approximately 200k Russian troops up against more 700k, we can assume it's more because the Ukranians are about to enter their 7th wave of mobilisation.

Russia is winning because they are able to produce ammunition and keep the military industry going. Wars of this kind requires an endless supply line of ammunition, if Russia didn't have production ramped up there's no way they could have kept on going for this long.

NATO on the other hand doesn't have production in place - this is what RUSI are saying, not me. So NATO could only sustain a war for a few weeks at best.

So when ignorant people start screaming out NATO would destroy Russia, Russia are incompetent, I ask what on earth are you smoking? Russia are showing exactly why NATO are fighting a proxy war and avoiding a real war at all costs. Remember NATO had an opportunity in late Feb/early March to go to war when their was public support and an outcry for a no-fly zone. Makes sense why they didn't. The Military complexes in these countries knew they'd have to start production of ammunition on a huge scale.

https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare
 
Did you read the article above by RUSI I shared above? If not I'll plaste it again and summarise what the situation is. Russia are decimating Ukraine's best forces, this despite being outnumbered by more than 3 to 1. The figures are in the link but approximately 200k Russian troops up against more 700k, we can assume it's more because the Ukranians are about to enter their 7th wave of mobilisation.

Russia is winning because they are able to produce ammunition and keep the military industry going. Wars of this kind requires an endless supply line of ammunition, if Russia didn't have production ramped up there's no way they could have kept on going for this long.

NATO on the other hand doesn't have production in place - this is what RUSI are saying, not me. So NATO could only sustain a war for a few weeks at best.

So when ignorant people start screaming out NATO would destroy Russia, Russia are incompetent, I ask what on earth are you smoking? Russia are showing exactly why NATO are fighting a proxy war and avoiding a real war at all costs. Remember NATO had an opportunity in late Feb/early March to go to war when their was public support and an outcry for a no-fly zone. Makes sense why they didn't. The Military complexes in these countries knew they'd have to start production of ammunition on a huge scale.

https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare

Well, I don't know who these ignorant people are. I'm talking about a hypothetical invasion of one or two Baltic states, which is the most likely theatre for a Russo-Europe conflict, and would be repelled by NATO in short order. A few weeks is all it would take.

Look at the Russian difficulties in their invasion of Ukraine, compared to Operation Desert Storm and then the Iraq War. Saddam had a big army, which the Western forces rolled over like the tide.

NATO didn't put a no-fly zone over Ukraine because the member states didn't want to risk the end of human civilisation to defend a non-member state.

I know about technology vs. numbers. See the Nazi Germany / USSR front. That was a long war. Nazi Germany was beaten down by being overproduced. Russia can't overproduce any single world power, let alone a closely-allied gang of them. Anything involving an incursion to a NATO state won't be a long war. Which is why Putin won't try it.
 
I don't see any strengthening in Europe lol.


Maybe you need to look harder then?

Sweden and Finland have applied to join NATO
Germany has tripled her defence spend
UK has two fleet carriers and F-35 is coming on line, and is hardening cyber-resilience / offensive capability
 
Are you an actual paid St Petersburg troll?

Nope but looks like NATO paid trolls like you are getting triggered over the facts on the ground. You guys should have put in a NATO puppet who at least had some brains, you do not cut off the gas supplier who supplies 80% of your gas based on your masters directions and then remain in power.
 
Nope but looks like NATO paid trolls like you are getting triggered over the facts on the ground. You guys should have put in a NATO puppet who at least had some brains, you do not cut off the gas supplier who supplies 80% of your gas based on your masters directions and then remain in power.

It's just that you are using certain stock word and phrases. Your posts don't read as though these are your ideas. "Russophobia" for example - that's straight from the Kremlin.

You don't seem very well informed about NATO.

There is no such thing as a "NATO puppet". NATO is a defensive alliance between democracies, not a political entity like the EU. You might call someone a "Washington puppet" or a "Westminster puppet" but "NATO puppet" is meaningless.

NATO doesn't have a budget apart from an office in Brussels, which I am not an employee of. Member states contribute to this office, and I'm not a member of HM Armed Forces either. I'm just a ordinary British bloke who is grateful that NATO has kept me safe and free from totalitarianism. I pay for them do do this by income tax. So you see that NATO serves me, not the other way round.
 
