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S Jaishankar at RNG Lecture: Not going to see change in Pakistan without holding feet to fire

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External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar Thursday said it was important to “hold feet to the fire” while dealing with Pakistan-sponsored terrorism.

“Who doesn’t want good neighbours,” he said, “The more we run away from the reality that this neighbour has built an industry of terror to pressurise you. There is no point in living in denial. if you live in denial he will only increase it. He thinks that things got normalised. Holding the feet to the fire is very important. Without that you are not going to see change.

Jaishankar made the remarks during a conversation with The Indian Express contributing editor C Raja Mohan at the 4th Ramnath Goenka Memorial Lecture.

Speaking on the government’s move to abrogate Jammu and Kashmir’s special status under Article 370, Foreign Minister S Jaishankar said it was a “matter of ideological debate and liberal fundamentalism at work.”

“My reputation is not decided by a newspaper in New York,” Jaishankar said over criticism of the government’s move by foreign press.

In his lecture on the topic “Beyond the Delhi Dogma: Indian Foreign Policy in a Changing World”, Jaishankar said the 1972 Shimla agreement resulted in a revanchist Islamabad and further problems in Jammu-Kashmir. “That it has taken us so long to link talks with Pakistan to cessation of terrorism speaks for itself,” he said.

He also said “uninformed comments abroad on our internal affairs is hardly internationalization”.

“As we move decisively to combat separatism in Jammu & Kashmir, there is some talk of its internationalization and hyphenation of our ties with Pakistan. This is thinking from the past, reflecting neither the strength of India, the mood of the nation or the determination of the Government,” he said.
Talking about India decision to not sign the RCEP, Jaishankar said “no agreement at this time was better than a bad agreement”.

Talking about India decision to not sign the RCEP, Jaishankar said “no agreement at this time was better than a bad agreement”.

“What we saw in Bangkok was a clear-eyed calculation of the gains and costs of entering a new arrangement. We negotiated till the very end, as indeed we should. Then, knowing what was on offer, we took a call. And it was that no agreement at this time was better than a bad agreement. It is also important to recognize what the RCEP decision is not. It is not about stepping back from the Act East policy, which in any case is deeply rooted in distant and contemporary history. Our cooperation spans so many domains that this one decision does not really undermine the basics.

Even in trade, India already has FTAs with 12 out of the 15 RCEP partners. Nor is there really a connection with our Indo-Pacific approach, as that goes well beyond the RCEP membership. There can be a legitimate debate on the merits of joining RCEP or any other FTA for that matter. Just don’t confuse it for grand strategy,” he said.

On trade issues with the Trump administration in the US, Jaishankar said: “We wouldn’t be alone to run into challenges vis-a-vis the US, adding that “in our case, it is vastly overstated”.

“Normal trading countries will have trade frictions,” he said, adding that “in this country, there is a desire to see a problem and then exaggerate it beyond belief”.

The Ramnath Goenka Memorial Lecture was instituted in 2016 by The Express Group to mark 25 years of the passing of its founder. The first three RNG Memorial Lectures were delivered by Raghuram Rajan, then RBI Governor; Pranab Mukherjee, then President of India; and Justice Ranjan Gogoi, currently the Chief Justice of India, respectively.

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...eed-bold-moves-to-deal-with-pakistan-6120143/
 
If India stops terrorism in Pak and IoK then we'll reciprocate. Until then they can keep on:((:((:((
 
Is he addressing Indian sponsored terrorism in Balochistan and FATA (and in the past, in Karachi)?
 
‘Terrorism by night, trade by day’: S Jaishankar rips into Pakistan

India cannot have a SAARC (South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation) meeting as long as one member state continues to engage in acts of terrorism, External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar said on Wednesday, in a swipe at Pakistan. India will not tolerate a situation where "terrorism happens by night and trade happens by day", he added

"You have not heard very much about SAARC because, in the last few years, there isn't very much to hear about. We have not had meetings because you have a member of SAARC who doesn't conform to all the basic requirements of what a good membership is, and that is today an obstacle reality of SAARC to meet. You know I said we cannot continue with acts of terrorism and say the cooperation will continue to happen nevertheless," Jaishankar said, when asked why there had been no talk about SAARC in recent times, during an interactive session at an event in New Delhi.

