Russia invades Ukraine

[Technics 1210]

The West wasn't a thing until Amreeka dropped 2 nukes on Japan.

Rest is history.

 

[KingKhanWC]

you havd been told numerous times about the 'conflicts' NATO have been involved in. Hardly any, and the ones they have have been at the request of the UN.

You really are clueless.

The delusion the west are the good guys isnt even worth debating, just see the last 20 years. Millions have been killed as a result of western bombings/war.

Nato is pretty much the USA and its lapdogs. What it claims means nothing when how it acts if very different. Once you understand this you will not be easily fooled, just put your ethnicity and patriotism away to wake up to reality.

When one blindly defends such an organistion esp in this conflict , one is defending the instigator and warmonger.

You want Putin and Russia to stop , then stop demanding the Ukrainians fight a lost a cause, stop sending billions in arms and stop ruining your own economy.

 

[Pakpak]

Russian navy ships will still have access to the Baltic out of Leningrad. They can stay in international waters. They cannot lawfully enter Finnish or Swedish waters so nothing has changed.

No they can't. Internatuonal waters in the Baltic sea are v narrow. And on all 3 sides they have enemy states who's territorial waters will extend.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The West wasn't a thing until Amreeka dropped 2 nukes on Japan.

Rest is history.

We have supporters of the West defending dropping two nuclear bombs but also believe these people are the good guys. lol.

In the meantime, Russia have captured a strategic town of Severodonetsk. The Chechens arrived, the town was soon liberated. The Chechens did the same in Mariupol.

Ukranians attacked Snake Island by lobbing long distance rockets given by the Yanks. Their supporters are raving about this lol. It was actually a dumb move as it meant Russia could justify bombing official buildings in Odessa, great prep for the upcoming liberation of this area too.

 

[Pakpak]

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

Currently they can easily pass undetected away from Estonian waters. But if Finland and Sweden join up the passage available to them will be too narrow for them to slither past undetected in any sort of dangerous numbers. Before their fleet is even past Estonia entire NATO will be aware and can pin them down before they get to free waters.

 

[Pakpak]

We have supporters of the West defending dropping two nuclear bombs but also believe these people are the good guys. lol.

In the meantime, Russia have captured a strategic town of Severodonetsk. The Chechens arrived, the town was soon liberated. The Chechens did the same in Mariupol.

Ukranians attacked Snake Island by lobbing long distance rockets given by the Yanks. Their supporters are raving about this lol. It was actually a dumb move as it meant Russia could justify bombing official buildings in Odessa, great prep for the upcoming liberation of this area too.

Russians will eventually take over the East. This war will be either be a stalemate or Russians will slowly eat away at land.

The West should thinking on solutions to end the war and taking on negotiations. Instead of sacrificing innocent civilians by arming one side to the teeth which will eventually make no difference.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Russians will eventually take over the East. This war will be either be a stalemate or Russians will slowly eat away at land.

The West should thinking on solutions to end the war and taking on negotiations. Instead of sacrificing innocent civilians by arming one side to the teeth which will eventually make no difference.

Agree.

There is zero chance the East , the land on the Black Sea coast will ever return under Ukrainian control. Russia has killed many thousands of Nazis, destroyed many bases and facilities all over the land, while sending the western economies into desperation.

The majority of western population dont want to suffer for Ukraine but the leaders dont care. Its time for Europeans to wake up, stand up against their aggressive governments and demand a peace deal.

But I think it may be little too late to stop the hemorrhaging. BRICS met and will push towards a new world's reserve currency, made up of basket currencies I would assume, the Ruble being one of them. This will kill off the petroldollar as the global reserve currency, meaning the good guys, the wealth of the US and its allies will decline in a rapid manner. When the white Europeans go hungry, they turn to violence as we have seen throughout history.

By 2030 life will be very different in US and Europe.

 

[Technics 1210]

Agree.

There is zero chance the East , the land on the Black Sea coast will ever return under Ukrainian control. Russia has killed many thousands of Nazis, destroyed many bases and facilities all over the land, while sending the western economies into desperation.

The majority of western population dont want to suffer for Ukraine but the leaders dont care. Its time for Europeans to wake up, stand up against their aggressive governments and demand a peace deal.

But I think it may be little too late to stop the hemorrhaging. BRICS met and will push towards a new world's reserve currency, made up of basket currencies I would assume, the Ruble being one of them. This will kill off the petroldollar as the global reserve currency, meaning the good guys, the wealth of the US and its allies will decline in a rapid manner. When the white Europeans go hungry, they turn to violence as we have seen throughout history.

By 2030 life will be very different in US and Europe.

BRICS alliance is a Bata Chapal across the face of the West, and with Iran applying for membership, it will bring an entire new meaning to yorked.

 

[bones]

So they are either completly useless at aiming... their weapons are not precision (so shouldn't be hitting anything in a civilian area) or it was deliberate?

yesterday you said Ukraine were hiding military gear in the centre?

which is it?

You're not a very good reader are you. I said yesterday that earlier in the invasion we saw drone footage of Ukrainian forces using a shopping centre in Kiev to store artillery and ammunition and therefore I was scepticle about the claims Russia were targeting civilians.

I was right to be scepticle because I have now shown you that the Russians hit the target, the target was the factory/warehouse that sat between the park and the shopping centre. That shopping centre was probably hit by an inaccurate/faulty missile.

The Russians can target civilian infrastructure any time they want, they have no shortage of missiles. But they are not, despite what you keep spewing out like your MSM sources.

 

[KingKhanWC]

BRICS alliance is a Bata Chapal across the face of the West, and with Iran applying for membership, it will bring an entire new meaning to yorked.

Also remember OPEC+ includes Russia.

Biden is on his way to Saudi soon. The same bloke who was calling the Saudi ruler a murderer will now go begging for more oil production. Saudis imo are changing guard, they realise the west is in decline so will look for a way to stop being puppets.

The global changes occuring are on a historical level but the MSM will keep the western public entertained with Jubliee, celeb trails and keeping them in fear with prices.

 

[Technics 1210]

Also remember OPEC+ includes Russia.

Biden is on his way to Saudi soon. The same bloke who was calling the Saudi ruler a murderer will now go begging for more oil production. Saudis imo are changing guard, they realise the west is in decline so will look for a way to stop being puppets.