Turkey will ensure no new NATO members join.

If NATO pull another fraud as they did with article 5 after 9/11, breaking their own rules, based on nothing but lies, then it is a different matter, and will prove what most of us know all along, NATO is a racist organisation.
 
German industry and consumers are gonna take a big hit in the oncoming months there's talk of gas rationing because russia is reducing supplies .

There's gonna be hard times across Europe in winter even uk when natural gas prices go through the roof and inflation keeps increasing I wouldn't be surprised if these globalists kick up something and imprison and enforce lockdowns and try to keep people under house arrest when winter comes they don't want people rioting on the streets .

I think the west are banking on a russian defeat in ukraine to save their own skins if russia is not defeated expect the death knell of the west and globalists .
 
No one can take you seriously after this statement. It may be stated on paper as such, but the actions since it was formed don't match.

Spot on. West and NATO have waged more wars (many illegal and false flags) in the past 70 years compared to any period of humanity.

NATO/5 EYEs/WEST is a racist warmongering endeavour, designed to push the white ideology.
 
No one can take you seriously after this statement. It may be stated on paper as such, but the actions since it was formed don't match.

You see, I do take you seriously, because I have respect for people. I just think you misunderstand what NATO is.

NATO has declared Article Five just once in its 73 years.

Otherwise, a NATO operation has never fired a shot in anger without authorisation in the form of a Resolution from the UN General Assembly.
 
Some daft posts on here from certain Nato *******.

Nato claims to be defensive but a little look recent history which clearly shown Nato has been at the forefront of organising invasions , bombings and destroying nations. Some posters claiming Iraq was defeated quickly clearly dont care for the million civilians murdered. I guess they share thoughts of Madeliene Albright, hope she rests in hell, the 500,000 kids died in Iraq was worth it!.

Nato is a terrorist org, you can guess the minds of their supporters.
 
Some daft posts on here from certain Nato *******.

Nato claims to be defensive but a little look recent history which clearly shown Nato has been at the forefront of organising invasions , bombings and destroying nations. Some posters claiming Iraq was defeated quickly clearly dont care for the million civilians murdered. I guess they share thoughts of Madeliene Albright, hope she rests in hell, the 500,000 kids died in Iraq was worth it!.

Nato is a terrorist org, you can guess the minds of their supporters.

100%

NATO is a terrorist organisation. The illegal Article 5 declaration on Afghanistan (at best an excuse to pretext of war), the illegal war on Iraq, the blind eye on Bosnia.

NATO is not just a terrorist organisation but a racist, fascist, and Nazi organisation. Facts proof this. A front for liberals.
 
The invasion of Iraq was not a NATO operation.

It was a unilateral decision by Bush 43. UK, Australia, Poland and some Kurdish factions joined in.
 
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NATO is a terrorist organisation. The illegal Article 5 declaration on Afghanistan (at best an excuse to pretext of war), the illegal war on Iraq, the blind eye on Bosnia.

NATO is not just a terrorist organisation but a racist, fascist, and Nazi organisation. Facts proof this. A front for liberals.

Its a front for claiming its a saviour of the west when in reality it has been instrumental in planning and supporting all the immoral wars in recent decades.

In Afghanistan over 40 nations were with Nato in invading one of the poorest nations on Earth only to be defeated , sent packing with their tails between the legs.

Now Nato is using Ukraine as a proxy land to hurt/harm Russia. The idiots are only harming their own members now as defeat in Ukraine is certain and the economic power balance of the world has shifted.

You now have Germany saying factories and industries will have to shut down due to lack of Russian gas. They are also saying the Germans will have to accept this harm as Ukraine is important. The lack of intelligence of the citizens of the west is showing, how they are willing to suffer for a Nato proxy war which will end up in another embarrasing loss.

All Nato supporters should join the proxy war in person, as their propaganda isnt working well now.
 
‘Goat of Kyiv’ leaves 40 Russians injured after setting off grenade booby trap

At least 40 Russian soldiers were injured in Ukraine after a rambunctious goat set off a booby-trap of grenades attached to a tripwire.

The goat’s ‘chaotic’ movements set off the tripwire while troops were placing traps around a hospital in Zaporizhzhia in south-eastern Ukraine.

The goat had escaped from a farm in the village of Kinski Rozdory before triggering the bomb.