"I think there are issues there and it's time to recognise the seriousness of issues and not allow terrorism to happen by night and trade by day. I don't think the country is well served by that," the Minister added.

SAARC is the regional intergovernmental organisation of eight countries of South Asia, including Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

Talking about having good relations with other neighbouring countries but not with Pakistan, Jaishankar said that they can't have a normal relationship because of cross-border terrorism.

"I would say Pakistan obviously is the exception when it comes to the neighbourhood. Again, it needs very little explanation. The fact is that we cannot allow terrorism to be normalised. We cannot allow that to become the basis for getting us into discussions with Pakistan. So I don't think to me, it's a fairly common-sense proposition," Jaishankar said.

"In fact, if anything, I'm still a little perplexed by why we had not arrived at this position earlier. But we have arrived at it now. And the issue really is that until there is a departure from I would say an abrogation of this policy of cross-border terrorism. Clearly, it is not possible to have a normal relationship with that particular neighbour," he added.

On ties with the US, Jaishankar described Prime Minister Narendra Modi's recent visit to Washington as "most productive" prime ministerial visit considering the solid outcome from the trip and that the relations between the two countries have become "exceptionally well".

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Link: https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...h-standoff-khalistan-issue-2399391-2023-06-29
 
If terrorism exists in India, just shows how pathetic their internal security is.

When Mumbai attacks happened, India was caught pantsized as their border patrol, coast guard, everyone got exposed. Their internal security was itself a joke.

To cover the insult of their own countrys lack of security they whine about Pakistan. The moment some lunatic enters Indian waters or borders, its there problem.

India sponsors terrorism in Balochistan, but atleast Pakistan deals with them and has never allowed the Indian back terrorist to do big damage. When RAW was financing MQM, Pakistan destroyed MQM in one night
 
If terrorism exists in India, just shows how pathetic their internal security is.

When Mumbai attacks happened, India was caught pantsized as their border patrol, coast guard, everyone got exposed. Their internal security was itself a joke.

To cover the insult of their own countrys lack of security they whine about Pakistan. The moment some lunatic enters Indian waters or borders, its there problem.

India sponsors terrorism in Balochistan, but atleast Pakistan deals with them and has never allowed the Indian back terrorist to do big damage. When RAW was financing MQM, Pakistan destroyed MQM in one night

According to your logic, the internal security of the USA is also pathetic; hence, 9/11 happened!
 
According to your logic, the internal security of the USA is also pathetic; hence, 9/11 happened!

What about internal security of Europe? Multiple Isis attacks? Or London train bombings?
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By his own admission wants to see India destroyed. Thanks to Modi, the door has been firmly shut on such people.
 
They don't have to and they won't speak to Pakistan. It would be like giving oxygen to something you can kill or something that is killing itself. Pakistan is on path of self destruction and only global realignment can give it some direction. India is focussed on $10 trillion economy in next 7 years. Don't think anyone fully understands the implications of this on region. Pakistan is least of it's concerns.

Plus this is now a standard playbook. Attack them on terrorism and get attacked on minority rights. Nobody cares anymore. All just narratives.
 
According to your logic, the internal security of the USA is also pathetic; hence, 9/11 happened!

Very good astute observation ... but just to add to that ... "therefore Terrorism is entirely the headache of the USA or whichever country that is suffering from it"

You cant make that up even if you tried. This is pretty much along the lines of blaming women if they are raped. Not surprising though.
 
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They don't have to and they won't speak to Pakistan. It would be like giving oxygen to something you can kill or something that is killing itself. Pakistan is on path of self destruction and only global realignment can give it some direction. India is focussed on $10 trillion economy in next 7 years. Don't think anyone fully understands the implications of this on region. Pakistan is least of it's concerns.

Plus this is now a standard playbook. Attack them on terrorism and get attacked on minority rights. Nobody cares anymore. All just narratives.