The global changes occuring are on a historical level but the MSM will keep the western public entertained with Jubliee, celeb trails and keeping them in fear with prices.

Best case scenario for EU to be self sufficient on Oil and Gas is 3 years, and I mean best case short of the return of the Messiah.

THREE years. In this time, the cost of living will be into orbit, Right-wing fascism will be in fashion, EU political union destroyed (already seeing the gaping wide cracks), and austerity will be at next level, crime through the roof, unemployment at catastrophic levels, repossessions, families broke and displaced, placing Nazism in the love story category.

 

[mazkhan]

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

Currently they can easily pass undetected away from Estonian waters. But if Finland and Sweden join up the passage available to them will be too narrow for them to slither past undetected in any sort of dangerous numbers. Before their fleet is even past Estonia entire NATO will be aware and can pin them down before they get to free waters.

The russians can invest in the Arctic Fleet due to ice retreating there are passages developing in the Arctic for russia to exploit Northern Sea route

 

[Pakpak]

The russians can invest in the Arctic Fleet due to ice retreating there are passages developing in the Arctic for russia to exploit Northern Sea route

They don't have the money to upgrade their navy which is the weakest part of their armed forces and which is suffering since Soviet Union broke apart. Investing in artic is also pointless considering the distance and time it'll take them to reach Western Europe, that too only when the ice melts.

 

[silentkiller187]

NATO has confirmed that Sweden and Finland will be formally invited to join the military alliance as it announced a "new strategic concept".

It also warned Russia that it must "immediately" withdraw from Ukraine, condemning the conflict in the "strongest possible terms".

It added that Moscow's invasion of its neighbour "gravely undermines international security and stability" - and is a "blatant violation of international law".

"Ukraine can count on us for as long as it takes," Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said.

Ukraine's foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, said NATO had proved it could take "difficult but essential decisions".

Leaders from the 30 members have been meeting in Madrid to discuss the war, support for Kyiv, and how to combat Russian President Vladimir Putin.

In a lengthy declaration, they said: "Today, we have decided to invite Finland and Sweden to become members of NATO, and agreed to sign the accession protocols.

"We welcome the conclusion of the trilateral memorandum between Turkey, Finland, and Sweden to that effect.

"The accession of Finland and Sweden will make them safer, NATO stronger, and the Euro-Atlantic area more secure.

"The security of Finland and Sweden is of direct importance to the Alliance, including during the accession process."

A senior US official said Turkey, which had initially objected to the two countries joining, did not ask for anything as part of its acquiescence, Reuters reported.

NATO will 'defend every inch' of its territory

Setting out a blueprint for threats and challenges, NATO promised to "defend every inch" of its territory as it outlined a "deterrence and defence posture" based on a mix of "nuclear, conventional and missile defence capabilities".

Beyond Russia, its newly published Strategic Concept described China as a challenge to "our interests, security, and values", and said Beijing "strives to subvert the rules-based international order, including in the space, cyber and maritime domains".

Mr Stoltenberg said the new concept represented "fundamental shifts in our defence".

It is the "first time since the Cold War" that such plans have been in force, he added.

He also said allies had agreed to increase NATO's common funding.

Among the announcements are plans to:

• Strengthen forward defences
• Enhance presence on the eastern flank
• Increase the number of high-readiness forces to well over 300,000
• Boost ability to reinforce any ally
• Strengthen command and control

Ukrainian leader President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has hailed the summit as "crucial and groundbreaking" and said: "Today is really the beginning of a new history.

"In a time of (an) extremely aggressive Kremlin, the world needs an extremely bold alliance," he added.

But Mr Zelenskyy warned: "You are now adopting the strategy of the alliance - and this is first and foremost a strategy for the security of your societies, your states. Strategy for 10 years.

"A hundred and twenty-six days of full-scale invasion of Ukraine; cruise missiles, torture, children murdered, women raped… We do not have 10 years. Do you have them? Are you really sure about that?"

Zelenskyy warns Russia 'does not want to stop'

He went on: "While democracies were calling on the Russian leadership to have reason and morality, Russia was accumulating power and missiles. You, the democratic leaders, have urged it to respect international law, but tyrants understand force and force only."

Mr Zelenskyy said he looked forward to a common victory, but said other states could be fired on by Russia, and if that happened it would be "our common failure".

Speaking about Russian aggression, he went on: "It does not want to stop in Donbas or somewhere in the south of Ukraine. It wants to absorb city after city, all of us, and then all in Europe, whom the Russian leadership considers its property, not independent states. This is Russia's real goal.

"The question is - who is next for it? Moldova? Or the Baltic countries? Or Poland? The answer is - all of them."

SKY

 

[KingKhanWC]

300,000 seems Nato want a war with Russia. Which is very stupid of them.

Finland and Sweden Joining Nato means little, they are irrelevant nations in terms of war ability, adding nothing to Nato.

Boris contributed greatly to this summit, saying 'shall we take our clothes off'. No Russian should be afraid when the likes of Boris and Sleepy Joe are in charge.

 

[Reddy]

Russia’s Revenues From Gas Still High Despite Supply Cuts To Europe

Russia is earning more than $100 million every day from the gas it sells to Europe despite the slashed deliveries to major EU consumers in the past week.

“It’s shocking to see that, despite the 75% cut in daily supply by Gazprom to Europe, the daily receipts are still in line with where they were a year ago, and certainly higher than pre-Covid times,” Tom Marzec-Manser, head of gas analytics at ICIS, told Bloomberg.


https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-...Still-High-Despite-Supply-Cuts-To-Europe.html

 

[Robert]

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

Currently they can easily pass undetected away from Estonian waters. But if Finland and Sweden join up the passage available to them will be too narrow for them to slither past undetected in any sort of dangerous numbers. Before their fleet is even past Estonia entire NATO will be aware and can pin them down before they get to free waters.

TBH surface warships are sitting ducks in the Baltic anyway.

Their problem appears to be the island of Zealand where Copenhagen stand, at the meeting of North Sea and Baltic.

They could still deny NATO seaspace with their ultra-quiet diesel Kilo-class boats.

But their big naval base is Murmansk on the Arctic Sea - that’s where their SSNs and SSBNs deploy out of.

 

[Robert]

They don't have the money to upgrade their navy which is the weakest part of their armed forces and which is suffering since Soviet Union broke apart. Investing in artic is also pointless considering the distance and time it'll take them to reach Western Europe, that too only when the ice melts.

