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bones said:
I don’t think I’m being rude or harsh when I say you’re ignorant on this topic. The Balfour treaty for example is a basic fact that is deliberately not taught in schools because it paints the British, Americans and especially Jewish Zionists in a bad light.

Telling the truth about Jewish/Zionist money lending doesn’t make you anti semitic.
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As a self proclaimed proud Englishman, I bet [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] hasnt even read Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice. Its not a new trick by them.
 
I'm still waiting on the explanation on how NATO is a defensive alliance given how it allowed Muslim genocide in Bosnia, and parked nukes in Turkey to antagonise Russia which lead to the Cuban missile crisis, waged war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria.

Remarkable, none of this stuff is taught at schools in the Western world. Propaganda at it finest.

And to think students end up in debt and brainwashed. Ouch.
 
I wouldn't fall for the anti-Semitic trick, because anyone who opposes the Palestinian right of passage is also anti-Semitic.

Facts do not care about feelings.
 
Russia’s Crude Prices Rebound As China And India Snap Up Cargoes

"Russia’s ESPO crude blend shipped to Asia has recently seen spot deals at parity with Middle Eastern benchmarks in a sign that the export grade Russia is shipping out of its Far East port Kozmino is recovering in pricing amid high demand from Russia’s top buyers China and India.

At least two cargoes loading over the next two months have been sold with ESPO prices at par with the Dubai benchmark, trading sources told Reuters on Monday.

In the early weeks of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, ESPO slumped to a discount of as much as $20 per barrel to regional benchmarks as traders and companies were confused about potential sanctions on Russian oil shipments.

Prices have rebounded from those lows, as India and China continue to buy Russian oil. Moreover, the EU has recently decided to add exemptions to the sanctions on Russia, which would allow countries from outside the bloc to deal with sanctioned Russian entities, including banks and state companies such as Rosneft."

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...bound-As-China-And-India-Snap-Up-Cargoes.html
 
Technics 1210 said:
I wouldn't fall for the anti-Semitic trick, because anyone who opposes the Palestinian right of passage is also anti-Semitic.

Facts do not care about feelings.
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Its all nonsense, most of the Jews in Israel are not Israelites. A deep study was done , the Semitic people are actually Arabs, not white Europeans who claimed the land, they are Khazars.

Interesting these Khazars had a land in now Ukraine. Its always related to their symbolism.
 
KingKhanWC said:
As a self proclaimed proud Englishman, I bet [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] hasnt even read Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice. Its not a new trick by them.
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Not only have I read it, but I watched Al Pacino perform it on Broadway in 2010.

The problem is, there are people on this thread who still believe the primitive bigoted nonsense that was acceptable in the 16th century.

That’s how grown men can accuse Ukraine of being Nazi Zionists, with no shame or embarrassment about calling the descendants of people murdered by the Nazis, well, Nazis.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Its all nonsense, most of the Jews in Israel are not Israelites. A deep study was done , the Semitic people are actually Arabs, not white Europeans who claimed the land, they are Khazars.

Interesting these Khazars had a land in now Ukraine. Its always related to their symbolism.
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There have always been Ashkenazi European Jews and Sephardi Arab Jews.

Again, you are trying to delegitimise the Jewish people and their right to exist in Israel. I’m not saying that the Palestinians don’t also have the right to live in Palestine, because they obviously do too.

We have two groups for whom it is their national home. But you don’t seem to be able to articulate how or especially why you believe that Zelensky is a Nazi as well as a Jew.
 
The problem is supporters of the North Atlantic Terrorist Organisation cannot reconcile with the fact Zionists were making deals with the West about 80 years ago, not in the 16th Century.

The real problem however is the defenders of NATO cannot think beyond ZMSM - they just do not have the capacity to form their own opinions or research.
 
Junaids said:
Not only have I read it, but I watched Al Pacino perform it on Broadway in 2010.

The problem is, there are people on this thread who still believe the primitive bigoted nonsense that was acceptable in the 16th century.

That’s how grown men can accuse Ukraine of being Nazi Zionists, with no shame or embarrassment about calling the descendants of people murdered by the Nazis, well, Nazis.
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Its historical fact. Its even mentioned in the bible, its their modus operandi . You claim to be a PHD but it baffles me you are clueless on basics of history, geopolitics and sometimes struggle to read a simple sentence. Please read clearly so you can debate better. I appreciate your replies, otherwise where is the fun. :wg

Ukrainians have many Nazis, a fact even BBC, Channel 4 made programmes on this ..of course before the military operation. Zelinsky is a Zionist, he visited Israel and made his pledge. Ukraine was historically once a Khazar empire, European Jews. These are all facts which you must accept.
 
the Great Khan said:
I'm sorry but how dare you come here and try to whitewash your colonial enterprise. You turned our home countries into poverty stricken dung holes and have the gall to come on here and tell us it was for our own good? No wonder there are posters on here who at best think you are hypocrites at worse card carrying racists.

I am no fan of Putin. But he is your monster. He is simply following your play book.

