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Russia invades Ukraine

Russia could carpet bomb Ukraine and the casualties still not hold a candle to the deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq by the hands of NATO/Western forces.

Let us know when Bush and Blair will face war crimes.
 
The Ukrainian government won't even let it's citizens evacuate peacefully for the sake of appeasing the west

Millions of refugees have evacuated to Poland, and been housed across the EU. (I won't say the UK, as our own efforts in that regard were populist in intent by Johnson and a failure in practical terms.)
 
Russia could carpet bomb Ukraine and the casualties still not hold a candle to the deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq by the hands of NATO/Western forces.

Let us know when Bush and Blair will face war crimes.

I mean, thats just not true is it. But anyway... you are saying its fine for Russia to do it in Ukraine?

Let me guess.... they aren't muslim
 
Targets? you mean just casually killing civilains. The targets had no military significance.

Terror. Pure and simple.

Thats what Russia is now resorting too

Each missile costs a lot of money to build. They would not be wasting them on civilians, makes zero sense. The targets are and have always been military assets or assets that can aid the military.

Even so my point was you guys keep telling us Russia is running out, I’m telling you that clearly you are lying.
 
I mean, thats just not true is it. But anyway... you are saying its fine for Russia to do it in Ukraine?

Let me guess.... they aren't muslim

It is 100% true, and we're not even on the topic of displacing 10s Millions in the ME.

I'm saying save your hypocritical tears. When you liberals condemn Bush and Blair and call for war crimes against the 2, then you may have a point on Ukraine.

Stop pretending you care about Ukrainians, its clear you have no morals anyway.
 
It is 100% true, and we're not even on the topic of displacing 10s Millions in the ME.

I'm saying save your hypocritical tears. When you liberals condemn Bush and Blair and call for war crimes against the 2, then you may have a point on Ukraine.

Stop pretending you care about Ukrainians, its clear you have no morals anyway.

Literally thousands of people protested in the Uk about the Iraq war and Blair is called a war criminal.

So i have no idea how you get to that conclusion.
 
Each missile costs a lot of money to build. They would not be wasting them on civilians, makes zero sense. The targets are and have always been military assets or assets that can aid the military.

Even so my point was you guys keep telling us Russia is running out, I’m telling you that clearly you are lying.


One of the targets in Kiev was the defence plant "Artyom", a manufacturer of air-to-air guided missiles. Russia is systematically wiping out Ukrainian defence manufacturing and weapons repair capacity with these missile attacks.
 
Work done on 26th June apart from wiping out Missile manufacturing facilities of Ukraine in Kiev:

High-precision weapons and Kalibrs hit the territory of the training centres of the Ukrainian troops in the Chernihiv, Zhytomyr & Lvov regions.

Pantsir-S of the Russian Armed Forces shot down a Su-25 aircraft and 12 rockets, repelling an attempt by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to strike at Snake Island.

In an air battle, a MiG-29 aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was shot down in the Dnipropetrovsk region.

Russian air defence destroyed 8 Ukrainian UAVs.
 
One of the targets in Kiev was the defence plant "Artyom", a manufacturer of air-to-air guided missiles. Russia is systematically wiping out Ukrainian defence manufacturing and weapons repair capacity with these missile attacks.

And at the same time rendered our whole pakistani tank fleet useless since engines gearboxes oils spares all come from ukraine , along side our ilyushin aircraft and air refuellers
 
And at the same time rendered our whole pakistani tank fleet useless since engines gearboxes oils spares all come from ukraine , along side our ilyushin aircraft and air refuellers

Pakistan doesn't actually need any of that stuff though since India would never dare actually occupy Pakistan territory. It's all a red herring. India wants Pakistan territory about as much as it wants Bangladesh.
 
Literally thousands of people protested in the Uk about the Iraq war and Blair is called a war criminal.

So i have no idea how you get to that conclusion.

Blair has been given the highest honour in the UK. Millions of others were happy with the war. There are even posters on here who believe the troops in Iraq right now are not occupying forces even though the Iraqi parliament has voted for them to leave.

Meanwhile Russia has pretty much secured the Donbass.

Russia also used a missile strike on a training facility for mercenaries near the Polish border, killing hundreds.

Ukraine is getting a brutal beating while your mate Blair is wearing camp robes with the degenerate Royals.
 
West’s war on Middle wast wrong , so is Russia’s on Ukraine.

Not understanding how one can defend one and attack another, both are wrong.
 
This will lead to WW3 coz no way is Russia gonna pull back. We will have food and gas shortages in Europe and the UK soon. Prepare for historical times.
 
This will lead to WW3 coz no way is Russia gonna pull back. We will have food and gas shortages in Europe and the UK soon. Prepare for historical times.
How many lives would be improved if the BRICs could learn that freedom and the fair rule of law are not optional.
 
Russia has just defaulted on its debt.

So the lies that their economy is booming have been exposed. Their economy has now officially collapsed.

Putin did this to Russia. He lost a war for Ukraine and has now wrecked his economy and all he has to show for it is that he has stolen slightly more of Donbas.
 
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This debt default wouldn’t really matter unless Russia screws up big in next 2 years.
It doesn’t need to borrow much , so they are in a good place right now.

For Russia to really default(not some 100 mil loan).. it has to
1.Lose all the Gas contracts to Europe
2.The war is extended for an year
3.Recession hits the world and gas prices tank completely.
 
This debt default wouldn’t really matter unless Russia screws up big in next 2 years.
It doesn’t need to borrow much , so they are in a good place right now.

For Russia to really default(not some 100 mil loan).. it has to
1.Lose all the Gas contracts to Europe
2.The war is extended for an year
3.Recession hits the world and gas prices tank completely.
That’s not what a debt default is.

A debt default is when you are legally required to repay an amount that you have borrowed by a due date, and you cannot do so.