They have been rearming, but their ship balance seems wrong. Like that cruiser that was tooled up to the max, at the expense of a 360 radar that would have warned them of the incoming Ukrainian missiles.

 

[Technics 1210]

Russia’s Revenues From Gas Still High Despite Supply Cuts To Europe

Russia is earning more than $100 million every day from the gas it sells to Europe despite the slashed deliveries to major EU consumers in the past week.

“It’s shocking to see that, despite the 75% cut in daily supply by Gazprom to Europe, the daily receipts are still in line with where they were a year ago, and certainly higher than pre-Covid times,” Tom Marzec-Manser, head of gas analytics at ICIS, told Bloomberg.


https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-...Still-High-Despite-Supply-Cuts-To-Europe.html

Western losses $1trillion. Russia gains 1/2 of Ukraine and pays for the war in cash. Ruble up, BRICS stronger, west isolated, dollar weakened, Europe about to be failed states, NATO divided and irrelevant, Bojo to be replaced. Macron neutered, Germany in recession, the US going nowhere but down on every front. China unstoppable. Belt and road accelerating.

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[Robert]

USA says Putin wants to reconquer most of Ukraine, but it will take a long time due to the continual drain on manpower and equipment, the ferocity of the Ukrainian defenders and the exposed limitations of the Russian military.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61990495

 

[cpleigh]

Make no mistake, the West/NATO is a front for White Christians. This is precisely why NATO turned a blind eye to Bosnian Muslim Genocide in Europe, and have waged illegal wars on Brown Muslims in ME.

Cold. Hard. Fact.

Er.... it was NATO that went to war with Serbia to prevent the genocide... whilst your heroes in Moscow allowed it.

 

[cpleigh]

Russia has pulled out of Snake Island. Suprising. Allows Odessa to remain free and puts Sevastapol in range of Ukrainian fire

 

[cpleigh]

300,000 seems Nato want a war with Russia. Which is very stupid of them.

Finland and Sweden Joining Nato means little, they are irrelevant nations in terms of war ability, adding nothing to Nato.

Boris contributed greatly to this summit, saying 'shall we take our clothes off'. No Russian should be afraid when the likes of Boris and Sleepy Joe are in charge.

Finland has an army nearly the size of Russia. They've added nearly 1m troops to NATO.

 

[cpleigh]

Russia has pulled out of Snake Island. Suprising. Allows Odessa to remain free and puts Sevastapol in range of Ukrainian fire

Looks like Ukraine attacked it again last night. 1 ship, 1 plane destroyed and anti air craft system destroyed.

Probably the biggest victory for Ukraine that, after Kyiv of course, but this one is big for them. Its the first libertated victory

 

[Pakpak]

TBH surface warships are sitting ducks in the Baltic anyway.

Their problem appears to be the island of Zealand where Copenhagen stand, at the meeting of North Sea and Baltic.

They could still deny NATO seaspace with their ultra-quiet diesel Kilo-class boats.

But their big naval base is Murmansk on the Arctic Sea - that’s where their SSNs and SSBNs deploy out of.

Yes which as I said can easily be disrupted as its surrounded by Pine forests and only one road connects it to mainland Russia. They will have rethink how to secure their northern part near Finland

 

[mazkhan]

TBH surface warships are sitting ducks in the Baltic anyway.

Their problem appears to be the island of Zealand where Copenhagen stand, at the meeting of North Sea and Baltic.

They could still deny NATO seaspace with their ultra-quiet diesel Kilo-class boats.

But their big naval base is Murmansk on the Arctic Sea - that’s where their SSNs and SSBNs deploy out of.

The Northern Sea route they can access from Norway into the Atlantic and can cross into Asia Alaska and Canada that's why russia is building bases in the north

 

[mazkhan]

Snake Island is a huge embarasment ukraine is using cruise missile and anti ship missile from the mainland alongwith drones to attack yet the Russian airforce and navy are clueless to stop them if this was Israel or USA they would have located the ukranian positions on the mainland with their aircraft satellites and then done precision strikes and destroyed them just ask the Iraqis and iranians and Syrians who have met similar fate.

But russian military being a scrapyard force they don't have the abilities to fight modern style warfare.

 

[Technics 1210]

Er.... it was NATO that went to war with Serbia to prevent the genocide... whilst your heroes in Moscow allowed it.

To prevent Genocide? The genocide took place and NATO were late at the party!

And why would Moscow get involved? USSR was dissolved, as a result, Yugoslavia was broken into pieces, and in true Western style, sanctions were imposed on Yugoslavia!

 

[cpleigh]

To prevent Genocide? The genocide took place and NATO were late at the party!

And why would Moscow get involved? USSR was dissolved, as a result, Yugoslavia was broken into pieces, and in true Western style, sanctions were imposed on Yugoslavia!

Moscow was and still is Serbias main ally.

 

[Technics 1210]

Moscow was and still is Serbias main ally.

Are you feeling alright?

The West was jumping with joy when 'Russia's Economy, Military, Political systems collapsed with the dissolution of USSR. There was no way Moscow would engage in any war at the time in the early 90s.

 

[cpleigh]

Are you feeling alright?

The West was jumping with joy when 'Russia's Economy, Military, Political systems collapsed with the dissolution of USSR. There was no way Moscow would engage in any war at the time in the early 90s.

Apart from levelling Grozny.

 

[Technics 1210]

Apart from levelling Grozny.

Which was in LATE 90s! [99-00], not at the time USSR was dissolved nor early 90s!

 

[cpleigh]

Which was in LATE 90s! [99-00], not at the time USSR was dissolved nor early 90s!

It was 1994. The same time as the Balkans war.

You can't blame NATO for doing nothing, then when they do claim it proves they are an attacking force

 

[Technics 1210]

It was 1994. The same time as the Balkans war.

You can't blame NATO for doing nothing, then when they do claim it proves they are an attacking force

NATO will only take action when it benefits them. Why didn't NATO negotiate or communicate with Russia when Putin raised concerns over Ukraine? NATO wants to go to war!

Afghanistan war. Afghanistan did not attack USA on 9/11, but NATO went to war in Afghanistan for 20 years. Why?

