Russia invades Ukraine

[Robert]

They will capture a lot of territory once the fortifications in the Donbas are destroyed along with the armies defending them. Notice that tune of the western media has changed. It’s dawning on them they lied like crazy for months and now they will have to tell the people the truth.

So you accept that this is a land-grab, a war of conquest.

 

[bones]

So you accept that this is a land-grab, a war of conquest.

It was only going to be for Crimea & Donbas initially. But with the stupidity of the collective west over the last few months, it will expand and yes it does meet the land grab definition.

 

[MenInG]

Russia said on Friday it was ready to discuss a prisoner swap with Washington at the presidential level, a day after the drug conviction of US basketball star Brittney Griner.

Despite tensions soaring between Russia and the US since the launch of Moscow's military intervention in Ukraine, the former Cold War rivals appeared to be edging closer to a new prisoner exchange.

The White House has urged Russia to accept its offer of a deal for the release of Griner and former US Marine Paul Whelan, who was sentenced to 16 years in prison on espionage charges.

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Friday said Russia was willing to discuss the matter.

“We are ready to discuss this subject, but only within the framework of the (communication) channel established by presidents Putin and Biden,” Lavrov told a press conference on a visit to Cambodia.

“There is a special channel established by the presidents and despite certain public declarations, it is still functional,” he added.

WNBA player Griner was on Thursday sentenced to nine years in a Russian penal colony and ordered to pay a fine of one million rubles ($16,590) for possessing and smuggling narcotics.

The two-time Olympic basketball gold medallist and Women's NBA champion was detained at a Moscow airport in February after she was found carrying vape cartridges with cannabis oil in her luggage.

The Phoenix Mercury player was coming to Russia to play club basketball with UMMC Ekaterinburg during the US off-season — a common path for American stars seeking additional income.

Griner pleaded guilty to the charges, but said she did not intend to break the law or use the banned substance in Russia.

'Honest mistake'
“I want the court to understand it was an honest mistake that I made while rushing, under stress, trying to recover from post-Covid and just trying to get back to my team,” Griner said in her final statement before the verdict.

Griner had testified that she had permission from a US doctor to use medicinal cannabis to relieve pain from her many injuries, and had never failed a drug test.

The use of medical marijuana is not allowed in Russia.

Griner's legal team said they plan to appeal the “unreasonable” verdict.

US President Joe Biden called Griner's conviction “unacceptable” and said Washington would “work tirelessly” to secure her release.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said last week that Washington had made a “substantial proposal” to Moscow to free Griner and Whelan.

A prisoner swap was discussed during a call between Blinken and Lavrov last Friday.

The highest-profile Russian prisoner in the United States is Victor Bout, a 55-year-old arms trafficker, dubbed the “Merchant of Death”, who is serving 25 years in jail.

There is no official confirmation that Washington has offered to exchange him.

Bout's wife Alla on Friday expressed her sympathies to Griner's family, saying she hoped her husband and the US athlete will be able to return home.

“Sympathy has no citizenship and nationality, it is a universal human emotion,” she told Russian news agency RIA Novosti, expressing hope that Russia and the US would “come to an agreement”.

Russia and the United States have already conducted one prisoner swap since the start of Moscow's Ukraine offensive.

In April, Washington exchanged former US Marine Trevor Reed for convicted drug smuggler Konstantin Yaroshenko.

DAWN

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Ukrainian fighting tactics endanger civilians - Amnesty International

Here is the report by Amnesty International:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...krainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/

Ukraine: Ukrainian fighting tactics endanger civilians

Military bases set up in residential areas including schools and hospitals
Attacks launched from populated civilian areas
Such violations in no way justify Russia’s indiscriminate attacks, which have killed and injured countless civilians

Ukrainian forces have put civilians in harm’s way by establishing bases and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas, including in schools and hospitals, as they repelled the Russian invasion that began in February, Amnesty International said today.

Such tactics violate international humanitarian law and endanger civilians, as they turn civilian objects into military targets. The ensuing Russian strikes in populated areas have killed civilians and destroyed civilian infrastructure.

“We have documented a pattern of Ukrainian forces putting civilians at risk and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.

“Being in a defensive position does not exempt the Ukrainian military from respecting international humanitarian law.”

Not every Russian attack documented by Amnesty International followed this pattern, however. In certain other locations in which Amnesty International concluded that Russia had committed war crimes, including in some areas of the city of Kharkiv, the organization did not find evidence of Ukrainian forces located in the civilian areas unlawfully targeted by the Russian military.

Between April and July, Amnesty International researchers spent several weeks investigating Russian strikes in the Kharkiv, Donbas and Mykolaiv regions. The organization inspected strike sites; interviewed survivors, witnesses and relatives of victims of attacks; and carried out remote-sensing and weapons analysis.

Throughout these investigations, researchers found evidence of Ukrainian forces launching strikes from within populated residential areas as well as basing themselves in civilian buildings in 19 towns and villages in the regions. The organization’s Crisis Evidence Lab has analyzed satellite imagery to further corroborate some of these incidents.

Most residential areas where soldiers located themselves were kilometres away from front lines. Viable alternatives were available that would not endanger civilians – such as military bases or densely wooded areas nearby, or other structures further away from residential areas. In the cases it documented, Amnesty International is not aware that the Ukrainian military who located themselves in civilian structures in residential areas asked or assisted civilians to evacuate nearby buildings – a failure to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians.
Launching strikes from populated civilian areas

Survivors and witnesses of Russian strikes in the Donbas, Kharkiv and Mykolaiv regions told Amnesty International researchers that the Ukrainian military had been operating near their homes around the time of the strikes, exposing the areas to retaliatory fire from Russian forces. Amnesty International researchers witnessed such conduct in numerous locations.

International humanitarian law requires all parties to a conflict to avoid locating, to the maximum extent feasible, military objectives within or near densely populated areas. Other obligations to protect civilians from the effects of attacks include removing civilians from the vicinity of military objectives and giving effective warning of attacks that may affect the civilian population.