And don't give me this "oh we wanted to help the iraqi and afghan people" nonsense. You were there for your own Imperial ambitions. Stop treating us like stupid ignorant savages who don't really understand the West. We know you better than you know yourselves. When you have been ruled by people who still haven't learnt to clean themselves properly then you get a very intimate perspective on who they really are..

Next you two will be telling us what a great man Clive of India was because he liberated us and helped pave the way for roads and Infrastructure. By the way did your dad build the grand trunk road?

You make and break the rules when they fit you. One day saddam is your ally because he is killing fanatical Iranians. Next minute he is a despot. One minute Putin is your friend when he is killing Chechens but then he is your enemy when he invades Ukraine. One minute you support democracy but then quietly rejoice when Sisi kills hundreds and murders a democratically elected PM. One minute Pakistan is a bulwark but on the sly you provide our mortal enemy with weapons so it can kill our people..then you support the murder of our people in karachi by supporting altaf hussein and his killers. (And make people like me homeless).

And you claim we are the hypocrites? We are consistent on our support for what is right and clear. Putins invasion is wrong. On every level. But Afghanistan was wrong too. So was Iraq. At least many of us say all these are wrong. But you guys think Afghanistan was right..why? You killed hundreds of thousands for what? Trying to forment disaster in Pakistan China and central Asia..

The British Raj was a disaster for us. A catastrophe..and it wasn't just one bloody famine..there were countless famines all man made by the British. And before that there were hardly any. A nation that had a 27% share kn the global manufacturing out put went to 3%. So don't go around telling us you came to save us from the maharajahs..I would rather die in my village on my two feet free and owning my land and not having to move because the white man decides I need to pay exorbitant taxes. Shame on you.
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I completely agree with every aspect of your post, aside from one small detail.

You consider Putin’s invasion to be wrong on every level. Along with the Western imperialist and colonial projects in British India, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, being wrong on every level as well. I absolutely agree with you.

But you also imply that there is no support for Putin, no support for Russia. In this thread as a whole, that’s clearly not what is happening.

From what I can see, there is a fair amount of support in this thread for Russia. For their invasion, or “special military operation”, or whichever nonsense sweetened title that the Russian government are furnishing their aggressive invasion with this week.

And, by extension, there is then support in this thread for Putin as well.

Let’s not pretend otherwise on that fact.
 
This thread is to discuss stories related to the Ukraine war - religion, zionism etc. are topics for other threads
 
James said:
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And, by extension, there is then support in this thread for Putin as well.

Let’s not pretend otherwise on that fact.
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There’s plenty of it. At least one poster appears to be repeating the Kremlin line verbatim - a full on stream of state propaganda.
 
UK says Crimea blasts have ‘degraded’ Russia’s Black Sea aviation fleet

Blasts this week at the Russian-operated Saky military airfield in the annexed Crimean Peninsula led to the loss of eight Russian combat jets, the United Kingdom’s defence ministry has said.

“The loss of eight combat jets represents a minor proportion of the overall fleet of aircraft Russia has available to support the war. However, Saky was primarily used as a base for the aircraft of the Russian Navy’s Black Sea Fleet,” the ministry said in its latest daily intelligence update.

“The fleet’s naval aviation capability is now significantly degraded,” it added, noting that while the base’s airfield probably remained operational, its dispersal area was believed to have suffered serious damage.

The explosions, which Russia has said killed one and injured five, will “likely prompt the Russian military to revise its threat perception” in the region, the ministry said.

Al Jazeera
 
Technics 1210 said:
I'm still waiting on the explanation on how NATO is a defensive alliance given how it allowed Muslim genocide in Bosnia, and parked nukes in Turkey to antagonise Russia which lead to the Cuban missile crisis, waged war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria.

Remarkable, none of this stuff is taught at schools in the Western world. Propaganda at it finest.

And to think students end up in debt and brainwashed. Ouch.
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But when they did do something about it in Kosovo you list it as part of the 'NATO agression' and one of its wars.

You are now also openly supporting a country who backed Serbia, backs Assad in his slaughtering of Muslims and back a man who raised a Muslim city down to the ground in his own country, and is now using Muslim Russians as cannon fodder whilst not using ethnic Russians.

It's all down to a hatred of all things 'western' and you're blatant racism to anything you perceive to be Jewish.

So the question is why if you hate all things 'western', why do you live in the 'West'?
 
KingKhanWC said:
It seems we are in a potential dangerous moment in this conflict.

Nato is losing the proxy war very very badly. In desperation Nato is using its proxies in Ukraine to target nuclear plants to blame this on Russians. Why the heck would Russia bomb a plant they are guarding? The idiots who believe this really need to headbutt a wall.

Russia needs to guard these nuclear plants very strictly . If possible shut them fully down but its not that easy.

Or Russia should start sending its missiles into chicken Kyiv if they attempt another such attack.
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Not sure people do believe that. What's making it ridiculous is Russia using it as a base to attack Ukraine, which in turn causes a retaliation.