 

[mazkhan]

There's no point cheerleading anyone as a Muslim since both the west and Russia have a brutal and repressive history against Islam and Muslims and colonisation

 

[cpleigh]

NATO will only take action when it benefits them. Why didn't NATO negotiate or communicate with Russia when Putin raised concerns over Ukraine? NATO wants to go to war!

Afghanistan war. Afghanistan did not attack USA on 9/11, but NATO went to war in Afghanistan for 20 years. Why?

Negotiate what? Ukraine had been refused NATO membership, and had been told it had no chance of joining unless it solved major issues.

Ukraine has never been about NATO.

Afghanistan harbored and allowed training of the people who attacked America.

 

[Technics 1210]

Negotiate what? Ukraine had been refused NATO membership, and had been told it had no chance of joining unless it solved major issues.

Ukraine has never been about NATO.

Afghanistan harbored and allowed training of the people who attacked America.

Ukraine was always about NATO, check out 1997 NATO accord. Do not forget the West instilled a puppet government through regime change in Ukraine too, that’s when the real issue started. NATO loves war!

So Afghanistan trained terrorists, well so did N.Ireland, IRA. Why not bomb Northern Ireland? Ahh yes, white and Christians.

 

[cpleigh]

Ukraine was always about NATO, check out 1997 NATO accord. Do not forget the West instilled a puppet government through regime change in Ukraine too, that’s when the real issue started. NATO loves war!

So Afghanistan trained terrorists, well so did N.Ireland, IRA. Why not bomb Northern Ireland? Ahh yes, white and Christians.

er... we did have a large military presecene in NI, plus the IRA didn't attack other nations did they?

what has the 1997 accord got to do with it? NATO didn't prmoise Russia Ukraine couldn't join.

Like talking to a brick wall... the regime change was a movement by the people against their own gov

 

[Technics 1210]

er... we did have a large military presecene in NI, plus the IRA didn't attack other nations did they?

what has the 1997 accord got to do with it? NATO didn't prmoise Russia Ukraine couldn't join.

Like talking to a brick wall... the regime change was a movement by the people against their own gov

Oh man, IRA did attack another country, England! IRA killed more civilians than any Islamist group ever did in England. Yes England is another country, but hey, White and Christian, so within the family.

No point discussing dates and agreements with you, you are learning on the job.

And stop pretending the West has never engaged nor funded regime change.

Laters!

 

[Robert]

There's no point cheerleading anyone as a Muslim since both the west and Russia have a brutal and repressive history against Islam and Muslims and colonisation

An enlightening point!

Also China at present.

Of course the Caliphates were no better in their time of power, taking tens of millions of Europeans as slaves, including Britons. For example, 6000 Cornish people were stolen by the Barbary Corsairs, until President Jefferson sank their ships and sacked their ports.

 

[Robert]

er... we did have a large military presecene in NI, plus the IRA didn't attack other nations did they?

what has the 1997 accord got to do with it? NATO didn't prmoise Russia Ukraine couldn't join.

Like talking to a brick wall... the regime change was a movement by the people against their own gov

Also NI was and is part of UK. One is not going to bomb one’s own citizens, unless one is named Yeltsin or Putin.

Remember that the troops went in to protect the Catholics who were protesting for their civil rights after decades of discrimination.

But then Bloody Sunday happened up in Derry, and Internment began, and recruitment to the Provos doubled instantly, with 25 years of horror in the wake.

I rate the GFA as the very best thing that happened in UK in my lifetime. Peace between factions I thought were anathema to each other. And the Dail Eireann giving up its claim on the Six Counties.

A political miracle, really.

 

[Technics 1210]

If Muslims should not be cheerleading for a side, then neither should peace loving Westerners who claim to promote peace and prosperity by selling arms, funding wars etc.

And no, IRA did bomb its own 'UK' citizens, so the IRA should've been bombed and reduced to rubble if we are to follow the logic of NATO, but no, the UK PM decided to negotiate with IRA terrorists.

 

[the Great Khan]

With respect, I think you are wrong here. China is the coming power and already in position to dominate many African, Asian and South American nations economically. In time they will swallow South Asia too. The way for the long term survival of the Western democracies (including Australia and NZ) is stay in a big economic and military bloc.

With all due respect my friend but the Chinese model is completely different to the European colonial model that still persists. China has looked at the numbers and if it can uplift its people and help Asia and Africa uplift theirs they will have first refusal on all those emerging markets thus keeping a firm but relatively fair hand of control on trade..

The Europeans can either realise this quickly or return to the days of poverty strife and inequality. The US is also under threat due to its own internal problems. In the next century we could see the breaking up of the US into factions..nothing can stop the rise of Asia. The odd regime change or war here and there can slow it down but that's it. A military response will also soon be irrelevant.

As for China taking over south Asia.. we'll again the model is different. You need to put down your colonial lenses and start seeing things from a different perspective.. the world is changing fast and it seems only a few countries in Europe can see it..

 

[the Great Khan]

An enlightening point!

Also China at present.

Of course the Caliphates were no better in their time of power, taking tens of millions of Europeans as slaves, including Britons. For example, 6000 Cornish people were stolen by the Barbary Corsairs, until President Jefferson sank their ships and sacked their ports.

The italians were the biggest slave traders in the Middle East.. their slaves became Mamelukes and then rulers..the slave trade was abhorrent and nobody comes out clean but the Europeans took it it to industrial heights. There is no comparison.

As for the caliphate.s. they were products of a time. And in that paradigm and time they were far ahead of any nation perhaps barring China.. you cant measure them with today's lense.

As for the Americans. They revolutionised the slave trade..name me a slave who became a president. Or general. It was not unusual for ghulams to rule in Asia.. from China to Spain. But the Americans showed a unique kind of brutality coupled with white supremacy and theories of genetic superiority..

But I digress and this is not the place for this discussion.

With regards to Putin and this war..this isn't our fight..thisnis a European quarrel and the rest of the world wants no part..but once again your wars kill our children even though we have nothing to do with it..this insidious system needs changing and the majority if the world needs freedom from the bonds of slavery from their colonial masters.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Finland has an army nearly the size of Russia. They've added nearly 1m troops to NATO.

You have a great sense of humour.

Russia has 180 million people with a huge force and you're comparing it to Finland?

Did you read Putin's response to your PM Boris?