Ukrainian defence intelligence chiefs said grenades had been pinned around the perimeter of a local hospital but the goat wandered towards them, triggering a trip-wire that set off the grenades, injuring dozens of troops.

“As a result of the goat’s ‘chaotic’ movements, the animal ‘disposed of’ several grenades,” the Defense Intelligence wrote.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/goat-of-...injured-after-setting-off-grenade-booby-trap/

GOAT of Kyiv. :)))
 
Well, I don't know who these ignorant people are. I'm talking about a hypothetical invasion of one or two Baltic states, which is the most likely theatre for a Russo-Europe conflict, and would be repelled by NATO in short order. A few weeks is all it would take.

Look at the Russian difficulties in their invasion of Ukraine, compared to Operation Desert Storm and then the Iraq War. Saddam had a big army, which the Western forces rolled over like the tide.

NATO didn't put a no-fly zone over Ukraine because the member states didn't want to risk the end of human civilisation to defend a non-member state.

I know about technology vs. numbers. See the Nazi Germany / USSR front. That was a long war. Nazi Germany was beaten down by being overproduced. Russia can't overproduce any single world power, let alone a closely-allied gang of them. Anything involving an incursion to a NATO state won't be a long war. Which is why Putin won't try it.

Mate please stop..this is now getting a bit ridiculous honestly. You cannot compare the two campaigns at all. You can also not compare the two armies or the terrain etc.

Also the military doctrines are completely different..in the 1990's the US used Air land Sea doctrine which morphed into full spectrum dominance in the 2000's. The Russian use something called deep battle..it relies heavily on artillery and encirclement.

Also desert storm was the first time any army used network centric warfare. It was incomplete but good enough for the Iraqis.

It took 48 days of relentless indiscriminate bombing to break the morale of the iraqi army who were mostly conscripts and badly trained. Their weapons were also outdated.

The Ukraine army is better trained and the terrain is different. They also know russias tactics and use the same weapons.

They are also wise to Nato training and have received such.

It is also 2022 and not 1990 where even small armed forces use network centric warfare of some sort and Ukraine is getting nato support.

You drank the CNN cool aid when it comes to Iraq..please use your brain and understand what is happening on the ground. This is a systematic evisceration of a modern army by one that is half its size (in theatre) using 21st century weapons and tactics. The Ukrainians are literally weeks away from perhaps full elimination. If they are losing 1000 per day just do the math. At some point they will have to put their hands up.

The miniscule amounts of rocket systems given to them are a disgrace. Nato is a disgrace to the Ukrainian people. They are simply incapable of training modern forces e.g Afghanistan and now Ukraine.. also the Iraqis.. its getting beyond a joke..

If you compare it to how the British army trained its allied forces and colonials its a joke..the British created real fighting forces that to this day continue to hold up in battle..the Americans are fraudsters and hucksters..your being sold a lie..

I'll put my neck on the line here..if Russia and China go to war in Europe it will be over within a month before nukes get used..the Chinese are so far ahead of most of Europe its getting scary...
 
Mate please stop..this is now getting a bit ridiculous honestly. You cannot compare the two campaigns at all. You can also not compare the two armies or the terrain etc.

Also the military doctrines are completely different..in the 1990's the US used Air land Sea doctrine which morphed into full spectrum dominance in the 2000's. The Russian use something called deep battle..it relies heavily on artillery and encirclement.

Also desert storm was the first time any army used network centric warfare. It was incomplete but good enough for the Iraqis.

It took 48 days of relentless indiscriminate bombing to break the morale of the iraqi army who were mostly conscripts and badly trained. Their weapons were also outdated.

The Ukraine army is better trained and the terrain is different. They also know russias tactics and use the same weapons.

They are also wise to Nato training and have received such.

It is also 2022 and not 1990 where even small armed forces use network centric warfare of some sort and Ukraine is getting nato support.

You drank the CNN cool aid when it comes to Iraq..please use your brain and understand what is happening on the ground. This is a systematic evisceration of a modern army by one that is half its size (in theatre) using 21st century weapons and tactics. The Ukrainians are literally weeks away from perhaps full elimination. If they are losing 1000 per day just do the math. At some point they will have to put their hands up.