So Russia defaulted yesterday, 26 June 2022.

Russia lasted 126 days of war in Ukraine before their own economy collapsed and they defaulted on their debt.

That’s just a fact.
 
That’s not what a debt default is.

A debt default is when you are legally required to repay an amount that you have borrowed by a due date, and you cannot do so.

So Russia defaulted yesterday, 26 June 2022.

Russia lasted 126 days of war in Ukraine before their own economy collapsed and they defaulted on their debt.

That’s just a fact.

“Officials in Moscow have said they have the money and intention to make the payments. But Western sanctions have frozen the country's foreign-currency holdings abroad.

It's unusual for a country to default on its foreign debt even when it has sufficient money.”

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20220627_20/


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Many more precision missiles launched by Russia overnight again. Junaids you told us they are running out?
 
Many more precision missiles launched by Russia overnight again. Junaids you told us they are running out?

Russia has already lost.

Their invasion failed in the first thirty days when they failed to take any major cities and lost a quarter of their conventional forces and arms.

Having been defeated in the Battle for Kiev and having not even got close to Lviv, the defeated Russians turned their intention to the soft goal of being welcomed as liberators by the ethnically Russian population of Donbas.

But the Russian speaking population of Donbas rejected Russia too, so now they are systematically destroying it to rubble.

Russia has suffered a humiliating defeat and after 127 days has gone bankrupt and defaulted on its debt.

And now because they are lobbing their last few missiles from long distance at the very city where they lost this war you think that shows their strength?

Russia has now disarmed itself and bankrupted itself. They would be incapable of starting and winning a war against San Marino or Liechtenstein now.
 
That’s not what a debt default is.

A debt default is when you are legally required to repay an amount that you have borrowed by a due date, and you cannot do so.

So Russia defaulted yesterday, 26 June 2022.

Russia lasted 126 days of war in Ukraine before their own economy collapsed and they defaulted on their debt.

That’s just a fact.

So Russia has been forced to default on its loans because of the sanctions?

And the creditors can now demand payment in full based on the default?

What happens if Russia just refuses to pay? They are still solvent due to the oil cashflow.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61929926
 
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So Russia has been forced to default on its loans because of the sanctions?

And the creditors can now demand payment in full based on the default?

What happens if Russia just refuses to pay? They are still solvent due to the oil cashflow.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61929926
They will continue to default and the elite will continue to embezzle the oil and gas revenue.

There is almost no difference between Vladimir Putin, Ferdinand Marcos or Idi Amin. People over-estimate his ability because he is white and wears western clothes.

But the standard of living of the Russian population is now in freefall, and sooner or later the ruling clique will fall.
 
Russia has already lost.

Their invasion failed in the first thirty days when they failed to take any major cities and lost a quarter of their conventional forces and arms.

Having been defeated in the Battle for Kiev and having not even got close to Lviv, the defeated Russians turned their intention to the soft goal of being welcomed as liberators by the ethnically Russian population of Donbas.

But the Russian speaking population of Donbas rejected Russia too, so now they are systematically destroying it to rubble.

Russia has suffered a humiliating defeat and after 127 days has gone bankrupt and defaulted on its debt.

And now because they are lobbing their last few missiles from long distance at the very city where they lost this war you think that shows their strength?

Russia has now disarmed itself and bankrupted itself. They would be incapable of starting and winning a war against San Marino or Liechtenstein now.

You continue to entertain with your views of how things are going. It is impossible to take a city of 3 million with 40k troops, it is also impossible to control a frontline of over than 800km with just 190-200k soldiers.

You keep saying over and over Russia failed around Kiev and failed in other ways without actually look at the evidence.

I shared a link by the British RUSI organisation the other day, you deliberately overlooked it. Had you bothered to read it you'd understand just why NATO are the ones who don't want to get into a war with Russia directly, they don't have the MIC in production to be able to keep up demand.

Right now Russia is churning out missiles because their MIC went into production the moment Russia knew there would be a war. They are not going to run out of ammunition or missiles anytime soon.

Russia might have defaulted on some small loan - even that is debateable because their assets are frozen. But they are not the ones running out of food, energy or fuel. I remind you, Germany are the ones who have implemented an "Emergency Gas Usage" Policy.
 
Usa is providing ukraine with nasams which can target aircraft 30 km away at an altitude of 68000 feet .

Russians will be vary wary of flying their cold War rust buckets anywhere near because they will be blown out of the sky .

This will reinforce the russian ww2 tactic of using artillery reducing cities to rubble with flanking maneuvers and them storming them as the defenders retreat basically a drawn out war , modern warfare is not fought like this aircraft take over the skies take out strategic targets render the air defences in effective then support ground troops by precision strikes drones helicopters come into play we saw that with usa in gulf war and how Turkey azerbaijan did it in karabakh .
 
Russia has just defaulted on its debt.

So the lies that their economy is booming have been exposed. Their economy has now officially collapsed.

Putin did this to Russia. He lost a war for Ukraine and has now wrecked his economy and all he has to show for it is that he has stolen slightly more of Donbas.

Considering russia got its backside kicked by Afghans and also chechens the ukraine war was a trap especially that the usa has armed the ukranians with proper weapons artillery Sam's atgms .

This war is gonna bleed russia big time
 
Usa is providing ukraine with nasams which can target aircraft 30 km away at an altitude of 68000 feet .

Russians will be vary wary of flying their cold War rust buckets anywhere near because they will be blown out of the sky .

This will reinforce the russian ww2 tactic of using artillery reducing cities to rubble with flanking maneuvers and them storming them as the defenders retreat basically a drawn out war , modern warfare is not fought like this aircraft take over the skies take out strategic targets render the air defences in effective then support ground troops by precision strikes drones helicopters come into play we saw that with usa in gulf war and how Turkey azerbaijan did it in karabakh .