The world needs to pressure both sides and demand Nuclear plants are turned over to UN peacekeeprs
 
bones said:
The Russians are no longer safe in Crimea? So are we to assume the Ukranians are safe in Kiev, Lviv, Odessa etc?
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Well Kyiv hasn't been hot since June and Lviv since about April.

So they probably do feel safe, looks like Russia has lost that ability
 
Technics 1210 said:
It was too late by then, you'd think NATO members would have learned from the Holocaust.
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NATO can't forsee the future. They bombed and sent in a peace keeping force in 1995 after a massacre.

It was repeated later when the Kosovans were being massacred.

You can't have it both ways.

The sad thing is the country that could have possibly stopped it is the same country you are championing now
 
cpleigh said:
NATO can't forsee the future. They bombed and sent in a peace keeping force in 1995 after a massacre.

It was repeated later when the Kosovans were being massacred.

You can't have it both ways.

The sad thing is the country that could have possibly stopped it is the same country you are championing now
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Precisely. Serbia was and is a Russian puppet state, and Russia let them massacre Bosnian and Kosovar Muslims.
 
cpleigh said:
NATO can't forsee the future. They bombed and sent in a peace keeping force in 1995 after a massacre.

It was repeated later when the Kosovans were being massacred.

You can't have it both ways.

The sad thing is the country that could have possibly stopped it is the same country you are championing now
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Europeans dread another war on their soil given the 1914-18 and 1939-45 cataclysms.

Most individual governments will not seek war. They saw the genocide in Kosovo, and individual governments thought about it, debated it in their parliaments, of after another decided to act, then their representatives met up at the NATO conference and instructed NATO Command to act.

A lot of people don't seem to get this. NATO is not a government and cannot act unless its member states all agree to act.
 
cpleigh said:
NATO can't forsee the future. now
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It was happening on their doorstep. Funny how NATO predicted Russia would invade Ukraine? LOL!

Maybe NATO intelligence failed, or maybe, just maybe, the JC alliance had other ideas against innocent Muslims. Yeah, I would go with the latter, given the wars in the ME too.

Oh but NATO apologists do not have a problem with innocent Muslims dying, but the moment Israel/Zionism is mention, cries of racism can be heard from apologists.

And old pony trick which people are getting wiser to.

NATO is truly a racist terrorist organization.
 
Junaids said:
Precisely. Serbia was and is a Russian puppet state, and Russia let them massacre Bosnian and Kosovar Muslims.
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Russia was barely feeding her own people at the time. Her military capability had seriously degraded since the Cold War. Conventionally, it is still not up to much as we are seeing in Ukraine.
 
Ukrop fascist blogger Ivan Zaliznyak who at the beginning of the SMO called the mothers of dead Russian soldiers and laughed in their faces at the death of their sons is now crying himself on his social networks. His brother was liquidated.

Karma is a bitchh :ua
 
Robert said:
Russia was barely feeding her own people at the time. Her military capability had seriously degraded since the Cold War. Conventionally, it is still not up to much as we are seeing in Ukraine.
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Strange... at the same time Russia was destroying grozny and killing Muslims...
Something technics won't admit, and then blames NATO for protecting Muslims at the same time.
 
cpleigh said:
Strange... at the same time Russia was destroying grozny and killing Muslims...
Something technics won't admit, and then blames NATO for protecting Muslims at the same time.
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There were the two Chechen wars but they were against a surrounded militia with AK47s, not a mechanised army supported by RAF and USAF listening planes and supplied by two dozen Western nations.
 
You got to laugh, we now have comparisons between NATO and Russia

Russia doesn't pretend to be a defensive and protective force like NATO pretends to be, yet the truth is NATO isn't a defence alliance, it's an agressive alliance that allows mass genocide on it's doorstep, and wages illegal wars in the ME. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.

JC alliance. Keep this in mind and NATO's objectives become crystal clear.
 
Ah.... so you admit Russia is an aggressive force? Glad that was cleared up.

Allows mass genocide? TWICE nato did something.. TWICE. Whilst Russia allowed Serbia to do it, and is now once again stirring up racial hatred in the balkans.

You complain NATO was involved in Iraq etc, what about RUSSIA in Mali? Is that fair game?
 
cpleigh said:
Not sure people do believe that. What's making it ridiculous is Russia using it as a base to attack Ukraine, which in turn causes a retaliation.

The world needs to pressure both sides and demand Nuclear plants are turned over to UN peacekeeprs
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lol.

Russia is securing the plant, it would be idiotic for them to want Ukranians to attack them and the plant they are securing.

The Nazis are desperate ,as they are getting a big hiding so in desperation are attacking nuclear sites now. I wrote this would happen weeks ago.

Instead of condemning an attacks on a nuclear plant , you come out with this excuse? :wg
 
Junaids said:
There have always been Ashkenazi European Jews and Sephardi Arab Jews.

Again, you are trying to delegitimise the Jewish people and their right to exist in Israel. I’m not saying that the Palestinians don’t also have the right to live in Palestine, because they obviously do too.

We have two groups for whom it is their national home. But you don’t seem to be able to articulate how or especially why you believe that Zelensky is a Nazi as well as a Jew.
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What is this right? Please do explain as your logic will be used to help you understand the current conflict too.