The mother of a 50-year-old man killed in a rocket attack on 10 June in a village south of Mykolaiv told Amnesty International: “The military were staying in a house next to our home and my son often took food to the soldiers. I begged him several times to stay away from there because I was afraid for his safety. That afternoon, when the strike happened, my son was in the courtyard of our home and I was in the house. He was killed on the spot. His body was ripped to shreds. Our home was partially destroyed.” Amnesty International researchers found military equipment and uniforms at the house next door.

Mykola, who lives in a tower block in a neighbourhood of Lysychansk (Donbas) that was repeatedly struck by Russian attacks which killed at least one older man, told Amnesty International: “I don’t understand why our military is firing from the cities and not from the field.” Another resident, a 50-year-old man, said: “There is definitely military activity in the neighbourhood. When there is outgoing fire, we hear incoming fire afterwards.” Amnesty International researchers witnessed soldiers using a residential building some 20 metres from the entrance of the underground shelter used by the residents where the older man was killed.

In one town in Donbas on 6 May, Russian forces used widely banned and inherently indiscriminate cluster munitions over a neighbourhood of mostly single or two-storey homes where Ukrainian forces were operating artillery. Shrapnel damaged the walls of the house where Anna, 70, lives with her son and 95-year-old mother.

Anna said: “Shrapnel flew through the doors. I was inside. The Ukrainian artillery was near my field… The soldiers were behind the field, behind the house… I saw them coming in and out… since the war started… My mother is… paralyzed, so I couldn’t flee.”

In early July, a farm worker was injured when Russian forces struck an agricultural warehouse in the Mykolaiv area. Hours after the strike, Amnesty International researchers witnessed the presence of Ukrainian military personnel and vehicles in the grain storage area, and witnesses confirmed that the military had been using the warehouse, located across the road from a farm where civilians are living and working.

While Amnesty International researchers were examining damage to residential and adjacent public buildings in Kharkiv and in villages in Donbas and east of Mykolaiv, they heard outgoing fire from Ukrainian military positions nearby.

In Bakhmut, several residents told Amnesty International that the Ukrainian military had been using a building barely 20 metres across the street from a residential high-rise building. On 18 May, a Russian missile struck the front of the building, partly destroying five apartments and damaging nearby buildings. Kateryna, a resident who survived the strike, said: “I didn’t understand what happened. [There were] broken windows and a lot of dust in my home… I stayed here because my mother didn’t want to leave. She has health problems.”

Three residents told Amnesty International that before the strike, Ukrainian forces had been using a building across the street from the bombed building, and that two military trucks were parked in front of another house that was damaged when the missile hit. Amnesty International researchers found signs of military presence in and outside the building, including sandbags and black plastic sheeting covering the windows, as well as new US-made trauma first aid equipment.

“We have no say in what the military does, but we pay the price,” a resident whose home was also damaged in the strike told Amnesty International.
Military bases in hospitals

Amnesty International researchers witnessed Ukrainian forces using hospitals as de facto military bases in five locations. In two towns, dozens of soldiers were resting, milling about, and eating meals in hospitals. In another town, soldiers were firing from near the hospital.

A Russian air strike on 28 April injured two employees at a medical laboratory in a suburb of Kharkiv after Ukrainian forces had set up a base in the compound.

Using hospitals for military purposes is a clear violation of international humanitarian law.
Military bases in schools

The Ukrainian military has routinely set up bases in schools in towns and villages in Donbas and in the Mykolaiv area. Schools have been temporarily closed to students since the conflict began, but in most cases the buildings were located close to populated civilian neighbourhoods

At 22 out of 29 schools visited, Amnesty International researchers either found soldiers using the premises or found evidence of current or prior military activity – including the presence of military fatigues, discarded munitions, army ration packets and military vehicles.

Russian forces struck many of the schools used by Ukrainian forces. In at least three towns, after Russian bombardment of the schools, Ukrainian soldiers moved to other schools nearby, putting the surrounding neighbourhoods at risk of similar attacks.

In a town east of Odesa, Amnesty International witnessed a broad pattern of Ukrainian soldiers using civilian areas for lodging and as staging areas, including basing armoured vehicles under trees in purely residential neighbourhoods, and using two schools located in densely populated residential areas. Russian strikes near the schools killed and injured several civilians between April and late June – including a child and an older woman killed in a rocket attack on their home on 28 June.

In Bakhmut, Ukrainian forces were using a university building as a base when a Russian strike hit on 21 May, reportedly killing seven soldiers. The university is adjacent to a high-rise residential building which was damaged in the strike, alongside other civilian homes roughly 50 metres away. Amnesty International researchers found the remains of a military vehicle in the courtyard of the bombed university building.

International humanitarian law does not specifically ban parties to a conflict from basing themselves in schools that are not in session. However, militaries have an obligation to avoid using schools that are near houses or apartment buildings full of civilians, putting these lives at risk, unless there is a compelling military need. If they do so, they should warn civilians and, if necessary, help them evacuate. This did not appear to have happened in the cases examined by Amnesty International.

Armed conflicts seriously hamper children’s right to education, and military use of schools can result in destruction that further deprives children of this right once the war ends. Ukraine is one of 114 countries that have endorsed the Safe Schools Declaration, an agreement to protect education amid armed conflict, which allows parties to make use of abandoned or evacuated schools only where there is no viable alternative.
Indiscriminate attacks by Russian forces

Many of the Russian strikes that Amnesty International documented in recent months were carried out with inherently indiscriminate weapons, including internationally banned cluster munitions, or with other explosive weapons with wide area effects. Others used guided weapons with varying levels of accuracy; in some cases, the weapons were precise enough to target specific objects.

The Ukrainian military’s practice of locating military objectives within populated areas does not in any way justify indiscriminate Russian attacks. All parties to a conflict must at all times distinguish between military objectives and civilian objects and take all feasible precautions, including in choice of weapons, to minimize civilian harm. Indiscriminate attacks which kill or injure civilians or damage civilian objects are war crimes.

“The Ukrainian government should immediately ensure that it locates its forces away from populated areas, or should evacuate civilians from areas where the military is operating. Militaries should never use hospitals to engage in warfare, and should only use schools or civilian homes as a last resort when there are no viable alternatives,” said Agnès Callamard.

Amnesty International contacted the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence with the findings of the research on 29 July 2022. At the time of publication, they had not yet responded.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Innocent Ukrainians' blood is being used by Western warmonger media for 'war marketing' purposes.