Putin told reporters: “I just want to recall the events of recent history, when Margaret Thatcher decided to launch military operations against Argentina for the Falkland Islands. So, a woman took the decision to launch military action.

“Therefore it's not an entirely accurate reference from the British prime minister to what is happening today.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-johnson-ukraine-invasion-woman-b2112803.html

Brits have no credibility, they supported their nation flying over to the Falklands to go war, because Brits colonised the island thousands of miles away. But you're upset with Russia for helping/invading when after 7 years of attacks against Russian speakers , their historic Russian land , next to their border?

 

[cpleigh]

Drivel of a rant that. What's the Falklands got to do with anything? BTW the Falklands have never belonged to Argentina.

3 times britain has offered to take it to the world court each time declined by Argentina. The people all want to be part of the uk.

So a foreign hostile army invaded. The uk had to defend its land. The only aggressor there was argentina.

What has Russian speaking got to do with anything???

 

[KingKhanWC]

Drivel of a rant that. What's the Falklands got to do with anything? BTW the Falklands have never belonged to Argentina.

3 times britain has offered to take it to the world court each time declined by Argentina. The people all want to be part of the uk.

So a foreign hostile army invaded. The uk had to defend its land. The only aggressor there was argentina.

What has Russian speaking got to do with anything???

lol.

Your history has been dodgy so Im hoping your geography is better. Do you realise how far the Falklands islands are from UK and how far from Argentina? The people of the Eastern Ukraine want to be part or Russia or be independent. Russia was part of the Minsk agreements but Nato wanted no peace but a proxy war.

Its no suprise a patriotic Brit will rabidly supporting invading, occupying and going to war for a far away island due to colonialism but wont support a people being bombed for 7 years who want help from their neighbour and who has deep historic roots with.

You support colonial aggression but not defence. Brits like you have no credibility. .

 

[cpleigh]

Firstly.... it doesn't matter how far away it is. The islands belong to the uk. Never Argentina. So no, I'm not wrong or have dodgy history.

Now if the Falklands wanted independence and we then sent troops in... that's different. But that didn't happen.

Secondly... u have absolutely no idea if Eastern Ukraine want to be part of Russia or not. I'm guessing not as they had the chance in 2014 but resisted and drove Russia out.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Firstly.... it doesn't matter how far away it is. The islands belong to the uk. Never Argentina. So no, I'm not wrong or have dodgy history.

Now if the Falklands wanted independence and we then sent troops in... that's different. But that didn't happen.

Secondly... u have absolutely no idea if Eastern Ukraine want to be part of Russia or not. I'm guessing not as they had the chance in 2014 but resisted and drove Russia out.

Islands were occupied by white Brits from far away lands. If Russia went and occupied any small island off the coast of Uk, you'd be in tears.

Perhaps you missed, Eastern Ukraine have declared independence and want to be part of some Russian union.

Your guess is foolish, they were resisting Ukranian Nazis not Russians lol.

Supporting occupation in far away lands but not defence of people being bombarded by Nazis. Typical western colonial views.

 

[Robert]

The italians were the biggest slave traders in the Middle East.. their slaves became Mamelukes and then rulers..the slave trade was abhorrent and nobody comes out clean but the Europeans took it it to industrial heights. There is no comparison.

As for the caliphate.s. they were products of a time. And in that paradigm and time they were far ahead of any nation perhaps barring China.. you cant measure them with today's lense.

As for the Americans. They revolutionised the slave trade..name me a slave who became a president. Or general. It was not unusual for ghulams to rule in Asia.. from China to Spain. But the Americans showed a unique kind of brutality coupled with white supremacy and theories of genetic superiority..

But I digress and this is not the place for this discussion.

With regards to Putin and this war..this isn't our fight..thisnis a European quarrel and the rest of the world wants no part..but once again your wars kill our children even though we have nothing to do with it..this insidious system needs changing and the majority if the world needs freedom from the bonds of slavery from their colonial masters.

The Arab Slave Trade overlapped the Atlantic Passage in terms of duration at both ends, and took more slaves too.

Descendants of American slaves became City Mayors, Senators, Congressmen and Supreme Court judges, if not POTUS. Obama is son of a black Kenyan.

It’s sad and strange to me that you somehow feel outside or above Britishness. But the Muslims of HM Armed Forces, plus other races and religions will fight to protect you, if we are invaded. We Britons who value our Britishness safeguard the sidelines you stand on.

 

[Robert]

Drivel of a rant that. What's the Falklands got to do with anything? BTW the Falklands have never belonged to Argentina.

3 times britain has offered to take it to the world court each time declined by Argentina. The people all want to be part of the uk.

So a foreign hostile army invaded. The uk had to defend its land. The only aggressor there was argentina.

What has Russian speaking got to do with anything???

The truly sad this about the Falklands is that, had Galtieri not invaded, a joint ownership / citizenship would have been done decades ago.

 

[Technics 1210]

Came across a great headline :

NATO has completed its post-Cold War transformation from Europe's guard dog into America's attack dog!

So true! )

 

[Technics 1210]

lol.

Your history has been dodgy so Im hoping your geography is better. Do you realise how far the Falklands islands are from UK and how far from Argentina? The people of the Eastern Ukraine want to be part or Russia or be independent. Russia was part of the Minsk agreements but Nato wanted no peace but a proxy war.

Its no suprise a patriotic Brit will rabidly supporting invading, occupying and going to war for a far away island due to colonialism but wont support a people being bombed for 7 years who want help from their neighbour and who has deep historic roots with.

You support colonial aggression but not defence. Brits like you have no credibility. .

I would not bother mentioning the Minsk agreement, or Eastern Ukraine want to be part of Russia, or the rise of Nazism in Ukraine, as NATO warriors will ignore the facts, ignore their beliefs, ignore their hypocrisy - only to pay homage to their warmongering masters in the Whitehouse. Oh. The. Irony. White-house.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I would not bother mentioning the Minsk agreement, or Eastern Ukraine want to be part of Russia, or the rise of Nazism in Ukraine, as NATO warriors will ignore the facts, ignore their beliefs, ignore their hypocrisy - only to pay homage to their warmongering masters in the Whitehouse. Oh. The. Irony. White-house.

Putins arguments are so strong and intelligent those who support Nato warmongers or Imperialism in their own nation have no leg to stand on. Im not referring to any posters on here but some are sure their nations have no bad history, done no wrong and are doing the right thing in Ukraine, I would say they are suffering from mental health issues.