You can be both. Many Jews were Nazis under Hitler. Schoolchildren are privy to this basic history, why arent you? Thousands of Jews served under Hitler inc a General.
 
UBS: UK Gas Crisis Set To Plunge British Pound To Historic Lows

The British pound is expected to plunge to a historically low level versus the U.S. dollar in the fourth quarter of this year, when the energy and gas crisis in the UK will worsen, according to strategists at the private banking unit of UBS Group.

"We expect GBP/USD to come under pressure this year," Thomas Flury, head of currency research at UBS Wealth Management, and Dean Turner, UK economist at UBS Private Banking, wrote in a note carried by Bloomberg.

"The euro zone and the UK are both likely to suffer energy supply shortages this winter," the strategists said.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...To-Plunge-British-Pound-To-Historic-Lows.html
 
Technics 1210 said:
I didn't admit anything, you are insinuating.

What ever helps your arguments, cos you sure need help.
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Well you have said they arent a defensive force, and have just invaded another country... by your logic it wasn't for defense as they aren't a defensive force.

That leaves one option
 
KingKhanWC said:
lol.

Russia is securing the plant, it would be idiotic for them to want Ukranians to attack them and the plant they are securing.

The Nazis are desperate ,as they are getting a big hiding so in desperation are attacking nuclear sites now. I wrote this would happen weeks ago.

Instead of condemning an attacks on a nuclear plant , you come out with this excuse? :wg
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Russia has had the plant for ages. They are using it as a military base. They are using it to fire from knowing its unlikely to be attacked back.

You keep stating a big hiding.... the evidence suggests not.

Kyiv not hit in months, odessa since July. And since then crimea hit... kherson getting pounded, christ even donestk is coming under fire now.

Please explain how that means Ukraine are getting a hiding?
 
cpleigh said:
Well you have said they arent a defensive force, and have just invaded another country... by your logic it wasn't for defense as they aren't a defensive force.

That leaves one option
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Insinuation. Point being Russia doesn't lie, NATO does.

I understand you have no defence for NATO allowing the genocide of Muslims in Bosnia, and I also understand it too places in the 90s before your time, but I have to say, this is a sad sad moment for all NATO apologists.
 
cpleigh said:
Russia has had the plant for ages. They are using it as a military base. They are using it to fire from knowing its unlikely to be attacked back.

You keep stating a big hiding.... the evidence suggests not.

Kyiv not hit in months, odessa since July. And since then crimea hit... kherson getting pounded, christ even donestk is coming under fire now.

Please explain how that means Ukraine are getting a hiding?
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Hiding is an English term which means they are losing / being hurt pretty bad. Ukranians have failed to take back a single important stategic area. Most of their army has either been sent to hell or deserted. See the posts in the thread instead of watching BBC all day long.

Russia wants Ukranians to attack a nuclear base, they are protecting. :))) Gold , this comment should be a sticky.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Insinuation. Point being Russia doesn't lie, NATO does.

I understand you have no defence for NATO allowing the genocide of Muslims in Bosnia, and I also understand it too places in the 90s before your time, but I have to say, this is a sad sad moment for all NATO apologists.
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Russia doesn't lie? Hmm

Feb 21st... "we have no plans to invade ukraine"
 
KingKhanWC said:
Hiding is an English term which means they are losing / being hurt pretty bad. Ukranians have failed to take back a single important stategic area. Most of their army has either been sent to hell or deserted. See the posts in the thread instead of watching BBC all day long.

Russia wants Ukranians to attack a nuclear base, they are protecting. :))) Gold , this comment should be a sticky.
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Hiding has 2 meanings...

Hiding- to conceal themselves
 
Egyptian Port Serves As New Route For Russian Oil

"Russia appears to have discovered a new gateway for its crude, with Bloomberg reporting that Moscow has for the first time ever used Egypt’s El Hamra oil terminal on its Mediterranean coast.

The first shipment took place on July 24, with 700,000 barrels of oil offloaded before another vessel collected a consignment from the port just a few hours later. According to vessel-tracking data by Bloomberg, there are speculations that the consignments may have included some or all of Russian crude and/or oil products.

Experts say the highly unusual move makes the cargo’s ultimate destination much harder to track, adding to a trend whereby Russian oil shipments are becoming increasingly obscured since European and western buyers began to shun them following the nation’s invasion of Ukraine."

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...Port-Serves-As-New-Route-For-Russian-Oil.html
 
Technics 1210 said:
Plans can change within 72 hrs.

2001 - Iraq has WMDs - Lie. Still no WMDs after 20 years.

What's your point?
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The point is.... you are a putin bot.

In fact... worse. Absolute hypocrite. I asked u a question earlier... if u hate all things western... why live here?

You didn't answer did you? You hide behind a pc and spout your hatred of all things western whilst enjoying all the benefits.

Embarrassing
 
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KingKhanWC said:
Not in the context of combat, which is the discussion not illegal immigration , do keep up.