The real war victims must not be forgotten amongst all the propaganda being spread by both sides.

 

[Technics 1210]

I wonder why MSM apologists have no respond to the Amnesty report? Cannot blame the Russian, ooh I known what, time for the tin-foil hat conspiracy theory and claim Russia paid/influenced the report.

Actually I do not wonder, as the truth is coming home to roost.

The Zionist controlled MSM at its finest, it has its disciples waffling on about military weapons and funding, when all the while Ukraine is no worse than Russia by Western hypocritical standards.

Zelensky needs another photoshoot, perhaps this time in the Rolling Stones magazine.

 

[cpleigh]

Looks like the kherson assault is about to begin. Videos online of convoys of Ukrainian tanks en route

 

[cpleigh]

I wonder why MSM apologists have no respond to the Amnesty report? Cannot blame the Russian, ooh I known what, time for the tin-foil hat conspiracy theory and claim Russia paid/influenced the report.

Actually I do not wonder, as the truth is coming home to roost.

The Zionist controlled MSM at its finest, it has its disciples waffling on about military weapons and funding, when all the while Ukraine is no worse than Russia by Western hypocritical standards.

Zelensky needs another photoshoot, perhaps this time in the Rolling Stones magazine.

The above report also confirms Russia has committed war crimes

 

[Technics 1210]

The above report also confirms Russia has committed war crimes

Which is what the Western MSM believed anyway, what is new is that Ukraine is no different to Russia, so the lie that Ukraine is a victim, is just that, propaganda by Western MSM.

Have to change the MSM narrative now.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The above report also confirms Russia has committed war crimes

So you accept Ukranians have committed war crimes? You dont sound to sure, as usual divert to what Russia has done.

Your hero Zelensky claims Amnesty is targeting Ukrainians who are angels but hasn't shown what Russia has done.

It was always a bit stupid for anyone to think the Nazis fascists would treat people in a humane way.

 

[Robert]

It was only going to be for Crimea & Donbas initially. But with the stupidity of the collective west over the last few months, it will expand and yes it does meet the land grab definition.

Crimea meets the land-grab definition and that had nothing to do with "the collective west".

Donbas also meets the land-grab definition.

I don't know what this man has to do before you see that he is an imperialist aggressor.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Crimea meets the land-grab definition and that had nothing to do with "the collective west".

Donbas also meets the land-grab definition.

I don't know what this man has to do before you see that he is an imperialist aggressor.

Please show some ability to debate your points you write on here.

Crimea voted to join Russia. There is no majority or even a large minority of people living in Crimea who want to be part of Ukraine. If Ukraine cared for Crimean's it wouldn't have blocked water by building a dam, which had serious effects on the land and population.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

The above report also confirms Russia has committed war crimes

This is precisely the whataboutism the MSM want us to stuck in.

Of course, Russian war crimes are wrong.

Whenever a critical question is being discussed, this is the first step to divert attention.

Mind you, this same media sold the Iraq War. A million Iraqi deaths were insufficient to satisfy the Anglo-Zionist bloodthirst. These psychos wanted to continue on...

 

[Technics 1210]

Please show some ability to debate your points you write on here.

Crimea voted to join Russia. There is no majority or even a large minority of people living in Crimea who want to be part of Ukraine. If Ukraine cared for Crimean's it wouldn't have blocked water by building a dam, which had serious effects on the land and population.

Crimea democratic result doesn't count and is invalid because Western governments did not agree with the result. Brexit and Trump, the same.

Democratic Liberals only accept democratic results when it works in their favour. It's a proven track record.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Crimea democratic result doesn't count and is invalid because Western governments did not agree with the result. Brexit and Trump, the same.

Democratic Liberals only accept democratic results when it works in their favour. It's a proven track record.

Crimeans voted, a historical part of Russia too. Taiwan is a part of China but they still want to see conflict.

It seems as long as the everyone else is shedding blood for the interests of Western imperialism, its totally acceptable, morally right for them.

Meanwhile Russia has been working on the info gained from the Ukranian bio labs which were found/destroyed.

Russian MoD Investigating Role Of US In 'creation' Of COVID, Monkeypox Virus
Russia's MoD accused United States of carrying out activities to create drugs that, when introduced into the body for a short time, cause chronic diseases.

https://www.republicworld.com/world...ion-of-covid-monkeypox-virus-articleshow.html

It seems Russia knew Ukraine was being used to prepare for some sort of biological attack on Russia through covert means.

The military operation in Ukraine has ironically probably saved more lives than lost in this conflict!

 

[cpleigh]

So you accept Ukranians have committed war crimes? You dont sound to sure, as usual divert to what Russia has done.

Your hero Zelensky claims Amnesty is targeting Ukrainians who are angels but hasn't shown what Russia has done.

It was always a bit stupid for anyone to think the Nazis fascists would treat people in a humane way.

Don't think I've ever denied it. But let's be clear... Russia shouldn't be there, Ukraine shouldn't need to put troops in civilian areas.

Oh and on amnesty international.... They created this report without even consulting the Ukrainian branch and it's the same amnesty international who condemn the Palestinians and never israel...

Do you also believe tbat? Or is it likely they defend the deepest pockets?

 

[cpleigh]

Jesus... Have the Russians sunk that far... A covid monkeypox hybrid..

Oh my god. This forum is becoming laughable if anyone believes that

 

[cpleigh]

Crimea democratic result doesn't count and is invalid because Western governments did not agree with the result. Brexit and Trump, the same.

Democratic Liberals only accept democratic results when it works in their favour. It's a proven track record.

It doesn't count as it was illegal. Is that hard to understand?

India invade Karachi.... Millions leave and India calls a referendum with no outside judge, Karachi votes 98% to join India..

Would you accept that?

 

[Technics 1210]

It doesn't count as it was illegal. Is that hard to understand?

India invade Karachi.... Millions leave and India calls a referendum with no outside judge, Karachi votes 98% to join India..

Would you accept that?

Illegal? Says who? The same governments that professed Iraq had WMDs? )

 

[KingKhanWC]

Don't think I've ever denied it. But let's be clear... Russia shouldn't be there, Ukraine shouldn't need to put troops in civilian areas.