Have you seen some of the comments from Ukranian soldiers about American equipment? Let's just say they're not very impressed. The complaints were becoming so frequent that the Ukranian leadership had to issue orders to their commanders, not to criticise western provided equipment.
 
So looking up this default in more detail and you understand that Russia have the money and the will to pay but not the means. The means to pay has been blocked.

Not often you get a situation where someone is defaulting even though they have the money.
 
You continue to entertain with your views of how things are going. It is impossible to take a city of 3 million with 40k troops, it is also impossible to control a frontline of over than 800km with just 190-200k soldiers.

You keep saying over and over Russia failed around Kiev and failed in other ways without actually look at the evidence.

I shared a link by the British RUSI organisation the other day, you deliberately overlooked it. Had you bothered to read it you'd understand just why NATO are the ones who don't want to get into a war with Russia directly, they don't have the MIC in production to be able to keep up demand.

Right now Russia is churning out missiles because their MIC went into production the moment Russia knew there would be a war. They are not going to run out of ammunition or missiles anytime soon.

Russia might have defaulted on some small loan - even that is debateable because their assets are frozen. But they are not the ones running out of food, energy or fuel. I remind you, Germany are the ones who have implemented an "Emergency Gas Usage" Policy.

Nazi Germany did it to Paris in 1940.
 
Nazi Germany did it to Paris in 1940.

I'd have to double check as off the top of my head I only have broad figures. I know during WW2 the sizes of armies were massive. I know Germany went into France with over 1 million soldiers and thousnamds of aircraft.

The scale of the forces in WW2 was just at another level. So I do not for a moment believe Paris was taken with just 40k soldiers.

If you have the actual figure and a source please share.
 
When the secretaries of Defense and State said publicly the U.S. wants Ukraine to win and weaken Russia, Biden said tone it down.

“Biden was not happy when Blinken and Austin talked about winning in Ukraine,” one of them said. “He was not happy with the rhetoric.”

"The secretaries explained that Austin’s comments had been misconstrued, another senior administration official said. But the displeasure Biden initially conveyed during that phone call, the officials said, reflected his administration’s belief that despite Ukrainian forces’ unexpected successes early on, the war would ultimately head in the direction it is now in two months later: a protracted conflict in which Russia continues to make small and steady advances.

U.S. officials are increasingly concerned that the trajectory of the war in Ukraine is untenable and are quietly discussing whether President Volodymyr Zelenskyy should temper his hard-line public position that no territory will ever be ceded to Russia as part of an agreement to end the war, according to seven current U.S. officials, former U.S. officials and European officials."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...icly-us-wanted-ukraine-win-biden-sa-rcna33826
 
Many more precision missiles launched by Russia overnight again. Junaids you told us they are running out?

Precision? They missed the target in Kyiv. Or are you admitting Russia is purposely targeting civilian buildings?

They have just hit a shopping centre with 1000 people in it.
 
It's frustration from the russians

They have been repeatedly hit on snake Island

And ukraine has used the himars in an attack on donbas killing scores of Russian soldiers in a base alongwith a colonel

Yet bones is telling us this war is going well
 
Yet bones is telling us this war is going well

When are killing hundreds of soldiers a day and capturing more territory each day then yes it’s going well.

Ukraine have issued the mobilisation order number 6 whilst the Russians are haven’t mobilised at all. That in itself should tell you how it’s going.
 
Precision? They missed the target in Kyiv. Or are you admitting Russia is purposely targeting civilian buildings?

They have just hit a shopping centre with 1000 people in it.

During this special military operation the Russians recorded Ukrainian artillery using a shopping centre for cover. The drone footage was released in order to shut the propaganda off. I have no doubt a video will be released again.
 
You are an apologist for a murdering fascist tyrant.

And if u are british I'm ashamed people like you are allowed to enjoy the benefits freedom brings
 
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You are an apologist for a murdering fascist tyrant.

And if u are british I'm ashamed people like you are allowed to enjoy the benefits freedom brings

You are an ignorant person. I explained to you with facts what happened earlier in the conflict, instead of saying logically, hey I will give the benefit of the doubt because Ukraine were using a shopping centre as cover before, you decided to follow the lying MSM.
 
You are an ignorant person. I explained to you with facts what happened earlier in the conflict, instead of saying logically, hey I will give the benefit of the doubt because Ukraine were using a shopping centre as cover before, you decided to follow the lying MSM.

Not only shopping centres, Ukraine also uses residential apartments and even kindergarten schools as their hide outs because it is very difficult to strike these places without getting information from Local Russian informants. The Telegram channels are filled with such photos.
 
You are an apologist for a murdering fascist tyrant.

And if u are british I'm ashamed people like you are allowed to enjoy the benefits freedom brings

This would mean you’re a bigger apologist for a bigger murdering , a pure evil entity in Nato .

You have no right to be feel more or less ashamed . You don’t own Britain .

You & nato apologists have been owned on this thread . Improve your debating skills not your lame attacks
 
This would mean you’re a bigger apologist for a bigger murdering , a pure evil entity in Nato .

You have no right to be feel more or less ashamed . You don’t own Britain .

You & nato apologists have been owned on this thread . Improve your debating skills not your lame attacks

you havd been told numerous times about the 'conflicts' NATO have been involved in. Hardly any, and the ones they have have been at the request of the UN.
 
You are an ignorant person. I explained to you with facts what happened earlier in the conflict, instead of saying logically, hey I will give the benefit of the doubt because Ukraine were using a shopping centre as cover before, you decided to follow the lying MSM.

Ukraine can put their army wherever they like, its their country.

Just because they put some trucks in the car park doesn't make it a legitimate military target. Only scumbags would think that.
 
Ukraine can put their army wherever they like, its their country.