The miniscule amounts of rocket systems given to them are a disgrace. Nato is a disgrace to the Ukrainian people. They are simply incapable of training modern forces e.g Afghanistan and now Ukraine.. also the Iraqis.. its getting beyond a joke..

If you compare it to how the British army trained its allied forces and colonials its a joke..the British created real fighting forces that to this day continue to hold up in battle..the Americans are fraudsters and hucksters..your being sold a lie..

I'll put my neck on the line here..if Russia and China go to war in Europe it will be over within a month before nukes get used..the Chinese are so far ahead of most of Europe its getting scary...

I feel a bit sad to real all the patronising assumptions made about me on this thread. The arrogance is clear. Everyone who disagrees must be brainwashed. The ability to be able to filter MSM info through filters of decades of critical thinking practice - and reading, reading, reading - clearly don’t exist to you.

“Deep battle”? Hans Guderian was using that in 1941. Georgy Zhukov copied him at the Battle of Berlin in 1945.

Ukraine’s forces are not “modern” - actually no more advanced than Saddam’s were in 1990, with old tanks and MiGs, and certainly less advanced than the best Russian kit.

China aren’t interested in war, they are conquering the South Pacific, South American and African states by economic means, buying up debt, utilities, transport, mines and so on. They might try to reabsorb Taiwan but Europe doesn’t interest them. Not in my lifetime.

I’m now not remotely scared of the Russian military, nukes apart. A year ago I was, but not now. Their difficulties in Ukraine have undermined their credibility. A rearming and rejuvenated NATO will push them back if they invade.

But when Putin dies this will be academic. It’s all about him.
 
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Its a front for claiming its a saviour of the west when in reality it has been instrumental in planning and supporting all the immoral wars in recent decades.

In Afghanistan over 40 nations were with Nato in invading one of the poorest nations on Earth only to be defeated , sent packing with their tails between the legs.

Now Nato is using Ukraine as a proxy land to hurt/harm Russia. The idiots are only harming their own members now as defeat in Ukraine is certain and the economic power balance of the world has shifted.

You now have Germany saying factories and industries will have to shut down due to lack of Russian gas. They are also saying the Germans will have to accept this harm as Ukraine is important. The lack of intelligence of the citizens of the west is showing, how they are willing to suffer for a Nato proxy war which will end up in another embarrasing loss.

All Nato supporters should join the proxy war in person, as their propaganda isnt working well now.

Yup, NATO is a front, along with excuses such as Democracy and Freedom.

The West is in full flow decline now.
 
Russia Overtakes Saudi Arabia As India’s Second-Largest Oil Supplier

Russia overtook Saudi Arabia to become India’s second-largest supplier of crude oil last month, Reuters reported.

Indian buyers now account for 18 percent of Russian crude oil exports. What is more interesting, however, is that some of the fuel Indian refiners produce using Russian crude is then exported, with some of it eventually ending up in the United States :)))


https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-O...ia-As-Indias-Second-Largest-Oil-Supplier.html

China May oil imports from Russia soar to a record, surpass top supplier Saudi

China's crude oil imports from Russia soared 55% from a year earlier to a record level in May, displacing Saudi Arabia as the top supplier.

The data, which shows that Russia took back the top ranking of suppliers to the world's biggest crude oil importer after a gap of 19 months, indicates that Moscow is able to find buyers for its oil despite western sanctions.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/com...ar-55-record-surpass-saudi-supply-2022-06-20/


India's Russian coal purchases spike despite sanctions

India's purchases of coal and related products from Russia jumped more than six-fold.

Russia, facing severe Western sanctions over its invasion of Ukraine, warned the European Union in April against sweeping sanctions on coal, saying they would backfire as the fuel would be redirected to other markets.

The Russian traders have been liberal with payment routes and are accepting payments in Indian rupee and United Arab Emirates dirham.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/com...kes-traders-offer-steep-discounts-2022-06-18/
 
I thought the focus was on the oligarchs - freezing their assets in the hope of forcing a palace coup. The gas and oil embargo isn’t working.

I think you miss the entire point. It's not a case of the sanctions not working. The sanctions are back firing. Did Germany ever think that they would need to implement a Emergency Gas Policy when they decided to join in on the sanctions? Did Italy, Bulgaria, the UK, France and Spain think they would be under political siege long before Putin would be when they decided to join the sanction scheme?
 