 

[Technics 1210]

Putins arguments are so strong and intelligent those who support Nato warmongers or Imperialism in their own nation have no leg to stand on. Im not referring to any posters on here but some are sure their nations have no bad history, done no wrong and are doing the right thing in Ukraine, I would say they are suffering from mental health issues.

Indeed, Putin's BRICS initiative is gaining traction from the East, ME, and South America. Many nations outside of the West are sick and tired of Uncle Sam and USD dominance and bullying, and I can bet you this also includes European countries too.

UK on the other hand, pot less Island, still banking on the 'special relationship' - when will Brits wake up and realise Amreeka has done more harm to the UK than any other country post WW2? Amreeka banking system collapsed, UK paid the price too. Amreeka waged an illegal war in Iraq, and dragged UK along (same with other wars), Amreeka's policies vs. Ukraine is costing UK in terms of cost of living, UK's dependencies on Amreekan warheads means UK has no sovereignty in the event of an attack. List goes on and on . . . .

UK would be in a much better position had it negotiated peace with Russia, but no, Uncle Sam forbade the UK. Lapdog - woof woof.

 

[James]

Indonesia's president says he's delivered a message to Russia's Vladimir Putin from Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky. Joko Widodo tells reporters after meeting Putin in Moscow that he wants to help start communication between the two leaders.

Meanwhile, UK PM Boris Johnson commits to raise defence spending to 2.5% of GDP by the end of the decade. Nato members have also agreed a significant increase in funding for the alliance, on the second day of its Madrid summit. Sweden and Finland will sign the protocol to join Nato on Tuesday, though member states will then need to ratify it.

 

[cpleigh]

Islands were occupied by white Brits from far away lands. If Russia went and occupied any small island off the coast of Uk, you'd be in tears.

Perhaps you missed, Eastern Ukraine have declared independence and want to be part of some Russian union.

Your guess is foolish, they were resisting Ukranian Nazis not Russians lol.

Supporting occupation in far away lands but not defence of people being bombarded by Nazis. Typical western colonial views.

Russia has occupied and continues lots of places that aren't theirs. Kural islands to name one.

Let me explain to you.... russia invaded Crimea. Then pro Russian factions kicked off and were backed by Russia. They soon expanded to the entire Luhansk and Donestk area. They couldn't hold that as that had very little support, and were defeated.

The reason why Russia flattened Mariuopl is because they resisted Russia and it was revenge. Then the pro Russian factions settled in the tiny so called Republics... where thousands of people fled to Western Ukraine or the EU.

Really sounds like they wanted 'liberating'

 

[Robert]

Indonesia's president says he's delivered a message to Russia's Vladimir Putin from Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky. Joko Widodo tells reporters after meeting Putin in Moscow that he wants to help start communication between the two leaders.

Meanwhile, UK PM Boris Johnson commits to raise defence spending to 2.5% of GDP by the end of the decade. Nato members have also agreed a significant increase in funding for the alliance, on the second day of its Madrid summit. Sweden and Finland will sign the protocol to join Nato on Tuesday, though member states will then need to ratify it.

I wonder where the UK 0.5% increase will go.

Hopefully more F-35 jets for the RAF and RN, and lots more infantry to re-open the list battalions. We are arguably ok for ships.

 

[Technics 1210]

Crimea held a status referendum in 2014, they voted Russia.

Waiting for NATO supporters to claim the referendum was rigged, (only because the result didn't go the way Liberals expected).

 

[cpleigh]

Crimea held a status referendum in 2014, they voted Russia.

Waiting for NATO supporters to claim the referendum was rigged, (only because the result didn't go the way Liberals expected).

They didn't. They had 2 choices

A: Russia
B: Return to the 1992 state, which was free of Ukraine.

Both choices meant Russia. Now i actually dont really have an issue with Crimea being Russian, i'd always class it as part of Russia historically, but it could have been done diplomaticaly

 

[KingKhanWC]

Russia has occupied and continues lots of places that aren't theirs. Kural islands to name one.

Let me explain to you.... russia invaded Crimea. Then pro Russian factions kicked off and were backed by Russia. They soon expanded to the entire Luhansk and Donestk area. They couldn't hold that as that had very little support, and were defeated.

The reason why Russia flattened Mariuopl is because they resisted Russia and it was revenge. Then the pro Russian factions settled in the tiny so called Republics... where thousands of people fled to Western Ukraine or the EU.

Really sounds like they wanted 'liberating'

Crimean's overwhelmingly supported uniting with Russia so do almost all in the East. Earlier in this thread there a map posted to prove this.

Yes the Nazis in Mariupol resisted but were sent to hell, mainly by the Chechens. Some of course took civilians and hid in the steelworks until they surrendered. Btw bodies of Americans were found in the steelworks.

You've not explained why you agree with the Falklands war where Brits travel thousands of miles to colonise , occupy and then go to war . But are against Russians defence of people bombed for 7 years by Nazis.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Indeed, Putin's BRICS initiative is gaining traction from the East, ME, and South America. Many nations outside of the West are sick and tired of Uncle Sam and USD dominance and bullying, and I can bet you this also includes European countries too.

UK on the other hand, pot less Island, still banking on the 'special relationship' - when will Brits wake up and realise Amreeka has done more harm to the UK than any other country post WW2? Amreeka banking system collapsed, UK paid the price too. Amreeka waged an illegal war in Iraq, and dragged UK along (same with other wars), Amreeka's policies vs. Ukraine is costing UK in terms of cost of living, UK's dependencies on Amreekan warheads means UK has no sovereignty in the event of an attack. List goes on and on . . . .

UK would be in a much better position had it negotiated peace with Russia, but no, Uncle Sam forbade the UK. Lapdog - woof woof.

Sadly there is a lot of ignorance and indoctrination with citizens of the UK.

A bit of common sense and education on history would show them the UK has NOTHING much in terms of natural resources. All wealth is due to conquest, imperialism and looting nations. Such a nation should clam down and make relations with others because when the money runs out, the dark ages will return.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Indonesia's president says he's delivered a message to Russia's Vladimir Putin from Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky. Joko Widodo tells reporters after meeting Putin in Moscow that he wants to help start communication between the two leaders.