Just because they put some trucks in the car park doesn't make it a legitimate military target. Only scumbags would think that.

They weren’t storing trucks they were storing artillery and ammunition. But if you store these vehicles in civilian locations why cry when the enemy hits those targets.

Scumbags are those who bomb helpless civilians since 2014.
 
I'd have to double check as off the top of my head I only have broad figures. I know during WW2 the sizes of armies were massive. I know Germany went into France with over 1 million soldiers and thousnamds of aircraft.

The scale of the forces in WW2 was just at another level. So I do not for a moment believe Paris was taken with just 40k soldiers.

If you have the actual figure and a source please share.

Ah, as [MENTION=138292]msaaim89[/MENTION] points out, the Wehrmacht entered Paris unopposed.
 
It's a shame but the nato and globalists are hell bent on ww3 and a massive war on the European continent with Russia the head of British army has come out again about engaging russia , 300000 nato troops are on standby .

By this winter and maybe next year there could be a direct war , and energy and food crisis that effects millions across the world.

Plan would have been for us pakistanis in uk to get out and go back to pakistan but the globalists have put an end to that by removing ik and installing the crook regime which will turn pakistan into Somalia where the country will be bankrupt and suffering from lack of energy and food shortages in the very near future .
 
How many lives would be improved if the BRICs could learn that freedom and the fair rule of law are not optional.

And what exactly does this have to do with the coming WW3? I don't always blame the first world west for the lawlessness in third world dumps.
 
Considering russia got its backside kicked by Afghans and also chechens the ukraine war was a trap especially that the usa has armed the ukranians with proper weapons artillery Sam's atgms .

This war is gonna bleed russia big time

Lol..I really have to ask some of you to do a bit more research..some are busy comparing desert storm to thus war. Others comparing ww2 to this war..

Look this war is similar but unique like all wars.

But that is a discussion for another time.

Coming on to your comment. They have sent a very limited number of HIMARS. their effectiveness will be limited.

The Ukrainian armed forces have been destroyed as a practical battlefield army. They can still mount operations but they have lost the majority of their trained soldiers and are having to use lesser trained men. The donbass is gone. Their airforce is gone. Their armoured corps are finished..

Their best tactic now would be to use small groups coordinated by the cia and others..they can then try to slow and harass the Russians..thus giving time for more training and equipment to arrive..the problem with this tactic is it will not win them back any territory.

There is now a clear division in those supporting the Ukrainians. One wants negotiations and for the donbass to be given to Russia in exchange for guarantees on security and some sea access..another camp wants to prolong the war and try and bleed Russia..

Ultimately negotiations are the only way to solve this problem. Beyond the donbass Russian objectives are unclear..we will know more once they gave fully secured it. As of now they gave plenty of cards to bring to the table..
 
It's a shame but the nato and globalists are hell bent on ww3 and a massive war on the European continent with Russia the head of British army has come out again about engaging russia , 300000 nato troops are on standby .

By this winter and maybe next year there could be a direct war , and energy and food crisis that effects millions across the world.

As I have pointed out, NATO is a defensive alliance between governments. It doesn’t control any signatory governments.

Governments choose to join NATO to keep their countries safe from attack by Russia. They know how Russian domination feels. They prefer freedom and liberty. These have to be guarded by soldiers.

The term “Globalists” reads like conspiracy theory to me. Nobody wants a war that will knock humanity back a thousand years. Nobody could possibly profit. Any “globalists” would be incinerated as fast as anyone else.

Putin is the problem. For three decades, Western governments scaled back their military spending. But Putin wants the Russian Empire back and the West is re-arming in self-defence.
 
Their best tactic now would be to use small groups coordinated by the cia and others..they can then try to slow and harass the Russians..thus giving time for more training and equipment to arrive..the problem with this tactic is it will not win them back any territory.

This.

Just keep bleeding them. Keep sending young Russians home in body bags.

If the militias are finally ground down, switch to guerilla tactics.
 
Ultimately negotiations are the only way to solve this problem. Beyond the donbass Russian objectives are unclear..we will know more once they gave fully secured it. As of now they gave plenty of cards to bring to the table..

I agree with all of your statements. Recently I read that Ukraine could have lost more than 70k of it's army, most of them the most well trained and well equipped.

Why would Putin and the Russians want to negotiate? They have production in full flow for a long conflict, they are making gains everyday, destroying more Ukranians forces and winning the economic war. 3 months ago I could see Russia negotiating, but right now I don't see them stopping. The question for me is, what will Russia be happy to settle with?
 
The West never cut down on military spending, on the contrary the West has increased military spending by selling arms to nations, spending Trillions on the war on terror, which had nothing to do with Russia, spending Billions on regime change around the world, nothing to do with Russia, and countless on other wars, again nothing to do with Russia.

The only one pushing for an Empire/Imperialism are the West which is why they keep going on about military spending in terms of GDP.

Remember, Russia warned the West about Ukraine for over a decade and the West were bot interested in peace.

The truth is the West are peed off. Sanctions didn't work. Tearing down the wall didn't work.
 
The Russian missile strike on a Ukrainian shopping centre amounts to a war crime, according to the G7.

On Monday, two air strikes in the city of Kremenchuk left at least 18 people dead and dozens injured.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said shortly after the attack that more than 1,000 civilians were inside the mall at the time of the strike.

SKY
 
Britain and its allies face their "1937 moment" following Russia's invasion of Ukraine and must do everything possible to avert another world war, the new head of the army has said.

The warning emerged as Prime Minister Boris Johnson is expected to announce an uplift in UK defence spending this week, in line with growing security challenges.

General Sir Patrick Sanders, the Chief of the General Staff, said Russian President Vladimir Putin and his "expansionist ambitions" pose the greatest threat to sovereignty, democracy and the freedom to live without violence that he has ever known.