Do you now want British soldiers sent to help them? If not , why not?
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Completely wrong. I'm English you are not. Don't tell me or try to tell me about the English language.

What have British soldiers got to do with anything? Nothing.

This thread is getting more and more desperate from the putin fan boys.

Bones daily updates about the Russian army have finished.... you and you're fan boys have nothing left apart from 'nukes' or nato are worse.

It would be laughable if it wasn't for innocent people dying.
 
cpleigh said:
Completely wrong. I'm English you are not. Don't tell me or try to tell me about the English language.

What have British soldiers got to do with anything? Nothing.

This thread is getting more and more desperate from the putin fan boys.

Bones daily updates about the Russian army have finished.... you and you're fan boys have nothing left apart from 'nukes' or nato are worse.

It would be laughable if it wasn't for innocent people dying.
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lol I live in England too always have . A very apt statement from a supporter of the Azov Ukrainian forces . Your English should have helped you understand the context related to the thread . Ukrainians have hardly won a single battle , took a hiding .

I’m asking you why don’t the Brits send in dads army to help the Ukrainians? Why aren’t you calling for this ? You claim Russia is weak , so what is the issue ? Or chickens 🐔

14.000 civilians were killed from 2014 by Ukrainians in the east but you couldn’t find Ukraine on the map then . All of a sudden you care for lives because the English told you too ? lol
 
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lol I live in England too always have . A very apt statement from a supporter of the Azov Ukrainian forces . Your English should have helped you understand the context related to the thread . Ukrainians have hardly won a single battle , took a hiding .

I’m asking you why don’t the Brits send in dads army to help the Ukrainians? Why aren’t you calling for this ? You claim Russia is weak , so what is the issue ? Or chickens 🐔

14.000 civilians were killed from 2014 by Ukrainians in the east but you couldn’t find Ukraine on the map then . All of a sudden you care for lives because the English told you too ? lol
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Absolutely all.over the place aren't you? Hiding means hiding.... you know that if you are English. But you choose to think it means a beating... the secondary context in the language.

So if you are English... you know that and have purposely lied to help your point. Stupid really.

Russia has become weaker, I mean.... how haven't they? 14,000? Really? Prove that... really? Give me one reputable source on that. I'm not denying innocent people have died... ot Ukraine are saints.

But this could havr been sorted through diplomacy. You mention 2014 .. is that the year RUSSIA invaded??
 
Oh and hardly won a battle.... they won kyiv and kharkiv... the 2 biggest cities in Ukraine.

More rubbish
 
cpleigh said:
The point is.... you are a putin bot.

In fact... worse. Absolute hypocrite. I asked u a question earlier... if u hate all things western... why live here?

You didn't answer did you? You hide behind a pc and spout your hatred of all things western whilst enjoying all the benefits.

Embarrassing
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:)))

Is that all you got?

The only hypocrite here are Western governments, and clearly you don't like it when shown the mirror.

You didn't answer any questions, and frankly speaking you have revealed your true intentions and lack of understanding.

I am staying right put in the UK, and will criticise Western foreign policy whenever I feel like it, and if you don't like the criticism cos the truth hurts, then learn to ignore it, something NATO is pretty good at!
 
cpleigh said:
Oh and hardly won a battle.... they won kyiv and kharkiv... the 2 biggest cities in Ukraine.

More rubbish
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There was no battle for Kyiv. It was was a strategic move to fix units in place whilst they established supply and communication lines in the south. A 40 mile convoy sat outside Kyiv for 3 weeks and the Ukrainians could not come close to touching it. It showed who had air dominance. This convoy like others withdrew after phase one.

The Russians will take Kharkiv once the Donbas cauldron is finished. They have no interest in Kyiv if they did they would have mobilised because they don’t have enough soldiers to fight such a huge frontline.

Despite having a 3:1 manpower advantage they can’t do anything. Read below to understand why fighting on is futile for the Ukrainians and the west.

https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare/
 
Russia can't mobilise unless Putin declares a war. You know that.

You really are deluded if you think that convoy was for show, Christ captured Russian tanks had victory uniforms for the Kyiv parade in them
 
Technics 1210 said:
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Is that all you got?

The only hypocrite here are Western governments, and clearly you don't like it when shown the mirror.

You didn't answer any questions, and frankly speaking you have revealed your true intentions and lack of understanding.

I am staying right put in the UK, and will criticise Western foreign policy whenever I feel like it, and if you don't like the criticism cos the truth hurts, then learn to ignore it, something NATO is pretty good at!
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Ah the benefit of living in a 'western' democracy...

where as the country you are in love with would lock you up for 15 years.
 
cpleigh said:
Russia can't mobilise unless Putin declares a war. You know that.

You really are deluded if you think that convoy was for show, Christ captured Russian tanks had victory uniforms for the Kyiv parade in them
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Exactly. If he declares war They can conquer more territory more quickly.

The delusion is on your part because you seem to think the Russians were planning to conquer Kyiv with 40k soldiers. In WW2 Germany needed 460k to take Kyiv.