Oh and on amnesty international.... They created this report without even consulting the Ukrainian branch and it's the same amnesty international who condemn the Palestinians and never israel...

Do you also believe tbat? Or is it likely they defend the deepest pockets?

You are blurred not clear. If you think Britain can travel thousands of miles to help the Falkanders who are colonists, Russia has every right to help the people in the East who request their help after years of killings by Ukranian nazis.

Amnesty has called Israel apartheid state amongst many other things, do keep up.

Its not what I believe ,its the hypocrisy you show in your points and your cheerleading for more war not just in Ukraine but you want US to go to war over Taiwan.

 

[Technics 1210]

You are blurred not clear. If you think Britain can travel thousands of miles to help the Falkanders who are colonists, Russia has every right to help the people in the East who request their help after years of killings by Ukranian nazis.

Amnesty has called Israel apartheid state amongst many other things, do keep up.

Its not what I believe ,its the hypocrisy you show in your points and your cheerleading for more war not just in Ukraine but you want US to go to war over Taiwan.

It was pretty obvious that Ukraine apologists would come out with the ‘Amnesty report is fake’ excuse.

Surprised it took so long to be honest.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Don't think I've ever denied it. But let's be clear... Russia shouldn't be there, Ukraine shouldn't need to put troops in civilian areas.

Oh and on amnesty international.... They created this report without even consulting the Ukrainian branch and it's the same amnesty international who condemn the Palestinians and never israel...

Do you also believe tbat? Or is it likely they defend the deepest pockets?

Without derailing this thread. Just FYI:

Our report reveals the true extent of Israel’s apartheid regime. Whether they live in Gaza, East Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank, or Israel itself, Palestinians are treated as an inferior racial group and systematically deprived of their rights. We found that Israel’s cruel policies of segregation, dispossession and exclusion across all territories under its control clearly amount to apartheid. The international community has an obligation to act

Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/?qlocation=2031&qresource-type=2148

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...m-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

Lol. Yet further whataboutism. The irony.

 

[cpleigh]

Illegal? Says who? The same governments that professed Iraq had WMDs? )

The UN. It's illegal to invade a country.

You haven't answered my question.... I presume because you cant

 

[cpleigh]

Without derailing this thread. Just FYI:



https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/?qlocation=2031&qresource-type=2148

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...m-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

Lol. Yet further whataboutism. The irony.

But doesn't condemn the invasion... Whilst condemning Palestinians for using civilian buildings to harbour fighters but doesn't condemn israel for bombing such areas

 

[Technics 1210]

The UN. It's illegal to invade a country.

You haven't answered my question.... I presume because you cant

I do not entertain hypotheticals.

Illegal to invade a country? Like USA/UK illegally invaded Iraq?

 

[Technics 1210]

But doesn't condemn the invasion... Whilst condemning Palestinians for using civilian buildings to harbour fighters but doesn't condemn israel for bombing such areas

And the UN doesn't say the Crimea referendum was illegal, just invalid.

What's your point?

 

[Technics 1210]

The report on Ukraine’s violations of humanitarian law was based on an “extensive investigation,” the NGO maintains

Amnesty International said on Friday that it stands by a report in which it accused Kiev of endangering civilians by placing its military assets in schools and residential areas. The investigation drew the ire of the Ukrainian government and President Vladimir Zelensky.

The NGO “fully stands by our research,” its Secretary General Agnes Callamard told the news agency AFP in an emailed statement. She also took to Twitter to state that her organization stands “by all victims. Impartially” and lashed out at those she called “social media mobs and trolls” that are “attacking” Amnesty’s investigations.

 

[cpleigh]

I do not entertain hypotheticals.

Illegal to invade a country? Like USA/UK illegally invaded Iraq?

Yeah, hence why it's called the illegal invasion of iraq.

Fantastic... You cant answer... Check mate

 

[cpleigh]

And the UN doesn't say the Crimea referendum was illegal, just invalid.

What's your point?

.

Invalid as in it doesn't count as invading another country is illegal so nothing is recognised?

Fantastic you've just proven another thing.

On a roll today technics

 

[Technics 1210]

Yeah, hence why it's called the illegal invasion of iraq.

Fantastic... You cant answer... Check mate

Actually, you got trapped, you just admitted the West is hypocritical and you are subservient to Zionist MSM.

 

[Technics 1210]

.

Invalid as in it doesn't count as invading another country is illegal so nothing is recognised?

Fantastic you've just proven another thing.

On a roll today technics

So you got caught lying again, the Crimean referendum was not declared illegal (as you claimed), just invalid by the UN.

Now you are claiming invalid is the same as illegal.

Yes I am on a roll today, proving what you really stand for and understand.

 

[cpleigh]

Actually, you got trapped, you just admitted the West is hypocritical and you are subservient to Zionist MSM.

Trapped? What are u talking about? Most people in the 'west' agree that the invasion was illegal.

Are u arguing with yourself again?

 

[cpleigh]

So you got caught lying again, the Crimean referendum was not declared illegal (as you claimed), just invalid by the UN.

Now you are claiming invalid is the same as illegal.

Yes I am on a roll today, proving what you really stand for and understand.

Ah... the good old 'technic totally ignores things'.

The invasion was illegal hence why the referendum is invalid.

As already explained to you

 

[Technics 1210]

Ah... the good old 'technic totally ignores things'.

The invasion was illegal hence why the referendum is invalid.

As already explained to you

Nope. The referendum was invalid because the result didn't suit the Western agenda.

You can explain your version as many times as want, fact is, people of Crimea side with Russia, and have no complaints or desire to Ukraine.

 

[Technics 1210]

Trapped? What are u talking about? Most people in the 'west' agree that the invasion was illegal.

Are u arguing with yourself again?

Really, then why doesn't the government of USA and UK call for Bush and Blair to stand trial for war crimes?

People agreeing means nothing in the West.

Tsk tsk.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ah... the good old 'technic totally ignores things'.

The invasion was illegal hence why the referendum is invalid.

As already explained to you

Wasnt illegal according to the Russians, Crimean's and recent history of events. The bombing of Serbs by Nato was legal, USA attacking China if they aim to take control of their own land is illegal but this isnt lol.