I think you miss the entire point. It's not a case of the sanctions not working. The sanctions are back firing. Did Germany ever think that they would need to implement a Emergency Gas Policy when they decided to join in on the sanctions? Did Italy, Bulgaria, the UK, France and Spain think they would be under political siege long before Putin would be when they decided to join the sanction scheme?

Probably not, as they are reasonable people living in democracies, and such people assume that others are basically reasonable too. So they overestimated Putin’s humanity, thinking sanctions would influence him to leave Ukraine alone. But Putin is a psychopath with no regard for the suffering Russian people.

When monsters such as Putin emerge, reasonable democrats cannot cope because they are unable to think like monsters. They need to deploy a monster of their own, such as Churchill in 1940.
 
What truly disturbs me about this thread is how little most people on it appear to value freedom, and how y’all purport to admire despots.

How you shout your complaints from the sidelines of freedomland, while hating the NATO forces who guard those sidelines and keep you free.

Yet you all remain here in freedomland anyway, instead of going to live in despotland.

I think that deep down, you all know where you are better off.
 
Freedom and Democracy are now overrated concepts; the West is not the only part of the world where freedom and democracy exist, but lets face it, Freedom and Democracy are in name only.

However, the West should not be preaching Freedom/Democracy. West/NATO are very quick to deny freedom when waging wars around the world, and the West/NATO are very quick to overturn democracy with regime change and the inability to accept a democratic result, even in their home country.

Russia warned NATO members for years on Ukraine, and instead of dialogue exchange and trying to find an amicable solution, NATO members installed a puppet leader in Ukraine, and goaded Russia, ignoring any chance of peace. This is the NATO defense we are told about? Total crock. Not to mention Bosnians, where was NATO then to defend innocent Muslims in Europe? Again, total crock. Afghanistan never attacked USA, yet still NATO waged war for over 20 years in Afghanistan. You guess it, total crock.

Just because NATO warmongers call Putin a despot, doesn't mean he is, and even if he were, you reap what you sow, there is nothing wrong in pointing out the hypocrisy of the West, NATO, and Liberalism - you lot have not learned a single thing from your past, that is, waging illegal wars, supporting wars, funding wars, engaging in wars, has no advantageous outcome other than resentment and retribution.

When one supports NATO, one supports the mass murder of innocent people around the world, when one boasts about the West, one supports the war machine that is Amreeka, when one talks about democracy, one only cares if the result goes their way - you are immoral, and I value morality above these ***** freedom/democracy pillars of the West.

Of course, when the UK voted to leave the EU, the same people who cry freedom and democracy are more than happy to be enslaved by Europe, even if it means overturning a democratic result. Hypocrisy at its best.
 
I think that deep down, you all know where you are better off.

The problem isn't with the quality of life the problem is with the deplorable foreign policy. It is possible to be a happy British citizen and hate the actions of our government in regards to other countries.
 
Remaining Ukrainian troops ran away from Severodonetsk after getting bloodied and destroyed, now the western media is hailing it as "strategic retreat" LOL.
 
Reporters from the France24 are shocked when they found out that the locals in Lyschansk are waiting for the arrival of Russian forces and are hostile/not welcoming to the reporters and their Ukrainian soldiers accompanying them.

Video from France24 which is a French Govt news agency:


[utube]CcQJJIvakwo[/utube]
 
Freedom and Democracy are now overrated concepts; the West is not the only part of the world where freedom and democracy exist, but lets face it, Freedom and Democracy are in name only.

However, the West should not be preaching Freedom/Democracy. West/NATO are very quick to deny freedom when waging wars around the world, and the West/NATO are very quick to overturn democracy with regime change and the inability to accept a democratic result, even in their home country.

Russia warned NATO members for years on Ukraine, and instead of dialogue exchange and trying to find an amicable solution, NATO members installed a puppet leader in Ukraine, and goaded Russia, ignoring any chance of peace. This is the NATO defense we are told about? Total crock. Not to mention Bosnians, where was NATO then to defend innocent Muslims in Europe? Again, total crock. Afghanistan never attacked USA, yet still NATO waged war for over 20 years in Afghanistan. You guess it, total crock.