Funny how you ignored the article I shared written by the British RUSI organisation.
 
cpleigh said:
Ah the benefit of living in a 'western' democracy...

where as the country you are in love with would lock you up for 15 years.
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Have you ever been to Russia? Do you have first experience of life there?
 
bones said:
Exactly. If he declares war They can conquer more territory more quickly.

The delusion is on your part because you seem to think the Russians were planning to conquer Kyiv with 40k soldiers. In WW2 Germany needed 460k to take Kyiv.

Funny how you ignored the article I shared written by the British RUSI organisation.
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Russia thought it would be quick, easy and Ukranians would welcome them.
 
cpleigh said:
Russia thought it would be quick, easy and Ukranians would welcome them.
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The evidence suggests otherwise. Read the article I shared by the British RUSI. It clearly explains why the Russians were prepared for a long military conflict.
 
bones said:
So no, you haven’t been to Russia and you haven’t a clue about life there.
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why would i need to go to Russia? I don't need to go to Saudi Arabia to know i can't have a beer there.

You can be put in jail in Russia for calling it a war. You can't argue that
 
cpleigh said:
Ah the benefit of living in a 'western' democracy...

where as the country you are in love with would lock you up for 15 years.
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Wrong. You can criticise the government in many countries outside of the west.

The difference is, the majority of the wars are carried out by the west, so naturally the west will receive more criticism.

Don't like it? Stop waging wars.
 
Europe's Energy Crisis Spills Over Into Food

"Excessively high energy prices in Europe are pushing up the prices of everything that energy is used for, including food—a trend that will likely feed further inflation.

In a report on the topic, Bloomberg noted that the inflation in the UK is seen topping 13 percent this year, with a third of households having to spend over 10 percent of their income on energy.

In continental Europe, things are not much different as gas prices break record after record.

“Whether it’s roasting coffee or making sugar from beets, companies are so far only talking about the increase in raw materials,” Kona Haque, head of research for commodities firm ED&F Man, told Bloomberg. “I think the worst is still to come as energy prices rise. This winter will be a game changer and processing costs will likely go up.”

“We are now beyond the limits of affordability for many industrial users, and we might see recession alarms going off soon,” Rystad Energy senior analyst Kaushal Ramesh told the FT

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Europes-Energy-Crisis-Spills-Over-Into-Food.html
 
Germany’s Economy Faces A €260 Billion Blow As Energy Crunch Persists

"Germany’s economy will lose over £220bn (€260bn) in added value by the end of the decade, following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and skyrocketing energy prices – revealing negative effects on the country’s labor market.

According to a study from the Institute of Employment Research (IAB), Germany’s price-adjusted gross domestic product will be 1.7 percent lower next year in comparison with expectations of a peaceful Europe,

The study revealed there will be about 240,000 fewer people employed across the country, with no increase in employment levels until at least 2026.

According to the IAB, if energy prices, which have so far spiked 160 percent, were to double again, Germany’s 2023 economic output would be almost four percent lower than it would have been without the war

This would mean 660,000 fewer people would be employed after three years and still 60,000 fewer in 2030."

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-...0-Billion-Blow-As-Energy-Crunch-Persists.html
 
Technics 1210 said:
Wrong. You can criticise the government in many countries outside of the west.
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Would like to see proof of this: pack up your bags and shift to a country dear to your heart - Eleven Jinping land. Let's see if you can access PP from there to post about China's foreign and domestic policy, or if you will be sold as meat in a wet market somewhere.
 
A call has been made to demilitarise the area around a Ukrainian nuclear plant to avoid "irreparable consequences".

The western city of Nikopol has undergone daily bombardment for most of the past week, with people killed and buildings destroyed.

The area lies across the Dnieper River from Europe's largest nuclear power plant, and both Russia and Ukrainian officials have for days accused each other of shelling it in contravention of nuclear safety rules.

Russian troops have occupied the Zaporizhzhia plant since the early days of Moscow's invasion, although the facility's pre-war Ukrainian nuclear workers continue to run it.

Ukrainian military intelligence alleged on Saturday, shelling by Russian troops had damaged a pumping station and a fire station at the compound.

And Anton Gerashchenko, an advisor to the Internal Affairs ministry of Ukraine, tweeted that people were fleeing the area and showed video of what appeared to be an explosion.

Sky News could not geolocate the video.
 
According to our resident experts here like cpleigh, Junaids and Robert, things are not rosey for Russia. Things are much much worse for Europe. This affects me and my loved ones too so I write this with any joy, but rather I ask what were our stupid leader's thinking? Europe went ahead with these sanctions full steam. They told the masses like cpleigh, junaids and Robert that these sanctions would cripple Russia. They were supposed to be "shock and awe" and bring an almost immediate halt to the conflict.

Well the situation right now is this. Russia are winning militarily and winning big. They are winning politically because Putin's popularity inside Russia has never been so high and Lavrov is being welcomed like a long lost brother in Africa. They are also winning economically. Russia are making more money on fuel sales than before the war!!!