Mariupol residents 'forced to hunt pigeons' to eat - live updates

His comments, at an annual army conference in London, were made as Mr Johnson and fellow leaders of the 30-member NATO alliance prepare to meet in Madrid for a landmark summit, dominated by the West's response to Russia's war.

General Sanders, who took over as chief of the army last month, said his sole focus is "mobilising the army to meet the new threat we face".

He said the "British Army is not mobilising to provoke war, it is mobilising to prevent war" in Europe.

He called the scale of the war in Ukraine "unprecedented".

"In all my years in uniform I haven't known such a clear threat to the principals of sovereignty and democracy and the freedom to live without fear of violence as the brutal aggression of President Putin and his expansionist ambitions," he said.

His warnings will be echoed by Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, who is also expected to speak at the army conference before he travels to attend the NATO summit.

The defence secretary is set to indicate a desire for greater spending on the UK's armed forces from 2025, following what has already been a multi-billion-pound boost to defence spending this parliament.

"The defence secretary is expected to emphasise that now that the threat has changed, governments must be prepared to invest to keep us safe," a defence source said.

Another defence source said: "We do not comment on alleged leaks. The defence secretary and the prime minister have always said that the government will respond to any changes in threat, which is why in 2020 the Ministry of Defence received a record defence settlement."

With Russia's invasion changing the security landscape in Europe, the head of the NATO alliance has already revealed that allies will significantly increase the size of a high readiness force to more than 300,000 personnel up from around 40,000.

General Sanders gave details of his view on the threat posed by Russia and how his army is adapting, with a greater focus on urban combat and rebuilding costly stockpiles of weapons - allowed to be hollowed out to save money since the end of the Cold War.

It is a move that will require all ranks from general to lance corporal to "get ready, train hard and engage", he said.

"This is our 1937 moment," the army chief said, referring to the crucial period leading up to World War Two.

"We are not at war - but must act rapidly so that we aren't drawn into one through a failure to contain territorial expansion… I will do everything in my power to ensure that the British Army plays its part in averting war."

The challenge means the army must modernise, embracing new technologies such as cyber warfare and long-range missiles, but also retain traditional soldiering skills.

General Sanders said if a battle came "standoff air, maritime or cyber fires are unlikely to dominate on their own - land will still be the decisive to domain", adding that "you can't cyber your way across a river".

He said the army's mobilisation is "not the rush to war at the speed of the railway timetables of 1914" but is an "acceleration of the most important parts of Future Soldier's bold modernisation agenda… an increased focus on readiness and combined arms training."

Future Soldier is the name given to the army's plans for its capabilities.

This will mean more training on combining the different domains of warfare - land, sea, air, cyber and space as well as rebuilding stockpiles.

General Sanders also said the army will "review the deployability of our vehicle fleet".

This could be a signal of a decision to be made about a multi-billion-pound programme to develop a mini-tank called Ajax that has been beset with problems and has not yet delivered.

The top officer said deterring Russia "means more of the army ready more of the time" and that he expects "all ranks to get ready, train hard and engage".

https://news.sky.com/story/britain-...ing-ukraine-war-head-of-army-to-warn-12641463
 
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This.

Just keep bleeding them. Keep sending young Russians home in body bags.

If the militias are finally ground down, switch to guerilla tactics.

Only tactic they have left but if executed they could cause alot of trouble..I think it will be more effective in the West..not east.

However I believe Putin will negotiate once he has met his next objectives..we have to wait and see what happens..he may stop at donbass and keep aircraft for a no fly zone and airstrikes in Ukraine.. or he could get them to sign an agreement..maybe use some politicians in Ukraine for his benefit..we just don't know yet.
 
I agree with all of your statements. Recently I read that Ukraine could have lost more than 70k of it's army, most of them the most well trained and well equipped.

Why would Putin and the Russians want to negotiate? They have production in full flow for a long conflict, they are making gains everyday, destroying more Ukranians forces and winning the economic war. 3 months ago I could see Russia negotiating, but right now I don't see them stopping. The question for me is, what will Russia be happy to settle with?

They will negotiate for their own advantage..all depends on what his next move after donbass is..
 
When The Lies Come Home

"Having lied prolifically for months to the American public about the origins and conduct of the war in Ukraine, the media are now preparing the American, British, and other Western publics for Ukraine’s military collapse. It is long overdue.

The Western media did everything in its power to give the Ukrainian defense the appearance of far greater strength than it really possessed. Careful observers noted that the same video clips of Russian tanks under attack were shown repeatedly. Local counterattacks were reported as though they were operational maneuvers.

Russian errors were exaggerated out of all proportion to their significance. Russian losses and the true extent of Ukraine’s own losses were distorted, fabricated, or simply ignored. But conditions on the battlefield changed little over time. Once Ukrainian forces immobilized themselves in static defensive positions inside urban areas and the central Donbas, the Ukrainian position was hopeless. But this development was portrayed as failure by the Russians to gain “their objectives.”

The result has been the piecemeal annihilation of Ukrainian forces. Only the episodic infusion of U.S. and allied weapons kept Kiev’s battered legions in the field; legions that are now dying in great numbers thanks to Washington’s proxy war.

Kiev’s war with Moscow is lost. Ukrainian forces are being bled white. Trained replacements do not exist in sufficient numbers to influence the battle, and the situation grows more desperate by the hour. No amount of U.S. and allied military aid or assistance short of direct military intervention by U.S. and NATO ground forces can change this harsh reality.

The problem today is not ceding territory and population to Moscow in Eastern Ukraine that Moscow already controls. The future of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions along with the Donbas is decided. Moscow is also likely to secure Kharkov and Odessa, two cities that are historically Russian and Russian-speaking, as well as the territory that adjoins them. These operations will extend the conflict through the summer. The problem now is how to stop the fighting.