Just because NATO warmongers call Putin a despot, doesn't mean he is, and even if he were, you reap what you sow, there is nothing wrong in pointing out the hypocrisy of the West, NATO, and Liberalism - you lot have not learned a single thing from your past, that is, waging illegal wars, supporting wars, funding wars, engaging in wars, has no advantageous outcome other than resentment and retribution.

When one supports NATO, one supports the mass murder of innocent people around the world, when one boasts about the West, one supports the war machine that is Amreeka, when one talks about democracy, one only cares if the result goes their way - you are immoral, and I value morality above these ***** freedom/democracy pillars of the West.

Of course, when the UK voted to leave the EU, the same people who cry freedom and democracy are more than happy to be enslaved by Europe, even if it means overturning a democratic result. Hypocrisy at its best.

The problem isn't with the quality of life the problem is with the deplorable foreign policy. It is possible to be a happy British citizen and hate the actions of our government in regards to other countries.

When there is no moral argument left , it always come down to you are free to go live there if you accept their view! This is a watered down version of nationalists who think because they are of a certain colour they have more right and are more loyal than others.

On the contrary true freedom is the ability to think critically, find the truth and accept the truth. If your mind is controlled, indoctrinated with us being the good guys, you will never fix the problems in your own land because you blindly accept whatever is done in your name.

The sad irony is many people dont realise the downfall of the west as the no1 economic powerhouse is accepted by those who actually run the western nations. ITs not Boris or Biden who doesn't know what day it is but the elite esp those who control the finances of the west. The Central bank owners, big financiers and big companies dont need th west if its in decline. They will quickly change sides to whoever is in power.

Those who stand up against their own governments lies, deceit and lack of humanity, are actually the best citizens who care for the nation, not blind followers because of some old cultural mindset.
 
A looming crisis for Germany as Nord stream 1 will be offline for a couple of weeks in July. The idiots sanctioned Russia, meaning equipment is stuck in Canada needed to supply gas.

Early estimates show gas prices in Germany will soon rise 3 fold!

When will Germans wake up and put a stop to their government sending their nation to the toilet?
 
The problem isn't with the quality of life the problem is with the deplorable foreign policy. It is possible to be a happy British citizen and hate the actions of our government in regards to other countries.

Fair enough. But in this case, UK Gov is helping a democracy resist conquest by a despot. It’s doing the right thing.
 
Fair enough. But in this case, UK Gov is helping a democracy resist conquest by a despot. It’s doing the right thing.

I actually think now would be the right time to uphold last year’s Belarussian election by taking out Lukashenko and all the military bases in Belarus.

Currently Russia is devoting its entire military capacity to slowly expanding its control of Donbas. But if it had to take a defensive posture in favour of Lukashenko, whom it kept in power after he was heavily defeated in the Belarus election, they would be faced with a choice: try to prevent Belarus from joining NATO or take Donbas.

So I would be looking at attacking Belarus now.
 
Ukraine shelling forces Russians to halt Sievierodonetsk plant evacuation, Tass reports

June 25 (Reuters) - Ukrainian shelling on Saturday forced Russian troops to suspend the evacuation of people from a chemical plant in Sievierodonetsk, just hours after Moscow's forces took the city, Tass news agency quoted local police as saying.

Separately, a senior advisor to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said special forces were still in Sievierodonetsk, directing artillery fire against the Russians. The adviser, Oleksiy Arestovych, spoke in a video address.

Russian officials said there could still be several hundred people in the giant Azot plant, where they took shelter as the fighting spread.

Tass cited police working for the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic, where Sievierodonetsk is located.

"Our special forces are messing around there, directing our artillery at the enemy. In other words, we cannot say that the troops have been withdrawn completely from Sievierodonetsk," said Arestovych.

Earlier in the day both Kyiv and Moscow said Ukrainian forces had pulled out of Sievierodonetsk after weeks of brutal fighting that destroyed 90% of the city.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ierodonetsk-plant-evacuation-tass-2022-06-25/
 
Remaining Ukrainian troops ran away from Severodonetsk after getting bloodied and destroyed, now the western media is hailing it as "strategic retreat" LOL.

The Ukrainian government won't even let it's citizens evacuate peacefully for the sake of appeasing the west
 
Ukraine war: Severodonetsk now under Russian control following weeks-long battle
Previously home to more than 100,000 people, Severodonetsk has been largely destroyed following concentrated shelling during the Russian offensive.