We need more Pro-Nato posters, the entertainment they bring is priceless.

 

[Browncaps]

FRENCH VOLUNTEER SUGGESTS BUCHA TRAGEDY WAS A FALSE FLAG

Since footage of the Bucha tragedy emerged, Russian officials have repeatedly claimed that Moscow forces had no part in the alleged massacre. Reports by journalists and analysis by experts on several occasions showed that the evidence pointed to the existence of a false flag operation by Kiev. Now, the testimony of a French volunteer once again points to this conclusion. More than that, the witness also reports episodes of massacre and torture against Russian prisoners, showing that Ukrainian fighters have committed war crimes.

Adrien Bocquet, a French volunteer in the Ukrainian conflict, recently made statements denouncing some facts he saw during his work. He traveled to Ukraine twice to help with humanitarian missions, mainly with rescuing the wounded, providing equipment, medicine and other similar actions. In his activities, Bocquet witnessed the inhumane treatment Russian prisoners have been subjected to when captured by Ukrainian soldiers.

“When I talk about murder and torture, I am talking about the murder and torture of the Russian military. Officers were the first to be executed. I heard shouts when the ‘Azov men’ asked who the officer was. As soon as they got the answer, they immediately shot that person in the head […] The worst thing is that I saw no human attitude, no emotions, because I saw people being executed, people being tortured, people being killed, shot in their limbs, heads”, he said.

According to him, Ukrainian neo-Nazi militants publicly express their anti-Russian hate and make it clear that their aim is simply to torture and kill Russian citizens, regardless of any issue. For them, the desire to massacre Russians seems even greater than the desire to “liberate” Ukraine, as Bocquet reports:

“I had to pretend a lot to avoid showing my opinions and emotions and above all not to show disagreement with their opinions. Disagreement with their Nazi ideology, especially when they expressed attitudes toward Jews and people of color, because they made very cruel statements. And first of all, I’m talking about hatred towards Russians, because they […] call you ‘Russian dogs’. And for all these soldiers, for members of the Azov Battalion, the main task, as they have always told me, is to torture and kill ‘Russian dogs’. As a former military man, I was surprised. Because everything showed that their main goal was to torture and kill ‘Russian dogs’ while they never even talked about the liberation of their population”.

However, what is most surprising in the reports of the French volunteer is the fact that his experience reinforces the Russian narrative that the alleged massacre in Bucha was a false flag operation. Having worked in Bucha, Bocquet alleges that during his activities he saw Ukrainian agents pulling bodies out of trucks and laying them on the ground so that the footage taken by journalists looked like a mass massacre. Most likely, bodies were brought from other regions of Ukraine and unloaded in Bucha in order to form a scenario similar to the one of a real massacre. Bocquet also says that the volunteers were forbidden by the agents to take pictures and videos of the places, being threatened with prison in case of non-compliance.

“When we entered Bucha by car, I was in the passenger seat. And as we drove through the city, I saw bodies of people on the sides of the streets, and at the same time I saw people’s bodies being taken out of trucks and laid out next to the bodies lying on the ground to give the effect of mass killings (…) One of the volunteers who was at this place the day before (…) [told me that] he saw refrigerator trucks from other cities of Ukraine coming to Bucha and unloading bodies and laying them out in rows. I realized from this that they were staging mass massacres (…) We were warned that [if we took photos or videos] we would get imprisonment for ten years or more severe consequences. This ban also applied to the locals. This pressure was exerted by the military, primarily by the Azov men. Today, Europe does not understand how great the pressure is on the population of Ukraine”, he states.

In fact, the report of a European volunteer who was physically in Bucha days before the alleged “massacre” is of immense value and credibility. When Russian officials express their views, the Western media claim that it is some kind of “propaganda” or “counter-information”, which tends to be agreed by public opinion, as Moscow is involved in the conflict. However, this is not the case now. Boucquet is a European citizen who served in a humanitarian mission alongside Ukrainian forces, so he has no reason to spread “propaganda” in favor of Moscow.

This testimony is concrete evidence of the only possible conclusion regarding the investigations of Bucha: there was no massacre in the region, but the allocation in the same place of bodies from different areas. What appears to have happened was a false flag operation to move global public opinion against Russia – and if Western investigators analyze the case honestly and impartially, they will come to the same conclusion.

https://southfront.org/french-volunteer-suggests-bucha-tragedy-was-a-false-flag/

 

[Technics 1210]

Ahhh the classic false flag maneuver from the West. NATO pulling out all the classic hits in this war!

 

[Technics 1210]

Wasnt illegal according to the Russians, Crimean's and recent history of events. The bombing of Serbs by Nato was legal, USA attacking China if they aim to take control of their own land is illegal but this isnt lol.

We need more Pro-Nato posters, the entertainment they bring is priceless.

Not a single NATO apologist has accused or said of Russia that the West isn't guilt of; they know this deep down but will never have the guts to admit Western hypocrisy.

In fact, if you ask them why they detest Russia, the answer is, Russia doesn't share Western values.

The apologists are very upset that Putin has out played NATO, out smarted NATO, and has circumvented all Western sanctions, while placing Europe between a rock and hard place.

Just need Trump to win 2024 and then watch the sea levels rise with liberal tears.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not a single NATO apologist has accused or said of Russia that the West isn't guilt of; they know this deep down but will never have the guts to admit Western hypocrisy.

In fact, if you ask them why they detest Russia, the answer is, Russia doesn't share Western values.

The apologists are very upset that Putin has out played NATO, out smarted NATO, and has circumvented all Western sanctions, while placing Europe between a rock and hard place.

Just need Trump to win 2024 and then watch the sea levels rise with liberal tears.

Its either sheer delusion or outright deception , not sure which is worse in day & age.

Its a great point to discuss, why are so many westerners so against Russia and Putin? Putin hasn't harmed anyone in the west, on the contrary he was willing to make good relations , cooperating in all fields inc security.

Maybe too many James Bond films since they were children?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Volodymyr Zelensky seeking ‘direct talks’ with China’s Xi Jinping to help end Russia’s invasion of Ukraine

The Ukrainian leader has urged Beijing to use its economic and political power to press Moscow to comply with international norms
In this exclusive interview with the Post, Zelensky also says he hopes China and other countries will ‘unite’ to support Ukraine’s reconstruction

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/poli...y-seeking-direct-talks-chinas-xi-jinping-help

Is Volodymyr worried Nato arent doing much or have failed, he feels the need to beg China.