Whether the fighting stops in the early fall will depend on two key factors. The first involves the leadership in Kiev. Will the Zelensky government consent to the Biden program for perpetual conflict with Russia?

If the Biden administration has its way, Kiev will continue to operate as a base for the buildup of new forces poised to threaten Moscow. In practice, this means Kiev must commit national suicide by exposing the Ukrainian heartland west of the Dnieper River to massive, devastating strikes by Russia’s long-range missile and rocket forces.

Of course, these developments are not inevitable. Berlin, Paris, Rome, Budapest, Bucharest, Sofia, Vilnius, Riga, Tallin, and, yes, even Warsaw, do not have to blindly follow Washington’s lead. Europeans, like most Americans, are already peering into the abyss of an all-encompassing economic downturn that Biden’s policies are creating at home. Unlike Americans who must cope with the consequences of Biden’s ill-conceived policies, European governments can opt out of Biden’s perpetual-war plan for Ukraine.

The second factor involves Washington itself. Having poured more than $60 billion or a little more than $18 billion a month in direct or indirect transfers into a Ukrainian state that is now crumbling, the important question is, what happens to millions of Ukrainians in the rest of the country that did not flee? And where will the funds come from to rebuild Ukraine’s shattered society in a developing global economic emergency?

When inflation costs the average American household an extra $460 per month to buy the same goods and services this year as they did last year, it is quite possible that Ukraine could sink quietly beneath the waves like the Titanic without evoking much concern in the American electorate. Experienced politicians know that the American span of attention to matters beyond America’s borders is so short that an admission of defeat in Ukraine would probably have little or no immediate consequences."

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/when-the-lies-come-home/
 
Turkey reverses its decision re: Sweden and Finland joining NATO.

Finland joining NATO is a problem for Russia:

-Russia's most crucial assets, especially their long range bomber fleet and a massive amount of their nuclear assets are all near Finland. All of which is connected to mainland Russia by only a stretch of one 700km road surrounded by pine forests. In any event where there's war it would be very easy for a small amount of infiltrators to cross and disrupt the road and paralyse a huge amount of Russian assets from the mainland
-Currently the Russian fleet is free to travel in the baltic sea, but if NATO Finland and Sweden join in there would be no way for Russian submarines to sneak by or their fleet to travel freely as the corridor available will be too narrow, it would paralyse a large part of Russian navy
-Finland's army is also no mugs, most of their training has been with NATO in the past and they will be bolstered by further NATO cooperation
-During WW2 when the Soviets were being beaten by the Nazis the Finns overran a large part of Soviet territory in 1941 from the North stopping near Leningrad, they were eventually pushed out but Russians have always remembered this and this will still play on their minds in case of a large war against NATO and too many fronts to deal with
-For this purpose Finland always stayed neutral, supported by their population as they knew them joining any Western alliance is a massive provocation since it would ring big alarm bells

This is a big announcement, but also should dispel any myths that the West is cornering Russia.

I have lived in Eastern Europe for more than half a decade, and unlike Finland, most of them are as corrupt as Pakistan and have no business being in the EU. The only reason they're in EU and NATO is to antagonise Russia.
 
Congratulations on NATO movement, but British citizens with the massive wealth accumulated during colonization shouldn't give a lecture to BRICS nations.

If India hadn’t done deal with Russia on crude Indian poor people would had been most hurt with gas prices, ridiculous notion that freedom matters more than food,shelter.

Rather the governments help the poor then talk about “Freedom”.
 
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Looks like Sweden and Finland will be joining NATO after all.
 
Congratulations on NATO movement, but British citizens with the massive wealth accumulated during colonization shouldn't give a lecture to BRICS nations.

If India hadn’t done deal with Russia on crude Indian poor people would had been most hurt with gas prices, ridiculous notion that freedom matters more than food,shelter.

Rather the governments help the poor then talk about “Freedom”.

I completely get India being a victim of imperialism.

But Russia? its been built on that. Just as much as Britian, and much more recent
 
I completely get India being a victim of imperialism.

But Russia? its been built on that. Just as much as Britian, and much more recent

British Issues with Russia they can argue do what they want, but no point telling India to not buy gas and value “Freedom”.
 
British Issues with Russia they can argue do what they want, but no point telling India to not buy gas and value “Freedom”.

Who brought India into it?

Thread is about protecting Ukrainian democracy and freedom from a Russian kleptocrat despot.

India must choose which of the two emerging blocs they side with - the liberal democratic West or the repressive authoritarian East. Their call.
 
-Currently the Russian fleet is free to travel in the baltic sea, but if NATO Finland and Sweden join in there would be no way for Russian submarines to sneak by or their fleet to travel freely as the corridor available will be too narrow, it would paralyse a large part of Russian navy

Russian navy ships will still have access to the Baltic out of Leningrad. They can stay in international waters. They cannot lawfully enter Finnish or Swedish waters so nothing has changed.
 
The video of the rocket attack to expose the lies from Russia.

Either they actively targeted a civilian building or their precision weapons are the complete opposite.

The story about a weapons Ammo being hit and spreading is aldo a lie as satelite images show nothing else was hit.
 
And to stop the paralysation of baltic waters russia will lay reclaims on the baltic states which have russian populations like Estonia latvia Lithuania.

Atm nato is squeezing them let's see how russia reacts further down the road the British definently want a war with russia on the level of ww2 on European continent .

With putin portrayed as the modern day hitler.
 
And to stop the paralysation of baltic waters russia will lay reclaims on the baltic states which have russian populations like Estonia latvia Lithuania.

Atm nato is squeezing them let's see how russia reacts further down the road the British definently want a war with russia on the level of ww2 on European continent .

With putin portrayed as the modern day hitler.

Disabuse yourself of this nonsense right now. Full-scale war with Russia means nothing less than the end of the world. No sane person wants that.