The Ukrainian city of Severodonetsk is now under the "full occupation" of Russian forces following a weeks-long battle.

Mayor Oleksand Stryuk said on national television: "The city is now under the full occupation of Russia. They are trying to establish their own order, as far as I know they have appointed some kind of commandant."

Russia's Interfax news agency also cited the defence ministry as saying the city in the Luhansk was now under full control of Russian forces.

Previously home to more than 100,000 people, Severodonetsk is now largely destroyed following concentrated shelling during the Russian offensive.

The plan from Ukrainian officials was reportedly never to fend off the Russian advance, but rather fight a war of attrition leaving Vladimir Putin's forces vulnerable to a counter-offensive.

Having withdrawn from Severodonestk, Ukrainian forces will be looking to mount another defence at the nearby city of Lysyschansk, across the Siverskyi Donets river.

it comes as it was revealed that several Russian generals have been removed from their commands by military chiefs as a result of the progress of the Ukraine war, UK Defence Intelligence has said.

They include the commander of Airborne Forces General-Colonel Andrei Serdyukov; and commander Southern Group of Forces General of the Army Alexandr Dvornikov, according to the intelligence branch of the Ministry of Defence.

On Friday, it was revealed Ukrainian forces had been ordered to withdraw from Severodonetsk after weeks of fierce street fighting, in order to limit more casualties and regroup.

The move, which is the biggest strategic loss for Ukraine since the withdrawal from Mariupol, is likely to be seen by Russia as a significant victory.

Ukrainian officials said troops in Severodonetsk were ordered to withdraw as there was very little left to defend in the bombed-out eastern city.

Luhansk regional governor Serhiy Gaidai said on Ukrainian television that "Remaining in positions smashed to pieces over many months just for the sake of staying there does not make sense".

The fate of hundreds of civilians trapped in a chemical plant remains unknown.

South of Lysychansk, Ukrainian soldiers were forced to retreat from the towns of Hirske and Zolote in the face of overwhelming Russian forces, according to an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Ukraine's foreign minister said the retreat did not mean his country was losing the war, pointing out that Russia had wanted to occupy the eastern Donbas region by 9 May.

Severodonetsk, Lysychansk and their surrounding areas are the last major pockets of Ukrainian resistance in the Luhansk region - 95% of which is under Russian and local separatist forces' control.

UK PM warns of pressure for peace deal

The UK's Prime Minister Boris Johnson said he feared Ukraine could face pressure to agree a peace deal with Russia that was not in its interests, due to the economic consequences of the war in Europe.

"Too many countries are saying this is a European war that is unnecessary... and so the pressure will grow to encourage - coerce, maybe - the Ukrainians to a bad peace," he said.

Mr Johnson, who is in the Rwandan capital Kigali for a Commonwealth summit, said the consequences of Russian President Vladimir Putin being able to get his way in Ukraine would be dangerous to international security and "a long-term economic disaster".

He underscored his personal support for Ukraine by telling the BBC that if the British government decided that "we had to abandon the Ukrainian cause because it was simply getting too difficult and... the cost... was too great in terms of inflation... economic damage" he would resign as he would have accepted he had "lost a very important argument".

UK Defence Intelligence said Gen Dvornikov had probably for a time been acting as over-all operational commander in Ukraine.

The pair are just the latest officials to lose their positions as a result of the course of the war, according to UK intelligence officials, with Lieutenant General Serhiy Kisel, who commanded the elite 1st Guards Tank Army, also said to have been likely suspended for his failure to capture Kharkiv, and Vice Admiral Igor Osipov, who commanded Russia's Black Sea Fleet, said to have likely been fired for the sinking of the cruiser Moskva in April.

Ukraine has some success in Kherson region

Command of the Southern Group of Forces (SGF) is likely to transfer to Colonel-General Sergei Surovikin, as SGF continues to perform a central part in Russia's offensive in the Donbas, UK Defence Intelligence added.

For over 30 years, Col-Gen Surovikin's career is said to have been dogged with allegations of corruption and brutality.

Ukraine's general staff reported that its troops had some success in the Kherson region, pushing back the Russians from defensive positions near the village of Olhine, as a result of the latest in a series of Ukrainian counter-assaults.