Meanwhile, UK PM Boris Johnson commits to raise defence spending to 2.5% of GDP by the end of the decade. Nato members have also agreed a significant increase in funding for the alliance, on the second day of its Madrid summit. Sweden and Finland will sign the protocol to join Nato on Tuesday, though member states will then need to ratify it.

By 2030 UK will be broke, poverty will be huge, violence and disorder will be common. Feel free to bump this up.

Brits should be fooled by the clowns in power. Boris built a £9 million bunker back in early 2021, this conflict was planned by Nato and its ladpdogs. Nato leader yesterday admitted as much.

 

[Reddy]

Russia has captured Lisichansk oil refinery, they may conquer entire Lisichansk within a week.

 

[Technics 1210]

Indonesia's president says he's delivered a message to Russia's Vladimir Putin from Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky. Joko Widodo tells reporters after meeting Putin in Moscow that he wants to help start communication between the two leaders.

Meanwhile, UK PM Boris Johnson commits to raise defence spending to 2.5% of GDP by the end of the decade. Nato members have also agreed a significant increase in funding for the alliance, on the second day of its Madrid summit. Sweden and Finland will sign the protocol to join Nato on Tuesday, though member states will then need to ratify it.

So the UK government doesn't have money to address the cost of living crisis, but has just handed Ukraine £1Billion of taxpayer's money to Ukraine to fight a war.

Priorities priorities.

 

[Technics 1210]

Sadly there is a lot of ignorance and indoctrination with citizens of the UK.

A bit of common sense and education on history would show them the UK has NOTHING much in terms of natural resources. All wealth is due to conquest, imperialism and looting nations. Such a nation should clam down and make relations with others because when the money runs out, the dark ages will return.

The money has run out; the UK government is insolvent. If the UK were a business it would've been declared bankrupt ages ago.

When the looting stops, the shooting starts.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So the UK government doesn't have money to address the cost of living crisis, but has just handed Ukraine £1Billion of taxpayer's money to Ukraine to fight a war.

Priorities priorities.

Defence spending has also increased to 2.5% GDP.

They have money for wars but none to feed the poor - 2Pac.

 

[Technics 1210]

Defence spending has also increased to 2.5% GDP.

They have money for wars but none to feed the poor - 2Pac.

Correct. Though I don't see a single liberal complaining.

 

[Junaids]

The pro-Russians on this thread seem to have a strange relationship to Colonialism.

They view 'the West' as the colonial oppressors who exploited what is now Pakistan (and India), and they view Russia as some sort of heroic anti-Colonial liberator.

What they don't understand is that while the British and French and Austrians gave up their Empires, Russia has kept most of theirs.

75% of the surface area of Russia in 2022 is in Asia. This is what is left of their former colonies but actually Vladivostok on the Pacific Ocean is historically no more Russian than Harbin in China, or Dalian in China, which used to be the Russian city of Dalniy. Similarly Chinese Lushunku used to be the Russian city of Port Arthur.

Russia's abominable colonialist behaviour persists.

80% of Russian soldiers deployed to Ukraine have been Asian, even though 75% of Russians are European.

As always, the casualties are almost all non-white Russians.

Of the Russian bodies identified by the Ukrainians, almost half are ethnically Oriental in race.

And of the Russian bodies identified by religion, almost 40% are Muslim, even though only 6.5% of Russians are Muslim.

So to sum up, Russia is the the last European power to retain the majority of its 19th century Asian Empire.

And Russia continues to send Asian and Muslim Russian subjects to their deaths in huge numbers to spare white, European Russians from having to go to the battlefront.

And yet the anti-Colonialists on this thread side with the Russians!

 

[cpleigh]

The money has run out; the UK government is insolvent. If the UK were a business it would've been declared bankrupt ages ago.

When the looting stops, the shooting starts.

Clearly and completely untrue that

 

[Robert]

The pro-Russians on this thread seem to have a strange relationship to Colonialism.

They view 'the West' as the colonial oppressors who exploited what is now Pakistan (and India), and they view Russia as some sort of heroic anti-Colonial liberator.

What they don't understand is that while the British and French and Austrians gave up their Empires, Russia has kept most of theirs.

75% of the surface area of Russia in 2022 is in Asia. This is what is left of their former colonies but actually Vladivostok on the Pacific Ocean is historically no more Russian than Harbin in China, or Dalian in China, which used to be the Russian city of Dalniy. Similarly Chinese Lushunku used to be the Russian city of Port Arthur.

Russia's abominable colonialist behaviour persists.

80% of Russian soldiers deployed to Ukraine have been Asian, even though 75% of Russians are European.

As always, the casualties are almost all non-white Russians.

Of the Russian bodies identified by the Ukrainians, almost half are ethnically Oriental in race.

And of the Russian bodies identified by religion, almost 40% are Muslim, even though only 6.5% of Russians are Muslim.

So to sum up, Russia is the the last European power to retain the majority of its 19th century Asian Empire.

And Russia continues to send Asian and Muslim Russian subjects to their deaths in huge numbers to spare white, European Russians from having to go to the battlefront.

And yet the anti-Colonialists on this thread side with the Russians!

It’s digital thinking. They only have two mental boxes to put their ideas in. Strongly religious people tend to think this way. They have little capacity for self-reflection.

They hate the West because it has killed Muslims in wars, so they put the West in the ‘bad’ box (while continuing to live in it, enjoying the economic advantages and legal protections conveyed by liberalism, ultimately safeguarded for them by NATO troops).

But Putin hates the West, so they put Putin in the ‘good’ box. Never mind how many Muslims he murdered in Chechnya and Syria. No matter how many Muslims he sends into the Donbas meat-grinder to spare white Christian Orthodox Russian lives. All that is ignored or forgiven.

Never mind how, if they behaved the way they do on line in Russia, they would be disappeared off the street and never seen again by their families.

 

[daytrader]

Russian forces withdraw from Snake Island

Russian President Vladimir Putin has responded to NATO’s forthcoming expansion, saying he has no problem with Sweden and Finland joining the military alliance, but that if infrastructure is deployed to those countries, Russia will respond in kind.

Putin’s comments come after the Western military organization officially invited Sweden and Finland to join it in a historic move on Wednesday. That was made possible after a deal was forged with Turkey to accept the membership bids after initial objections from Ankara.

The alliance also reiterated its condemnation of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, outlined plans to beef up its defenses in Europe and said China posed a “challenge” to its interests.