The Baltic states all know what it is like to be invaded by Russia and ruled from Moscow. They joined NATO for their own protection from Russia. That's why they haven't been invaded.

As for Putin being portrayed as a modern Hitler - well, if the jackboot fits. Banning free and fair elections, so effectively a one-party state. Murderously crushing dissent. Personality cult. Prison without trial. Invading neighbouring countries. Key industries handed over to cronies.

All these problems are down to just one man.
 
Ukraine war: Johnson says if Putin were a woman he would not have invaded

Russian President Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if he were a woman, Boris Johnson has claimed.

The UK prime minister said the "crazy, macho" invasion was a "perfect example of toxic masculinity" and he called for "more women in positions of power".

But Downing Street said there was "not a deliberate policy" to publicly belittle Mr Putin.

Mr Johnson's comments come ahead of a Nato meeting where allies will discuss how to respond to future threats.

At the summit in Madrid, he is set to call on fellow members of the defensive alliance to ramp up defence spending.

The UK's defence spending is projected to reach 2.3% of GDP - a key measure of the annual income of a country - this year as a result of defence industry investment and £1.3bn in military support for Ukraine, the government said.

All Nato members have committed to spend 2% of their GDP on defence, but in 2021, the target had only been reached or exceeded by eight countries, including the US.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61976526
 
The video of the rocket attack to expose the lies from Russia.

Either they actively targeted a civilian building or their precision weapons are the complete opposite.

The story about a weapons Ammo being hit and spreading is aldo a lie as satelite images show nothing else was hit.

I saw a video of what appeared to be an explosion very close to a park, I'm sure you have seen that too. If you have a look at google maps you'll see the layout has some big factory/warehouse lying between the supermarket and the park.

All of this suggests to me and to most sensible observers, that the target was the factory/warehouse and they hit it. They hit it with such force that the impact caused the fire in the shopping mall.

I said the other day I would wait before I made an informed opinion about the Ukranian and MSM claims of Russia targeting civilians, turns I was right yet again about the western MSM feeding propaganda.
 
I saw a video of what appeared to be an explosion very close to a park, I'm sure you have seen that too. If you have a look at google maps you'll see the layout has some big factory/warehouse lying between the supermarket and the park.

All of this suggests to me and to most sensible observers, that the target was the factory/warehouse and they hit it. They hit it with such force that the impact caused the fire in the shopping mall.

I said the other day I would wait before I made an informed opinion about the Ukranian and MSM claims of Russia targeting civilians, turns I was right yet again about the western MSM feeding propaganda.

You are absolutely unreal. Video evidence of it hitting the shopping centre, satelitte proof that no other target was hit so a fire couldn't have spread.

The missile has been identified as a 60 year old anti ship missile (which proves they are running out of new stuff) and it has a range of 300m of failure. Guess what? the shopping centre was within the 300m failure zone.
 
Disabuse yourself of this nonsense right now. Full-scale war with Russia means nothing less than the end of the world. No sane person wants that.

The Baltic states all know what it is like to be invaded by Russia and ruled from Moscow. They joined NATO for their own protection from Russia. That's why they haven't been invaded.

As for Putin being portrayed as a modern Hitler - well, if the jackboot fits. Banning free and fair elections, so effectively a one-party state. Murderously crushing dissent. Personality cult. Prison without trial. Invading neighbouring countries. Key industries handed over to cronies.

All these problems are down to just one man.

Robert with all due respect some of the rhetoric that is coming from the British side like bojo the army chief , liz truss we could spiral into ww3 they want direct war with Russia the irresponsible army chief has been saying that troops must be prepared to stop russia and will need to fight in Europe.

And like you said it will mean the end of the world because russia is not like the badu States of the Middle East Iraq libya Syria etc they will fight back and the way russian psyche is I have a feeling their ruling class don't really give a monkeys about their population being killed as long as they can get into their deep bunkers they have built across an absolute massive landmass like in altai Mt's and siberia etc they might bank on riding it out in an underground complex but they would certainly turn the rest of western Europe to dust all it takes is one bomb in London and the fallout will kill everyone up to Scotland.
 
The sheer fact any direct conflict between NATO/WEST vs. Russia would lead to WW3, is the very reason NATO/WEST are bricking it. Russia isn't some weak ME nation that can be bullied by the West, be it by force or sanctions, and Russia knows this, and so do the West/NATO.

NATO didn't have the sand to impose a no-fly zone for this very reason.

Meanwhile Germany and France have suggested to to preserve the 1997 Founding Act where NATO and Russia do not consider each other as adversaries. Funny, Russia suggested the same moons ago, but warmongering/racist/fascist NATO said no.
 
You are absolutely unreal. Video evidence of it hitting the shopping centre, satelitte proof that no other target was hit so a fire couldn't have spread.

The missile has been identified as a 60 year old anti ship missile (which proves they are running out of new stuff) and it has a range of 300m of failure. Guess what? the shopping centre was within the 300m failure zone.

Here is a clip showing the close proximity of the missle to the park.

https://twitter.com/tickerNEWSco/status/1541964721909284870?s=20&t=QtzdOWDQR7Y1KevIv5FnNA

Here is a link of the area on google maps.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/С...xfbaffd9be0ade101!8m2!3d49.0700002!4d33.42453

Here is the same map showing the same site with three boxes. Pink box is the park. Blue box is the warehouse/factory. Green box is the shopping centre.

I think it's very clear what the target was and it's clear what was hit. Now you can believe what you like. But I know the shopping centre was struck inadvertedly.
 
Robert with all due respect some of the rhetoric that is coming from the British side like bojo the army chief , liz truss we could spiral into ww3 they want direct war with Russia the irresponsible army chief has been saying that troops must be prepared to stop russia and will need to fight in Europe.