Meanwhile, a Russian strike on a military base in Yavoriv, in western Ukraine, wounded four people, Lviv governor Maxim Kozitsky said in a video post on Saturday.

Mr Kozitsky said six missiles were fired from the Black Sea, with four hitting their target and two being intercepted and
destroyed before striking the facility.

On Friday, President Zelenskyy told a crowd at Glastonbury via a videolink: "We in Ukraine would also like to live the life as we used to and enjoy freedom and this wonderful summer, but we cannot do that because the most terrible has happened - Russia has stolen our peace."

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...eeks-long-battle-12640364?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
 
When there is no moral argument left , it always come down to you are free to go live there if you accept their view! This is a watered down version of nationalists who think because they are of a certain colour they have more right and are more loyal than others.

On the contrary true freedom is the ability to think critically, find the truth and accept the truth. If your mind is controlled, indoctrinated with us being the good guys, you will never fix the problems in your own land because you blindly accept whatever is done in your name.

The sad irony is many people dont realise the downfall of the west as the no1 economic powerhouse is accepted by those who actually run the western nations. ITs not Boris or Biden who doesn't know what day it is but the elite esp those who control the finances of the west. The Central bank owners, big financiers and big companies dont need th west if its in decline. They will quickly change sides to whoever is in power.

Those who stand up against their own governments lies, deceit and lack of humanity, are actually the best citizens who care for the nation, not blind followers because of some old cultural mindset.

Indeed, Freedom and Democracy are cringeworthy terms now, and invoked by the immorals when intellectual bankruptcy kicks in.

Liberals and Capitalists will change sides when ever it suits their motive.
 
I actually think now would be the right time to uphold last year’s Belarussian election by taking out Lukashenko and all the military bases in Belarus.

Currently Russia is devoting its entire military capacity to slowly expanding its control of Donbas. But if it had to take a defensive posture in favour of Lukashenko, whom it kept in power after he was heavily defeated in the Belarus election, they would be faced with a choice: try to prevent Belarus from joining NATO or take Donbas.

So I would be looking at attacking Belarus now.

Attacking Belarus? They are flooding weapons into Ukraine and getting decimated so why do you think that they stand a chance against Belarus?

NATO supplies are total junk.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...pushes-britain-to-seek-alternatives-9ck7b765h
 
EU is buying more oil from Russia.

US banks asked to ease sanctions on Russia so that swaps can be traded.

Ruble hitting new highs vs. the USD.

Western sanctions. :)))
 
What truly disturbs me about this thread is how little most people on it appear to value freedom, and how y’all purport to admire despots.

How you shout your complaints from the sidelines of freedomland, while hating the NATO forces who guard those sidelines and keep you free.

Yet you all remain here in freedomland anyway, instead of going to live in despotland.

I think that deep down, you all know where you are better off.

Definitely. Any place that doesn't get nuked or carpet bombed is certainly a better place.
 
Over 99% of their advanced weaponry has been expended (they have maybe 2% of their cruise missiles left, and are reduced to firing anti-ship missiles at Ukrainian cities) or lost.

Here is a prime example of how people will blatently lie and never come back to say they were wrong.

Junaids said as you as can see above, Russia is running out of cruise missiles. Today we are saying multiple sources including RT, BBC and CNN reporting that at least 40 cruise missiles were launched. 14 of them on targets on Kiev.

Junaid will accept you were completely wrong and that Russia is not even close to running out of cruise missiles?
 
The Ukrainian government won't even let it's citizens evacuate peacefully for the sake of appeasing the west

The Western puppet Ukrainian Government has banned Russian language and has been committing genocide against Russian speaking countrymen since 2014, this is nothing new to them. Just watch the France24 youtube video I posted above, people are happy with Russia coming in and saving them from the genocide.
 
Here is a prime example of how people will blatently lie and never come back to say they were wrong.

Junaids said as you as can see above, Russia is running out of cruise missiles. Today we are saying multiple sources including RT, BBC and CNN reporting that at least 40 cruise missiles were launched. 14 of them on targets on Kiev.

Junaid will accept you were completely wrong and that Russia is not even close to running out of cruise missiles?

Targets? you mean just casually killing civilains. The targets had no military significance.

Terror. Pure and simple.

Thats what Russia is now resorting too
 
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