This comedian really needs an oscar for this one. China will be laughing at his current episode.

 

[Technics 1210]

Its either sheer delusion or outright deception , not sure which is worse in day & age.

Its a great point to discuss, why are so many westerners so against Russia and Putin? Putin hasn't harmed anyone in the west, on the contrary he was willing to make good relations , cooperating in all fields inc security.

Maybe too many James Bond films since they were children?

Indoctrination at a young age, especially during history class, which was completely bias, never taught the failures of the West, and was predominantly loaded with holocaust info. Many adults of today know how many died in the Holocaust off by heart, but not how many troops from each country died in WW2. In fact, history books in the West have little content on how USSR helped the Western alliance win WW1 and WW2.

I guess after Hitler died, the West needed a new bogeyman to expand its Imperialist agenda, USSR was it, and after the USSR collapsed, the next Bogeyman was OBL, and now its back to Putin who single-handedly taken Russia from the depths of society, to one of the most powerful and fearful nations on earth.

West cannot survive without a bogeyman, its how the Zionist MSM control society, through fear.

 

[bones]

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/poli...y-seeking-direct-talks-chinas-xi-jinping-help

Is Volodymyr worried Nato arent doing much or have failed, he feels the need to beg China.

This comedian really needs an oscar for this one. China will be laughing at his current episode.

He’s also not listening to his own military men. It doesn’t help that the EU and America are making the decisions.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Indoctrination at a young age, especially during history class, which was completely bias, never taught the failures of the West, and was predominantly loaded with holocaust info. Many adults of today know how many died in the Holocaust off by heart, but not how many troops from each country died in WW2. In fact, history books in the West have little content on how USSR helped the Western alliance win WW1 and WW2.

I guess after Hitler died, the West needed a new bogeyman to expand its Imperialist agenda, USSR was it, and after the USSR collapsed, the next Bogeyman was OBL, and now its back to Putin who single-handedly taken Russia from the depths of society, to one of the most powerful and fearful nations on earth.

West cannot survive without a bogeyman, its how the Zionist MSM control society, through fear.

School history is in the west is actually school fairy tales, almost all is constructed to see the west as the 'good guys', as we've seen such terms mentioned on here by mature (age) posters. The event(s) may be true but the background and reasonings are always lies.

They do use the bogeyman to maintain a fear factor with their own people, a type of abuse of ones citizens through mind control and through attacking their insecurities. The bogeymen are also people in lands where conquest either through the bullet or through some other control is needed to continue the imperialism which is like the blood in the veins of modern western civilisation.

However, we grew up in the west, so did many whose skin is white such as the late Benn, Corbyn or many others. All of us were indoctrinated at school but can see the trees through the forest. I think if you have a clean heart, want justice for all not just yourself and want a better world for the all in the future, you can easily become unindoctrinated mainly through searching for the truth.

Russians have always been shown as the enemy, evil since the Soviet days. Not a coincidence the Bolshevik revolution was designed by the Zionists to end the Christian Russian empire and replace it with a a godless version which can be used by the west to show they are the bad guys while fulfilling Zionist dreams in the background. Now Putin who is an Orthodox Christian is bringing back a powerful empire, they are worried and need to put a stop. But it seems so far their plans are falling on their face.

 

[Gilly]

Indoctrination at a young age, especially during history class, which was completely bias, never taught the failures of the West, and was predominantly loaded with holocaust info. Many adults of today know how many died in the Holocaust off by heart, but not how many troops from each country died in WW2. In fact, history books in the West have little content on how USSR helped the Western alliance win WW1 and WW2.

I guess after Hitler died, the West needed a new bogeyman to expand its Imperialist agenda, USSR was it, and after the USSR collapsed, the next Bogeyman was OBL, and now its back to Putin who single-handedly taken Russia from the depths of society, to one of the most powerful and fearful nations on earth.

West cannot survive without a bogeyman, its how the Zionist MSM control society, through fear.

You have absolutely on idea how many Russian troops have died in the invasion of Ukraine.

 

[Robert]

He’s also not listening to his own military men. It doesn’t help that the EU and America are making the decisions.

They aren’t.

Ukrainians make the decisions to defend Ukraine from a war of aggression.

Nations who are members of the EU, NATO, both or neither, are helping them to defend themselves.

By starting that EU and USA are making the decisions to fight, you deny the Ukrainians agency, and their right to defend their homeland and their women from rape.

 

[bones]

They aren’t.

Ukrainians make the decisions to defend Ukraine from a war of aggression.

Nations who are members of the EU, NATO, both or neither, are helping them to defend themselves.

By starting that EU and USA are making the decisions to fight, you deny the Ukrainians agency, and their right to defend their homeland and their women from rape.

There is no evidence of rape. So stop lying.

Zaluzny told Zelensky not to withdraw troops from the Donbas towards Kherson. Zelensky said no we need some counteroffensive because the British wanted it.

The Americans are deciding on the targets for the Himars not the AFU.

 

[Robert]

There is no evidence of rape. So stop lying.

Zaluzny told Zelensky not to withdraw troops from the Donbas towards Kherson. Zelensky said no we need some counteroffensive because the British wanted it.

The Americans are deciding on the targets for the Himars not the AFU.

Evidence? You are being naïve concerning war rape. The Red Army raped every Berliner female above age 12 after the Battle of Berlin. The Generals did not encourage it but neither did they stop it. The Ukrainians know this. They want to prevent it happening to their own women and children.

I find it likely that USAF and RAF are identifying and recommending targets. And if so, good on them for helping the young democracy of Ukraine continue to exist.

 

[bones]

Evidence? You are being naïve concerning war rape. The Red Army raped every Berliner female above age 12 after the Battle of Berlin. The Generals did not encourage it but neither did they stop it. The Ukrainians know this. They want to prevent it happening to their own women and children.

I find it likely that USAF and RAF are identifying and recommending targets. And if so, good on them for helping the young democracy of Ukraine continue to exist.