Why do these people keep talking about Pakistan then? It seems they give them so much importance for a country which really should have been either brought into line co-operatively, or by force.

Instead all we hear is more yip-yip, yap-yap from Indian commentators which merely gives the "terrorist" nation more oxygen and standing than they surely should deserve. Not to mention makes India look impotent to bring any solutions.
 
Why do these people keep talking about Pakistan then? It seems they give them so much importance for a country which really should have been either brought into line co-operatively, or by force.

Instead all we hear is more yip-yip, yap-yap from Indian commentators which merely gives the "terrorist" nation more oxygen and standing than they surely should deserve. Not to mention makes India look impotent to bring any solutions.

The poster you quoted is Pakistani.
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You wouldn’t foreign minister of India to sing praises for Pakistan , especially in this era. This should be usual now. Much like Pakistani politicians slapping the Kashmir sticker to any conversation to do with India.
 
You wouldn’t foreign minister of India to sing praises for Pakistan , especially in this era. This should be usual now. Much like Pakistani politicians slapping the Kashmir sticker to any conversation to do with India.

Pakistan is the smaller nation, you would expect them to talk about Kashmir as that is their cause celebre whether anyone else cares about it or not. I just don't understand why India needs to give so much importance to Pakistan. Especially if they don't have any solutions to the alleged problem. It's like tinpot countries which use war language to unify their population because domestic policy isn't producing enough to celebrate.
 
Classic gaslighting and hypocrisy from Jaishankar. He obviously doesn't mention the plethora of terrorist attacks India has supported in Pakistan. Just ignore him.
 
Pakistan is the smaller nation, you would expect them to talk about Kashmir as that is their cause celebre whether anyone else cares about it or not. I just don't understand why India needs to give so much importance to Pakistan. Especially if they don't have any solutions to the alleged problem. It's like tinpot countries which use war language to unify their population because domestic policy isn't producing enough to celebrate.

When your hero was in power, he probably made 3 tweets on an average every week about Modi/BJP/Hindutva/Nazi ideology, etc. How was that any of Pakistan's concern? What was the need for that?
 
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India cannot have a SAARC (South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation) meeting as long as one member state continues to engage in acts of terrorism, External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar said on Wednesday, in a swipe at Pakistan. India will not tolerate a situation where "terrorism happens by night and trade happens by day", he added

"You have not heard very much about SAARC because, in the last few years, there isn't very much to hear about. We have not had meetings because you have a member of SAARC who doesn't conform to all the basic requirements of what a good membership is, and that is today an obstacle reality of SAARC to meet. You know I said we cannot continue with acts of terrorism and say the cooperation will continue to happen nevertheless," Jaishankar said, when asked why there had been no talk about SAARC in recent times, during an interactive session at an event in New Delhi.

"I think there are issues there and it's time to recognise the seriousness of issues and not allow terrorism to happen by night and trade by day. I don't think the country is well served by that," the Minister added.

SAARC is the regional intergovernmental organisation of eight countries of South Asia, including Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

Talking about having good relations with other neighbouring countries but not with Pakistan, Jaishankar said that they can't have a normal relationship because of cross-border terrorism.

"I would say Pakistan obviously is the exception when it comes to the neighbourhood. Again, it needs very little explanation. The fact is that we cannot allow terrorism to be normalised. We cannot allow that to become the basis for getting us into discussions with Pakistan. So I don't think to me, it's a fairly common-sense proposition," Jaishankar said.

"In fact, if anything, I'm still a little perplexed by why we had not arrived at this position earlier. But we have arrived at it now. And the issue really is that until there is a departure from I would say an abrogation of this policy of cross-border terrorism. Clearly, it is not possible to have a normal relationship with that particular neighbour," he added.

On ties with the US, Jaishankar described Prime Minister Narendra Modi's recent visit to Washington as "most productive" prime ministerial visit considering the solid outcome from the trip and that the relations between the two countries have become "exceptionally well".