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/e...ts-and-germanys-rhine-running-dry-11660140669
 
bones said:
According to our resident experts here like cpleigh, Junaids and Robert, things are not rosey for Russia. Things are much much worse for Europe. This affects me and my loved ones too so I write this with any joy, but rather I ask what were our stupid leader's thinking? Europe went ahead with these sanctions full steam. They told the masses like cpleigh, junaids and Robert that these sanctions would cripple Russia. They were supposed to be "shock and awe" and bring an almost immediate halt to the conflict.

Well the situation right now is this. Russia are winning militarily and winning big. They are winning politically because Putin's popularity inside Russia has never been so high and Lavrov is being welcomed like a long lost brother in Africa. They are also winning economically. Russia are making more money on fuel sales than before the war!!!

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/e...ts-and-germanys-rhine-running-dry-11660140669
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I hardly think I am “the masses”. I thought that hitting the oligarchs was a good strategy because they are holding Putin’s money for him. But he appears to have built up a significant war chest. Being a good liberal, and trained as a scientist, my mind changes when the evidence does. I don’t remain wedded to dogmatic ideas.

Clearly Tsar Putin (not Russia, and this distinction is important) is not winning the war. It looks like stalemate. He can’t win as USA, EU and UK have 25 times Russia’s GDP and will keep pouring weapons in to Ukraine.

All Putin has done is kill a lot of people while accelerating the polarisation of the world into liberalism vs authoritarianism, strengthening NATO and entrenching his opposition, which will outlast him because it is an ongoing democratic system and he is one man in his failing years.
 
Robert said:
I hardly think I am “the masses”. I thought that hitting the oligarchs was a good strategy because they are holding Putin’s money for him. But he appears to have built up a significant war chest. Being a good liberal, and trained as a scientist, my mind changes when the evidence does. I don’t remain wedded to dogmatic ideas.

Clearly Tsar Putin (not Russia, and this distinction is important) is not winning the war. It looks like stalemate. He can’t win as USA, EU and UK have 25 times Russia’s GDP and will keep pouring weapons in to Ukraine.

All Putin has done is kill a lot of people while accelerating the polarisation of the world into liberalism vs authoritarianism, strengthening NATO and entrenching his opposition, which will outlast him because it is an ongoing democratic system and he is one man in his failing years.
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This war is not a stalemate. The Russians continue to kill huge numbers of the Ukranian forces, more and more mobilised units are being killed through artillery bombardment which according to a recent French journalist on the frontline around Pisky was done round the clock non-stop.

Remember it took the Russians 6 weeks to break through Popasnaya, but once they did Hirske, Svitlodarsk and Zolote fell within a couple of days and then Lysychanks and Severodonestk too within 2 weeks. The same will happen to the north of Donestk which is another heavily fortified position. By fortified I mean concrete fortifications. If you think I'm being biased, just look at Liveuamap.com which is a very pro Ukranian source. They have Russian attacks all along the frontline from north of Kharkiv down Kherson. In return the Ukrainians are only able to launch missiles to what appears to be ammunition or fuel depos in the Kherson region.

You and fellow posters keep saying the Russian economy is small and they can't win. But they are making more more from fuel sales than before the way. They are not going to freeze or starve this winter. Can you say the same about most of the lower income families in Europe? Russia are proving the economic argument is just horse manure because they are far more self sufficient than anyone gives them credit for. Lavrov was welcomed in Africa with open arms. Africa were not exactly please to see Blinken, again if you think I'm exagerrating just watch the videos online.

Turkey, who are a key member of NATO, the 2nd most important it canbe argued, well they are trading with Russia as normal. They met and "pledged" to strengthen ties and raise bilateral trade.

I keep hearing that apparently Russia is isolated but what is actually being said and done by various countries and leaders does not match.
 
[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION], I did not say Putin is losing the war, I said he will not win. His chance was lost in the first month of invasion when he failed to take Kiev, put Zelenskyy on show trial and change the regime. Now he is bogged down like everyone in WW1.

Now Western powers will continue to resupply Ukraine until Putin dies or is deposed and then there will be a negotiated settlement with his successor.

[The current UK gov’s failure to understand the coming plight of ordinary folk will backfire on them and we will get decent government again for the first time since 2015. Plus an acceleration in adoption of renewable power.]
 
Robert said:
[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION], I did not say Putin is losing the war, I said he will not win. His chance was lost in the first month of invasion when he failed to take Kiev, put Zelenskyy on show trial and change the regime. Now he is bogged down like everyone in WW1.

Now Western powers will continue to resupply Ukraine until Putin dies or is deposed and then there will be a negotiated settlement with his successor.

[The current UK gov’s failure to understand the coming plight of ordinary folk will backfire on them and we will get decent government again for the first time since 2015. Plus an acceleration in adoption of renewable power.]
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You say the western countries will continue to supply Ukraine, there are two things they can supply them with, the first is money and the 2nd is military equipment/intel.

As we hit winter and people are unable to heat their home because of bills doubling, do you think the vast majority will be ok to continue a war which they will not see as their own? I mean we're already seeing signs in Italy and Germany of the public against supplying Ukraine, so how long before these peaceful protests escalate? You seem to think they can continue supplying money endlessly when were in the middle of a recession.