There is no evidence of any rape in this conflict by the Russians. Perhaps there is the odd case here or there of an soldier but even that hasn’t been investigated or proven. Feel free to provide any independent sources if you have them.

The Americans and Europeans are free to help out the Ukrainians as they please but be prepared for the consequences. Remember, Russia and the Ukrainian territory captured is very resource rich.

 

[Technics 1210]

You have absolutely on idea how many Russian troops have died in the invasion of Ukraine.

I was referring to WW2.

What is your point?

 

[Robert]

There is no evidence of any rape in this conflict by the Russians. Perhaps there is the odd case here or there of an soldier but even that hasn’t been investigated or proven. Feel free to provide any independent sources if you have them.

The Americans and Europeans are free to help out the Ukrainians as they please but be prepared for the consequences. Remember, Russia and the Ukrainian territory captured is very resource rich.

I haven't stated any evidence, I mentioned an historical occurrence of mass rape, which the Ukrainians will be aware of too, and that any invaded population with fear mass rape of their womenfolk. It's part of why the Ukraininans are fighting so hard.

 

[cpleigh]

I mean there's plenty of evidence of rape, multiple accounts. You just don't want to believe it, you won't even believe the bucha travesty.

Really gruesome pic of a Ukranian head and hands on spikes in Russian occupied terrorism today. Senseless brutality.

Again you'll claim it's a fake.

 

[bones]

I mean there's plenty of evidence of rape, multiple accounts. You just don't want to believe it, you won't even believe the bucha travesty.

Really gruesome pic of a Ukranian head and hands on spikes in Russian occupied terrorism today. Senseless brutality.

Again you'll claim it's a fake.

I believe in the bucha killings, I just don’t believe that the Russians did it.

Yes that video was a fake.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I mean there's plenty of evidence of rape, multiple accounts. You just don't want to believe it, you won't even believe the bucha travesty.

Really gruesome pic of a Ukranian head and hands on spikes in Russian occupied terrorism today. Senseless brutality.

Again you'll claim it's a fake.

Please show some, you never do.

To use the word plenty would insinuate systematic. Hint - Russians are almost all in the East, the people living in the East want Russian help, they are Russian speakers and historically Russians. So please do clarify when showing some evidence if they are raping those Russians or Ukranian soldiers?

 

[bones]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ukraine-s-fate-may-rest-on-a-mild-winter

 

[Reddy]

Norway Considers Limiting Electricity Exports To Prevent Domestic Crunch

"A cut in Norwegian power exports would be felt in Northwest Europe, which itself is grappling with issues at coal and nuclear power generating plants due to the low water level in rivers limiting coal supply via barges and warm river water unsuitable for cooling nuclear reactors.

As a result of these issues and the uncertainty over natural gas supply from Russia, power prices in Germany for the year ahead jumped to a record on Friday."


https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...icity-Exports-To-Prevent-Domestic-Crunch.html

 

[Reddy]

Germany’s Power Prices Hit Record-High As Utilities Limit Output

"The price of electricity in the biggest market in Europe, Germany, rose by 2% early on Friday to a record $419 (410 euro) a megawatt hour (MWh), per Bloomberg estimates.

More and more utilities in Europe are looking to switch to fuels other than natural gas because of sky-high prices and uncertainty in Russian supply as the continent scrambles to fill gas storage sites ahead of the winter.

But coal supply is constrained due to low water levels on the Rhine River, a major coal and fuel transportation corridor in Europe."

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...it-Record-High-As-Utilities-Limit-Output.html

 

[KingKhanWC]

Will be interesting to see when the people in Europe will rise up against these energy prices. Its starting now in the UK with many calling for a boycott and not to pay their energy bills. Big energy companies have recently published huge profits, so they are pointing fingers at them.

Instead they should protest the government to stop funding (over £2billion) a lost cause in Ukraine. Protest the government to reconcile all of Europe with Russia to stop sanctions and to buy energy. The problem is the leaders of Europe are mere actors doing the bidding of others.

 

[Technics 1210]

As the UK recession kicks in, and high energy prices rip through affordability, UK citizens will have long forgotten the Ukraine war.

Putin is a genius.

 

[James]

With the energy prices in the UK, I think there is either going to have to be some kind of mass public bailout or alternatively the government may itself have to buy out the energy companies and nationalise the system. Both would be incredibly expensive, but I would support the latter option over the former because it would be a better long term option. The energy price cap is about to rise to untenable levels which are going to be impossible for everyday people to afford. Renationalising energy could be the silver living for the UK from all of this.

 

[bones]

With the energy prices in the UK, I think there is either going to have to be some kind of mass public bailout or alternatively the government may itself have to buy out the energy companies and nationalise the system. Both would be incredibly expensive, but I would support the latter option over the former because it would be a better long term option. The energy price cap is about to rise to untenable levels which are going to be impossible for everyday people to afford. Renationalising energy could be the silver living for the UK from all of this.

Just to think a few months ago when it was all fine and then our leaders decided to implement the single greatest move of self damage in our memory, the sanctions on Russia…

 

[Robert]

With the energy prices in the UK, I think there is either going to have to be some kind of mass public bailout or alternatively the government may itself have to buy out the energy companies and nationalise the system. Both would be incredibly expensive, but I would support the latter option over the former because it would be a better long term option. The energy price cap is about to rise to untenable levels which are going to be impossible for everyday people to afford. Renationalising energy could be the silver living for the UK from all of this.

Agreed. Out of this Putin invasion some good will come to UK - in terms of nationalised power, and an accelerated switch to green tech.

 

[Reddy]

Russian Refinery Returns To Operations After Drone Strike

"Russia’s oil refinery that was struck by drones in June has resumed full operations, Interfax said on Friday.

A tight refined products market and shrinking global refining capacity have placed increased scrutiny on any refinery production outages as diesel and other finished product inventories fall.

Russia’s refinery restart, which processed 5.2 million tonnes of crude last year, will give Russia additional outlets for its crude oil "

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...Returns-To-Operations-After-Drone-Strike.html

 

[Robert]

Someone has been shelling the Ukrainian nuclear reactor.