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Link: https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...h-standoff-khalistan-issue-2399391-2023-06-29

A good, sound and strong statement by India. The world needs to pressurise Pakistan to stop exporting terror and stop being a rogue nation that is living on handouts from the West. The best way to pressurise Pakistan is to stop aid.

Pakistan has grown so accustomed to 'chanda' that going without a day without asking for money, aid and alms is an impossible task. Wherever Pakistani leaders go, they ask for alms. Shameless! The world needs to get tough with Pakistan.
 
When your hero was in power, he probably made 3 tweets on an average every week about Modi/BJP/Hindutva/Nazi ideology, etc. How was that any of Pakistan's concern? What was the need for that?

The answer is in my post you quoted. Did you actually read it?
 
Pakistan is the smaller nation, you would expect them to talk about Kashmir as that is their cause celebre whether anyone else cares about it or not. I just don't understand why India needs to give so much importance to Pakistan. Especially if they don't have any solutions to the alleged problem. It's like tinpot countries which use war language to unify their population because domestic policy isn't producing enough to celebrate.

India is not giving any importance to Pakistan. India is merely pointing out and exposing Pakistan's role as a terrorist state. One that has brought about death and destruction not only to thousands of innocent Indians but also to Bangaldeshis, Afghans and its own citizens.

That's 'naming and shaming', not 'giving importance'.
 
India is not giving any importance to Pakistan. India is merely pointing out and exposing Pakistan's role as a terrorist state. One that has brought about death and destruction not only to thousands of innocent Indians but also to Bangaldeshis, Afghans and its own citizens.

That's 'naming and shaming', not 'giving importance'.

That's not naming and shaming, it's propaganda. Just because the BJP with it's hindutva ideology wants to portray Pakistan as a terrorist nation, doesn't mean that it is true. The rest of the world is fully engaged with Pakistan, even sending cricket teams on international tours there.

The only terrorism in Pakistan is that inflicted by the fanatical Hindutva govt sitting in power across the border. India might not be hauled over the coals on this because western govts see a big juicy market to exploit there, but it is clearl as day.
 
That's not naming and shaming, it's propaganda. Just because the BJP with it's hindutva ideology wants to portray Pakistan as a terrorist nation, doesn't mean that it is true. The rest of the world is fully engaged with Pakistan, even sending cricket teams on international tours there.

Here are some other examples of "Engagement" :
1. IMF dictating terms to Pakistan on how to run the country by asking what can be subsidized and to increase tax collection.
2. IMF taking many months to agree for a bailout dragging their feet.
3. Multiple US presidents making disparaging remarks about Pakistan and cutting aid.

The only terrorism in Pakistan is that inflicted by the fanatical Hindutva govt sitting in power across the border. India might not be hauled over the coals on this because western govts see a big juicy market to exploit there, but it is clearl as day.

you keep harping about this in multiple threads ... but run away when I ask you how this is working considering many Western countries run a trade deficit with India.
 
Here are some other examples of "Engagement" :
1. IMF dictating terms to Pakistan on how to run the country by asking what can be subsidized and to increase tax collection.
2. IMF taking many months to agree for a bailout dragging their feet.
3. Multiple US presidents making disparaging remarks about Pakistan and cutting aid.



you keep harping about this in multiple threads ... but run away when I ask you how this is working considering many Western countries run a trade deficit with India.

What has any of that got to do with Indian politicians constantly singing songs of terrorism in Pakistan? I was answering a different poster's propaganda about this, and now you are jumping in to take off in another direction altogether.
 
What has any of that got to do with Indian politicians constantly singing songs of terrorism in Pakistan? I was answering a different poster's propaganda about this, and now you are jumping in to take off in another direction altogether.

you tell me .... because you were the one that talked about "engagement" and the usual drivel about how the "West is trying to profit by exploiting India's juicy market".
 
Pakistan was never blacklisted by FATF. They were on the greylist from which they were removed last year.

FYI

The FATF grey list refers to the FATF's practice of publicly identifying countries with strategic Anti- Money Laundering and Countering the Financing of Terrorism (AML/CFT) deficiencies.
 
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