As for the supply of weapons, that won't make any difference because Ukraine need 20 times what they have been given so far. The Russians have hundreds of artillery pieces with an almost endless supply of ammunition and logistical infrastructure in place. The Ukraines won't be able to fight on with just a handful of Himars etc that they don't have enough ammo for and they don't have the logistical infrastructure to support.

The Russians probably did try very hard for a quick surrender, they never had enough forces to capture Kyiv. However the very fact that Russian military production is well underway tells us that they were prepared for a long drawn out war. I mean do you really think the Russians threw all their eggs into a single basket?

As for being bogged down, as I said in my previous post, you don't have a grasp of the ground situation. You have no understanding it is clear, about the fortifications. Above all else you clearly have no idea about what type of a confict this is and why it's going slow. To avoid losses on their side, the Russians are sitting back and utilising their huge advantage in artillery. This does mean it is slow, but what makes you think the Russians are in a hurry?
 
Russia has moved all its leadership out of Kherson...

Wonder why? How are Russia winning? They have literally come to a stalemate in the Donbas, 6 months in and its ground to a halt. I check the map weekly and its not moving.
 
cpleigh said:
Russia has moved all its leadership out of Kherson...

Wonder why? How are Russia winning? They have literally come to a stalemate in the Donbas, 6 months in and its ground to a halt. I check the map weekly and its not moving.
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The source of information for this retreat is the governor of mikolaiv lol. Let's see if we get some credible info.

You keep saying they are stalled but you never once mention the fortifications they have to break through. I mean do you have any actual understanding of what is happening in this conflict other than quoting the Kyiv Independent social media page.
 
bones said:
The source of information for this retreat is the governor of mikolaiv lol. Let's see if we get some credible info.

You keep saying they are stalled but you never once mention the fortifications they have to break through. I mean do you have any actual understanding of what is happening in this conflict other than quoting the Kyiv Independent social media page.
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Fortifications are part of a defense... You go on about my sources... whilst believing pro kremlin sources from Telegram channels. Its the same.

Tell me this.... why have Russia lost the ability to hit Kyiv, Odessa and co? at the same time Ukraine is now pounding Kherson?

Russia is in serious trouble in Kherson now, both bridges struck and un unusable. They are on the verge of being trapped. If they were smart... they'd get put now and defend Crimea
 
Varun said:
Would like to see proof of this: pack up your bags and shift to a country dear to your heart - Eleven Jinping land. Let's see if you can access PP from there to post about China's foreign and domestic policy, or if you will be sold as meat in a wet market somewhere.
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You won't hear a response from him.

As for the conflict the only way Russia can make more gains is declare formal mobilisation of their supposed 1 million army. They won't do that as causalities for those would need to be reported.

Not sure what the current tactics are. Everything is now at a stalemate
 
There's is no reason to believe the Western Pro NATO narrative.

They got it wrong with Western sanctions thinking Russia would be crippled, and they have it wrong with Russia's land grab.

Russia could end this war with the capture of key cities overnight, but remember, once closure is achieved, uncertainty is over, and uncertainty is what keeps the commodity prices high.

Russia will not take over Kiev etc, until it absolutely ensures the EU is toast, we will know more after the ensuing winter impact in Europe.

Get your ration cards ready.
 
cpleigh said:
Fortifications are part of a defense... You go on about my sources... whilst believing pro kremlin sources from Telegram channels. Its the same.

Tell me this.... why have Russia lost the ability to hit Kyiv, Odessa and co? at the same time Ukraine is now pounding Kherson?

Russia is in serious trouble in Kherson now, both bridges struck and un unusable. They are on the verge of being trapped. If they were smart... they'd get put now and defend Crimea
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So let me get this straight, you think he Russians have run out of missiles and other shells but the Ukrainians have enough to do their part?

You say they are in trouble yet the city is still under Russian control.
 
Pakpak said:
Not sure what the current tactics are. Everything is now at a stalemate
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The Russians are in no hurry. Have you got their military plans and their timeliness?

The strategy is clear, it's been clear since April. The sit back and launch an endless barrage of artillery until defensive fortified positions crack. They then sweep the area with infantry and armored support.

This tactic reduces Russian casualties but it also means they will be slow.
 
You have to remember, NATO/WEST have never won a war on their own. Even WW1 and WW2 required the help of the Russians.

This is the first time West and Russia are going head to head, that too via a proxy war.

West has cornered itself, its threat of economic santions are a joke now, and soon Iran will circumvent western sanctions and complete their Nuclear weapon.
 
Technics 1210 said:
You have to remember, NATO/WEST have never won a war on their own. Even WW1 and WW2 required the help of the Russians.

This is the first time West and Russia are going head to head, that too via a proxy war.

West has cornered itself, its threat of economic santions are a joke now, and soon Iran will circumvent western sanctions and complete
their Nuclear weapon.
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West and Russia when to through a proxy war in Afghanistan??? In the 80s??
 
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