This is potentially very bad indeed. All we need is another Chernobyl.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/62462223

 

[Technics 1210]

Poland has rejected the bloc’s plan to cut energy consumption

The European Commission will not be able to force Poland to adhere to the EU’s new plan to cut gas consumption, nor will Poland share its gas reserves with other members of the bloc, the country’s climate and environment minister, Anna Moskwa, has told the news outlet Sieci.

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EU infighting has stepped up a gear! The cracks within the EU are now starting to show!

 

[Reddy]

Turkey Agrees To Pay For Russian Gas With Rubles

"Turkey’s President Tayyip Erdogan and Russia’s President Vladimir Putin agreed on Friday to bolster cooperation after a four-hour meeting, a joint statement from the two nations has revealed as cited by Reuters.

As part of the deal, which would increase cooperation in the transportation, agriculture, finance, and construction industries "

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...grees-To-Pay-For-Russian-Gas-With-Rubles.html

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

International students who fled Ukraine face deadline to leave Germany

Ukrainian refugees in Germany can easily apply for a two-year residency permit, but the fast-track immigration process for Ukrainian nationals is not available for everyone who fled the war.
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Most others can only stay in Germany without a visa until the end of August. After that, they will need to apply for a regular residence permit.


Source: https://www.dw.com/en/international...ine-face-deadline-to-leave-germany/a-62726304

 

[Technics 1210]

Turkey Agrees To Pay For Russian Gas With Rubles

"Turkey’s President Tayyip Erdogan and Russia’s President Vladimir Putin agreed on Friday to bolster cooperation after a four-hour meeting, a joint statement from the two nations has revealed as cited by Reuters.

As part of the deal, which would increase cooperation in the transportation, agriculture, finance, and construction industries "

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...grees-To-Pay-For-Russian-Gas-With-Rubles.html

Huge news, considering Turkey is a member of NATO and EU customs zone.

 

[Reddy]

Turkey’s banks are adopting Russian payments system: Erdogan

"Five Turkish banks have adopted Russia’s Mir payments system, Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on his return from talks with President Vladimir Putin in the Black Sea resort of Sochi.

Payment in rubles will be a source of financial support for both Russia and Turkey, he said, adding the central bank governors of the two countries also met during the visit"

https://english.alarabiya.net/busin...-are-adopting-Russian-payments-system-Erdogan

 

[cpleigh]

Crimea has been hit! Wow... at least 5 targets, all military.

Ukraine must have some new toys

 

[cpleigh]

Huge news, considering Turkey is a member of NATO and EU customs zone.

Nah its not huge news at all. Turkey didn't impose any sanctions

 

[Technics 1210]

Nah its not huge news at all. Turkey didn't impose any sanctions

It has nothing to do with sanction but trade in a non-USD currency. I will let you look up the ramifications but its one of the reasons western sanctions have failed because the Ruble has not plummeted.

 

[Technics 1210]

A depot containing HIMARS rockets and ammunition for M777 weapon systems was successfully targeted, Russia’s Defense Ministry claimed

Russian forces have destroyed a large amount of munitions for American-made weapon systems after striking a depot in central Ukraine, Russia’s Defense Ministry said on Tuesday.


In its daily update, the ministry claimed that the strike was carried out near the village of Uman in Ukraine’s Cherkasy Region via long-range high-precision sea-based weapons and destroyed over 300 rockets for HIMARS multiple rocket launch systems. A large amount of ammunition for American M777 howitzers was also taken out, it said.

 

[cpleigh]

It has nothing to do with sanction but trade in a non-USD currency. I will let you look up the ramifications but its one of the reasons western sanctions have failed because the Ruble has not plummeted.

I really really can't be bothered now. The Russian economy is on the verge of collapse. The latest yale report confirmed it.

Also with putin hinting to Erdoğan he wants a peace settlement... that should tell you all you need to know

 

[cpleigh]

A depot containing HIMARS rockets and ammunition for M777 weapon systems was successfully targeted, Russia’s Defense Ministry claimed

Russian forces have destroyed a large amount of munitions for American-made weapon systems after striking a depot in central Ukraine, Russia’s Defense Ministry said on Tuesday.


In its daily update, the ministry claimed that the strike was carried out near the village of Uman in Ukraine’s Cherkasy Region via long-range high-precision sea-based weapons and destroyed over 300 rockets for HIMARS multiple rocket launch systems. A large amount of ammunition for American M777 howitzers was also taken out, it said.

Shame they missed the rockets Ukraine just used to hit crimea....

Do you still believe the kremlin? They've destroyed more HIMARS than what Ukraine has

 

[MenInG]

Crimea authorities say one person killed in airbase blast

One person has been killed and five others injured by a blast at a military airbase at Saky in the Russian-controlled Crimean Peninsula, according to Crimean authorities.

The Moscow defence ministry said earlier that the explosion had been a detonation of aviation ammunition, not the result of any attack.

Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014.

 

[cpleigh]

Crimea authorities say one person killed in airbase blast

One person has been killed and five others injured by a blast at a military airbase at Saky in the Russian-controlled Crimean Peninsula, according to Crimean authorities.

The Moscow defence ministry said earlier that the explosion had been a detonation of aviation ammunition, not the result of any attack.

Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014.

Just like the Moskva....

 

[James]

Loads of posts going way off topic.

Thread is Russia Invades Ukraine.

 

[Technics 1210]

I really really can't be bothered now. The Russian economy is on the verge of collapse. The latest yale report confirmed it.

Also with putin hinting to Erdoğan he wants a peace settlement... that should tell you all you need to know

More propaganda from NATO apologists.

Russia is not rationing gas unlike Europe, Russia is not banning water unlike UK, Russia is not increasing interest rates, unlike the West, Russian Ruble is not declining, unlike GBP and EUR - and some phantom Yale report doesn't change this fact. Your own media sources have stated that Western economic sanctions have failed!

McDonalds is the beacon of a civilisation let alone an economy!

You're right, do not bother.

 

[Reddy]

Britons Advised To Stop Showering To Conserve Energy

"Water utilities in the UK are advising customers to save water and energy by using damp towels or spray bottles instead of taking showers during a heatwave and drought this summer.

Customers say the pieces of advice water companies are giving are "laughable," including looking up a four-minute-long song to take a shower or collecting the cold water in the shower until the water heats up"

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...sed-To-Stop-Showering-To-Conserve-Energy.html