Speaking at the NATO summit in Madrid, U.S. President Joe Biden said Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has made the alliance stronger. He added that the U.S. plans to send another $800 million in military assistance to Ukraine.

NATO’s Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg announced earlier in the week that the Western military organization would increase the number of troops within its rapid response force — which comprises land, air, sea and special forces units that are capable of being deployed quickly — to 300,000 from about 40,000 personnel.

Meanwhile, the battle for the Donbas rages in Ukraine, with the city of Lysychansk, a twin city to the captured city of Severodonetsk, under constant shelling as Russian forces try to grind down Kyiv’s forces.

CNBC

 

[bones]

Sanke Island is very interesting. The Russians have retreated from there because of the bombardment by the AFU, there really is nowhere to hide. No trees, too small for tunnels and frankly it's just a rock in the middle of the sea.

I understand it provides huge value in peacetime because it can be used as a radar deployment position. But in war whoever is on the island will be in the single most dangerous place on earth.

I think what will happen now is that neither side will occupy it, it's suicide. But the Ukranians might try to send a small number of forces try to land and plant a flag for a media/PR win and then quickly evacuate. But even that would be a crazy mission to pursue. The reason why the Ukranians and the west need some sort of PR victory is because of the pace of the Russian advances in Lisichansk in the last few days.

 

[mazkhan]

Bones mate it's simple if the russians had the capabilities like usaf

What they would do is trace ukranian positions on the mainland

First thing they would do is suppress enemy Air defences their radars with electronic warfare aircraft jamming aircraft and destroy the air defences radqrs through anti radiation missiles loitering munitions and standoff precision guided missiles.

They would then send their drones and aircraft to take out the anti ship and cruise missile batteries and howitzers or send in an ac_130 or a10 attack aircraft and reign hell.

But the russkies can't do that hence why his war is dragging on .

 

[Technics 1210]

Clearly and completely untrue that

You really have no idea do you?

The UK’s tax receipts fall short of UK’s debt obligations (expenses are more than liabilities), which is why the UK has to borrow money every month known as deficit spending.

This is why the UK debt (different to deficit) has increased beyond £2TRILLION, and continues to rise. Interest payment alone is close to £100 BILLION a year, and this doesn’t cover liabilities such as state pensions, NHS funding etc. Hence why BoE is reluctant to raise interest rates, not only will the common man drown in debt, so too the UK government.

Go call your bank/money lenders, tell them you don’t have enough money to pay your debts and want to borrow more because you do not earn enough to meet your debt obligations; you will be declared insolvent/bankrupt.

But hey, UK still borrows more to pay those Nazi Ukrainian fighters which you call patriots, instead of feeding the poor Brits.

 

[Technics 1210]

Liberals and NATO warmongering apologists really need to take their rainbow tinted glasses off.

If these folk think supporting Putin is about Muslims/Islam, then there’s no helping them. This is all about Western FOREIGN policy and exposing the daylight hypocrisy of Western bullying, Liberalism, Ignorance, and MSM.

There’s no point in debating with liberals especially if they believe Boris is being funded by Putin’s oligarchs.

 

[bones]

Bones mate it's simple if the russians had the capabilities like usaf

But the russkies can't do that hence why his war is dragging on .

The war is dragging on? It's been 4 months, nothing like the mighty NATO and USAF in Afghanistan who were there for 20 years and achieved nothing. As a former US General said, no matter how the Biden administration paints it, leave Afghanistan in the manner it did was a humiliation.

The Russians and the Americans have a different military school of thinking. The Americans base it on their airforce, the Russians base theirs on massive ground artillery. Both of them on their own are not enough, you need to still have well trained infantry to mop up.

The Americans dare not send their air force up against Russian SAMs such as S300s, S400s and now even S500s, they'd be easy targets.

 

[cpleigh]

You really have no idea do you?

The UK’s tax receipts fall short of UK’s debt obligations (expenses are more than liabilities), which is why the UK has to borrow money every month known as deficit spending.

This is why the UK debt (different to deficit) has increased beyond £2TRILLION, and continues to rise. Interest payment alone is close to £100 BILLION a year, and this doesn’t cover liabilities such as state pensions, NHS funding etc. Hence why BoE is reluctant to raise interest rates, not only will the common man drown in debt, so too the UK government.

Go call your bank/money lenders, tell them you don’t have enough money to pay your debts and want to borrow more because you do not earn enough to meet your debt obligations; you will be declared insolvent/bankrupt.

But hey, UK still borrows more to pay those Nazi Ukrainian fighters which you call patriots, instead of feeding the poor Brits.

The UK's debt payment is less than 5% of its GDP. Its absolutely nowhere near insolvent.

If i call my bank today and ask for a loan... and they see that i only shell out 5% of my salary on other debts.... i'll get a loan. No question.

the UK economoy is worth 3 trillion pounds and its debt stands at 2.3b.

with nearly 70% of that to the bank of England.... who are owned by the UK gov. They are in debt to themselves mainly.

The uk going bust is a fantasy to you... not a reality

 

[mazkhan]

Bones on the battlefield the usa destroyed the taliban , iraqi and later al queda and isis in Iraq and Syria toe to toe.

What your on about is an insurgency which is totally different that's not an army vs army that's small groups of individuals carrying out ied attacks suicide bomb attacks , gun attacks assassinations kidnappings etc .

So stop your nonsense the usa rolled into iraq on the highway and they were unstoppable because they had aircover the Iraqis would never engage in open battle because an apache or a10 would appear .

 

[cpleigh]

The war is dragging on? It's been 4 months, nothing like the mighty NATO and USAF in Afghanistan who were there for 20 years and achieved nothing. As a former US General said, no matter how the Biden administration paints it, leave Afghanistan in the manner it did was a humiliation.

The Russians and the Americans have a different military school of thinking. The Americans base it on their airforce, the Russians base theirs on massive ground artillery. Both of them on their own are not enough, you need to still have well trained infantry to mop up.

The Americans dare not send their air force up against Russian SAMs such as S300s, S400s and now even S500s, they'd be easy targets.

ha ha ha ha ha in Syria the S300 couldn't detect the F-35. It was useless. The S400 & s500 hav 1 fatal flaw... they struggle to see anything under 38,000 ft.

They are not designed to take out IBM's