And like you said it will mean the end of the world because russia is not like the badu States of the Middle East Iraq libya Syria etc they will fight back and the way russian psyche is I have a feeling their ruling class don't really give a monkeys about their population being killed as long as they can get into their deep bunkers they have built across an absolute massive landmass like in altai Mt's and siberia etc they might bank on riding it out in an underground complex but they would certainly turn the rest of western Europe to dust all it takes is one bomb in London and the fallout will kill everyone up to Scotland.

Interesting point - the Russians are used to vast losses. The famines brought in by collectivisation, and the 20 million troops lost in WW2.

But nuclear exchange would dwarf that.

While I don’t trust BoJo and Truss an inch, they have to talk tough. It’s part of deterrence. Military weakness causes wars. Military balance prevents them ever happening. No way would USA-UK-Poland-Australia have barged into Iraq had the Iraqis had the capability to stop them.

We are a long way from hot war. No jets have bumped heads, no shots exchanged at the border. All that had happened is a few ships have done some probing to check response time, and been harassed for it.

The Army chief is saying that he doesn’t have the men to be an effective deterrent, nothing more. Generals don’t start wars, for they have seen what wars mean, and seek to deter them.
 
Who brought India into it?

Thread is about protecting Ukrainian democracy and freedom from a Russian kleptocrat despot.

India must choose which of the two emerging blocs they side with - the liberal democratic West or the repressive authoritarian East. Their call.

No. This is no longer the choice. There is no east vs west..it is the rest of the world vs a small group of countries hell bent on dominating the world and its resources. If you want to be part of the group you have to follow the rules. If you try to follow an independent policy you are regime chained. By the way I don't include Russia in the opposing camp. This argument is one that is in the small group house..an internal squabble. Russia has always been part of the European colonial problem.

The rest of the world is getting sick and tired of European and European origin countries using their countries land and people as play things. Hence why the majority of the world's populace couldn't care less about Europeans and their problems.. they want freedom from western debt from western weapons and from the west's neo colonial projects. Enough is enough..hence why most of us are ambivalent about this war..
 
Here is a clip showing the close proximity of the missle to the park.

https://twitter.com/tickerNEWSco/status/1541964721909284870?s=20&t=QtzdOWDQR7Y1KevIv5FnNA

Here is a link of the area on google maps.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/С...xfbaffd9be0ade101!8m2!3d49.0700002!4d33.42453

Here is the same map showing the same site with three boxes. Pink box is the park. Blue box is the warehouse/factory. Green box is the shopping centre.

I think it's very clear what the target was and it's clear what was hit. Now you can believe what you like. But I know the shopping centre was struck inadvertedly.

So they are either completly useless at aiming... their weapons are not precision (so shouldn't be hitting anything in a civilian area) or it was deliberate?

yesterday you said Ukraine were hiding military gear in the centre?

which is it?
 
Robert with all due respect some of the rhetoric that is coming from the British side like bojo the army chief , liz truss we could spiral into ww3 they want direct war with Russia the irresponsible army chief has been saying that troops must be prepared to stop russia and will need to fight in Europe.

And like you said it will mean the end of the world because russia is not like the badu States of the Middle East Iraq libya Syria etc they will fight back and the way russian psyche is I have a feeling their ruling class don't really give a monkeys about their population being killed as long as they can get into their deep bunkers they have built across an absolute massive landmass like in altai Mt's and siberia etc they might bank on riding it out in an underground complex but they would certainly turn the rest of western Europe to dust all it takes is one bomb in London and the fallout will kill everyone up to Scotland.

This is nonsense..this fight is between gangsters fighting over turf but ultimately they don't want to lose the benefits of the turf..thus no nukes..

The only time you should be worried about ww3 is if the Europeans and European origin countries feel like they did when Bayazid the ottoman sultan defeated them in the 1300's or when they lost constantinople. It will take something monumental by a Muslim power or perhaps and Asian power to inflict something like this for nukes to even be contemplated..otherwise yay topi drama hay..
 
So they are either completly useless at aiming... their weapons are not precision (so shouldn't be hitting anything in a civilian area) or it was deliberate?

yesterday you said Ukraine were hiding military gear in the centre?

which is it?

Technology can go awry. The Americans were notorious for this too..we have seen it happen numerous times.
 
No. This is no longer the choice. There is no east vs west..it is the rest of the world vs a small group of countries hell bent on dominating the world and its resources. If you want to be part of the group you have to follow the rules. If you try to follow an independent policy you are regime chained. By the way I don't include Russia in the opposing camp. This argument is one that is in the small group house..an internal squabble. Russia has always been part of the European colonial problem.

The rest of the world is getting sick and tired of European and European origin countries using their countries land and people as play things. Hence why the majority of the world's populace couldn't care less about Europeans and their problems.. they want freedom from western debt from western weapons and from the west's neo colonial projects. Enough is enough..hence why most of us are ambivalent about this war..

With respect, I think you are wrong here. China is the coming power and already in position to dominate many African, Asian and South American nations economically. In time they will swallow South Asia too. The way for the long term survival of the Western democracies (including Australia and NZ) is stay in a big economic and military bloc.
 
This is nonsense..this fight is between gangsters fighting over turf but ultimately they don't want to lose the benefits of the turf..thus no nukes..

The only time you should be worried about ww3 is if the Europeans and European origin countries feel like they did when Bayazid the ottoman sultan defeated them in the 1300's or when they lost constantinople. It will take something monumental by a Muslim power or perhaps and Asian power to inflict something like this for nukes to even be contemplated..otherwise yay topi drama hay..

"The West" wasn't really a thing when the Eastern Roman Empire fell. It was a series of smaller powers constantly at war with each other including the Holy Roman Empire, France, Poland-Lithuania, and a disunited British Isles.
 
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